/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>60100646
>The Ryzen 1700 is the only R7 worth purchasing.
>The R5 1600 is the best all around chip for the price, it's a better choice than an R7 for gaming.

>choosing i5 when R5 exists
>RX 500s when RX 400s exist for way cheaper

Who is the jew here?

>>60100646
>Core i5 Edition
As dead as it gets.
You could argue for 7700K in 640*480 benchmarks, but i3 and i5 are fucking destroyed by ryzen

>>60100646
>Intel shill damage control edition
Just let this one sink to the bottom, guys.

What Graphics card should I get if I want to play games on 1080p@75hz?

The monitor that I have rn is LG-22MP68VQ-P (21.5" 1920 x 1080) but I'm planning on adding another one in the future.

>>60102337
Also forgot ot mention that my CPU is going to be R5 1600 and the previous thread stated that Nvidia and Ryzen have issues together

I'm going to buy an i5 to spite all of you.

>>60101462
no my good man

the i3 was killed by the g4560
going above that you take a ryzen
and if the sky is your limit, i7

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8TmZKZ

Help me out here guys. How is this lookin? Already got the RAM, HDD, SSD, and keyboard btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wYLmdHfFRg

this is a pretty good summary of i5 vs Ryzen.

i own an i5-7600k because AMD dragged ass so i pulled the trigger on a platform i knew was stable.

Ryzen 5 vs i5, you will get a more well rounded system with Ryzen for a bit cheaper.

though with Ryzen only hitting its Peaks with Fast Ram at a time when DDR4 3000+mhz ram is super Expensive.................. make sure the parts you pick compliment each other within your budget.

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>>60105368
>Caviar Blue

>>60105919
What's wrong with it?

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G4560 and RX 470 is a good budget build, correct?
I'm finally getting into PC gaming.

>>60105999
caviar blacks are the only gud WD drives anon

>>60106021
Yes but a 570 will get you better bang for your buck. What is your budget?

>>60106090
And why is that?

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>>60105150
>i3s are like 10% faster for double the price

Intel what are you doing

>>60106104
$525
I found an RX 470 on Amazon for $189.99
I just found a 570 too but no two day shipping

>>60106021
what this >>60106104 guy said, get a 570 and overclock that shit

>>60106182
>>60106104
Is it worth the extra $10? [spoiler]Even if I don't plan to overclock because I have no idea how to do that[/spoiler]

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>>60106143
>Intel what are you doing
Panicking like a cute anime girl.

>>60106224
OCing GPUs is super easy but yes the extra 10 bucks is worth it. The only time the RX 500s aren't worth it is if you are upgrading from a 400 to a 500.

>>60106153
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/scV9QV

Here is a list I quickly put together. You could cut down on some stuff but for the most part that's what it should look like.

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Just pulled the trigger on this after some input from here last night. For muh 1440p gaymen and "productivity"

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>>60106224
very much worth the tenbux and overclocking a gpu is a lot easier than overclocking a cpu (although even that is easymode)

to overclock my 7870, I
>installed Afterburner
>set voltage limit +10%
>moved core clock slider to 1150MHz
>moved memory clock slider to 1450MHz
>clicked apply
>fire up some games, everything justwerx

no noticeable change in temps either

>>60100646
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ncHT9W


do i buy this in the next hour? what do i change?

Looking to build a 1080p gaming PC. This is my first time doing so. I have a budget of $1000. Can anyone help me out with this?

>>60106326
>7700K
delid this
>Noctua NH-D15
my nignog, don't change this
>Intel 730 SSD
>not a Samsung or Crucial
>EVGA
if you like coil whine and fried VRMs I guess

>>60106340
Ryzen 1600
1TB Caviar Blue HDD
Samsung 850 or MX300 Crucial, whichever is cheaper
Any modular Seasonic PSU
NZXT 340 case of any color
RX 570 from Powercolor+, Sapphire, or Gigabyte
pirate windows 7 or 10

>>60106340
how much do you care about unnecessary quality? dust filters, sound foam, good coolers for your gpu/cpu and such. or do you just want the "it just werks" build.

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>>60106340
Enjoy.

>>60106384
what do i switch the 7700k out for?

what should i switch out the SSD and EVGA for?

i've been trying to get a used Fury for around $200 but i'm about to say fuck it and get a 580

>>60106431
cheaper if the GPU was an rx 570

>>60106448
Yep, for 1080p the 1070 is overkill, but I was just showing it's possible. Could drop down to 570/580 and get some more storage and an aftermarket cooler.

>>60106311
why the shit is everything so expensive

that should be like $500 cheaper

>>60106408
So like this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FMrQ9W
What about RAM and a motherboard?
>>60106429
I just want something that will work for me for the foreseeable future.
>>60106431
Thank you.
>>60106466
Which is better, the 570 or 580? Why would I need a cooler as well?

>>60106475
It's the fucking Nvidia GPU combined with the G3 upgrade over the G2 which fixed the power loss corruption issue the superflower rebrand had.

>>60106482
>Which is better, the 570 or 580? Why would I need a cooler as well?

If you're not overclocking, the 580 is faster. I've heard you can OC the 570 and it comes up to the same speed as the 580, but the 580 doesn't OC well. Either will be fine for 1080p 60hz.

You don't need an aftermarket cooler, the stock Wraith Spire cooler seems pretty good, but if you want something quieter and cooler to squeeze out every last Mhz of OC, you could get an aftermarket. They also look good.

>>60106475
I probably should have noted, that's in Canuck bucks. So yes, with the exchange rate and higher taxes up here in socialist hell, it is about $1100USD

>>60106525
How easy is it to OC graphics cards? If they both be fine, they why not just get the 570?
>You don't need an aftermarket cooler
I mean if it will save me money I'll just hold off on the cooler.

>>60106562
You can use a program like MSI Afterburner, it's very simple and safe as long as you aren't changing the voltage. It's a good question though, i'm not equipped to answer because I have not actually used either. Without OC, 580 is a faster. I read that 570 can OC to catch up and 580 is at a limit out of the box. I could be wrong, another anon could clarify.

And yeah, stock is fine to save money.

>>60106475
Looks like Canadian prices to me.

>>60106616
If it's that easy to do, then wouldn't it be more efficient to buy the 570 then just OC it? Or would that shorten it's life?

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I just finished putting together my PC and I get the EZ troubleshooting LEDfor the CPU telling me there's a problem. The the troubleshooting LED for the GPU comes on after.

I have reseated the GPU probably 10 times, I have plugged in and replugged in the CPU power cables multiple times. I even removed the CPU fan and checked the CPU for bent pins but everything seems fine.

Anyone have any tips? This is my first time building a PC so it could easily be something dumb and simple.

Also, It's a Ryzen 7 on a Tomahawk with a GTX 1060 if that helps.

>>60106626
Yes, that is the argument. No, it won't shorten the life as long as it is within recommended temps range. Since you won't fuck around with voltage, you shouldn't be able to push it past safe temps.

>>60106645
I can just get a 570 in that case and cut back on costs a bit more.

>>60106658
It will be perfectly fine for 1080 60hz. Enjoy.

>>60106669
Just double checking, how does this look?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8JHT9W

>>60106689
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8JHT9W
CPU, GPU, motherboard, case, SSD all good.

Swap out the WD for the newest Seagate Barracuda. Get 3000 or 3200 RAM if possible, it shouldn't be much more. The PSU is tier 3, which is meh. S12II 620W if you don't care about modular (your case has a PSU cover) or get a Seasonic G / EVGA GQ for semi-modular, EVGA G3 for full modular.

