/hpg/ - Headphone General

I need a pair of headphones - budget of < 50$, for music, video games and entertainment.

don't need a mic/buttons, going to use it on my desktop.

i've looked at the /csg/ infograph, but don't know which one i should get, which one is considered the best?

damn maki looks like THIS?

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>>60032152
>yfw got meme'ed in to buying """"neutral"""" HD 600

>>60032303
This is actually kind of sad that we use v memes now.

>>60032303
what do you mean?

optical spdif is not bassy! it's shit!

you lied to me /hpg/!

any1 have that pic of the beyerdynamic headset with a spider in one of the ears?

I have 599 and 650 incoming next week. Am I in for a good time?

>>60032524
yeah if you're a cuck

>>60032528
Great

>>60032152
wtf i love tomatoes now

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Ok assdrop I see your non-detachable cable HOWEVER

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I need to get some plugs and reterminal the cable. It's actually I pretty nice cable.

>>60032726
>>60032735
>>60032754
how much work was this
im pissed at mines long ass bullshit

how is the superlux hd668b? Are there better alternatives for the same price(35$)

I managed to put in like 2 hours into the sr850 so far, so this is my first impression for now.

Out of the box, these headphones were not as heavy as I thought they were going to me, the leather headband was really comfortable, and for a bit, the force of the headphones on the head did feel a bit tight, but after about 30 minutes (also because I was still feeling nauseus), the "clamp" of it? I think either it loosened up or I got used to it, felt good for the remainder of the time.

The pads on these are new to me, these feel soft and they did not put any strain against the head for me, very breathable in my opinion, since my ears did not overheat. They did feel warm after a while, but not uncomfortably hot.

The cable of it felt solid too, the thickness of it feels like quality compared to those wires that are as thin as a piece of hair. They connection jack (the part you connect to your device) has this very nice material on it, i'm not sure if it was coated with rubber or some other stuff, but that piece felt solid too, usually headphones break in that spot, I don't expect these to do that.

The sound was clear but low compared to the apple earpods I had before. Eurobeat sounds good on them, but i'll have to do more testing in this section.

Overall, I think this was a good purchase, i'll probably do another review in a week to give myself more time to get familiar with these. As a first impression, these are pretty good.

Looking to buy an amp under $50.00 USD, any suggestions?

>>60033537
They're pretty good, but the stock pads are total garbage. Upgrade to velours as soon as possible. To me the treble can be kind of harsh in some songs too.

>>60033537
They're 'ok' if you have up the budget to $50 massdrop has AKG m220 for 49.99 which would be better imo

>>60033716
>AKG m220
interesting, i like that one, but i can get a pair of 688b's in 2 days, plus i can cheap out now, and buy a more expensive one as my next pair.

>>60033662
are pads universal? or should i look specifically for 688b's

>>60032423
Idiot

>>60033771
They take k240 pads, these are the ones I bought for mine. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KLPRQMO

>>60033771
You can get good velourpads for under $5 from Aliexpress by searching the model + velour or AKG 240. Anything under $30 on Amazon is the same thing resold. Alternatively you could buy brainwave HM memory foam earpads for $35.
At that point you shouldve bought a Somic or Takstar with velour earpada

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>>60033479
You have to drill out the metal to make the hole just a tad bit larger to accommodate the jack. You have to cut the plastic surround of the driver to make space on the inside for the jack. Cut the wood of the cups so they can fit flush. And solder everything together. It's not hard took me about an hour I'd say.

>>60032152
Maki!

Does the Stax come with its own amp or will I need a Jotunheim?

>>60033795
>>60033848
great, thanks.

I'm planning to get:
sennheiser cx 5.00 for on the go
ath m40x for home/gaming use
good for beginner/casual use?

How comfortable are dt770 i0 ohms?

>>60033795
>>60033848
>>60033662
>>60033716
how is the Samson SR850 compared to superlux 668b?

>>60033934
80 ohm*

>>60032152
>Budget
￡120
>Location
UK, http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/cl/94/Headphones
>Source
laptop
>Type of headphone
full-sized
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
have to be pretty comfy
>Sound signature

>Past headphones
nothing worth taking note of

I'm counting on you guys

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Something's going on

>>60033934
Very

>>60034323
Awesome, upgrading from super old m50s, I couldnt take the pain anymore

>>60034352
You could try MSR7 pads first, DT770 will sound better though.

>>60033794
fuck you

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>>60033556
This is the thing I was talking about, it feels solid in the hand

Are more expensive IEMs worth it? Are they actually good? I just get the feeling that since they're so small that they can't deliver as good sound as a comparable headphone.

Like the Sennheiser HD600 is the king of mid-fi and Sennheiser HD800 is the king of hi-fi. I feel like IEMs will never reach that sound quality purely because they're too small. Is this right or am I wrong?

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>>60034402
>Like the Sennheiser HD600 is the king of mid-fi and Sennheiser HD800 is the king of hi-fi.
10/10

>>60034402
>worth it
Shut up.
>actually good
Can be. Best are better than any other headphone, imo.
>size
Doesn't tell you how something sounds like. They operate inside of your ear canal where small driver can easily provide enough SPL.

Are there any good Stax headphones, as opposed to "earspeakers"?
If not are there any good and comfortable electrostatic headphones from other manufacturers. Preferably under $2000

ath es 10 are so fucking good actually

>>60034623
>earspeakers
This is actually kind of sad that we use reddit memes now.

>>60034677
>we
https://www.staxusa.com/earspeaker/
Even anime calls them earspeakers

>>60034402
Sorry but headphones will never be hi-fi.
The only thing that can be true hi-fi is speakers, end of discussion.

Should I buy AKG or STAX if I want to be a cute anime girl and not be singled out by my fellow anime girl friends.

>>60034708
Dynamic drivers of any kind can never be Hi-Fi.
Regardless of formfactor.

Is there anything wrong with the monoprice DAC/AMP? Seems like a fair alternative to the Fulla 2 if you dont need portability

>>60034748
Anything that produces sound normally will never be Hi-Fi. Only direct brain nerve connections to electrical signals that produce sound directly inside the brain is Hi-Fi. Anything else is mid-fi

Where can I buy *genuine* Beyerdynamic pads that isn't $50 for 2 velour foam rings?

Alternate pads from other cans of reputable brands are OK too, but no cheap chinese shit.

>>60032423
What? Digital transfer protocol/interconnect doesn't alter the frequency magnitude. Absurd idea.

>>60033878
What? Jotunheim won't drive electrostatic headphones. There are Stax + amplifier combos available.

>>60034623
>"earspeaker"
Stax marketing lingo. Stax is the only manufacturer of electrostatic headphones right now. Koss made ESP-9 and Sennheiser had HE-60, HE-90 and HE-1.

>>60034699
Akiba's trip was obviously making fun of the term.

>>60034708
Headphones have a lot of potential with DSP and they are the only way to properly listen binaural recordings. Headphones can be ideal for video games. With stereo recordings and without any signaling processing they will always be lacking.

>>60034748
I hope there's nobody who believes this. Better not give people these ideas either.

>>60034708
I don't have the luxury of being able to use speakers even though I have more than enough money for it.

So your point is invalid in my case.

