/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Has anyone on here used the Newegg financing?

Best AB350 mom board?

2 hours left to buy new stuff off ebay shops with a $15 discount over $75.

PSHOPSAVE15 at checkout.

>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Team-Vulcan-16GB-2-x-8GB-288-Pin-DDR4-SDRAM-DDR4-3000-PC4-24000-Desktop-Memo-/381812771803
$110 2x8GB DDR4 3000

>http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_ssn=refurbforless&_armrs=1&_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=ryzen&_sop=15
$138 R5 1400
$155 R5 1500X
$205 R5 1600X
$305 R7 1700X
$425 R7 1800X

>http://www.ebay.com/itm/262795813167?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT#viTabs_0
$58 23" refurbished 75Hz Freesync 7ms Lenovo IPS.

>http://www.ebay.com/itm/ZOTAC-GeForce-GTX-1080-Mini-ZT-P10800H-10P-8GB-GDDR5X-IceStorm-Cooling-Dual-F-/381941454927
$455 1080 Mini

>>60088466
dunno for ATX but for mATX the ASRock Pro4, GB Gaming 3, and Prime.

Just ordered a Nitro+ 580 8GB for $250 and free shipping
How badly did I fuck up?

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>Sapphire

>>60088382

Is there supposed to be a problem with this comic? It's an instructional for kids on how to install a GPU. If you tell me you autists are buttbothered by this for some meme reason or another, I wouldn't be surprised in the least.

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>>60088601
???

>>60088623
Should've gotten XFX instead.

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>>60088636
>XFX
>over Sapphire

Thoughts?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tLJHD8

I could switch some stuff around. After all, I'm just starting to make some savings for this.

>>60088646
Sapphire has a higher power draw than XFX and runs hotter.

>>60088660
Bullshit, that was with the 480

Guys, I am so fucking confused about all these intel vs amd wars. For every benchmark saying 7700k is better in gaming, there is a benchmark saying that it is not. The more research I do, the less I understand what is happening. Help me with my build, please.
So, I am going to pick:
MSI 1080 (maybe vega if it is available in beginning of June)
16g corair or g.skill ram at 3200
Samsung evo 850 500g
And then there are 2 options: 7700k with Asus z270e or 1700x with asrock taichi x370.
So, what I am using my PC is mostly gayming (basic stuff like SC2, some new games, hots, maybe some arma 3), watching stuff, browsing stuff, simple work (excel, word). I have 1080p monitor at 60hz and don't plan to upgrade it. This PC I plan to use for 3-4 years (maybe change GPU sooner).
I don't really mind losing 10% fps in games but I just want to get a good product. So I want to understand what would I gain by sacrificing those 10%. I personally like amd, as I used old amd cpu and ati gpu when I was in school, so I kinda want to support it and go Ryzen. But I am afraid of some things like game performance might be lower then expected (esp in arma), there are some cpu degradation spooky tales, the overclocking is a lottery and I don't really understand whether I would have to oc it or not, and I don't really understand whether 1700x is actually a good cpu or is it just hype and 7700k would actually be the best pick here. This is an expensive purchase, so I don't want to regret it later. Could someone please help me with those questions with some details and not just say - go first option /thread.

Thanks

>>60088652
Try to aim for faster memory if possible, scale down GPU to a 570 if you're going to play 1080p60 and use that money towards a bigger monitor maybe?

>>60088729
You're going extremely overkill for 1080p60, especially if you're not changing the monitor soon. An R5 1600 and a 570/580 4GB is probably more than enough for your use case.

>>60088729
The Ryzens just have smoother FPS. 7700k has higher maxes. It's not hard to understand.

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Anyone know if the ASRock HDV mobos are any good? The Pro4s are out of stock

>>60088729
>7700k
>better for gaming
only averages, the 1% and .1% is way worse then AMD, its the cause of the stuttering on the 7700k

>>60088636
This

>>60088616
what the hell.
Why do you think the OP picture has to be ironic or something? It's just cute.

>>60088646
As far as RX480s went, the XFX GTR was by far the best. No reviews of the RX580 GTR-S yet, but would assume it's just even better.
Sapphire is solid. Can't go wrong with them. But they're not always the best.
Red Devil GS also appears to be better than the Sapphire. But the Sapphire is definitely better than the Gigabyte cards and shit.

Won't know how good it is until you get it and try to overclock to 1500MHz on the core and 8800 on the VRAM.

>>60088466
Asrock Pro4. I got the ATX version, installed with no issues at all, no ram issues thus far

>>60088746
Sounds good enough.
How about this:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K68wXH

>>60088836
Is PowerColor reliable? The name alone doesn't inspire much trust to me

I want to put together a super small build to travel with that I will end up gaming on for several hours at a time.

Thinking mITX

Would buying a cheaper Vishera 8-core processor be okay?

>>60088853
Powercolor is good, I had a 7870 Myst (Tahiti) and it was a solid card

>>60088836
For the price, cooler, VRMs and Boost clock I couldn't not pull the trigger

>>60088853
>mobo
Get either AsRocks or Gigabyte Gaming 3.

>2400mhz
>ryzen
Hah. Get 3200. Don't worry, I'll save you money somewhere else.

>sandisk
No. Crucial MX300.

>evga fully mod
Just get a seasonic semi mod.

>>60088652
Get an RX570 4GB when it's 1080p 60hz. You're spending $40 more for pretty much nothing.

Get a better motherboard like the pro4 or gaming 3.
And you can buy 3000MHz RAM for that same price if you lurk more.

>>60088729
> For every benchmark saying 7700k is better in gaming, there is a benchmark saying that it is not
7700k when overclocked not GPU bottlenecked is plain-and-simple going to win on averages in 99% of games.
But it's not as smooth. On some games it out right gets 75ms+ hangs. Its minimums aren't as good. This makes a Ryzen 6 core or 8 core pull ahead at 1440p and 4K in a majority of games from the past few years. And lots of games plain max out the 7700k @ 5Ghz on all 8 threads without reaching 144fps.

If you want the best average FPS, which personally I don't think is the best metric to judge by, get the 7700k and delid it.
If you want it to be much more consistently smooth, better value, and to do more than just be a glorified gaming console, get the Ryzen 6 or 8 core.

Also you're probably seeing a lot of day1 benchmarks on 2400MHz RAM while the 7700k is on 3600 and shit, BIOS were worse, Windows was worse, etc.
The Tech Altar and legitreviews did more recent benchmarks.
And on Linux, Ryzen gets a 5-20% performance increase and often beats the single core IPC of Kabylake. Go figure.

>>60088836
>Why do you think the OP picture has to be ironic or something? It's just cute.

Because there's a radeon in it.

>>60088787
>Anyone know if the ASRock HDV mobos are any good?
Dumb question. Do you see a heatsink on them?
Wait for Pro4 to go back in stock or get the Gaming 3.

>>60088853
>Is PowerColor reliable?
Red Dragon: no. Red Devil: definitely.
Also, their warranty service is great unlike many others these days.

>>60088879
>For the price, cooler, VRMs and Boost clock I couldn't not pull the trigger
Overclockability is more important than stock clocks. Overclocking GPUs is so easy..

>>60088856
>Thinking mITX
>Would buying a cheaper Vishera 8-core processor be okay?
No. Too hot.

How R9 290 compares to RX570? It would cost me 80 euro less (120 vs 200+).

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Is this cooler good enough for a gaming build with a r7 1700x if I'm not planning on overclocking it, /pcbg/?

>>60088895
>>60088933
So, pretty much like this?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t9CVTH

>>60088983
>Dumb question. Do you see a heatsink on them?
Why do people like you assume we all know what that shit looks like? Not everyone can just look at a mobo and see if it's quality.

>>60088853
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K68wXH
Get the DDR4 3000 for $110 off ebay instead, stupid.

And get the Red Devil RX570. It's clocked 7% higher for only $5 more and its cooler is better. If it fits in the case, that is.

