/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Which rx 570 card is the best one to get?

anon i know you wanted to fix the op real bad but that didn't mean recycling the picture too!

I bought arctic silver thermal paste at radio shack, should I bother using it, or buy something else?

>>60113370
>want to stay below 800 euro
>gaming (non aaa titles)
>browsing
>programming
>dual booting linux & wangblows (for gaems)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6LRyTH

GPU will be the rx 560 because I mostly play those "e sport" games, and the psu will be

https://geizhals.de/be-quiet-pure-power-9-cm-400w-atx-2-4-bn266-a1407719.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

(pcpartpicker doesn't know that one). Swapped the msi motherboard for the asrock one, is that a better choice?

>>60113370
Fuck, this dragon is hot

>>60113388
Red Devil if it fits in your case.

>>60113391
Picture is good.

>>60113418
Artic Silver 5? No it's garbage.
Noctua and Cryorig coolers come with far better paste.

>>60113427
PSU? Looks fine otherwise.

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>>60113518

>>60113518
It's sold out on Newegg. How are the Gigabyte and MSI cards?

>>60113587
That's not artic silver, you autist.
Go look at reviews.

>>60113427
IMO get the Seasonic S12II-520W Bronze instead of the BQ 400W Silver.

Seasonic has the best overall quality PSUs on the market, and having 520W means you'll have a solid supply if you want to go up to much stronger GPU in a couple years (which will have no problems pairing with the R5-1600).

Consider if getting faster ram will fit your budget - there's generally a decent performance boost going up from 2133/2400. I'd say 3000mhz is about the sweet spot considering the current limitations with AM4 - most people can't boot with ram set faster than 2933mhz, and the relative performance increase above that is much more marginal anyway.

The rest fine. ASRock Pro4 is a good choice.

>>60113633
hey don't be mean

>>60113625
Gigabyte are loud and hot.
The high end MSI models are good like the Gaming X but not the low end.

>>60113518
>PSU? Looks fine otherwise.
see

https://geizhals.de/be-quiet-pure-power-9-cm-400w-atx-2-4-bn266-a1407719.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

pcpartpicker doesn't know that psu for some reason.

>>60113642
the Seasonics12II bronze is not a semi modular one though. Some anons here recommended me to get a semimodular one.
I considered upping on ram but it'll be too expensive for me in the end, what I'm about to build is an insane upgrade compared to my 7y/o prebuilt pc anyway. 2400mhz will be fine.

I'm about to start buying the parts, is there anything I could do to improve this while not going over £800? I'm only planning on using it for gaming/browsing/movies.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/N4psCy

AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor

MSI B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory

Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive

RX 580

Fractal Design Core 2300 ATX Mid Tower Case

EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply

>>60113750
Enter it manually with custom part.

>>60113776
I'd get the B350M Pro4, Gaming 3, or Prime unless you're certain you need ATX for some unknown and obscure reason.
Is this for 1440p? RX580 is overkill for 1080p.

I'd generally prefer getting just a smaller SSD like 500GB over a HDD. Maybe use the savings dropping down to an RX570 to do that.

>>60113817
>RX580 is overkill for 1080p.
no it's not

What do you think of carbide 540 case?

>>60113649
The only other option besides the MSI Gaming X is the ASUS Strix Gaming OC (just 2 fans instead of the usual 3 though)

>>60113860
Unless you really want to do downsampling, which isn't a terrible idea, it's less good performance for the price.
It's like 3-12% better at 1080p generally for 35-50% more money.

It'll run at a bit higher framerates, and a bit higher settings, but not worth it imo.
But I guess if you really want to downsample 1440p to 1080p for better image quality despite being limited by a crap monitor, that's not a terrible idea and can make it more worth the money.

>>60113881
The RX480 ROG Strix was good.. don't know about the RX570. Look at reviews of the two and decide on that.

>>60113370
>>60113488
Show me porn of that dragon.

looking to upgrade cpu and mobo. i know 1151 is on it's way out, but if i can get a good deal on a decent mobo and 7700k, would it be worth picking up now or waiting for new release

Should I get a CPU cooler for a R5 1600?

>>60114136
Yes you retard. All cpu's need a cooler no matter what

>>60114136
Not unless you expect to crank it up to 4.0 GHz out of the box. The Spire cools up to ~3.8 well enough.

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https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/tNVQ9W

How's this for a build?
I wanted a Taichi but it costs 270€ in Europe, I have no idea why. Even the Asus Crosshair VI Hero is cheaper.

>>60114153
>>60114156
I don't intend to overclock

>>60113972
I haven't seen very good deals, really.
You tend to need at least a $140 board for decent overclocks. Sometimes they're as cheap as $115. Haven't seen any cheaper that aren't only suitable for running the faster RAM and stock clocks as you tend to need 6 real VRM phases just for stock speeds.
Then you need to delid. Even if you do that yourself, and it's only a few bucks for adhesive, it voids the warranty. If you mess it up and kill it, you can't get a refund, so that sure as shit isn't a "good deal". So a delidding service is the best way to go, which puts you at
>$340+$50 for delid for a 4.9GHz 7700k at silicon lottery
You could try your luck.. hope you aren't one of those people that idle at 45-55C and can barely even run it at stock speeds without a delid, then send it off for a delid or try it yourself. Just... that no warranty garbage is stupid and innately poor value.

It's not a bad CPU. Just not good value.

>>60114136
Up to you. Why not use the stock one to start with and then decide if you want to change it?

>>60114176
doesn't matter. heat will kill it. better to spend $25 to prolong your cpu indefinitely

>>60114136
You don't need one, the R5 1600 comes with one and it can handle decent oc (3.6~ 3.7GHz) pretty easily, even more if don't use it at full load
You can get one if you want to be able to safely OC up to 3.9GHz ~ 4GHz easily, but it's completely uneeded if you don't oc

What's a good price for a 1070 at the moment? I feel like that card would hit the sweet spot for me but I don't want to spend too much to get one.

>>60114191
>>60114190
>don't need one
>>60114190
>get cpu
If I do, which one should I get for this build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B2RxQV

Should I get a cooler, or not? I don't know who to believe.

>>60113922
That's the problem, I can't find any reviews for either. I've read good reviews about the Gigabyte Aorus though, which is why I was looking at it. But apparently the Gigabyte cards aren't good so...

>>60114223
The 1600 comes with a bundled cooler, you don't need to buy another one. The other anon is either fucking retarded thinking you're going to use the CPU without a cooler at all or just trolling.

>>60114178
Someone posted this on the other thread and really got me thinking about upgrading my system. With promo and rebate it's only $115

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132855

also jet.com has a promo where you can get 15% off your order up to $30, so $310 for the i7.

Is delid really necessary?

>>60114223
you don't need one if you don't overclock, since the 1600 comes with a stock cooler that's pretty good.

if you want to oc then cryorig h7 or be quiet! pure rock is a good choice.

>>60114258
>>60114252
thanks, i'll ignore the other retard giving bad advice.

Pcpartpicker's projected power draw for a 1600/480 is 310W. If I were to get a 520W PSU, will I be able to OC the CPU without worrying about the PSU not having sufficient wattage?