>>60034791
IS that even hifi?
I mean even a direct electrical impulse is going to be 'colored' by the sheer fact that your ears were colored and that how you remember things.

Ideally, we need to not only directly feed impulses, but find a way to simulate the direct listing conditions of the composers head.

>>60034804
>I don't have the luxury of being able to use speakers even though I have more than enough money for it.

What kind of situation even is this? Walls made of literal paper? But you would have money to move somewhere better?

>>60034803
>I hope there's nobody who believes this. Better not give people these ideas either.
There are.
Electrostatic > Dynamic
Every day of the week.
Too bad Anything less than ~160hz is pretty much fucking impossible in a reasonable size and power footprint.

Thus for a reasonable Hi-Fi setup you'd want 10-40hz, 40-80hz, 80-160hz in dynamic and electrostatic in 2hz bins to 22,000hz.

>>60034867
I live in the central area of my city in a newly built apartment complex with lots of neighbors around. I don't want to move because the location is perfect for work.

>>60034897
I doubt anybody would complain or even hear

>>60034623
>>60034803
>Stax is the only manufacturer of electrostatic headphones right now
I'm pretty sure Koss hasn't discontinued the esp950 (which also is included in their lifetime warranty, afaik).

Also KingSound is makes electrostatic headphones as well, for under $2000
http://kingsaudio.com.hk/headphone.html

Haven't read much about them, so I wouldn't know if they're like the hifiman of electrostats or not (in terms of QC/CS).

>>60034803
>Stax is the only manufacturer of electrostatic headphones right now.
Sennheiser HE-1
Hifiman Shangri-La
MrSpeakers is working on one

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Just made this thread, wonder if any of you could help me.

I have been plagued by headphone problems for a long time now.

My computer does not recognise headphones when I connect them.

However, audio plays out of the headset, but when I click on playback devices in the sound panel, the computer is reading my headphone input as "speakers(via hd audio)"

I click the recording tab and it says mic not plugged in. The only thing it reads is "Stereo Mix via HD Audio".

I try updating all the drivers etc, they're all up to date, yet these problems persist.

Any idea what the FUCK is going on here?

Appreciate any help you can give me. Fanks.

>>60034897
Solution:
Turn up speakers to your hopeful listening level, walk out of your apartment and close the door.
Then go to your neighbours apartment and simply ask them if they hear your music right and if so is it too loud?

You'll probably find they can't heat it at all, since modern apartments are usually built a fairly soundproof as secondary benefit of al lthe fireproofing done to make sure the builder and owner isn't liable for hundreds of deaths if you're an idiot and start a fire.

>>60034973
what this guy is saying.. besides, even if they did hear the faintest sound, they wouldn't be able to complain to anyone about it

you would have to go deaf yourself for your neighbors to hear anything and be able to complain about it

>>60034945
Nothing, that's what the audio jacks are called - Windows doesn't know you've plugged in headphones or speakers, all it knows is you've plugged some shit into an audio jack.

Only USB headphones get recognition, since they can tell windows "hey I'm a stupid USB gamer headphone"

There is no problem, if you want them to say Headphones and Mic, just open the properties and change the name and icon.

>poorfags think that dropping $3,000 on headphones is too much
The average 1st world middle class home has a home theater system in the 1k-5k range. Even my dad who made a measly 100k yearly before retiring managed a hi-fi surround setup that cost at least 4k. I spent about as much on basic kitchen cabinets.
If you honestly think something like the SR-007MK2 is "too expensive", you are a teenager, jobless college student, living on SNAP, or a third worlder.
There isnt anything necessarily wrong with that but you should not be advising other anons on headphone purchases and you need to stop touting the HD 600 as "end-game".

>>60034934
>MrSpeakers is working on one

People still give this jew money?

>Mad Dog comes out
>HOLY SHIT REVOLUTION
>Mad Dog Pro comes out
>OH MY GOD TAKE MY MONEY
>Alpha Dog comes out
>H-Hey might wanna cool it with the jew stuff, eh?
>Ether, Aeon and whatever the fuck else comes out
>S-Surely people aren't giving this jew any money, r-right?

>>60035017
Found the poorfag being mad as fuck lmao.

>>60035017
you forgot that an expensive home system compared to garbage tv or tiny speakers is a ridiculous improvement.. like let's say 1000% improvement, but this isn't true for headphones
$2000 headphone setup compared to $300 headphones is not even 200% improvement

>>60035044
Just EQ your dynamics theyll sound as good as electrostatics lmao

>>60035029
>You aren't allowed to upgrade your product otherwise you're a Jew.

>his setup isn't a dynamic amount of speakers for each instrument on whatever track he is listening to placed to match their placements in the studio they were recorded in with the exact same accoustics as the studio room etc

you will never be hi-fi

>>60035049
Theres definitely a bigger improvement jumping from the mid range hellhole to $1000+ headphones than you get from adding some meme like Dolby Atmos ceiling speakers.

>>60034885
There's nothing they do better than moving coil drivers in a decent cabinet and their directivity is awful. Why three woofers to cover 160Hz and below? You could do that with one per channel and a sub array.

>>60035090
>He's using dynamic drivers
You'll never be Hi Fi.

Unless you're listening to one man jazz sax, I guess you could do >>60034885 then for your single instrument.

Consider that this setup would be around ~5meters*0.8m*2m for one channel.

>>60034402
>Bait
What the hell are you going on about, anon?

>>60035090
>he uses a soundcard instead of a Roland-SC88
Do you just hate music

>>60035128
>He doesn't have literal live shows right in his fucking home with the absolute perfect acoustic setup in the room

You will never be fucking hi-fi, just give up

>Music is recorded on electrostatic condenser microphones instead of dynamic microphones
>retards think that reproducing music made with electrostatics on dynamics will ever compare to reproduction on electrostatics

>>60035153
>live
eh
How do I know the artist didn't go on a bender the night before my private show?
At least I know the recording is a good take, not a shit set.

>>60034803
>Stax is the only manufacturer of electrostatic headphones right now.
Wew.

>>60035162
>>retards think that reproducing music made with electrostatics on dynamics will ever compare to reproduction on electrostatics

Are you a retard?

>>60035162
are you trying to be funny with me right now

I'm having a hard time finding a good price index for head phones.

I'm not certain what they're supposed to cost really.

I'm looking for open backs, and I really don't want to pay too much or get anything less than the best bang/buck

>>60035206
r u av.in a google at my current person right now fellow?

>>60035044
>$300 headphones
>Not a poor faggot solution

>>60034927
Koss ESP-950 is middling on the base amp and needs an adaptor to work on stax socket amps. Basically in the sort of lambda tier but with a darker, less detailed sound. Also gets pretty common dust problems. Which sucks because I had Koss stats from the 1960's that didn't have that issue.

Kingsound generally is said to suck compared to Stax and Koss but I never hear of someone using them on anything but the packaged energizer so I don't know if it's that or the headphones themselves.

I should buy a Kingsound and run it through my Carbon one of these days. As long as the bias voltage is 580 or less anyway.

I want my headphones and speakers to share one line out, will a 3.5mm splitter have any real effect on audio quality?

>>60035201
condenser technology is basically electrostatics in reverse

>>60035246
This. Ghetto blasters used to cost $200 and with inflation its like $500 today

>>60035219
In the long run, STAX SR-007MK2 is your best value. Once you feel the sheepskin leather on your ear you will thank me.