>>60106640
Make sure you have compatible RAM. What is the error code the LED is showing even.

has anyone RMA'ed a Used GPU before?

whats the best way to go about RMA'ing a card purchased used, that would still be under warranty if in the hands of the original owner?

When. Are the Vegas coming out and what will be the pricing?

>Ryzen 5 1600
>MSI B350M Gaming Pro
>Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8GB 3200 MHz

>turn on pc
>RAM is at 2133 MHz
>update BIOS
>now it runs at 2600 MHz
>update again
>2933 MHz
>everytime I try to run at 3200 MHz it complains and reboots like four times before going back to 2133 MHz

>turns out Ryzen has horrible memory management

Did I just get clock-cucked?

>>60106738
On the Tomahawk there are 4 LEDs

1. CPU
2. RAM
3. GPU
4. Boot

The CPU one comes on first, then it goes out and the GPU one comes on. I know the motherboard is connected to the GPU though because the fan spins upon boot and only turns off after the GPU LED comes on.

I know how unlikely it is that the parts are actually bad. I'm just confounded. I've taken tons of laptops and desktops apart before and never had a problem.

>>60106759
>MSI B350M Gaming Pro
Check the official memory support and make sure your BIOS is updated. It is well known that Ryzen has memory issues right now, which are being addressed through updates.

>>60106736
Thank you so much. So like this then?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zrCW8K

>>60106756
they will likely release around June.

AMD is dragging ass again. They havent said anything about Prices.

>>60106759
don't even let people try to tell you that memory OC problems are exclusive to ryzen, i'm going through a similar headache on an x99 set up.

>>60106794
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zrCW8K
Extremely solid. Check reviews on the monitor though, I cannot advise you on that and it's a good investment since you will keep it for a long time.

>>60106813
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yjrG3C/asus-monitor-vs248hp

Thinking of getting this instead.

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Trying to post last time before going back to the store.
Got a new mobo,cpu,ram and cooler yesterday.
Assembled everything myself,turned it on and got this message,also the keyboard doesn't respond so I can't enter bios settings.
Things I tried:disconnecting all the USB panels from the mobo,resetting the bios by taking off the battery and by short circuting the clrtc,tried to connect only the PSU and the screen to the onboard card and still got this problem.
Is it safe to say it's a defect mobo?
The store I got it from is pretty shady,what common bullshit can they use to refuse replacing it?
The mobo is Asus prime z270-a by the way.

>>60106847
first remove mouse
if keyboard doesn't work after restart, get a ps/2 keyboard
the mobo isn't defective otherwise you wouldn't even get to this screen

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>>60106847

>>60106840
All I can say is, don't go above 24" for 1080p monitor. IPS looks better than TN, but is more expensive. Response time isn't important under 5ms, unless you're playing competitive CS:GO or something.

>>60106901
I already tried removing the mouse and tried to connect the keyboard through different ports.
Didn't tried to connect a ps/2 keyboard but I doubt it will change anything seeing as I still got this error with no USB ports connected at all.
It's seems that all the people who solved it online split into 2 groups:those who actually disconnected a faulty USB device and those who rma'ed the mobo.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yvwXGf

How does this look?

Is there another good brand like sapphire for a 580? because I don't know if I should trust superbiiz to have it in stock. Also Is there a better CPU cooler I could get for around the same price since I don't want to wait for may for cooler master to send me the AM4 bracket

>>60106920
As I mentioned in the post I already tried to disconnect all the USBs from the mobo.

>>60106811
You're right.
All AMD processors have memory OC problems.

>>60106969
Red Devil is good. As is Gigabyte. You don't need an aftermarket cooler though.

>>60102337
So do you want to play Minesweeper or crysis? How can anyone suggest anything to you if they don't know what you want to do in the first place?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VfkPHN
For my friend. He wants that specific case.

>>60106983
Thanks man!
Even if I OC I still wouldn't need an after market cooler?

>>60107061
No, the 1600 comes with one. All the Ryzen 5s do, except the 1600X.

>>60106862 #

Well that was my first PC, not the last one I built. But long enough ago that I can't test the RAM on it; my current PC is DDR3 and the new ones DDR4.

I don't have a system I can check it on. But I have nothing else to try, really. I'm reasonably confident the motherboard and processor work, as they're both brand new, and also because I've used three different combinations thereof (CPU 1 + MB 1, CPU 2 + MB 1, CPU 2 + MB 2), and it's the exact same issue every time; LEDs on, fans on, and that's it. No beeps, no BIOs, no POST, nothing on the screen. The GPU has been tested and works. The PSU has been tested and works, and i tried a different PSU, and have the same result. The only things I don't absolutely know work are the SSD and RAM, but the SSD doesn't matter yet if I can't get to BIOS.

>>60102337
depends, i usually turn down graphics to get closer to the 144 dream.

You can get a $165 4GB MSI 570 on jet.com with some spring sale code

IM BOUTA DO IT

>>60107185
Fuck they charge tax. Still 15 bucks cheaper than newegg though..

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>FX-6300
>8GB RAM
>HD7850 GPU
>420W PSU

Lads is this a decent build for current gen triple A gaming on mid settings?

The price range is pretty much perfect with this one, and i could always update to a better AM3+ CPU later on if it started bottlenecking so yeah i'm looking for third opinions here (especially on the CPU) because i need to decide on this shit quick

>>60107301
I can run those at medium at maybe 30FPS on my 750 Ti, so yeah you're probably okay...

>>60107301
That's absolutely shit by today's standards. Get new parts and ypu'll get a far better experience. G4560 and 1050 should dl the trick

>>60107318
>>60107318
Hmm thanks i'm going to look up some further forum posts and benchmarks here and then just bite the bullet if it turns out to look like a decent platform to build onto for the next couple years

Further opinions are welcome too of course :-)

>>60107346
>>60107346
Yeah i just saw that the CPU came out in late 2012 so that's why i'm asking basically

Basically i'd retain the option to upgrade both the GPU and CPU at some later point anyways, the point is that my current build has an ancient AM3 CPU in it which is why i want to make the switch anyways

>>60107396
>Basically i'd retain the option to upgrade both the GPU and CPU

Then you need an AM4 platform with Ryzen. That's the only non-dead end platform out right now.

>>60107403
>>60107403
>Then you need an AM4 platform with Ryzen

B-but i don't want to abandon windows 7 yet lel

>>60107419
Fool.
https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/am4-chipset-driver.aspx

>>60100646
like i said last time. make a tripcode so i can filter you. goddamn these retards are getting dumber by the minute

>>60107365
Build upon what? That cpu is a massive bottleneck

>>60107301
Depends on the price really. The GPU is perhaps a bit weak, but should still be able to run games at low-med. In Dark Souls 3 for example you can expect 50-60 FPS on low settings @ 1080p with rare dips to the 30s.

With a build like that you don't really have a lot of upgrade paths though. Probably the only viable way of partially upgrading the build would be to first get a new PSU+GPU and then later a new mobo+cpu+ram.

>>60100646
Didn't he make this thread way too early?

At 15:14:39 the other thread was only at like 50 posts in.

>>60101462
7700k is still pretty good for 1080p. It's not as smooth, but it's still pretty smooth and with good averages.
I'd still recommend Ryzen usually, but the 7700k is not a completely pants-on-head-retarded idea like an i5 is. It's just poor value.

