/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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>>60024683
>i5 edges out R5 for gaming, R5 wins in apps.
Why do you insist on being retarded? Honest question.
Even a 5GHz overclocked 7600k is a stutterfest on dozens of games from the past few years.

>>60024745
gee that infographic shows a fair, unbiased, and legitimate set of data points. thanks for your great contribution

>t. salty ryzen user

>>60024765
It's a wide range of 4 games with 2 CPUs and 2 different graphics cards.
Yeah, that's a good deal of data and pretty unbias.
One of them is even a Gameworks game. The other is Crysis. 3 are some of the most popular games.
It's representative of many more games and you never see Ryzen+AMD GPU acting like 7600+anything does.

The only way you can make the 1600 look like a stuttering mess like the 7600k is by pairing it with a Nvidia GPU.
But you say it's bias since no examples of the 1600 stuttering like the 7600k does exist unless it's with an Nvidia GPU whose driver is causing the issues. What a fucktard.

tell me wat pc games to get since ive been out of the loop for 10 years,

(last pc is a core 2 duo with nvidia9800 struggling on crysis 1 bioshock etc)

heres my new pc btw r8 or h8 i dont give a sh8 m8

ryzen5 1500x
16gb ram 3000mhz
rx 480 8gb
144hz 24" monitor

also i bought an m.2 ssd was it a mistake?

>>60024900
If you can overclock, get the 1600. It's $30 more for something way better overclocked.

And only get the RX480 8GB if it's on sale for cheap. Like under $200. Namely an XFX GTR RX480 since it uses a Fury PCB.

>also i bought an m.2 ssd was it a mistake?
No, that's fine, if you just got a decent brand and not like a Patriot or an Intel p600.

Should I get an i5-7500 or an R5 1600 for my first build?

>>60024927
The dumb shit i do doesnt need more than 4 cores m8, already pulled the trigger but ill look at benchs to see how i fucked myself

got it for 189 after rebate, its a GIGABYTE windforce though...not sure if thats a bad thing

theres only a few brands out, got crucial 575gb version. i was going to go regular ssd but the prices are the same, and the new mobo accepted it, so fuck it

Are there any benches around showing if CL16 vs CL14 make any difference on Ryzen?

>>60024974
amd fanboy here. if you want to nickel and dime every ounce of performance out of games then the i5. but if you just want a good cpu where you can multitask without losing much performance, game at nearly the same FPS (hardly noticeable variance), then the 1600 is right for you.

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I'm genuinely curious if the 7700k AMD equivalent is a better buy, but I'm too new to /g/ and can't tell the memes and actual advice apart and every infographic on framerates either gets cries of bias or shilling from other anons.

>>60025026
this guy again
>>60025012

they're basically the same, get what you want. those 16 threads are too good to pass up in my opinion. those few frames that the 1700 is behind on is made up with better multitasking.

yes if you want to squeeze every frame out of games then the i7 is better, but if you just want a really good CPU the 1600 or 1700 is honestly the best.

>>60024974
The 1600 is clearly better. Even the 1500X is better than a 7500.
4c/4t are stuttering messes in so many games now days, even overclocked to 5GHz, let alone at locked i5 clocks. You need a minimum 4c/8t if you don't want threads getting locked so much.

>>60025026
Depends on what you do.
The 7700k can be better as long as you don't mind delidding it and are on a 144hz or 240hz monitor.
But the AMD equivalents (1600X, or 1700 overclocked) are more consistent, have less frame drops, and are generally better at lower framerates like 4K 60fps since they will better maintain that 60fps instead of dropping frames as much.
And if you do any non-gaming, the AMD 6 or 8 core is clearly better.

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>>60025088
>this guy again
l i t e r a l l y the first time I've asked
>>60025111
assuming you're too tech-retarded to delid, does Ryzen beat it out due to the temps preventing higher OCs?

>>60025134
sorry I meant it's me again.

>>60025012
>>60025088

are me

>>60025134
>this guy again
What he meant was
"I made this post
>>60025012
"

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>>60025088
>>60025156
>>60025159
shit i'm retarded
thanks anon for putting up with it

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>>60024765
Fuck off, Shlomo.

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Anyone know what kind of fan controller can handle a 5400rpm Delta fan.

I had one hooked up to one of these and it would work for about a minute before the fan would die off and kick on over and over every 10 seconds.

After about it week it just stopped working altogether.

I swear to god, my monitor is melting from one edge or something, everything feels tilted despite there being no actual indication of any tilt.

>>60025134
You can still get the stock 4.4-4.5GHz without a delid, generally.
Idling a 45-55C just feels extremely uncomfortable for a lot of us.
That stock 4.4-4.5 is still higher than the 3.8-4.1 of the 1600X.
But the 1600X has 50% more cores for your other shit on your OS to run on while your game's primary threads can use the other 4.

For pure gaming like if the PC is used on a console, the 7700k is better at least for current games. For everything else, or a mix of gaming and other stuff, the Ryzen 5 or 7 are better.
Ryzen 5 is also cheaper. 1600/1600X is cheaper than a 7700k. Cooler is cheaper since all you need is like a $35 Cryorig H7 instead of a $90 Noctua D15 or AIO, motherboards are cheaper, etc. It's the better buy for most people.

Hell, most people would just buy 7600ks. A 1600 build is still better than that and also cheaper, as a good demonstration of how good the 1600 and 1600X are.

>bought a 290x to replace my 6950 a few years ago for all the big games I was playing then
>the 6950 is above the recommended specs for most of the games I'm playing now

Anyway, got any case fan recommendations?
Case included a 120mm fan each front and back, it can fit up to two 140mm on front.

>>60025239
if you don't care about color then nocua is always a good choice.

>>60025246
noctua*

Does XFX still do lifetime warranty

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>>60025229
Thanks for the in-depth. It'd honestly just be used for gaming 99% of the time, browsing light otherwise and other normie-tier things people do on a computer. To be completely honest I'm unsure what other things most people are referring to when they discuss multitasking, as all I imagine is what I mentioned above.

I'm pretty sure my insecurity over it is just dealing with a new platform, as I've never had an AMD CPU, though I've used plenty of their GPUs. I generally have to re-learn a lot of things, as I just build/overhaul a computer every 4-5 years or so and this would be my fourth with only building on Intel.

>that level of intel shilling in the op
Wonder who is behind this post

>>60025350
doing multiple shit at once.

watching videos and gaming. rendering video and playing games and watching videos.

well for me personally I like to play games with videos/twitch in the background.

>>60025010
There are a few - the difference is basically zero compared to straight up more mhz.

So you guys mean, on most boards, overclocking Ryzen will make the CPU be at full frequency and voltage all the freaking time?
It won't down-clock and down-volt when I leave it at idle?

What the fuck is this? This is nothing like on Intel where the OC still down-clocks and down-volts at idle. I thought this was granted nowadays.

>>60025350
You'd probably be happy with the money saved on a 1600X and not notice that you only get 250fps instead of 280fps in CS:GO.
They're much cooler and more efficient chips, so probably go with the 1600X anyway.

>I'm pretty sure my insecurity over it is just dealing with a new platform, as I've never had an AMD CPU
You're missing out. AMD completely dominated from 2000-2008.
For a new architecture and platform loss, this has been really painless. Only problem has been some RAM speed shit.

>>60025399
>well for me personally I like to play games with videos/twitch in the background.
A better example for normies is that with a 1600X, you can enable Steam downloading/updating games in the background without affecting performance.
But yeah, for anyone multimonitor, the 6 core generally makes more sense.

Hello. Havent upgraded since 2010. Should I buy the latest and greatest in the ((((((((current year))))))))) or should I keep waiting?

>>60025474
I've googled and can't find anything comparing CL at the same Mhz.

>>60024898
you're new

>>60025497
GPU wise? Probably not. Vega/Volta/Navi will be bigger deals.

