/pcbg/ - PC Building General

First for build advice. Need sum halp on this build.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZKZff8

>>60004686
>2 1080Ti's
>AMD glass
hmmm

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JNx6Fd

Can anyone suggest ways to improve this build or make it cheaper? Its for workstation purposes (music production). I play vidya also but just gonna use integrated graphics till I save up for a good graphics card later. I'm from UK and my budget is 300.

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What's the highest premium you'd pay for G-sync on a monitor? +100? More?

Missed out on the $300 1440p 144hz Gsync Dell that was up a week ago and everything comparable is depressing to imagine shelling out for.

Did anyone else buy the XFX GTR RX 480? If you look on that back of the box and read the little promotional things it looks like they left editors notes in some of them? I'm not home to take a picture but there were things in parentheses talking about how they could use different words or that this sentence may have sounded better.

The card is fucking amazing but they've obviously done some weird shit when it comes to editing the packaging.

>>60004720
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZKZff8
A 4GB 580? Go with the 8GB if you're going for that level.

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>>60004686
Newegg has a whole bunch of these combo deals with the MSI B350M Gaming PRO motherboard in it but I've been hearing it's a bad choice for some reason. Why is that?

>>60004720
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RsvW8K

>>60004767
>https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JNx6Fd
make it compatible. b250 mobo

>>60004802
g-sync is a scam

t. 1080ti, 1080, 1070, 980ti owner

>>60004804
lmao find a pic. i've seen that stuff before in manuals and the like on chinese components

>>60004855
the mobo itself is fine. the 1600 is the only ryzen worth getting

How well can skylake handle 4k / h.265 playback? I have a z170 board laying around

>>60004855
Because its MSI
>>60004767
I advise you get a soundcard for music production

Is there any advantages with X370 from B350 other than SLI extra ports/satas and better onboard sound/lan cards?
Wouldn't a B350 suffice just fine for overclocking ram to 3200mhz, a Rysen 5 1600 to 3.8-4.0ghz and an rx 580?
Is going for B350 over X370 going to affect performance in any way because of the different chipset?

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poorfag here

is i5 7400 + gtx 1060 6gb a good combo?

For a ryzen build. Is it really worth it to go for ddr4 3200 ram instead of 3000 ?

>>60005117
>i5 7400
Why not just go with Ryzen 5 1500X?

>>60005146
no
>>60005133
not bad
>>60005154
i5 7400 wins in gaming
>>60005092
nah go B350
>>60005117
RX 480/580 is usually cheaper and almost as good

>>60005146
That's what amd said. Is 200mhz difference alot? No. Will getting that increase your performance? Yes. Is the price gap worth it? Depending on your country, if price gap <15$ for 2x8GB go for 3200

>>60005154
i just checked and for some reason i can't find it anywhere in my third world country, not gonna buy from somewhere else, ends up being more expensive

anyways, is it a good combo?

>>60005220
for casual shit it probably won't be worth it then.

I need good looking ITX case
Airflow is not a big factor, I'm not using a graphics card nor am I dealing with higher that 45W TDP (It's an ASRock Xeon E3-1585L v5 motherboard).
Any suggestions?

1060 + i5 7500
or
rx480 + 1500x ?

without memes, please

What's the current r5 approved ram?

Are the e-die Samsung chips still the one to get?

>my 7850 just died
>1060 is too shitty to do anything
>1070 is too expensive and I can't jump from 60hz/1080p anyways
>I can't trust AMD ever again

Fucking hell

>>60005316
rx580 + 1600

>>60005325
>approved ram
its all the same shit aside from MHz and GB

>>60005331
>product last 6 years
>cant trust its manufacturer

Atleast be me who got a DOA 770

>>60005368
Too expensive, does not fit my budget

>rx 570 power consumption

wtf did they do that it's so much higher than the 470? I thought it would be more efficient. What the heck.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/RX_570_Pulse/28.html

>>60005316
>1060 + i5 7500

>>60005378
480 for $175 and i5 7500

1060 6gb > 480 8gb

>>60005375
Well, since everything looks better now using shitty integrated intel 4000 I'm fucking over with AMD forever

Anyways I'm fucked up to 2070 GTx I guess

>>60005117
just get a gtx 1060 3gb and maybe a better cpu?

>>60005375
>>cant trust its manufacturer

probably wasn't even an oem card

my bfg 9800gtx died after about 6 years too, can never trust nvidia again

Should i upgrade my i5 6500 non k cpu to an i7 or should i just get ryzen instead?

Also how the fuck do i store an old CPU.

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>>60005286
my thermaltake case is small and comfy. fits my 750ti well as a bonus

>>60005154
>>60005214
>>60005423
i could get better stuff for cheap, etc, i don't care

just tell me if it's a good combination

>>60005472
suck my dick bitch

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>>60005484

>>60005472
Why are you asking here if you dont care for input on the component choices? Just purchase whatever you want and pray for a decent outcome.

Fuck me I just realized newegg was US based and have huge international shipping costs. You guys know any good UK based ones? Their prices were far better too.

>>60005448
Ryzen will last you longer. Go for a R5 1600, 2x8gb 3200mhz RAM, rx 580 8gb or wait for Vega and B350 motherboard if you're on a budget. Otherwise if you just want absolute best performance in gaming on the 4-core model that will be replaced by 6-core utilization from games just getting better and better you could pickup i7-7700k and just stay with that until games start performing better on 6-core systems.

>>60005472
NAH XD

>>60005562
Alright thanks man.

Best b350 board? Thinking getting a gaming 3? More SATA 3 ports than the tomahawk. Cheaper also in my country

>>60005543
i thought people would reply
>it's good
>it's not good

Best budget motherboard to go with a r5 1600 + rx580?

Are there any graphics cards under $100 that are better than a 7970? If not, what's the cheapest better card?

>>60005701
1050ti is the best

>>60005675
You can get any B350, i haven't heard any anons complain about any of them so just get the cheapest in your country. If on tight budged mATX ones are fine too they pretty much do the same job just less ports just think what you'll be using in the next couple of years in terms of peripherals and choose apropriately.

>>60005675
GIGABYTE GA-AB350-GAMING 3

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Is there any real benefit to spending $50-75 more on a motherboard? I see Z270's going for anywhere between $125 on sale to $220 and can't imagine the purpose behind that much hardware. I guess it helps with overclocking, but it can't be worth that much, surely?

>>60004720
Can drop to 4GB 570
Can drop to 4c / 8t AMD CPU if just gaming
Try to get 2933MHz RAM and a board that is compatible.
Consider m.2 as a boot drive for simplicity and form factor
23-25" monitor. If you're getting 60Hz, just buy used. You can easily get them for $50. Otherwise get 80+Hz and Freesync

Thoughts on this build for a htpc? I'm open to suggestions: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xhrVTH
I might add a gpu in the future.

>>60005865
doesnt help with overclocking. just more flashy. get the cheapest Z270 you can find, not ASUS, and you'll be fine

>>60004855
>>60004899
No this mobo is NOT fine, it's trash, see >>60005730
This is only ok if you don't want to OC, like at all.

>>60005913
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xhrVTH
120GB ssd is too small go for 250GB.
Consider investing on a 550W PSU over 450W in case you upgrade/add components in the future.
Rest looks good.