>>60102337
A good RX570 4GB like the Red Devil will play all but a handful of games maxed at that. Those other games you'll have to turn settings down to very high or high on.

>>60107450
>>60107450
Which one wud you personally recommend then?

What's a rough amd FX equivalent to i5 6600?

>>60107573
That's some funny shit.
Ryzen shits all over all the previous AMD CPUs. Go for Ryzen or go Skylake Intel.

>>60107511
AMD Shill Spotted.

>>60107573
There is no FX equivalent to the i5-6600. It's just far worse.
The 1500X is better than both, though.

Also a 7850 is going to be on "low" for many newer games.
I have to go low on a few with my 7970 that's more than twice as powerful. But for the vast majority I can play at medium or very high, if not maxed. You'll be a notch or two down with that GPU.

>>60106983
Gigabyte Radeon GPUs are loud and hot. Don't know where you got the idea that they're good.

>>60106969
If you're doing 1440p, I'd get the best RX580 you can. The Red Devil Golden Sample or GTR-S. A Nitro++ would be alright if you want to stick with Sapphire.

>>60106840
>https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yjrG3C/asus-monitor-vs248hp
Spend $10 more on a 75Hz Freesync instead. And like the other Anon was saying.. even 24" is a bit big for 1080p imo.
I find my 24" 1920x1200 to be too low pixel density. 24-27" is good for 1440p.

>>60107595
Hey look, OP dropped his trip and drake avataring

>>60107460
>>60107460
Yeah i'd upgrade the GPU at some point anyways

The FX6300 build mentioned above would set me back about 230 so yeh i don't know if that's a decent price or not for the whole package, it would defo be an improvement over my current CPU but then again i don't want to get ripped off
The

>>60107680
AM3 is a dead end.
Go fucking AM4 or stick with Intel.

>>60107680
Does the price include a case, SSD/HDD, fans, aftermarket CPU cooling or something other not mentioned in the first post? If it's a full build with a decent PSU and it's in your price range I'd probably go for it and upgrade the GPU to a RX 470 or something similar.

>>60107819
Yeh it's got a more or less decent case with everything cabled up/ready to roll included but no HDD/SSD and no DVD drive either afaik

Cooler isn't mentioned, it only says "certified by AMD" so i don't know if that's supposed to mean boxed or not

Like i said i'm still pondering about the CPU, you reckon with the GPU you recommended it could run games like bf1 half-way decently?

The main thing for me would be the ability to upgrade to a better AM3 CPU at some point when i've got more cash anyways, also i'm not worrying about the PSU that much because i already got a better/more powerful one in the current build and would likely end up selling the other one then

*Meant to write AM3+ CPU of course kek

>>60107766
AM3+ still isn't a bad choice when buying used with a smallish budget and the FX-6300 is in a pretty good spot overall. i5/i7 2XXX(K) would be worth considering too, as they shouldn't cost that much more compared to the FX-6300. For the GPU I'd pick at least a R9 280 or a GTX 960. Should make for a nice budget gaming PC.

To whoever makes the new thread, don't use this OP.

>>60107957
>>60107957
Not going to lie i'm more or less tempted

Still have to check out some of the other benchmarks but right now it looks like i'll be going through with it, this is basically the only offer i could find in that price range with half-way decent/up-to-speed hardware for current gen gaming with upgrade options on top of it

I'd probably buy myself in the ass if this particular deal went out of stock in the meantime and i hadn't made a decision heh

*bite myself in the ass

Jesus fuck it's really getting late now

>>60107932
Probably a boxed cooler, which is a shame as the FX-6300 overclocks pretty nicely with a good cooler. For BF1 more cores probably wouldn't hurt. I'm sure you can find some benchmarks for that setup if you look around a bit.

I however don't think it would be wise to buy this with the intention of upgrading the CPU later. The top end AM3+ CPUs are in my experience still quite costly and somewhat rare while offering subpar performance at least when compared to their power efficiency.

>>60107985
Yeah. Use >>60097739 or similar.

>>60108046
>>60108046
Hm well i don't know... What would you do CPU-wise in my stead, keeping in mind how i don't want to go all-out with the budget?

Upgrading to AM4 doesn't really seem that feasible in light of this imo

>>60108046
>>60108157
I think you're right about the CPU yeah, it would defo create somewhat of a bottleneck but i think only if i do current gen titles on ultra settings which i don't really intend to, at least not before i upgrade that is

For BF1 it basically scratches on the listed minimum requirements, if i could get my hands on a slightly better offer i'd roll with that too but i've compared the total price for these components with two other major stores now and for that money it's basically the best offer i can find right now

>>60106114
He has autism. Caviar blues are perfectly fine for 7200 rpm. If you get a blue 2TB, it's probably 5400 RPM though.

>>60108204
>>60108204
Actually i just found another deal for +50 bucks now which features an FX 8370 and 16GB DDR3

I don't know if it's worth going over budget just for that CPU though since it seems to be roughly equivalent to/only slightly better than the FX 6300

Ah nevermind it's an FX 8370E actually, crazy how much difference in processing power + price one letter can make

Still doesn't seem that bad for under 300 bucks heh

>>60108404
>>60108317
I wouldn't pay over like $150 total for an FX8300 or better, motherboard that can OC, and 2x4GB of DDR3 RAM.

You can get a 1500X, 2x4GB of RAM, and a motherboard for only around $300. Cheaper if you caught that 1500X for $152 deal. Just need to catch deals.

I got my 1600X, ASRock Pro4 board, and 2x16GB of RAM for about $405 by watching sales and shit.

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>>60108422
>>60108422
>Tfw haven't mastered the art of the deal yet

>>60108404
>>60108461
I know someone got a 8320 for like $100 including a motherboard with it. 2x4GB of DDR3 RAM is like another $40-$50.
So yeah. $150ish is an okay price. It's really not worth more considering it's sometimes half the performance of a 1500X. At the best case it's like 65%.

Best thing to do would be to try and find a 1500X on sale around $150, RAM for around $50-$60, and motherboard $50-$60.
Ebay usually has some coupon every month that you can combine with other new product sellers on there.

Partt of how I got some stuff was cheap was that I got Newegg giftcards for 19% off that combined with the price before rebate. But those gift cards are gone now.

I recently purchased this ram from amazon for my ryzen 5 1600 build.

Bought it at 99$ when it was at sale.

Here is the specs:

Patriot Extreme Performance 16GB PC4-25600 (3200MHZ) Viper Elite Series Kit, Red PVE416G320C6KRD

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BN0MS1Y/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_qLTazbX77AYJW

I recently bought the case and psu, all I need is the mobo, and im gonna go for Gigabyte GA-B350 Gaming 3 mobo. Is this gonna work for my ryzen/mobo, or Do I need to refund and get a diffrent ram.

>>60108404

The 'e' chips are the best binnings of the vishera line.

>>60108672
i dont see why it wouldnt, other that the typical ryzen ram issues

Looking to downgrade my system, as it's overpowered and all I'm really interested in is 1080p60 gaming and light coding.

How much could I sell my current build for and what could I build with the money I get?

>Current build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qCKMd6
>4790k
>reference 290 because I'm gay and got it cheap
>8gb ram


Looking for a smaller system (so preferably mATX or ITX) that I can take to school and back easily, would probably dual boot linux and windows, would prefer multiple HDD bays (just for gaymes)

>>60107301
Don't buy the last gen AMD CPUs.
No seriously, don't buy into the dead platform. I wish I hadn't a year ago.
Don't be me

>>60100646
>doesn't play games lately
>pop off gpu
>save 15watts
:^)

>>60106090
>>60106114
WD blacks used to be awesome compared to other drives, more cache and a dedicated processor and solid build. These days there's little or no difference on spinning drives. And you want to use a SSD for programs and games and a spinning drive for big media files. If that's your usage then there's no difference. Just avoid WD green and Seagate and you'll be fine.