Ok anons, I have my pcbuild 90% planned and all I need is a GPU recommendation. I am building a micro atx ryzen desktop for travel and I dont know what Graphics Card would be best for the system.

I am concerned about heat management and dissipation because the case I have chosen is fairly small. Would a blower style card be better than fan style for my purposes? And should I lean towards a 470 or a 1060?

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>>60114223
R7 1700, OC'd to 3.7GHz on all EIGHT cores at 1.23v, stress test
It stabilizes at 70°C
This was right after another stress test btw, hence the high starting clocks

>>60114308
Which case?

>>60114324
>hence the high starting clocks
temperatures*

>>60114308
470 lmao

>>60114285
Yup, take into account that the 1600 and 1700 are 65W TDP parts bundled with 95W-rated coolers that can cool up to ~3.7 overclocks so taking those chips up to their absolute highest means they'll draw something like 130W tops so that's an extra 65W to sum. You'll be fine.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H6gcvV
R8 and h8. Keep in mind I'm getting the i7 for 300 and saving 30 on the mb thanks to microcenter. Getting a ryzen 7 would come out to around the same price so I just went with the i7.

>>60114466
Not trying to convince nor cricticize your choice, but if i were in your situation i'd go with a ryzen anyway purely because not having to buy yet another mobo when i want to upgrade

I had an IRL friend review my planned build and commented that a z270 motherboard is kinda odd for just a single GTX1070, why is that?

>>60114466
Personally I mostly game and I would still get an R7 over the i7 if prices are equal considering the improvements over day1 benchmarks. Even if the i7 gets higher FPS on average, it is not in all cases and it is usually by an amount that will not be noticeable outside of benchmarks unless you spend the whole time staring at the FPS counter, and the extra cores/threads will give better headroom overall for multitasking and likely for all tasks going forward.

But really, your build will still be top of the line for a while to come.

>>60114521
He's dumb. You pick a mobo depending on your CPU not your GPU. Ignore him.

>>60114521
he's probably thinking about SLI (multiple graphics cards), which is supported only by z boards afaik.

if you have 'k' version of cpu you should go with z270 to benefit from overclocking. otherwise go b250. also post build

>>60114521
Because he is dumb. If you are buying a K-cpu then you should be getting a Z-series to go with it.

SLI is far from the only benefit to Z270.

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>>60114257
Yeah like I said, sometimes you can get decent enough boards for $115. That's an example. That seems to be the lowest decent boards have been doing.

>Is delid really necessary?
Depends on luck. But most of us pretty much totally stopped recommending them because we'd recommend them, then 2-3 posts a day are people with their 7700k build getting 45-55C idle temps. Even 43C with $120+ AIO for one. That's really bad and it just seems to be getting more and more common.

The problem is, and some Skylakes have this as well, that depending on where/when they were manufactured there are some that had too much adhesive which, in addition to the shitty TIM, has too much of a gap between the die and the IHS which turns them into 200w TDP+ CPUs.

I just don't really get why you wouldn't go a 1600 or 1600X. It's 80-90% as good per core on average, 50% more cores, SMT is better than HT, and better at a lot of other instructions too.
Yeah the per core is a bit behind in gaming, but it's the AM4 platform so you just upgrade to a 3600X or 4600X in 2 or 3 years instead of being stuck with an overpriced Z270 board that you can't upgrade on or buying a new one.

>>60114543
>>60114559
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZNGDNN

Unless he's saying I should get a z170, does that still OC well?

For non-overclockers between those, which one should I pick:
i7 6700,6700k, 7700, 7700k?

What's the best 1080p 60hz IPS BUDGET monitor I can get? Preferably 23-24".

>>60114632
and also with thin to nearly non-existent bezels

>>60114619
7700k would technically get you the best performance because it's already at very high clocks.

Guys im doing video editing and rendering with some gaming on the side.

what cpu should I be looking at?

>>60114655
In case i get the 7700, would the intel cooler box handle it?

>>60114673
ryzen

>>60114673
>video editing and rendering
R Y Z E N
Y
Z
E
N

1700 if you don't mind to OC manually or 1700X if you want OOTB overclock. 1800X is currently not worth it unless heavily discounted.

>>60114676
The 7700 cooler would handle the 7700 yes (though it would be quite hot & quite noisy), but the 7700k is clocked quite a lot higher. 3.6 base vs 4.2 base.
The 7700k is good because it's clocked very high, but the 7700 isn't clocked as high.

>>60114673
R5 1600 / R7 1700

>>60114595
Honestly, swap out the i5 for a 1600 or a 1500X. i5s aren't worth it anymore.

>>60114466
You know Microcenter has deep discounts on the Ryzen parts too, right?
That you're getting the 7700 cheaper at Microcenter is irrelevant there.

But if you insist on going with a 7700k, and overpaying for a GSync monitor that could become irrelevant soon instead of waiting a month to check Vega, the build is solid.

>>60114532
Will overclocking improve for ryzen? I don't think I've seen anything higher than 4.1 and that's with ~1.45 voltages. If 4.0 is the best I can hope for, then I'll get a cheaper cooler. Also, how much worse is 1600x for gaming compared to ryzen 7? If I can save $100 for similar performance than I'll do that.

>>60114676
A few months ago I had to decide between the 7700 and the 7700K and although I don't OC I decided to go with the K because constant 4400mhz all 4 cores and more than anything the intel cooler is SHIT. I read that the 7700's temps would get pretty high with it, so I didn't see a reason to get the 7700 if its cooler was shit since it was the main appeal point (= less expensive).

Get the 7700K or go Ryzen.

>>60114852
http://valid.x86.fr/6fw8x3

amd and amd or intel and nvidia for faster with linux with the iommu pci and windows

>>60114852
Not really, Ryzen's voltage wall is a combination of architecture flaws & not particularly great yields
Maybe we're going to get slightly better oc through bios updates like we've seen before, but nothing really big. Zen+ will most likely improve on that, but that's next year.

>>60114871
>VCore at more than 1.4V
wew lad

>>60114619
If you're not oveclocking, the 1600X is the only CPU you should consider. Or 1800X if you don't care about money.
Their stock clocks are very high plus more cores and not housefires. 7700k gains more from overclocking than the 1600X does and literally the only point of going it is to void your warranty on delid and to clock it near 5GHz.

>>60114676
As long as it's not a mITX case and you don't get super unlucky and it needs delidded, yeah the stock 7700 cooler handles it decently.
A Cryorig C7 or something like that is much better, though.

>>60114595
Doesn't matter how well it OCs.
A 5GHz overclocked 7600k is on average slower than a stock 7700 or a 4GHz overclocked 1500X in most newer games.
Yeah it's fast in some older games, but 300 fps in Lost Planet is meaningless. The 4c/8t CPUs are faster in the more demanding, newer games where it matters.
You have to be dumb to buy i5s. It's a scam.

>>60114917
lol no. You have no clue what you're talking about.
The voltage wall is because they went with the LPP process which is better for servers and notebooks.
They may switch to LPU next year which is less compromising.
For Zen3, they're switching to IBM's 7nm which will certainly clock 10% higher.