CPU wise? Maybe. Zen2 or Zen3 will probably be a big step up from this first release, but they use the same motherboard and Ryzen is still great compared to 2010 shit.

>tfw your components a ship separately and get delivered one at a time over the course of an entire week.
>case always comes first, CPU always comes last

>>60025483
ryzen is shit desu it's just a meme

Trying to get an ISO for Windows 10 Pro but I'm only on normal 8.1 so it will only give me Windows 10 Home.

Looks like I'm going to have to pirate a copy of 7 Ultimate and go through it that way.

Are 8GB VRAM necessary for 1080@60hz or will 4 be fine?

>>60025557
>ordered my parts over the course of the month
>ordered case 3rd out of 8 items
>everything else has arrived except for the case
i-it's still gonna come, right?

>>60025500
There was a recent video I watched that was comparing Ryzen mhz scaling to Skylake mhz scaling - they did a brief bit at the end comparing the CL ratings on Ryzen which showed no difference in performance unless you dropped all the way to CL20.

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>>60025486
Assuming I have more money than brain cells, is the 1700 worth the extra $60-70? Everyone seems to be stating to pick up the non-X version and OC it to roughly where the 1700x is.

I'm in a place where sometime in the next 6 months I'd like to build a "dream" PC, as long as it's not literally throwing money into a dumpster fire, so I'm not opposed to paying extra if it's worthwhile.

Thanks for all the answers to my stupid questions.

>>60025580
8GB is the minimum for gaming these days.

>>60025625
i thought you said RAM not VRAM. Ignore my post.

>>60025606
Unless you're doing heavy productive use, na. The 6 core is good enough for light mixed workloads and is way way better value.
It's 6 cores 12 threads for $220 vs 8 cores 16 threads for $330. Simple math.

If it turns you that you want an 8core later, just upgrade to the improved 2700 or 3700 in a year or two. Simple.

>>60025580
4GB of VRAM is fine for 1080p. Worst case is that you have to drop down 4K textures setting to a normal texture resolution.

>>60025606
The difference between the 6-core Ryzen and 8-core Ryzen in gaming (at least at this point) is minimal despite a significant jump in price, hence why the 1600+OC is such a good price/perf and highly recommended, while the R7s are rarely recommended.

If you have more money than brains, you'd arguably be best off with either the 1600x or 7700k since you wouldn't even need the brains to OC either of them to get very good performance.

Personally I think overclocking is a meme for the most part anyway - the difference moving up to OC is rarely enough that you would even subjectively notice it without having FPS displayed on screen.

>>60025580
4 is absolutely fine.

Why is jet.com so terrible. I want to use their stupid coupon but all their shit is way overpriced.

>>60025767
Jet's great if and only if you buy something they have on a massive sale with one of their coupons AND you live in a state that they don't charge tax on
Everything else is shit

>>60025702
the only people who can argue with you are people with really high OC's but we can't really hear them anyway because of how loud their PC's are lol

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>>60025687
>>60025702
Thanks anons, I appreciate your time. I'll take a look at 1600/1600x and try to find a build around there. It would be nice to not have to buy into a dead socket.

>>60025350
Do you leave firefox/chrome open while playing games? Yes? Congratulations you are now multitasking.
>>60025775
>commiefornia
I'm fucked no matter what I do. On the bright side I make a ton of money so it evens out in the end.
>>60025794
The 1600 comes with a cooler, the x version doesn't and if you have to buy one it might be seriously worth looking into the 1700 which comes with one. Worst case you can overclock them all the same and the 'boost' functionality AMD provides is minimal.

>>60025602
Fuck, because I didn't want to waste money com a 3200Mhz CL14 kit VS a CL 16 one if perf is the same. Problem is all Samsung B-Die at 3200Mhz is CL14...

How do I install Windows 10 Pro? Getting a key is one thing but I can't even get the ISO.

>purposely waiting to buy a cuck tier poorfag card

literally fuck off with this shit, the 1080ti is the most powerful card literally ever made, and it would be a mistake not to buy it. Thanks to BASED Nvidia, you can get an unmatched power from a single card that outperforms any shit tier AMDrone cuck card, especially the fucking firehouse 580, and there's literally no excuse for not buying a superior Nvidia card. Also any jelly AMDrone cuck that tries to rebute this needs to fuck off, one: there's no argument for superiority, two: AYYMD opinion dis""Carded""... Also don't expect anything near as good from AMDrone, the 590x? more like the 590nothankyou

>inb4 muh powerdraw
>inb4 muh temps
>inb4 muh powerdraw

fuck off, there is nothing from with a 450 watt TPD, and 100C is a temp the card was tested to run at, so it literally doesn't fucking matter.

>>60026228
SHUT THE F U C K UP
THE AMD VEGA WILL BE THE B E S T CARD

What's the best B350 board right now? I'm gonna pick up a 1600 sometime next month

>>60026377
Been doing a lot of looking around. I can't speak with authority but tomahawk looks pretty good as long as you are not doing crossfire on linux. All of the b350 will suffer on GPU passthrough if you want to do that in the future.

What the smallest machine I could build that can handle two monitors?

I'm interesting in building my own small form factor PC, but I don't think I could go back to having just one monitor. Note this will not be a gaming rig.

After getting used with shitty integrated gpus, I think the 1050 Ti will be fine for me for years to come.

>>60026087
Download the Windows 10 ISO from Microsofts website and look up windows 10 pro keys on google, there should be a website with a bunch of pro keys, it wont matter if they're used, just use one as your key. Windows will restart and install the Pro components but Windows still wont be activated.

I know this sounds like BS but it fucking works.

>>60026495
Node 202 could definitely do it with the right components - I'm nore sure if any Intel NUC support multi monitor.

RGB is on everything now, yet it costs +$40 to stick a few 2 cent lights on it.

>>60026519
Why would you not get an RX470 when they cost around the same?

>>60026495
Integrated graphics can generally handle 3 monitors. At lest AMD APUs can. And an RX550 handles 6.

>>60026524
You're damn right that sounds like BS. So I just get the Windows 10 (base) ISO and then enter a Pro key?

So I eventually will need a legitimate key but it at least gives me a free bump up to Pro? Do you have a video or some sort of source/proof of this?

>>60026524
>>60026583
I'm also at Uni right now so I have access to Windows 10 Education which is apparently even better than Pro somehow. It doesn't come with Cortana but that seems like a positive to me.

>>60024683
Will my 60gb ssd hold windows 10?

>>60026583
>So I just get the Windows 10 (base) ISO and then enter a Pro key?

Yes, that is all you have to do. Microsoft does NOT care if you pirate windows, they just care that you are using their botnet.

>Do you have a video or some sort of source/proof of this?

I don't, just my word. But it can't hurt to try.

>>60026548
>>60026495
I am running a 1440p and a 1600x900 on a Radeon HD 7640G. Thats from 2013 if anyone is counting. A modern iGPU can handle anything as long as you are not doing any gaming.

>>60026603
Yes.

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Want to upgrade from an r9 280x.

Not sure whether to wait for pascal price drop, get a 980 ti cheap, get a rx 580, or wait for volta.

>>60026603
Yes, but not well. You will run into a lot of issues with paging and temp files at that size.

>>60026627
Wait for Vega if you want a big upgrade. 280x to 580 isn't that big of a jump, unless you are doing 1440p gaming or something.

I am trying to find the most economical way of upgrading my rig

>Core i5 3570k
>EVGA 660ti SC
>P-8Z77-V Pro
>2x8 gskill DDR3

how would i go about it?

>>60026087
>one thing
go here https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO/
using mac or linux or android or an old version of windows to get the direct links

>>60026529
>Node 202 could definitely do it with the right components - I'm nore sure if any Intel NUC support multi monitor.

According to this page, it can, just with different ports or daisy-chaining.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/boards-and-kits/000005571.html

>>60026681
What's your budget anon? Hard to upgrade over that sort of jump.