Max Price $110
Closed

What are the best options?

>>60035219
amazon, camelcamelcamel.

>>60035543
Going to your local hi-fi shop and trying out their offerings instead of asking this braindead general for advice.

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>>60035587
>Going to your local hi-fi shop and trying out their offerings instead of asking this braindead general for advice.
Actually that's not gonna work, particularly if he has no experience with headphones past beats crap.

He'd walk out of the shop with some overpriced v-shaped garbage, because that's what sounds good to the untrained ear over a short testing period.

>>60035543
I'd suggest you get some headphones targeting a neutral frequency response, because that's what's most true to the recording and what will sound the best after a few days of use.

Something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-380-PRO-Headphones/dp/B001UE6I0G/

I own and love these. I use them at work. They are reputable (you can easily find plenty of reviews), comfortable, got good isolation (32dB), and they're pretty neutral (just slightly bassy), giving a similar overall feeling as my good HD600 at home.

I have recommended this to two irl friends who then bought and are now also enjoying them. You simply can't go wrong with these.

>>60035587
This to be honest. Everyone here who isnt straight shitposting are just regurgitating headfi and reddit guides. Its easy to see from how any suggestion for DACs or amps are either fiio e10k or schiit shilling. No one here has any experience outside of that and cant afford to actually test or compare anything else.

>>60035727
>anime posting
>reddit spacing

>>60035733
These are often recommended because they are good value per price.

Smartasses like you will cry fiio/shit shill to no end, but fail to recommend suitable alternatives.

>>60035761
>good value per price
They did have a good value at the time but the landscape has changed.
Schiit has built a cultlike following that will only disregard any other alternatives. This creates a positive feedback loop where streams of poorfags who cant afford to play around with more than a couple hundred bucks just settle on the Schiit stack from their good experience and recommend only those instead of exploring anything else.

>>60035834
>but the landscape has changed.
Fair enough. Credit where it's due (schiit reshaped the market).

>alternatives
Stop complaining, start talking about these alternatives. Else, we'll buy the crap.

Schiit is garbage get off the headfi hype or buy my silver cables. Schiit has disgusting elevated treble, their tube amps are garbage compared to the little dot, and the Asgard is unashamedly a house fire. An o2odac will outperform anything from shiit.

>>60035543
There is no definite best option at that price range; now fill out the form and tell us what you like, ya noob.

>>60035727
>Unironically recommending closed Sennheisers

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>order sennheisser HD 598 from amazon
>expect a good pair of headphones, obviously
>didn't think much of it
>came in just a few minutes ago
>mfw how great these things sound
what the fuck /hpg/

>>60033556
>The sound was clear but low compared to the apple earpods I had before.
Are you talking about volume?

>>60033623
FiiO has amps at that budget.

>>60032206
SR-850 if you want open.

>>60033923
Yep.

>>60033934
Comfy but some may disagree with the clamp.

>>60034101
Brighter but I prefer the SR-850, it's a rebranded HD681.

>>60034235
DT770 Pro 80 ohm

>>60034278
Hmm.

>>60034399
Lewd.

>>60034402
I think my ER4SR sounds better than my HD600/HD800 in stock form by a significant margin. Most people would say it has no soundstage but it's pretty darn accurate.

Maybe try buying a HF5 and see if you'll like it.

>>60034623
>are there any good Stax headphones
Nope. Maybe the SR-009 since it's the least shit as it doesn't rape your ears with treble. STAX are overrated because of its exclusivity.

>>60034748
lel

>>60034759
I don't think it's a <1 ohm output impedance from the amp.

>>60034885
lel

>>60034973
He doesn't want people hearing his weeb music, even faintly.

>>60035017
SR-007 isn't even good, shit sounds so muddy it ain't even funny. I had an argument with a friend a few years ago over this. We both agreed that the SR-007 is dark and muddy compared to the other STAX but he thinks it's still better than any dynamic headphone because of his silly per-conceived notions, when asked why, he would respond with terms like speed, detail, low distortion, electrostatic being inherently better, etc.

HD600 can be considered end-game for its acoustic performance, it's better than the SR-009 because it's more neutral. Maybe if it was priced $6000 you'd agree with me.

>AES presentation: Sample Rate Conversion (SRC)
http://www.aes-media.org/sections/pnw/pnwrecaps/2016/jjsrc_jan2016/

>Dynamic range discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruSjIWuHFF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De_N7dvH7qg

>>60035947
What did you have before?

>>60035895
>>>
> Anonymous 04/23/17(Sun)19:40:14 No.60035895▶
>>>60035834
>>but the landscape has changed.
>Fair enough. Credit where it's due (schiit reshaped the market).
>>alternatives
>Stop complaining, start talking about these alternatives. Else, we'll buy the crap.
>>>
> Anonymous 04/23/17(Sun)19:43:19 No.60035934▶
>Schiit is garbage get off the headfi hype or buy my sil
> Anonymous 04/23/17(Sun)19:44:07 No.60035942 ▶
>>>60035543
>There is no definite best option at that price range; now fill out the form and tell us what you like, ya noob.
>>>60035727
>>Unironically recommending closed Sennheisers
>>>
> Anonymous 04/23/17(Sun)19:44:23 No.60035947 ▶
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>>order sennheisser HD 598 from amazon
>>expect a good pair of headphones, obviously
>>didn't think much of it
>>came in just a few minutes ago
>>mfw how great these things sound
>what the fuck /hpg/
>>>
> Anonymous 04/23/17(Sun)19:45:12 No.60035960 ▶
>>>60033556
>>The sound was clear but low compared to the apple earpods I had before.
>Are you talking about volume?
>>>60033623
>FiiO has amps at that budget.
>>>60033934
>Comfy but some may disagree with the clamp.
>>>60034101
>Brighter but I prefer the SR-850, it's a rebranded HD681.
>>>60034235
>DT770 Pro 80 ohm
>>>60034278
>Hmm.
>>>60034399
>Lewd.
>>>60034402
>I think my ER4SR sounds better than my HD600/HD800 in st
>Maybe try buying a HF5 and see if you'll like it.
>>>60034623
>>are there any good Stax headphones
>Nope. Maybe the SR-009 since it's the least shit as it doesn't rape yoexclusivity.
>>>60034748
>lel
>>>60034759
>I don't think it's a <1 ohm output impedance from the amp.
>>>60034885
>lel
>>>60034973
>He doesn't want people hearing his weeb music, even faintly.
>>>60035017
>SR-007 isn't even good, shit sounds so muddy it ain't even funny. I had an

>>60035976
I used to use a Plantronics Gamecom 780/8s, had two pairs, they sounded alright and the Dolby meme was too hard to give up.. Stopped using them after the second one broke after a few months of good use and used monitor speakers. The Sennheissers definitely blow the the Gamecoms out of the water.

>>60035960
>>60035980
What the fuck is this autistic shit.

>>60035964
>2016
>2014
>2015

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>>60036017
I'm actually surprised you liked these right away.

They were my first decent set. Sounded pretty meh to me at first, I was more impressed by the comfort (I bought them because reputable as comfortable) and thought very little of the sound.

A few days in, once I got used to the sound, I went O_O and loved them since.