>>60114919
http://valid.x86.fr/nmikb9

JUST

What's a good price for a 1070? I feel like that card would hit the sweet spot for me but I don't want to spend too much to get one.

>>60114937
hey don't be mean

>>60114892
IOMMU on Ryzen is a bit iffy at the moment. Even using an ACS patch the host is limited to a PCI-e 2.0 4x GPU. Nvidia cards also seem to require some tinkering to get working properly.

I'd wait for Ryzen to mature a bit and see if the IOMMU is fixed in UEFI or alternatively to go with Intel + AMD if you need to build now. Perhaps with an nVidia GPU for the host.

>>60114175
>Queen
Was a great read up till the midpoint, then it became utter garbage. The ending was rushed and ass as well.

>>60114972
$300.
$325 isn't bad but it's $40-$400 more for fucking Gsync so

>>60114980
sry

>>60114990
IOMMU is purely a motherboard vendor issue.

>>60114998
Sorry to disappoint you but I haven't read it.

>>60114852
Looking at an average of current benchmarks, I would say the 1600x and 1800x are basically within a margin of error of each other for performance in 90% of cases and usually are 5-10% better than the 1600 and 1700 at stock speeds. If you include overclocking, the 1600, 1600x, 1700 and 1800x are become so close when gaming that the 1600 becomes the unquestionable favorite for price/performance.

When comparing the Ryzen vs. i7, Ryzen is faster clock-for-clock, but the i7 is able to hit much higher clocks allow it to take more of a lead. Ryzen at 4ghz is typically a bit faster than stock i7 at 4.2ghz, but i7 at 5ghz is then a bit faster than Ryzen at 4hz for gaming.

I doubt OC with Ryzen is really going improve on this iteration of CPUs. The best that everyone is hoping for is better memory support for 3200mhz+ and better software optimization.

>>60115080
I'm actually relieved to hear that you haven't.

>>60114852
>>60115091
Don't worry so much about clock speeds. 4GHz at that high of IPC is already plenty.

The big benefit with Ryzen is how smooth it is, even if it wasn't also better value.

>>60114338

Silverstone Sugo SG02.

>>60114927
Well I feel like switching to a ryzen after hearing a reason that actually benefits my games and not a reason that it's not inshill, what motherboard would I need to OC a Ryzen 5 1600x?

>>60115015
You think even the two PCI-e 3.0 X8 slots provided by the CPU itself can be divided properly in the future?

If I switch from an i5 to an AMD, do I have to reformat my HDD? I have 2 HDD's and an SSD. would they all need reformatted?

>>60115314
Most B350 ones are good enough, but be aware of the MSI ones except the Tomahawk (and I think Mortar as well, it's the same but mATX) because they seem to have sub-par VRM arrangements.

Go X370 only if you want to reliably go for crazy OCs (>4.0), need to SLI/CF or absolutely require the extra I/O over B350. Otherwise B350 is perfectly fine.

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>Its a seat the CPU day

>>60115314
A cheap $70-$95 board is generally fine.
B350M gaming 3, prime, or pro4 are the top 3.
But the stock clocks on the 1600X are good. You wouldn't need to OC.
If you want to save more money, the 1600 comes with a decent cooler good for 3.7-3.8GHz for most people, but you'd need a better one anyway to hit 4.0-4.1.

And you need to get decent RAM. 3000-3200 is good. There's 2x8GB 3000 on sale for $100 right now
>https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313807&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=IGNEFL042817C&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL042817C-_-EMC-042817-Latest-_-DesktopMemory-_-20313807-S1A5C&ignorebbr=1

>>60115369
Yeah, the MSI GAMING PRO is pretty garbage.

>>60115330
You don't HAVE to but you should do a new install of windows. You should be running on Linux 4.10 kernel or later or Windows10, really.

>>60115329
I don't see why not. Why would the OS care whether the PCIe lanes are from a Chipset or on the CPU itself? I could be ignorant, here.

>>60115330
Nope, W10 should survive the change and data HDDs won't even notice or care, but plan for complete disaster and have backups ready and a OS image on USB/DVD just in case.

>>60115314
>what motherboard would I need to OC a Ryzen 5 1600x?
Among the B350 ones, the Asus Prime B350M-a is pretty nice, i can oc both my R7 1700 to 3.7~3.8GHz and my R9 280 to 1050/1500mhz at the same time on it
No idea about the other ones.

>>60115330
> I have 2 HDD's and an SSD. would they all need reformatted?
No

>If I switch from an i5 to an AMD, do I have to reformat my HDD?
When getting a new motherboard or cpu, regardless of brands, it is always recommended to do a clean windows install because the current one will be using all the software made for the old motherboard and cpu. So you end up with drivers that will try to behave as if you had that specific hardware, as if you had that specific motherboard, as if you had that specific integrated audio, but the actual audio chipset and motherboard will be massively different from it. So you end up with very unstable windows and worse performances because of unfit software, and also bluescreens.
It's wiser to do a clean windows install.

>>60115394
he'll lose w10 activation. and would work worse, needs clean isntall

to keep activation make MS account and link your w10 to it inside OS in activation section

Purpose : CAD, After Effects (not that much) photoshop, streaming, programming
Games I play : xplane11, spaceengine
I know nothing about PC parts should I go with a ryzen 1600 + gtx1060 ?

>>60115390
>All you need is good ram
I already had 2 of 8GB 3000 planned in that build, but is there any benefit of going 4 4GB?

>>60115444
>but is there any benefit of going 4 4GB?
no, it's actually worse

>>60115435
>he'll lose w10 activation
It depends. If it's a W10 key from the free upgrade offer that's linked to your MS account (it does automatically I think) the activation will persist (mine did) even if it came from W7/W8 OEM. No idea about W10 OEM keys or pirated copies.

>>60115437
Yes.

>>60115437
yes
but do a pcpartpicker because there's much more to pc parts than cpu and gpu

>>60115444
>>60115461
>no, it's actually worse
Actually AMD has always used a significantly different memory controller to Intel that benefits from 4 sticks of single rank, or 2 sticks of double rank.
But it's more difficult to run 4 sticks or DR at higher speed.
With Ryzen that's sketchier since the interconnect between the groups of cores is tied to RAM speed. If the thread scheduler is moving threads around a lot, then faster speed is important If not, the DR is better.
Based on some tests so far, 2666 DR seems to be pretty equal to 2933 or 3200 SR. But it depends on application/game.

Whereas, at least for older Intel CPUs like sandy bridge (i haven't seen 2 DIMM vs 4 DIMMs on newer rereleases), 4 DIMMS would always be slower.

It's hard to identify when memory is double rank, though... Sometimes it'll have "SR" or "DR" in the model name. And I believe 16GB sticks are always DR.

>>60115437
If you need Cuda for those programs, get the 1060 yeah.
If they have OpenCL support or don't have Cuda either, then get the RX570 or RX580.

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>got a usb 2.0 extension thing in the mail since my mobo has one only
>decide to do some cable management while I am at it
>turn on pc to see it it works, it does
>cover the sides and such
>boot pc, it wont
>narrow the problem to three things possible things. CPU, CPU cable, or Mobo. Maybe the PSU, but very unlikely based on the symptoms.

