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>Recommended models:
>not T450
>not X250

>>60081576
FPBP

>>60081576
t. mactoddler

>>60081668
t. poorfag

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HP 2570p >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x230 > dogshit > x220 and older
deal with it

>>60081783
2570p would be GOAT if there was IPS available for it + middle click scroll

>>60081798
it can have IPS. 51nb has board for this model to support eDP.
Also you can always route your screen to the internal dock port.
>middle click scroll
I miss it desu senpai, but I can live with it. Touchpad on the other hand is much better than the x230 one, so I dedicated it to the two finger scrolling.

>>60081839
>51nb has board for this model to support eDP
the absolutely crazy chinks are back at it again

>Touchpad on the other hand is much better than the x230 one
It's glass isn't it?

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Reminder that the T440p meme is coming

"So... T440p seems like the next step up from T430 in terms of computers on the downtrend of being dumb cheap.

Here's the quick rundown:

This is the "T430" of fourth gen - the T440/T440s is a ULV, avoid since at that point you should just get an X240.

Garbage TrackPad is replacable with a good one quite easily.

PGA946 socket means it is Socketed / Upgradable

- i7-4702MQ to chill at 37W
- i7-4910MQ for 47W upgrade
- i7-4930MX for 57W MEME TIER HOUSEFIRE upgrades

The T440p actually went all the way up to 4900MQ on Lenovo's site (47W), but after its' launch we got the 4910 MQ and the 4702MQ, which is basically a 4700MQ with a 10W lower TDP (37, down from 47). This was previously only possible with 47W, which means nowadays we can get a nice quad core and actually get MORE battery out of it than back when the laptop launched.

100Wh battery available, which will couple very nicely with a 4702MQ @ 37W TDP. T430 goes to 94Wh @ 45W TDP. Going off comparing the Wh to the TDP alone makes the T440p last ~29% longer.

16GB RAM, takes T420/T430 RAM just fine.

FHD SCREEN. FHD SCREEN. FHD SCREEN. These models have the glorious IPS displays that T420/T430 owners kill for, and we wait fucking months/years to get our hands on a kit.

T440p auctions have an INSANE price range for completed auctions, going anywhere from as little as $150 to $500 for fully functioning units (yes, the $150 was a recently sold fully functioning unit). People don't know what it's worth, or don't want to pay a lot because of what a mess the trackpad was. As always, I recommend buying a working unit sans HDD / RAM.

And finally, get this. THE WHITELIST DOESN'T WORK IN THE T440P! You can install ANY WiFi card on BIOS versions 2.32 - 2.36 because of a bug in the BIOS checking the whitelist, AND YOU CAN DOWNGRADE BIOS IF NEEDED! NO FLASHING LIKE ON THE T430!"

>>60081986
>keyboard layout

>>60081986
>t440p
>overheating and shutting down in quad core + nvidia model when docked
no thanks

>>60082065
>he says this as if the older models don't immediately explode under any quad core configuration

Are you being ironic or just stupid?

>>60082016
Yeah that's a real shame. Good thing that's just a shitty meme. Enjoy your media keys I guess.

>>60081986
wtf I love T440p now

>>60082157
my old t430 with i7-3630qm and overlocked nvs5400m was working fine, even when docked
t440p cooling system is much worse

>>60082366
No, you don't.

I run my t430 with a 3840qm, and I had to install an nvidia heatsink on my iGPU model just to stop it from throttling.

Both of us run 45W processors.

Nearly everyone who actually puts a load on their 45W quads reports the same along with it being downright unusable in a dGPU model.

Why are you lying on the internet?

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>>60082366
>t430

>>60082419
there is a difference between i7-3630qm and i7-3840qm, you dumb fuck.
And no wonder it was overheating if you tried to run a 45W CPU on this small piece of shit heatsink. This is why nvidia is required, so CPU TDP is limited to 35W (minus iGPU) and rest is handled by separate pad.
And I still got multiple pictures of my t430 heatsink mod, before I sold this shit and got a proper laptop :^) >>60081783

>>60082467
>bragging about being too inept or poor to own a better laptop and/or flash their chip

Seriously?

>>60082475
>He doesn't understand that 45W is 45W no matter what

Wew

>>60082475
>Having a dedicated graphics card reduces heat compared to the integrated one
What

>>60082475
post those pictures. I've been trying to mod my t420s but i have no idea how. or should i just get a new laptop since none of the older panel even come close to 100% srgb

>>60082490
45W is 35W CPU + 10W iGPU.
>>60082639
Reduces heat on a single pad, which is the direct reason of overheating.

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>>60081783
Looks so comfy. More manufactures should build their notebooks like this.

>>60081986
They're too expensive in Germany anyways, ~400€.

>>60082016
Hopefully Lenovo will listen to the survey where the majority choosed the 7 row keyboard over newer 6 row ones.

http://2008.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-survey-2-displays-keyboard

>>60082842
this is literally not true.

As >>60082419 already pointed out, having a GPU only makes the heating worse. It might not make it worse on that one point, but the entire damn thing heats up instead and the CPU throttles like a bitch.

On the other hand, those who upgraded WITHOUT nVidia are actually able to use their 45W CPUs without setting their houses on fire.

Fuck off with your shitty bait.

>>60081986
i want desperate poorfags who only care about specs to leave

--40 generation was a fucking disgrace, you are buying a joke

>>60082981
It's objectively better in every way except the keyboard.

What exactly is your gripe here? How are other people poor when you're probably running some shitty X61 with 1GB of RAM?

>>60082967
>On the other hand, those who upgraded WITHOUT nVidia are actually able to use their 45W CPUs without setting their houses on fire.

What if I disable the discrete GPU?

>>60082467
Non meme reasons to avoid the T430?

>>60083050
here's the non-meme version of that image:
- T420 has shittier specs
- T420 can flash out the whitelist with software, which is only relevant if you want a new WLAN card
- T420 will respect your freedoms later this year since coreboot is coming out

- T430 requires a hardmod to use a new WLAN card
- T430 has the new keyboard, BUT has the option to swap it out
- T430 has better specs

Both are roughly the same price, T420 maybe $20-40 cheaper overall.

>>60083074
Thank you. I was looking at the T430 and the better specs were winning me over. (Provided I can deal with the keyboard.)

