/pcbg/ - PC Building General - 580 Launch Edition

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Just Wait™ for RX 585x2

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>7700K is better for gaming right now
>BUT RYZEN HAS MORE CORES! IT'S FUTUREPROOF! JUST WAIT FOR MULTICORE OPTIMIZATION IN FEW YEARS!
>580 is weaker than 1070 and will struggle to run new titles
>SO WHAT?! ARE YOU GONNA PLAY NOW OR WHAT?!

>so I guess I'll update my card to new 2070 Volta
>LOL NVIDIAKEK ENJOY YOUR UPGRADE EVERY YEAR
>I'm gonna buy 1511 socket cpu
>LOL INTELKEK IT'S A DEAD SOCKET I'M GONNA BUY ZEN+ NEXT YEAR AND ZEN++ AFTER ANOTHER YEAR BECAUSE AM4 SUPPORT!

>>>59965078
>>>59965131
The model number I have is AX7970 3GBD5-2DHV3 from Powercolor. At stock voltage of 1.175v, I got 1070/1425 though I haven't messed with the memory much yet. I currently have at 1105/1425 @ 1.219v. The guy I bought it from was selling it since he upgraded to an RX 480.

>>59965626
EU prices were a mistake.

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>>59965651
>7700K is better for gaming right now
in fairy tale land?

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>>59965730

How does this look?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RPcdcc

>>59965754
>its cherry picking when you use multiple games now

G O A L P O S T S T A T U S: M-M-MOVED

>>59965586
Why did you cherry pick BF1 results? lol. Not a good OP picture. It's just going to incite bitching.

You also forgot to change currently worthwhile to include RX570/580, too.

>>59965785
>dual core
>2017

looks like shit

>>59965795
>>59965754
>>59965651
keep shilling pajeet, keep samefagging

>>59965651
>cheaper card not as good as more expensive one

wad da fug??? :--DDD D D

>>59965796
>thinking more cores = more whores
Women give zero shits anon. This is a budget gaming rig.
aside from the dual core, thoughts.

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AMD on 1T timings

>>59965785
What are you going to do with the system? Unless something changed you can still drop down to the G4560 as a cpu instead. Keep in mind that the seller has to flash the H110 board then or choose a board with a B250 chipset instead.

>>59965796
Dual cores are good for budget shitty gaming

>>59965651
Any Intel CPU below the 7700k has been permanently replaced by Ryzen even if it's JUST for gaymen, what's with this autistic sperging?

>>59965855
they are good for the trashbin

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>just cancelled my 580 order
Clarity always seems to come only after putting the cash down, it seems.

If y'all rock a 280x or something in that zone on a 1080p60 monitor and aren't a rich shit, trust me, it's not time to upgrade. That baby is gonna give you the sweet 60 on still-decent settings for at least a couple more years.

>>59965881
>permanently
Yeah, just wait for 6c coffeelake in august.

>>59965896
Nice housefires. Either that or lower clocks which means it's equal to Ryzen 5 while costing more.

>>59965896
>below the 7700k
Reading comprehension.

>>59965896
JUST WAIT

Is the upgrade from RX 480 to 580 worth 30€ if I'm aiming for 90+fps on 1080/144hz monitor and don't want to get a new card for 3+ years?

>>59965890
Yeah. I'm on a non-reference 7970 that was better than most Ghz edition cards, so the same thing as a 280X.
It's like a 2x performance improvement for a high OC RX580 like the Red Devil GS.

Not as bad as you put it, and still good but... I want Vega and to maybe move up to 4k.
2x performance increase after almost 6 years isn't a lot, even if it's a much cheaper card as well.

>>59965890
Thanks, me and my trusty $50 7970 have been good for the past 2 weeks with my 750Ti sleeping in the drawer.

>>59965967
Eh it's like 5-10% better depending on the model.
It's more than 10% more expensive, right?
Up to you if that's worth it or not.

570 4GB is really the sweet spot, at least in the US. Those are $170 and as good as the 480s were at 1080p.
Or just getting a 470 for even cheaper even if it's 10% worse.

>>59965831
How about this then. I really don't fancy flashing or having to flash anything.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jZP2nn

It'll be for light gaming, mainly sims/simulations, and possibly gtav. Also light video editing for personal amusement (hence why I chose a case with a built in SD card reader)

My main concern is reliability over anything else.