Fuck me man. I need to use this shit today for an assignment and now it decides to be fucking retarded. I have no idea which of the three are the problem since it was working literally 10 minutes ago. All I know is that there is a red light next to the CPU port on the Mobo, which according to the manual means CPU isn't ready (even though it was working fine for over a month and 10 minutes ago), and it turns off when I put in the CPU cable in.

But my PC won't turn on either way which is annoying. I tried two CPU cables and both get the same result, so now I am thinking Mobo or CPU (r1700). What the fuck do I do? Is this some glitch i can bypass or did my mobo/cpu just die after being flawless for over a month by pure fucking coincidence?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CTfBd6
My deal hunting PC is almost complete. I just need a graphics card and I will be done. Should I wait for Vega or should I just get a 480/580?

Looking at a sub $800/$900 USD build.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dr8Bd6

Any changes? No plans to overclock, already have a case ready, its the Corsair 400R.

>>60115658
By CPU port do you mean the 4/8-pin extra power connector? What do you mean by trying a different CPU cable? Does the PC show any other signs of life apart from the leds? Do the fans spin or do you hear any beeps?

Maybe something got loose when you reassembled the computer. Start by checking all the connections again. Then you could try unplugging the PSU from the wall and just waiting 30 seconds or so and see if that helps. Lastly you can try completely resetting CMOS.

>>60115662
Vega is two months away at the very worst
Considering we've been hearing a bit about it in the past 2 weeks i'm personally expecting a may release
But getting a 580 right now is still fine, vega is high hand. They're not gonna release a card performing at 580 levels. If you think, for some reason, you need more than a 580, then sure wait

Do those Windows 10 preactivated torrents work, or should just I just pony up and buy a license?

>1 DIMM is slower than 2 DIMM

What about 4 DIMM? Should I do 4x4Gb?

>>60115803
Just use the official ISO (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO) and activate with KMSPico. You could also use it without ever activating it, as the only downsides are the watermark and not being able to customize the desktop.

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>>60115662
Wow, nice deal on that monitor. It's normally $550.
The other deals are a bit meh, though.

>Should I wait for Vega or should I just get a 480/580?
If you get a high end RX580 like the Red Devil GS or the GTR-S, that can drive at least 60fps at 1440p on ultra for most games. Some you'll have to drop down to "very high", or just use the SMAA injector instead of MSAA since SMAA both looks far better and is faster.

If you want to hit that 144fps outside of CSGO and stuff like that... yeah wait for Vega.

>>60115770
I've been expecting May for a while, and not have not changed my expectation. Though seems more like late May now and not the May 1st or 8th I originally hoped.

>>60115683
I'd get the 1600X. That's still under $900. Higher clocks.

You could wait for sale on the PSU since it seems to drop to $50 a lot, but that's just $16 saved.
And check reviews, make sure you're getting a good RX570 for the money. I'd go for Red Devil if possible, but I hear they're sold out.

>>60115803
>Windows 10 preactivated torrents
Sounds like a festival of **actual** chink and russian botnets with a side of rootkits and keyloggers. You can get an OEM license for cheap on play-asia, or cheaper for a grey market key on some subreddits, but those have a history of being revoked by MS periodically due to unfair use of batch licensing. Another option is pirating W7 (you're going to nuke it afterwards) and go to the Microsoft accesibility page to claim a free upgrade to 10 because you use sticky keys or something.

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>>60115709
>By CPU port do you mean the 4/8-pin extra power connector?

Pic related. When I unplug the CPU cable, the led next to it turns red, which according to the manual means the CPU is not ready. That slot shown there is extra by the way, never used it before.

>What do you mean by trying a different CPU cable?

Fully modular PSU. I have two CPU cables and both do the same thing. Only need to use one to make it work like it did before this happened.

>Does the PC show any other signs of life apart from the leds? Do the fans spin or do you hear any beeps?

Nothing. Just the red LED when the CPU cable is not connected. I tried replugging the power button cable as well and still no results.

>Maybe something got loose when you reassembled the computer. Start by checking all the connections again. Then you could try unplugging the PSU from the wall and just waiting 30 seconds or so and see if that helps.

Been doing that the whole time, no result. Different power outlets, reconnecting cables, etc. Still trying though. Shit is annoying, I think nothing died and I doubt it did since they showed no signs or anything. Hoping I get it fixed soon so I get get on this assignment.

>>60115683
Looks good. An R5 1600 would be a decent upgrade while still being in your budget, though you might not see the benefit of it yet.

>>60115803
it does works. Personally on a legit OEM iso activated by kms pico, also works well.

>>60115850
I don't have a computer right now and I kind of need the parts asap. Still I am still pretty happy getting a 1600 for less than 200. If I don't need to hit Ultra but would just settle for high or very high what can the 580 fps hit at 1440p?

>>60115850
>>60115874
I might stick with the 1500X though, that money saved could let me change up the GPU into something more reliable.

Its just for XIVStormblood at this rate which doesn't need much.

Is ryzen 5 1600x and rx 480 good combination for smooth gaming on newest games? I was leaning towards intel i7 but after watching few ryzen videos i decided to with it

>>60115915
Great combo, you can save some money with a 1600 and OC. Saves more money if you don't have a CPU cooler already.

why is there so much Ryzen shilling here?

>>60115931
Because they are great cpus?

>>60115931
>I hate value
Okay.

>>60115931
Great bang for buck and more futureproof than the current intel lineup. Trump won and now the timeline is broken.

>>60115944
>>60115941
>>60115953

value =/= best

>>60115931
Paid shills. I used to do it for AMD for a little while for the FX. Doesn't pay great but that's how they roll. Heard they're paying much more people for Ryzen this year though since their CPUs are sort of alright.

>>60115969
Value certainly means best. Why pay more for less?

>>60115969
Well if you want single threaded performance no matter what the price an i7 is still the best at that. If you are doing anything else besides massive Dwarf Fortress world calculation lets plays than the Ryzen platform is better right now.

>>60115953
>more futureproof
All of the boards have 4 ram slots.
I don't get what the point of so many cores is if you can't even really use them in real work, just benchmarks.

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>>60115984
>alright

>>60116000
Funny how you mention Dwarf Fortress instead of mentioning emulation, which definitely favors Intel over Ryzen.

>>60116003
>real work
That's what incoming Zen-based HEDT SKUs are for.

Is Ryzen 5 1600x a meme or is it legit good cpu?

>>60116012
>R7 1700k 600$ vs. 7700k 300$
How dumb are you?

>>60116034
1600 is just as good and comes with a pretty decent fan

>>60116000
I forgot on the super low end intel is still winning.
>>60116003
How many consumer level applications need more than 64 gigs of ram?
>>60116016
Also true, but not by enough to justify the higher cost of the i7 line to the majority of buyers.

>>60115985
>buying new vehicle
>Can buy new GTR for 100k or get minivan on sale for $40k
>value > performance

Do I need to own an already existing Windows license to be able to install Windows 10 Education?

>>60116068
It's almost as bad as food analogies.

>>60115868
Oh right. Forgot that mobos with 12 extra CPU power pins even existed. If you have a multimeter at hand you could check how the 12V line looks using a spare molex cable with everything else left as is.