Why would someone need to swap a WLAN card? Just for newer Wifi tech like ac?

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T92 THIS YEAR

>>60083029

No it wasn't. The build totally changed and now its dogshit. It looks and feels like some average cheapo Walmart machine now. The ThinkLight was fantastic. You could have documents on either side working in total darkness and you could read them both clearly. Real business use and real innovation. Axed in the name of bullshit cost cutting and style.

>>60083105
Yes, the autists in this board that own a T420 do it just to say they can without hard modding.

>>60083124

This may seem like an insignificant thing but, the hinges. I don't like the axis they're placed on. Top mounted hinges are so much nicer to open and they have the HUGE added benefit of allowing the rear to be used for ports. Things like power, Ethernet and display connections should only be on the rear. USB and such, commonly removed things on the side. That's the logical thing.

>>60083159
>working in total darkness

who the fuck does this

>>60083206

Working and casual use in total darkness? Many people.

>>60083159
Yes, the build totally changed. Only aesthetically. The ThinkLight IS fantastic, I agree here. However, "dogshit" is pushing it a bit. It's still structurally sound. You can still toss it off ladders and have it be in one piece. Other than the keyboard and thinklight, which I understand for some people, but you're kidding yourself if you think most people here use it for memes other than just seeing their keyboard - it's not that bright and you're full off shit if you tell me you're doing real work with documents to the side of your laptop. I'm trying this from a T430 and it isn't bright enough.

It's a good machine, and I'll be testing the T440p memes next week.

>>60083206
Not him but I do astigmatism makes me see beams of light while directly looking at them or while in my peripheral vision and it gets in the way so I do tend to work or do most things on my computer in total darkness

>>60083239
plus the thinklight looks like absolute shit if you have a heavily used keyboard

>>60083201
Agreed.

Can I put a second HDD or SDD in my t460? I have a single SSD now but I'd like to have a second boot medium.

Or should I just install a live linux on a 64GB USB drive and just carry it around?

>>60083239
Come back here when you are finished testing. Would like to hear your opinion on this.

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>>60083337
They fixed the keyboard flex with the t440p rollcage

>>60083300
I'm not 100% sure but I think you can have one M.2 SSD and one 2.5 inch SSD/HDD.

You can also partition your single SSD to install multiple operating systems on it.

>>60083431
>You can also partition your single SSD to install multiple operating systems on it.
wait really? I thought you couldn't partition SSDs lol.

>>60083467
What the fuck

>>60083515
really I'm not kidding I thought SSDs couldn't be partitioned. Actually they can't on hardware level ofc but I just never looked into it much. Always assumed you couldn't create multiple partitions for OS

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Is it possible to output video signal from vga and dvi from the dock at the same time ? Got a dell monitor for free from work, would be perfect to use in portrait mode for debugging and shit

>>60083568
Yes, but not on integrated. Since you have an NVS, it should be possible but I don't know if the deck supports it since it would run both signals through the dock's lane. At worst you just run the VGA through the laptop.

>>60083074
T430 has USB3.0 ports while the T420 doesn't.

>>60083596
Oh right. The T420 memers have no leg to stand on.

>>60083074
>T430 has better specs
lmao

>>60083610
it doesn't have a hardware whitelist though

>>60083105
>Why would someone need to swap a WLAN card?
because they don't want to wait five hours sitting a foot away from the router to download a 1GB file?

>>60083742
We already went over this. They're both "hardware whitelists". T420 autists just don't want to spend the $30 and disassembly time to hardmod it.

>>60083730
Are you retarded?

>>60083761
How does ac help? What does the spec actually do? Is it the one that includes 5GHz?

>>60083873
>They're both "hardware whitelists"
not really tho

>>60083881
>How does ac help?
are you shitting me? go get a dual band ac router and a gigabit internet connection and see for yourself.

Leave it to you autists to make my undecided ass doubt wether to buy a 420 or a 430... depending on the hour you check this general it's eithe full suport for one or the other...

>>60083370
I meant your opinion on the whole t440p.

>>60082867
>>60081783
I really hope you get paid for this.

>>60083074
>which is only relevant if you want a new WLAN card
and a (((non-genuine))) battery

>>60083940
Nope.

I have a third party battery. It will complain but boot just fine.

>>60083911

>depending on the hour you check this general it's eithe full suport for one or the other

That's because they don't differ in much. It boils down to personal preference. I like the chiclet keys over the old ones, but not the layout. That's basically the only thing with the T430, that and some whitelist stuff if you want to use other wifi cards and whatever. If that shit doesn't bother you then the only thing to consider is whether or not you like the keyboard. The T430 is of course more powerful thanks to being a generation ahead for CPU and GPU if you get a model with dedicated graphics.

>>60083911
That's because you're retarded.
>>60083964
There's literally not a single way the T420 beats the T430 if you're willing to mod it. Not a single one.

>>60083964
How much more powerful though, if they’re both gonna crap the bed, or there won’t be much difference when I’m watching 1080 stuff on youtube and tackle some cad and slicer stuff I guess I should just buy a tablet and stick with upgrading my desktop. I just want something portable to tote around during the weekend to wherever I go.

>>60084014
I'm well aware of that.

i am this>>60082867 guy

>>60083923
Stumbled upon this in the last thread and looked up the review and was amazed by the comfyness, nothing else.

>>60083916
I'm not the original t440p anon but I can say this:

>good performance
>native usb 3
>easy 1080p ips
>decent enough battery life
>really easy to maintain

>keyboard layout
>need to do trackpad swap
>lid is flexy

>>60083585
thanks, i will look further into it!

>>60084239
Do you have a T430 for comparison?

>>60084281
x220 and dell m4800 owner

also used to own a hp 8470p

>>60083923
I do this pro bono, senpai

>>60084295
Do you prefer your T440p over the others? Are you using a 37W or 47W CPU? If the latter, what's your average runtime on a 9-cell?

Also
>lid is flexy
Isn't a downside, unless for some reason you're saying it wobbles as you type.

>>60084014

>There's literally not a single way the T420 beats the T430 if you're willing to mod it. Not a single one.