>>60089008
Or get that refurbished 75Hz freesync. That might be a better use of the coupon when there is only a $10 dif for 3200MHz RAM instead.

>>60088933
>legitreviews
>>60088796
>>60088787
>>60088776
Thanks for your answers, anons. It is just that all my friends are telling me to go intel. And ryzen is such a new product that it is a hard choice. I actually think I will go Ryzen. Even though I am confused, it kinda attracts me more.
Also, I am embarrassed that I don't know this after 10 years of pc gaiming but now I wonder - if I have 60hz monitor, am I able to see difference between 60 and 100 fps? I remember that back in cod4 on promod everyone was setting 125 and 250 and agreed that there was difference.

>>60088989

>one of the best coolers you can buy

yeah, probably

>>60088933
>>60089027
oh shit, that wasn't meant to be sarcastic or anything, I just highlighted the name of the source to google it. Thank for advice, man

>>60088989
>>60089032
>one of the best coolers you can buy 5 years ago
no

Get an H7, C1, or stop being a lazy faggot and look up some cooler comparison reviews for ones in the 140-180W TDP range that compare heat dissipation vs noise and value.

>>60088983
>Over clocking GPUs is so easy
Apparently not Polaris 20
>>60088987
Still very favorably in terms of performance

Hey guys, quick question

I had really limited budget but i ordered i5 7500, gtx 1060 6gb, 8gb DDR4 Ram rig. Will it be fine for smooth gaming on 1920x1080 resolution on newer games like battlefield 1?

Thanks in advance

>>60088983
>Too hot

What would be a decent budget CPU for a traveling itx build then?

>>60089100
Might as well go for 16gb. 8gb is fine, but I have found there are games now that demand 8gb minimum.

I put in an extra 8gb today just to get some extra performance

>>60089100
So you had a limited budget but overpaid for your build?

>>60089047
I don't want to deal with upgrade kits. These will probably be sent with the cheapest kind of shipping that has no tracking and can't be sent internationally.

>>60089120
What you mean?

Another quick question - I never OCed cpus before. If I take 1700x and OC it to 3.8-3.9 with 1.35-1.4 voltage, would it be stable enough for a long-term run under typical use and games? What I mean is - will it run stable for 3-4 years at that clock with no issues? Or is it better to use it at stock?
Also, is it difficult to get 3.9 at 1.35v recommended by amd with 1700x?

>>60089143
Do you live in an area where the 1060 is cheaper than the 480?

>>60088601
Yeah when the fuck is Sapphire gonna restock stores with their shit? I swear their 580 8GB line has been sold out at every non-reseller for 2 weeks now.

>>60089100
On well optimized games like BF1 it's fine and will keep above 60fps. On some others it's a stutterfest.

>>60089104
>What would be a decent budget CPU for a traveling itx build then?
Wait for Raven Ridge so you can have a <65w TDP APU and no dGPU.
If you have to build it soon, an i3 or i7 using the iGPU or a 1500X and 1050Ti or RX560.

Vega will also probably be absurdly low power when undervolted and fit a mITX case.

>>60089131
Cryorig is sending internationally. Though they take longer to arrive for some.

>>60089150
Yes.. AMD wouldn't recommend 1.4v if it only lasted 4 years at that.
>Also, is it difficult to get 3.9 at 1.35v recommended by amd with 1700x?
Depends on luck and how many hours you spend dialing it in and torture testing. It should be very easy, though.

>>60089172
Google rx 580 Nitro+ 8 GB
Superbiiz has them for 249.99 in stock but only if you follow that link

>>60089188
>Superbiiz has them in stock
inb4 it's not actually in stock

>>60089158
Tbh i am new to gaming, i had ancient PC for a long time and i decided to get a new one. I didnt wanna mess with components so i ordered already built rig

>>60089188
Superbiiz is notorious for lying about what they do and don't actually have available though. I remember some poor guy on here ordered a 970 off them back when it was the hottest new meme and he had to wait a month because it was actually on back-order. By the time his card arrived the 3.5GB shitposting was already in full effect.

Looking to build a rig for the first time.

Mainly shooting to be able to run games like the Witcher 3 and the Newer Total War games at medium to high graphics and get close to 60 fps


Would this work?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DJtBd6

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>>60088987
I'd personally go for the RX570 but my preferences may differ widely from yours so here's why:

The pure performance difference between the R9 290 and the RX 570 is so small it's barely measurable. The RX 570 is slightly faster but that very tiny _performance_ difference is absolutely not worth 80 EUR. Based on this alone the R9 290 at 120 EUR is the obvious choice.

The R9 290 is a 275W TDP part. The RX 470 is a 120W TDP part and the RX 570 is a 150W TDP part. What this means is that the RX 470, which I have (a MSI model), can manage heat with the heatsink alone in everyday-use and even with light gaming and less-demanding games (CSGO is one example of something you wouldn't think you could do fanless but you can). The fans do kick in after a while when you play really demanding games. In contrast the fans on the R9 290 will be spinning all the time and get really loud when you play games.

No noise from the GPU most of the time and less noise when playing games and the significantly reduced power usage (I pay my own electricity bill) is why I personally would pay 80 EUR more for a RX470 or a RX570 instead of buying a cheaper R9 290.

Protip: Check your local used parts market if you still think the R9 290 is a good alternative after reading all of this. I am fairly sure you can get a used one for less than 120 EUR.

r8 but don't h8

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yt9Q9W

>>60089266
dont cheap out on a PSU. Platinum or nothing boy.

>>60089266
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q92NFd

Fixed somewhat but I'd honestly look for some deals. This is too much to pay. No deals right now. I highly recommend a SSD and 1600 btw.

>>60089326
>ram
too slow

No mobo?

>gigabyte 570
ehhhh

>>60089361
I wouldn't be ordering it until next week or the week after, so I may get lucky on deals.

As for an ssd I never really saw the appeal. Isn't it just better for load times and boot up?

>>60089326
>>60089361
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4rqyTH

Sorry, forgot the mobo. Why is the ram too slow though? And what is wrong with the 570 gigabyte?

>>60089326
>keyboard 1/10 of your entire budget
>cheaping out on PSU
>no mobo
>I prefer 4x4gb
>shit case
>gig 570

This is bait for sure.

>>60089266
Don't listen to those other guys, this is the real better build you want.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tZXGRG
It's a bit pricier, but its well worth it if you want to get the performance you're asking for and the parts chosen here have much higher reliability than what you've chosen

>>60089412
Im a different poster, but I used to say the same thing you are. At the price point a few years ago (and the fact that I was a college student) I said fuck SSD's. Now that I have matured and am serious about maximizing my shitposting experience, I have bought a 500gb SSD. They are cheap as shit now, almost 50cents per gigabyte. You have no excuse anymore. Get a Samsung SSD and shut up.

>>60089392
>evga housefire
>2133mhz RAM with ryzen
>hitachi 1 year lifespan
>msi 570
Why do retards like you barge in these threads and say stupid shit like "don't listen to the others guys!!11"?

>>60089412
Faster in everything. Faster load, boot, write/read speeds. It's really noticeable.

>>60089420
Ryzen really benefits from higher speed RAM. And DDR4 is so inflated that 3200mhz is like 10$ more than 2400mhz. It's like throwing away money to not get the easy FPS gain.

Gigabyte is just a lackluster model. If you don't plan on OC'ing and don't care about heat then it's fine. Just a bad value.

>>60089430
>cheaping out on PSU
That's a great PSU idiot. You retards need to stop posting like I told the other guy.

>>60089446
See what I said to you above.

>>60089454
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yt9Q9W
>550w
it really isnt "Great", especially when hes fucking around blowing real money on peripherals. Imagine an extra $100 on GPU instead of a $100 keyboard.

Have an old first generation i5-750 paired with a 5850. So a few questions in regards that and a new build.