>>59965982
I shouldn't say the same as the RX480. It depends on the game.
It's over 95% the same in some, but less than 90% on some others for the Red Devil RX570. And it's $190 which you can find 8GB RX480s for sale at.
So yeah, I retract that. Wait for sales on that particular card.

>>59965995
Get a cheaper motherboard and semi-modular PSU.
Rest looks good, except if you can wait the RX470 often goes on sale for like $110-$130. I'm pretty sure you can find RX570s for $170 but they're still a bit meh at that price.

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>have to view everything in 1360X768 cancer while graphics drivers install.

Also what is better; EVGA precision or MSI afterburner?

>>59965626
Is this real?

>>59966076
I was looking for a motherboard with more than 2 internal USB2.0 connectors, so I could connect the SD card reader without sacrificing anything. That's the cheapest motherboard I found that accompanies that while using the B250 chipset.
I did change it to a semi-modular psu though here
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/psgR6X

my computer: can you guess what it is?

>3210M dual core i5 with hyperthreading
>16gb ram
>850 Evo
>integrated intel 4000 graphics

>>59966148
Wattman

>>59966205
Sure, it's shit.

>>59966152
no you retard

>>59965890
No shit WAIT(tm) for Vega

>>59966222
>trips confirms
kek but with 850 evo and 16gb of ram its useable.

>>59966183
For $90 you could probably fine a Z270 with 2 internal USB2.0 connectors and plus it's a Z270 instead.

>>59965651
>new games are made with consoles in mind
>ps4/xb1 both have 8 cpu cores
>"lol why would you need more than 4c/8t? xD it's not like an engine that is written to parallelize tasks over 8 cpu cores would have the ability to use more than those 8 cores ^_^"

intel shill logic

what is the best gaming pc I can get for around $850? where is the best place to look? what are some must haves?

>>59966265
>need MORE than 2 internal USB2.0 connectors
>suggests motherboards with 2

>>59965754
That's some serious autism right there. Either that or they were paid to make that.

>>59966276
Get Intel+Nvidia for gaming.

>>59966276
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XVVppb

>>59966269
PS3 has 8 cores for years yet games didn't magically required 8 cores to play.

>>59966276
build one with a ryzen 1600 and a gtx 1060, 8gb of ram.

>>59966291
you are autistic

i5 or i7? is a 1050 worth getting?

>>59966335
R5 and no, get 470/570.

>>59966335
ryzen 5 and fuck no 1050 is garbage. buy 480/570

What are some quality 5.25 to 3.5 hot swap bays that use trays to prevent the SATA connectors from getting abused? Everything I come across is tray-less, or they trays still just have you connecting/disconnecting directly to/from the drive each time you swap it out.

>>59966335
Doesn't a 1050 cost like $115?
RX470s go on sale for $110-$130 all the time and they're literally twice as fast.

Only reason to get a 1050 or 1050Ti is because you can get ones that don't require a 6pin power connector. Which is occasionally a good reason, but rare for most buyers.

>>59966307
they don't require them, but most new games use as many cores/threads as your cpu has, which results in less stutters and therefore a much smoother gameplay experience :)

i have an HP Pavillion from 2008. can I make it useable or should I just buy a whole new tower?

>>59966396
new tower

>>59966396
Why would you do that to yourself?
Why do you hate yourself?

If someone wanted to go to newegg and pick me out the best gaming pc for around $850, I could share some unsecured security cam scores. If anybody is in to that.

>>59966437
Someone linked an i7-6700 with an RX480 for $670 from a thread or two ago. Go find that one.
Acer I think but idk. Just put in 600-700 price, filter it to only show i7 and rx480, and you should find it.

An Acer? I really dont know anything about computers but I know they are dogshit. What about Cyberpower? Ibuypower? Been looking for an Asus but like I said, I dont know anything.

Make me a TF2 machine /pcbg/

>>59966561
anything with a dual core cpu

>>59966524
>admits he doesn't know anything
>calls Acer dogshit
I had an Acer for years. I have nothing bad to say about it.

>59966561
7700k

TF2 is an unoptimized old piece of garbage that guzzles down single thread performance

This is assuming you want 144hz, that is. A kaby Pentium should do fine for 60fps.