Yeah ok but I'm talking about just stock everything. With modding anything is possible. I personally don't mind the T430 as it is. I think the keyboard is fine and don't care about the ability to use chink batteries nor the ability to put in non-approved wifi cards, as the T430 has a rear Ethernet port and would be sitting on a desk for 99% of the time for me enabling the maximum transfer speed from my router. At 18 mbps my connection isn't even bottlenecked by my router over wifi anyway.

>>60083911
If you are willing to swap a 420 keyboard into your 430 then you should definitely get a 430. Now, if you're willing to do hardware mods to remove the wifi card whitelist then it's unquestionable that you should get the 430. If you're scared to mod anything at all don't even get a fuckin thinkpad you cautious cunt.

>>60084515

ThinkPads are not for hobbyist modding. They're business machines expected to just work. You CAN mod them, but don't shit on someone if they don't want to tinker around with it past hardware upgrades and normal maintenance.

>>60084014
>if you're willing to mod it.
lmfao

>>60084581
>>>/v/

>>60084417
Just an i5 4200m. Only have a 6 cell, I get about 5-6 hours out of it.

Lid doesn't wobble when I type, but it feels weaker than the lids on the 8470p/x220/m4800

>>60084644
Are you using a 100Wh OEM 9-cell? That performance is dreadful for an i5.

>>60084668
>Only have a 6 cell

>>60084603

>get a thinkpad guys, they just work!
>but first, you're going to need to mod things and follow pajeetforums guides

I'm not a NEET.

>>60084853
Oh okay that's quite reasonable then.

>>60084877
>You need to be a NEET to enjoy tinkering with your hobbies.

>>>/lgbt/

I'm typing this at work.

why is it so god damn hard to find a good thinkpad auction.

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>>60084946
Because you are retarded.

>>60081630
Yeah, they should update it and and the 2015 series, It's not as good as the 2012 one but still really good

>>60084962
started searching for thinkpads with no hdd and found a bunch of good deals, thanks anon!

>>60081630
>>60085019
X250 maybe, but
>T450

Are you retarded? The T450 is a ULV. No one should be stupid enough to buy that.

That's why people are suggesting the T440p now. It's decently priced and doesn't fall for the 15W meme. A T450p does't exist because they didn't refresh the non-ULV mobiles that year. T460p is stupid tier because of price.

>>60085043
This is how I've snatched up four T430 s in under a week for ~$100 each. The T430 originally came with HDDs that you are swapping out immediately anyway. Also look at ones with no battery, since you're going to put in a new one if you actually plan on using it outside anyway. Batteries age worse than any other component.

>>60081783
>that chinese knockoff design
no thanks bro.

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>>60085054
>ULV
My battery lasts 15 hours, and the components are still really good

I see no problem with this, ULV is good shit

>T440p
Are you retarded, that was the worst model

>>60085078
what battery is the best size?
looking at the 9 cell it seems so bulky or is it just the pictures?

>>60085134
9-cell sticks out about an inch out the back. Depends on your autism. I like having 9+ hours of battery life.

If you don't get OEM make sure you triple check that you're buying a 94Wh battery, chinks purposely sell 9-cells with 70-77Wh and people don't notice that difference.

>>60085120
The trackpad? You're going to buy a T450 with a ULV and spend way more money because you're too lazy to do what is by far the EASIEST ThinkPad mod out there? L M A O.

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>>60083596
This is the #1 reason why I went for xx30 series.
>inb4 hurr muh x220 i7, muh poorly working USB 3.0 card

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>>60081783
>dat 150nits shit contrast display

>>60085181
>I need to transfer files over USB with more than 25MBps all day every day

>>60085177
When I bought my ThinkPad it was no more than 50$ more expensive than t440 and those 50$ are worthy
My components are faster, I have more battery life and a have a normal trackpad

T440 is a meme

>>60084910

>hobbies

This is the difference between me and a poser memelord like you. I use my ThinkPad for work. You use your ThinkPad for posting cutesy shit on online forums and general loonex neckbeardery. Fuck off.

>>60085214
T440 is a terrible meme, yes.

T440p isn't. You have a ULV. Your CPU performance is literally about half of a T440p dumbass, because you are clocked lower and have less cores. And you paid the same price. Good job.

>>60085256
I'm literally replying to you, from work, on a T430 I convinced my employer to buy as a spare work laptop.

Get good shitlord.

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>>60083105
If you're new to ThinkPads, don't bother about the new keyboard. It's fine the way it is and background lighting + thinklight is also neat.

>>60085270

Get your story straight. Tinkering on a laptop as a hobby is not using a laptop for work. Nice try though.

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>>60085207
Yes I do frequently, hence my #1 reason to go for xx30 series.

>>60085295
>I can't use my hobbies for work
?????

Guys what do you think about the ThinkPad E560? I found it for around 800 Euros. It is the only model that I can find in my shitty third world country.

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Hey /g/ I'm stupid and I'm starting to think a Thinkpad™ may be the laptop for me!

What's the best way to spend <$800? And what's this about Lenovo installing rootkits on all their laptops?

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I'm about to sell my X220 and I'm not sure what to put it up for. Would 1500 sek / €160 be reasonable price? It has a TN panel. Pic related, it's the specs.

Guys, I can't find an answer to this but I'm almost sure I know it, I just need confirmation. The webcam assembly for xx20 and xx30 machines, do they have the ThinkLight LED on the board itself or is the LED a separate component independent of the webcam board?

So I ordered an X220t today. Any suggestions on what I should do with it when it comes?

>>60086224
>Any suggestions on what I should do with it when it comes?
send it back

>>60086236
k.

>>60086224
This >>60086236
You've been bamboozled.

>>60086224
>buying something and not knowing for what to use it
just consumerist things

pls kys

>>60085186
still better viewing angles than tn x220/x230

>>60085094
speaking of chinece shit, how's lelnopevovo retarded wannabe-1990 design?
oh wait

>>60085666
>SEK
captain sweden pls go

Going for a T530. i7 35x0M (forgot model, but it's 2C4T), 8gb RAM, 500gb HDD, original charger and 2h battery. One damaged USB 3.0 port.

Can the port be fixed? Honestly I don't see much use to it given I use at much 2 ports at a time but I'm kinda curious.