>>60005913
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xhrVTH
Too voluminous. HTPC should be small like m-ITX
Consider m.2 for form factor and convenience

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>>60004843
I heard all you need is 4GB for 1080p gaming though.
>>60004892
Why the Gigabyte motherboard? And the SeaSonic PSU as well. It's semi-modular, not fully modular.
>Corsair keyboard with gaymur RGB lighting and meme switches
For what reason?
>>60005906
Why the 570 over the 580? And why 4 cores? Isn't 8 cores better for multitasking and future proofing since I plan to have this PC for a while?
>Try to get 2933MHz RAM and a board that is compatible.
Which RAM/mobo combo would you recommend?
>Consider m.2 as a boot drive for simplicity and form factor
But m.2 SSDs are more expensive.
> If you're getting 60Hz, just buy used
Why would I get a used monitor though? And why would I need a 25" monitor?

>>60006344
>Why the 570 over the 580?
A budget balancing option. 4GB 570 is almost same perf but costs less
>And why 4 cores? Isn't 8 cores...
The pcpartpicer link has a six core, but gaming doesn't really benefit proportionally from more. If you ever need more you will feel like you can actually upgrade (and by that time better Zen CPUs will be out). Anyway the 4C / 8T CPUs can max out the 580/1060 tier cards
>Which RAM/mobo combo would you recommend?
Honestly not sure, depends on your needs and research. You'll have to do some reading to make sure you can get the RAM working. In general I'd try to get 3000MHz RAM and run it at 2933
>But m.2 SSDs are more expensive
Slightly, but much less dangle-y
>Why would I get a used monitor though
Much cheaper, as good as new, and I like the idea of reusing perfectly good things instead of being a consumer whore
You don't need 25" (mine is 23"), but 21.5" is too small. Also there's refresh rate / Adaptive sync considerations

Do micro motherboards have any significant disadvantages vs a standard one?

>>60006344
23-25" is the sweet spot for 1080p viewing at typical desktop viewing ranges. Anything smaller is cramped/sacrifices viewing ability and anything larger is too grainy and blown up.

Personally I wouldn't buy a used monitor. There are plenty of 1080p@60hz monitors for sale (new) for very cheap prices.

If you're trying to play the newest games, 4c/8t is getting maxed out on the ritzier titles and the trend will likely continue for the next couple of years. If you play older games or toaster friendly stuff then you'll be fine.

>>60006973
Depends on chipset and a few other considerations, but not usually anything significant unless that particular thing was relevant to your particular use

>>60006675
>4GB 570 is almost same perf but costs less
If it's the same perf then why does the 4GB 580 have higher clocks?
> gaming doesn't really benefit proportionally from more
I know it doesn't, but it helps multi-tasking, which is ultimately what I will need on a gaming rig. I can see the argument for a 1500X though. I just have heard that the best price/perf R5 is the 1600.
>but much less dangle-y
What do you mean by this?
>as good as new
How so? The whole point of buying something used is that it isn't new.
>I like the idea of reusing perfectly good things instead of being a consumer whore
Then that's your bias.
>but 21.5" is too small
Why is 21.5" too small?
>>60006981
>If you're trying to play the newest games, 4c/8t is getting maxed out on the ritzier titles
So I should get a 6c/12t CPU then?

What's the recommended way to pirate windows again?
I remember hearing something about using the official download then....theres a keygen or something?

>>60007250
For Windows 10:

Just download the ISO off their site, its full windows 10 except its not activated but it works fine regardless.

>>60006973

Mainly less ram slots (often only 2 vs 4 of ATX), weaker vrms (only relevant for thirsty chips and overclockers) and less pcie (lol sli/crossfire).

It matters a tad more for ryzen given how it gets some of its lanes for M.2 but for the most part if you aren't overclocking and go for dense ram micro is just as good as ATX.

>>60007332

Only because MS would rather you pirate/not activate windows than migrate to other operating systems. It is why windows basically just werks™ even when not activated.

>>60007035
>If it's the same perf then why does the 4GB 580 have higher clocks?
GPU performance is mostly based on number of cores (they can have thousands), not on clockspeeds, although of course the metric matters. I said "almost the same", which means that you can get a certain "tier" of performance for cheaper.

>>60007035
>it helps multi-tasking, which is ultimately what I will need on a gaming rig.
Not unless you want to have two games open at the same time or something. I'm gaming and on 4chan with an FX6350 right now.

>>60006981
>If you're trying to play the newest games, 4c/8t is getting maxed out on the ritzier titles and the trend will likely continue for the next couple of years.
Not really, most titles can be comfortably played on a G4560, which is a 2C / 4T CPU with a relatively low clockspeed.

>>60007380
>Not really, most titles can be comfortably played on a G4560, which is a 2C / 4T CPU with a relatively low clockspeed.
Of course they can, but that's not what I said. If he wants to play the more computationally expensive AAA games he wont be able to keep up on a 2c/4t or event a 4c/8t processor in a couple years.

>>60007380
>which means that you can get a certain "tier" of performance for cheaper.
Then why not get one of the $230 RX 580 8GB models for the better bins and more VRAM?
>Not unless you want to have two games open at the same time or something
Yes but more and more games will start using more cores, making it able to last longer. This why the i5 is on its last legs IIRC.
>Not really, most titles can be comfortably played on a G4560
AHAHAHAHA. Not even that anon but that is such a blatant lie its fucking hilarious.

>>60007485
In that case you're making an assertion about the future that is COMPLETELY unfounded. A 4c/8t CPU has twice the multithreaded performance of a 2c/4t CPU from the same family and at similar clockspeeds. Games currently run fine-to-well on a 2c/4t, so are you really saying that suddenly games will change to needing twice the CPU grunt to be playable? Especially consider Intel's performance creep, CPU requirements aren't skyrocketing anytime soon. Consoles only have eight threads, so I'm sure that'll be the magic number of threads for a while.

>>60007753

>background tasks don't exist, cpu cycles are free!

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zBYJHN

how's my build

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>>60007591
>>Not really, most titles can be comfortably played on a G4560
>AHAHAHAHA. Not even that anon but that is such a blatant lie its fucking hilarious.
You're so stupid it's hilarious.. prattling on the internet about things you don't know. 60+FPS is the usual with a G4560.

This chart doesn't have a G4560 but it will be above the i3-4330 (which always holds a minimum of 60+FPS) because it's on a newer uarch and process, and they are the same speed. One example of many.

>>60007802
>I make irrelevant and nonsensical comments!

which PSU should i choose:
>EVGA SuperNOVA NEX
>EVGA SuperNOVA G2
>EVGA SuperNOVA GS
it would be 650W. from what i've read i choose G2

>>60007907
>>60007867
Read it and weep retard

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>>60007885
>>60007930
Why did you doublepost?

>>60007867

>>I make irrelevant and nonsensical comments!

Yes because a "clean" review environment is the same as a typical system for everday use.

>>60007867
Thanks, you just proved how moronic you are. Stay fucking retarded.

>>60007895
or basically is the GS as good as the G2? i want to save $10-20.

>>60007947
Now you fucking triplepost, the fuck is wrong with you?

What's the most destitute rig that will allow me to play games like Payday 2, Borderlands 2, Monster Hunter, and Dark Souls?

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>>60007867
Thanks, you just proved how moronic you are. Stay fucking retarded.