The fact that it doesn't even try to spin the fans makes me thing it's either something with the mobo or the PSU. I've seen similar behaviour when using a PSU with a leaky cap (the 12V line was way down upon measurement) and on another occasion with a mobo that was killed due to static discharge. Both the mobo and the PSU were very low end though.

>>60116044
whats difference between 1600 and 1600x

>>60116083
Clocks. Binning.

>>60116083
X has a small prebuilt overclock on a few cores for 'boost' mode. X also doesn't come with a CPU cooler.
If you plan on overclocking than there is no reason to get the X outside of silicon lottery. If you don't have a CPU cooler already you should factor that into the cost of the X version as well.

>>60116103
just so we're clear, 1600 is unlocked and equivalent to the i5-7600k right?

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>>60116003
I'm not sure if this is bait or not, but i will try my best to inform you!
First, futureproofing has nothing to do with ram slots. Every current consumer intel cpu (anything non xeon) is on a dead platform, meaning absolutely no new cpu will be released on their socket. This limit the upgrade path heavily which means that a worth upgrade, you'd have to buy a new motherboard. Meanwhile, the AM4 platform is 2 months old and new cpus on it are planned up to 2020 at the very least.

Tthe intel core architecture is around 10 years old. All the software is already fully optimized for it, there is nothing more that you can get out of it except what there currently is. Meanwhile, the software for Ryzen is currently very immature so we're not actually seeing the full potential of the cpus just yet. We've already had pretty good updates and the agesa massive improvement, another agesa is already planned for may and more will come. More windows update will come to improve performance as it already has been the case, it can and will only get better. Nothing is coming to improve kaby lake beyond what is already is.

Current ryzen cores perform very close to intel ones, but for the same price you actually get more cores and more threads. So you have the same product but with more actual power. Having the additionnal cores to make sure none of them are used to 100% is a good thing, not only because of making sure the cpu is not a bottleneck but also so that you have a big headroom left to run any program you want alongside you cpu heavy ones. There is of course a limit to that, 6 core is the sweetspot and 8 cores is kinda overkill for it, but still great. Anything over isn't really useful unless you're running very very cpu heavy workloads but we're not talking consumer cpus anymore.

These 3 reasons generally make the Intel cpus a less appealing choice than Ryzen ones. Hopefully, cannon lake or coffee lake will change that.

>>60116137
Every Ryzen CPU is unlocked.

>>60116137
1600 is unlocked, people have managed to clock it to 4Ghz so it has some decent headroom if you go overboard on the cooling.

>>60116147
Intel only has Skylake refreshes and dieshrinks up to 2021.

>>60116147
>you'd have to buy a new motherboard
So? People don't buy a new CPU/computer every 2 years, typically it's 5 years, and by then you probably want a new motherboard anyway instead of using an old one that might die at any moment.

>>60116163
whats even the point going that high

ASUS PRIME B350M-A 90MB0TE0-M0EAY0

OR

ASUS PRIME B350-PLUS 90MB0TG0-M0EAY0

which one and why?
please help a niqqa out

>>60115868
Why don't you have the EATX12V_2 plugged in?
Oh. What. That's 12 pins total? Huh.
Does the manual say that the other 4 pin is REQUIRED or is it just extra?

>>60115895
I got my 1600X for $220. It was $205 2 days later but oh well.

If you need it right away, well get an RX580 then. But a good one that can actually hit 1480MHz+ fine to drive that 1440p.

>>60115931
Same reason there is G4560 "shilling" when budgets are limited. Tard. They're generally the only CPUs worth getting for most people.

>>60116205
Meme of beating the i7-7700k single threaded performance with a mid level ryzen card. Some crazy guy managed to get it to 5.9 apparently using liquid nitrogen.

>>60116204
say you buy an i5 and a lga 1151 mobo, which did happen a few time on this general the past month.
Then your upgrade path, in case you suddenly want better performance (say next year), is the following: 7600k, 7700k, nothing else
When you buy a dead platform you most of the time lock yourself out of any upgrade. Sure, you could possibly not need an upgrade in the next 5 years, but you could also need one. What if the cpu die? Either you upgrade both mobo and cpu, or either you buy an old cpu from your old dead socket. What if your mobo die? You have to scout ebay and amazon for hours to find one of your socket that isn't overpriced
Never buy into dead platforms if possible

Is monitor sync master S23B350 compatible for rx 480?

>>60115390
>Yeah, the MSI GAMING PRO is pretty garbage.
good thing i sold my extra one to my friend then.

>>60116281
>in case you suddenly want better performance (say next year)

nobody does this

Is GSynch a meme?

GSynch monitors are stupid expensive. I could get a fucking 1440p monitor for what 1080p gsynch monitors cost.

>>60116034
It's the best CPU if you don't want to overclock, without spending twice as much for an 1800X which is way worse value.

The 1600 is pretty much just as good if you OC, though and comes with cooler.

>>60116092
The binning for the 1600 and 1600X doesn't seem nearly as varied as the 1700 and 1800X. Like maybe 50-100MHz difference if anything.
I've not seen any definitive binning results, though. This is just hearsay.

>>60116137
All Ryzen CPUs are unlocked. You just need a B350, X370, or X300 board for overclocking. A320 is stock only.

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>>60116311
no upgrade path is objectively worse than having uprade path

>>60116239
It is extra. Was working fine without it thus far. Currently in the process of tearing this shit down and trying to fix it.

>>60116211
I'd get the mATX one. I hear good things about it. Plus mATX is just nice and comfy.

>>60116299
ur a shit friend

>>60116312
GSync is garbage. Looks like Nvidia might be forced to support Freesync within a year, at least.

>I could get a fucking 1440p monitor for what 1080p gsynch monitors cost.
Eh there are some 1080p Gsync ones for $160. Or at least ONE at that price. But there are multiple 1080p Freesync at around $115.

>>60116311
No, we seriously used to. But AMD fucked up with Bulldozer, and Intel stagnated after Ivy Bridge.
Lots of us in the 90s and 00s used to upgrade every 2-4 years because you could get a significant upgrade for cheap. 2500k to a 4670k just wasn't a worthwhile upgrade and shit.

For those of us that remember that, the idea that we can get a big performance upgrade year after year, so could upgrade again, is great. I plan to upgrade my 1600X to a 3800X or 4800X when they come. Might wait for DDR5 and decide if I want to switch to DDR5 then or get the last gen cheaper then.

>>60116294
Pls respond

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Ryzen R5 1600X running on 2 cores. Expected or am I missing something ?

>>60116147
you drone on about increased performance, but ryzen is actually a fucking meme cause no drivers (never will be drivers look at the gpus) and its single core performance, arguably the most important thing is in the fucking dumps below i3's

How good is the ASUS STRIX RX 570 4GB as far as 570s go?

>>60116384
they forgot to install the other 4. send it back

>>60116312
kind of, it's not worth the price increase at all but Project:Cars on full settings going 144FPS is fucking beautiful

>>60116378
yes, it is
every monitor is compatible with every gpu. It's all a matter of connectors and supported resolution by the GPU
it has hdmi, so does any rx 480

>>60116384
msconfig > boot > advanced and then unticke number of processors.