>>60105150
>delid lake
>not r7 1700

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LkMmHN

>>60108894
>poozen
>clocklet

>>60106311
I have the impression nvidia GPUs don't play nicely with Ryzen CPUs. They might fix it with updates, who knows.

>>60108804
QVL doesn't have the model ram for Gigabyte Gaming 3.

So its still gonna work?

>>60106562
Totally easy with RX 470/480 and 570/580. In Linux you can do it with an echo to /sys. There's guaranteed a Windows tool, odd if there isn't.

I don't myself, heat and power and noise will increase.

>>60107301
> all those old parts
Don't buy that new, save up and get a newer platform. BUT if you find a used system like that cheap then it's fine, and you probably can. People with that generation are the ones upgrading to Ryzen now. This should tell you something about buying that old pile of outdated hardware new. It also means you can get lucky and get it used real cheap.

IN what situations is the GTX 1050 Ti worth buying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ZsaavKNR8

>>60109087
When you need to save as much watts as possible.

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ITT: Jewtel in full panic mode.

should I go for the define S case black box with great airflow and space or the meme tempered glass LED fest S340 Elite white with the VR pass through, 4 usb ports and that cool magnetic puck to hang your headphones?

>>60109542
go for the knock off define with tempered glass
check out the thermaltake suppressor f31, its your meme dream

>>60109590
eh, what I mean is do I go with a closed box that will be silent as heck that I don't bother trying to make look cool since it's just this black box that's efficient, or do I go for the pretty lights and kinda of cool utility with the expensive lights inside.

Part of me wants to be frugal and practical, the other wants to indulge in the memes and pretty bullshit.

>>60100646

I'm thinking of building a new PC. Nothing too fancy. I going to be using for mostly web surfing, office tasks, programming and the like. No gaming or video editing. So I want something cheap but effective. I want to get as much ram as possible, followed by good secondary storage.

I'm think of either getting an Intel NUC or building a mATX machine. What would be a good motherboard in the later case?

What should I do?

>>Pentium G4560 remains the best if your budget is only around $500.

Is this true, or OP lying?

>>60107000
Sorry, I was mostly talking about Tera, Overwatch, BioWare games and the like

Nice trips btw

>>60107179
So far I plan on getting such a high end monitor, since I'm on a budget, but one can dream

>>60107511
>RX570 4GB
Noted
Is there a reason why everyone always recommends the 570 instead of the 580 version? I realise that it's a £30 difference, but would it be worth it?

>>60109377
Poor kikes got caught with their pants down.

I have a really old mother board
http://www.ascendtech.us/dell-4vwf2-alienware-aurora-alx-board_i_mbd4vwf2ms7591m.aspx

And I have a bunch of left over old ram sticks.
This says it can only accept up to 24gb, but I have sticks worth more. Can I put more in or will it not work?

>>60109655
It's true.

If you are doing budget, the G4560 is the best choice UNLESS you can afford an i5/R5. It costs half of an i3 and performs almost exactly the same. It just not worth getting an i3 anymore.

>>60106744
Show them the receipt.
You DID get the receipt, right? It's valuable both in cases like these and to know you're not buying stolen goods.
Alternatively, look for a serial number. I'm not sure how returns work in your country.

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I have a 3570 with 2x4 2133 on a z75, is it worth trading up to a 3770 for $90 and getting a new gpu or should I just part it? it has a new psu and seems like it could hold out for coffee lake and zen+
>>60106744
Yes I claimed I was the original owner and got it at a best buy cash purchase. It was under warranty and they never even asked for the receipt.

You guys told me Ryzen is better than 7700. I almost fell for amd meme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLj0kDHl-_I

>>60110308
>25 march
really pleasing to see that Ryzen's floor is above Kaby Lake ceiling even with not mature software
can't wait for may agesa update

>>60110308
>пocтит тeхнoжлoбa
A нy yeбaл oтcюдa нaхyй oбpaтнo в cвoй зaгoн, зивoнeбoмж.

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>>60110327
t. buttblasted amd fag

>>60110345
(you)

>>60100646
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YMyNFd
rate my build!

gonna go get most these parts tomorrow, already have the case

>>60110407
pc usage?

>>60107932
Buying that system as-is would be ok for that price.

Buying it intending to upgrade is a lost cause and terrible poorfag reasoning.This would not be cost effective or have good results.

>>60110407
1000w psu why?

I just got a full refund on my 1080 (bought before price drop) Should I get a 1080ti or wait for vega?

>>60101415
Sure but you can just disable some cores on the 1700 and clock it higher if you need single core performance then re-enable all cores for everyday usage.

Corsair Carbide Quiet 600Q Inverse ATX Full Tower Case

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz C15 Desktop Memory Kit - Black (CMK16GX4M2B3000C15)

EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G1, 80+ GOLD 750W, Fully Modular, 10 Year Warranty, Includes FREE Power On Self Tester Power Supply 120-G1-0750-XR

AMD Ryzen 7 1700X Processor (YD170XBCAEWOF)

WD Black 2TB Performance Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 7200 RPM SATA 6 Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5 Inch - WD2003FZEX

Corsair Hydro Series H110i Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler Cooling

ASUS Prime X370-Pro AMD Ryzen AM4 DDR4 DP HDMI M.2 USB 3.1 ATX X370 Motherboard with AURA Sync RGB Lighting

EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 SC GAMING ACX 3.0, 8GB GDDR5X, LED, DX12 OSD Support (PXOC) Graphics Card 08G-P4-6183-KR


bought all that shit
did I fuck up

>>60110510
it's just 4 weeks, wait a bit just to check, 1080ti will slightly drop in summer

>>60110518
Why would you need a fucking AIO for Ryzen? Like holy fuck people OC on stock coolers.

>>60110518
AiO - yes
1080 - is alright
EVGA PSU - just get seasonic, come on

where is SSD? be reasonable.

>>60110528
I will buy one with my next paycheck =)

>>60110518
water cooler was kinda overkill because ryzen doesn't hit much especially considering you can't go above 4.1GHz at all
PSU also was overkill but overspending on the psu isn't really bad
Otherwise looks pretty good to me

>>60110523
AiO not that silent either

>>60110518
oh also, why didn't you get 3200 RAM? LPX is pretty cheap even now

>>60110547
oh that's not a bad idea; I will change it before they ship then
thanks f.am

>>60110550
There is no garuntee the 3200 LPX kit will reach 3200 but maybe in a few months with bios updates you can do it. I dont think its worth spending all that money on getting a b_die kit though unless you want high fps 1080p but then you should be going intel. Ryzen better for everything else.

>>60110617
yeah I don't give a fuck about video games, man
video encoding is what I'm interested in

>>60108926
>housefire

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Why do people still call them AIO when the most important part of a liquid cooling loop is almost always missing from them?

CLC is much more accurate

New Zealand btw

Is this good?

https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/TXV8wV

>>60110308
yeah but im also a full time minecraft youtuber.

I need to Render 5 hours of 4k gameplay everyday.
Checkmate Intel.

>>60110648
i dont think people call those AIOs (All In One)

thats a gpu waterblock for a custom loop.

