/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Continuing from last thread.
I tried to disconnect the USB 1112 connector and it's still shows the same screen.
Please help I'm fucking exhausted I just want to finish with this and eat.

>heroes of the storm freezes on first combat

A new PC can't come soon enough.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/8YtyTH
Please tell me how bad of a starting point this is

Is this good for a productivity machine under £1000?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/V6dPHN

>>60098060
yes
what kind of productivity?

>>60097739
What do you guys think of this build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZTzj7h

>>60098189
Writing, music-producing, film-editing...basically all sorts of freelance work

>>60098252
then yeah it'll be great, no need for more

this worth the price?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-GV-RX570GAMING-4GD-256-Bit-Express-Graphics/dp/B071CQ4MMK/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1493310297&sr=1-4&keywords=rx+570

>>60097873
Idk senpai. Did you google it?

>>60098060
Seems awful.
You'd be better off with a single 16:10 or a 1440p monitor.
And you're spending a lot on a case when you don't have a good enough CPU or memory for video editing or musing production.

>>60098209
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZTzj7h
It's okay I guess. You could get a cheaper 1080 and faster memory.

>>60098443
>Gigabyte GPU
ehhhhh

friend wants a general production+vidya machine so I told him to get a 1600. however the store he's going to seems to be all out and he doesn't feel like ordering

what's the next best thing? the 4 core R5's don't seem worth it, the R7s and i7s are overkill+too expensive for him and similarly priced intel chips seem like terrible deals by comparison

his options are looking like
>spend more for a 1600X+cooler
>spend roughly the same on a 1500X+cooler
>downgrade to a 1400
>get a locked i5

>>60098486
Doesn't the ryzen meme only support up to 2400htz

>>60098506
release motherboards had shit firmware that didn't support most kits above that

I had that problem initially but after 2 weeks a BIOS patch came out that fixed the issue and now my 3000MHz kit is running just fine

>>60098496
Huh? How is a i7 overkill yet a 1500X isn't good enough?
The 1500X is +/- 5% of the locked i7-7700.

May as well just get a 1700, though. $300 with cooler included isn't much.

>>60098506
pls don't be dumb

>>60098536
Thanks

>>60098552
overpriced then, if not overkill

this is Canada so, the 1600 is 300 bucks and the i7 is like 440

thanks weedman

Ok, guy with the MSI mortar and new BIOS flashed here.

- No changes about the slow POST. Still takes from 10 to 20 seconds to "power on" the monitor and show the "press Del for BIOS" screen. After that it's business as usual with boot times.
- Gone from impossible to POST on anything higher than 2667 RAM to working at 2933 speed. Sometimes it whines and starts beeping the RAM sequence after power on trying once or twice but eventually POSTs without downclocking RAM to 2133.

Welp, better than nothing I guess.

If I get a 1600x what are my chances of hitting 4ghz or better under 1,4v ?

>>60098596
Well yeah, compared to the 1600 the 1500X seems overpriced...

>>60098650
>If I get a 1600x what are my chances of hitting 4ghz or better under 1,4v
Extremely high.
Taking 1.4v just to hit 4GHz before was largely down to immature BIOS overvolting.

>>60098486
what makes gigabyte gpus ehhhh worthy?
cant afford anything above £170 atm so i'd have to wait for another to lower in price before i can get a different rx570

this is what it'd be going into
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hrZW8K

Disgruntled Phanteks Eclipse P400S owner from previous thread here.

Is there any chance I can make those too small holes up front suck in more air? I'm at 2x140mm at front intake and 1x120mm back exhaust. It's slightly at negative pressure when the chassis fans are at similar RPM, just barely. Moving the 140mm intake fans right next to the little air intake holes near top and bottom didn't seem to help all that much.

Would changing to a weaker, more silent fan at exhaust be enough to fix it, or would it just fuck up the thermal properties of the chassis even more?

>>60098692
The run loud and hot without performance to back it up. Go read reviews?

If there isn't another RX570 within 15 bong of it, then get it I guess.

>>60098761
>Is there any chance I can make those too small holes up front suck in more air
Either you drill holes in the front, or you reverse the fans so you have your rear and top as intakes and front as an outtake.

Convection is meaningless and it's actually better to have fans blowing at your motherboard, and it keeps hot air from coming off your GPU and going over VRMs.

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Should I be a faggot and buy a Corsair Crystal case then stuff it with RGB stuff? Or should I buy a solid black case for my next build, no window.

>>60098996
it's okay to be a fag, anon.

>>60098816
Neither of those options sound very tempting. The whole idea of the fan composition was to have overpressure through filters so I wouldn't have to deal with dust as much.

>>60098053
pretty good. I would get a tomahawk though, or better prime

>>60099029
buy a new case lmao.
I warned you not to get that one in the previous thread.
Or just remove the exhaust fans entirely.

>>60099089
I'm pretty sure you're not the one warning me. The time I asked about that shit was like 2 months ago.

But yeah, starts to seem like that's the reasonable choice. I'll try a low RPM exhaust fan next and see if it's enough, but if even that fails it's time to get a new chassis.

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SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Fully-Modular ($54.90)
or
SeaSonic 550W 80+ Gold Semi-Modular ($69.90)

Which should I get?

>>60099139
you should GET LOST weeb

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I want to keep my linux and windows drives physically separated. I've decided to use a HDD selector to make switching boot drives easier.

For this setup, is there any way I could add a SSD to use as a page file drive that'll work with both linux and windows?

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>>60099186
>he says this while on 4chan

>>60099139
obviously gold.

>>60099188
make two partitions on ssd and assign them to needed OS?

>>60099139
Always go for a higher efficiency rating.. Semi modualrity is fine

>>60097739
>1070 'not worthwhile'
>amd is all you need anon!

cant wait for tuesday

>>60099017
Boy do I know it, I have a cute boyfriend with a nice hairy chest that I like to snuggle endlessly.

But I'm struggling with how gaudy an all glass case full of LEDs would look. I want to make them a comfy orange colour but part of me just wants a simple computer that I can't see inside. It's more effort when you build the thing to have matching parts.

>>60099309
what's on tuesday?

>>60099340
Why not settle for a middle ground with a case that has interchangeable side panels so you can switch between windowed and closed whenever you feel like it?

>>60099137
Oh that wasn't me then. Someone else was asking like a week ago.

>>60099139
The later but both often go on sale for $40-$50 if you want to wait a few days.

>>60099235
Grub can mess up windows partitions and other problems. You want two different drives for installs.
I think a switch is silly, though..

>>60099309
think about it, price difference between 1070 and 1080 is so small now you may as well go 1080

>>60099309
>1070
>200% more money than an RX570
>25-45% more performance
>an extra $50-$400 for Gysnc
>A 1080 is only about 15-25% more money
Yes, it's not worthwhile. Fuck off, dumb shill.
inb4
>muh power consumption!!!! 480watt GTX 480 was okay but 175 watts for RX570 perf is too much!!!!

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Will the monitors I picked bottle neck my video card?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Dwadalin/saved/#view=7x83CJ

>>60099425

They are AOC I2269VW 21.5" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitors

>>60099387
>Grub can mess up windows partitions and other problems
I meant partitions for page file, can't you assign page file on different partition for OS?

>>60099370
Does such a case exist?

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So let me see if I got this right. If my rig has an expected power draw of 350W, I should look for is 500W power supply?

And on a worst-case scenario, what happens if it ends up needing more than what I have?

>>60099472
Whenever you see a case that has both window and no window options, more often than not you can buy the other one's side panel separately.

>>60099513
>I should look for is 500W power supply?
Sounds reasonable, yeah. You generally don't want to run your PSU at its peak, efficiency tends to drop and it may also result in increased wear & tear.
>what happens if it ends up needing more than what I have?
Eh, kind of depends. It could trip some sort of protection on the PSU and make it shut down, or maybe it wouldn't be able to sustain appropriate voltage at its output and cause instability/crash your system or maybe your motherboard will detect that voltage levels are outside its tolerance and shut down/restart the PC.

>>60099419
thats true, but its not the point

>>60099424
>this amd mid tier gpu is better than this nvidia mid tier gpu anon!
>what do you need high end gpu for? just buy mid tier and buy amd!
>oh you really want some high end card? dont buy nvidia, just wait for vega!
>no of course I didnt buy amd stocks!

>>60099513
>And on a worst-case scenario, what happens if it ends up needing more than what I have?
Your computer will simply shut down itself during high load scenarios. Any modern PSU won't fry your stuff or itself if it cannot deliver enough juice.