>>60026706
lets say under 1000

>>60026548
>Why would you not get an RX470 when they cost around the same?

In my country? Nvidia stuff are much much cheaper.

>>60026714
>i7-3770K
>1070

>>60026605
Honestly I think I'm going to go with Education at this point. Looks like Pro without the Cortana bullshit but with some added bullshit I'll never use.

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>>60026743
That probably would be the better choice anyway. Since you won't have a prompt to activate windows 10 at the bottom of your screen at all times.

>>60026714
Ryzen 1600 - 219
B350 tomahawk - 109
Ram - 110 and feel like killing yourself for upgrading in a NAND shortage
Rx 470 - 150 but you can wait on this to save money and use your 660 as a placeholder

Total cost 588

>>60026774
Yeah, thank you for the advice earlier, though.

>>60026784
>Total cost 588

that's pretty good, could i overclock my 660 too?

>>60026802
Your welcome.

>>60026813
Yup, b350 chipset supports OC

>>60026784
>>60026813
also is it necessary to upgrade my mobo? i thought it would be smarter to invest more money into a better gpu/cpu

Who makes the best 120mm fans these days?

>>60026832
Depends. Ivy bridge is old and parts for them are a bit expensive for not as much gain. There isn't any room for you to upgrade in the i5 range so you have to move to an i7 on an old chipset so expect to spend about 340 there. Your RAM is still fine for anything I think, so I would advise against upgrading that if unless you switch to a new MB to take advantage of better CPUs.

After a bit more thought if you want to delay purchases as long as you can get the GPU first and than order the rest as time goes on.

>>60026832
p sure you need to to fit the ryzen 1600

Hello????? Wake up!!!!

>>60024683
>i5 edges out R5 for gaming
So that's why everyone recommends R5 even for gaymen, makes sense, yeah

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jrV4vV
Hello, from PH, thinking of building a pc for gaming and watching HD animu. I'm limited to playing dota 2 and using KCP at mid settings with my 5-6 year old laptop, an acer 4750(i7-2670qm, gt540m). I'm kinda set on the g4560 and rx 480 already (chose amd over nvidia for the freesync). I'm trying to cut down on the price or if you have a better build/ part for the same budget I' m all ears. My current build cost 63k php or about $1260. Mind you this is my first time trying to build one and I already feel retarded with this price and what i'm getting.

>>60028310
Can't you just get an RX470 4GB for significantly cheaper?
That's a ridiculous cost for a shit PC. I wonder if you're trolling, really, with the 2 250GB SSDs when you can get a 500GB for $30 more instead of double.

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>>60024683

>>60028467
Not trolling. My decision for getting the 480 over the 470 was an almost 1kphp or 20 dollar difference. I guess I could cut back at that. OOPS,Good eye! Removed the other ssd. But the price was from the build with just 1 ssd so its still in that price range.

>>60028576
Go a mATX build. That case is so expensive. In US you can find decent mATX cases for $20-$30.

I bought a X370 gaming pro carbon, 1600x 16 gb ddr4 3000 mhz. How hard did I fuck up ?

>>60028697
Really overpriced board when the VRMs on the tomahawk are exactly the same, IIRC.

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I need to change gpu but what to?
is rx 480 8bg for 240 euro a good deal?
I

also rate build

>>60028739
Just overclock your 390. wtf?
That thing is still better than a GTX970. On par with a 980 or 980Ti.

>>60028755
look again i don't have 390 if i did i wouldn't feel the need to upgrade yet
its 380 even worse its 2gb version

>>60028598
matx is a no go. Planning on expanding. The aerocool 1000 was on the cheaper side but had all the things i needed or i think i would need for starting out to building one. Think less $300, for the monitor and your left with the pc itself.

>>60028697
>x
Slightly. 1600 is exactly the same when overclocked but cheaper and with free cooler.

>>60028697
>x
>3000mhz ram
>gaming pro carbon
>How hard did I fuck up ?
like lots of wasted $

good system but you could get same preformance for less

>>60024683
WHAT IS THE BEST SILENT CASE ON THE MARKET

I NEED TWO 3.5' BAYS IN FRONT

>>60028773
Oh a 2GB 380. Yeah that kinda sucks now. My 3GB 7970 gets by fine.
RX480 8GB for 240 euro seems like too much but apparently your RX580s are like 300 euro+.
Even an RX470 4GB would be a significant upgrade. Like over 2x.

>>60028781
Expanding what?
Anyway, I know you can get a 1600+rx570+monitor+500gb SSD for about $1000 USD.

Will ryzen meme end in august?

Im getting a lot of flickering pixels on the screen when i download the driver for rx 580.
Befote i update it and its running off the integrated I get very few flickering pixels.
I have a dvi-d cable running through my GPU to my 144hz monitor.
Whats going on?

>>60024683
>germany
>1080p gaming (starcraft2, heroes of the storm, nothing too demanding desu)
>some programming
>browsing
>should last for the next 7 years or so
>around 800 euros, preferably lower

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K3ZcvV

for the gpu I picked

https://geizhals.de/sapphire-pulse-radeon-rx-570-4gd5-11266-04-20g-a1610161.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

for now, any suggestions as to what to change for this build?

>>60029133
No, only when Zen+ comes.

>>60029155
>I get very few flickering pixels.
If you were getting those pixels even on integrated your monitor is fucked.

>>60024683
Cant we epicsearch it instead of google?

>>60029196
Get at least 2666 or 2800 RAM and a semi modular PSU? Looks good otherwise.

>>60028974
There is like a 10 dollar difference between 2666 and 3200 right now.

>>60029299
>Get at least 2666 or 2800 RAM
he doesnt need it if he will take rx570 or even rx580 hell even gtx1070
> semi modular PSU?
and what difference it makes not every one constantly look inside his case to have vank looking at fans

>>60029311
you can buy 2133 or 2400 and feel no difference at all

>>60029320
Presumably he'd keep the 1600 for 5+ years but replace the GPU in 2-3.

>and what difference it makes not every one constantly look inside his case to have vank looking at fans
I really meant it more because that brand is shit quality and a decent semi-modular will be kept 10+ years.

Would an rx 580 be sufficient for ultrawide 1080p 60fps on aaa titles like witcher 3?

>>60029378
>ultrawide
>1080p
pick one

>>60029378
8gb one, yeah. But I think you're a fucking retard for even considering 2560x1080. Like just how stupid are you to want 360 less vertical lines?

>>60029299
What is a semi modular PSU good for? I never built a PC before so I have no idea what the advantages are.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JtsKgL

the casing isn't really what I'm planning to buy

I'm buying this one in white
https://www.tecware.asia/quad

planning to have this go RGB. for reasons. (wanting to replicate the NT-D Effect of the Unicorn Gundam by turning LED's red when at 50% load, and to Mint Green @ 70-90% load, if at 100% I'll be rainbowed)

Desperately need to do a new build.
But due to budget limitations I need to make some compromises.

Was thinking going full on with a 7700k and then just buying a 580. and then just buying a new GPU next year, and jump 4k at the same time? thoughts? I have a 780 now but at 1440p its really showings its age.

Alternatively I could go ryzen and save money but nervous about gaming performance down the road. i5 doesnt really suffice for my nongaming life.

>>60029576
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JtsKgL
>that shitty aftermarket cooler
its not going to be significantly better than the stock cooler, its just a waste of money

>>60028310
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j3BvkT

1084$ for this build

>>60029595
will a 212 suffice?

>>60029584
>Was thinking going full on with a 7700k
don't its a shitty stuttering housefire

>>60029576
>Unicorn Gundam
What?