How much of a performance increase could I expect if I upgraded to an RX 570? My goal is to be able to play most titles on high @1080p/60.

Will the i5-750 be a limiting factor (not OC'd at all)? I bought a skylake i3 (I forget if it was 6100 or 6300) on a whim on sale earlier this year--would that actually outperform the old i5?

Just looking to eke a bit more use out of my current system while buying a GPU that would continue to do what I need until my poor ass splurges on something nicer further down the line.

>>60089446
>not getting smores flavor


You have shit taste sir

>>60089474
That's just the same faggot that's been in the past couple dozen threads trying to play know-it-all, we're not supposed to take him seriously.

>>60089506
Im not though... I just jumped in today

No one has ever had a problem with too much wattage. does this mean buy a 1kw Psu? fuck no. This means get 750w so you can work around more additions to your rig whether it be: different gpu, more ram, more storage, etc.

>>60089474
Are you retarded? He has more than enough wattage for his build and any foreseeable upgrade. 550w is the sweet spot unless you have dual-gpus or some other excess power draw. Stop giving advice.

Also:
>only looking at wattage
Just no.

>extra 100 on GPU
Would be a waste on a 1080p monitor idiot. Let him have his meme keyboard if he wants it.


>>60089506
Not really. I haven't been active in /pcbg/ for a few weeks. There's quite a few of us who actually know what we're talking about, no need to monolith us because it upsets you when your shitty advice is called out.

>>60089490
You know I'm not really too sure how bad that CPU is. I'm sure the new i3 would be better but look at how many cores and the clockspeed. The architecture is better for sure. I'm sure you'd see plenty of benefits from a 570 but it might be bottlenecked by your CPU.

>>60089532
Getting a 750w PSU is a waste of money... Especially on 1080p 60fps... If you ever need that much wattage it'll be time to get a new PSU anyway.

>>60089222
So you mean he could have canceled it by the time the 3.5 shit came out or returned it.

>>60089454
>Gigabyte is just a lackluster model. If you don't plan on OC'ing and don't care about heat then it's fine. Just a bad value.
Even if you're not going to OC and blah blah, their fans are fucking loud as shit.
There are better ones at the same price. Or for $10 more you can get the Red Devil or Gaming X or whatever.

>>60089490
Shit dude. The 5850 is still a solid card. As good or better than a 1050Ti. Anything 5000 series and later from AMD has aged incredibly even if you have to use older drivers for the 5850, 6850, and so on.

Just upgrade your CPU.
>I bought a skylake i3 (I forget if it was 6100 or 6300) on a whim on sale earlier this year--would that actually outperform the old i5?
It would, but not by a ton. Not to the degree that a 1500X or 1600 would.
You're talking about like 65% higher IPC and a 37% higher clock speed. Half the cores, but hyperthreading and way stronger cores. Plus DDR4 is faster. I'd say maybe a 2x increase but only a 2x performance increase after 8 years or whatever is dismal.

>>60089474
You have no fucking clue what power usage looks like. That build will generally not use over 250-350.
550w is plenty to have headroom for a 1080Ti or Vega.

That build would be fine with a 420w PSU. 550 is already overkill but still reasonable. 650 would be retarded.

>>60089474
SeaSonic is objectively the best PSU brand though. I had a 750w cheapo Corsair PSU crap out on me recently, when my system doesn't use more than 400w max.

Reputable model > extra wattage in PSUs.

A good friend handed me his i5-2300 and mobo (gigabyte with h63 chipset).
I know it's locked but i heard you can play with the turbo settings. Is it worth trying to OC it?

Happy either way coming from my old amd PII 940 , fucked up by not waiting a few months for i5 release on its day.

>>60089625
I get pretty close to 700 on my build but im also using an AMD card w/ intel cpu. Liquid cooling on the CPU, 4 fans x 120mm and 1 large 200m fan. 1 SSD, 1 HDD, 1 optical drive (idk why the fuck I have an optical drive desu)

>>60089430
>keyboard 1/10 of entire budget
I want a good keyboard, what is wrong with that?
>cheapening out on PSU
I heard SeaSonic is good, what is wrong with it?
>no mobo
Made a mistake.
>I prefer 4x4gb
I never said that.
>shit case
What case would you reccomend?
>gig 570
What model is better?
>>60089454
Will get the RAM. How big of an increase is it? What 570 should I get then? The Red Devil is too big for my case.

>>60089728
find a 500R on a sale honestly

>>60089728
>too big for case
Jesus. You need a better case. Define S is crazy good but it's about 70$ at its cheapest. Check craigslist, maybe you can find it for cheaper used.

>gpu
Other than Red Devil, Sapphire and XTX are good.

>>60089745
$130 RX470 ROG Strix (a good model)
>https://jet.com/product/ASUS-ROG-STRIX-Radeon-RX-470-4GB-OC-Edition-AMD-Gaming-Graphics-Card-with-DP-14-/b5a0eed5f59e4460965bb264e3d46c24
code SPRING15

>>60089709
Even if you are retarded enough to waste power, time, and a delid on an intel CPU, you still aren't going to use over 550watts.

>>60089698
Yeah. Try an OC it. It's worthless as fuck at stock clocks.

>>60089659
Yeah those 420w fanless Seasonics will handle 600w+ for years no problem as long as you don't live in the desert with no AC.
Whereas shit brand 650watts will die after a few months of pulling 400.

>>60089803
I have a Rosewill Capstone that I've been using for over 3 years in a crossfire setup with no issues

>>60089803

>Worthless

It has 2x my old phenom 2 score on single and multithreaded test in cpu-z.
It's more than enough to feed my 6950 , i'll OC if i go for some emulation meme.

Thx.

Isn't gtx 1160, the 1060 refresh happening soon?

>>60089829
Rosewill is the other good brand.

>>60089610
For sure, I'm in the market for the 1600 when I'm able to afford the build. I can afford the RX 570 currently but not a full build. I can't imagine a world where I would opt for the i5 7500 over the 1600 when it comes time to buy. My price point for a CPU isn't going to go above $250 any time soon, even then I'll be spending above my means (but fuck it).

I love my 5850. It still runs everything I want to play on some configuration (usually low, admittedly) at 60 fps. And it has handled some absolutely insane temps and never once gave a fuck. I can make the same claim for the i5 750's ability to handle absurd temps as well.

I am a bit let down to hear that about the 1050ti though. One contingency in my head had me buying one of those on a whim for the extra VRAM headroom in the meantime. I also have to blast the fans on the GPU while in game, so a slightly (or shit maybe not so slightly) lower power bill will help my broke ass a lot.

>>60089862
Really? Everyone usually shits on Rosewill

>>60089786
The Define S is like $100 on Newegg (which is where I'm ordering all my shit). Is there any better bigger case in the $70-$80 price range?

>>60089829
Rosewill are actually generally great when it comes to cheap brands.
They were generally what I recommended before Seasonic started selling gold rated semi-modulars for so affordably.

>>60089856
Weird. My i5-2500k when it's stock often can't feed my 7970. Even OC it can stutter and shit.

>>60089877
Yeah, the negative of that 5850 is the temps and power usage. The 1050Ti destroys it there.
But yeah, I wouldn't consider anything less than an RX570... but I really think the weakest point of your system is the CPU and that's what you should upgrade if you can't afford to upgrade both.
Is the $150 for a 1500X, $70 for a motherboard and $65 for RAM really too much?

>>60089947
Where do you live? It's 60 on NCIX US (but like 20 shipping and tax). Don't really keep up on cases aside from Fractal, sorry.

>>60089890
I dunno, maybe things have changed in the last few years. I stopped even considering Rosewill for myself because they're impossible to find in Australia; I could barely get a SeaSonic here.

>>60089963
I was going to say, decent Rosewill's cost as much as Seasonics, even back in the day

>>60089982
I live in the US but I want to order all my stuff from Newegg. I'll look around though, thanks.