Unless you've picked parts with a huge power draw like a 7700K you expect to delid and clock north of 4.8GHz combined with a GPU with 8+6 or higher power connectors, 500W will be fine unless you go bottom of the barrel cheap.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RLtyTH

build and forget kind of thing for 3-4 years?
1080 placeholder
yes. I need D15.

>>60098486
Tried to Google it,tried to remove everything and run only the Mobo with PSU connected to the inner GPU and it still says the same shit.
I'm completely devistated it's 9 pm I ate nothing all day and my hands are full of cuts.
It was nice trying to do everything myself but I'm taking it to the shop tommorow in hopes they would actually resolve it without dropping it all on me and charging for a new Mobo.
Don't think il ever build a PC myself again.

>>60099576
It's entirely about the heat and not the load.
Heat wears them down.

>>60099596
>thats true, but its not the point
Yes it is, retard. That's exactly the point. It's entirely about price/performance and what's best to fit someone's need.

>>60099672
Looks okay except for the 960 and D15. Oh, and how much that 1080 costs.
You mean you're going to get Vega? That's a Freesync monitor.
Don't put a 1080 in there put "Vega $500" or some shit as a custom part.

>>60099768
Did you plug in your case USB front panel connectors to the board wrong?

>>60099768
>Don't think il ever build a PC myself again.
I find this shit hilarious. I made my first PC when I was 13.
And yeah I had issues. I read my manual that listed the beep codes to point out the issue fine.

What's the cheapest board that has a digital read out for error codes, anyway?

>>60099768
what happened?

>>60099772
>except for the 960
what is wrong with it?

>>60099781
gigabyte, around $180

>>60099772
>It's entirely about the heat and not the load.
>Heat wears them down.
Hurr
PSUs generally aren't at their best efficiency near their max load and the power draw is greater. So it both draws more power AND a greater part of that power is dissipated as heat, you will absolutely get more waste heat. Even if efficiency didn't drop at all, you'd still get more heat simply because of the power draw.

90% efficiency at 100W wall power draw means 10W dissipated as heat in the PSU. If it's 1000W instead you get 100W as heat. If the efficiency goes down too (which happens pretty much universally) the difference would be even larger.

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>>60099783
Built new PC to turn it on and be greeted by this.

>>60099795
Read the OP.

>>60099847
No shit.
But if it's 90% efficient at 550 watt that's only 55 watts of heat. That's very little.
Unless your ambient temps are 35C+, its fan will keep it cool fine.

There's a number of people that have been running 420w Seasonic fanless PSUs at 500 or 600+ watt draw for years without them failing.
As long as you just have a decent PSU, you'll be fine running it at or above max load for a long time. 55w of heat is nothing for a decent one that also has a fan.

>>60099860
tried CMOS clear?
another one remove mouse leave kb

>>60097739
Do you think there will be another main series dual-GPU card again?

Like the GTX 690, or HD 7990?

>>60099188
Probably. You'd have to reformat the part you wish to allocate to paging or have wasted space allocated for the other OS's paging... It would also most likely defeat the point of having physically separate drives unless you could make them unwritable before the paging drive was reset to a sterile state

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>>60100032
How do I clear cmos?
Tried to Google it but it says to remove shunt from pins 1-2 to pins 3-4 on clrtc jumper.
I found this jumper problem is it has only 2 pins and no shunt.

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>>60100105
There was one planned in the R9 Fury line but never materialized. I guess either the power draw or the temperature was over the roof.

Also, it looks like we might be moving away from the dual GPU meme as DX12 needs the game to be especifically programmed for that and cannot be bruteforced by drivers like in DX11 and earlier. Ashes does it but AFAIK no other title tried to do it, so maybe that was part of the reason. You just couldn't sell such a product back in 2015 that only one or two DX12 games would take advantage of when they we full-on the DX12 bandwagon.

>>60100452
consult manual
usually it's unplug PSU, remove battery and short clear cmos terminals

>>60100452
best method if it's not posting. unplug psu, take out the battery, hit the pwr button a few times and wait 5 mins.
If you're overclocking ram etc and need to reset often. pull the case reset button wires and hook them to the clr rtc pins. You can also just use a screwdriver or something across the pins nooblet.

>>60099917
>No shit.
I'm not sure what you're arguing here really. Higher load will lead to more heat, no matter what, which then has to be dealt with and may or may not end up by increasing wear.

>>60100508
I'm pretty sure you only need to do one of the two. Either take out the battery and wait, or use a screwdriver or something to short the pins.

>>60100490
But it did come out
https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Professional-Workstation-Enthusiast-Graphics/dp/B01EFR43ZG

>>60100105
Vega x2 has been confirmed already, afaik.
NORMALLY it wouldn't come until next year as they normally come about 8 months later. But with Naples servers that have x32 lanes, I wouldn't be surprised to see them come this year.

>>60100490
Radeon Pro Duo is 2x Fiji. It beats the 1080Ti in DX12 games. Came out early last year or something.

>>60100639
Thanks, I had no idea they just left it on the Pro line. No wonder it hasn't ever appeared in gaming benchmarks, that's why I thought it never happened.

>>60097739
>want to stay below 800 euro
>gaming (non aaa titles)
>browsing
>programming
>dual booting linux & wangblows (for gaems)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6LRyTH

GPU will be the rx 560 because I mostly play those "e sport" games, and the psu will be

https://geizhals.de/be-quiet-pure-power-9-cm-400w-atx-2-4-bn266-a1407719.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

(pcpartpicker doesn't know that one). Swapped the msi motherboard for the asrock one, is that a better choice?

>>60100705
They didn't send them to reviewers and shit, and reviewers didn't buy their own.
It's mainly a workstation card. The Crossfire didn't work well at first, too.

But once drivers were updated.. it could do 4K 50+ fps compared to the like 35 of a GTX 1080 in games like The Division.
It actually makes me think that maybe I should consider a Vega X2 if it's around $1000.

>What to upgrade from my r9 280x crossfire setup
>Almost all the games don't support crossfire or do it shitty
>Most gtx 1070s are $400, with the lowest lowest being $370
>r9 fury non x no longer at $270 at Amazon
>Still no vega
What should I do, wait? I don't really want to buy the 1070 since it's too expensive, however the gtx 1060 and the rx 580 aren't an good enough upgrade.

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I need case suggestions, please. I'm so stuck as to what to get.

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>>60100962
An RX570 should be about 65-100% faster.
If you want more than that (I'm in the same boat with a 7970 and want to go up to 4K), then wait for Vega.

>>60101044
Jonsbo VR2 or UMX3.

>>60100526
Took out battery waited 10 min put it back.
Now it turns on but just shows black screen.
I'm completely lost

>>60101105
Try using the iGPU you sperg. Does your motherboard not have any video outputs?

>>60101148
I connected it into the built in card.
It showed input before the reset.

>>60101087
>$150 case
No thanks.

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>>60101184
Lian Li PC-Y6

>>60101183
Actually I'm retarded and forgot to connect the 16 pin.
But it still gives me USB over current so the reset didn't helped.

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>>60101278

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Tell me one (1) reason why I should upgrade from a 2500k.

>>60101387
Because you didn't get the 2600k for future proofing.

>>60101414
Yeah, well it was double in price and almost zero difference in muh gaymes.

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>people getting the 7700k
why

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>>60101278
It's shit, pham.

>>60101637
>gaymers getting the best gaymer cpu on the market
i wonder

>>60101637
undisputed single thread king

arguably a niche product

what 144hz max 24" freesync monitor do you recommend?

>>60101671
>arguably a niche product
that's exactly what surprises me, it's a niche product for people who need the best of the best singlethreaded performance on 8 threads, yet i keep seeing retards getting it for their gaymurr build
Unless you're among the ones that need the best of the best singlethreaded performance, the r7 1700 just seems like a much better choice to me. I mean, fuck, double the cores, you can have all the programs you want running alongside your gta v or watch dogs 2 or whatever they play and you're not forced to buy a $60 cooler in order to actually profit from these performances as opposed to the highly clocked, highly heating 7700k, but yet everyone jumps on the 7700k as if it was constantly the better choice and as if their shitty rx 480 or gtx 1060 aren't gonna bottleneck them. On top of that, the R7 1700 isn't on a dead platform
it just doesn't make sense to me. But maybe that's just me

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>>60099424
>ironically shilling this hard

take your Nvidia sponsored (You)™ my friend, it is all yours!