>>60086385
>still better viewing angles than these cherrypicked panels
top kek top kys

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>>60086385
Are you sure about that?

>>60086551
as opposed to what? the entire xx00 line pre 440 had absolute shit panels. It's the one weakness.

>>60086614
xxx0 line**

where can i get a copy of an ISO for windows XP tablet edition thats catered to work with a thinkpad X41t

Lubuntu has done that thing where it gives me two system errors on startup now for no reason and with no explanation, i dont want to have to reinstall linux again

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>start doing my homework using a VM
>finish hw
>turn off my ThinkPad™
>go to sleep
>get morning wood
>turn on my ThinkPad™ to check news and /g/
>get this
>what do?
Ive used boot-repair in the past using a live usb with success, this time boot-repair fails everytiem.

>>60087204
>that backlight glare
atrocious

>>60087272
This is what happens when you don't opt for the FHD IPS panel option.

>>60087434
That doesn't exist on that model

>>60087464
Doesn't stop you from installing one yourself.

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>>60087434
Looks fine to me.

>>60087505
Yes it does dipshit, there's no such thing as an eDP FHD IPS screen

>>60087528
For 14", AUO B140HAN01 fits the bill. It's eDP, FHD and IPS. Depending on connector location you may need an extension wire to make it work in your laptop. For sizes other than 14", there are similar models.

>>60087528
>>60087613
I meant LVDS** not eDP. eDP is what you want, LVDS is what is supported by the T420/T430.

There's a reason FHD mod kits are popular and rare.

>>60087639
LVDS to eDP converter boards do exist.

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is it worth it?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Lenovo-Thinkpad-P50-XEON-E3-1505M-M2000M-UHD-4K-64G-1TB-SSD-1TB-SSD-1TB-HDD-/252843656979?

>>60087741
Yes, and generic ones do not work because of connector issues. They also do not fit properly into the case.

Just stop. You're not the first genius to think of this. It's not an easy mod.

>>60087747
>thinkpads in space meme

they're all getting scrapped and replaced with hp zbooks

Would removing the fan from an x200 fuck anything up? Is it a heatsink?
just for comfort... it runs when windows is booted, but never on tails.

>>60087893
Please tell me this post is a joke.

>>60087893
>removing the fan from a 35W CPU
I hope your mom has home insurance

>>60087893
thats a real brain buster

>>60087893
Would removing the coolant from an air conditioner fuck anything up?
Would removing the radiator from a car fuck anything up?
Would removing the cooling rods from a reactor fuck anything up?
Would removing your head from your ass fuck anything up?

Fucking why?

>>60087893

It will make your CPU run (much) slower.

It won't cause excessive heat like some people here claim.

>>60088478
>It will make your CPU run (much) slower.

This is a consequence of excessive heat, dipshit.

Aw come on famm. I was just curious, because it sometimes doesn't run at all even when under load up to 55°c.

Do you guys think it's worth waiting for the qhd X1 carbon or should I just buy a full HD one now?

>>60082475
>pictures of my t430 heatsink mod
pics or it didnt happen

>>60085120
>My battery lasts 15 hours
doing what exactly? browsing the web? watching a movie? encoding?

fuck man

>>60089414
Definitely not encoding. Browsing maybe. I have a P50s and get similar time.

But remember, ULVs are literally half as powerful

>>60089433
hurr, with everything i can hit 6 hours

see? your post is shite

>>60089771
?

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Comfy

>>60085054
x250 is ulv too
and Intel did release the full power broadwell cpus, it just took some time

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>>60085054
>People are suggesting
It's one dude and he posted in two threads! People are hardly "suggesting!"

>>60086496
90% it's part of the mainboard. Thinkpads have never really really had ports on flex connectors or anything easy to replace.

>>60090064
There's at least two others who said they prefer it to their x220 or t430

>>60086604
there are two tn panels available by default in 2570p.
Which one are you talking about, shitpai?

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>>60081524
Official tier list.

>>60085054
>T440p
Nope.
>too overpriced
>overpriced as fuck spare parts, especially batteries
>touch trackpoint buttons
>overheating CPUs
>meme PSU connector
>case made of cheap plastic
no thanks.

>>60092588
>overpriced
It's $50 more than the other memepad recommendations
>overpriced spare parts, batteries
no, where the fuck are you looking
>touch trackpoint buttons
stop being lazy or don't get one?
>overheating CPUs
meme
>case made of cheap plastic
lmao it's just as sturdy, stop falling for shit memes

>>60092568
wtf i love x1 carbon 2nd gen now

>>60092620
>$50
wew lad, now you start to pull number out of your ass.
Maybe in murica. In jewrope cheapest t440p costs $400. NO THANKS.
>stop being lazy or don't get one?
what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
I'm playing FPS games on my 2570p with thinkpad clit. How could I do this with touch buttons?
It's shit and should not be bought by anyone with even minimum amount of brain.
>meme
fact. Check thinkwiki.de for more details and stop spreading FUD, fuccboi.

>>60092726
$0.02 has been deposited into your HP rewards account.

>>60092736
I'm not HP shill, you stupid thinkfag.
Dells are also fine. Everything is better than old cumstained shitpads you shill so much for.

Just upgraded to an (SL)(B3) IPS panel on my X230. So far there is no ghosting.

Thanks /tpg/

>>60092588
I have a T440p. It's fine. Yeah it's more expensive than the older models, but you pay more to get more. I have a faster CPU, 16 GB RAM and a FHD IPS screen.
>touch trackpoint buttons
Works fine for the most part. The only annoyance is that it's not as easy to feel the middle button. It was complete ass in Windows when I first got it but a couple driver updates later and it's really usable.
>overheating CPUs
News to me. I have one with an i7 and Nvidia GT 730 GPU and it's never had heat issues.
>meme PSU connector
What, the rectangular power connector? Don't care, it works fine.
>case made of cheap plastic
Only weak point is above the smart card slot. If I press hard there the topmost layer flexes a bit but does not creak or break. The stuff under it does not. The rest of the machine is very solid.

Are system76 laptops durable and sturdy? Looking at the gazelle.

Worth it get T440p:
- Intel graphics only, i5-4300M
- 4GB RAM
- 320GB HDD
- 1368x740
by 260€?