>>60029576
dont buy corsair ram with ryzen buy g.skill trident they work much better with ryzen.
also if you want to game on a wlan card get the Asus PCE-AC56 Its a bit expensive for a wlan card but I had t he same wlan card you want to buy and I had fucking ping spikes all day, when I changed to this one it stoped

>>60029603
it would prob be better but i think you have to buy a am4 bracket for it

>>60029602
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XhZQ9W

here i adjusted your build a little bit

>>60029615
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikyo2JKRwzc

>>60024683

I have questions regarding racks.

1) So let's see if I get this, an external 3.5" rack will allow me to turn my old regular hdd from my PC into an external hdd right? The rack doesn't require a special hdd or any other stuff?

2) Why the hell do internal racks exist? I can just mount my hdd in the case.

3) Why the fuck are 3.5" racks twice more expensive than 2.5" racks? The components are identical, a SATA-USB and another USB for power.

4) Why the hell do 2.5" racks even exist? 2.5" hdd are very rare as separate components. Do laptop owners repurpose their 2.5" hdds that often?

5) How does a singular external rack cool the hdd?

>>60029631
was looking on it to complete the >>60029653
effect, does its RGB work well?

>>60029683
you might want to use a Mortar Arctic

>>60029584
If you're going 4k, it's pretty stupid to not go 1600/1700X.

>>60029576
That cooler has AM4 mounts now? wtf they said they weren't making one.

>>60029595
you're retarded. That's one of the best coolers. It matches the NT-L12 with the same fan while being much smaller.

>>60029698
>It matches the NT-L12
no it doesnt you dumb shill

>>60029514
Not having a mess of unused cables hanging around or tangled at the bottom of the case. Especially useful on smaller cases or builds without many drives.

>>60029648
its my build it was my suggestion
also
> G.Skill Ripjaw
dude....we buy trident because it has samsung b ram that has the highest compability with ryzen the ripjaws don't.

> Crucial MX300 275GB M.2
rly nigga

> Seagate HDD
are you retarded ?

>RX 580 4gb
nigga... you dont buy 4gb 580 you buy the 8gb 480 and flash it to a 580 or you guy the 470 4gb and flash it to a 570 so fuck off kiddo

I know it's silly, but i find picking a case the hardest part of doing a build, once that is out of the way i find it goes quite smoothly.

>>60029726
Yes it does. Check silentpcreview, dumb shill.

>>60029788
*its NOT my build

>>60029790
Not silly.
If you're remotely technically savvy, it'll take <10 minutes to pick the best CPU, RAM, motherboard, SSD, etc for your needs.
Then it can take hours to find the right case and cooler since those are hard to define search criteria for.

>>60029788
>dude....we buy trident because it has samsung b ram that has the highest compability with ryzen the ripjaws don't.
its all compatible

>rly nigga
faster than samshit sata 3

>are you retarded ?
are you? its 2017 and in the CURRENT YEAR western digital has the highest failure rates, times change dumbass

>DUDE FLASH IT LMAO
doesn't work that way, flashing a 480 wont magically give it the ability to hit 1.5 ghz, if you plan on overclocking the 580 is the best bet right now

>>60029795
doesn't matter, its a shitty small low profile cooler, not much better then the ryzen stock cooler

if it isn't a nh-d15 or a custom loop, it isn't worth it

Alright what mousepad should I get? I used to have a steelseries qck not qck+ but I am an idiot and left it at a lan party 3 hours away. I was looking at a ZOWIE G-SR, but is there anything better I can do with my money?

>>60029850
>its all compatible
its not, not at 3000mhz

>are you? its 2017 and in the CURRENT YEAR western digital has the highest failure rates, times change dumbass
why do I know you are a 12yrs old that think backblaze statistics are viable at all... seagate is shittier.

>buy 580 cus reasons
you can get a 480 up to 1,5ghz pretty easy after flash.... also you don't oc 580s they are shit for oc because they are already oc'd 480s
AND YOU DONT BUY THE 580 AS 4gb its flatout retarded, 4/570 4gb or 4/580 8gb nothing else

>>60029734
What would you suggest then in that price range?

>>60029903
You have no clue what you're talking about. Stop trying to troll people into bad decisons with your misleading bullshit "advice".

>>60028974
More like €. I wanted the x370 because of muh phases (b350 tend to have less?)

>>60030031
Why do I even bother replying to you faggots when you ignore what I said and proceed to think that board has more phases than a b350 after I said the exact opposite?
fuck you

>>60029903
BACKBLAZE IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT NOW THAT THEY SAY SEAGATE>WD

>>60030044
No need to be butthurt. You talked about performance and I talked about power delivery being my concern.

>>60030070
>>60030107
You two are at least keeping the thread lively tonight.

>>60024683
I've got an old desktop that I'd like to resurrect in order to play CS:GO at 1920x1200 with all the bells and whistles. Current GPU is a Radeon HD 5770 (16x PCI 2.0).

Should I go cheap and try to Crossfire the HD 5770 with another, similarly ancient card? What alternatives are out there, given the age of the motherboard (MSI 790FX-GD70)?

>>60026228
>even Nvidiashills ignore the Titan Xp
Kek

>>60030133
Just throw a 100€ RX 560 in there and call it a day.

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should i pull the plug?
any way to lower the price without hitting performance too much would be blessed.

Do you guys think the 1070 or even 1080 will drop in price this year? I could get a RX 580 no but I figured I could also just wait™ for a better one that'd cost me as much. The 580 here is between 250 and 300€, so...

>>60030197
>i7 7700k
garbage

>>60030197
>i7
>WD purple
>anus

are you legitimately retarded?

>>60030197
>i7
Why do you hate money anon?

>>60030222
They'll drop when Vega comes out since Vega will beat the Titan Xp for 1080Ti cost or less.

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>>60030279
>>60030291
>>60030309
because i already have an nvidia gpu and i don't mind investing a few more shekels instead of investing money into some meme cpu which supposed to have the same power only to run into unsolvable problems and hiccups later.
also can you recommend me better alternatives in addition to your greentext?
i know WD black should last longer but im trying to cut down as possible and honestly who gives a fuck about hdd anyway.

>>60030222
No. Even if Nvidia is threatened by vega, which they are not because it looks to only be between a 1070 and 1080, after what happened last time they dropped prices they wont ever do it again because it effects how their brand is perceived. If vega somehow blows nvidia out of the water and the amd shills were right all along then it still wont go down, but we might see more frequent 'sales' to fake keeping the cost down.

>>60030366
>i already cucked myself with shitty drivers
>time to cuck myself with housfires, stuttering and deliding
ok, you are retarded, thanks for confirming anon

>>60030367
>which they are not because it looks to only be between a 1070 and 1080
<citation needed>

>>60030367
>it looks to only be between a 1070 and 1080
You have no clue what you're talking about. Shut the fuck up, no one cares about your shit opinion that has no basis in reality. You're just spouting dumb shit you heard from other dumb shits.
Even if you simply made a double sized RX580, that'd still roughly match the 1080Ti on average.

>>60030391
>>60030406
We saw it's uncapped performance at doom ultra at 4k. It performed about at that level. Also if you look at the actual chip architecture it falls around that as well. They will probably try and compete on price because the 1080 is a midrange chip being marked up at an absurd rate because it has no competition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=Iq-e1usnCiU

>>60030222
End of this year would be the usual cycle for the next Nvidia generation. Expect 1070/1080 rebrands for cheaper.

>>60030448
>uncapped
How the fuck is fiji 1.2 drivers 6 months ago, and underclocked, "uncapped"?
If you're so fucking stupid that that's what you got from that demo, you ought to kill yourself right now.

>>60030480
They have kept vsync on at every other event because it's a good way to hide performance when testing drivers. That was very clearly to show off it's performance and yes it will get better with better drivers, but it isn't going to escape a game that is basically made for amd and I am saying this as someone who is going to purchase one day 1.

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>>60030480
>>60030503
As of 2 March 2017
Vega runs at 2756.69Mpix/s
1080 ti runs at 3,451.05 Mpix/sec
I really don't have a better way to frame this for you.