>>59965890
Are you retarded? I upgraded from R370 2GB to RX470 4Gb and doubled performance for cheap price. I dont think that 280X is much than R370. Polaris is great, you should of upgrade like a year ago.

>>59966622
>not that much better
It's literally twice the TFLOPs
The 280X still does 30fps minimum on games maxed out now days.
Still does over 60fps on plenty of games, or all of them if you just turn settings down a bit.
Whole different class of card. It's not like the RX470 vs RX480 is today at all. It's like comparing the RX460 to the RX470 instead.

Anyone with a 7970 or better is generally not going to feel the need to upgrade on 1080p. Even the 290X and 390X is still amazing for 1440p.
Thus we wait for Vega and we won't have to upgrade for another 5+ years again if we don't want to.

What's the verdict over the 570? Should I consider it instead of the 479 or naw?

>>59966825
But point is Vega is high end. So you dont want to upgrade from middle to middle but to high end? Why even bring 470/480 into discussion? Why do you need Vega if you have low demands?

>>59966879
The 280X was still high end for its time. The 7970 was way before its time.
The 290X was just above-high-end. It was what the Titan Xp is today. Those things were selling for $900 instead of the $500 MSRP or whatever because they were so mind-boggling powerful and so in demand (and bitcoin miners).

If we can still play games at 60fps, obviously the point of an upgrade is for 144fps, 1440p at high hz, or 4k.
We aren't retards that buy 1080Tis for our 60hz 1080p monitors like Nvidia fanboys.

>>59966840
lurk more

>>59965890
I'm thinking about selling me GTX 970 while I can and getting a 580 for it.
It's just a burning feeling.

>>59967101
>upgrading from a nvidia product
>when AMD still doesn't have support for Waifu2x
uh.. amdbabbs??

>>59967101
Better wait for Vega/Volta or get 1080 when it gets bit cheaper.
>>59967126
>when AMD still doesn't have support for Waifu2x
What do you even mean?

Okay, so I have two main goals:

1) play Overwatch on literally any settings as long as it's 1080p 144Hz minimum
2) stream it using twitch at a decent frame rate and resolution

what's the cheapest that could do this? Would a 1060 / 7600k make the cut or would I have to upgrade either?

>>59967101
Selling a 970 when idiots will still pay $175 for them despite them completely shitting the bed in many games is a good idea.
I can't imagine they'll hold their value. Those idiots have to catch on eventually.

I'm just not sure getting an RX580 is the best idea. Yeah it's better on average, and SLIGHTLY lower power consumption, but Vega or 1080 discounted is a better buy.

>>59967141
You want to stream ... on a 7600k ... while a game is running at 144fps minimum? Are you actually retarded? What the hell made you think that'd be possible? Or are you going to build a second machine to do the encoding? That's even stupider when you could do it on one proper machine.

You'll need a 1700 and a 1060 overclocked to 2000MHz+ or a 1070.

>>59967175

sorry I've never done streaming before

would a 7700k and a 1070 be able to do it then?

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>>59966148
>tfw that's my resolution all the time

>>59967183
Why are you being retarded about this?
1700 is the only choice for streaming. Why are you even asking about the 7700k? It has half the cores and threads. It's obviously worse for such a task.

If you get a 7700k you're spending more money to have worse quality hardware accelerated encoding that won't look nearly as good.
Or you spend twice as much for 2 7700k systems to play on one and do CPU encoding on the other one.

This is probably bordering on a Stupid Question but anyways...

I managed to pick up an old AMD CPU and motherboard from the bargain bin of a PC store. Planning to use it as a shitter box to play old games. I've never used an AMD product ever.

Just need some DDR3 to go with it. The fastest DDR3 RAM the CPU supports is 1866 (though the mobo supports 2133) But DDR3-1866 is pretty much impossible to find now (especially for a decent price), while DDR-2133 seems to be everywhere, cheap and plentiful.

Are there any consequences for putting in DDR3-2133? Will the motherboard just automatically downclock it to DDR3-1866 and the CPU will be fine with that?

I just built

Z270X Gaming 7
i7 7700K @ 5Ghz
H115i AIO Water Cooling Unit
GTX 1080 STRIX OC
16 GB RAM

Using my old NZXT 820 as the case, cleaned the mofo out.