>>60094311

>4gb ram
into the trash it goes fampai

>>60094339
oh noes, that means it is forever doomed to have 4gb ram until the day it dies!

if only these laptops had some way of increasing the ammount of ram! they are just as bad as Apple!!!

Lads what's the best ultra portable? The x220 seems a little old now, no?

>>60094525
x1 carbon

>>60094157
Pls respond.

>>60083206
Trying to write essays before you go to bed and you just want to feel cozy

>>60093744
Your post was fine until you admitted to keeping the new track pad and not swapping it out. What is wrong with you?

>>60089840
it would help if your pic isn't so shitty.

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>>60084239
Why is it impossible for Lenovo to make something 2cm thick and put a quad core in it. I like everything about the T440p apart from the fact that it's 50% thicker than my X230. Everything's shitty 15w processors in pointless ultrathins or great 35-47w processors in stupid ultraphats.

My dream laptop is a T430s with a i7-QM and the thunderbolt 1. I could plug in an eGPU and have that laptop for years and years to come. Alas.

>>60096055
You're in luck.

The i7-3612QE and i7-3615QE are compatible with the T430s and are quad cores.

Now you just have to learn to solder BGAs.

It's been done though, some chink did a 3612QE swap on his x230. So either you find a repair shop that isn't braindead or learn to do it yourself and you're good.

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>>60096055
>>60096270
For comparison. Middle is a T430 quad core, right is the garbage normally in a T430s/X230, left is the quad core you can upgrade to.

>>60094311
>i5
>1366x740
kek
kys

Anyone here have any experience with the x230t? Just bought one used for classwork (MA in humanities). I've been using a sp1 for reading articles and coursework (printing is too expensive) and needed something that was useful for writing and more substantial work as well.

Budget: 600CAD
Location: Canada
Size: Less than 17"
Performance: would prefer a slightly more bulky laptop for better performance, but not too heavy (less than 4-5lb?)
Other requirements: nice battery life

>>60096812
T430 or T440p

>>60096812
Wouldn't mind a different brand, but the laptop must come with a warranty.

>>60096861
>warranty
You're in the wrong thread buddy. New ThinkPads for that price are all going to be utter trash, and old ones will never come with a warranty.

>>60096812
>Canada
how's the C16 bill?
Can you be still charged as a criminal for "assuming gender"?
lol canacucks

I bought a T420 with 8 GB RAM, 1600x900 screen, 500GB HDD.

Installed Antergos on it and it's a great little shitposting/movie machine but the tpacpi-bat isn't working for me. It just keeps showing the battery as not charging and not discharging even with the properly set thresholds.

Is everything regarding the power-saving options working on Windows 7?

I mean I have a legit Windows 7 Pro license but I prefer Linux on this machine.

>>60096945
Of course everything works when you install a real OS

>>60096968
Ahhh don't be a dick anon. It could be that I
m just too retarded to set it up correctly or maybe I have to tinker with the kernel a bit to get it to work. Had the same issue with Fedora and that is why I tried an Arch based distribution.

>>60096921
Can't wait to get out of cuckada, trudope is going to bring more rapefugees soon

>>60087204
you spin up your backups like any sane productive person
You do properly save your work and backup your OS right?

>>60087829
That's because they're not longer Thinkpads
Just Chinese consumer trash with a Thinkpad logo

Fell for the meme and got t520, and fn key doesnt work. Any suggestions? Im on ubuntu.

Who actually even uses the trackpad anymore? I've got it disabled on all but one of my thinkpads

>>60082867
>No rollcage
>Literally everything is unprotected

>>60083568
it depends whether the dvi is run off the same video lane as the vga, you can run dp and vga at the same time so if the dvi is run from the dp which is most likely then it should be fine

>>60083596
t420s does :^)

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>>60097851
>no rollcage

uh anon?

>>60097851
Except it does have a rollcage.
Also keep giving yourself reasons not to get 2x faster machine, kek.
HP is superior, and you need to deal with this, boy.

Alright /tpg/, i just bought a t60p for 10 dollars without a hard drive. Good deal or no? What type of hard drive would be able to be installed?

>>60097783
You sure it's not swapped with CTRL in BIOS?

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Is this Nvidia 1080p t530 a steal? 5 hours left 1 bid $130

Missing palm rest logo and keyboard is beat.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-T530-Intel-Core-i5-3320M-CPU-2-60GHz-500GB-HDD-8GB-RAM-2-OEM-AC-Adapters-/142363338714

>>60098538
no, ctrl works fine as fn when swapped. Fn must be fucked..

>>60098617
no, get w530 instead.
t530 is shit

>>60097919
>2x faster machine
kek

>>60098690
compare highest i7 model from x230 (i7-3520m, 3.6GHz) with most affordable quad core avaialble in 2570p (i7-3740qm, 3.7GHz). See the difference?
Now shoow yourself.

>>60098729
>shoow
kek
*shoot

>>60098659
>Useless.tiff

>>60098628
if you're telling me the physical "Fn" button works fine when it is set to be used as control, it's a software issue. Reflash BIOS or double check your OS.

>>60098774
nvs5400m is barely faster than hd4000 iGPU which you already have in this laptop, except it has 35W TDP instead of 10W on the iGPU.
T530 has shit screen options, it's barely cheaper than w530 and it's generally known as crippled t530 for poorfags who couldn't afford w530 back in 2013, despiting the same dimensions.
W530 supports 32GB of RAM, T530 supports 16GB at most. W530 can handle up to i7-3940XM CPUs + overclocking, while T530 has only dual core cpus, shitty cooling system uncapable of handling quad cores.
If you really want to invest your money in 40nm dGPUs you should get at least w530 with quadro k2000m. It's cheap as fuck.

>>60098729
>comparing a golden apple with a grape instead of another kind of apple
This is bait or you are an idiot.

>>60098841
How much better is a w530 with the Quadro k2000m vs a w520 with the same graphics card? Is sandy bridge that big of a bottleneck?

>>60098853
you're an idiot, thinkshit shill.
2570p is a direct response from HP to lelnopevovo abomination of thinkpad called x230. Deal with it.

>>60098729
No one is talking about the x230 for performance you fucking memer. The T430 comes with the same processor as your shillbook defeat and both can support a 3940XM. Now fuck off.