>>60089890
You replied to the wrong person.
But yeah /g/ sometimes shits on Rosewill some based on name alone or simply knowing that they make cheap stuff.
But as far as cheap stuff goes, it's way fucking better than Corsair's cheap ass models.
I would put plenty of cheap Rosewill models in my own computer. I would not put one of those garbage budget Corsair models in one.

That $20 SRM-01 case is so damn good for the cost, too. Though the PSU should be flipped, or it should have a plate to redirect heat away from it. But eh.

>>60089985
Na. When the 550RM came out it was $80. When a good-enough Rosewill was $40-$55.
But now that the 550RM is $50-$65, it's different.

>>60090036
I meant PSU's rated at least Silver 80, my bad

>>60090007
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352054
It's 90$ on newegg? Including shipping?

>>60090050
The windowed version is $100 with shipping.

Any suggestions for monitor stands that can rotate between landscape and portrait? Just wondering if there's a particular brand that is trusted.

Fx-8300 still can hold it?

>>60089610
>So you mean he could have canceled it by the time the 3.5 shit came out or returned it.
Well I don't wanna go off-topic, but it arrived just as nvidia finally addressed the memory bug in the 970 and he decided to just get his money back instead of dealing with that shit, waiting another 2 weeks to have the card shipped back and his money refunded. It was a complete waste of time, I honestly would have just stuck with it rather than blow away a good chunk of life waiting on nothing.

>>60089027
from what i've heard most people can't actually see more than 120fps but i can tell you firsthand theres a huge noticeable difference once you go past 60fps to the point where its hard to go back

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LzHJHN
Thanks to microcenter I can get the 7700k for 300 and save $30 on the mb so I might go for the Asrock extreme 4. What can be improved here?

>>60090293
>from what i've heard most people
most people should be castrated, too. So what most people think is meaningless.
For people with actual decent eyes and taste, they can spot the difference between 144fps and 240fps in well under a minute between using the two, let alone 120 and 60.

But the difference from 60 and 85 is definitely way bigger than 85 and 120, yes.
85 is the minimum I find comfortable.

>>60090371
You know you can get a 1700x+motherboard for like the same from Microcenter, right?
Much cheaper when you include the more expensive Z270 board, delid, and warranty voiding from the delid.

>>60090172
i just bought one that im probably going to overclock, might buy a medium end cooler to do it with though

Are DRAM prices expected to be lower around Q1 or 2 2018 than right now? Or should I just buy a kit now

>>60088382
Help me out with my mom build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rQ8wXH

I'm not sure where to cut costs. The case can be downgraded but that Logisys ones with integrated PSUs seem REALLY shit so I'm not sure what the sweet spot is here. Also should I be using a different chipset with the G4560?

Ryzen 1400 or i5 7400 JUST for gaming? A friend is building his first gaming pc and these seems like the most affordable options.

Hey guys! Need of urgent help with my build. I want the core component to be the r7 1700. I'm video edit, along with photoshop and streaming. I game frequently too. I have around $1,100 to spend on. I don't need any peripherals, just core computer parts. I plan on buying it tonight so please help!

>>60091544
Either wait for Ryzen3 and save him some dough or save up for the 1600

>>60091515
What is your mom doing that needs 8gb of memory and a ssd?

>>60091630
5000 tabs of facebook.

>>60089698
you can only turbo plus locked chips on p or z chipset motherboards. your best bet is to check cpu compatibility for your board but an ivy 3550/70 4t (<$70) or a xeon 1230-70v2 8t (~$80-150) sell your 2300 for whatever you can get.

>>60091602
Seems like a solid advice, thanks

>>60091630
Chrome eats RAM. You're not going to talk me below 8GB. SSD is just for speed since all that's going on it is the OS. No movies, or a lot of images to take up space. It's roomy by comparison and I'm even considering dropping it down to 120GB.

>>60088382
Already posted that one but maybe someone has more feedback.

>want to stay below 800 euro
>gaming (non aaa titles)
>browsing
>programming
>dual booting linux & wangblows (for gaems)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6LRyTH

GPU will be the rx 560 because I mostly play those "e sport" games, and the psu will be

https://geizhals.de/be-quiet-pure-power-9-cm-400w-atx-2-4-bn266-a1407719.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

(pcpartpicker doesn't know that one). Swapped the msi motherboard for the asrock one, is that a better choice?

Would it be too stupid to get a r5 1600 with 2400mhz ram for 1080p/60 fps gaming? I know that Ryzen profits a lot from ram speeds but I don't know if that will show up in 60 fps gaming.

Edited some stuff that anons suggested from earlier in the thread. How does this look? What are people's thoughts on the case?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nyXBd6

>>60091946
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nyXBd6
save up on ram get 2400mhz
buy rx580 instead
buy same model of monitor but 24" i have it and its pretty ok

120 or 144hz one would be much better but for the price it is ok also freesync is pretty nice

>>60091857
>Would it be too stupid to get a r5 1600 with 2400mhz ram

no it is in fact stupid to buy 3000mhz memory if you pair it with rx570 or 580 or even gtx 1070 tier card

only the most high end gpus benefit when ryzen is paried with fast ram you are safe to buy 2400mhz or 2666mhz
2133 is not recomended since generally prices are the same as for 2400

>>60091968
>buy rx580 instead
I have heard to get the 4gb version of the rx580 for 1080p, should I just get that instead of the 8gb version? if so, which model?

will go 24" for the monitor

>>60091857
Depends on the graphics card from the research ive done, Linus did a video on ram speed recently iirc

>>60091988
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nyXBd6
it would be best to squeeze in 8gb model but 4gb one is also ok you can usually oc ram to match 8gb version in speed and only few games demand more than 4gb for ultra textures at 1080p

>>60092047
If I were to go for an 8gb rx 580, would it be worth it to get one of the $250 models or is that just overpaying for a 580?

>>60091560
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FjpnJV
or get a cheaper case and an 8gb 580

Anyone have any idea if RX 560 is going to be able to compete against GTX 1050 ti?

>>60092064
Nah not worth it going for top of the line just pic something that have reasonable cooling solution

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Last looks. Ordering tomorrow, I swear

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CYnJHN

>Posted from my Phenom II x4 955 Press F to pay respects

>>60091988
>>60092047
I would not get 4GB version.

I made the mistake of buying a GTX 960 2GB, simply because people suggested going for the 2GB, as the $50 or whatever for a 4GB was not worth it.

Here I am, can't run games, at least not the demanding ones I want, because I hit vram limitations in pretty much every single one of them.

>>60092147
>reasonable cooling solution
There are only 2 $230 rx580 8gb cards, the red dragon and the gigabyte one. are either of those good cards?
>>60092170
I can't afford the more expensive rx 580 8gb ones is the problem. so its either downgrade to the rx 570/580 4gb or get an rx 580 8gb and cut back on some other part of the build.

>>60092190
>and the gigabyte one
aurus or gaming? If aurus take it if not flip a coin and take with ever, they both should be fine
sacrificing 4gb of vram for slighty better cooling solution isnt worth it in my oppinion.

>>60092190
In your PC partpicker you have RX 570 4GB though. If you're only getting a 570, maybe it's ok to go with 4GB.
It's quite annoying to hit vram limitations.

>>60092190
>the red dragon and the gigabyte one. are either of those good cards?
well that's the thing, neither of them are good as far as 580 cards go. I do know that the msi armor 8gb card is also $230 on newegg, you can look into that. It's not the prettiest, but in terms of performance it's actually a good pick and msi has always had some of the best fan control options in my experience.
What's weird is that on their site they don't list it with their own price but a more expensive seller instead, but newegg's own price is definitely $230.

>>60092250
It's the gaming one. I'm pretty sure there is the Sapphire Pulse at that price point but it's sold out.
>>60092271
I have the 570 because I decided to get the 570 because the OP says that's all i'll need for 1080p gaming.
>>60092281
It's listed for $230 on Newegg but it's sold out. The only available copies are $250.