It's been a few years since I started using HD598 now, and I've finally (weeks ago) upgraded to HD600, which has been totally worth it.

>>60035895
>start talking about these alternatives
One man cant do it alone. The point is that there's no point coming here for advice since majority of people here simply dont know any better.

Not enough people are trying anything else out to form a better communal understanding of the variety of headphones offered outside of the heavily marketed mainstays. A hobby so conservative that a pair of headphones from 1998 are one of the few the community are familiar with well enough to even recommend it. Until things change anon is better off going to a store or "abusing amazon" and trying things out for himself.

>>60035960
>Words cannot describe how much I am disappointed with these awful headphones. Even my one year-old adopted child from Africa flinches the second he hears the sound produced by these noise producing ear cups. Shame shame.

>>60036144
Again, please list these magical devices that aren't schiit, fiio or o2/odac.
Until then, they might as well not exist.
>The point is that there's no point coming here for advice since majority of people here simply dont know any better.
I take it you don't like it here. But you're apparently neither leaving nor contributing a thing either.

>spend 5k on retarded looking nip speakerphones
>one ear suddenly stops working
>only way to get it repaired is booking a ticket to Japan and finding the original seller
two bombs wasnt enough

>>60036221
The nips themselves aren't even retarded enough to buy STAX.

STAX = dead company kept alive by dumb foreign audiophiles.

>>60036221
fucking LOL

>>60036017
>Plantronics Gamecom 780/8
Christ, I see prices ~$150.
People spend this much on a meme gamer headset that can't possibly sound good?

>>60036265
>Christ, I see prices ~$150.
tbf they both were around $75 at Best Buy around the time I got them

>>60036211
>Not including Schiit, Fiio, or O2/Odac
Now you're just leaving them all out, anon. Have you taken a look at >>60035934's post yet?

>>60036211
>Again, please list these magical devices that aren't schiit, fiio or o2/odac.
Retard, the original post was asking for closed headphone recommendations.

Also the fact that you honestly believe there are no competitive alternatives outside of those three is proof of the problem of the audiophile community, but on a smaller scale. There is an even wider selection in headphones in the OR's relatively overlooked price range, and asking /hpg/ for recs is not as good as testing these out himself to find what he likes.

>>60034278
i wonder what it could be

>>60036285
Whoah, so much love for the crap. He's either desperate or joking, I'm not sure which.

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>Budget
$200-250
>Location
Aus
>Source
PC
>Type of headphone
headphone
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
max comfy
>Sound signature
bassy or neutral, pls let me know
>Past headphones
literal tin cans

>all this retarded amp/dac discussion and wanting to intentionally color and distort your sound etc

what the fuck was this general about now again? why would you buy expensive headphones only to proceed and fuck them up?

>>60036412
dt770 pro 80 ohm

>>60036418
You seem pretty flustered, anon. Is there anything I can do to cheer you up? Headphones are subjective, after all.

I have owned half a dozen "decent" headphones, plus some questionable choices like beats pro and crappy 10-50$ headphones. I spent 10-400$ on each headphone.

Why the *fuck* does no headphone preserve transients as well as __10$__ samsung earphones?

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>>60036279
Theyre often on sale for $30 which is much closer to their true value
>>60036265
Say that shit to my face

>>60036468
if you want to color your sound, you don't need amps or dacs. just install a fucking software EQ

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aesthetic headphones that will match my xduoo x3?

I enjoy my K702 :)

>>60036511
amps and dacs are nonlinear systems, an EQ is a linear system. it's a drastically different effect

>>60036570
whatever, i'll gladly kidnap and blindfold one of you audiophile faggots and your only way out the crack den you're trapped in is to tell the difference between an expensive amp/dac setup and a generic audio interface

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>>60036412
DT770 250Ω -> v-shaped.
HD380 Pro -> neutral, somewhat bassy.

Is it worth it?
Massdrop Blue Box: MEE Audio IEMs
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/meelectronics-mee-iem-exclusive-grab-bag

>>60036424
whats the difference between 770 and 880's?

>>60036418
>not EQing your $400 best buy phones into $5 Ross phones

>>60036618
Take a pill, anon. Your high blood pressure is showing. Otherwise, I can always do something to cheer you up. :^)

>>60036570
I've never heard of someone being able to successfully tell two amps apart due to non-linearities in an ABX double-blind test.

>>60036645
DT 770s are more v-shaped; DT 880s are more neutral.

>>60036660
i can not possibly have a high blood pressure right now as i'm dozed as fuck and haven't slept for 30 hours
really just wondering what some people think they're doing here

>>60036645
770 - closed
880 - open

>>60036618
This would make for a pretty good Saw seqeuence, punishing snake oil shilling morons

>>60036680
Take a look around you, anon; this is all a massive shitposting contest. Would you care to join?

>>60036711
>Unironically bringing up Saw
Hide your shitty taste or go back to /tv/

>>60036618
Are you ok?
>>60036672
I can't even hear the differences between 128k mp3 and FLAC, depending on the genre, in an ABX, lol

>>60036644
>$50 MSRP
>down to $8
Ive never seen a massdrop that big, is the shipping $10?

>>60036746
hmph, as expected of you plebs with inferior genetics and inferior ears

>>60036645
DT770 and DT990 are v-shaped.
DT880 tries to be neutral, still has beyerdynamic-style treble earrape peak.
DT770 is closed.
DT880 and DT990 are open.

>>60036746
I can tell the difference between 160 mp3 and FLAC. Haven't tried anything higher. You should listen to the hi-hats. The compression is most noticeable in the treble.

>>60036740
Whats so bad about making a parallel with Saw? I dont watch scary movies, was there some horrorkino that did this concept before?

>>60036746
>I can't even hear the differences
Are you OK? I have tinnitus and I can hear the difference between 128kbps and 320kbps. Any higher and i'm guessing.

>>60036829
I'm ok, but I was born with hyperacusis and I do have very strong tinnitus.

Which sucks ass since I'm a composer

>>60035733
The audiophool industry gets the vast majority of its profits from overpriced audio equipment, that's why simple discreet vanilla equipment basically doesn't exist. There is pretty much just audio interfaces that come with fluff for professionals and the typical chinkshit or schiit/o2 that exist. There really isn't anything else because its less profitable to make than a premium scam product and no company could really stay afloat just making a simple convenient item like that.

>>60036760
Shipping & Handling $12.75
at least shipping to eu

>>60036760
My VE Monk Plus are on the way, should I get those too anyway?

>>60032206
>Superlux HD681 EVO
Had them for a month so far, pretty happy with them, and honestly if you want something better you're looking at a $100+ pair of cans.

>>60036931
aren't amp/dacs that don't distort the sound and also have enough power for headphones that need a lot of it cheaper than those usb audio interfaces though?

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>4/6 correct
Philips SHP9500S. Post your results.

http://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/02/411473508/how-well-can-you-hear-audio-quality

ColdPlay was the easiest to tell, but nothing was particularly hard.

>>60036915
:(

>>60037062
there's not a lot of amp/dacs like that but yeah O2 and Schiit entry level ones aswell as possibly the Fostex HP-A3 but at a certain point after that shit just gets stupid expensive for what you get but that's why they are usually suggested over interfaces

in terms of sound stage, open or closed for gaming?