>>60098873
>reponding to an irrelevant product not related to their performance line
Huelel Fudgepackard faggots will defend this.

>>60098861
>>60098861
sandy bridge is housefire and it's much worse in performance. Just get w530 senpai, it's already 5 generations old.
w520 has worse battery life. quadro 2000m is also housefire tier, it doesn't even support dx12. k2000m is better, a lot.

>>60098877
Why are you comparing 12,5" machines to 14,1" T430, you retarded negroid?
Does it hurt to have this insane amount of autism in your brain?
>>60098890
Your post is irrelevant. You should be ashamed of your improper behavior, you shitskined pajeet free-shitter.

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>>60098873
>>60098890

>Lelnopevovo Thinkshit
>Huelel Fudgepackard
top kek

When I boot my new W500 it makes a different sound than my old one, despite using the same HDD. I know this is sqt-level inquiry but why is this?

>>60098920
>Running a QM in a 12.5" machine
Don't get caught committing insurance fraud.

>>60098921
>those names
Are you 9?

>>60098986
lelnopevovo chinkshit quality control
it probably loads superfish backdoor into your RAM when it makes this strange sound.

>>60098839
nope, physical fn is dead, both as ctrl and fn.

>>60099027
I know everyone in the thread right now is avin a laff but this new one does have a much cleaner sound. I like it a lot more.

I figured on the old one it was the CD-ROM drive, since it would randomly eject sometimes, even when disabled. No idea what's up though.

>>60099016
>hundreds of people reporting working, non-throttling units with up to i7-3840qm cpus
>some random neet thinkfag immediately says it's housefire without even seeing this model irl
5 pesos have been deposited into your account.

>>60099058
>hundreds
>just you shilling in every thinkpad thread
A 2% off on all HP products coupon has been deposited into your mailbox.

>>60097889
yeah, i think i will go with an dp > dvi adapter if it doesn't work with just the dvi - my cable should arrive tomorrow

>>60083201
>This may seem like an insignificant thing but, the hinges. I don't like the axis they're placed on
Can you please let them know now? They have a blog entry you can make noise about this on

>>60099119
Learn how to use google, retard.
Or are you limited to only /g/ and lelnovo intranet from where you work (aka. shill for shitty products)?
I bet you're the one who's contantly shitting /g/ with ryzen threads.

>>60099058
>Physics doesn't exist.
No one is falling for it, Dion Weisler.

>>60099016
Been running a 2670QM in my t420 for two years. No house fire yet

>>60099161
Go make a Huge Picard general and shill your garbage there, we don't care.

>>60099195
That's not a 12 inch laptop.

>>60099220
>That's not a 12 inch laptop.
>implying a measurable difference between a docked t420 and an x220

>>60099170
Physics do exist, and unlike lelnovo HP acknowledges this and designs it's laptops to handle all this heat.
That's why heatsink is much bigger than the x230 one and the fan is faster.
And if you're not convinced by that there is fuckload of space you can use to extend the heatsink by additional layers (up to 3) of 1,5mm copper.plates, and even better - you can combine it with replacing heatsink with bigger one from 2560p.
Do the same in x230. Kek. There was no space in it to even fit a socket, not to mention big heatsink and actual fan.

>>60099245
there is a difference. People who leave their homes to work knows this. People like you (living in their parent's basements) don't really matter.

>>60095425
Nobody here has enough money for a system 76 laptop, that's why they buy old bricks of plastic filled with semen from other poor NEETS.

>>60099248
>Settings customer's houses on fire is a plus
Heat Printer will defend this.

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ITT: post things T420/x220/x230/T430 fags will never have
let me start with pic rel. Two native 6Gbps 2,5" drives without use of additional ultrabase AND WWAN module in place.
>this triggers lelnovo shills

>>60099408
Why is Huge Pirogi faggot so salty?

All the ThinkPad models you listed support 2 2.5" drives + an mSATA. Get good.

>>60099429
>without use of additional ultrabase
Did you miss this part, pajeet?
>mSATA
I clearly wrote:
>with WWAN module in place
and
>native 6Gbps
msata in all these models is limited to 3Gbps because of lelnovo marketing dept said so.
Are you seriously defending lelnovo this hard?

>>60099463
>he has to remove his WWAN module to get a free mSATA port
Nice try shill, ThinkPads have a spare mSATA port.

>>60099264
>people with jobs know the difference between six year old laptop thermal efficincies

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>>60099502
so, where is the free msata port in x230?
I know you're trolling senpai and it's very hard for you to admit thinkpads are shit, but please don't act retarded.

>>60099515
they do, especially when they work outside in summer.
You do leave your house in summer, right?

>>60099564
You work outside?
With a computer?
You either live a meme lifestyle or have a blue collar job

>>60099569
I work remotely. It doesn't mean I can't go outside and do the work from terrace.
Also keep moving the goalposts. You'll prove your point for sure

>>60099541
>He's comparing a QM laptop with a dual core again

Nice try. Every non X2xx ThinkPad has a spare mSATA.

>>60099620
Ok kid, you're retarded. you can't even take a look at a picture. End of topic.

>>60099618
Quad cores work fine in both t series and x series *20 laptops

You moved the goalposts from that fact to "lol what's ur job haha"

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>>60099408

I have a desktop. Do you have a requirement to use two 2.5" drives? There's some ThinkPad models that can accommodate anyway. I still use 2.5+mSATA. Using WWAN would actually be a tonne of hassle to find a plan and such, tethering exists anyway. WWAN is a relic. Neat thing but ultimately pointless.

>>60099541

>so, where is the free msata port in x230?

The contact points aren't visible. Its right there you stupid fucking cunt. Its common knowledge that these machines have 2 mSATA slots. Fuck off.

>>60099620
>look at all these spare msata ports
BTFO
Fun fact: T430 can't even take a 9,5mm drive inside the main bay. It strictly requires 7mm drives, which are known to be slower than any 2,5" WD Reds.