>>60116389
>single core performance, arguably the most important thing is in the fucking dumps below i3's
he gets it

AMD shills everywhere

>>60116378
the FUCK does a monitor being compatible even mean? Do you have the right connectors or not? Dumb question.

>>60116384
google it.

>>60116403
idk what do the reviews say compared to other ones?

>>60116445
There are barely any reviews out for any of the RX 570

>>60116420
godspeed anon, it works

>>60116421
1999 called, they wanted to tell you about a hot new chip called the Pentium 4.

>>60116384
dumb question, but why would anyone choose to run 2 rather than all 6. why is this an option

>>60116403
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/ryan-martin/asus-rx-570-strix-gaming-oc-4gb-review/10/
Kitguru did both asus strix & sapphire

I'm having a bit of trouble deciding on a new monitor because of a lack of local places to test out high-end monitors. Is ultrawide/curved actually worth the price premium? Or is this just some fad that will eventually go away? I'm also having a really hard time choosing between IPS/60hz and TN/144hz at 1440p. I really want to upgrade from 1080p, but there doesn't seem to be anything at a reasonable price that has the best of both worlds, or they have hideously bad QC. Why is the monitor market so fucked right now?

>>60116371
thanks, buying the ASUS PRIME B350M-A then

>>60116489
So its a good card to get then?

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scary when this thread suddenly becomes dead quiet

>>60116619
it's not that much of an upgrade compared to the 470, pretty slim. If you can get a 470 for cheaper then go for it. If it's within $7 difference then 570.

>>60116620
gsync is better than freesync on a technolo/g/ical level

Xd

>>60116620
should i upgrade my cpu/mobo or buy a yeti 45 cooler

>>60116656
I'm not talking about the RX 570 as a whole but specifically that RX 570 card because I was told the Gigabyte 570 cards are bad.

SEASONIC 520W FULLY MODULAR
>https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151093&ignorebbr=1
$35 after $20 rebate plus free shipping.

>>60116694
yes, it's fine, asus stepped up their game since the r9 2xx series and finally did a decent cooler for it
msi are still better though and sapphire comes close to it, cooling wise. But it's not worth spending +$10 for one or the other.

just bought a computer case for $3. no clue what it is or what it looks like
was it a good idea?

>>60116773
no

>>60116773
ya good call. good luck.

>>60116770
Most ASUS models still suck. Their ROG Strix is alright, though.

>>60116371
>ur a shit friend
kek. it works fine. just dont need it now that my gigabyte gaming 5 is back

>>60116793
>>60116801
ill keep you guys updated when i get it

buying this and gonna use my existing psu and gpu

did i fuck it up?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BH6zgL

>>60116904
No, looks perfectly fine

>>60116904
Why not spend the $7 more for 2x8GB of 3000MHz RAM? Read the thread, it was mentioned already
Rest looks good.

>>60116939
but that's exactly what he got

>>60116904
>fell for AMD meme

you can get the 1600 for $190 on jet.com right now

>>60116939
because i live in a 3rd world shithole and the price differences are a lot worse for me and it's nothing as small as $7

its literally double the price of the 2x4gb

>>60116955
no i got the 2x4gb

>>60116963
got the cpu for free already but thanks bud

>>60116966
then put in your actual prices or you waste people's time.

>not waiting for 7740K
It's like you people don't want a real CPU.

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>>60117015
anon! no baiting!

>>60116983
I'm not your bud, pal.

>>60116496
curved is not worth it
TN? IPS? All the same shit in the end, they're LED technology

>>60117054
>TN? IPS? All the same shit in the end, they're LED technology
That's just pure bullshit. Every device or monitor with an IPS screen that I own is absolutely superior to anythingTN that I own. You'd have to be blind not to notice the difference.

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>buy B250
>cpu fan connection in upper right hand corner
>stock intel i7 fan can't reach it

Great fucking motherboard here

Hypothetically, what's the best option for building a dedicated Tripcode Explorer machine?

>>60117015
It might not be awful. Maybe the boards won't cost $250+ and the CPU might be cheaper without the useless iGPU.

But I'd still rather have core cores and AM4. There's no way the 7740k is going to be better than a 3600X 2 years from now, and the 1600X is still great now.

>>60117054
>All the same shit in the end, they're LED technology
How can you be that ignorant? It's not difficult to know the difference between TN and IPS panels, and LED backlighting. You could educate yourself on it in under 15 minutes. It's so much easier to figure out than many other technology subjects. There's really no excuse for saying something that stupid.

Is upgrading from a 3570k to a 7700k worth it? I got all the shit in my cart I'm about to buy this shit. I have a 1070 already so I just want a system that's on par with cpu use. Open to part suggestions

>>60117150
It'll reach. You're doing it wrong.

>buying intel though
that was your mistake

>>60117150
have you tried rotating it

>>60117153
$50 celeron with igpu and cheapest everything else

>>60117162
>Is upgrading from a 3570k to a 7700k worth it?
No. Get a 3770k and overclock if your board supports it, or R51600.

>>60117160
They all have a chance of getting dead or stuck pixels in the end. Fuck that lottery, fuck LEDs.

>>60117150
Why the fuck did they put it all the way in the corner? I've never seen a layout like that.

>>60117201
lmao you're so clueless.
LED is just the backlighting. It has nothing to do with pixels.

>>60117188
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vf73kT Well I kinda had this in mind. Just want more performance and to future proof a little

>>60117015
>>60117160
Isn't the 7740K EXACTLY the same as the 7700K but without the iGPU? Just different board? This is completely useless.

>>60117307
>future proof
>by buying a new CPU that's only 10% better than a 5 year old one
Do you really think that makes sense?

>>60117340
Yes. It doesn't even seem to have more PCIe lanes nor cache. Just no iGPU. lol.
So it'll cost Intel half as much to make since the iGPU is half the die, but they'll sell them for at least $300 I bet plus a $200+ motherboard.
Maybe they'll surprise. Maybe $250 and $150 board. I'd still get a 1600/1600X.

>>60117363
The 7700k is only 10% better than the 3570k? I find that hard to believe to be honest.

>>60117396
Maybe 20%. It's merely a sidegrade no matter how you'd look at it.

>>60117031
I'm not your pal, guy.

>>60117396
>The 7700k is only 10% better than the 3570k? I find that hard to believe to be honest.
I said than the 3770k. Please pay attention.

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amd
m
d

I have a new SSD that my computer just doesn't detect at all. I've tried every possible sata slot on my computer. Is it RMA time?

>>60116496
Surprise surprise that you can't have everything awesome AND cheap. Nothing new here.

Productivity:
4K/60hz IPS/VA > 1440p/60hz IPS/VA > 1080p/60hz IPS/VA > 1080p/60hz TN

Gaming:
1440p/144hz+ IPS/VA > 1080p/144hz+ IPS/VA > 1440p/144hz+ TN > 1080p/144hz+ TN > 1080p/60hz IPS/VA > 1080p/60hz TN

IMO 4K is not worth buying for gaming at this point and probably won't really be for a while yet - the quality improvement over 1440p is not worth the massive increase in system requirements to maintain FPS.