>>60097739
>https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/V6dPHN
Is this a good machine for maxing games out at 1440p 144hz?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3qxmHN

I'm in the US and don't really have a budget. I also need to find a good monitor.

are powercolor cards worthwhile or no?

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URGENT:

Ordering parts in the next hour, I don't want the stock spire cooler for my R5 1600. I can grab Thermaltake Contac Silent 12 for $25, it looks decent, but there are no real reviews on it. Can anyone tell if it's a clip on with the pre-installed Ryzen mobo brackets? I'm using Asrock Pro4 ATX B350

>>60101489
No, it was $300 compared to $200. That's 50% more.

I got a 2500k too. Couldn't justify the 2600k at the time. Now I regret it. 4c/4t sucks ass now.

>>60101780
People don't know how to read into the data from benchmarks correctly. And many benchmarks are done in an intentionally misleading way.

>>60102219
MG279Q is a pretty good 1440p IPS for $550, but it's Freesync.

>>60102430
Red Devil very much so, Red Dragon no.

>>60102467
If there aren't reviews I wouldn't trust it. Many Thermaltake coolers severely underperform what you'd expect.

>>60102467
Noctua has come out with special edition AM4 compatible coolers. Use whatever budget option they have.

>>60102488
>If there aren't reviews I wouldn't trust it

Do you know any good black/white coolers for ~$25? I don't need something that gets me 4ghz OC, just want it to be quiet.

>>60102559
A Cryorig H7 is only $35 I think?
For $25, I don't know. That Cooler Master Tower Pro 4 or whatever the fuck it's called.

Most will require sending for a bracket and waiting for it to come. Noctua has some as >>60102512 mentioned but they're so expensive, ugly, and overrated.

Apparently Le Grande Macho as long as they were manufactured in 2017 already have AM4 brackets included. That is 140w passive with no fan but that's like $65.

>>60102670
>ugly
So buy the industrial fans, they're black.

2.5'' HDDs are still able to work in PCs, right? I can't seem to find a reason they wouldn't.

>>60102670
I am now leaning towards the H7, but it seems like overkill and it's a bit out of my budget. If there is nothing else, I may have to bite the bullet and get it. I just don't know if I can wait for the bracket. How long does it take to ship do you think?

Noctua is too expensive and, as you say, ugly. I should also note I am in Canada, so part availability is limited. I can't find Le Grande Macho.

cant wait till my g4560+rx580+rest arrives and i can

>>60102744
build my first rig

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https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/tNVQ9W

How's this for a build?
I wanted a Taichi but it costs 270€ in Europe, I have no idea why. Even the Asus Crosshair VI Hero is cheaper.

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>>60102711
Yes but he said $25. A D12 and a different fan is like $60.
Might as well get a le grande macho at that point.

>I am now leaning towards the H7, but it seems like overkill and it's a bit out of my budget.
Yeah it's overkill. Most 125-140W TDP coolers are going to run at low RPM and very quiet.

I got a Cryorig C1 myself for the quietness without being too heavy and I prefer down-blowers. 140mm fan. Black and white. Very nice looking. But it was $60 and I'm still waiting for my AM4 bracket.

There is the Cryorig C7 that's under $30. It's tiny. Only a 92mm fan. But if you're under 1.25V or running a 1700 stock it should cool perfectly fine and reasonably quietly. It's a far smaller cooler than the H7 so it's not going to be as quiet.

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Is the OC edition of this GTX 1060 worth the extra 10 Euromonies or is this just marketing bullshit.

Are SSD's getting more expensive? The one i was going to buy for my first rig just went up $15 and now im panicking i dont know if i should buy it now before it goes up again or wait for it to go back down

>>60103025
They go up and down all the time. But if it keeps increasing it's probably market collusion again.

Hello friendly pals I am here with my first build ever, i'll have you know i am shit so feel free to advice what to do, here's the link
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/NpctBP

>>60103025
Wait for black friday. MX300 1.1TB was $200 on the last one.

I couldn't wait and got the ADATA SU800 1TB for $250 instead. 25 cents a GB is still decent.

>https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/NpctBP
>i5
>Freesync monitor with proprietary GPU
?

What Graphics card should I get if I want to play games on 1080p@75hz?

The monitor that I have rn is LG-22MP68VQ-P (21.5" 1920 x 1080) but I'm planning on adding another one in the future.

My CPU is going to be R5 1600 so I don't think getting Nvidia would be a good idea

>>60103289
What do you suggest then my friend

Is the list of stores to buy parts from on pcpp good?

>>60102873
Unfortunately, I can't wait for a bracket. I'll go stock now and swap it out later if needed. H7 does look like a great cooler though, it just became available in Canada through Amazon.ca. C7 I liked, but it's not available in Canada.

Thanks for the help.

>>60097739
Do you guys think we can expect Coffee Lake anytime soon?

>>60103207
Italian? How does it feel to know that one of the best pirate groups is from Italy, CPY.
You don't need to buy windows 10. Pirates on /g/ have been activating windows 10 pro using microsoft toolkit after the upgrade ended.
It's a bad time to buy any intel that is an i5.
120GB SSD is no longer enough for an OS drive on Windows. Get 240GB and up.

ssds are so fugging expensive here in germany.

>>60103413
Forget brand for a moment and focus on the technology inside the SSD. What controller? What kind of NAND?

>>60103396
Indeed I am italian
Well i put a w10 in it just to finish the build, i will pirate it.
What cpu should i buy? A Ryzen 5 1400?

>>60103322
RX570 will do most games at that. But there's a few that you will have to turn settings down to high or medium. Games tend to still look good at those settings, though. Like look at Crysis on "medium" vs "ultra".

>>60103353
I'd get the Le Grande Macho as they can come with brackets. It's above your price range but.. seems to fit what you want.

>>60103355
I think Q4 but I'm not sure the rumors about a 6core are true. If they are true, it'll surely mean a new socket and chipset.

>>60103436
either

2D-NAND TLC and Silicon Motion SM2256
or
2D-NAND TLC and Phison

both tlc so regular consumer stuff.

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>>60103477
No, the 1400s aren't worth it.
You posted a 281 ducat CPU.
I'd say you can afford to buy the 1600X. Or you can save money and get the non-X version, the difference being you have to overclock manually if you want to overclock.
All Ryzen are overclockable. There is no locked chip, unlike Intel.

>>60103526
2D NAND doesn't seem worth it when 3D NAND is out.
Avoid Phison controller. Taiwan garbage.

Is the upgrade from a 4790k to the lastest intel cpu worth it? How much better is it for gayming?

>>60103477
A 1500X will generally match the 7600k for less money.
But the 1600 will generally beat it heavily when you go by the metrics, which is frame pacing and minimums, while still being cheaper. But you'll need to overclock.

Replace the GPU with an RX570 4GB if it's for 1080p. Well.. I guess depends on price. Here in the US it's like a 35% difference in price for an RX570 4GB and RX580 8GB so not worth it for 1080p. If it's only like a 10-15% difference in price, then maybe get the RX580.

Is there any reason to upgrade from my 4690K when I have a 1070 and a 1080p/144hz monitor? I've been getting an urge to get an i7 lately but I feel like it wouldn't benefit me much.

Here's my setup I have in mind, I dunno which RAM to get, looking at 16gb. I'm also not sure what SSD to get. Looking to game at 1440p, might consider a 1080p 144hz monitor in the future. Yes, I am planning on OCing but nothing too crazy like 5ghz. What do you guys think?

OS: Win10
CPU: i5 7600k
GPU: EVGA 1080 FTW
Motherboard: ASUS Prime Z270-A
RAM: n/a
Storage: n/a

>>60103665
>CPU that can't keep over 60fps without constantly stuttering, dropping frames, and causing shit frame pacing
>paired with a $450 GPU

>>60103636
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/fcat/downloads
Download FCAT and see for yourself.
Maybe what you play makes it not matter, or your eyes are just bad.

>>60103820
I probably could've bought an i7 for another $100 but I don't do any video editing and it doesn't improve gaming that much from what I heard.

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What's a good 1080p 60hz-120hz monitor to pair with an r9 390? Pic related

Barracuda 2tb is going for the same price as WD Black 1tb
Which one would you all recommend? It's not going to be a boot drive, I already have a SSD but I will be using this for games.