>>60099642
>He can't even read my response to his shillpost

>>60099687
>semantics

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>>60099687
pic rel
>>60099682
>a requirement to use two 2.5" drives?
yes, using a docked 12,5" 2570p as a desktop replacement, since the CPU is faster in every benchmark than stock i5-2500k. Plus I connect my eGPU to it so I can get the actual Gaymur Experience(TM).
>Using WWAN would actually be a tonne of hassle to find a plan and such
Here is your (You). It's not a hassle for me, especially when my company pays my unlimited plan.
>tethering exists anyway.
>depending on a phone and discharging it's battery because lelnovo decided to fuck the client and not add another minipcie port, even when the motherboard has a unused and artifically blocked minipcie pints on it
top fucking kek. Thinkfag in full denial mode.
> I still use 2.5
please remind me, what drive you use? What? 7mm UltraBook(TM) drive which is slower and more expensive than 9,5" models?
Oh you.
>The contact points aren't visible. Its right there you stupid fucking cunt.
Lmao. So this is how much you """""Thnk""""" you thinkpad retard?
>Fuck off.
after you and your inferior, defective product leaves my board.

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Humongus Potato shills are out in full fucking swing today aren't they? Hope you guys get bathroom breaks soon instead of shitting on our board.

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>>60099463
Doesn't the T420/430 have an Ultrabay where you can put in a 2,5" HDD tray in?

>>60099764

You went on talking a load of other contradictory bullshit talking about how Lenovo is fucking people over by not including a second mPCIe, then you implied and acknowledged they do. You also apparently have some sort of issue with the pin placement.

>depending on a phone and discharging it's battery

You can charge it with the laptop, or did you not know that's possible? I can't imagine what you're doing in a fixed location forced to use internet without wifi and only cellular. Please do tell me what your line of work involves if it exists.

>>The contact points aren't visible. Its right there you stupid fucking cunt.
>Lmao. So this is how much you """""Thnk""""" you thinkpad retard?

What does that even mean? Look, this is not the place to have a mental episode. You appear to be upset and unstable. You should still fuck off and take your HP Throttlebook craptop with you. Nobody cares about HP in the enterprise world. Its Mac, ThinkPad or nothing.

>>60099868
ahahahahaha BTFO

>>60099890

Yes it does. Ignore him, he's a retard who's unaware of the specs of the things he's trying to bash.

>>60099868
Maybe he's just mad that his laptop burned down his house

>>60099898
I don't think you understand a difference between miniPCIe and mSATA port. Protip: these are not the same. Educate yourself and come back here when you're ready to talk like a normal person.
>he still justifies why lelnovo doesn't include second mSATA port in it's product even when the competition does
kek
>Its Mac, ThinkPad or nothing.
kek
>>60099890
You're right. I totally forgot you have to get rid of dvd drive in a bigass 14" laptop to get a second drive if you need to keep wwan.

>>60099999 GET

>>60099868

HP faggots BTFO

>>60100000

Close enough?

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>>60099946
>CD's
>2017
If you're in an emergency, you can swap out the drive in ,2 seconds. Although I haven't used a disk in months.

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>>60099868
>n-n-n-oooo!!!! stop having things I can't have!
pic rel, i7-3840qm full load test
2570p has a 100Wh 9cell option. Such battery costs $40. Just got one yesterday. U mad?
Even x230 can have only 93Wh battery because lelnovo uses less capacity, cheaper cells in it to save costs. LOL
>cherry picking incompetent """testers""" on internet forums who provide zero proof
kek

>>60100000
checked

ThinkPad master race

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>>60100000

B T F O
T
F
O

>>60100048
>stability test: not tested
>8 second speed test
>69C
lmao

Has anyone actually done an empirical study proving Thinkpad chicklet keyboards to be superior to old Thinkpad keyboards?

I doubt I would cite it in argument but it would at least provide closure greater than calling each other fogeys and cucks.

>>60100100
It's preference. How would one "empirically" prove one better?

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>>60100100
Where do you think we are?

>>60099946

The difference is protocol. One of those connectors is always going to be occupied by a wifi card. That is the mPCIe slot, it can't have an mSATA SSD placed in it. The mSATA is free for anything else, like WWAN or an SSD. When one will ALWAYS be use for wifi, there is no point. You're not even arguing your own case very well. In a 12.5" X230, you have 1 SATA slot and 1 mSATA slot spare. You want more than that in a laptop that small? In the T and W series machines you can have 2 SATA slots. Do you insist on using mSATA form factor SSDs only with WWAN or are you being deliberately obtuse? Why would you have a spinning mechanical drive INSIDE your LAPTOP in this current day? All my laptops use SSDs.

>"kek"

>STILL hasn't explained what his ''''job'''' is
>seriously thinking anything from HP is competition for the legendary ThinkPad line

You're a fucking retard for coming here to get burned. Reply if you want even more grilling.

>>60100000
>>60100048
HP fag confirmed shitter shattered

>>60100117
I don't know. Every time someone owns a chicklet Thinkpad there's like a 50% chance they say they prefer they keyboard over the old ones. They never give any reason so the conversation can only go to name-calling. It's tiresome.

>>60100139
I own three T430s. One has its keyboard swapped with the T420. I prefer the older one but it's not that huge a deal.

>>60100127
>legendary ThinkPad line
>"""legendary"""

So legendary that NASA are dumping them for HP ZBooks on the ISS. Sad!

>>60100159
Yeah well I can just call you an old man, and that's where the problem is.

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>>60100048
>>60100091

RAN A TEST
FOR 8 SECONDS

>>60100169

So I'm guessing that job of your's doesn't exist? Ok. Enjoy your HP ENEETbook while your house is still standing.

>>60100227
t. thinkcuck

>>60100250

Great response! Where's that job lad? Eh? Where's that job you said you had? That's right, it doesn't exist you dirty pleb and you need to fuck off and never mention your disgusting, weak ENEETbook retarded disco inferno garbage in a /tpg/ ever again.

>>60100127
>Why would you have a spinning mechanical drive INSIDE your LAPTOP in this current day?
because using SSDs to archive important shit is FUCKING STUPID. It's also pure waste of money.
Enjoy having your data destroyed by controller failure.
>>60100227
he's not me. I'm not going to explain what I do, just because you're a retarded faggot moving goalposts all the time.
x220/x230 can't take quad cores. Deal with it.
If you want to find more information on how well quad cores work in 12,5" laptops with small mods such as copper coins sticked to the heatsink (which is literally zero effort to anyone) then check this link:
https://www.techinferno.com/index.php?/forums/topic/1982-125-hp-elitebook-2570p-owners-lounge/
otherwise keep using your shitpad pretending you're not fucked by lenovo, which is obviously artifically limiting it's product performance due to marketing decisions. You're a pure shill if you don't see it.