>>60030175
>RX 560
You mean an Rx 460 or Rx 570?

>>60030693
>running at 344MHz

>>60030759
Looks to be a glitch in the tool. AMD making a pact with Satan himself I don't think would be able to pull that off.

>>60030794
It does make me question whether the results are representative, though.

>>60030821
Well they are not absolute, but it's consistent with what we have seen previously in ashes of the singularity, doom and battlefront. Probably even some improvement since this has gone on because it now looks like it might be closer to a 1080 level as they have ironed out bugs.
I guess you could say that amd deliberately leaked this with a low clockspeed because their card really is that good and will become the 8800 of the new generation, but I doubt they can pull that rabbit out right now.

>>60030693
>clocked at 344MHz
>better than 95.99% ranked results

G O D G P U

>>60030693
It's my understanding that that result was running at either 1000 or 1200 MHz.

The consumer card is likely to be clocked at about 1580-1650MHz

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4rdbf8

As silent as possible build. Tear my boipucci apart.

If I get a b350 tomahawk for a ryzen upgrade, will I also need new ram? Have ddr3.

>>60030998
Yes

Do I wait for R3, Zen APUs or longer if I want a <$200 cpu+gpu+psu+mobo combo (can be igpu) that's better than my current 2011 $200 build?
How long do you reckon it will be?

Side question:
Why are low-end computer parts getting more expensive for the power they provide, only being better in meme parameters like power usage and heat generation?

>>60031118
Yes. Wait for zen APUs for that.
I don't think R3s will be worth buying just like the 1400 isn't really.

Might have to stretch your budget to $300-$350, though.

>Why are low-end computer parts getting more expensive for the power they provide, only being better in meme parameters like power usage and heat generation?
Die shrinking is adding more cost when it historically reduced costs.

>>60031141
>Might have to stretch your budget to $300-$350, though
Why $300-$350? I know I'll have to get ddr4 but that's just extra $30. Plus ~$35 for a PSU that still leaves >$100 for apu+mobo, not good enough?

Oh wait, as I type that I remembered apus need very good ram to perform well... shit.

Think I'll just pass this gen and try again in 3-4 years.
Nothing's concluded yet - will be on a lookout to see the prices and performance of new APUs and only decide then.

Thanks!

>>60031225
yeah no these'll be way higher end. Probably $125-$250 range for the APUs.

If you want a <$200 computer you're stuck with excavator 4 core APU.

What's the best way to get frontal USB 3.1 Gen2 (SuperSpeed) with a Ryzen Mainboard right now?

seems like AMD doesn't provide it even on their X370 chipset.

>>60031246
>If you want a <$200 computer you're stuck with excavator 4 core APU
Yeah I know. But that's inferior to Athlon II with a low end HD 5000-series in terms of performance.
And that originally costed me $200 six years ago.

There's no hurry, I'll just wait.
Thanks again.

>>60031286
Unfortunately AMD motherboards do seem to be lagging behind in essential features, such as integrated wifi/bt, thunderbolt, usb 3.1

>>60024683
is there a gtx1070 that is similar in performance to a gtx1080?

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>>60024683
My temps are good but I'm curious about this "heartbeat" pattern I see from both my CPU and mobo. Pic related. The temps are still low, between 25-32c with very light load (~10 tabs Firefox, 3 concurrent VMs).

>>60031502
I forgot to post my question. What causes this heartbeat pattern of temps? Is it normal?

>>60030931
>Warning: These parts have potential issues/incompatibilities.

>G4560 + GTX 1050 Ti

HEAVEN

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Is this ok for a poorfag like me? i just play csgo and watch movies

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>>60029602
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j3BvkT
thanks. Initially, i'm just gonna go with the g4560 and see if i actually need a better cpu. Been stuck with a 2.2 ghz, so a 3.5 ghz would feel like amazing. And if i do plan on getting a better cpu i'd go with the i7 7700k. Pardon me for sounding like a retard, obviously you have your reason why your AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor is better when the g4560 has a clock of 3.5ghz. Locally speaking, your build would cost me more(alternative 2). I feel getting the liquid cooler and the ups is of importance. We could cut back on the ram too. 16gb is overkill for me. Could always upgrade in the future.

>>>60029648
Why are we getting an m.2 for my ssd? Also yours would increase the price since were replacing a 470/480 with a 580. Also Your Thermaltake x31 isn't sold locally. The closest would be the x1 x2 or x9. And they'd all increase the total price over my original casing.

Made some computers for work. Nee a video card to hide in my workstation. The work is seasonal and I spend alot of time sitting on my ass in the winter. What is the best card that will last me 3 years or so and is price/performance. I would like to run high settings but its 60 fps at most and 1080p.

Any of the AMD cards worth it?

My power supply has been emitting a strange buzz for a minute or so (then it stops) when I start my computer for the past couple days.

Should I be worried? It's a Corsair TX650M and I've been using it for about 3 years. I thought it was supposed to be reliable... should I change it ASAP? If so, what's the most reliable PSU brand these days?

>>60032387
This is the sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EihtHxvauSk

Are there any good monitors that don't tilt to the right/left?

>>60032302
Your 2nd build looks alright. But that RAM is overkill. Lots of games don't benefit from faster than 2666 or 2800.

You'd also still save by going with mATX and I don't know why you're being autistic about thinking you're suddenly going to have 4 x1 and 2 other full PCI cards to fill those ATX slots rather than only having a GPU like 99.9999% of people have.

>>60032311
RX470 4GB or RX570 4GB if the price is within 5-10%. That is almost always the best price/performance card.

What should I upgrade first, cpu or gpu?
Build is fx 8350 and r9 280x

Want to switch to ryzen 1700 or 1600x. The former costs £50 more. Is that worth it?
I was thinking of switching to ryzen and then waiting for the 1080 ti to drop in price when volta comes out.

>>60032501
And what motherboard and ram should I get with the 1700 or 1600x?
Something not too expensive that will leave a bit of OC room for when the cpu approaches upgrade time.

>>60032501
And will my cooler master 212 evo and tx 850w be okay for the new mobo? Or should I sell the cooler and just use the one that comes with ryzen?

>>60032501
Go for R7 only if you do some actual job on your PC that can benefit for it. Also take into account that the 1600X doesn't come with a cooler but the 1700 does, so that's another extra cost you have to add. Anyway I think you can reuse your 8350 cooler as long as it's using the clips and not a backplate.

>>60032501

Everyone and their mother is recommending the non x chips and a overclock. Also many people are saying the stock cooler the none x chips come with is fine for the overclock.

Only get the x chips if you are not going to bother overclocking. You are basically paying for binned chips they overclocked before sending them too you. And like >>60032548
said you dont get a stock cooler with at least some of them.

Also dont bother with the r7 line unless you do some kind of media work. Or something that eats alot of cpu.

>>60032548
It will be for general use, gaming, and some engineering/maths software. The 8350 still does fine for the software side, I mostly want to upgrade for better gaymin.

>>60032584
So the 1600. I'm just tempted to get the 1700 as it's 2 extra cores for 50 quid.

>>60032614

It always feels like that probably by design. Get it for things like media software especially video. Or math software that do large amounts of calculations.

>>60032614
If you're not that tight on budget (above 12 y/o) and actually do work on your pc there's no reason not to go for 1700

>>60032656
Not him, but the only reason I'm going for the 6 core now is so I won't be lazy once the 2800X or 3800X comes.
Just a clock speed and IPC increase might not tempt me much. But 2 cores on top of that would more. So I save more now to upgrade later.

>>60032614
if you are doing rendering/compiling or any other pro work then get the 1700, if not get the 1600

>>60032830
What motherboard and ram?

>>60032215
answer me niggers

>>60032215
>>60032901
no one gets what you're really asking.

An RX460 at minimum tends to be desirable for CSGO. The GTX 760 is super garbage.