Ultrawide/Curved is not really worth it unless you are replacing a multi-monitor setup - just treat these as a multimonitor according to the above tiers.

Pick the highest option in your budget.

what am i in for if i get a noname case? i assume cable management will be one thing, but anything else that i should be aware of?
speaking of cases what the fuck happened to antec?

>>60113370
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Qkrgm8

Already have a HDD - other than that, advice?

>>60117557
>7600k
Why.png

>>60117539
Even 1440P is only worth it if you have a 1080, desu.

The 1070 eeks by at 60fps in most games, but this time next year I imagine most newer titles it won't be able to keep up with and you'll have to move back to 1080p anyway.

>>60113370
>NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk

What did he mean by this?

>>60114486
Looks g8 m8. Only thing I would say is if you haven't consider the 1800x else just make the plunge and enjoy some of the best gayming money can buy.

>>60117557
>i5
>overpaying for meme gaymer ram
>$35 cooler on a piece of shit cpu that isn't worth overcloaking anyway
>Digital Blue

Are you trying to meme me?

>>60117569
Yeah, I can see it's "not worthwile", but why exactly? If I'm opting for Intel in this price/capability range what alternatives do I have?

>>60117612
Then you don't go Intel.

>>60114466
i7 doesn't support 3200 mhz ram.

>>60117612
> If I'm opting for Intel in this price/capability range

Stop.
Intel doesn't do mid or low range well at all. If you can't get the i7, you go Ryzen. Its just the way it is.

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fell for the M.2 SSD meme
sorry senpai =(

Guys how's this for a build mainly going to be used for 3D rendering and video/ photo editing?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Q8rQ9W
(usb for installing os + storing music for my car)

I bought some teamgroup ram, specifically the tforce red 8gb at 2800, to pair with a gaming pro or mortar. Now I'm hearing they're trash. What are alternatives that are pretty much guaranteed to work?

>>60117661
>http://valid.x86.fr/nmikb9
x1000 improvement over sata. Literally no real world effect. Wew lad

>>60117696
6 second boot time is pretty much all I care about

>>60117611
unfortunately, no. Fixed parts of it. Is there a worthwhile (pref. Intel) CPU replacement?

>>60117764
7700k.

>>60117753

Doable on SATA.

Does HDD cache matter a lot? Should I opt for a 64MB over a 32MB one, or is the difference negligible?

MSI B350 TOMAHAWK
or
GIGABYTE GA-AB350-GAMING 3
or
ASRock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4

>>60117863

Which one offers the features you need?

>>60117396
Idk boys think I'm just going to buy the 7700k.

>>60117776
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KMVKgL

fixed...?

>>60117533
Assuming it's only like the 3rd SATA/m.2, then yeah. It could be that you have all PCIe lane filled I think?

>>60117950
Get non-shit memory. Are you going to OC it? Get a better cooler and dont forget about delidding.

>>60117965
No reason to delid it if you don't plan on OCing it to 5ghz. Stop with the misinformation.

t. owner of a 7700K with correct temps.

>>60117907
All pretty much offer the feature sets i'm after. My primary concern is that I intended to order parts this weekend but Gaming 3's are currently sold out on newegg.

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>>60117582
Uhh the RX580 has no trouble with 60FPS at 1440p in the vast, vast, vast majority of games.
The 1070 is better, but not worth the Gsync cost when you can get a good equivalent 1440p 144hz IPS for $100-$300 cheaper.

>>60117696
Yes. Good for synthetics. Absolutely no real world benefit.

>>60117753
Boot time is literally the same.

>>60117950
>212 evo meme
You need to spend at least $80 to cool a 7700k decently. That 212Evo won't cut it at all.
>$1100 of parts with garbage 2133MHz RAM
>$370 for a 1070 and he doesn't even have Gsync

Have you looked at benchmarks or anything? They would help you decide on parts and see what's worth it. Why the fuck would you spend all that money for a $350 CPU and $115 motherboard only to use the cheapest possible RAM on it?

>>60117995
Wrong. A fuckton of people can barely handle stock speeds on expensive coolers without a delid.
>t. owner of a 7700K with correct temps.
You got lucky, retard. They seem to be worse lately as it seems almost everyone getting one, if not everyone, the past few weeks has been idling at 45-55C and 85C+ at load stock.
The problem isn't about spec or the IHS and blah blah. It's manufacturing fuckups that put too much adhesive that spaces the IHS from the die too much. If you're lucky you got one that isn't spaced so much. Most don't seem to be so lucky.

>>60118112
>It's manufacturing fuckups that put too much adhesive that spaces the IHS from the die too much.
Where is their QA oh wait they let them go

>>60113817
Thanks for making me save £30 on a Motherboard!
I don't really think that I need an SSD card, since I don't mind waiting a few more seconds for things to load, but thanks for everything else!


>>60113922
I'm hoping to get a better second monitor in a few months(6), so I want to get something that'll work with both of them

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>>60118151
>Where is their QA oh wait they let them go

>>60118151
And validation teams. And a lot of other things.

>>60117997

Then the next point of research is which has the most mature bios unless you are big into overclocking. Also don't forget to check the QVL for ram support.

>>60118112
Any recommendations for cooling then?

where can i get a win10 iso and do i need a product key

>>60118112
>Wrong.
How about you go fuck yourself with your facts coming out straight out of your ass? I've talked to MANY owners of 7700K and they are ALL capable of reaching correct temps as I have (35-40 idle, 65+ load) on air by putting correct Vcore and having a "normal" air cooler like a H7.

>>60118112
>$370 for a 1070 and he doesn't even have Gsync
It's that AMD shill again everyone, it's safe to ignore.

>>60118363
can i please get an answer im sitting on a blank pc here

>>60117661
M.2 is fine if you're getting an 850EVO or similar for the same price as a 2.5".

No reason to get a 960Pro/etc.

>>60118472
microsoft's website just google it
no

>>60118314
You want at least a 180-220W TDP cooler like the D15 for a 7700k.

>>60118407
Dude, fuck off. We have people in these threads posting screenshots all the time the past few weeks of their 45-55C idle temps. One was even 43C idle showing on their NZXT kraken utility. They had a $120+ AIO.

It depends on where your 7700k was assembled at, and when, which you can't determine when buying one from a retailer.

>>60118437
You didn't dispute anything.

Is it dumb to get Ubuntu on a budget build (500-600$)? I only play online games like CSGO, H1Z1 and I'm fine with them on the lowest settings.

>>60118538
It's dumb to be paying $500 and playing them only on the lowest settings, yes. You should be able to play on High settings on all but the most cutting edge games at $500-600, at least 720p (1080p on many).

Usually Linux can do better than "lowest settings," but it depends on the game. I don't really know how well those games play on Linux.

>>60118538
scrap linux if you play mmos

>>60118513
>We have people in these threads posting screenshots all the time
no we don't

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Is my newly built pc doing well?

>>60118538
Why spend more than you need to if you can meet your needs with less? That's the entire point of price/performance.

>>60118880
We don't lately since they've hardly been recommended the past 2 weeks, tard. Before R5 came out it was a few people a day.