>>60100646
If only mods would do their fucking job and rangeban this retarded shill and his i5 abortions.

>>60111016
This is my first pc build, i've had it for two years and now i want to upgrade so i can play more than just ut4, wot should i upgrade first.

>>60111005
He has already tried to hijack the general several times while the non-shilling one was still under 150 replies and reporting got the duplicates removed, but has succeded like a couple times. Guess we need to report-bomb his sorry ass next time.

>>60111032
>>60111016
I'm from America btw, hmu
id like to spend 300 dollars would i just get a new motherboard and get an i5?

hey guys, i have a very amateur question.
so i got a Ryzen 5 1600, and looking for a mobo and ram for it, but im on a budget because i'm from a 3rd world shithole

I saw a cheap ASUS PRIME B350M-A but is it actually an ok mobo for the price? should I just go with the MSI B350M GAMING PRO? or the MSI B350 Tomahawk? which one is the best performance/dollar wise?

can anyone help me with this? thanks

>>60111090
MSI B350M has shit 3 phase VRM, it should be fine for a 4 or 6 core, but really.. get a different board.
The Tomahawk had a POST issue where it took years to POST, idk if it's resolved.
The Asus is a solid choice, i'd go with that if those 3 are your options.
For RAM, check the QVL but generally buy the cheapest kit with he highest speed you can afford.

>>60111142
Is the ASUS one really the best of all 3? That's the cheapest. Huh, that's interesting. Thanks!

for RAM, is Kingston HyperX Predator 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 3200MHz CL16 good?

seems to have a good price

>>60111090
Only good b350 so far
gb gaming 3: 4+3 phase 1220 audio
asrock ab350m (3x2)+3 phase 897 audio
asus b350 plus: 4+2 phase, 887 audio 8x8 pci for cf.

all others are overpriced or not very gut.

>>60111234
*asrock ab350 pro4

>>60111234
should i just go with the asus b350 prime if i dont want the 8x8pci? i'm not planning on cf or anything like that

>have an 8 years old build
>code 2 duo, gtx 260, 4gb ram
>been waiting for my PC to die so I can build a new one from scratch
>didn't have to change a single part in 5 years
>PC just wont fucking die
>I'm stuck playing old games

Am I some kind of autist or is this normal?

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>>60111294
>playing games
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhm

How much PSU overhead is optimal?
According to pcpartpicker my current build uses 350W and my expected upgrade path is up to 450W. Are there even any good 500W PSUs or should I get some 600+ just for build quality?

Got a ryzen because my sandybridge is dying, am i going to be able to use my OS drive as is or will i need to do a clean install? It's Windows 8.1 too.

>>60111557
I did that with W10 and it survived pretty much perfectly, though a clean install is advised. Just plan for the worst case scenario but try anyway.

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>>60110640
>buzzwords

>>60110407
>estimated 415 w
>buy 1000w PSU

>>60111610
He's also got a water cooler and NVMe drive so he's been meme'd hard.
Just leave it be.

>>60111234
Not they anon you replied to, i've had pretty bad experiences with gigabyte's motherboards back in 2008-2012 era in the pc technician job i was at. Generally they didn't last long or were generally faulty and were made pretty cheapily. Has this changed at all? I'm also looking for a mobo for my ryzen 5 1600 which i plan to overclock while also overclocking ram to 3200mhz and gpu to w/e and from what i've gathered only reason to go x370 over b350 is for sli/crossfirex so i'm stuck with choosing between the mobos you just mentioned which all have pretty similar pricing where i live. If gigabyte has stoped making cheap chink products i'll probably go with that for the better onboard sound card.

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>>60100646
I got the parts exept the Gpu and RAM.
My funds are running low and I would appreciate opinions about choice of Gpu.
I am not currently into gaming, but I probably will get into som casual gaming. Other uses is amature video edit. Probably stick with 1080p for a while.
Also, are AMD gpu best choice for R5, also I will probably go for a sapphire Gpu, my impression after reasearch indicates good value/money. Am i rite?
Question is best value money/performance gpu and ram for my use.
Other opinions on the build are appreaciated.
I know power supply is probably overkill, but I will stick with it for future build and upgrades

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Just found a ASUS VGA DUAL-GTX1060-O6G for 157 euros on amazon deutch, best buy of my life see ya later nerds

>>60111343
600 and up and your future upgrades are safe.

Give me the rundown on the 7740K. Is it merely to the 7700K what the 4790K was to the 4770K?

Anon from some threads ago with the i5-2300 and h63 mobo.
Managed to OC it to 3.1ghz just upping a multiplier in the bios from 28 to 31 despite it
>not being possible in this chipset

I guess it's different in each mobo , it's a gigabyte for reference , it also tops at 60°C and power saving also works while idling. Feels pretty gud.

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>>60100646
What used bundle would you recommend? I can get a H61 board, 2 GB DDR3 and a G645 for 30 €. I thought about selling the processor for around 15 € and change it to a i5-3450/70 and add 4 GB more RAM (3-5 €).

I'm planning to use use as a light media / browsing station with gaming capabilities.

Current rig
>pic related

>>60111747
Yes. 100MHz more, housefire TDP and new HEDT socket. Nothing new.

>>60111747
7740k is a 7700k with iGPU disabled, and +100MHz base clock.
Everything else, boost clock included, stays the same.

>>60111714
you can bring the cost down by going b350 mobo instead.

470/570 is currently the best bang for the buck but if you don't game much you might as well go for the 460.

there's no point in having super strong psu since pc hardware will use less and less power in the future.

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im the asus motherboard guy from yesterday.
went to the store i bought it today and just like i though they tried to bullshit.
they claimed i have scratched the motherboard and it voids my warranty.
pic related is the scratch.
how likely is it that this scratch actually causes usb device over-current problem?
how likely is that i somehow managed to make such a small scratch when my screwdriver is much bigger and this area doesn't have any screws near it in the first place.
im fucking pissed instead of having a great weekend with a new pc i get jewed out of my shekels and get nothing in return.

>>60111714
Corsair PSU's have generally degenerated into chink quality i would recommend replacing it with a 600-650w Seasonic or EVGA. If you aren't going to duo gpu the mobo is overkill b350 handles overclocking fine. Could save some cash getting a cheaper case too. The gpu is fine you can also look into maybe a good deal for a used 470 one if there are any in your area.

>>60111762
>>60111769
Why do they launch these CPUs on HEDT? The lowest on X99 were six cores, this feels like a step back.

Will Intel change their prices soon? I think my X99 platform will last a while, but a 5960X would come handy.

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>>60111794
>Will Intel change their prices soon?

>>60111788
Is corsair being bad the new hot meme?
I got a tx750 , holding strong 7 years , no wonder, since it was also expensive, like 100 bucks.
Are they shit on top of expensive now?

>>60111785
either make a fuss about it or contact asus directly

>>60111785
if you bought it new you could RMA it for a while or harass the store you bought it from.

>>60111782
If you don't game I would go with iGPU or a used HD7850. And yes I run a 5820K and a 1070 on a Corsair CX500, I think even the 430W would be sufficient. Everything above 500W is worthless unless you want to SLI, better get a good PSU instead.

The Corsair CX/Vengeance series is the cheapest and best PSU on the market. I got it to replace a defective BQ 1200W DPP11, the third I had in a year - It worked so good and quiet that I decided to keep it and save the money. Buying a 200 €+ PSU doesn't mean it cannot fail.