>>60100330
t. thinkcuck

>>60100337
>x230/220 can't take quad cores
Wrong. 3612QE and 3615QE are both quad cores.
>SSDs are expensive
You wouldn't have this problem if you had a job.

>>60100376
>>60100337
And no, shilling five year old products to get HP to send you one isn't a job.

>>60100337

>because using SSDs to archive important shit is FUCKING STUPID.

>archive
>on currently used machine

Is this guy fucking retarded? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

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>>60100337

>archive data
>on a laptop
>not stored on tape or 3.5" drives somewhere
>no, inside the laptop you normally use

Nice one, brainlet.

>>60100376
>Wrong. 3612QE and 3615QE are both quad cores.
You mean you have to desolder old cpu, clean this mess up, then buy an overpriced, embedded CPU with absolute shit-tier iGPU frequency and then solder it again with expensive hot air station and other machinery?
No thanks, I'll stay with my socketed CPU.
Also you're comparing a little bit faster than i7-3520m 35W embedded cpu to full 45W CPU. I don't have to explain why this is stupid.
>SSDs are expensive
Who are you quoting? Did you take your pills today?
>You wouldn't have this problem if you had a job.
If you'd have a job and you'd be mature enough you would actually know that wasting money on stupid shit doesn't make you rich. One day you'll realize. Or you won't, if you kill yourself first. kek.

Why is the x220 still the recommended model? Should I bother buying one or is it just too late?

>>60100439
>>60100469
He's too poor to buy any other machines since he doesn't have a job. Why do you think he's using an ENEET book?

>>60100469
>>60100439
>>60100401
>e-e-everyone has the same needs! You can't have a 2TB drive in your laptop! It's pointless! My sissy-tier x230 can't take it so you don't need it too!!! buhuuu
shoot yourselves. It's a miracle you haven't forgot how to breathe or walk with such retarded reasoning.

>>60100501
It's not, some dumb shills just keep posting it because they are too lazy to flash their hardware yet they're not too lazy to put in a new WLAN card. Get the X230.

>>60100511
5 poos have been deposited into your loo, pajeet.

>>60100501
They're still nice devices. Whatever fits your shekelbag.
>>60100538
I read this argument often, but why would I want to put in a different WLAN card in the first place?

>>60100544
>my only response to anything is ad hominem

>>60100568
Do you expect valuable response to your
>le he's poor he's neet lelelele
shitpost?
Get back to >>>/v/

>>60100566
a/c card. Only other reason is keyboard, but if you're buying an old ThinkPad to fix up you should be willing to do the 5 minute mod to replace it with the old keyboard. The only other reason is if you're a super poorfag. Working X220 machines are just very slightly cheaper than X230 machines, and the old keyboard is an extra ~$20.

Also, X220 has no USB 3.0 ports, X230 has two.

The xx20 shilling just doesn't make sense to me.

>>60100524

I have a wonderful desktop and something called an internet connection.

>doesn't have any other machine
>needs to use cellular internet
>archives on in-use machine

Your poverty is really showing. Just neck yourself you retarded NEET. Your country isn't going to get any better any time soon.

>>60100622
>I have a wonderful desktop and something called an internet connection.
So? Having a functional, fully featured laptop implies not having a desktop computer and "an internet connection"? Is this really how your brain works?
This is simply embarrassing. Please stop

>>60100600
I really don't see an issue with my xx30 keyboards. Sure, the huge-ass T530 could easily fit a numlock, but an old keyboard won't fix that. My other criticism is the location of the Delete button.

I'm getting my hands on a X301 soon, which has an old-style keyboard. Maybe that will change my mind, but I highly doubt it.

>>60100600
>Also, X220 has no USB 3.0 ports
i7 model has one USB 3.0 port.

>>60100698
Why only the i7?

I don't think I've ever seen anyone as butt hurt over a thread on 4chan as this HP shill holy shit

>>60100737
To get you to buy the i7 model

Guys, its the w520 good tier? im willing to work on MATLAB/Simulink with computer vision and i think ill need and gpu. The one im looking to its a I7 2760QM with an Video NVidia Quadro 1000M 2Gb card.

>>60100957
T530 is better but if you found that specific configuration for a good price go for it

>>60100957
or an Elitebook 8560w with an AMD Firepro M5950

>>60100971
Err W530**

>>60100985
Is ironically recommending ENEETbooks the next meme?

>>60100737
because lenovo is shit
>>60100863
Do I look butthurt?
My problem is that I'm trying to reason with trolling apes, thinking someone sane reads this and will not fall into the thinkpad meme. :^)

New thread:
>>60101077

>>60101058
>trolling apes
>"I'M NOT MAD!!!"

>>60101101
I'm not mad, Are you retarded?
Just because I call apes "apes" doesn't make me mad.

>>60101325
>just cause I call niggers "niggers" doesn't make me racist!

Is it necessary to flash the custom BIOS to put a mSATA on a T530? I read specs somewhere and it says that some models came with a 16gb mSATA

Is it worth upgrading the screen on a T440p?

>>60101418
you can't flash custom bios in post-sandy bridge shitpads.

>>60101532
it's not worth doing any upgrades to shitpads

>>60101077

>>60101536
Yes you can. Quit being stupid.

>>60101543

>>60101570
Actually you can. By using external flasher, risking destroying your laptop by frying the unusual eeprom memory or destroying something else by mistake.
>>60101585
What's the problem fampai? I answered the question.
>Is it worth it?
>No, it's not worth it.
Your shitpost is actually against global rule 7:
>7. Submitting false or misclassified reports, or otherwise abusing the reporting system may result in a ban. Replying to a thread stating that you've reported or "saged" it, or another post, is also not allowed.

Best keyboard on a thinkpad? I'm currently using the t420. What competes with it. How are they on the newer t470s?

>>60102095
There's really only two choices, The T420 and below and the T430 and up. Only the 420/430 can swap between each other.

It's preference. I use both, prefer the older one.