>>60092310
>OP says that's all i'll need for 1080p gaming
that's also assuming that you're okay with less than 60fps, constant framedips/stuttering, and having your graphical settings at console levels. If you want to do something like The Witcher 3 at 1080p without having it run like a lame faggot then you need the 580

>>60092362
Like just the 580 or specifically the 580 8gb?

>>60092483
VRAM aside, there's a sizeable gap between the 5/470 and 5/480 and while the 580 is being advertised for multimonitor/1440p gaming the extra power it has is still highly beneficial for simple 1080p. If you want the better graphics, drop the extra $30-$40 for the better card but if you don't need it then don't get it.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Bv3XGf
thoughts?

>>60092527
I mean I don't plan on getting 1080p but I want my GPU to last. The real question for me is whether to get the 4gb or 8gb version and I think I might just get the rx 580 4gb simply for the higher clocks and such.

>>60092608
>https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Bv3XGf
slow hard drive

>>60092627
>I might just get the rx 580 4gb simply for the higher clocks and such.
dont

get the 8gb model you can match the clocks with simple oc in afterburner

>>60092679
As I have stated, I can't afford the $250 580 8gbs unless I cut back on some other area of my build.

>>60092701
get the 230 one

>>60092362
lol a 570/4 is on par with a 480/4, not even ps4 pro is nearing this and it runs at 30fps.

>>60092627
1080p the 580/4 is a fine choice. at settings the 580 will run vsync at it's not going to use over 4gb vram, might be able to run higher textures on a 8gb later but with new gen around the corner just replace it. Usually I say get what you need now and nothing more but 570-580 is like a 1500x-1600

>>60092701
>>60092709
and/or save on ram and on the case
get bronze rated power supply
skip windows 10 you can download it from ms web page and instal it in preview mod it works just fine except for water mark

you can pay them a ransome to remove it later

>>60092730
>it's not going to use over 4gb vram
thats factually wrong at last for some games

>>60092751
>at least for all games released in 2016/2017

>>60092730
isn't more vram for higher textures only needed for high quality texture packs/mods or for 4k? if thats the case i should be safe with the 580 4gb right? or should i just get the 570?
>>60092709
thanks, ill consider that.
>>60092737
>save on the case
whats a cheaper case i could get?
>bronze rated PSU
ill look into it but i dont see a PSU at a generally lower price range.

What power supply should I get for a 400w system. I want to overclock so I am looking at 650w for head room.

>>60092772
brands to consider:
high end corsairs(avoid cheap ones)
high end EVGA(same deal)
anything seasonic
conclusion:
get a seasonic.

>>60092770
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KsR48d/zalman-case-z3pluswhite

20 dolars saved

if it cant be white than
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qp2rxr/zalman-case-z3

14$ saved

>>60092807
A ~$30 case seems a bit sketchy. Have you built in it before?

>>60092817
yes i have the z3 model
its ok its functional it comes with 3 fans preinstalled
the air flow is fain
it do not wobble
it have toolsess screws for side panels
it have bottom mounted power supply

what can i say more just dont over pay on case if you are on the budget

z3 and z3 plus differ only by addition of side window

>>60092862
I still don't see the advanrage of an 8gb GPU if I'll just be gaming at 1080p.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bpqQ9W

1080p gayming and audio rendering.
I also want to try overclocking the 1600, should i get an aftermarket cooler or is the new cooler good enough for it?

>>60092922
do whatever you like then it's your build after all
i just gave you my honest opinion

as for z3/z3 plus watch a review on youtube and decide for your self

>>60092941
You can overclock to 3.8ghz on the stock cooler just fine. You'd get more with a aftermarket cooler but 3.8ghz is pretty decent.

>>60088407
Don't do it

>>60092949
>You can overclock to 3.8ghz on the stock cooler just fine.
I can barely do that on my R7 1700 at full load, and that's with 5 140mm tower fans

>>60092944
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wvDyTH

How does this look then? Not gonna replace the case because I like the look.

>>60092962
>more cores generate more heat

Wow.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dNnrf8

I already have 6700k with xfired rx 480s, asus z170k mobo, this is what I'm thinking of changing

>>60092989
That's hardly a system upgrade. 7700k needs to be delidded to overclock properly. All you need is a new PSU and the GPUs.

>>60092984
Not really sure what's your point, mine was pretty clear

>>60092982
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wvDyTH
its fine

as i said i would go for 8gb vram and 24" monitor but aside that its nice

as a side note the other thing you could do to lower the cost is swithing somsung evo 250gb for sandisk plus 240gb
samsung is obviously faster but i dont think you would notice it much
as for durability they are same

>>60092982
Do most people use wifi adapters? I live I an apartment so I have a 50 foot Ethernet cable. Other than that, money may be more of a concern than in my case, but I'd go full tower (feels less cramped) and I'd add the$30-50 to get the 8gb 580 instead of the 4gb.

>>60093006
Why psu? The one i have is already overkill no?

>>60093006
It's true. Even with aio I can't oc this thing whatsoever without flying to 90c+

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>>60092989
>i7700k from i7 6700k
>32gb ram
>1080 in sli
>blueray drive

>>60092770
580/4 aorus, pulse or dragon. Spend the $30 difference from a cheap 8gb on sys ram or storage you won't be replacing in a year or two.
>general advice
Only things to buy right now for entry/mid gaming.
CPU:g4560,1600,6700k. kaby lake is getting refreshed soon to preemptive zen+, coars are so hot right now.
GPU:$200 580/4,1060/6, xtr 580/8
The rest of pascal is getting a refresh so 1070-1080 are not wise. 570 is too close to 580 price, 480 mir are already out there if you search. Lower spec cards only if you absolutely need pci power only.

>>60093045
Those Nvidia cards are voltage hogs when OCed.

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Howdy fellas, i've got a spare HDD laying around and i want to use DBAN or dericks boot and nuke.

Anyone had any experiences with this software? The drive itself is fine, but the windows 7 on it is super corrupted, loads of chatter.

I don't wanna brick this fuckin thing.

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>>60093062
So if you don't OC temps on idle are average 35-40C?
Pic not related, my lowest idle temp on a devil canyon overclocked to 4.6GHz all cores.

>>60093066
Ok so 7700k is dumb if I already have 6700k what's up with the ram though?

Bluray was something people told me not to waste money on before i bought it, but I didn't listen so here we are.

And if money isn't an issue is it still dumb to sli 1080s?

>>60093078
500 watts??? For real???

I have a;
>r9 290x OCd
>i5 4460 perm turbo boosted @ 3.4
>16gb of 1333 DDR3

Question is, am I being held back at all by my cheap ram? or does that not kick in until I have a way better CPU/GPU? is there a way to see if it's bottlenecking me at all? should my next upgrade always just be a better GPU?

>>60093095
32gb of ram is overkill, just stick with 16.
do you actually use cd or dvds? if not dont get it.
just get one 1080 and you should be good.

>>60093118
Well it's also about the efficiency curve and price to that performance level.

500w is very future proof considering the extent to which components are becoming efficient. Anything less than that i wouldn't personally buy.

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>>60093093
without any oc at 4.20 with turbo and shit disabled it idles at like 27 - 30c

tried 1.20v at 4.6 and it worked great as far as temps go but it needs more voltage to not stutter like crazy

>>60093095
you will use it for gayming i assume?
You don't need more than 16gb of ram for quite some time
As for sli its never a good idea its waste of money
>And if money isn't an issue
>And if money isn't an issue
do what ever must be nice to be arab prince
send me some money plx

>>60093095
>And if money isn't an issue is it still dumb to sli 1080s?
yes.

>>60093093
That's some really cold ambient air temperature you must have.
18C on ssd inside the case must mean at most 17C air. That's literally fucking illegal in my country, I could sue central heating providers if it ever dropped below 20 in living room.