>>60007999
Look up the benchmarks for Payday 2 and Dark Souls. I don't think Monster Hunter is on PC m8, too lazy to search though

>>60007972

Whatever jonnyguru suggests.

I done a thing, /pcbg/. Tell me what I fucked up.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/K8TJHN

>>60007972
>G2
https://forums.evga.com/Serious-Problem-with-EVGA-Supernova-G2-PSU-m2344430.aspx

>>60008191
i've heard bad things about MSI mobos, looks okay otherwise.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HNnLBP
Hey guys, any improvment i can make without raising the price or any cheaper performanceless change?

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Aiming for 4K@60, having 290X.
Should I try something like this
<- adapter or surrender and look for a replacement card?
This one goes balls to the wall already at 4K@30 easily to 60+dB and I have no sentimental attachment to a circuit board nor the brand.

>>60008344
Hm. Had heard it was the ATX tomahawk that was the shitter and the mortar was bueno. Seems like all the mATX boards are a bit of a lottery desu. Got a friend who's had his 1600 running at 3.9 on stock cooling for a week or two on that thing without issue, and it was one of the few with a decent QVL so I could be fairly confident my RAM will run at rated speed. Might be shit but for the price I figured I'd take a punt. Not sure I buy the conventional wisdom to go with the Asrocks given they are/were being offered at a discount for reviews.

Reassuring there's no major fuck-ups in the rest. Thanks.

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I want a 4k monitor down the line, maybe a year from now. Y'know.

Would the better investment be the RX580 4gb, or the 8gb version?

Theres an 80 dollar price difference between them here.

>>60008675
Neither are going to cut it at 4K, especially a year from now. If you're currently at 1080p get a card that meets your needs now and stash the dollardoos to put toward an upgrade when you go 4K.

>>60004686
two fucking titans
and minecraft

I feel the rage of a million stallmans right now

>>60008705
That's kinda what i was thinking with the announcement of vega.

I'll put my autism away for now.

>Ram is approaching a 100% increase in price since last year

Someone redpill me on getting used monitors? What is the upside? Should I do it to save money on my monitor?

>turn resolution to 4k
>all huds become tiny

How to prevent this? Or do I have to set scaling in windows?

>>60008801
Why not?
You get to check for dead pixels before you buy it.

>>60008839
I meant more so ordering shit used online.

>>60008801
Depends on the monitor you want. 1080p 60Hz is a dime a dozen

>>60008745
I don't think the percentage rise is that much, but scary I know. It's made me hold off on a SSD purchase

>>60008675
Get the 4GB if you do get one of those cards

>>60008359
Needs SSD.. probably a better idea to cut down on graphics and/or CPU to afford one.
If you want to keep that money much allocated to the CPU/platform, consider the R5 1500X and an AM4 mobo. About the same price, better upgrade path, so cheaper in the long run.

Get 2400MHz RAM if you stay with that Intel config

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Am I safe to pull the trigger on a $260 XG2401? I'm out of patience waiting for a 1080p 144hz Freesync monitor to go on sale and would like to pick it up.
Am I missing something better in a similar cheaper price range?

best motherboard for overclocking an 1600? Also perferably mini atx.

>>60004855
Because it's the shitty version of the tomahawk
Taichi is still best Ryzen

>>60005316
I'm debating this myself, except with a 1600 except for a 1500x

What happened to ">i5 is worthless" from the last OP? Was there even any truth to that?

Hey can someone tell me if this Build is good? im only looking to spend around 2000$, not counting the OS. it'll be used for high end gaming and video editing. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JVGqyf

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>>60008938
It's around 75%, which is pretty close to 100%, in a couple of months it'll probably be at 100%.

Really hope some store is retarded enough to put some 3200mhz memory on sale during the summer sales.

>>60009270
this is the intel shill version of /pcbg/, if you couldn't tell.

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I'm in the 3rd world. Prices are fucked, I can't afford an SSD, nor could I find any non-chink case. Otherwise, how does this look?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9z7XGf

>>60006981
>23-25" is the sweet spot for 1080p viewing at typical desktop viewing ranges. Anything smaller is cramped/sacrifices viewing ability and anything larger is too grainy and blown up.
I highly disagree with this.

I have a 1920x1200 at arms length away. 24". It can easily make out the pixels. You must have bad eyes of you think "typical desktop viewing ranges" is even further than that.

I'd say around 115-135 PPI is the minimal. But yes, you'll have to DPI scale there. 25" 1080p is like.. 80PPI?

>>60008809
Welcome to 4k, enjoy your stay.

You fell for the meme.

>>60007867
G4560 is a great CPU for the price.
It's however not even fucking close to "all you need for 60fps minimum in every game". Not even close.
Don't cherry pick one highly optimized game in single player to try and bullshit.

>>60009816
not my fault you have a shit monitor LMAO

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Looking at pairing this board with an r7-1700. Board will be $30 after bundle deal. Idea is to make a powerful and compact build.

Anything bad about it I should know of? The full ATX version of this board seems to be getting great reviews.

As a note, I don't intend to overclock the hell out of my 1700. If I can swing 3.5ghz on all 16 threads, I'll be happy.

>>60009412
get an i5 7500 and ASUS Geforce GTX 1060 since electricity is rare for you

is this good? im upgrading from [email protected] and nvidia gtx285


$102 mobo: Open Box: GIGABYTE GA-Z170XP-SLI
$65 cpu: g4560
$189 gpu: sapphire nitro rx480 4gb
$107 ram: mushkin 16gb ddr4 3000mhz
$59 psu: corsair cx-m 550
$84 ssd: 250gb wd blue
$199 screen: Acer XF240H 24" 144hz tn

might be crossfiring in the future

>>60009968
>that cpu

Why? Get a cheaper motherboard, and you can't even use that ram with your CPU.

>>60009968
Just get a 1050 ti if you're poor. RX series is garbage. Get a G-sync with your savings.

>>60009990
probably going to upgrade cpu to coffeelake and make a cheap g4560 build for my elderly mother later

>>60009993
i feel like ur shilling also the monitor is freesync, not that i care about any of that sync shit. i just want lots of frams in tribes ascend and the ability to play fallout and gears and all that new bullshit...my current pc can barely run gta v

Should I get an RX 480 8GB? And if so, which brand? Or does it not matter and I should just get whatever is most visually appealing?

>>60010128
Get an 580 8GB instead, its virtually the same card but its a bit more powerful, and costs nearly the same.

When is the best time to upgrade? And should I go for a 580, or hop on a 480 deal?

>>60010047
coffeelake may use a different socket

Why are there no fractal arc mini r2's around?

>>60010143
>>60010128
Sorry, meant thw RX 580, not the 480

it would be real stupid for them to change sockets randomly on such similar arch

>>60010047
Spending less on an already budget computer just so you can spend more on gsync is probably the worst idea I have ever seen posted in /pcbg/.

>>60010198
Oh, well. Don't buy Asus. XFX 480s were the best so you can buy one of those, and Sapphire is usually pretty good, MSI is also a good brand. Really just get whichever one isnt Asus and is cheap.

>>60005448
Pretty much just get some of that anti static foam and keep it out of humidity.

>>60010265
What about pricing? Because there are the $230 ones, the $260 ones, and the $280 ones. So which one is the best price/performance?