>>60032434
I see your point about the ram. Will redo. Thanks. I'm not knowledgeable in building it from a matx part so i'm reluctant (first build). Will do more research on it. But if it does reduce the cost of my mobo and case then maybe thats whats i'll do. The pros and cons on a matx over an atx is kinda subjective thats why it's quite hard to decide. Does it have better airflow, MAYBE you'll need that extra pci slot after all and all that stuff. Again unknowledgeable, but i appreciate the advise.

>>60032656
I'm not a working professional, but I'll be studying engineering for another 3 years.
Will do some programming and use cad shit.

>>60030908
Poor Volta or bust

>>60024683
>tfw your hdd detaches from your CPU, and you have to solder it back on
iktf

Someone else make a less retarded and misinforming OP when this one ends.

>>60032852
tridentz and something asrock

is the gtx 1050ti a good card for 1080p gaming?

>>60033244
no, the rx 570/470 is better

Can I get 2133Mhz DDR4 RAM CL14 then overclock it to something decent?

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All of the parts for my first build are almost here. I'm only missing the graphics card which will be here tomorrow. I'm getting nervous and i think I'll fuck something up. Any advice or go to videos to help me? I basically have no clue what I'm doing. Here is my build:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wqgh8K

'bout 20 minutes left on it
anyone interested in a sapphire 4gb rx 460 for under 70$?
its at 63 now with 20 minutes left until it sells on ebay
pretty light use, bought a 280x like a month after i got it and never used it afterwards

noob poorfag here, I made this build 5 years ago and I now I feel like I need to upgrade this, mainly the graphics card. im leaning towards the rx 580 but im not sure how much bottleneck my current build will make, I know I can OC the 2500k but what about the ram or mobo for example? to add, that I have a corsair GS 600W will it be enough?

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>>60033674
shit forgot pic

My dad wants to upgrade from his old-ass AMD Athlon II X3 450 and Radeon HD 4000 PC, which I'm amazed is even running at this point, for just general day to day use and very occasional PC editing. His main concerns is that it should take up at little space as possible and being as cheap as possible while being very quick and being able to last for at least another 7 years.

I'm thinking about going with mITX Ryzen 3 (I know it's not released yet, he's not going to upgrade until at least this summer) and RX 560 or 550, but will the Ryzen 3 last for a long time or is it worth it to grab Ryzen 5 instead? It would be nice to grab a 6 core but I don't think it's worth paying almost twice as much for when he's just browsing the internet 90% of the time.

>>60033534
here
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zwcMd6

this would have been better

What's the fastest CPU I can get on an LGA1150 motherboard? Is it still the i7-4790k? If so, will that CPU rival a newer Kaby Lake CPU in terms of speed (obviously in terms of TDP it's no contest)?

>>60033723
Yeah thats about the best.
Its about 14% slower overall than a 7700k

Have I dun goofed?

Ryzen 1700
ASRock AB350M-HDV - mATX Motherboard
Crucial Ballistix Sport (8 GB x 2) DDR4 2400MHZ

>>60033755
no, thats a good processor choice, decent mobo, good amount of ram at the sweet spot speed

you did ight

If price is an issue is it okay to take the rx 460 for 1080p gaming or should I wait for the rx560? Or is there a nvidia alternative?

>>60033812
a cheap 460 is like a 1050
a 4gb overclocked one is like a 1050ti
its pretty good for 1080p

560 and 550 are coming out soon, 550 is basically a csgo machine, 560 is meant to be a bit more

im about to sell my 460 for 63$ on ebay and im fucking livid
oh well, i intended to give it to a friend anyway but he didnt need it

>>60033755
>Have I dun goofed?
>Ryzen 1700
>ASRock
Yes
Massively

You should have gotten an i7-7700 and a Gigabyte B250 motherboard

>>60033812
the 1050ti is loads better

>>60033755
get faster ram, and you probably don't need the 1700

>>60033871
>slightly weaker and more expensive
why?

>>60033874
>1050ti better
I'll keep that in mind while waiting for the rx560 if that one is worth it. I play mostly non AAA titles so nothing too demanding. A weaker GPU should be fine for me.

>>60033874
3200mhz?

>>60033922
3200 is good, 3000 is fine too.

>>60033940
Is there going to be a noticeable difference from the jump to 3000 from 2400?

>>60033963
Yes, 600mhz diference.
I'm talking out of my ass btw

>>60033963
yes, look at some benchmarks. costs 5 bucks if you get a good deal and you get way more frames in some games.

>>60033871
Intel is shit tho

>>60033963
The price difference is worth it - ie. you get a bigger % boost in performance than the % increase in system cost.

>>60034172
but if you already got 2400, should I just sell them and get 3200?

>>60034172
Cancelled it and got some 3200.

>>60033674
>>60033681
first get a decent cooler (like cryorig h7) and oc the shit out of 2500k (at least 4.3ghz). atm you're just wasting its potential.

then you can think about the 480/580. there shouldn't be a bottleneck, but it all depends on a game. seeing you're still on 1366x768 you'd be more than fine with rx570, unless you want to upgrade your monitor (check out freesync).

you can oc your ram (google how to do it) though it won't give you much of a noticeable difference.

your psu should handle it easily

How long until the new ryzen chips? 2700, 2800x, etc.
This time next year?

>>60033755

THIS MAN >>60033871 IS MEMEING YOU

>>60034331
google "raven ridge amd cpu"

>>60034344
Pinnacle ridge are the performance chips, not raven. That is for clueless consumers.

>>60034313
yes I also wanted to buy a new monitor, but I guess i'll change to the rx570 since the cooler will put me a bit over the budget. thanks

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Is mixing a GTX 1080Ti and a Ryzen 1700x a bad idea?

I assume there should be no issues in doing it, but I also haven't built a completely new computer in 6 years or so.

Does anyone have any objections or words of warning for my plan?
Going to OC the 1700x to 4.0Ghz so that it (almost) compares to an 1800x. Liquid cool it so that temperatures won't be an issue.

The OP also states that the R5 line is better for gayming. Is that on a pure performance standpoint, or because it's just a lot cheaper so it gives better value? I assume recommending the 1700 over the 1700x/1800x also is a matter of value?

Pic related is my current plan. RAM might not be needed since I already have 16GB of it from earlier.

>>60034593
1700 = 1700x after OC most of the time, within .1 GHz of 1800x most of the time.

As for the 1600 vs 1700, every reviewer has come to the same conclusion, the 2 extra cores do nothing for games.

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>Ryzen

What mb should I get with ryzen r5 1600?
Is this one a good buy ? http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AB350-Gaming-3-rev-10#kf

I would like the best possible, obviously, but not too expensive >~150€, also, I would like it to have multi-gpu support, since I plan to have two GPUs, a good one for gayming and a multimedia one

>>60034706
that ones good

>>60034696
>MSI X370 SLI
>gee i wonder why this happened

>>60034754
Why?

>>60034747
Thanks, I just needed some confirmation. I'm going to order it

>>60033753
>14% slower than the 7700k
wew lad fuck off shlomo

>>60034874
cuz msi's mobos have never been good

>>60034874
Shit 4 Phase VRM with shit NIKOS fets and simply doubled amount of components which is not equal to a doubled VRM.
Fun fact: all MSI AM4 mobos use the same retarded MOSFETs, even the top of the line Titanium mobo which is the most expensive AM4 mobo currently available.

>>60033708
Please respond

>>60034693
I'll probably be doing some video editing and other shit which I assume the extra cores help with. I'm also kinda of riding on the hope that with the current gen consoles having 8-core CPUs that games will start using them more.

As for the R7 line, are you telling me they are all the same? 1700/1700x/1800/1800x? No differences at all?

Now I'm no engineer, but it seems like a retarded decision to me to sell the same chip four times at different clock speeds when you could then theoretically clock the cheapest one to the same levels that the most expensive one does?