>>60093095
>what's up with the ram though?
actually nothing, if you plan to keep it untill 2020, 32Gb will be good for you

best decision I made in 2011 - got 8Gb of RAM when everybody told me to get 4Gb

>>60093139
>>60093145
Ok so no more ram, upgrade the cards to a single 1080 ti, and cry more about the waste of money on the bluray player I already have got it.

>>60093154
I've got about 20C ambient
samsung 850evo keeps at 33C under a fan

>>60093149
Thank you. That is a surprisingly helpful green text answer

>>60093159
>best decision I made in 2011 - got 8Gb of RAM when everybody told me to get 4Gb

recommending 4 in 2011 was like recommending 8 now days

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>>60093154
Hey, so long as I avoid condensation temperatures having 20C average temps on my storage is all good.
Come summer though and my Noctua is going to put itself to good use.
Temps from 2 days ago.

>>60093143
>tried 1.20v at 4.6 and it worked great as far as temps go but it needs more voltage
What's the safe voltage upper limit for 7700k? 1.3v like usual?

>>60093164
bluray players are useless on PC, going around the region locking is a pain in the ass and even then there are disc you won't be able to play because of firmware problems
bluray writers you at least have a chance to burn big ass data discs

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>>60093210
I would assume

This is what happens when I let my mb handle it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DGVXGf

Is pci ssd a meme?

>>60093243
just get a normal ssd

>>60093242
Whoa look at that core no.2, it's the weakest spot. Everything else is laptop tier temperature under max load.
What temp does 7700k throttle at again?

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>>60093006
7700K easily does 5ghz without 1.4v

>>60093263
100

>>60093300
Nice. What are you using for cooling?

>>60093243
I want to get 960 evo just to get rid of cables

>>60092982
either go full b350 cheapfag or spend the extra ~10% to step up to 24" freesync, 8gb vram, psu that will handle any future housefire gpu, 3200mhz ram you can use on future builds/tighten timings at lower clocks, x370 with built in wifi and an m.2 drive. you wanna be cool in the speccy breads or what?

>>60093383
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kgKLBP
whoops I was distracted by all this x370 pussy I get.

>>60093393
change your ssd to something better

>>60093174
>green text
it's called "quoting"

Can you point me in the right direction? Is 1600(X)/ 1080Ti combo worth upgrading from i5-4670k / 980Ti? Mainly used for gaming including VR. Or there is a better deal? What does the sticky mean by saying that Ryzen has issues with NVidia cards?

>>60093704
1600X/980ti since you already have a 980ti
wait for Nvidia's Volta

should I wait for Ryzen Pro?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tmJXGf

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I just built a new PC, and thought I could use an old PSU from my previous machine. It's loud as fuck though. Should I try to lubricate the fan, or just buy a new one?

>>60093752
It comes out next year m8 and we have 0 idea how much it will improve upon current Ryzen
so stick to current Ryzen

>>60093905
buy a fanless seasonic 500w

>>60093915
Hey, thanks for the (you) m8. Are seasonics dead silent? Is it pointless to try and lubricate the fan on my current psu?

>>60093942
i think fanless implies less noise than psus with fans

The motherboard ram support manual says it supports

CMK32GX4M2B3000C15

but the ram's model number is
CMK32GX4M2B3000C15R

Aside from that R at the end everything matches up in terms of the model # and description. Am I good or is that R important distinction and not just a vendor appendage.

The motherboard is the PRIME X370-PRO and the ram is Corsair Vengeance LPX.

>>60093393

I made a few modifications to your meme build, including a far better monitor and psu now. You plan on putting a cooler in that thing?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jHjQ9W

>>60094012
R stand for color. yup, that's it

>>60094027
Me being overly paranoid over asinine shit as usual. Thanks.

>>60094012
first one is black
other one is red
make damn sure the RAM is from the same manufacturer

>>60094031
CMKs got samsung E dies
should run okay

>>60088382
I have $2000 and want to build a gaming PC that can max games out at 1080p 144hz. What are my options?

I'm willing to go up on the price if it can get me that much better of a PC. I also need monitor recommendations... I currently don't own any PC parts and just have my Macbook.

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>>60094014
I made a few modifications to your meme build, including a far better monitor and psu now. You some kinda poorfag?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cTxmHN

Just got this, did I do good?

pcpartpicker.com/list/q7FhJV

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wew r5 ryzen sure made amd popular
most of the builds are amd/amd ones now

>>60094278
R51600-580/8 is the midrange combo right now until zen+/vega/coffee/volta
>12t, freesync 2
I'm surprised too.

>>60094231
add a hard drive

>Spend all morning assembling new computer
>Go to turn it on
>No reaction, from anything

Right, does anyone have any ideas?
So far I've tried

>Unplugging everything and plugging it back in again
>Only plugging in CPU and the CPU fan
>Testing the power supply with a paper clip to see if it works (it does)

My assembled computer not working has happened to me a couple of times before, but usually at least the case fans turn on. But now when I press the power button literally nothing happens. No reaction from the mobo, the CPU, the PSU or the case fans. No sounds, nothing.

I'm not sure what to do at this point. I guess it's possible that the mobo is faulty, but the case fans should still turn on if that was the case, right?

The setup is
1700x with a Noctua NH-D15 SE AM4
Asus Prime x370-Pro
Corsair RM750x
Fractal Design Define R5

If someone here owns the fractal case I would appreciate a picture of how the front panel stuff is connected. It might (very likely) be that I'm retarded and plugged the front panel wires in wrong, so getting confirmation that that is the case would be nice.

>>60094322
I will, later on

>>60094466
The most obvious one, which I am guilty of before and I've seen a lot of people do.

Is your PSU properly connected to your motherboard? I've seen people forget to connect the 24 pin and 8 pin.

>>60094483
Yeah, double and triple checked that one since I've made the same mistake as well. It's connected.

I've had huge difficulty with getting the 24-pin connector in so at first I thought it might not be connected properly, but it can't go any deeper.

>>60094503
Did you turn on the switch at the back of the PSU.

>>60094466
unplug every single thing from the motherboard but the CPU.Yes, remove the RAM. Yes, unplug the CPU fan while still having it on the motherboard

unplug evrything from the psu

then, plug only the psu 24 pin cable to the motherboard. Yes, do not plug the CPU power cable.

Also, try using another outlet doing this. Reseat the PSU to outlet cable while you're at it. There's 0 change it doesn't power up unless your mobo or PSU is broken. If it does work you can work your way up from there, CPU + FAN first, then GPU + GPU power cables, then the rest

>>60094503
Also did you try turning the computer on via the power on switch on the mobo and not the front header panel connection.

>>60094541
Yes I did
>>60094549
No power switch on the mobo itself

>>60094548
I'll try this, haven't tried without the CPU fan or RAM. Will report back in a minute or two

>>60094503
unplug all sata, front usb and front panel connectors. Make sure cpu, gpu and ram are seated. check bios chip(s) and make sure they're seated. unplug psu and remove the battery for 5 minutes. pop batt back in and short pwr swtch pins on front panel header with a screwdriver. >case pwr button could be faulty.
if anything happens just wait.
if it fails to post or no beep code, unplug the 8 pin and pwr again with screwdriver. If the fans spin up, either the mobo or cpu is bad. Start with mobo

Reminder that the bare minimum to see if your computer can actually start is PSU + motherboard, nothing else is needed for the motherboard to actually run
Also, you can turn on your motherboard without a case: by making contact between two pins using a metallic object (generally a screw)
https://youtu.be/BZqunOrUWeM?t=1m48s

Black case on white motherboard, black on black or white case on black motherboard. Case fashion is serious business.

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>>60094583
>No power switch on the mobo itself
Well that sucks, I guess I've been spoiled.
If you're worried about the front panel, go read your manual.