>>60111816
it used to be good but their recent line-ups use alot of cheap materials and alot of anons have been complaining about their new corsair psus dying.

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In the past month I have sold 2 ATI Radeon 5770's for $100 each, 2 RX 480's for $240 each and an i7 975x for $100.

I have an Alienware Aurora with an either dead MOBO or fucked PSU. How much do you think I can get for the Aurora without a GPU and like 10gb of ram?

>>60111294
nigga just build a new PC. sell the old one on ebay for mad bux. you are torturing yourself to death here

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>>60111821
im trying to make a fuss about it but they simply say that i damaged it and it voids the warranty.
thought about contacting asus directly but i live outside of na and have no idea how to do it.
after checking around a little i found this store is known for notorious customer service.

>>60111816
CX(M) series are garbage apparently. I already had to replace the chink tier fan on mine with a spare old Noctua because it made a horrible clicking sound from time to time. The thing barely was a fucking year old.

>>60111865
What's your country?
Also what's the store?

>>60111881
israel and the store is ksp highly doubt there are more people from this shithole here.

>>60111794
>Will Intel change their prices soon?
I'm sure after skylake-X, or kabylake-X or whatever they're doing i'm not paying attention, comes out Haswell-E parts will start popping up on ebay for around ryzen 7 prices.
Unless brand loyalty is so powerful it even somehow affects the market where ryzen 7 is the most demonstrably useful. I will admit that is a possibility.

>>60111889
https://eu-rma.asus.com/pick_eu/il/
Your shit is still under warranty, minimum is 3 year for those
So don't worry, you'll be fine. Just do an RMA through asus.

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so guys its official.
how is this for my first pc, had a 600€ budget and theres another delivery with a 35€ sharkoon midi case coming.

>>60111898
well this page also says that any damage nullifies the warranty but il try to contact them and hope for the best.

>>60111931
Just act dumb and don't mention the scratch

>>60111912
gross

>>60111912
Is okay i assume.
It's in euros so i assume that's just the best you could have done.

>>60111912
I would get a 470 and a better CPU the g4560 is a stutterfest

>>60111948
what if they ask me why i didn't go to the store where i bought it from?
should i just say they directed me to them?

>>60111912
580 for 260euros? Can you post a link.

>>60111912
Warum keine SSD? Warum ein teureres Board als die CPU (Oder Upgrade?)
>TFW 16 GB DDR4-2400 neu für 45 € letztes Jahr

What are some good
1920 x 1200, 1-5ms, 144hz monitors?

>>60111788
I'll stick with the RM750x, its got a decent price here in nothern Europa and comes with a 10 yr warranty. Can't seem to find any good deals on a 470 here, the 570 has about the same price.
Thx for the input anyhow.
Are really Corsair RMX that crappy, they seem to have great user review here?

>>60111956
i hope it is, cheapest 4gb rx 570 was 220€ and even 4gb 470s were 200€ so I figured to put the last of my budget in there, also some good options for future upgrades i think, no?
>>60111955
why?

>>60108842
You could stick with the 4790k but get an mITX board and node 202 case? And a more power efficient GPU obviously.

>>60110407
>1000watt PSU
>$550 for a GPU that you can get for $450
>no delid service
>960
it's really shit.

>>60110523
>Why would you need a fucking AIO for Ryzen? Like holy fuck people OC on stock coolers.
Lmao. You missed a thread the other day where someone was wondering why his temps on a 1600 were 50-60C.
It's because his fan wasn't plugged in and his STOCK HEATSINK was passively cooling it almost as well as a 7700k with an AIO.

>>60111965
Don't know, just say that checking their website was the first thing that crossed your mind.

>>60111785
ASUS will RMA it directly, I'm sure.

The store probably just wants to fuck with you so they don't have to bother with the hassle of doing RMA themselves.

>>60111982
>Are really Corsair RMX that crappy
See >>60111880
The higher quality series are good I guess

>>60111977
>>60111989
ja genau, ich habe gedacht da in den nächsten monaten noch etwas budget reinkommt kann ich in folgender reihenfolge upgraden: CPU, Ram 8 GB, SSD

>>60111816
Corsair has a number of different PSU lines - some are good quality and some are shit. Rather than try to sort out the mess people just avoid Corsair PSUs altogether.

>>60111975
https://www.mindfactory.de/search_result.php?search_query=rx+580&x=0&y=0
Paid today with usually slow bank transfer but I got the delivery confirmation a few hours later. Very nice.

>>60111005
He gets reported and they delete his posts, but for some reason they don't ban him after repeated deletes.

That or he's ban evading.

>>60111016
>>60111032
You're GPU is still okay-ish. A 280 right?
Just get one of the Ryzen 5.
>>60111090
Yes the B350M Prime is fine. Gaming 3 and Pro 4 are also good.

>>60111593
>damage control

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>>60112002
>>60112011
ok il hope for the best thanks for the help appreciate it.

>>60111981
>1920 x 1200
Doesn't really exist anymore.
>Samsung C24FG70
Fast high refresh rate good for gaming but VA panel makes it good for other things as well
>ViewSonic XG2401
Uses the same 144Hz panel most of the industry is using but has better calibration out of the box. TN so probably slightly better image quality in motion than the VA but less accurate colors and viewing angles so it is a little shitty at anything other than gaming.

>>60112032
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B071D978Y6/?tag=pcp05-21

>>60100646
Will be R3 be the next budget king?

4c/4t for $100-150?

>>60112032
Does this site ship to europe with free shipping?

Always wanted to chech them but I cant read german well enough and they dont have an english version.

>>60112074
>https://www.amazon.de/dp/B071D978Y6/?tag=pcp05-21
>4GB
check the prices on mindfactory for that, the one you showed is 13 euro cheaper there

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I know nothing about building a pc and this is my first build. would like it to last some time.
I'm not planning on overclocking and i'll be playing at 1080p 60Hz.
What would be a good motherboard?
This build would use a 550w or 600w psu or less?

I've been think about updating my i5 2320 for a while. Would I see any improvements by switching to a new 7600k?

Also I found this mobo:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132855

$180 - $40 promo - $25 rebate = $115

Good deal? I was told to stay away from Asus

>>60112082
i searched it up and its 20-30 euros unfortunately

>>60112108
>from an i5 to another i5
>"upgrade"
ayy lmao

>>60112082
>Does this site ship to europe with free shipping?
No. Scroll down to Versand ins Ausland.
https://www.mindfactory.de/info_center.php/icID/11

>>60112117
That's my question. is there any difference in i5's that are 5 years apart

>>60112144
Yes, pretty damn big difference

>>60112144
Not much, you're sidegrading at best to a CPU that's essentially the same but clocked a bit higher.

>>60112144
You should be looking to replace it with the R5 1600

Alright, I am back, can someone suggest me a good monitor and motherboard that won't make me go over 950?
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/zTKT9W

>>60112167
>R5 1600
wat is this meme?

>>60112178
Also, do i need a cpu cooler with and AMD?

>>60112187
New AMD hotness

>>60112095
550w PSU will handle that perfectly well, even 500 or 450w would.
If you want that to last some time then the similarly 6 cores 12 threads R5 1600 would be a much better option. Performs the same if not better in games but has 2 more cores and 8 more threads, so quite a lot more headroom for any application you're running and quite more headroom for future games that will be more and more demanding over time as always.
i5s are constantly near their limit while playing AAA recent games, you can notice that in any i5 vs r5 1600 videos that shows live cpu usage.
Also, LGA 1151 is a dead platform already, which means whatever interesting CPU that comes out will force you to buy a new motherboard if you want it. So for upgrade path, when you want to get a better CPU in the future, it's either buy a new mobo or buy an old LGA 1151 that isn't that much better. Meanwhile AM4 is a 2 months old platform and new (better) CPUs for it are already planned for 2018.