>>60037198
Open, easily.

>>60037198
>soundstage
>real

>>60034623
Base level lambdas are almost always the most neutral of a given lambda generation. Bonus, also the cheapest.

So Spirit/ProClassic, Nova Basic, 202, 207, L300

The others can be more trebley or V-shaped if you're into that.

Then the omegas are better all around but with a slightly different signature. Except the 007 Mk II early year models. The midbass hump makes them sound muddy. You can fix it by sealing the bass port though.

>>60037126
5/6
yamaha hs8 (speakers)

>>60037229
>Inb4 HD 600 owner

>>60037198
Open usually though there are exceptions like 600/650 that are open with tiny soundstage. AKG 'midfi' Opens have massive soundstage
>>60037229
9/11 never happened either but there's still a day to remember it

>>60036144
>One man can't do it alone
Yes you can, just suggest a fucking alternative. I'm listening.

>>60036296
List these competitive alternatives, anon

I'm going to ask here because this thread seems the most relevant. Currently buying a record player and amp, already have speakers. Right now I'm on:

Pro-ject Debut Carbon DC (€379,00)
Cambridge Audio AM10 (€299,00)

Speakers I already have are floor-standing 4ohm JBL TX 5000's

This a good choice?
I'm also planning on buying headphones later down the road (€500 or so). Is the AM10 amp a good choice with this in mind?

>>60032303
wtf I just bought a hd600

should I return it?

best headphones for gaming for $200?

If we want to discuss compression artifact audibility please provide:

>the audio sample used for listening(provide the sample in lossless form for download)
>description of the sound(s) which made you tell the two files apart(shimmering in hi-hats, pre-echo etc)
>what was the encoder used(format such as mp3 and the encoder version such as LAME 3.99)
>what were the settings used for encoding on that specific encoder(such as opus 128k -vbr on -compression_level 10)

The lossy version has to be encoded from the same lossless file used for comparison. If comparing two lossy files, encode both from the same lossless file. Test needs to be done double blinded. I recommend 15 tries minimum. For more easier time comparing do it with a decent program that allows you to switch instantly back and forth. Foobar's ABX addon is a very good, low latency ABX comparator. Provide a screenshot/copypasta of the summary which shows the file SHA-1/md5 etc of the file(s) you shared. This way people can verifiably test it for themselves.

Do not use web based tests like >>60037126 or Spotify/Tidal whatever.

>>60036829
>I have tinnitus and I can hear the difference between 128kbps and 320kbps
Unless extreme tinnitus has nearly nothing to do with codec listening.

>>60036746
>I can't even hear the differences between 128k mp3 and FLAC, depending on the genre
Very plausible but yet again all of these codec claims lack the important bits.

>>60037198
Doesn't matter.

>>60037637
>Possible bait
I don't know, what kind of headphone do you like?

>>60037692
hd599

>>60037692
Fill out the form, shlomo.

>>60035960
Yeah, like 50% sounds kinda soft, I don't really know how to explain this. I think I kinda like it this way.

I found some distortion when the lowest frequency hit 0db on the equalizer that foobar2000 has, but a little bit.

>>60037508
Is there a point when you are incredibly biased and already have it in your head that the little three are all there is in the world of DACs/amps? Again, DACs/Amps was only a smaller scale example. Maybe there are only one or two competitive alternatives, but they are being overlooked nonetheless.
If you followed the conversation you'd know Im talking about headphones
>>60037548
I dont know any competetive closed headphones at or under $110 other than the same few endlessly shilled on Reddit or Headfi. Its not up to me to offer alternatives, its up to you to disprove my point by offering anything outside of those. Otherwise anon should go to a hi-fi audio shop and try headphones out himself. I assume he's starting out and doesnt even know what he wants in terms of sound signature which is why he didnt give any details.
Tell me, why should he not listen to headphones before buying? I wouldnt recommend you buy a gun youve never handled or fired in person. I wouldnt recommend buying a mechanical keyboard unless youve actually went to a store and tried out mechs to see what type of switch feels best, or at least buy a tester.

>>60037587
You dont need anything besides Schiit Fulla. Just buy those and you can upgrade to Asgard 2 or Jotunheim later

>>60037720
$200
Gaming
Full size
open
comfy
doesn't matter

>>60037780
hd599

>>60037692
>>60037780
AKG K701/K702

>>60037761
So you're saying I should keep the vinyl amp and headphone amp separate?

>>60037803
>comfy
>doesn't go around the ears, pushes on them

how is this comfy

>>60037792
>hd599
>$200

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>>60037803

Why is /hpg/ so afraid of electrostatic headphones?

>>60037820
I dont know I cant afford speakers, just buy shit, Head-Fi says its good

>>60037823
K701/K702 don't sit on the ears, they're overear headphones. I have them, they're super comfortable.

>>60037871
It's just pointless at the moment.

>>60037860
holy shit just get the extra $20 or whatever it will be worth it

How do I get non chink made AKG 702s?

>>60037866
That gif should be renamed "Beyerdynamics"

>>60037823
>That suspension system
>Those velour earpads
>Foam
Mmmm... they're surely comfy headphones, anon.

>>60037866
>Anon can't handle highs
Sad!

>>60037897
They cost $250 + $24 tax
Might as well go one up.

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>>60037924
>>60037925
Damage control.

>>60037948
then just do it

>>60037889
Why do you say so?

>>60037921
Why would you want austrian K702? Chinese ones are more comfortable (no bumps under the headband), they're cheaper and they don't sound worse. For what I know, new austrian K702 are almost impossible to find. You can find some of then used on eBay though.

>>60037990
>Made in China

top kek

>>60037963
Stop referring to retarded measurements. Q701 have some peaks in the treble region, but they aren't that high or as harsh as Beyer's treble peaks.

>>60037948
Quit shilling; anon is asking for $200 headphones.

>>60037963
Should that somehow affect me, anon? I own the headphones and it doesn't bother me.

>>60038011
It's not 1990 anymore, kiddo. Grow up.

>>60038031
For
>>60037966

>>60038019
Nobody mentioned Beyerdynamic you stupid fucking shill.

Secondly those are diffuse field measurements made by an extremely competent person (unlike Tyll).

Please kill yourself.

Does anyone in /hpg/ have an actual end game setup?

>>60038103
Kek. Take a pill and go get some sleep.
>Getting buttmad over an AKG recommendation
>Meanwhile, the Sennheiser shill is shilling $275 headphones for an anon asking for a $200 pair.

>>60037246
I'm a 600 owner and they're the best headphones I've ever tried, but I don't understand that guys argument at all. The 600 soundstage is clearly very narrow compared to the 702's for example. Sound stage is very real.

>>60038124
That's subjective so yes.

>>60038126
The Sennheiser shill is another stupid fuck that spreads misinformation as well with his Schiit shilling.

All of you, hurry up and commit suicide.

>>60038103
I was simply using Beyerdynamics as a mean of comparison, I didn't mean to offend your intelligence or your attempt of trolling. On a serious note, please refer to Rin Choi's measurements on the K702 if you really care about measurements that are made by a competent person.
Take some Xanax, it's good for your health.

>>60038133
If you want to give your HD600 some 'soundstage', try this:

get a parametric equalizer, reduce around 3k by 4-5dB and boost 8k by about 4-5db, Q to taste.