>>60103665
Get 3000MHz RAM

>>60103636
No benefit, at least almost none

>>60103625
7600K has a higher average framerate than the 1500X with an overkill gfx card like the 1080Ti at 1080p. Most people will want the 4C/8T AMD CPU because it is as good or better than the i5 7500

Alright fags. I've been through several hundred variations on this build before settling on this. Yes, I know the graphics card is underpowered, but it beats the recommended settings in 90% of the games I'll play. There's only 2 game I play it doesn't meet the recommended requirements of, but bypasses the minimum requirements. Plan is to eventually upgrade to a RX480/580 or whatever the top Vega card is when it releases.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y4TT9W

I actually went to the motherboard's website and picked ram and an SSD that were tested on that motherboard just to ensure maximum compatibility since Ryzen seems to be finicky about shit.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LbgcvV

what should i change before buying this? budget is around $3500

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>>60101044
I NEED HELP JESUS CHRIST SOMEONE AHHHHHHHHHH

>>60104306
Buy this with me

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LbgcvV

>>60104073
If it's not important shit, the Seagate is fine. But the WD Black will be faster.

>>60104306
Name a price range or I'm going to recommend nothing but Fractals like the Define S blackout or the R5 blackout.

>>60104311
>$135
Too expensive for me, sorry.
>>60104314
$60-$80
Preferably with a side window and HDD caddies.

>>60101044
>>60104306
That depends. What do you need in a case?

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>>60104014
Or you could have gotten a 1500X or 1600 for less money.

>doesn't improve gaming that much from what I heard.
You heard wrong. The i7 is 20-50% better on the minimum framerates clock-for-clock when it matters.
Yes, HT doesn't always do anything. But when it does is when it matters, in CPU demanding games that really need it.

Maybe you should have done your research instead of hearing things from leddit. Digital Foundry has a good video comparing the two.

>>60104338
>$60-$80
>Preferably with a side window and HDD caddies.
anything else? 5 1/4: drive bays for optical drives? Motherboard type?

>>60104269
>averages
enjoy your average life
your average girlfriend
your average penis
your average intellect
your average sexual performance
your average job
your average education
kill urself

>>60104338
>Preferably with a side window
This is an 18+ site, mate.

>>60104338
NZXT S340
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16811146253
It even comes in colors. numerous reviews praise this thing.

>>60104339
Sub-$100, ATX sized, side window, and a front I/O and power button if possible.
>>60104351
Won't need optical drives. ATX mobo form factor.
>>60104362
I can do without one. I'm not autistic.

>>60104338
>$60-$80
NZXT S340, these have windows
NZXT Source 210 Elite, no windows

>>60104381
Don't the HDDs rest directly on the metal in that case, instead of on a tray?

>>60104289
Get a 1440p for the other monitor and get a 12 or 16 core.
And get a Seasonic fanless PSU.
And don't buy retail windows, cuck.

>>60104338
>>60104382
Carbide 88r.
Get mATX you retard. You're never going to fill those PCI slots. Mainstream chipsets don't even have enough PCI lanes for all that fucking shit.

>>60104400
>Get a 1440p for the other monitor and get a 12 or 16 core.

Should it be 1440p 144hz? Which 12 or 16 core should I get?

2x4GB 2666 MHz or 1x8 3000MHz?

>>60104400
The mATX board I want is out of stock. I would get an mATX board if I could.

>>60104395
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65-pqVTykMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cNWOgbEXMI

>>60104412
If its for ryzen get the 3000mhz, if not get the 2666mhz.

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Honestly I don't know if this goes in this thread but since I'm dealing with the OS from a gaming-performance perspective I'll post it here first.

>get a new PC, Ryzen 5 1600 + RX480 + 16GB RAM build (thank you all /pcbg/ anons, this shit rocks)
>always used non-VM Windows 7, but installed Windows 10 Pro because it is supposedly better optimized for games
>i heard all the horror stories, yet thought I would be ready to tolerate W10's bullshit
>I was wrong
>appstore
>forced updates and apps
>telemetry and unpredictable updates eating up to 10% of my small 6mbps bandwidth and causing slowdows, at random
>can't use screensaver, minimize a game, or close a game without a 1 in 4 chance of getting stuck in blackscreen
>only sometimes it gets fixed by unplugging and plugging the fucking monitor, else I gotta reboot
>Active Hours™
>system speed decreased after only one day
>random chance of pirated stuff dissapearing
>random chance of any files dissapearing after updates
>mfw
Jesus fucking Christ I was definitely NOT ready for this bullshit.

I would have moved to Linux a long time ago, but gaming without issues is (was?) the only thing holding me back.
How much would moving to Linux + Windows 10 VM affect performance? Or is there any other solution?

>>60104427
Exactly why I didn't want to get that case.

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>>60097739

After 6 AMD card I bought my first GTX grapich card (Asus Strix 1080)

>Great Performance
>Okayish Overclock (Barely reached 2Ghz turbo)
>Low Temperature (Stress Test: 71 C° Max, hovers around 64-68 C° during gameplay, Default Fan profile)

GeForce experience is a lot smoother, than Crimson, but I think AMD got a lot better since 2013.

That being said Freesync was broken for me for months, also my 390 decreased its performance sincs 16.7 version (Went from Heaven 1470 to 1300 score)

Also I don't know if Vega will be good or bad, but it will be overpriced in my shitty country. Aint going to wait extra 3 months for a decent price

I don't miss Freesync

>>60104278
bump

>>60104289
1800x
seasonic platinum+ psu
1440p 144hz instead of 4k at 30fps
get a better mobo with built in wifi

>>60104496
Missed the Question..

I would love to upgrade my cpu soon, but I heard Ryzen +Nvidia ain't the best mix. (as OP mentioned)

Has this been addressed yet or not

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Anyone here have any experience with using sysprep to migrate your current win7 build from one machine over to a more or less completely new build (safe for some re-used components like GPU mayhaps)?

Been meaning to get myself an i5/skylake budget build for a while now since i saw some decent offers for under 200 bucks earlier but i really dread setting up the workflow in win7 and all the programs completely from scratch again

The thing about that sysprep method is that there seems to be an awful lot that could go wrong where you could end up with both the migration and your current OS being botched, also is it true that your current win7 automatically deactivates itself upon using the sysprep tool?

If there was some surefire method of avoiding this i'd be down to go through with it and try it out but otherwise it seems a tad too risky

>>60099425
>21.5" 1920x1080 60Hz Monitor

Absolutely not. No way.

I used a Radeon 7850 2GB RAM and 3x 1080p 60Hz for years and years. Updated one to 1440p and that wasn't a problem. I started running out of vram for other reasons (OpenCL) so I upgraded to RX 470, still 1080p 1440p 1080p. No problem.

Those monitors will work totally fine with that video card.

>>60104407
Yeah you can get the MG279Q which is pretty damn nice for $550. It's freesync, though. There's a Dell Gsync for $600 I think. There's also cheaper 1440p 144hz IPS in the $400-$500 range.

>>60104412
2x4GB 2666MHz and hope you can manually OC it higher.
Dual channel is a 20%+ performance gain in many, many cases.

>>60104421
So wait for it to get back in stock. I only had to wait like a week AND it went on sale $15 cheaper.

>>60104463
>How much would moving to Linux + Windows 10 VM affect performance
KVM is only like a 1-5% performance drop. Almost nothing. Basically the difference of like 3200 and 2800 RAM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37D2bRsthfI
You need 2 GPUs and monitors to make the most of it, though. You just need some basic $25 one to run the Linux DE.
Otherwise you will lose video to your Linux desktop when you run Windows until you shutdown Windows.

>>60104497
>>60104278
3200mhz ram is 5 bucks more
>kingston
>evga

>>60099370
>>60099472
Sure, there are plenty of cases with different side-panels available but they never ship with them. And they are always expensive to buy separately. My current case as an example, cost me $120 and later they started offering it with or without a windowed side panel for that price but if I want to buy the windowed side-panel separately now it's $40.

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>>60104513
No.
Nvidia hasn't even acknowledged it yet.
>Just like they haven't acknowledged the RX580 having 95% the performance of the 1070 in proper DX12 games.

It's a problem on intel CPUs sometimes, too, though. Just inconsistent frame pacing in general that seems to be due to their driver. It just tends to be worse in some cases on Ryzen.
MOST of the time all you have to do is use the DX11 or OpenGL option which you should be using anyway. But some games are DX12 only. And some games coming up are Vulkan only. Both look like trends that'll continue.