Say it aint so. I find it hard to believe a company would be this retarded.


As for my other questions, does anyone have any comments on my build and the compatibility stuff?

>>60034593
Mobo is fine, idk what you're up to but considering your budget and components i suggest you take a look a the ASRock Taichi.
If you spend such an amount, go for 3200 CL14 Samsung b-die RAM aka Trident Z.
PSU is fine but overpriced as shit, for that money you can easily get a Super Flower Leadex II, EVGA G3 or Seasonic Prime.
Case is good but overpriced, get the standard version of it, should be cheaper, or switch to Be Quiet! Silent Base 800. Also add fans, most cases only come with two preinstalled.
Corsair H110i is stupidly overkill, Ryzen isn't temperature bound, it's voltage bound. If you still want top tier cooling, get a Noctua NH-D15 SE aka AM4 edition.

>>60035034
My bad there is no Ryzen 1800

Tech noob here. completely new to /g/. I have a 650W power supply and am running a 970. There are some high graphic steam games I want to play and look nice. Should I wait for a new series of GTX to come out/ I got around 400 in the bank to spend on ONE Graphic card. I wana beable to play Identity and HELLION

>>60034979
What are good AM4 mobos?

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WX Education edition cant even dx12?? is this true? wtf

>>60035059
I guess I should've elaborated a bit on the idea of my build.

Basically, I want an almost completely silent build. I'm tired of fan noise and other shit.

I heard that the PSU is one of the most silent ones I can buy within reasonable price ranges and the fan won't start spinning until like 40% (?) load or so.
Same thing with the case, it's apparently quiet as fuck. In a fun twist of circumstances the special edition is actually cheaper for whatever reason. Can't find the alternative you provided anywhere either, so no cigar.

I know the water cooler is overkill, but I'd rather be on the safe side with the temperatures. I've got a 4690k atm with an 212 Evo that keeps the temperatures under load under 75 degrees or so. I'm going by the LTT vid on OC'ing Ryzen 7 and the temps under a 4.0ghz OC with air cooling was over 80 degrees. Rather stay on the safe side.
Also always wanted a water cooled rig. I save about 40€ by going for the Noctua which isn't that big of a deal. If I switch out other parts for cheaper ones then I will probably switch to that since the savings will be bigger.

t.
>>60035034
>>60034593

>>60035118
Where are you seeing this?

>>60033708
How much are you willing to spend?
If it's a minimum, yeah wait for r3

>>60035232
look at the web adress, microshits own HQ

>>60035118
lol
edufags btfoooo

>>60035076
1. your cpu 2. your resolution 3. how much are you willing to wait

>>60035263
Are you on Windows 10 Education right now? Open cmd and type dxdiag and see if it's 12 or just 11

>>60035255
I don't really have a set budget, we're fine with paying more if it means better performance but it's pretty pointless to pay for a bunch of horsepower he doesn't really need. If he can still use an Athlon II today that was released 7 years ago then I'd assume that a Ryzen 3 would last 7 years as well.

Have to choose between the 6700k and 7700k. I want to game at 1440p/144hz, otherwise I would get the 1700. Even if I get one of the "bad" ones, could I still oc the 7700k to ~4.8/4.9 with a noctua nh-u14s? I dont want to have to delid the 7700k but at microcenter I can get the 7700k for 300 while saving $30 on a z270 motherboard.

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I need to begin upgrading my pc. I want to start with the mobo and processor. Main use would be for games, occasionally do CAD/CAM work. What is a good mobo and processor setup that can be used along with my graphics card? Trying to stay around $300-$500

>>60035398
Then wait for the r3

>>60035470
7700k, HYPER 212, and ASUS Z270.

>>60035413
You will need to delid the 7700K in order to go beyond ~4.6 unless you live in the north pole. And if you're going to play at high refresh rates you'd better get a Ryzen for better minimum framerates if you don't want to live in stutterland

so is now a good time to buy an am4 mobo or should i wait for more bios update?

>>60035578
Nah, just wait for X299

>>60035578
The first big BIOS update already happened when Ryzen 5 was released and fixes most launch problems save it for some non-QVL memory still stuck on 2666 in some boards, the second one is expected in May.

>>60035034
Sorry to bump my own question again, but I had a quick look on AMDs site, and according to the specifications the R7 line is literally the same chip three times over.

So just to confirm, there is no drawback whatsoever to going for an R7 1700 and just OC'ing it to 4.0 ghz? Or does it have some kind of limiter that stops me from doing just that?

>>60035624
And the only difference seems to be with the power draw. I dunno if I can tweak that to be at the same levels as the 1700x/1800x?

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>>60024683
I want to build my first PC, and I have two hugely important questions
•If I can buy a 6700k for just 40€ more than the ryzen 5 1600, should I?
•What internal HDD should I buy if I want to avoid DOA scenarios?

>>60035624
You absolutely can, but there's a small chance you get a sub-par chip that tops at 3.8 or 3.9, or needs high voltages and/or water cooling to reach 4.0

Should I get the RX 580 8GB Sapphire Nitro+ or the RX 480 8GB XFX GTR?

>>60035655
Here are my options
>r5 1600
210€
>i7 6700k
258€
>r7 1700
270€

Which one should I choose?

>>60035655
>If I can buy a 6700k for just 40€ more than the ryzen 5 1600, should I?
Nope, it's not just 40€ more. You have to add an aftermarket cooler to the 6700K and take into account the higher cost of the Z270 mainboards to have the "privilege" to OC.

>>60035683
6700k.

>>60024683
whats the decent-est rig i can get for about 500 eurobucks? Greece btw.
Its the first pc i've ever done so i know fuck all about anything

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>>60035657
Hmm

Say I were to get a sub-par chip then. Would an OC of 3.8Ghz have any big impact on performance?

And what about the TDP thing mentioned here? Does it affect anything?

Pic related

Not sure if this question belongs here, but I dunno where else I should ask it.

I built a pc like a week back and the front audio port for headphones isn't playing audio in the left earbud. I reinstalled all the audio drivers and swapped out several headphones to make absolute sure that it's the headphone port. I'm 100% certain the issue is localized to the front port only. This is the case.

>https://www.amazon.com/VIVO-Micro-ATX-Computer-Gaming-CASE-V06/dp/B01GSQ2I22

The back audio port works just fine with headphones and the speakers in the monitor work fine as well. The thought of RMAing a fucking case does not sound like something I would in any way enjoy so would it be possible to fix the HD Audio port? Anyone have any suggestions?

>>60035692
>>60035701
:x

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My RAM that I ordered isn't listed on my mobo manufacter's website. Should I just ditch the Ryzen I'm planning on ordering and get an i5 CPU?

>>60035804
Yes, you'll be happier anyway.

>>60035804
I'd ditch the RAM if you already have the mobo. CPU is dependant on mobo socket. If you already have a Ryzen mobo you can't just put an Intel CPU in it.

>>60035830
I haven't ordered my mobo yet. I had just planned on having a Ryzen mobo and CPU but if the RAM is going to fuck over my CPU/mobo I don't wanna do it.
>>60035825
No shilling please.

>>60035830
How retarded do you think he is?

>>60035748
The TDP usually indicates roughly how much energy they will use with stock settings. When you OC the 1700 it will essentially draw as much power as a 1700X or 1800X (maybe a little bit more as they're lower binned parts).

And 3.8 GHz on all cores is still a 25% increase in performance for multithreaded tasks, so not bad at all.

>>60035748
Right after some more research I've come to the conclusion that the TDP thing will have literally zero impact on my rig since I'll be liquid cooling the CPU, and you can exceed the TDP thing if you just have adequate cooling.

Am I completely wrong in this regard?

>>60035925
Yeah this is roughly the same conclusion I came to. Apparently "exceeding" the TDP has no drawbacks as long as your cooling solution can handle it?