>>60010308
The $230 dollar ones, pre-overclocked cards are a meme.

>>60010366
Is it safe to assume you can overclock a card straight to the levels that a pre-overclocked card is at?

>>60010381
Yes, sometimes you can even OC a bit further than that.

>>60010366
They aren't just "pre overclocked"
They have better coolers, better dies, and generally a better PCB.

You aren't getting your Gigabyte Windforce to 1520MHz+.

>>60010381
No. That anon doesn't know what he's talking about. You try flashing a reference RX480 BIOS to one of the RX580 cards, for example, and it can't handle the clocks.
The high end RX580s will overclock higher.

It depends what you're getting it for. For 1440p, the more expensive RX580s are worth it. For 1080p, any RX580 is generally overkill.

>>60010366
There are no XFX $230 cards (there is only a Gigabyte, PowerColor, and Sapphire card). Should I just fork over the $260 for the XFX card then?

>>60010421
>any RX580 is generally overkill
How so?

>>60010421
I think he's comparing two otherwise identical cards. Like, they're selling a ButtCard, but then they're also selling a ButtCard: Titties Edition. Spending 40 extra bucks for the Titties Edition is a waste of money.

I don't know if that's actually what he means, or if that's even a common thing, but it makes sense to me.

>>60010437
Yeah i'd get it.

>>60010453
Because even in an Nvidia favored game like GTA5, it still gets over 90fps average?
I should have said for 1080p 60fps, but still.
Anyway, the RX580 8GB is more of a 1440p card.

>>60010463
Both are selling two versions because one uses lower binned dies, smaller coolers, and generally a worse PCB.
They are not the exact same thing at different clocks. I'm not going to argue this. Ya'll need to stop being retarded and learn how graphics cards work elsewhere if you don't want to listen.

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About 90% done with the rig. Got some NZXT Aer RGB fans coming in tomorrow to replace the stocks and still gotta order a USB 2.0 extension (my mobo only has one sadly, still a good mobo, but annoying issue nonetheless). Then i finally have built the PC of my dreams. I'd probably get another 1080 for SLI and a NZXT Kraken for that finished aesthetic look some day, but even without it, I feel proud of what I got here.

And yes I still have the plastic wrap on the windows (which now that I look at my picture, it makes it look like a spaghetti machine. It's not though. Did suprisingly well with my cable management, or decent enough at least) Currently reorganizing my room and I don't want a glaring scratch on it during the process. Shit happens.

>>60010485
What would be a good 1080p card that would still last a while then?

>>60010501
NICE GAY FUCKING RAINBOW YOU FUCKING FAGGOT

>>60010503
570/580 4gb.

>>60010536
How long will that last me approximately though?

>>60010501
>that birds nest
>moms spaghetti
dear god

>Purpose
Mostly gaming, listening to music

>Budget
~$2000 Maple Syrup bux

>Type of games played
Mostly AAA FPS games, with some MMO and RPG in there as well. Want to be able to play some indie games as well. Preferably on max or close to max settings, 1080p at 60 fps. I am coming from being a console peasant, so anything over 30fps will probably look amazing - but I might as well maximize what I can do for my budget.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/jjTBd6

>>60010503
Look for RX480 8GB on sale that aren't the low end models.
Like the XFX GTR. That one is as good or better than most of the low end RX580 8GB models.
Or look for RX570/580 4GB to drop on sale.

I don't think any of those will "last a while" if you're using a monitor that's higher than 60hz. 1060 and 480 are both similar performance to the R9 290X from 4 years ago. But they're still very sufficient for 1080p 60fps today and will be for a while.
We're looking at big jumps in performance for 4K or 144hz soon with Vega/Volta/Navi.

The best future proofing you can do is just keeping more in your pocket for an upgrade later.

An RX580 8GB is not going to be more "future proof" just because it has 8GB of VRAM. AMD cards don't shit the bed when they run out of VRAM. Its power won't keep up with upcoming large changes in architectures. But for 1080p 60 you just turn settings down on those future games that leverage the newer cards power.

>>60010551
I'd say around 4 years. AMD cards age like fine wine.

Unless you are planning on upgrading from 1080p anytime soon.

Does anyone have problems accessing the PC Partpicker website? almost every day this week I have been getting an error saying the DNS could not be found. I have tried every solution and nothing works. it's the only website that does this for me.

>>60010568
If you're getting an 8GB RX580, you should probably go 1440p.
If not, get a cheaper and less powerful card.
I'd also drop the HDD and spend a bit more for a 1TB HDD instead. ADATA or Crucial might be cheaper and better value.
And get Windows for $25 off Kinguin or something.

Looks good otherwise, though.

>>60010596
Should I got for the 4GB version? or maybe a RX470?

>I'd also drop the HDD and spend a bit more for a 1TB HDD instead.
do you mean get a 1TB SSD? will that be enough for having a bunch of games? I'm not sure how much space games take up on PC, though GTAV on Xbone, for example is like 80GB.

>>60010583
>wine fine
>Polaris
Not so true anymore. Whatever gains were made with the first three GCNs have been milked out thanks to DX12 and Vulkan. No matter how good drivers get for those API, there is very little room for improvement compared to the massive initial shortcoming of AMD's DX11 drivers. GCN on DX11 were at 75% of their peak optimization (due to their shitty driver overhead) and has now reached about 95% optimization for most DX11 titles. Unfortunately, due to the way that DX12 works, Polaris launched with about 90% optimization for DX12 and will likely not improve any more than that unless the game developers work out the extra gains in performance from their end.

I have a 280. I was wondering if I should upgrade now, or wait another year. Any advice?

>>60010645
>Should I got for the 4GB version? or maybe a RX470?
It depends on price/performance.
A 4GB RX470 will play almost every game at 1080p 60fps maxed. A few games you'll have to turn some settings down. And the RX570 is a bit better still.

>>60010691
GTX 280? Yes
R9 280? No. You're looking at about a 2x performance improvement with the RX580 8GB there. Wait for Vega and get that 4x-5x performance improvement.

>>60010717
My bad, I should have mentioned. Yes, I have an R9 280.

I was under the impression that Vega was meant more for high-end enthusiasts, while the 280 was a more midrange card. Is it really a replacement?

>>60010758
idk depends what you want.
Do you just want 1060p 60fps or 1440p 60fps? Then the RX570 4GB or RX580 8GB are good.

>>60010791
As far as RX 570s go, which is the best in your opinion. Not the anon you are responding to though.

>>60010758
If you get the RX "680," or whatever the midrange Vega is called, will be a great card for about ~200USD. But who knows when it will be out, and at what performance and price.

If you are still happy with your R9280 there's no reason to upgrade yet

>>60010717
So an 8GB video card will only be for the most intensive processes. and 4GB should do just fine for gaming?

>>60010791
I have a 1080p monitor at the moment. but I'm planning on getting a 1440p monitor at some point, unless 4k becomes more common before then.

>>60010866
Okay, so Vega is a replacement, then. Why was I thinking it was only high end?

>>60010936
Well any upcoming Vega part in the current Radeon lineup (500 series) will be high end only. The big chips will come out first and then the smaller, midrange ones in a later wave. Eventually all cards in AMD's lineup will be NCU like Vega

>>60010995
Okay, that's why I was confused. That makes a lot more sense. I think I'll wait for that then, thanks a bunch.