>>60038126
hey the hd599 are only $230 for me so it's not unrealistic, i didn't post anything beside that so i'm not a fucking Sennheiser™ shill ok you fucking donkey i'll fucking fight you

T50RP opinions?

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>>60037126
Shame on me. Result: 3/6.

Setup: HD600 @ schiit uber stack. Early 30s' ears.

Fooled by (complete with my excuses):
- Tom's Diner: 320. mp3 does a great job with this sort of thing, and this is a classic test sample most lossy codecs have been optimized for.
- Dark Horse: 128. All three versions sound glitchy AF to me, lack of a proper reference to compare against is what got me. I don't even feel bad about failing this one despite 128.
- Speed of Sound: 320. That's the only one I really feel bad about failing. Again not having a reference hurt, but I should have been able to pick up which of the oddities was an artifact rather than intended.

It'd be nice to have a similar website-based test that has an actual "known good" sample to compare against, ABX style.

Most people can't be arsed to compile ABX and play around, which to be fair, I haven''t done in a very long time, and not at all with HD600.

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>>60038166
>On a serious note, please refer to Rin Choi's measurements on the K702 if you really care about measurements that are made by a competent person.
Looks like a shitty rollercoaster

>>60038215
Have you read the analysis of those measurements?

>>60038214
>over 30
>watches anime
>still posts on 4chan
>still uses headphones and not speakers

I hope when I reach 30 I'm not a pleb like you.

can we all just agree to let the dude get the hd599s instead
it's just a few ten dollars more and they're way better

>>60038189
Good but not amazing. The pads are ridiculous, adding thicker ones ruins the sound.

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Flange tips are so comfy. Took my first bus ride with them on a pair of HF5's. Couldn't hear shit. How are the big yellow foam tips in comparison?

In a few years or months I'd like to upgrade to the new ER4SR.

>>60038265
Stop shilling.
>>60037948
>>60038183

>>60038265
>can we all just agree to let the dude get the hd599s instead
This garbage is gonna be $100 in a couple of years. Sennheiser always overprice their new HD5xx. I think they're shit and SHP9500 is better because of the flat impedance.

>>60038286
Flange is patrician tier.

Foam is for plebs.

>>60038286
Also another question. How do you guys put your earbuds on? I put mine upside down and wrap the wire around my ears, then tighten the strap to my neck. Absorbs all the cord rattle. I look retarded but whatever.

>>60038265
>HD 599s
>Better for gaming
Ha!

Why do people like Sennheisers so much? I mean, objectively, they're not even the best headphones

>>60038368
Just use the shirt clip to eliminate microphonics.
>>60038372
Better than AKG garbage, kiddo. Though the HD599 sucks.

>>60038390
I'm scared to use that on my pair of HF5's because the wiring is known to erode quickly. I feel like the clips rigid plastic will only quicken that process.

>>60038389
what are the best headphones objectively?

>>60038182
Just tried it for a meme and it didn't sound any wider or larger lmao. Thanks though.

>>60038390
>Better than AKG garbage
>For gaming
>Inb4 the memeing anon
>Inb4 >>60037866
:^)

>>60035345
I have never liked the normal KGSS-HV. Is the Carbon an improvement?

>>60038389
600's are the best headphones I've ever tried and the 650's are my second best. Which headphone is clearly 'the best' headphone?

>>60038410
>Headphones
>Objective

>>60038249
If you like none of these things, why do you not stop doing them now? To be fair, my tastes haven't changed all that much since I was ~20.

>watches anime
Did like it before I even started going to pre-school and I still like it.

>still posts in 4chan
Started posting when I was in high school. It's mostly seasonal, but I'm still around.

>still uses headphones and not speakers
Actually got into headphones relatively recently, when I left my parents' place to move to a different country within EU. It's not realistic in this small apartment to have speakers, but I like headphones enough that, once I move again and get a bigger place, I will still use headphones.

The plan is to get JBL LSR305 at that point, but I can't see myself using them all that much, except when I have guests around.

>>60038214
Do a proper ABX test if you want to try/train your skills.

>>60038182
I think you should give at least some Q value to start with. People here generally don't seem to have a clue about it.

>>60038389
There is not such thing as "objectively best headphone".

>>60038368
I use Etys so just somewhat like that >>60038286 pic. I pull the ear backwards and upwards, keep my mouth open and insert them upside down twisting them 180 degrees to the correct depth as I push them in.

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I never really come to these threads since I already know what I'm doing but I got new cans yesterday sooo

r8 h8 masturb8

>>60038286
Who's this semen demon?

>>60038510
Let the shitposting begin.

>>60038510
>creative e5
Fucking garbage

>>60038526
Luckily he's using 300 ohm headphones so it won't matter :^)

>Budget
60 (might go a bit higher or lower)
>Location
usa
>Source
my computa
>Type of headphone
full-size
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
anything better than the teac
>Past headphones
Sennheiser HD201, Teac cth02

Right now I'm looking at the Creative Aruvana Live and the Sony MDR-v6

>>60038526
What is wrong with it?

>>60038510
>Creative Labs
Tsk, tsk, tsk, anon. That brings you down to about a 'Retarded Fuck/10'

>>60038540
if 1000 ohm headphones existed, the e5 would still be complete garbage

>>60037780
>$200
>Gaming
>Full size
>open
>comfy
>doesn't matter
Sennheiser HD599, HD598se
AKG k702, k712

>>60038389
Personally for me I have huge respect for them because they are the last company that prices their high-end headphones accordingly. I mean the HD600/650, HD800 and HD800S are all high value propositions compared to their direct rivals.

Also watch their factory tour. It's very impressive how meticulous they are in their approach to headphones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5es8zggYM7A

>>60038553
BAD sound quality. Like worse-than-your-2008-phone bad. It gets loud, but it sounds awful.

>>60038553
It's too expensive for what it offers but it's one of the very few in existance that meets my needs

>>60038490
>I use Etys so just somewhat like that
That looks like a very refined way of inserting Etys, I just shove em in

>>60038510
Sell that fucking thing and buy a fulla 2. You brought the correct headphones though, enjoy.

>>60032152
Anything better than meze 99 in it's category?

>>60038548
V6 is a safe choice.
>>60038553
Nothing is wrong with it, ignore the retards who have no idea what they're posting.
>>60038572
No they're not, they're overpriced like every other audiophile manufacturer.
>>60038603
Won't make an audible difference.

>>60038586
I want to see some data.

>>60038595
The procedure hardly takes any time. I use foam tips and I've found that to be the best way to insert them. Frost triflanges are easy to shove in. White ones are too big for me.

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>mfw no one ever talks about T50RP's + Shure SRH1540 pads

hi

does the hd600 headband fit the hd650s? because i want to put the hd600s headband onto hd650s

thank you

>>60038661
Yes.

>>60038633
>I want to see some data.
There is no data. Buy a Fiio E10K and compare them yourself. If you don't end up getting rid of the E5, then you're fucking deaf.

>>60038661
Yes, both are interchangable between headphones

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>>60038510
>HD600
Good taste, Anon.
>Creative labs SoundBlaster™
I removed mine from the motherboard. I have two fucking xfi and an audigy 2, they all sound horrible against both the motherboard and the schiit stuff (uber stack and fulla2). They sound somewhat better, but still bad when passed through the magni2u.