>>60112144
It depends on your GPU.
Anything weaker than a 480 or 1060 and you'll probably only notice the difference in a few titles.
Battlefield, GTAV those sorts of ones.
If you've got patience like that you might want to consider ryzen though. i5s have the gaming crown currently but the 1600 has easily twice the raw performance of the 7600K so it's value is in the future.
A 7600K is definitely an upgrade though. at stock it should be around 50% faster in single and multithreaded.

>>60111849
Seeing as what you got for those other parts, I'd guess you can get about $1000 for the ALIENWARE.

>>60111912
Solid build except getting an 8GB RX580 when it'll be bottlenecked so much.
Don't you have RX470s going on sale for under 150 euros?
>>60112080
Meh. I don't think so. The 1400 is pretty mediocre even for $170 and they'll be worse.
A 3c/6t APU under $100 would probably be the budget king. Looks like the 4c/4t will still be over $115 which is too much.

>>60112095
>i5
>bottlenecking the fuck out of a 1070
no
>What would be a good motherboard?
A B350.
>This build would use a 550w or 600w psu or less?
450w is more than enough, but you can get 550.

>>60112187
Google it.

A little off topic, i know, but there isnt a thread up right now for it.

When you boot up a freshly completed computer, what are the first things you install onto it? What would /pcbg/ consider "Must-Have" software for windows?

>>60112237
I have a 660. I haven't upgraded in a few years. finally got a big boy job and can afford to spend some money. Should I consider just going with the i7?

ive always been weary of AMD. Have they stepped up their game?

can someone pls help me pick a case i'm considering either razer h440 or corsair air 540, i've never built a PC before and I need something that looks relatively neat but is also easy to manage for a noob like me

>>60112178
>>60112191
>>60112178
>>60112191

It's a 1080p card amico just get any 1080p monitor with a decent refresh rate and good reviews. Yes you will need a cpu cooler with the 1600x.

Look for a mobo with decent overclocking and one that supports a higher ram speed.

>>60112245
>"Must-Have" software
Linux

>>60112144
Yes. The question should be whether that difference is worth upgrading for. The answer to this question is, in your case, most likely yes.
Not so much because you're going to a newer generation, but more so because you're going from a locked processor to an unlocked one that you can overclock. DDR4 and newer features on the Kaby Lake platform help as well, but talking raw CPU performance you're not getting a particularly huge improvement.

That said though, if you're at all considering buying an i5, you should instead take a look at the Ryzen 5 lineup. Unless you specifically need the marginally higher single thread performance of an i5 to push as many frames as possible in meme games like CS:GO, you'll be better served with a Ryzen 5 1600.

>>60112262
They've stepped their gpu game long ago, that's why the vast majority of GPUs you'll see in pcpartpicker links here are AMDs

If you're weary of AMD because your friends told you so there's not much reason for you to be here

>>60112245
>Browser of your choice
>7zip
>Whatever other software that performs a function that you need

>>60112280
>If you're weary of AMD because your friends told you so there's not much reason for you to be here

Nope just weary from when I used to browse /g/ a few years ago. Maybe it was just the intel shills that got me.

>>60112243
used 470s average 180€ sold on ebay... some few for 150 though but that was weeks ago

>>60112245
Cpu-z , coretemp (or something else to see temps) , msi afterburner for a non retarded fan profile on gpu.
7-zip , mpc-hc , cccp codec pack , libreoffice , malwarebytes.
>gayman
Steam

>>60112305
Well, up to 2 months ago amd cpus were a bad choice. But things happens, new architectures are released, and now Intel is generally the worse choice, unless very low end or very high end. At least that's the opinion that is generally agreed on here.

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>>60112095
Get a "real" wireless card. The TP-Link one is really cheap.

It looks like you are on PC Part Picker and it'll tell you at the top how much power your build will use. So get something above that number when you finish your build.

For a motherboard I would use Asus and make sure the CPU socket size is correct.

(the image is my first build's power and I ended up getting a 620W PSU probably overkill but it works)

>>60112262
They have. The Zen architecture actually has higher perf/watt than anything Intel has right now, it's just games aren't particularly well optimised for it.
They perform around the same or slightly worse than a 7600K at stock but the 7600k can overclock so it still has the advantage.
An i7 will have more staying power than a i5 though and the 7700K is currently the best gaming CPU available no challenge.

>>60112339
>at stock but the 7600k can overclock so it still has the advantage.
so can the (any) ryzen cpus, just not as high unfortunately.

>>60112305
No it's not shills, there are pros and cons to choosing either right now it's just about what you do/want and how long you plan to take to upgrade and shit, and also AMD's previous batch of CPUs were such total shit you weren't being shilled. Until the last couple months there really was no choice but intel, but now there's at least a choice.

>>60112330
>>60112339
>>60112237

Alrite cool. I'll just spend an extra $100 and get the i7-7700k. But as >>60112214 pointed out, 1151 is outdated now. Would I be better off just waiting for the next architecture to release?

>>60112272
>as many frames as possible in meme games like CS:G
Eh. Doesn't The 1500X at 4Ghz still get like 250+ fps in CSGO?

Even in those games you need high framerates, it doesn't let down.
And on the highly CPU intensive games, it does better.

what case do i get?

How is it biostar for overclock and in general?

>>60112419
Sandy Bridge i5's are still worth using.
the current line up are all fine.

if your screen only supports 60fps.... there are many cheaper options.

>>60112413
Well if you're not getting a new GPU yet, yeh hold off.
You should upgrade your GPU first, your cpu is definitely not reaching it's full potential with a 660.
A 470 or 460 would work or 1050ti if you want nvidia that should let you play most games at 40-60fps with some settings tweaking and then when intel price drops or vega turns out to be cool and nvidia price drops or intel's new cpus are ballin, whatever, then check back here and see if the recommendations have changed.
If you get a mid range GPU on sale you proabbly wont even lose much hocking it off on ebay too and whatever you lose is a reasonable price to pay for not being blindsided by a industry development.

>>60112460
Ill admit Im shilling here, but I like the Define R4 and R5 a lot. Get one on sale.

>>60112477
>Ill admit Im shilling here
You can't be a shill if you admit to it, then it's just marketing

>>60112476
Alrite man, thanks for all the help and everyone else that contributed. i appreciate it

>>60112413
There's multiple choices, all viable

1. Get current undisputed best gaming cpu, 7700k. It heats a lot and requires an aftermarket cooler, but achieve the best fps of all when paired with a GPU that doesn't bottleneck it (so if you get a GTX 1060 - 1070, you won't see much advantage in getting it). It's however on the already dead LGA 1151 so no upgrade path at all, and is a quite old architecture so 0 software improvement
2. Get r5 1600(x), considered second best gaming CPU because it's has the best performance per dollar, has a lot of headroom left for other applications to run as it has 6 cores 16 threads, at an i5 7600 price. Performs slightly better than i5 in games, much better at everything else (multitasking or anything that enjoys having lots of available cores and threads). It's on newly released AM4 platform and already has 3 upgrade available to it, although only one of them is really worth the money. It's also on a ground new architecture so the software is very immature, which you can see either as bad for unstabilities or good for future improvements (that we've already seen and will keep seeing)
3. Wait until H2 when Intel releases the 10nm die shrink of Kaby Lake, which will be named Cannon lake. Will perform worse than current Kaby Lake by Intel claims.
4. Get R7 1700, which offers 8 cores 16 threads for 7700k price, while not requiring an aftermarket cooler at all and performing within 10% of it in gaming in the case you aren't GPU bottlenecked, and has an enormous amount of headroom left while gaming. Also on AM4 platform and newly architecture so it can and will only get better. Great at anything that scales with core, worse than 7700k at anything that doesn't scale past 6 ~ 8 threads.