>>60010833
The Red Devil one looks good. I haven't really looked at others.
But I'd try to get an XFX GTR RX480 on sale for $190 or less instead if possible.

>>60010869
The VRAM mostly just matters in regards to how much VRAM a game uses..

>>60010866
RX600 isn't coming until next year.

Vega will be "RX Vega"

>>60004686
Is there any way I can tell if my future build will run more than 60fps before I assemble it? I am trying to figure out if I need a 60hz or 144hz monitor.

>>60011085
thank you sir

>>60011131
... benchmarks?

>>60011085
>RX600 isn't coming until next year.
>Vega will be "RX Vega"
Ok, but I'm not talking about RX Vega as midrange. That will be some later NCU arch, whether called Vega or 680 or something else I don't know

>>60011158
So I can just look up the benchmarks for the video cards I am considering and go from there?

Im really tempted to pull the trigger on rx 480 or 580 with 8gb or ram

but ideally i would like something better than that
best from amd. But not massively more costly, I could buy gtx1070 but i wont till at last vega is reveled but my guts are twisting from all the waiting. I have r9 380 2gb with is eqivalent to rx 560 2gb you can play games on that but it isnt the kind of expirience i want.

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I'm planning to upgrade from the above list to the below. Keeping my CPU cooler and case. I want the new build to be as silent as possible and will be using it for occasional gaming at 1440p 144Hz and video editing/rendering. I want the whole thing to be fast af.

My main concerns are the mobo and RAM. I want a motherboard that overclocks well, with a good BIOS and full fan controls, which won't die within 5 years and which will have good audio outputs. I can't be fucked to buy an external DAC right now. I also want to make sure that the mobo can achieve high RAM speeds to get the most of the Ryzen CPU.

Any suggestions/changes/critiques? I'm also thinking of avoiding HDD storage altogether in favor of more SSDs to keep things even quieter and faster.

I just got a new GPU installed, what programs should i use to confirm its not total shit.

its a Zotac Gtx 1080 Amp edition.

Gpu-z?

I'm planning on making a Music production pc for my sister, Any ideas on which processor to go with?

>>60011186
A monitor will last several video card generations, so you might want to decide what kind of monitor you want and then tailor the build to that.

>>60011359
great, thanks

can someone rate this build, looking for suggestions, playing wow mostly and want to stay on 500$ budget

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QtHzgL

>>60006344
You can get m.2 for roughly the same price as 2.5 ssd

>>60011480
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QtHzgL
get cheaper case
get cheaper motherboard
get 16 gb of ram
with such a weak cpu get gtx 1060 even the shitty 3gb version

>>60011480
>500$ budget
Get a job

so i havent upgraded my pc in a while and i dont know where to start now.
i7-4790k
8gb ddr 3 ram (Z97-A m-board)
rx 270x gpu

it can no longer run games maxed out at 1080p, which is what i game on but i might upgrade to a 4k screen to watch movies or what not down the line.
also on that note, is running 1080p games on a 4k screen make it look worse or will it be as shard as im used to now?
i like my 60fps gaming and i dont know if i want to get a gtx 1080ti to just to run 4k at fps.
my budget now is only 1000 dollars.

>>60010568
If its a gaming rig you should get 7700k at that price point

>>60011480
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/49bhJV
20$ more but more bang for that money

>>60011583
1060 3GB and RX570 4GB are pretty similar.
The downside is worse drivers, software, and no freesync with Nvidia so eh.

Should go with a cheaper case, too.

Any reccomendations for a good 60hz 1080p 24" monitor?

>>60011523
gee, thanks did'nt think about that

>>60011701
>good
>1080p 60hz
All 1080p 60hz suck.

What should I overclock a Ryzen 1600 to?

when did ryzen come out and when should we expect price drops?

>>60011741
Seriously tho whats stopping you?

>>60011696
You have to consider the cpu. In case of better cpu going with rx470 would be better but its 2 core 4 thread cpu we are talking about. I have benchmarks that prove pentium to be insuficient to staisfy radeon in cpu intensive game scenes.

>>60011825
What if he live outside 1st world. As i do. My whole monthly salary is about 400$.

>>60011870
Move

r8

ryzen 5 1500x
mobo MSI b350 tomahawk
rx480 8gb GIGABYTE
16gbram

>>60011917
>MSI b350 tomahawk
Check the MSI forums to see if the incredibly long post time has been solved yet.

>>60011900
Since when borders does not exist?
I thought recent trend was rather opposite with all the wall building.

>>60011917
get r5 1600
4 core ryzens are failure especially 1400 but 1500x isnt that much better

>>60011956
About 45 million americans are immigrants. Stop making excuses for having a shitty life

>>60011996
Oops. Meant to quote >>60011940

>>60011996
lol are you trolling or are you actually so deluded?

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Can someone recommend me a good power supply for a mini-itx build with a 6700k and 1080ti?

Case is a Silverstone ML07B. Right now I've got a Silverstone 450W SFX supply powering a 6700k and 1060, but I want to upgrade to a 1080ti and I'm not sure if 450W is enough. The case says it can fit SFX or SFX-L supplies.

All the reviews on newegg for the <= 600W stuff seem kind of iffy, which is why I'm turning to you guys. I don't really mind if the 450W supply commits sudoku by itself, I just don't really want to have to deal with it taking down the mobo, cpu, or graphics card along with it. I'm also willing to mildly underclock stuff if it's going to help keep thermals manageable.

My main goal is rock-solid 1080p120 in a chassis that easily fits on it's side in an under-tv console. My current 1060 does *okay*, but I have to drop the settings to medium-ish since I'm a frametime autist and get extremely triggered if I drop more than a frame or two when turning corners. Performance-wise the main game I care about is GTAV.

>>60012012
Trolling? Not at all. People use their circumstances as a crutch and never better themselves

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/2LZqgL

considering changing the CPU (and as a result the mobo). Is the i5 7600k a good pick? and if I do change it to the i5, what mobo would you recommend? this current one's reviews are looking spotty outside of pcpartpicker about BIOS chucklefuckery

What's the deal with WD Golds? Are they strictly superior to the Blacks or are they more like Reds where it's just designed for constant read/writes?

As far as i can tell:
>Blue - cheaper home desktop model
>Black - more reliable and more expensive than Blue, also for home desktops
>Green - "eco friendly"?? less power consumption I guess
>Red - for servers

So where the fuck does Gold fit? Says they're for data centers but what does that mean? And I think there's also a purple that is out there too.

>>60009993
>entry level card is better than mid level card
What did he mean by this?

>>60012041
how old are you 15? or are you simply dumb/autistic?

Is R5 gaming so bad for the foreseeable future that a 7400 would honestly be a good long term pick? I really want a 1600. only looking for 1080p 60hz anyway at present.

>>60012022
Do you have the proper pin connectors?
Then it's enough. Just undervolt the GPU.

>>60012070
You can get an RX580 8GB for $300 CAD if I'm not mistaken, so why the 1060?
>Is the i5 7600k a good pick
no

>>60012097
that for him brand loyalty is more important than performance

>>60012134
What about self improvement is so hard for you to grasp?