However, would this mean that the R7 1700 would run hotter at 4.0Ghz compared to the 1700x/1800x

Curious, how bad are the RAM problems for Ryzen? Is the problem that people just can't OC their RAM?

>>60035963
>"exceeding" the TDP has no drawbacks as long as your cooling solution can handle it?
Correct. Take into account quality motherboards also help with better power delivery

>this mean that the R7 1700 would run hotter at 4.0Ghz compared to the 1700x/1800x
Not exactly correct but most likely. If you win the silicon lottery you might get a 1700 that reaches 4.0 with lower voltages, but it's a very unlikely scenario.

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How to test it my PSU is failing or causing trouble? I've had 1 or two error 41s and issues with 3D graphic display.

what's a good brand for am4 mainboards?

>>60035983
afaik some mobos have problem with 3000mhz+ ram, though they're getting patched fairly quickly

>>60035034
>As for the R7 line, are you telling me they are all the same? 1700/1700x/1800/1800x? No differences at all?
Yes and no. Theoretically all can achieve 4GHz at sustainable voltages, seems it's rather dependant on silicon lottery than binning, only the 1800X really sets itself apart.
https://siliconlottery.com/collections/pga-1331

>>60035097
>B350
Gigabyte G3, Asus Prime B350-Plus, ASRock Pro4 / K4, MSI Tomahawk (4 phase VRM but still POST issue which is a no go imho).
>X370
ASRock Professional Gaming / Taichi, Asus C6H, some Gigabytes if you can live with those shit LEDs and Asus X370-Pro & ASRock X370 K4 for under 200 bucks.

>>60035218
>Basically, I want an almost completely silent build. I'm tired of fan noise and other shit.
In that case stay away from AIO, they are louder than air coolers due to fans AND water pump.
>the fan won't start spinning until like 40% (?) load or so
Many PSUs already have some hybrid/eco/silent mode, inlcuding the 3 mentioned ones with the Seasonic Prime being the most silent.
Just get the NH-D15 AM4 edition. It offers excellent cooling and competes with AIO solutions, it's quiet and easy to install and maintain, also will never leak anything on your parts.

>>60036220
Not the person you are replying to but how good is the MSI PC MATE B350?

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>>60024683
the OP image is me rn
someone please tell me i fucked up before blowing 2 grand on this

>>60036244
Basically the same as the MSI Tomahawk without the bling bling, no idea if it also has the POST bug.

>>60036291
Your case is like $90 too expensive
Get a SSD instead of a SSHD
You could probably drop to a 650w PSU
That ram is $30 too expensive for the speed
Get a i7 or a Ryzen instead.
Your cooler is also too expensive, the H7 will do just as fine unless you're overclocking a 7700k

here's a sale for all you poorfags who want an RX 480 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MU0OIN5/

ASUS Dual RX 480 8GB - $130

from /r/buildapcsales

>>60035854
Going off of the average poster lately, I think it was a safe assumption to make.

>>60035847
I'd still stick with Ryzen and rework the RAM. What kind did you get anyways?

>>60036220
In terms of cooling performance, I assume the liquid cooling is more effective. As I mentioned earlier, the price difference between the Corsair H110i and the NH-D15 is negligible.
Seeing how I am going to be heavily overclocking an R7 1700 with the updated build I'm worried that the air cooled fan will either be running at high RPM constantly or that it won't cool enough.

But then again, my current 4690k is heavily overclocked with an 212 EVO and has no issues with either thermals or noise.

Also the seasonic prime is a lot more expensive here and the other options aren't available.

>>60036446
16GB (2x8GB) Ripjaws V 2400hz

>>60036384
whats wrong with an SSHD?
SSDs have limited writes and i don't want to buy a new one every 3 years

the case is just personal preference

650W? cool

There's a cheaper dual channel 16gb 2400 RGB TridentZ?

Not spending $100 more for hyperthreading

The cooler is just aesthetic preference as well

>>60036462
A Noctua NH-D15 WILL run the CPU cool enough and also quiet enough, this thing is easily the best dualy tower HSF on the market and as i said it competes with expensive AIOs.
What you seem to forget is that if you get a 240 or 360 mm radiator you have two fans on it, usually shit fans and you additionally need a water pump which is usually loud as shit.
Really can't recommend an AIO for silent systems.

>>60036469
nevermind PC gaming is dead

>>60036469
SSD plus a HDD is better and faster. A typical SSD will last 6-8 years unless you write hundreds of GB a day, and a plain HDD is cheaper per GB.

There are many cheaper cases that offer the same quality.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3CdFf7/gskill-ripjaws-v-series-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-f4-3000c15d-16gvkb

If you're using a 1080 you're probably going to want hyperthreading unless you're just at 60 fps.

And it's not worth paying an extra 40 just for a nice cooler.

>>60036469
>SSDs have limited writes and i don't want to buy a new one every 3 years
i think you dropped a 0 there, with modern ssd you'll need 30+ years to kill it. either way any ssd is going to outlive a hdd.

i5s are pretty much obsolete now that ryzen r5 is out. also it's cheaper (no need for cooler and cheaper mobos)

you should go for faster (3000(+)mhz) ram anyway

Is a 520w psu enough for a r5 1600 and rx 580 build if I plan to OC both of them?

>>60036541
Thanks for the information. I've put the Noctua on my list as an alternative cooling solution and I'll consider it before I make my final choice.

Thanks!

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>>60036466
>>60036446
P-please respond ;_;

How is the asus B350 prime mAtx mobo?

Considering upgrading from my 4690k, but I don't want to buy a new case just to fit an ATX board. It's the only mATX case that you can bundle @ microcenter. I know the gigabyte gaming 3 is better, but it's ATX and therefore won't fit.

Also, would it be better to just get a 4790k cheap used somewhere for now? I'm sure games will catch up in two years, but won't 4790k be better than 1700X for gaming RIGHT NOW?

>>60036925
You're fine dude

>>60036679
I'm not buying AMD they have almost none of the good features Intel systems do. The AMD motherboards are garbage with garbage chips and garbage components with garbage features. It's caveman shit.

>>60036937
>4790k cheap used

Where? They are still $300 USED on ebay.

>>60036937
Or you could simply don't upgrade at all, your CPU is still fine and you'd also need to get new RAM. I don't see the benefit of this.

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Did i fucl it up? I thought i just had to pull it out

>>60037136
said by the retard who thinks ssd have to be replaced every 3 years
fuck off to >>>/v/ and don't come back

>>60037302
disillusion poorfag it's not my fault Intel products are being associated and labeled as gaming but it would be my fault if I stayed silent while you shilled chinkshit on here that has absolutely the most minimal amount of support in the PC hardware market. Many of the chipsets and drivers that bring us all the goodies from PC are developed for Intel system, audio, LAN, etc, etc are far superior in Intel boards than in AMD. You can compare all the features these devices have an clearly see that by buying AMD you will have an inferior product. Oh and AMD drivers LMAO

Could you guys help me with choosing parts? I've got 880$ and will be mainly using photoshop for drawing in higher resolution, maybe playing gta v or doom from time to time. Also, if that helps, i'm living in poland. Thanks in advance

>>60037373
miniITX 1150 i3 system with a 750ti gpu buy it off newegg open box and on sale

>>60037367
shill or a bait? who knows.

>>60037280
Yes you completely fucked up, that mobo is done. GPU could be damaged, check the PCI pins on it.

>>60037413
>AMD is less popular so it's the patrician choice hurrrr

fuck off faggot you don't have to be a shill to know Intel>AMD go be a unique somewhere else

FUCK i forgot that i had to unlock the gpu so i just rippef it out now my pcie x16 slot is fucked up, do i need to replace my whole motherboard?

>>60037302
SSDs do lose their edge after reformatting a couple times mines collecting dust somewhere

>>60037146

Microcenter has them for 279$ new.

>>60037161

Is it really? I'm getting close to 100% CPU usage in PUBG and BF1.