Needless to say, I've by now given up on Creative. They're RIP to me. The emu10k1 was nice, but everything after that just sounds bad for whatever reason. Even with the speakers I had back at my old place, emu10k1 and onboard would sound good, and the audigy/xfi would sound bad. wtf creative?

I feel stupid about the second xfi (which is the titanium fucking hd, got it used on ebay for 60€ or something). It sounds as bad as the "titanium fatal1ty pro" I already had.

>>60038661
Yeah, definitely.

Most if not all parts are interchangeable between HD600 and HD650.

>>60038445
Yeah. I used to have a 500V fullsize PSU IXYS KGSSHV and the Carbon is noticeably better. It's not magically different or anything though. Little clearer. Better instrument separation and sense of space. Better bass. Tone wise it's a little closer to maybe the T1. Probably a result of the Cree Mosfets used in place of the old IXYS stuff.

But I mean, just look at the circuit, it's still 90% a KGSS/KGSSHV. Just measures better for distortion, has a higher standing current and is slightly faster.

>>60038678
I don't have either and more importantly I have no way to conduct a proper test even if I had. Answer here is: we don't know.

>>60038674
>>60038688
>>60038717
Very Nice

>>60038746
I'm telling you it sounds like shit because I had it. I A/B'd it with my computer. It sounds like shit.

>>60038725
this is the most audiophile post i've ever seen

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>>60038725
>slightly faster

>>60038766
>it's shit because of my sighted biased A/B test

>>60038776
That is literally the only time you'll see that used technically correctly in these threads. It's not about sound, it's about the electrical response of the amp.

>>60038766
If it's shit, you can be more precise. You can explain it with terms that have a meaning and can be somehow quantified. I won't trust your ears just like I wouldn't trust mine if you just repeat it's bad. A/B to the bin.

>>60038703
Only legit criticism.

I went to the music store to test a few of these out and I honestly can't see a SIGNIFICANT difference in sound. Yes there was a difference but the feature trade off is what is more important to me at this time.

Based on your own experience, can you describe the sound from Creative compared to others?

>>60038037
chinkshit got even worse after nip bubble economy crashed and chinks pentupled mass producing for the African markets

>>60038808
If you want to know why it's shit, it's because it colors the sound in a super bad way. The wiring of the thing is set up so that all sound passes through Creative's DSP which can't really be disabled.
>>60038795
If I were biased the bias would be running the other way, fucking retard.

>>60038011
>Implying Sennheiser plastic is any better

>>60038773
yes anon, because most posters are underage teenagers

>>60038808
And what's that here? Slew rate? Bandwidth?

>>60038841
>because it colors the sound in a super bad way
kek

>>60038183
We dont all have the Sennheiser employee discount

>>60032152
>>60032152
>>60032152
>>60032152
Alright /g/ I know this isnt stupid question general but please give me the top 3 best surround sound gaming headsets out right now.

I tried to read up on the difference between real and virtual surround sound and whats better but im still pretty confused.

Not really worried about budged but I want the best headset gaming surround sound experience possible

>>60038854
Buy it then pussy. Put your money where your mouth is.

>>60038868
this is going to blow your mind
the software for "surround sound" is LITERALLY FREE

you don't even need to buy anything, it works on any earspeaker you have. it's fucking incredible

>>60038465
>Did like it before I even started going to pre-school and I still like it.
Do you think this makes it any better? No one is saying youre not a real anime fan because you just discovered anime, you fucking autist. Youre an autist for still watching the same slant eye children cartoons you watched as Mommy! breastfed you.

>>60038868
"real" surround is garbage

virtual surround uses software. download razer surround and gaym on :^)

>>60038854
meant for >>60038807

>And what's that here? Slew rate? Bandwidth?

>>60038881
>>60038868

some games even HAVE IT BUILT IN like overwatch and battlefield 1, it's right fucking there in the options

>>60038807
No, it's still expectation bias.

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>>60038868
Literally take any headphones and just download Razer's surround sound software garbage.

>>60038868
Virtual surround sound with headphones would be more effective. 7.1 headphones sound horribly muffly. The surround sound effect is also not really that effective in comparison to virtual surround sound. They're about equal. Best to just buy a good pair of 2.1 headphones and turn on virtual surround sound in your competitive games.

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>>60038465
>I've been using 4chan since 2001, I saw 9/11 with /pol/
Cool, but the key word here is _still_

>>60038628
>No they're not, they're overpriced like every other audiophile manufacturer.

Consider companies like HiFiMan or Audeze that charge 3 or 4 grands for their flagships and yet have ergonomics, measurements and QC worse than the $999 HD800.

>>60038725
That sounds nice. I haven't known anyone who owned one in my country or Singapore so it may be hard to get a listen.

I'm super curious on how it compares with the BHSE because they sounded absolutely magic with my old SR-007. I'm not sure I have the patience for another 2 years wait though if I ever get back to the STAX game.

>>60038901
can the ear even detect distances this small and so close

>>60038915
/pol/ wasn't around backthen you faggot ass desu

>>60038875
>Put your money where your mouth is
My mouth is nowhere here. I was asking information why is it shit because I don't know. I still don't. You repeated that it's shit/bad multiple times and we learned nothing.

>If I were biased the bias would be running the other way, fucking retard.
???

>>60038265
Ten dollars, why you need to save 5 dollars?Its only two dollars more so just buy it.

>>60038882
I remember awhile ago, you'd get BTFO'd for saying anything against anime; what's happening now?

>>60038925
If you believe.

>>60038881
>>60038884
>>60038893
Not the same but, how does this kind of software actually works?
I always thought 3D games already had some sort of audio engine to make it sound like that.

>>60038933
Duh, of course, it was /news/ back then, I was there on 4chan in '95 and we totally called it that Oklahoma City was a false flag

>>60038943
>we learned nothing
You learned nothing because you're incapable of learning. Regardless, you're asking me to provide information which doesn't exist and information which you wouldn't be able to provide either so there's clearly some other motive here.

Basically every reviewer, poster, or anything out there says yeah, it's shit, and you're like "B-but where are duh measurements? You can't hear the differences without muh measurements!". So let's get to the real question here, why are you defending a piece of shit hardware so much?

>>60038977
what is google

>>60038465
>JBL LSR305

why would y ou get these, which are specifically designed to be used in rooms where you need speakers to be quiet and not annoy others.. how are you thinking here my dude. also literally no bass.

>>60038983
Not the anon you responded to, but maybe it's the pursuit of knowledge and truth that he is defending not the actual hardware

He just wants to know why you have your opinion desu and what data you have that can back up your claims desu. Nothing unreasonable unless your a retarded man-child desu

>>60038967
>I remember awhile ago, you'd get BTFO'd for saying anything against anime
In your dreams maybe.

>inb4 anime website
Only newfags actually fall for this meme and revisionist history. 4chan was not made to discuss anime, it was made by Jewt because he was banned for not discussing anime on SA, which is why /b/ was anime/random

>>60039024
>Not the anon you responded to, but maybe it's the pursuit of knowledge and truth that he is defending not the actual hardware
I already told him measurements don't exist. If here were after those, he could've just fucked off right then and there but instead he goes to great efforts to defend this piece of hardware. Why?
>He just wants to know why you have your opinion desu and what data you have that can back up your claims desu.
I have stated how I determined it was bad and why it is bad. Re-read the thread.