Idk I'd just wait because you might find yourself wanting to upgrade the 1080 in a year when you see how many games are DX12/Vulkan only and it performs so poorly on them for what you paid. So you might end up wanting to get a 2600+Vega-refresh then anyway.

>>60104541
I mean I've been waiting and it hasn't been restocked. What mobo did you get?

>>60099513
I always go for a 650W when I could do with a 500W just to have some head-room and also because PSUs tend to wear and produce less over time so a 500W PSU may just be able to push 420W after 3 years.

Don't go overkill, though. There are some graphs out there that show how efficient various PSUs are at different loads. Generally they are most efficient around 50-70%. You don't want to be using a 1000W PSU on a system pulling 200W.

Heat and thus noise is another reason to go a little overkill on your PSU. A PSU rated at 650W will produce less heat pushing 350W compared to a 500W PSU.

If your computer needs / tries to pull more than the PSU can push then it will just turn off.

>>60104625
I got the AB350M Pro4.
Was like ~$47too. kek

>>60104661
That's exactly the one I'm looking at right now. Except it's sold out.

>>60104463
>How much would moving to Linux + Windows 10 VM affect performance? Or is there any other solution?
Install windows 7 by putting the USB 3.0/3.1 drivers in the burn disc or the USB install disc. You're going to need a cheap GPU for linux and another monitor if you're going to do a GPU passthrough.

What's the best budget build for me?
>Purpose
Gaming: 2017 games in High/Ultra/Max in 1080p@60fps with little to no compromises. I also emulate PS2 and PSP games.
>Country
USA
>Budget
$900 for the build, under $200 for monitor
>Res/hz
1080p@60fps

>>60104507
>>60104541

I'm actually retarded can you guys help me revise the build with the exact parts so I can just buy them all? GSync sounds nice so I will switch to the Dell. I would appreciate it.

Thank u

>>60104689
>1080p@60fps
RX 580 GPU for 120 to 144fps at 1080p.
I want to recommend an Intel CPU but the delidding requirement for temperature issues make me uneasy. See if you can pick up a Skylake for cheap.

>>60104689
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B2RxQV

You will have to drop settings in a few badly optimized games, Andromeda, Wildlands, etc. But that's the best you can get with 900$ unless you wanna get a 580 with a HDD instead. (stupid idea)

Find your own monitor.

>>60104723
No. Do it yourself.

>>60104730
How does the RX 580 compare to the 1060 (6 GB) and 1070?
>Skylake
Is Kaby Lake a good alternative?

>>60104689
Didn't know if you were saying for $900+monitor or $900 including the monitor so here is my take on it. You can easily cut down on the monitor or the GPU in order to cut down the price.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/h29dYr

>>60104541
>>60104677
Alright I definitely can't do a GPU passthrough. I guess my only options are either go back to Win7 or go to Linux and lose some performance?

>>60104779
I heard the Ryzen is bad with Nvidia gpus. I'll create a new pcpartpicker with the other suggestions and send it out

>>60104779
>>60104800
$900 for the build itself. Also, I'm kind of new to PCs, but why don;t these builds have CPU coolers?

>>60104278
Get a GTX 1050
Get reasonably priced 2933 or 3000MHz RAM (need to do research on this)
Get 240GB SSD

>>60104782
The 580 is better than the 1060. Kaby Lake is basically a Skylake rebrand...

>>60104800
I really wouldn't recommend a 250gb SSD, especially Sandisk, or 8gb of ram.

>>60104821
It is but not that bad. It'll probably be fixed sooner or later.

>>60104834
Because they come with stock coolers that are more than fine for moderate overclocks.

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>>60104809
>I guess my only options are either go back to Win7
AMD posted drivers for 7 on Ryzen. Now you need to learn how to slip them into the install.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11182/how-to-get-ryzen-working-on-windows-7-x64
https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/am4-chipset-driver.aspx

>>60104782
rx 580 is an overclocked rx 480, get the Sapphire Nitro+, 1411Mhz
krabbylake is no good

>>60104507
>>60104779

Okay, how is this?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jBZ7qk

>>60104862
>Because they come with stock coolers that are more than fine for moderate overclocks.
All right, sweet
>Kaby Lake is basically a Skylake rebrand...
So, which one should I get?

Ryzen users, what motherboards are you running and are you happy with what you got? Any quirks or bugs?

>>60104834
They come with them. In that case, here is the updated list.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HZfZKZ
>>60104862
Thanks for pointing that out, I fixed it in the build list.

>>60104342
>Between 20%-50% faster
Just that 20% will cost me $100 extra , the i5 7600k is about $350 CAD after HST/shipping since our exchange rate is shit. If I can play Witcher 3 at 124fps like that pic is showing with the 7600k then I'm OK with that.

>>60104896
i7 6700k is okay. May very well be one of the last good Intel CPUs for consumers in a long while.

>>60104906
The biggest problems were with launch mobos. Since then the BIOS problems have been fixed. Asrock Taichi is extremely popular.

please tell me what to fix in this build:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jBZ7qk

buying within the next hour

also need desk + chair recommendations :c

>>60104885
What the fuck are you doing? 1200 watt!? Try following our advice and not getting a completely retarded PSU...

>>60104896
Get the one that's more powerful? Why are you even asking when we're recommending Ryzen?

>>60104906
Get the ASRocks AB350 Pro4

>>60104917
You don't need corsair ram. Ripjaws is 10$ cheaper at 200mhz more.

>>60104884
>>60104917
>>60104948
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QYbwZ8

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B2RxQV

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HZfZKZ

Out of all these builds, which one is the most ideal? I honestly can't decide which one to get due to my inexperience.

>>60104991
Yes but corsair is reliable and works with almost every Ryzen CPU.

>>60104906
Asrock Ab350 Pro4 AMX. Solid as a rock. I haven't got around to overclocking yet, but on Windows 10 with a 1600, and after a bunch of tweaking (classic shell, removing cortana from the taskbar, removing notification button, etc), I'm pretty happy.

My mouse cursor disapears when I put my computer to sleep. That's one annoying thing, need to plug and replug in order to come back. Work around is to disable 'allow mouse to wake on sleep' and use keyboard instead.

Also my screen will occasionally black out when browsing pornhub (!!) I'm not sure if microsoft is screencapping my fetishes or what but it only happens on that site

One quirk I haven't been able to figure out which is mostly with my front case USB ports not working. I'm not sure if I missed plugging in a header to the mobo or whatever, but I'm going to look into it today.

>>60103618
>Is the upgrade from a 4790k to the lastest intel cpu worth it? How much better is it for gayming?
Nope. You're fine unless you really want 6 cores to help with other stuff.
No one on any 4c/8t really needs to upgrade.
Though a lot of people do say that the Ryzen CPUs are just plain smoother, like there is something wrong with Intel's architecture that causes stutters even with their 8 and 10 cores.
But no point in getting Kabylake, no. If anything it's worse since you have to void your warranty with a delid.

>>60104996
A combination of the 2nd and 3rd ones. you should either get a larger SSD or grab an HHD.

>>60104996
#2 my man

>>60105029
Any explanation why the first one is less than ideal? Also, I already have like 2 TB HDD from my old prebuilt I bought years ago. Just want an SSD.

>>60105051
i5s are fucking worthless now that you can OC a Ryzen CPU for less money without having to overpay for a K i5 with a Z mobo. If that's the case though, you should be fine with just a single 250GB SSD.

>>60104991
That was the only Seasonic Platinum I could find.

>>60105002
So is Ripjaws. In fact, Ripjaws is actually a bit better.

>>60104967
....
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6kXzgL

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Hey there gang. Looking for a little help.

I'm needing a new monitor and a new GPU. I like playing games, but I'm mostly looking to get into the 4k porn game.

So I need a new monitor that'll let me enjoy 4k porn to the fullest, as well as a new GPU that'll be able to handle it.

>GPU
660ti

Also some new speakers/headphones. I'm due for an extreme upgrade.

>>60104016

if it helps, my budget is 100$-150$

>>60103618
Not worth upgrading from a 4790k to new Intel.
Only worth upgrading to Ryzen if whatever I use requires having that many cores for a smoother experience.
I don't think the Dolphin emulator makes use of all cores yet, much less PCSX2 or PPSSPP. I'm not updating anything.

>>60105072
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CtnBd6

Ok, fixed.

>>60104672
Uh well I ordered it on the 12th. But yeah I think they sold out soon after that.

>>60104689
>>60104779
This is a good build. Yeah besides shit like those games, most of which aren't worth playing, that'll play anything on high/very-high/max 60fps+.