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>>60112144
Not really. I'd get a 3770 or a xeon 1270v2 and a new gpu for your board and you'll be good till next gen.
>>60112158
ipc gains matter quite a bit. this can match a 2500k @ 4.5 and hardly match a kaby lake at 3.6. UB doesn't take bclk into account, it's actually running at ~4.0 all cores.

>>60112305
Na it wasn't shills. Their CPUs were just bad value then unless you got one of those sales where you'd get an FX-8300+motherboard for $100.
They didn't have enough single core performance, which still matters.

I wouldn't have recommended a construction core CPU either. Though I also wouldn't have recommended an i5 the past 2 years, either, as intensive games pretty much all use Hyperthreading well now days.

>>60112413
7700k isn't necessarily "the game gaming CPU".
That's only if you measure by average framerate, which it does do best at, then sure.
But sensibly, you'd measure by the minimums and consistency. How smooth the frame-time graph is. How few frame-time outliers there are. How little it locks up.
By that metric, the Ryzen 6 cores are the best gaming CPUs overall outside of a few buggy outliers like Watch Dogs 2, or using an Nvidia GPU in DX12 or Vulkan.

Even the Intel 8 and 10 cores have some stuttering problems, apparently, in many popular games. 75+ms locks. It seems like an architecture problem. But the data on that isn't conclusive. It could just be issues in the computer set ups of these professional tech analysts.

>>60112468
>Sandy Bridge i5's are still worth using.
No they aren't. I have a 2500k overclocked. Very unsmooth in lots of newer games. A stutterfest at times.

>>60112532
Not him, but do i need an external cooler for the 1600x?

>>60112587
1600x comes without cooler, and yes you do need one
1600 comes with a cooler and doesn't need one, nor does it heat much

>>60112587
>him
dont assume genders

>>60112587
You know you could easily look at the retailer page which lists whether it comes with a cooler or not, generally.

>>60112587
>i can't read basic product informations
Maybe you're better of with an iMac™.

best gpu around $300 for playing runescape?

>>60112597
>nor does it heat much
You have no idea how happy i am to hear this about AMD CPUs again.
It's been so long.

Total fucking noob here.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7V7CmG/intel-cpu-bx80662i76700

Do i need a CPU fan for CPUs im not planning on overclocking? ive seen some builds that only have case fans using this CPU, but im not for sure if thats how it works. thanks in advance, /g/.

>>60112622
Nvidia GT240 in quad SLI.

>>60112642
>Do i need a CPU fan
yes. always. no matter what anyone tells you

>>60112642
>current year
>buying 6700
Get a R5 1600, alao comes with a decent cooler in contrary to tha piece of shit metal junk Intel pack with it's CPUs.

>>60112642
>Do i need a CPU fan for CPUs im not planning on overclocking?
For some since they dont always come with coolers.
That one does though.
For intel the "K" series dont come with coolers and for AMD the "X" series don't. for example, your i7 6700 and an AMD R5 1600 come with coolers but a i7 6700K and a R5 1600X dont

- Intel Core i7 2.93 Ghz
- 4 Gb RAM
- NVIDIA GeForce 310

Why would you build a computer with such a CPU and then put that meme graphic card and little RAM??

The brand is Medion.

>>60112642
The majority of CPUs comes with bundled coolers, so buying one isn't needed. For those that do not come with coolers (intel K cpus, Ryzen X cpus), yes you need to buy one alongside your cpu.
Only exception is R5 1500x

>>60112691
who r u talking 2?

>>60112680
With the difference that Intel bundles garbage coolers that get toasty even at stock clocks and the AMD Spire models are decent even for mild OCing

>>60112672
To be fair that's a pretty decent price.
I would pony up the extra for a 6700K and a heatsink though because in a couple of years when you want to sell it a K series chip will sell for a lot more than a non-unlocked CPU.

>>60112680
>X CPUs don't come with a cooler
Guess the Wraith Sphire AMD packs with the 1500X is pure illusion then.

>>60112706
exception don't make the rules

>>60112702
Yeah it's a shame, the stock heatsinks that came with sandy bridge were great.
One of the big wow moments of sandy bridge was 4GHz+ overclocks on stock coolers.

>>60112706
Oh you're right i didn't notice that.

>>60112701
à toi

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FtPkPs

Upgrading from 5yr old rig. Want a 1440p 144hz gaming PC with possible VR down the road. Australian here so I'm getting fucked on the price anyway.
Could anything be improved or replaced? Is a 1080ti worth it?
I admit I have limited knowledge and am just going off an evenings worth of research and YouTube videos, any advice would be appreciated

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>tfw play on massive arma 3 servers
>tfw jewtel or ayyymd, framerates are suffering either way

>>60112717
It's simply wrong.

>>60112805
intel wins in arma 3 by a mile.

>>60112805
>Arma 3
>paying to play the DoD simulator used to recruit

>>60112828
not American, so who cares?
>>60112821
not sure you can call it winning, it's still pretty shitty

>>60112852
>Not American
Even better, holy shit

>>60112868
>Even better, holy shit
What did you mean by this?

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>>60112852
it still performs better.

i know you probably want every single person in this thread to buy ryzen and masturbate to it but if the guy cares so much about arma 3 then intel is a better choice.

>>60112642
Why would you get a locked 6700? It's worse than the 1500X, more money, less power efficient, and on a dead socket.

The 1500X is +/- 5% a locked 7700.

>>60112680
The cooler Intel CPUs come with are awful.

>>60112944
you misunderstand
I upgraded from an FX to a Skylake and things got much more bearable, but it's far from ideal

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>>60112717
AMD bundles them with 65W TDP CPUs. Doesn't matter whether they're X or not. It's 95W one that don't.

>>60112755
>trying to cool a 200w TDP housefire with a 212 EVO
not happening.
You also forgot the delid service.

>>60112821
Sure it does.

>>60112944
GOOD GOYIM post them day1 polish benchmarks!

>>60113000
What cooler would you recommend? I have no idea I was just going by what was popular

>>60113000
any source on this image?

best rx 570 that isn't the red devil?

>>60113000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yh9doMXt3I

>>60113110
The Tech Altar.

They did tons of tests. Nvidia threaded optimization on/off. Testing on an RX480 at lower resolution. Lots of different software.
And both machines were running 3200MHz RAM unlike those polinski scammarks.

>>60113242
>it's clearly a multithreaded engine as it's loading more than 8 threads.
>but you can cherry pick low-CPU intensive areas to make the 6700k go ahead compared to a stock 3.3GHz 1700 xDDD LOOK GUYS!!
Kill yourself, dumbass.

New thread

>>60113370
>>60113370
>>60113370

For non-overclockers between those, which one should I pick:
i7 6700,6700k, 7700, 7700k?

how important is ram clockspeed? whats a good clockspeed for budget ddr4?

>>60115226
After 2666 MHz, there are diminishing returns, so go with that.