>>60039051
>Implying i'm pro-anime
Are you reading yourself right now?

>>60038389
Theyre cheap enough for poorfaggots who cant even afford a car let alone a car stereo
90% of Sennshills are still on their parent's insurance

>>60039051
>4chan was not made to discuss anime

some niggas really are THIS retarded...... sigh......

>>60038983
What the hell...

>You learned nothing because you're incapable of learning.
Kek. I would disagree. Would be a pretty grim life if that was the case.

Example of my learning ability: I understood that there is no data on the first reply. I didn't ask for it again. Instead I asked you to be precise about why is it shit since you so clearly said you heard it. You mumble something vague twice as a response.

> So let's get to the real question here, why are you defending a piece of shit hardware so much?
Get a grip. It's truly impossible to be neutral here, isn't it? Point out the part where I was defending it. I was simply asking an honest question because I despise people throwing claims that they can't back up.

>>60038868
kys

>>60038817
Creative past emu10k1. Tested:
- audigy 2 (with emu10k2)
- xfi titanium fatal1ty pro
- xfi titanium hd (supposedly has a builtin amp for headphone jack unlike the others, I don't think it works very well as chaining a magni2 from its line outs is already a sizable improvement).

Against:
- Onboard (crystal sound 2)
- Fulla 2
- Modi2u+Magni2u

With headphones: HD598. HD600 only briefly and only with the titanium hd, as I both got the HD600 and removed the card very recently.

The creative stuff has three issues:
- "energy" is missing: All sounds seem to have about the same volume even when that's not the case (eg: a +15dB peak). Everything is "softened".
- imaging is worse. If we were talking photograph, there'd be a "fog" that increases the difficulty of distinguishing individual sounds.
- (worst problem imho): Anything that's significantly under the "average" level of the song is entirely missing. Like WTF?! I suspect it's to do with the first problem.

The onboard has less of the first two issues, and none of the latest. The schiit stuff has no trace of any of these issues.

I was blissfully ignorant until someone lent me a Fulla 2 which I tested on HD598. It changed my perspective that much. All it took was a click on chihaya's "aoi tori". My jaw dropped soon after, as that song that I had listened to so many times as part of my im@s collection suddently sounded so fucking awesome and grabbing. After a few days of A/B-ing like crazy and rediscovering my headphones and music collection, I returned the Fulla 2 to its owner, and ordered the magni2. Later, I added the modi2u and fulla2 to my collection.

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serious question. Are receivers the best amplifiers for bookshelf speakers and headphones?

>>60039155

new thread

>>60039103
>Instead I asked you to be precise about why is it shit since you so clearly said you heard it. You mumble something vague twice as a response.
Just lol. I was rather clear about why it was shit. I don't know why you don't understand what I was saying. I think the failure here is on your part.

>Get a grip. It's truly impossible to be neutral here, isn't it? Point out the part where I was defending it. I was simply asking an honest question because I despise people throwing claims that they can't back up.
I backed up my claim, you're just either willfully ignoring it, or didn't understand what I was saying. Again, answer the question. Why are you trying so hard to defend a piece of obviously shit gaymurr hardware?

>>60039165
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>>60038891
>And what's that here? Slew rate? Bandwidth?

The cascode current configuration of the PSU is significantly more efficient giving you more bandwidth for a given current and the standing current itself is double that of the old amp.

>>60038977
They do. The shit in Overwatch and BF1 is tested to be pure placebo because games already do this normally. Dolby Atmos is a mess.
The audio in every game is still garbage compared to proper sound implementation that will never be implemented in games because consoles cant handle it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXUTgEmnD6U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05EL5SumE_E

>>60038986
you don't know, ok, google it is.

How do your headphones stack up /hpg/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqVCPE8_ntE

>>60039223
>dolby

>>60039196
Very interesting, Thanks Anon, i always had a feeling there was somethign fishy about "virtual surround".

>>60039161
Yes, though dedicated desktop receivers for PCs exist and are better and dont get as hot.

>>60038868
>Alright /g/ I know this isnt stupid question general but please give me the top 3 best surround sound gaming headsets out right now.
They all suck. The cheapest you can get is the best, because you lose the least money by buying that one. Note not buying any such thing at all is still better.
>I tried to read up on the difference between real and virtual surround sound and whats better but im still pretty confused.
Real surround is something you'd do with a lot of speakers in a huge room. It doesn't work with headphones because having a bunch of tiny drivers in the same envelope are going to distort like crazy no matter what. You'd get the best SQ by using a single of the drivers / ear rather than all of them at once, but it'd still be shit because tiny drivers can only do so much.
Virtual surround makes most sense with headphones because, unlike with speakers where you'd have to be at a specific point in the room for this to work, headphones are always next to your ears. Think about it, how you perceive 3d sound is simple DSP-like work in your brain, it's not as if you had more than 2 ears.
>Not really worried about budged but I want the best headset gaming surround sound experience possible
The way you're going to get that is by ditching the headset and getting actual headphones and a separate mic. You already knew this from the start, particularly if you even glanced at the links in the OP, but you seem to have a hard time coming into terms with this reality.

Now, go fill the form so that we can recommend you some decent headphones. No matter what, they're going to sound better than whatever gaymer garbage you have or were thinking about getting.

>>60039312
>They all suck. The cheapest you can get is the best, because you lose the least money by buying that one. Note not buying any such thing at all is still better.

Yea it's common knowledge but do you have DUH MEASUREMENTS? Remember you can't say they all suck unless you have DUH MEASUREMENTS for all of them!

>>60038868
>virtual surround
Windows 10 "creators edition" implements that. It even offers two implementations by default, one by microsoft and a "free download" dolby one from the windows shop.

>>60033858
wow you fucked up the baffle, nice job hacking up 400 dollars

>>60039312
So you are telling me that the $200 ASUS Strix gaming headset with an amplifier is ultimately a complete gimmick?

All those channels for sound location and gaming preferences is all bullshit?

There is an entire section of headset industry that is a farce?

Wtf

>>60039680
yes...

>>60039680
>reddit spacing

>>60039680
Of course, just get a nice pair of stereo headphones and you're good for years. Any gaymer marketed headset is trash and usually overpriced. 7.1 Surround is a gimmick.

Canadian anon, you still around? Do you have an e-mail or something that I can use to get in touch with you? I might need to commission a Carbon in the future.

>>60039882
alright thanks for the wake up call...

So whats good for around 100-150? im assuming I have to get a table mic or is there stereo headsets with mics that are good/ worth the money

>>60039680
>So you are telling me that the $200 ASUS Strix gaming headset with an amplifier is ultimately a complete gimmick?
Yes. Welcome to gaymer headsets, where you get $15 sound quality at $300+

>>60040135
There's a few options with that budget.
I'll assume you live alone and do not listen to ultraloud volumes where open headphone sound leakage would feed into the mic.
I'd look into:
Sennheiser HD599, HD598se.
AKG k702, k712.

>>60040135
I responded in the new thread if you need your answer since this one should die within the next hour or 2