There are some 75hz Freesync 1080p monitors that are only $115, too.

>>60104885
>how is this
retarded

>>60104947
$100 is what, a 10% increase of your total build cost for a 20-50% performance gain.
Are you dumb? How can you not see that's clearly good value?

Or you can get the 1500x, which is +/- 5% the locked 7700, when even the locked 7700 on average beats a 5Ghz overclocked 7600k on average.
i5s are garbage and not worth buying for ANY reason.

>>60105065
What is the difference between Intel CPUs (Skylake, for example) and Ryzen?

I just want to play all the newest games (2017) in high to max settings with little compromises on 1080p60fps. I also emulate games.

Think the X370/B350 ITX motherboards will be any good, or is it better to wait for the X300 SFF chipset?

>>60105109
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6kXzgL
What should i fix in my retarded build?

I want to buy it by the end of today so I get it next week.

>>60105051
i5 without hyperthreading is worthless now, because Ryzen at the same price point not only has the cores and single core performance to keep up, it has its own version of hyperthreading licensed from IBM which is ridiculously good

>>60105112
>I just want to play all the newest games
If you're gonna play AAA garbage, go get yourself Nvidia, they optimize for AAA.

>>60105112
Basically, for a non-K intel CPU (the i5-7500 or 7400 for example) you need a Z-series mobo in order to overclock the CPU. You also need a cooler in order to do this, which all together is a huge money sink. But for Ryzen CPUs that aren't the 1800X and 1600X, you can overclock without buying a cooler and with a B350 mobo (which cost around the same as their unoverclockable Intel counterparts). This is huge value and the multicore Ryzen processors trash the Intel ones in every category.

>>60105135
Thank you, anon. So, I should go with this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B2RxQV

instead of this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HZfZKZ ?

>>60105072
Thank you

>>60105145
>If you're gonna play AAA garbage, go get yourself Nvidia, they optimize for AAA.
The only "AAA garbage" I can actually think of is Nier: Automata. I'd love to play that game on Max/High/Ultra or whatever

I tend to emulate games anyway and play older games. I just hate making compromises in relatively recent games like Skyrim

>>60105099
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Cf98TW/gskill-memory-f43200c16d16gvkb

5$ cheaper. 200mhz faster. You really gotta look...

>>60105122
You don't listen to advice so why don't you fuck off with your retarded build?

>>60105112
7700k gets higher maxs but lower and more frequent drops.

>>60105145
Don't listen to this idiot.

>>60105151
That's a perfect build.

>>60105176
>That's a perfect build.
The first one or the second? Thank you for helping, by the way. Means a lot.

>>60105151
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B2RxQV
Throw in that 1TB WD HDD you had in the 2nd. Also, you forgot your monitor.

>>60105067
I don't know why that guy recommended a platinum PSU in the first place. The 80+ bronze/silver/gold/platinum ratings only determine power efficiency.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/327742-28-80plus-bronze-silver-gold-platinum

>Overall, each higher level is about 2 percentage points more efficient than the one below it at 20/50/100.

I would suggest any SeaSonic PSU, really.

>>60098506
That was a motherboard problem, and almost all of them have had BIOS updates that bump that number up to at least 3000 now. Since we're talking about Ryzen motherboards, avoid any non-Tomahawk motherboards if you're buying MSi because they'll be neutered in some way. The MSi Gaming Pro especially has real bad VRM which can fuck you over in the long run and can't be rectified through software.

>>60105176
>to
I followed all of the advice except hte Ryzen advice because I've read Ryzen CPUs are bad with Nvidia GPUs.

>>60104967
SU800 or MX300, not SU550.
And you forgot the delidding service.

>>60105089
Also from Scotland, UK.

Budget for GPU is £200.
Budget for Monitor is £200.
Budget for Headphones/Speakers is around £100.

>>60098996
Only get a windowed case if you're coordinating all your innards to actually look good, like if they all follow the same color scheme.

>>60104885
>>60105067
>That was the only Seasonic Platinum I could find.
You didn't look hard enough.

There is a 520w Seasonic fanless that's platinum rated.

>>60105167
>relatively recent games like Skyrim
>Skyrim
>recent
No. Skyrim was years ago.
>emulation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU1ld8zJtD4
Ryzen is good enough.

>>60099425
Only way I see that happening is if you're multimonitor gaming, and if you only got two of them you probably aren't.

>>60104996
#1 is garbage
#2 is like the performance you can get at that price.
#3 eh.. is not as bad as the first but not amazing.

>>60105250
Also, why an RX 570 over a 580?

>>60105193
The first one: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B2RxQV

>>60105198
>I don't know why that guy recommended a platinum PSU in the first place. The 80+ bronze/silver/gold/platinum ratings only determine power efficiency.
So you do realize why I did. He's spending an amazing amount of money on his build. Why not get an amazing PSU?

>>60105237
He shouldn't get a 520W PSU with upper 400W usage.

>>60105089
>4k porn
>wanting to see all the cracked makeup, wrinkes, ass pimples on the 30 year old porn star pretending to be 18

>>60105089
Even an RX550 is fine for 4K non-gaming. But $80 is too expensive for it imo.

>>60105151
That monitor sucks. for $10 more you can get a 75Hz Freesync one. That's 60hz with no Freesync.

The first build is pretty ideal though you could make it cheaper by dropping to a 1500X and just getting 8GB of ram.
If you're comfortable overclocking though, I'd get the 1600.

>>60104016
>>60105091
https://gpunerd.com/guides/freesync-monitor-list

>>60105259
>#1 is garbage
Genuinely curious, but why? I asked my friend, and he said the first one is objectively better, because, and I quote, "the watts are higher. and the gpu/motherboard are stronger"

Is he just being an Nvidia fan boy?

>>60105266
Says who? Get the RX 580 even if you're on 1080p60fps. Better to have slight overkill.
Here's Xenoblade. The stutter in the intro is typical, I also encountered that the first time I played it on a Sandy Bridge CPU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Tri8ZDS58

>>60105284
>He's spending an amazing amount of money on his build. Why not get an amazing PSU?
He should be getting 32GB RAM and a 1TB SSD too then.

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>>60105237

>>60105284
>He shouldn't get a 520W PSU with upper 400W usage

Nonsense. That bad boy can pull 600+ no problem.

>>60105237
>>60105284
>He shouldn't get a 520W PSU with upper 400W usage.
No, for a platinum being at 80% usage is perfectly fine.

That's going to be like 94-96% efficient and only put out 16-24 watts of heat. Nothing at all. I assume he has air conditioning given his budget.

>>60105338
There are more parts than what exist on pcpartspicker.

>>60105328
No, I was specifically asking you as to why those two builds I linked included the 580 and not the 570

>>60105328
More VRAM doesn't make 1080p go faster.
More CUs don't help draw more triangles.
RX580 8GB is like 3-12% faster at 1080p for 30-50% more money. Not worth it.

Better to just save the $50-$90 to use to upgrade the GPU in a couple of years.

Need a laptop for reasons...im in the military at school and don't have room for a desktop. Is sager my best bet for a $2k 15.6 inch Laptop? I've been eyeing the np8157 with a few upgrades to it.

Any one familiar with kuroutoshikou gpus and hardware in general? I think they maybe called galaxy in the states.
I bought two gpus from them without a glaring problem but since im a noob maybe im not sure.
Its the one of the cheapest brands to get here in japan usually.

>>60105317
>"the watts are higher. and the gpu/motherboard are stronger"
>higher watts
>good
Nvidia or Intel would be crying if they heard that. They've been trying for the past few years to get efficient power usage, not get higher fucking wattage.

>>60105375
>galaxy
They're called Galax now. But they're okay.

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>>60097739
Hey desus,
Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but does anyone know of some really ergonomic mouse that's not super flashy? Need something for the office because I have huge hands but I don't want a meme gaymer mouse. Any suggestions?

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I'm at wit's end, /g/. I'm trying to assemble my new PC, but it won't go to BIOS. I've built PCs before but it's been a long time since my last one.

>AMD Ryzen 5 1600
>Asus Prime B350-Plus motherboard
>MSI GTX 1060 video card
>Corsair CXM 650W power supply
>CORSAIR 16GB 2X8 D4 2400 C16 VLPX for the RAM

I've got everything plugged in, there was no static electricity, I even went back and exchanged both the processor and the motherboard at the store for new ones.