Dad build, still on a q6600 and it's having problems with video.
I know reviews of the full radeon 7 igp were favorable. Do you think this would be good for social networking, 1080p media and maybe some light games for the grandkids when they visit? Figure I could clock the igp as far as it will go and bump the cpu a little too if the temps/voltages were okay, I know it's trash but he's a cheapass. He'll prob use this until 2027

>>60094677
now i look even more retarded
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gt2LBP

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>>60094548
>>60094583
Okay, this had no reaction either
>>60094589
Everything is currently unplugged. I tried it earlier with just the CPU, RAM and GPU and nothing happened.

I'll try removing the battery and then doing the trick with the screwdriver, but I tried it earlier and that didn't work either. Hadn't removed the battery at the time though.

Just tried it again, no reaction whatsoever.

>>60094664
Yeah, I wish it was something so simple as just flipping a switch.

>>60094135
there's no one here that will make a build for you
you have to make one yourself and post it here so that we can tell you what you could or shoudl change

>>60094693
Dead motherboard.

>>60094693
try powering up the motherboard with a screwdriver

>>60094677
You might as well buy a refurbished thinkpad at that price instead of building a PC.

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>>60094697
pls no

What are the chances that in the year of our lord 2017 I managed to fry the mobo somehow?

I have no extra screws anywhere and I've been keeping it on the anti-static bag before installation.
Also if I actually have managed to fry it, what are the chances that the warranty guys are going to notice?

>>60094700
Just did in the post you were replying to.

>>60094664
just short it with screwdriver

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>>60094713
>What are the chances that in the year of our lord 2017 I managed to fry the mobo somehow?
High. Or you got shipped a lemon because of overwhelming bad luck.

>>60094713
remove battery and unplug everything, short clear cmos
connect everything back in 10 minutes

>>60094713
If it's under warranty you'll definitely get a replacement. I've rarely seen motherboard replacement rejected even when it's clearly the end-user's fault. Unless you like dumped it in water or there is obvious physical damage you'll be able to get a replacement.

Is it a new motherboard? In which case your chances are even higher since they almost 100% replace DoA.

>>60094713
That's what you get for buying an AM4 ASUS mobo.

>>60094753
prime should be fine now
harder to brick than gaming 5
in theory

>>60094758
>in theory
Like communism, it fails in reality.

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>>60094726
I don't know at what part I would've shorted it though, I haven't done anything out of the ordinary except manage to install the heatsink poorly.
>>60094743
Pretty much done this 2-3 times so far
>>60094744
Yeah I bought the components yesterday and put it together today so it's brand new
>>60094753
I was under the impression Asus is one of the better ones

Pic related, what it must look like to someone that knows what they are doing

>>60094713
It's not your fault. I once got a new alternator for a car that was dead and spent an entire weekend replacing it and troubleshooting every possible angle because it just got a new part and wasn't charging properly.
If it's been under 30 days you might be able to return/exchange it. contact the retailer first as that will prob be fastest.

>>60094775
>brand new
Contact the manufacturer. They'll definitely ship a new one.

>>60094610
not even a CPU ?

What's a good budget SSD around 250gb size in Romania?

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Is the SeaSonic M12II 620 Bronze good?

>>60094832
yes

>>60094862
seasonic is actual manufacturer
they do not just slap their logo on PSUs
all of them are well built

>>60094862

Have small Seasonic for years and I'm very happy with it. Super silent and dependable.

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is this good as a low-end machine to attach to a TV, watch Netflix, play SNES games and maybe later add an HDD and use for file-server?

>>60094854
generic good budget SSDs around that size would be alright too

stupid question, do I use two or one cable to run from PSU to x2 8pin GPU? does it matter?

New BIOS for the MSI B350 Tomahawk and Mortar just released today. Changelog for both only mention memory improvements, will try later today when I'm back home and report back (I have a Mortar)

>>60092169
Looks good except for the anus 1070, especially when you're probably on 1080p 60hz

>>60094775
Is this not within the first 30 days?
Even after 30 days, if it's Ryzen or something and you were waiting on other parts, your retailer might accept it back.

>>60094854
Crucial MX300, Western Digital Blue, Samsung 850 EVO.

>>60094862
Yes, very.

>>60095041
Does the motherboard have a graphics chipset or something..?
idk dude you're better off with an A4 an older Pentium G. That looks too weak even for a media player.

>>60095397
Were you having the slow POST issue with it?

>>60095579
Returning it is not the issue. Everything should be covered under warranty, but of course I'd much rather fix the issue myself so that I can start using the computer immediately.

But I'm stumped and I have no ideas left. Thanks to the people that tried to help even if no solution was found.

Going to shamefully walk into the shop I bought this shit from and watch from the sidelines as they solve the problem in 15 minutes.

>>60088382
What is this cum dumpster?

>>60095624
Yep, but it's not as terrible as people make it out to be. It just takes like 10 seconds to output to the screen but once it does, boot process is quick and normal.
It may also be that people are using wrong or unsupported memory timings so the mobo beeps like a mofo and tries a couple of times until it actually decides it can boot, and if you don't install the mobo speaker you might not even notice.

>>60095683
I still think 10 seconds is shameful. It's been like a month and MSI should have fixed this by now.

>>60095706
Yep, it's bullshit but at least it's a predictable and completely inoffensive problem, and it's not like it's taking a minute+ to boot. If nobody else reports back in the meantime I'll do it later.

For people with longer POST times, check with a mobo speaker or roll back to 2400 on the RAM, the mobo might be retrying two or three times to POST and you might not even notice and think it's taking too long. With the XMP settings mine beeped and retried like 2 or 3 times before it could boot, but boots on the first try with XMP off, the speed punched directly by hand and timings on Auto.

Is g4560+rx470 still a good combo?

>>60095841
if you can still find an RX470 really cheap, like $130, yeah. I saw one of those yesterday but cheapest I'm seeing today is $150.

RX560 might be the better choice now, depending on price, as an RX570 is just too much for a G4560 on AAA games and you get pretty heavily CPU bottlenecked.

>>60095774
B350 tomahawk here and it isn't as bad as people are making out, I've timed it to 12 seconds from off to windows.

>>60095904
I'm form EU and the cheapest price for RX470/RX570 is 200 euro. I saw someone selling used Sapphire RX470 Nitro for 150 euro so maybe it will be the best choice for me.

>>60095904
>CPU bottlenecked
>G4560

what game uses more than 2 cores?

Whens the next ryzen major update coming? I want to get my memory past 2400

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n3Wvqk

>>60096015
We will continue to update you on future AGESA releases when they’re complete, and we’re already working hard to bring you a May release that focuses on overclocked DDR4 memory.

>>60096037
what will you use it for?

>>60096012
Civilization, Assassins Creed, Hitman
Strategy and many-npc games.

>>60096012
any game, even bethesda one, will use at least 4 core

>>60096012
>what game uses more than 2 cores?
You're retarded. Go away. Go solve your ignorance elsewhere.
No one is going to waste time spoon feeding your stupid ass.

>>60096012
hm, all of them?
8 threads is a norm, more advanced games get 12-16 threads but that's still not that common

>>60096070
dont be mean, maybe you should go away

>>60096047

source?

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>>60096089
no idea

>>60096015
gigabyte guy hinted at next week beta bios to include new agesa for RAM
I hope it doesn't break anything again

>>60096074
>more advanced games get 12-16 threads
That's not really how it works.
In most cases they're using more in the realm of 8-40 but multiple software threads stack together on one hardware thread. Like, duh.

>>60096089
You can literally google the sentence to get the source, you tard.

>>60096104
>I hope it doesn't break anything again
It will. I'd wait for at least 2 weeks of BIOS updates before updating to a new AGESA BIOS.