Getting glorious framrates and temps on all the latest meme games at 2K with 144hz

i am happy

TRY AND TEAR ME DOWN

>>59967244
>i7 7700K @ 5Ghz
>non Ti card
Well enjoy it while it lasts.

>>59967244
Also 2TB 960 PRO and 4TB HDD as storage

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>>59967243
>Are there any consequences for putting in DDR3-2133
No. Just set the speed and timings in the BIOS manually to 1866 and a bit lower CL.

>>59967244
Grats. You're the first person to not have 50C+ idle on a 7700k in a while, but I wonder how much of that is thanks to the AIO.

>>59967263
>2TB 960 PRO
No one show anon the benchmarks that it's the same real-world speed as an 850 SATA and just costs twice as much for no reason.

I bought a cheap XFX RX470 RS on sale some time ago and now i'm building a R5 1600(X) PC.
Question is, should i use the RX470 and put some old used GPU in the old PC and sell it or should i buy a RX580 and sell the old PC with the RX470 as is.
Also what about vega, do we have any news on it about power draw and price?

>>59967262
its a fair point maybe i will leave it at a stock

i have the income for a 1080ti SLI so it is always an option for me

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>>59967276
>15.3s - 960 pro 2tb $1300
>15.5s - 850 evo 2tb $650
You could have gotten two or three sessions with a high class escort for that.
Uninformed buyers are the greatest.

>>59967234
okay so 1700 and a 1070?

So, which rx 580 is the best one ? XFX GTR again ?

>>59967316
Wait for reviews.

>>59967132
>Better wait for Vega/Volta or get 1080 when it gets bit cheaper.
>>59967175
>I'm just not sure getting an RX580 is the best idea. Yeah it's better on average, and SLIGHTLY lower power consumption, but Vega or 1080 discounted is a better buy.
The issue here is that I really don't want to do the waiting game, I got this GTX970 for a below 120 pricetag a few months ago in a drunken attempt to fix my GPU related issues that came from not having an upgrade over the last near 8 years.

>>59967292
lmao? Keep the 470 unless you can get the same or more that you paid for it back.
The fuck is with you guys that'll buy a card then 6 months later want a new 20% better one.
Idk I guess if you can sell the PC as is as a good price, yeah that's easier with a GPU already in it. But you'd have to wait for Vega to do that reasonably.

>power draw
idk. Pretty sure the Radeon Instinct MI25 is <300W.
Expecting 280-350W for the top end Vega. so a 550W good quality PSU will be more than enough.
Cut down and downclocked Vega probably 180-220W.

>>59967316
We don't know since the XFX GTR 580 doesn't have reviews yet. The assumption is yes since the GTS appears to be like the 480 GTR.

As far as I can tell, the POWERCOLOR Red Devil GS is the best one and the Sapphire Nitro+ is the second best. But I expect the XFX GTR will be between those or match/beat the Red Devil.

>>59967327
>waiting game
shit comes out in May dude. Why the fuck are so many of you so impatient? This is an 18+ board.

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Here's my dilemma.

I'm moving to the US at the end of the year, and i'm also in the market for a PC.

I'm only taking the components inside the PC to the US, unless i build an ITX system. Then i could probably fit a sugo 13 in my suitcase.

I want to play some sweet games, but i've got a 720p monitor i'm just gonna stick with.

Longterm, would it make more sense for a small i3 cheap ass system with a 1050 2gb that i could re-purpose as a home entertainment system or something later on, or get my hands on a Ryzen 1600 and maybe a 1050 TI and get a cheap ass case, like a cougar spike, and then just sell it for like, 20 bucks when i leave ...

Just thinkin' what would get me the most bang for my buck long term.

How long do you guys reckon the 1600 will stay relevant?

>>59967276
i did not really buy this ssd for the boot times but it is a nice touch considering i went from using a 2006 seagate HDD

>>59967276
very much largely down to the AIO
I also have the 200m side intake fan and very good cooling inside the case with the PC in a low temp room

>>59967360
A, the price will obviously be high and the option of "which brands one isn't pure ass" takes a decent amount of time to be certified
B, if I do sell the GTX 970 meme, I'll be sitting ducks in the hopes that the vega is at a good price and is a good overall GPU.

Besides, basically 9 years of waiting does make the concept of "just wait a bit more lad" kind of strange.