>>60012152
>brand loyalty is more important than performance
Welcome to /g/. Enjoy your stay

>>60012143
wat?
The 1600 is better than the 7600k for gaming. i5 are stutterfest in lots of game.

>>60005286
Are you okay with a chode-looking case like >>60005462 , or do you want something slimmer?

The chodes are made to mount a graphics card perpendicularly and usually have great airflow and no real restrictions on cpu coolers or graphics card, but, you know, chodez.

If you want something slim that can still mount a graphics card, look for a case with a "PCI riser". That's the keyword for cases that have an adapter thing so the graphics card mounts parallel to the motherboard so it can be slimmer and more likely to fit in an under-tv console etc.

If you really don't ever need a graphics card you can use more of an oversized NUC form factor. You'll be severely limited as to what CPU coolers you can use, the low profile noctua's are expensive. If you find a good quality case that has a more NUC-like form factor, please post it here since I might be interested too. Raidmax seems to make a few in that form factor but I haven't found much in the way of reviews.

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>>60012147
Not enough info on the RX 580 that I've come around, but that's just me being dumb. As for the CPU what would you suggest instead? I'd happily go with a ryzen 5 1600 to save money on both the CPU and cooler, but the i5 still has an edge in gaming and I'd rather not risk it. Also finding a mobo because fuck me finding something compatible with DDR4-3000 that doesn't conflict with the i5 is making me go insane and I don't have any previous CPUs that I could use to fetch the required drivers and solve the issue

>>60012159
What about reality is hard to grasp?
There are objective limitations to "self improvment" doesnt matter how much you will flop your fat hands you wont learn how to fly (and looking at lack of logic behind your posts i have doubts if you can even walk with out help of motorised scooter). Sure people should always try to improve but they can only improve what is in their own capability.

>just move
>sure i just voted for man who promised to throw out immigrants and build walls but so what! just move somewhere else.
faaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttttttttttttttt

Since the RX 470 Red Devil is too long for my case whats another good 470 model to choose for my build?

>>60012191
1600+rx470/570/480/580 is the best value you can get.

>>60012201
Sapphire's are okay as long as you don't plan to manually overclock them much and shit.
They even have a mITX one.

>>60012212
I know the value is great, I just said that. I want to know the specifics of how much performance I'm losing by ditching the i5 for the 1600. Both are within my budget, so what really matters is which one will get me the best performance and how much of a jump it'll be

>>60012267
depending on a game ryzen can go as low as to equal an i3 or as high as oc'd i7. You have to ask your self what are you playing and then look on reliable benchmarks but over all i think r5 (except 4 core ones) is generally beter choice than i5 even taking in to consideration uneven gaming preformance.

would the 1700x with the rx580 create a bottleneck?

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>>60012267
What are you talking about? You won't lose ANY performance. Where are you even getting that idea?
You will often get better max frames with a 7600k, but you'll get far less drops with a 1600.

>>60012309
Yes, the RX580 will obviously bottleneck it. Duh? Maybe if you play on 720p medium.

r8, goal is 1080p high/ultra minus any retarded effects like hairworks
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JwwzgL

>>60012326
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JwwzgL
take cheaper motherboard
get cheaper ram wtf did you even pick 2666 ram
if 2400 is max you can use on this platform
and ram speed doesnt matter any way unless you get to really high end gpu's.

use money you saved on upgrading 580 to 8gb model.

>>60012326
1600 with a cheaper GPU would make more sense. A 6500 can't handle 60fps in lots of games like Hitman.

>>60012075
http://hddmag.com/2016/11/western-digital-hdd-colors-explained.html

>>60012291
I should've specified what I'm planning to tackle then, my bad. I'm aiming for high end emulation (better IR, Wii U, etc) and new releases hot off the presses running at least on high at 1080p

>>60012311
it's right there in the OP. no graphs to back it up, sure, but it's all the info I got and people ITT haven't addressed it directly yet, so...

>>60012374
>western digital
wew cancer

>>60012370
>cheaper GPU
no just dont

>>60004686
This picture made me believe in antinatalism.
Thanks /g/ee

>>60012370

I'll stick with the 580. The 70 series makes minimal sense.

>>60012436

forgot to post new build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BP6rf8

>>60012212
Should I get the Pulse or the Nitro+? Is there any difference between the two?

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any reason why not buying this?
not going crossfire or anything too crazy with oc'ing.
already have a rx 480.

What gpu would you go for with this build for 1080p gaming? The rx 470 or 570 seems to be interesting but I'm a bit worried about the power draw of those gpus. Especially in idle mode.

>>60012460
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/brH2NN

forgot

r5 1600 with rx580 or gtx 1070?

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>>60004804
dug out the box, pretty funny.
didn't look twice at the box but did hear they did that.

>>60012468
dumb question gtx1070 if you have the money
>>60012460
>power draw
none issue
>>60012441
try to get few extra $ for 8gb 580. It makes quite a difference even in 1080p not many games may use over 4gb at that resolution (altho some do) but aside that ram on 8gb cards is simply faster 8gb/s vs 7gb/s it also oc better.

>>60005117

Don't get a locked i5. Either Get an R5 1500x or 1400.

>>60005133

If you are not planning on upgrading it with another 8gigs ram in the future, Get 4x2 ram.

>>60005316

Get R5 with 1060 if you have the money for Nvidia since it is a bit (10-20) more expensive.

>>60005675

If you are gonna buy a 1600, you need to OC it, don't cheap out on the mobo. Mobo is the stuff you hold on to for atleast 5-6 years. Get a flagship.

>>60004720

Since you bought a 1080/60Hz monitor, you should go with 470/570 with 4gb ram

The money you saved from downgrading your GPU can go to 2933/3200 GHZ ram

>>60004767

Get used parts. And also buy a sound card

>>60012468
1070 if they are similar in price

>>60012454

PSU is too expensive
Noctua Fans are too expensive

I assume you wanted build a budget PC since you bought an R5 and b350 combo, why are you paying premium for expensive PSU and Noctua Fans?

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>>60012535
>Get an R5 1500x or 1400.
no no no

worst ryzen recommending it to anyone should be a criminal offence

>Get 4x2 ram.

>Since you bought a 1080/60Hz monitor, you should go with 470/570 with 4gb ram
>The money you saved from downgrading your GPU can go to 2933/3200 GHZ ram

oh boy
those are some bad advice right here

>>60012547
those parts i didn't really look into i suppose, been cutting down cost elsewhere.
could just use the stock fans on the case, and maybe a lower tier psu, just want to keep modular.

>>60012517

I've gone ahead and made it an 8gb card

>>60012567
Not that anon, but would you mind explaining why?

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/7WXyTH
or
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/TXLsCy

I'm aiming for maximum frames possible within the "budget bracket" and the price difference is less than $100, so all I need now is for someone to point out if everything here checks out in both cases and which one would be ideal

WTF has happened?
Has Intel/nVidia seized this thread.
1060's and i5??? The fuck?

>>60012567

>worst ryzen recommending it to anyone should be a criminal offence

I assume the performance difference between 1500x and 1600 wouldn't be that different since they are literally same architecture and with same clock speeds, performance should be the same as long as game/app uses less than 8 threads.

>oh boy
>those are some bad advice right here

I know paying extra for ram is the worst possible performance purchase but I really don't see any reason to buy anything more than 470/570 for 1080p/60Hz gamin'.