>>60119119
>backpedaling from your fallacies once again

>>60113370
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YMyNFd
Gonna buy this today

In the last thread, people said 1000W is too much (I was gonna go with an AX860 but this EVGA one is almost the same cost and leaves lots of room for adding another GPU etc.)

CPU water cooler is because my case won't fit a large air cooler

GPU water cooler is for lulz + overclocks, not really sure if a 1080 TI would perform better than an overclocked, watercooled 1080

Advice is appreciated!

>>60118513
Ok, D15 looks nice. Would it be worth shelling out a bit more $ for liquid cooling?

>>60118538
You kidding me, you can set that shit to highest settings, CSGO is dependent on CPU.

Do I seriously get a 1700 over a 7700k. I'm so torn Idk what to do. I've only ever had intel before so Idk how much i trust amd desu

>>60119394
>I've only had Intel before
Get out.

>>60119394
I talked my best friend into buying 1700 so now I got to get one too or else I look a cunt. I think it'll be fine, no worries

>>60119407
You outplayed yourself.

>>60119239
Were you the same dumbass from before that had an NVMe drive in his 7700k build?
Yeah. The same with a 1000W.
I give up on you. Just buy a PC from the store. You don't know what you're doing if you can't figure out why you don't need an NVMe.

>>60119394
>Do I seriously get a 1700 over a 7700k.
Idk depends on your use case. 1700 is more for production, otherwise you should get a 1600 and OC or a 1600X.
>I've only ever had intel before
This is an 18+ site.

1700 or 7700k? I'm buying the parts in the hour.

>>60119439
You didn't give enough fucking information.

>>60119434
Thats like remarkably offensive of you

I do realize the difference between seq and 4k reads, why you are assuming things idk

>>60119454
Games. With a 1070. Photoshop shit too and FL studio. Coming from a 3570k.

>>60119466
FL Studio is far, far better with a 1700. Games at 1440p will be good with it as well.
For Photoshop, it mostly makes no difference. One wins on some PS tasks, the other at other PS tasks.

You could also just simply get a 3770k for a cheap upgrade. It's 90% the same performance as the 7700k if you overclock it almost as high.

>>60119456
NVMe aren't for video games. You were told this already. The OP already says this. It literally makes not even a 1% improvement in game load times or boot times or any fucking shit like that.

>>60119506
Were you gonna list an alternative or just continually shit on my choice of parts?

>>60118971
Anyone?

>>60119550
Who the fuck cares? Its cookie cutter le ebin gaymen build.

>>60119533
Pretty sure I already gave you an alternative in the last thread. You can scroll up and see this was addressed to someone else with a benchmark that shows identical or within 99% identical drives, as well.

Alright fuck it. I'm getting a 1700. what mobo and ram boys. Should I get a H7 with it or is the stock heatsink good enough for OC

Is ryzen 5 1600x a meme? I need quick rundown

I think im gonna ditch (((intel)))

>>60119506
Like I'm lookin at this one alright
https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX300-525GB-Internal-Solid/dp/B01IAGSD68/?tag=logicaincre07-20

Lets see... "Random reads/writes up to 92K / 83K" and the 960 Pro? 440k/360k

Which one will perform better hmmm I wonder

>>60119565
What kind of benchmark shows 99% identical performance between a SATA drive and an NVMe one? The NVMe is supposed to perform much better in synthetic conditions

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TBtff8
Waiting on the full Denverton lineup before I start this build
4x10GB in the SoC sounds overkill, but I'm glad three of my computers can support 10GBASE-T now.

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R8 my build..

>>60119623
>no poptarts
one job, one fucking job

>>60119608
>synthetic
No actual program behaves like that. Stop being a tard, please.
When programs read or write files they are doing a lot of CPU work with it that is the bottleneck. Read and write speed is ONLY a bottleneck when used as a scratch disk.
Now stfu unless you can show me an actual application that benefits from the increased bandwidth

>>60119623
Should have waited to get 2p 1950Xs and DDR4 2666.

What's the deal with RAM overclocking, I hear it makes Ryzen way faster but a lot of motherboards are having problems overclocking, will this be fixed in the future? What is the ideal RAM speed, what about CL timings?

Is a B350 board good enough to overclock the CPU and RAM or should I get an X370? What is the best brand?

Do SSD's make gaming faster FPS wise or do they just decrease load times?

Please respond

>>60119712
My point is the NVMe drives perform better in benchmarks. What benchmark are you using that shows 99% similar results?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RCkBd6
Main use is gaymes with some moderate streaming on the side.
How hard will I be fucking myself over if I buy the 480 now? I'm in a country with very limited choice, it's either that or the MSI 580 which is the equivalent $60 more expensive.

>>60119723
Generally to have good success going over 2933mhz you need to have a board that supports BCLK overclocking. AFAIK only a few X370 boards have this option right now, and none of the B350 boards do. Without this option, you're stuck with bumping the multiplier which seems to have more stability issues above 2933mhz.

The benefit in going up in speed starts to diminish around 3000-3200mhz, so 3200mhz is generally considered the sweet spot for a reasonably attainable overclock.

As an added twist however, Dual Rank ram seems to be faster than Single Rank ram at comparable speeds, such that running Dual Rank ram at slower speeds can provide comparable performance to high speed single rank, although Dual Rank ram seems to be less reliable to overclock to high speeds.

Considering that, the best price/performance is likely in getting a B350 board and dual rank ram, and trying to get it running at 2933mhz. The best total performance is probably still in getting an X370 with a BCLK option and running single rank at 3200mhz+.

>>60119723
The ideal speed now is hard to tell since you need an external clock generator to go over 3200 until the may microcode update, and most benchmarkers haven't really tested that other than MindBlankTech.

But 2666 minimum. Diminishing returns generally seem to start happening at 2933 or 3200, but it depends on the game.
Games like BF1 and FO4 get a 20% fps increase pretty linearly when going from 2133 to 3200, but better programmed games like Ashes only see like a 3% gain increasing from 2666 to 3200.
2666 is a good speed if you can get that with dual rank, anyway.

>>60119769
Real worlds ones, fucking duh. Boot time and load times.

>>60119771
Why so much money for an XFX GTR when you could get the RX580 Red Devil GS or GTR-S for a little more than that price? If it's cheaper than that on sale, mark it so you don't confuse people.

>>60119828
>Real worlds ones, fucking duh. Boot time and load times.

Jesus man, just tell me the fuckin benchmark so I can look it up for myself

Anyway, you convinced me, I'm getting a 850 Evo instead of a 960 Pro. How bout we move on?

>>60119810
>>60119828
Thanks m8's

>>60119623
Not enough storage space. No DVD/Bluray?

>>60119852
> just tell me the fuckin benchmark
I told you to scroll up. It's already been posted. Or you could simply google "960 pro 850 evo load time benchmarks" I'm not spoon feeding further.

>>60119955
Whatever man..

Can someone tell me whether I would be better off overclocking and liquid cooling a 1080 or upgrading to the 1080 TI?

New thread.

>>60120050
>>60120050
>>60120050

>>60119976
They greatly limit the overclocking in almost all Nvidia cards. They don't let you change the base voltage.

>>60120095
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>>60117935
Enjoy your Stutter Lake.