>>59967303
A 1600 overclocked the 2000MHz+ should keep above 144fps.
Just google reviews and figure out which 1060s overclock to 2000MHz fine.
But if you want to play it safe, you can overpay for a 1070 instead.

>>59967362
There are mITX RX470s now. Check the Sapphire Pulse. Roughly the same price but over 50% better performance as long as you've got a 6pin. And you know how Ryzen+AMD GPU just plays nice together.

Problem is that Ryzen mITX doesn't look like it's coming out until June. So maybe you should just get a tiny mITX box with no dGPU, and just go with a i3-7350K or i3-7320.

>>59967383
You could have gotten 99% the same performance with a $650 cheaper 850 Evo and used that money for hookers instead.

>>59967387
Eh I'm pretty experienced with hardware, even if I'm more of a software guy.
I really, really, really do not think Vega is going to disappoint. It'll be 2x Fury X performance at minimum. I wouldn't be surprised if it beats the Titan Xp in DX12/Vulkan.
Not to mention the benefit of Freesync2 vs overpriced last gen Gsync.
AMD has always competed on price whether they can or can't deliver the best card. They can't just sell the cards on name alone like Nvidia can.

>>59967417
Any estimations on the price of Vega?

>>59967451
I say 300+. Probably around the price of GTX1080.

>>59967417
>You could have gotten 99% the same performance with a $650 cheaper 850 Evo and used that money for hookers instead.
very true :[

>>59967451
Almost surely $400-$450 for the cut down one.
$550-$750 for the full size 13-14TFLOPS full clocks one.
I'm hoping the "Nano" successor is going to be on the cheaper cut down die this time, as well. That'd make way more sense. Or a Nano on both the cut down and full die.

They can't even sell the cut down one less than $400 as far as I can see since, at minimum, even that cut down die should be about double RX580 performance. The only way they'd be cheaper is if they price drop RX580s just a month after they've been out, which is unlikely...

Anyway, I need to get to bed.

>>59967474
>>59967511
Yeah, not very certain I want to plow 400~500 dollars for a GPU anytime soon.
I'll try selling the GTX 970 for a good price and getting a RX 580 instead.

intel+nvidia for gaming
amd+nvidia for streaming
amd+amd for fuccbois

>>59967511
And before anyone asks about a "1070 competitor", Vega would likely need to be around 40CUs to compete with the 1070, not 56 which is likely for the cut down card.
A card like the 1070 is pointless for 99% of cases, anyway.
It's not good enough for 144fps in anything more demanding than Overwatch.
It's not good enough for 4K.
Yet it's complete overkill for 1080p 60hz or 1440p 60hz in almost all cases, making it poor value.

It looks to me that "Vega 11" is basically going to be "Vega 20" instead and become the RX600 series in 12-18 months.

>>59967533
Its price/performance should be amazing, though.
$400 for something twice as fast as a $270 top end RX580 and way better performance per watt.

It's the "future proof" card. RX580 is sufficient for 1440p, but you'll have to turn settings down in a few games. If that's your use case, go for it. Vega is more for 4k and shit.

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>>59967571
amd+amd for gaming
>when you don't want a stutterfest.

>>59967571
>intel
>gayming
n-n-o t-t-thanks

What's the absolute cheapest desktop you can build that will be better than a laptop with integrated graphics? G4560 and RX550?

So... any Eurofag here that also wanted a RX 580? Are we getting fucked over with the prices again?

>>59967533
Idunno man 970->580 is a sidegrade mostly. You can grab 580 and sell it and upgrade later of course if the performance is not enough.

>>59967653
Do you really need to ask? How much is it where you are?

>>59967590
Maybe the RX560. RX550 is meant to replace bottom of the barrel IGP on old computers

>>59967653
The 4GB 580 costs as much as the 8GB 480 here in Sweden, doesn't seem worth at all, especially not if the 580 runs hotter

>>59967360
I bought the card because my old one died, i had to. I only ask this question because i want to sell my old PC which is obviously better with a GPU than without.
Then again i'd need a new one a RX580 but this shitpile of a rebrand... idk about it.

>>59967417
I'm Australian, so those prices end up being really close together. You can't really get 470's here.

>I3 750k.

M8 those are about the price of the Ryzens here, no joke.