Wouldn't it be just waste to buy more powerful cards, I see 1060 and 480/580 as an 1440p High-to-Ultra cards

>>60012588

>1060

As long as they are the same price, 1060 is not a bad purchase. It's just a preference at the same price.

>i5

As long as corelets and thier sympathizers exists, it's gonna get promoted.

>>60012495
LMAO they left in the editor notes that were in parethesis

>>60012576
>but would you mind explaining why?
r5 1400 and 1500x are under preforming its hard to recommend them once you seen actual benchmarks

>Get 4x2 ram.
limiting your self to 8gb of ram is bad choice you should avoid it unless you have no other option.

>should go with 470/570 with 4gb ram
never save on your gpu as for why its better to get 8gb vram see >>60012517

>>The money you saved from downgrading your GPU can go to 2933/3200 GHZ ram
really really bad idea. Ram speed is relevan only for high end gpus even gtx1070 wont take advantage of ram faster than 2400 leave alone 470. So he literally recommend dropping 20% of gpu preformance by going from rx 580 8gb to rx570 4gb for no gain at all.

>>60012579
>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/TXLsCy
>maximum frames possible
go with intel flip a coin on amd vs nvidia since it depend on the game
>>60012593
>, I see 1060 and 480/580 as an 1440p High-to-Ultra cards
you like playing in 30fps or in low details or both at the same time?

even 1060/580 struggle some time to get 60fps high in 1080p and you tell me they are 1440p cards.

>>60012622
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nH2VTH

How does this look then?

>>60012622
>>>The money you saved from downgrading your GPU can go to 2933/3200 GHZ ram
Linus tech tips made a video on ram speed and why it's pretty much diminishing returns at 2400 (?) or so mhz. Logical increments now also started recommending 2133 mhz ram for 570 and 580 builds.

>>60012593
also
>I assume the performance difference between 1500x and 1600 wouldn't be that different

it is different 2 more physical cores and twice as much cache memory make the difference

>>60012659
but anon that's not the intel one. this is

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/9w6rf8

don't mind the mobo change. I realized the previously picked one wouldn't fit my case. so is this the build I should roll with?

>>60005214
>i5 7400 wins in gaming
while consuming 2 times as much power and requiring deliding to not have housefire tier temps for 2 extra fps in a incredibly unrealistic scenario

what a winner

once again, read the fucking OP, the i5s are absolutely pointless

>i3 7100
>gtx 1050ti 4gb
>8gb 2133 ddr4

I'm probably just impoverished from using a laptop forever, but this thing runs smooth as fuck.

>>60012666
pretty good actually
The only thing i would change is saving few $ on power supply you dont need gold efficiency. Any silver and most bronze ones are just fine.

>>60005214

>i5 7400 wins in gaming

In a freshly installed windows with nothing but games installed in it with 1-7%...

There is no real world scenario in which i5 will be able to offer a better experience/performance than an r5.

You will alt-tab, you will have tons of programs running behind the scenes, you will listen music and etc etc.

>>60012681
>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/9w6rf8
>310$ cancuckistan dollars for a i5
wew

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/tP3yTH
this build is more powerful and $200 cheaper

>>60012667
>>60012667
>diminishing returns at 2400
that was my point saving on gpu to get better ram is one of dumbest things one can do

>>60012576
They just aren't good compared to a 1600x.
Still better than an i5-7500 and shit, but you may as well spend a few bucks more for a 1600 unless you're terrified of overclocking but can't afford the 1600X either.

>>60012611
>As long as they are the same price, 1060 is not a bad purchase. It's just a preference at the same price.
Unless they play some Nvidia focused games, it's still bad to go 1060 at the same price since Gsync is not the same price. Plus Nvidia drivers.

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>>60012719
question about the mobo since I'm not all that knowledgeable about this kinda stuff. pic related says the DDR4-3000 isn't listed, yet the geIL picked is a DDR4-3000. Aren't there any issues with this?

>>60012495
Top of the line quality control. Thanks for taking the picture when I couldn't deliver, m8.

>>60012711
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZRk9QV

So like this?

>>60012681
>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/9w6rf8
it is fine

>>60012719
stop shilling he said he want high frame rates and its obvious intel is better for that with it higher clocks and better ipc

>>60012535
What the fuck kind of advice is this?
Did you just ad lib generic advice lines and pick the nouns out of a hat?

>>60005214

>i5 7400 wins in gaming...

1500x stalemates i5 7500 which is a much higher clocked CPU, i5 7400 does not win in gaming against an r5.
>>60012740

>Gsync

He didn't mention freesync or gysnyc though. But if you can buy a freesync monitor, yea, 480 is better.

>>60012754
2933 is 3000 it's called ROUNDING

QUESTION
fucks the diff between 1400 and 1500x other than the shitty cooler and clock speed? Am I stupid or are they actually selling the same fucking physical chips for different prices?

>>60012760
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZRk9QV
looks fine to me

>>60012799
Read the fucking specs?
1400 has half the cache.
Besides that, it has trouble running faster RAM.
>Am I stupid or are they actually selling the same fucking physical chips for different prices?
Yes, you're stupid. They're binned differently.

>>60012799
1400 have half the cache memory but you shouldn't buy either of them

>>60012734
I know, I agree with you. For my initial build I had also planned for 3200mhz ram but now after seeing this I dropped it down to 2400 mhz and save like 20 bucks in return.

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>>60012765
>high framerates
surely something the i5 isnt capable of

>>60012940
now post all the other games

>>60012760
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tmk9QV

fixed it a little bit

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>>60012965
here, now fuck off shitskin

>>60012965
see: >>60012311
fucktard.

You have to be purposefully blinding yourself to not be able to see how bad i5s are.

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>>60012965
If only there more people like you i wouldn't be out of a job in a few months

>Put together the parts I'm interested in
>$1400
It's not even a spectacular build, and then there's gonna be like $50-100 in costs for modding...

>B350/X370 mobo (don't know exactly what they're gonna cost)
>r5 1600
>RX 580
>16gb ram
>600w sfx psu
>525gb ssd
>2TB 2.5" HDD
>Dark rock 3 cpu cooler
>2x silent wings 3 fans
>2x schyte slip slim fans
>Raijintek Metis
>Miscs

This is depressing, and I thought it all wouldn't come up to quite that much.

I WANT A CARD THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR 1080P THAT'S CHEAP AND SIPS POWER BECAUSE I BARELY PLAY GAMES ANYMORE ASIDE FROM THE USUAL MOBAS, BETHESDA, CIV, AND GTA. I'M CURRENTLY ON AN INTEL HD 4600. WHAT GPU SHOULD I GET?

>>60013212
RX 470 or RX 570

>>60013212
*sorry for the caps

>>60013220
These are AMD right? Will a 450W psu handle these?

>>60013220
>>60013212
That, and use wattman and "chill man", or whatever they call their stuff, and make sure your graphics card is undervoling and underclocking to play at your desirable/needed fps.

Which hardward monitor do you use?

>>60013234
>These are AMD right? Will a 450W psu handle these?
Yes

>>60004802
Don't get a gsync monitor now, its not worth it. Besides that HDMI 2.1 requires VRR so next year we should see nvidia stop being Jewish assholes and support the non vendor locked standard.