>>60088382
When will AMD release their ITX boards? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>60096119
>hardware hipsters

slap a sticker on your forehead if you want to be special

>>60096111
I've got everything but CPU, can wait

>>60096015
Try 2667 manually with 1.35V instead of XMP profiles, works for some people's combination of RAM and mobo

does Ryzen 5 have performance hindrances if used with Windows 7 64?

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>>60096322
Yes a bit. And just Windows in general.
It's about 5-20% faster in Linux. In Linux it actually typically destroys the single thread IPC of Skylake.
https://www.xda-developers.com/xda-takes-on-ryzen-in-depth-look-of-amds-new-processors-on-the-linux-side/
This "Ryzen IPC is 5% behind Kabylake" is a Windows only thing.

Hopefully MS will fix this shit with Naples coming. But a lot of you ought to be switching to Linux for your main desktop anyway, and just use KVM/Qemu for Windows if you need to.

People say that Windows is compiled on Intel's compiler a lot, but I've seen no actual source on that.

>>60096454
oh I meant compared to windows 8.1, and 10 because there was this story of Win 7 not getting updates for newer CPUs or whatever it was

I'm too addicted to video games so I can't let that go

>>60096476
Like I said, use KVM/Qemu. It's only a 1-5% performance loss. Takes a few hours to set up even if you're a novice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37D2bRsthfI

>>60096454
>>60096497
Wasn't there something about Ryzen having issues with PCI passthrough, or was that FUD?

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Can a G.skill trident Z 3200mhz hit that number on an OC'd b350 motherboard? I read some people have been having issues with doing that on asus b350 motherboards even tho in their website they claim to be able to support that. Would overclocking a b350 motherboard to support 3200mhz of memory make the system unstable or cause any risks for damages?
>pic unrelated

>>60096528
It's not an issue of ryzen, but the IOMMU grouping of the motherboards which can be fixed in BIOS and some groups are working with the vendors on that.
Even if BIOS updates don't fix it, work arounds in the OS can.

>>60096534
Idk look at the QVL.
Might have to drop to 2666-2933.

>>60096567
I did, that specific ram was also mentioned by ryzen for working well with it. Some anon mentioned the AGESA update, gonna just have to wait i guess...

>>60096567
>It's not an issue of ryzen
Okay, thanks for clearing that up. When the time to upgrade comes, virtualization is then definitely a tempting choice.

>>60094713
>What are the chances that in the year of our lord 2017 I managed to fry the mobo somehow?
>I've been keeping it on the anti-static bag

High. Anti-static bags are only anti-static on the inside, bruh.

>>60096625
The AGESA updates often temporarily make things worse but they should become better than before after some more updates.
If it works on this AGESA, it should work on another at least after some more updates that the vendor does.

But really I'd buy what's cheap. If it's cheap 3200 that only runs at "2933", that's not a huge deal.

>>60096698
Putting motherboard on anti-static bag is fine. Even putting it on carpet is actually fine, seriously.
Putting it on top of the box is a good choice, though.
The biggest danger is of yourself shocking it.. which you'd feel. And even if you did shock it, that's usually unlikely to shock it in a place that'd kill it.

What usually happens is just bad luck getting a DoA board, damaged in shipping or something.

Other than that, the most common case I've seen of people killing boards is putting it directly against the case and turning it on.
Funny story, one of my friends when I was a teenager wanted me to help him build a computer. His dad was an electrical engineer and didn't trust me to. His dad screwed it in directly against the case and turned it on. Killed it immediately.

>>60096567
Does the KVM+passthrough stuff still need a second keyboard/mouse and monitor?

>>60096758
As in without standoffs? Dear God.

>>60096497
don't you need a second GPU for that? I can't do that now and I wouldn't be able to do that with Ryzen, never was a fan of dual GPU setups

>>60096831
>As in without standoffs
Yes, exactly. They were included with the board and everything, too. He just didn't read the manual, and didn't think to wonder what that bag of standoffs was for.
And he was an electrical engineer, that after those two things, still thought he ought to put a circuit board down against metal.

>>60096851
You don't NEED one. You'll just lose video to your Linux desktop without it.
I think with Vega you should be able to do it on one GPU, though, with GPU virtualization.
Otherwise yeah you'll need an iGPU or another dGPU if you want to keep video for your Linux DE.

>>60096821
>Does the KVM+passthrough stuff still need a second keyboard/mouse and monitor?
No.. look at the video. He has one mouse and keyboard.
Two monitors and GPUs is better, but not totally necessary.

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Please help.
Spent all day buying new parts and changing everything only to be greeted by a black screen.
The PC powers up but doesn't boot anything and only shows a black screen.
Things I replaced are cpu,Mobo,ram and hdds.
Does it matter to which slot I connected the GPU because I just went with the one easiest to reach.
Also connected HDDs to random slots.

>>60097255
>Does it matter to which slot I connected the GPU because I just went with the one easiest to reach.
read your motherboard manual, for fucks sake

>>60097255
>Does it matter to which slot I connected the GPU because
it might

I'm going to build a bang for the buck pc this summer and would like to do it as soon as possible, at what time would it be wise to do so? Will there be some noticeable price drops soon after vega (or something else) is released?

>>60097407
depends on your budget
1070 is arguably bang for the buck card, so is 580
but different brackets

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>Build new computer
>Get Phanteks Eclipse P400S case
>2x140mm intake, 1x120mm exhaust
>Negative pressure

Fuck you whoever recommended this chassis to me in a past thread.

>>60097431
>1070 is arguably bang for the buck card
wat? No, it's the worst. Even worse still when you factor in the extra GSync cost.
A 1080 or 1080Ti give you more for the money than the 1070, even.

A 1070 costs twice as much as an RX570 yet is only about 30-45% better. That's terrible as fuck value.

>>60097407
idk you gave like no info on your budget or what you actually want. Read the OP.

>>60097436
I told you not to get the Phanteks. lmao.

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>>60097387
>>60097388
I'm a retard,changed the GPU slot and now it boots although I'm greeted by this screen.
And for some reason it does not respond when I try to enter the bios settings

>>60097431
I'm aiming at the 580 bracket, budget maybe 850-950$

>>60097513
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/znwJHN
Best value you can do for 1440p.
Get RX570 4GB for 1080p or if you really want to downsample 1440p to 1080p as it's otherwise much worse value.
1500X instead of 1600 is fine if you don't want to overclock and are so sure you don't need 6 cores.

>>60097478
what i plan to do on the pc is gayming in 1080p@144hz, I mainly play arena fps games (quake live, reflex) and want to play quake champions in decent settings. I have 2 monitors and would like to be able to play video game on one minitor and shitpost/watch video on the other. I don't really care for the ultra mega graphics settings, I just want decent details with stable framerate above 144 fps.

>>60097506
Cause you have an overcurrent on your usb device. Most likely the front usb, disconnect them from your motherboard.

Why are OLED monitors so goddamn expensive?
Why are OLED TVs and smartphone screens so much more common than OLED monitors?

>>60097622
Even the RX460 will do 300+ fps in Quake Live, CS:GO, etc.
It's on sale for $85 right now at newegg I think.
But I'd still just recommend the RX570. It's such good value.

>>60097478
Should we just remove 1070 from "worthwhile graphics cards"?
Even not factoring in the extra Gsync cost, which is needed to make use of the higher but varied framerates, it's not good value.
1080s keep going on sale for $420-$460 while 1070s have remained too expensive for weeks now.

>>60097652
Isn't LG coming out with one in the $1k-$2k range? Seems reasonableish.
The bigger problem is the uncertainty about whether or not the degradation is solved or not.

NEW THREAD

>>60097739
>>60097739
>>60097739

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>>60097649
The only USB connectors I connected to the Mobo were the one to the USB 1112 slot.
Which raises the next question shouldn't I have a connector to the USB 3 port.
Also there are front USB ports which were half working with my previous build but it doesn't seem like I connected them to the Mobo unless they connect through the 1112 slot.
Also it's pretty much impossible to reach them,pic related.