>>59967681
270€ for the XFX one. Though some goes up to 330€.
290€ Sapphire.

It's still a bit chaotic so far over amazon.

>>59967738
I really need a GPU though. I'm still using my i7's iGPU and while it's fairly good I want to finish my computer already. It's been a month and I still don't even know what GPU to buy. Opened /g/ today to find out everyone was shitting on the 580, not even the usual AMDfags are defending it this time.

1080p 60fps by the way.

>>59967655
yeah I went to the shop and realized that as well, I think I'll just survive with this until the Vega starts getting sold second hand or some shit and pick it up for 300 in a year or two.
I think I'll just enjoy what I have now and rather focus on my CPU.

GTX 1070 for 350€ yes or no? Either Asus or Gigabyte.

will a 460 xfire with a 560?

>>59967916
Yes. I mean you'd have to deal with novideo drivers but the card itself is bretty good.

>>59967927
>deal with novideo drivers
What do you mean?

>>59967937
Nvidia's track record with drivers these last couple of years isn't good.

>>59967937
It's been a ~year since novideo drivers went straight into the trashcan.

>>59967945
>>59967950
... should I go with an RX 580 then? The Sapphire one is looking so far.

Fuck I just want a GPU.

>>59967957
Nah, 1070 for 350 is perfectly fine.

>>59967950
>a year
try many
I'm the autistic lad here blabbering about his GTX 970 and before that I had an eons old 9600 GT.
Hilariously enough it was strong enough for a lot of games these days but you had to gimp your drivers to 2~3 years ago drivers to get a good performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfwjq2KDHJU

Would the RX 460 be fine if paired with a R5 1600? I'm planning to save up for Vega, I'm just going to buy
casing: Tecware Quad White
AMD ryzen 5 1600
mb am4: MSI B350M Mortar Arctic
ram ddr4: Geil RGB 2400 2 x 4GB

>>59967987
Get RX550 and some faster RAM.

>>59967987
buy a used 7970 or 280x. shit will be under $100 and give better perf than a 460

>>59967990
don't really aim to use it for gaming; I'm planning to turn this thing into a VM + Programming machine

>>59968009
Then do >>59968006 that.

>>59967919
no

>>59968009
>I'm planning to turn this thing into a VM + Programming machine
if you're gonna keep the machine even after you grab Vega, then don't do >>59968006

they have worse perf/watt, so it'll suck to use long-term

>>59965890
I jumped from a 280x to a 980 Ti last year since I wanted a 1440p boost. At least I got it for 385 USD and can run 1500/2000 stable.

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>>59965651
>Comparing 580 and 1070
My diggy just shiggied so hard that I shiggy diggy

>>59967916
Fuck no.

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Should I fall for 1080Ti + 4k? I'm tempted, but waiting a year for Volta seems like a safer bet.

>>59967916
Gigabyte Xtreme\Aorus better than Strix.

>>59968164
Wait for Vega/Volta/Navi/whatever. 1080ti can't do 4k@60fps reliably.

>>59968164
>>59968182

Two 1080 Ti cards.

>>59967916
1070 a shit unless you're looking to drive a 144hz monitor, mate. Overkill for 1080p 60fps, an not enough grunt for 1440p. That's some redundant shit right there.

If you're buying a non-1080(ti) Nvidia card at the moment you're a prime cuck.

>>59968182
Yeah that's what I'm seeing too, but then it can hit it on most games. And 50 on VH/Ultra means 60+ on High.
It's just that I feel I'd be tempted to jump tp Volta anyway.

>>59968220
Too expensive and impractical.

>>59968220
SLI sucks horse cocks.

>>59968230
>Volta
Volta is eh, it depends whether it's another dieshrink or they'll actually change the arch in some way.

>>59968238
Sure, but even if it's a shrink you can expect boosted clocks and maybe some minor optimizations.
Even 20% over Pascal would land it in pretty comfortable 4k/60 territory IMO, the 1080Ti is already almost there.

>>59968250
>boosted clocks
Here we go again. NVIDIA is already at the point of diminishing returns. It's time for them to go back to the drawing board the same way ayymd did after Fiji.

How does the 570 compare to the 480?
The prices in europe are abysmal atm.