>>60012375
Graphic settings have no influence whatsoever on CPU load (except for stuff like population density in the witcher 3, but that's not really a graphics setting).

Check new reviews and decide for yourself, don't expect others to spoonfeed you. Half an hour of reading is everything it takes to gather everything you need to know.

I'd go with the R5, the performance is similar enough even in worst case scenarios, it has some benefits in some games where you need more CPU performance the most (frostbyte 3 multiplayer stuff for example) and most importantly, its more futureproof. The more coars meme has been around for a decade, I know. But the consoles that make up a giant part of the gaming market now use what's basically standard PC architectures, 8 core x86 CPUs, and it will stay like that.

>expect a pricedrop on 470s since the 570 is released
>not a damn thing happens

>>60013689
Should have got them a month a go when it was RX470s for $110-$130 and RX480 8GB for $180-$200.

>>60013730
prices are different here in yurop

>>60013749
Okay. It was 170euro or less for RX470s and 200-230euro for RX480 8GBs.

>>60013761
sounds about right, can't find rx470s for 170 euros or less though. Even looking back at the prices 1 or 2 months ago. 180-190 is better.

>>60013777
I personally saw RX470s at under 170 euro many times 2-6 weeks ago on geizhal.de or whatever

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>>60012991
>CPU TESTS
Lol typical AMDrone

>>60013834
>averages
lol

>>60013834
>MY GAYMES
>1% """""""""""faster""""""""""""" and significantly slower in everything else and more expensive

good goyim

>>60013834
yet to have refuted this >>60012311

i guess you just like stutter

>>60013834
>pay 80% more for the CPU alone
>get 10% increased performance
thank you intel, you truly are our greatest ally :^)

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>>60013880
you forgot

2x the power consumtion
2x the clockspeed

HOW CAN AMD EVEN COMPETE

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/7rxZD8
thoughts?

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>>60013845
>i5 isn't even overclocked
If they did overclock both CPU's you'll see whyzen get BTFO even harder.

>>60013880
>simalar pirced cpus
>costs 80% more
>>60013897
>2x the power consumtion
i-i-it is r-real in my mind!

>>60005555
Check pcpartpicker and set it up as UK in the top bar. It should address you to the cheapest local retailers.

Still no quality reviews for the B350 motherboards.

Alright, I absolutely need a GPU and I decided on an RX580 8GB.

Right now I have the choice between,
>SAPPHIRE AMD NITRO+ RADEON RX 580 8G 1411/1450 MHz (LIMITED EDITION) for 290€
>SAPPHIRE AMD NITRO+ RADEON RX 580 8G 1340/1411 MHz for 280€
>SAPPHIRE AMD PULSE RADEON RX 580 8G 1366 MHz for 250€

Which one /pcbg/? Reason I'm going with Sapphire is because from the reviews so far it seems like a good choice. Price-wise it's the only one that's not too retarded here in France/EU.

>>60012991
Why is Intel so fucking bad at everything

>>60014036
Pulse, all the rest are very small improvements <3%

>>60014036
If I'm not mistaken, the Pulse one is exactly like the Nitro+, just without interchangeable fans and LED lights. Maybe with slightly different clocks but nothing you can't fix with a very mild OC so I would go for that one.

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>>60013980
>dual core pentium
>within like 20 watts of a amd 8 core

now thats how i know thats bullshit

>>60014036
get the pulse and just overclock it yourself

>>60014047
because they spent the last 10 years jerking off and buying shitty startups for 20 billion each that yield no benefit for intel, bleeding billions quarterly in mobile to try and compete with qualcomm and mediatek, ect...

intel will be bankrupt by 2030 if this continues

screencap this

what fucking motherboard just werks under linux. The only one that seems to have a lot of a following is the taichi, but that's expensive.

>>60014065
You're mistaken.
Better binned GPU dies and better GPU on the Nitro+. Better cooler too, if I'm not mistaken.

If it's for 1440p, I'd definitely go with one of the higher end models like the Nitro+.

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>>60013861
Keep dreaming pal.

Charts are from Techreport.com. Where are yours from?

>>60014059
>>60014065
>>60014085
>>60014119
I'd be tempted to push my wallet and get the Nitro one if it has better quality build, especially if it's the cooler.

The page I'm at states NITRO cards have an "excellent VRAM cooler".

>>60014167
Their cooler is great, but I'm not sure about the PCB.
If XFX is still using essentially a Fury PCB for the RX580 GTR-S like they used for the RX480 GTR, I'd go with that. You know that can deliver plenty of power for overclocking. It seems most of them are capping out at 1480MHz for some strange reason, even though they theoretically should go much higher.
Similar to how it's impossible to push a 1060 over 2150MHz even though, theoretically, they should go higher.
But it seems people are getting those XFX GTR-S cards higher, I'm just not seeing a lot of results of exactly how high and what voltage yet.

>>60014125
>using Nvidia's broken driver with Ryzen
Your bullshit is too transparent. You're not fooling anyone.

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>>60014187
>b-b-but broken nvidiot drivers
>n-n-no Intel's the sutterfest!

>>60014125
>tech report
>aka buy the FX 5800

i love it that newfag children like you don't remember times when these people pulled at the most blatant straws to say nvidia/intel are better

like

>Meanwhile, rumors are flying that the follow-on to NV30, the NV35, is up and running in NVIDIA's labs and coming to market fairly soon. NVIDIA has formed a new manufacturing partnership with IBM, whose semiconductor fabrication technology is top-notch. The NV35 is expected to outperform the current Radeon 9800 Pro without the need for a Dustbuster cooling system.

tldr, wait for the FX 5800 non housefire edition i swear it exists

or

>Intel's Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 3.4GHz gave the FX-53 tough competition in much of our test suite, especially in commercial 3D rendering apps, and the P4 Prescott 3.2GHz unexpectedly pushed the FX-53 in Sphinx speech recognition, some of the SPECviewperf component tests, and picCOLOR image processing.

tldr, you need this speech recognition meme, dont buy amd goyim

completely worthless opinions and shilling through out the years, come back when you got a source that isn't known for blowing intels bollocks

>>60014227
>dx12 on Nvidia
>cherry picking
kill yourself, dumb shill.

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>can see core temps in bios
>monitoring tools can't find it
Any idea why?

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>>60014227
t. a broken game that will never get fixed

gee i wonder who's behind this post

Should I go Nvidia if it's RX 470 equivalent is cheaper in our country?

>>60014443
why wouldn't you? Choose whatever gives you your target performance for the lowest price, that's always been the sensible choice

I think my build is done unless anyone sees any crazy mistakes.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DzGLBP

>>60014547

Check if the ram is on the QVL if you want 3200mhz out of the box.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/qfRvkT
thoughts?

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Pic related for 300€, yes or no?

>>60014443
the 1060 3gb is total trash, so no

>>60014841
1070 for 300€? Probably used but fuck yes if it's from someone trustworthy.

>>60014227
>the game that can't even get 60 FPS on a GTX 1080
>relevant

>>60014841
>off brand nvidia cards
fuck no

>>60014996
at ultra, its like crysis, nothing can play it right now, a mixture of high and ultra settings gets me about 60fps on a 290x at 1440p

>>60015013
>at ultra, its like crysis
Except compared to crysis, it's just terribly optimized and doesn't even look that good.