I power on the PC, and the LEDs and fans start up, but no BIOS. Nothing on my monitor. Pic related. Am I missing something obvious?

>>60105317
>Is he just being an Nvidia fan boy?
Maybe. Or he's just ignorant. Wattage means shit. Reputable brand + efficiency >. Get the wattage + headroom you need after that.

That HDD is terrible brand. Would probably die in a few years.

>1060
>h7 on a delidlake

Plus the case sucks.

>>60105331
>ram
Not needed.

>SSD
A PSU will last just as and will still be worth the price. SSD's will continue to drop in price and get better.

Not sure why you are so triggered by my recommendations?

>>60105343
>>60105347
That's true. But it's not good for its longevity.

>>60105338
You're an idiot. Use parametric filters. Not every seasonic platinum is going to have "plat" in the name.

>>60105317
>the watts are higher
L M A O

>I asked my friend
>he said housefires better
I'm fucking dying holy shit. get better friends.

i5s are objectively garbage for everything including gaming.
They drop frames, create very inconsistent frame pacing. Ryzen 5s are so much smoother and consistent.
In a few cases you will get lower averages than you hope/expect on an R5, but the minimums and smoothness is beyond compare to an i5. And those matter more. High averages don't mean shit when it keeps dropping and is jittery.

It's worth jumping from FX 8320 to a Ryzen 5? Also, should I change motherboard? Right now it's gigabyte ga-78lmt-usb3.

>>60105417
I know I'm a fucking idiot that's why I'm asking you smart people for help v_v

Is that build good enough to buy in its current state?

>>60105445
what build? And the reason you get that response is because you're telling people they're wrong when you're the on who's wrong lmao

>>60105379
>>60105417
>>60105431
I am just fucking thankful I have /g/. Thank you guys for everything.

>>60105410
does the CPU power on mobo require a 2x4 cpu pin or 2x2 pin only

>>60105408
Followup on this, i have a g502 for home and i really like it, but seems a bit too gaymer for the office.

>>60105266
see >>60105366
RX580 8GB are good value for 1440p but not really for 1080p.
Plus I'm pretty sure you said you budget was $1100 total.
1440p would cost you like $1400, though a much higher quality monitor too. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CFXzgL
Waste of money for 1080p.

If you have an extra $100 to spare, just upgrade the SSD to 1TB instead.

>>60105417
>That's true. But it's not good for its longevity.
As long as you have a 140mm casefan or two helping move air through the PSU, it's perfectly fine.
Most of the time he's going to be at like 250-350watts, too. Only under a torture test will it probably be 400+ but not in just general gaming usage.

>>60105439
>It's worth jumping from FX 8320 to a Ryzen 5
yeah... definitely. 50% higher IPC. 1/3rd the power usage.

>>60105466
I never told anyone they were wrong. All I brought up was that I read Ryzens didn't work well with Nvidia cards.

Here's the build:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ncHT9W

>>60105410
Mash the keyboard.
Hit f9-12, del, escape.

>>60105506
>If you have an extra $100 to spare, just upgrade the SSD to 1TB instead.
Just the 1 TB SSD itself, or should I include an HDD too? What are the best brands for HDDs and SSDs?

>>60105417
I'm not triggered at all, just having a discussion.

>ram
>not needed

I could say
>platinum PSU
Not needed.

If you're suggesting he buys things that won't make a noticeable difference to his performance (just because he has a high budget), then, in my opinion, the PSU is one of the last components I would recommend he does that with.

60hz vs 120hz laptop screen with a gtx 1070?

>>60105479

I mean it's got an 8-pin port so I just plugged the 8-pin power connector in. Should I be using a 4-pin instead?

>>60105528
This COULD be actual advice or a troll post. Can someone help me out here? I've never needed to hit keys just to get to POST/BIOS before

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>>60105513
>All I brought up was that I read Ryzens didn't work well with Nvidia cards.
It's really Nvidia's problem and not Ryzen's. It's an x86-64 CPU. It doesn't have drivers fucking things up like Nvidia's drivers are.
But yes. In DX12/Vulkan/Gameworks, there is often pretty serious problems with Nvidia cards on Ryzen.
Problems exist on Intel CPUs too, just not as much of a change compared to how they are on AMD GPUs, you may notice.
And USUALLY the problem can be fixed by changing to DX11/OpenGL graphics API but some games are DX12 only.

>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ncHT9W
The fuck is with that SSD choice?

>>60105543
Do you need more than 1TB of storage in the near term? I'd go SSD only and add a HDD as needed.

>>60105109
Spending another $100+ for an extra few frames just seems dumb IMO, most games out now don't seem to rely heavily on them anyways. As long as I don't drop below 60 fps then I'm happy, Not interested in AMD btw.

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If I have an Intel quad core from when the Spanish inquisition was still around, what do you anons recommend upgrading to for gayming and emulation?

7700k or Ryzen 1700?

>>60105609
either will be fine for gayming but 7700k is better

>>60105410
Well your fans are spinning.
There's no beeps and shit?

I honestly don't know how speakers are on new cases and boards. In the past you usually had speakers on your case plugged into the motherboard so it can beep at you.

Did you try just using one stick of RAM at a time? Are you sure they are in the right slots for the first two sticks?

>>60105549
32gb ram offers nothing compared to 16gb ram. Platinum is higher efficiency which is always beneficial. You don't only buy things for performance. That attitude needs to go back to /v/. You buy for the future, for longevity, for heat, etc.

The PSU is one of the most important parts of your build, and should never be skimped out, btw. That's why anyone who knows what they're talking about will always say go Seasonic, gold+ if you can.

>>60105557
CPU? I mean seriously? 120hz is better obviously but can you even benefit from it? Show us your build.

>>60105604
>Spending another $100+ for an extra few frames
>
Spending another $100+ for an extra few frames just seems dumb IMO, most games out now don't seem to rely heavily on them anyways
>Not interested in AMD btw.
Why are you even on this board if you're a complete retard? Let alone in /pcbg/ asking for advice...

>>60105506
What about the MoBo? It will work on the current one?

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>>60105609
Just get the 1600 and use the savings for better other stuff.
Especially if gaming at 1440p or 4k since the minimums are better and it's smoother.
Even the 1700X with its lock stock clocks handedly beats the 7700k as you get into higher resolutions.

>>60105633
>What about the MoBo? It will work on the current one?
idk wtf you're asking. Does pcpartspicker say there are compatibility issues?

>>60105619

Correct, no beeps n' shit. None on the previous motherboard or processor either (I bought all the parts Tuesday, replaced the processor Wednesday and replaced the mobo today, and it's all been the same.) I'll try the RAM

>>60105624
Asking about the screen for a laptop with an i7-7700hq.

Sorry if the question seems stupid, I've been away from the ability to research, and the internet for a while.

>>60105312
>RX550
How will a 1050ti do?

>>60105682
>laptop
Well if you can get over 60fps with your laptop without too much heat, I'd go for the 120hz.

>>60105586
YOU IDIOT
PLUG IN A CPU CABLE THAT HAS 4 PIN

>>60105687
>How will a 1050ti do?
Very overpriced and I'd only buy them at ~$100, but yeah it should do 4K video perfectly fine.

>>60105715
It looked like he had the 4 pin plugged into the board to me... wait he used an 8pin connector to plug it in? Idk I think it should work given how the pegs are to prevent plugging it in wrong.

>>60105732
>Very overpriced and I'd only buy them at ~$100, but yeah it should do 4K video perfectly fine.
Should be alright at £127, right?

Looks like a good upgrade from the 660ti at least.

>>60105732
4-pin should enough sometimes there are cpu cables that have 8 pins but are split into two 4-pins but you really shouldn't cram it all in there
too bad the motherboard manual he has for the plus is practically a flyer and hardly a manual, I looked that shit up and it's garbage

Are SSDs mandatory nowadays?

Also, I have an old HDD with a windows copy installed on it. Would I be able to put it on a completely different computer and still have it work?

>>60105410
ALSO
THAT PSU BETTER BE MODULAR UNDER THE BOTTOM SHROUD BECAUSE FUCK HAVING CABLE SPAGHETTI MONSTER ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE

>>60105817
bad idea unless you know how to force generic drivers, which you probably don't, so don't even try
and yes SSD is mandatory for OS now because fuck waiting 30 seconds to 1 minute to boot
5 seconds is the best

>>60105715
>>60105732
>>60105789

The PSU has only an 8pin connector for the CPU. My googling says that it shouldn't be a problem, though. Is it?

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>>60105732

>>60105754
>Should be alright at £127, right?
Usually dollars=bong for PC part prices. 1050Ti are normally around $125-$140 here as well.
But you can often grab an RX460 for $60-$85, which would be a way better deal.

Actually.. I'm pretty sure the RX460 is slower than what you have when it comes to gaming. So is the 1050Ti.
But is it not good for your purpose due to the heat? Does it not play 4K video well due to a lack of a good hardware decoder?
I know any modern GPU will play 4K video well but I don't know about older ones.

>Would I be able to put it on a completely different computer and still have it work?
Don't.

>>60105850
Yeah I'm fairly certain it's not a problem. The connectors have odd shapes for the connectors to make sure you can't do something bad.

>>60105624
Relax I was just seeing if my build would be fine for 1440p gaming, you're getting upset at me for not wanting to buy expensive hardware for a small performance boost. I'm not going to shit my pants in anger if I don't have over 100fps average in Metro Last Light.

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>>60105850
YOU SEE THE SPINNING FANS
THAT MEANS EVERYTHING WERKS
BUT NOOO, YOU HAD TO GET A CHEAPO PSU WITHOUT A 4PIN CABLE

>>60097739
Which furry artist did MSI commission for this? Asking for a friend

I have budget of 1200$

Can someone type put all the components i should buy (momboard,cpu,gpu,etc..? I already have monitor

>>60105897
>Yeah I'm fairly certain it's not a problem
explain why the LEDS are working but the monitor gets no signal
and bear in mind he stated he already returned and replaced some of this before

>>60105904

Ok, I figured out the PSU 8 pin can split into 4 pin, so I did that. Nothing changed. Still got nothing.

>>60105918
why teh fuck aren't you listing the resolution and frequency

>>60105636
I'm really conflicted with these benchmarks, half on favor of ramen and the other half towards kabbylake. If I settle for a 2k monitor I will go for the 1600.

>>60105925
did you plug in the right one

>>60105898
No, that was my first reply to you ever ITT. You're an idiot because you deny reality based on your personal opinions on matters (which are pretty bad in themselves). Just leave this board.

>>60105918
1440p build?? 580 Saphhire Nitro+ + Ryzen 1600. You can figure out the rest, yes?

>>60105942
Just think of it like this: Games will increasingly utilize more cores as time goes on. Single-core performance will NOT be the future of performance.

>>60105942
At 1440p and 4k it seems pretty clearly in favor of Ryzen.
But that's just on the 1700X. The 1600X has higher clocks.
And the Ryzen is more power efficient, and better for non-gaming.

When the 7700k does win at 1440p, it's by much lower margins.
It's an indicator of how much better the minimums are on Ryzen and how consistency it puts out the frames.

>>60105951

Can someone just tell me if this guy is trolling me? I'm desperate for help but between the name calling and smug anime girls I can't take him seriously.

>>60105969
I'd get the Red Devil GS or GTR-S, but the Nitro++ is solid.

>>60105410
>>60105921
I'm guessing it's a video card issue?
Did you try another video output?
If your board supports having a primary card in another x16 slot (many don't), then try the lower one.

The 8 pin is fine. NORMALLY it splits into a 4+4 pin. But if it's all together, that's odd but still fine.

>>60106095

It does split into a 4+4. Does that actually make a difference?

The board supports another slot, but I've tried plugging in the DVI cable to the onboard port as well. Is my problem that I need to use VGA or HDMI?

>>60106095
>Did you try another video output?
It's a Ryzen, they don't come with iGPU.
What I want to know is why the GPU cable where the 8 pins are on the top right corner of the GPU seems to be floating and is not connected to the power supply.

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Is it safe to reuse a Corsair TX750M power supply from 2011?

please respond

>>60105925
As both the mobo and the PSU have eight pin connectors you should just use them as is. It would work with just 4 pins too, but there's no point in doing that.

>>60105410
Just to make sure: You are connecting your preferred display cable to the GPU and not the mobo, right? You could try resetting the CMOS, but that probably isn't the culprit. Do you have another GPU to test with or another computer to test the 1060 in? Can't bother checking if the PSU allows placing a cable in the wrong socket on the PSU side, but you should double check it just to make sure.

>>60106160
Yea, it should work fine.

redpill me about 570 vs 580 on 1080p gaymen

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>>60106095
Look at pic. What is this?

>>60106162
>It would work with just 4 pins too, but there's no point in doing that.
There is. You don't need the extra 4 pins if you're not overclocking.

>>60106160
Yeah I think TX is one of the more reliable Corsair PSU series. I believe CX is the one to avoid.

>>60106160
Depends on your definition of safe is. It most likely wont take any other components with it if it happens to die, and theres a good chance it will outlast even the build you put it in. Especially if you're not running it at its limit.

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>>60105942
Things change when you pair an AMD GPU with AMD CPU. It almost always wins then.

>>60106137
>It does split into a 4+4. Does that actually make a difference?
You're using the right connector then. That's fine

>>60106152
>It's a Ryzen, they don't come with iGPU.
Yes but the video card has multiple outputs.

>>60106160
Those decent quality PSUs will fail gracefully and not take other components out with it.
Just let it run until it starts giving issues.

>>60106188
read the thread, fucktard. It's already been gone over.

>>60106193
>Look at pic. What is this?
An 6+2 pin connector in the GPU.

>>60106230
>Things change when you pair an AMD GPU with AMD CPU. It almost always wins then.
And to think that sometime ago this was a terrible combination. How things change.

>An 6+2 pin connector in the GPU.
So why does it look like it's not connected to the power supply. Can the MSI 1060 run off the PCI-E alone.

>>60106152
>why it's floating
It has another 6+2 connector on it; it doubles back to the power supply. I know it's messy but I want to get the thing working first.

>>60106162
I tested the GPU in my current PC and it seems to work. I also tried that PC's PSU, also worked (but didn't go to post/bios).

I'll check on the PSU/GFX connection. People seem to be saying Ryder 5 has no onboard graphics, so I could only get an output from the GPU. Currently there's also no output, so I'll check the power like you suggest.

>>60106230
But is it even going into the PSU?

>>60106193
But there are literally no downsides to sticking the whole connector in and it looks better too. Sure, there might be no need for all that extra power, but I just can't see why you still wouldn't opt for that possibility.

>>60106257
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/748027-ryzen-no-postbios/?page=2
Seems to be either:
RAM type
or some fucky cooler screwing around

>>60106257
Well, if the GPU is also confirmed working then you might want to strip the setup to the bare minimum, running only the bare essentials (mobo, cpu, one stick of ram, gpu and psu) outside of the case and see if the situation changes. Also doubles as an opportunity to double check all the connections.

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>he fell for ryzen meme

>>60105969
Oh youre just talking shit then, nevermind. Thought you were the other poster from earlier.

Hey /pcbg/, got an interesting scenario here for you.

I want to build myself a system that will have a minimal loss when I sell it in a few months. I got out of college and will be starting work in a few months. However, I am bored shitless waiting and want a computer to play some games in the mean time, Total War Warhammer being the most demanding game that comes to mind. After I start work, I plan on selling this system and spending actual cash on a pointlessly riced up system.

Here are some details and constraints:
- I don't want to spend a large amount of cash, since this is short term (few months) and I am just out of college (not broke but not swimming in cash). Lets say $500 or less is the goal (though that's flexible if need be)
- Biggest factor: I want a relatively good return on the parts since I do plan on selling them in a few months. 90%+ would be ideal, though I'm a realize that's not very likely.
- I have an 1200W fully modular power supply already so power and connectors shouldn't be an issue, assuming no new connectors came out in the last few years.
- I have a 1T SSD, as well as 1T HDD. They are in my laptop and I plan on reusing them in the build.
- I am a Linux fag to a fault. That said, the system should be geared as such. No need to worry about Winderp.
- Doesn't need to run stuff at full settings, just smoothly.
- I'm ok with buying second hand via ebay. Otherwise Amazon and Newegg.
- No overclocking or anything; I want to use stock coolers and nothing more.
- 1920x1080 standard monitors. They're like 6 or 8 years old so no fancy new BS.

Before college, I used to build computers (where the 1200W is from) and always had good experience with MSI, so I'm a tiny bit partial toward their shit. Intel and Nvidia are significantly better for Linux systems I read so I'm somewhat expecting those processors.

Looking at what I need, I need a board, processor, memory, and video. Throw me your thoughts /pcbg/