A4 X300 mobos when? I want to do a 1600 + RX480/580 mini itx build and didn't think the motherboard would be an issue

hey pcbg, I got a question: In my closet I found a syringe of Noctua thermal paste, it's still sealed in the original packaging. Is that still safe to use? Going to build a rig this weekend, and I wouldn't have to get any then

>>59968481
Start of July.

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I'm looking forward to my new mouse (pic related) + mousepad.

>$5 mouse
>no consistency in response
>over or under responds basically every time; generally doesn't like small movements, and sometimes doesn't respond to them at all
>moving the mouse around in a circle a few times to get it to respond and predict how it's going to behave this time has become standard procedure
>has been known to send the cursor flying off in random directions; this has gotten me killed in games a few times

I just tried moving the mouse between numbers on a post as a test. I only going it in one smooth movement around half of the time. Now try aiming a weapon with that.

>>59968798

Though to be fair to the mouse, the mousepad probably plays a role, too. This thing must be 20 years old at this point.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kxbGtJ

I'm sitting around a maximum budget of $600 but would like to go as cheap as possible. I'd like something a bit stronger than my PS4.

FRESH
>https://videocardz.com/press-release/biostar-debuts-worlds-first-mini-itx-motherboard-for-amd-ryzen

>>59968876
Go sleep! NOW!

>>59968876
Fuck off Morgana.

>>59968876
I tossed you in a bag with a brick in the river.

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I hate to ask but does this seem like a decent computer? I like the pricing but I don't mind going up a little bit if its absolutely worth it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VXvzRG

>>59969096
Swap 1050ti for 470/570 and its decent.

>>59969115
Thank you anon

Yo, my wraith spire cooler has thermal paste on it already. Am I going to be okay if I just use that for now, or should I wipe it off and reapply my own? I'd rather use that stock stuff as that's a part I was a bit nervous about doing

>>59965626
>Just Wait
I CAN'T FUCKING WAIT ANYMORE, VEGA IS SO FAR BEHIND THE FUCKING GAME IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I JUST WANTED TO UPGRADE MY 290 BUT EVERYTHING PUT OUT IS A SIDEGRADE FOR THE PAST YEAR+

>>59969096
>1050ti
No.
Bump up to RX 470/570
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/44d4hq
Might want to watch out for the case, cheapo stuff like that might not fit the card or have bad cable management.

I really want to upgrade from my 7870
580 prices aren't that bad in canada..thoughts?

>>59969145
Computex.

>>59969151
I've decided to switch to the 470. Any case recommendations?

>>59969096
Just to echo what other anons have said, but the 1050ti has absolutely no purpose outside of a very low wattage build that sips power. There have pretty much always been better budget options around that price point (for every xx50ti series) that performs much better.

I can't tell which way to orientate my R5 1600 on my mobo, what should I do?

>>59969216
Be patient and don't fuck it up. There's probably a video of someone installing theirs out there.

>>59969216
rtfm

>>59969216
There's always a corner marked with a little triangle in both the CPU and the mobo, and it can only go in one way without applying force. Alternatively:

>>59969231

so there's little reason for me to upgrade from an rx480 8gb to an rx580 8gb right?

>>59969322
There's no reason, it's a refresh.

>>59969322
Are you in the dire need to overclock with 1.4V instead of 1.2V

>>59969338
You mean 1.040V?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ9ro5pwfXY

>>59969338
nah

>>59969328
sweet

>>59969350
So they cranked voltages again for no reason? Ayymd pls.

>>59969378
hurrrr

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Continuing question from yesterday about worries about PC health:

During playing game, I launched HWMonitor to see how it performs during that and this is the screenshoot made after I closed the game. Not only it reached 72C on stock frequency and max fan speed of the cooler (~1500 rmp, nh-u12s) but also I dont understand why it shows lowest frequency at 800 mhz (throttle temperature for this cpu is 100C).

I checked few days ago if cooler is mounted properly and all. The only thing that was off is that when I move the case around, one of that parts holding fan to heatsink tend to detach, so fan only hang on "upper" part. I left my motherboard cover voltage by automatic settings. I dont know if I wouldnt screw it somehow by setting manually 1.2V for example, especially since during low use it can drop to 0.8V.

Since I got this new PC, I constantly sit with nose into temperature readings. I dont even know, what Im doing wrong.

What should I do?

>>59965626
Just wait stfu thats all you faggots post

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So I got this older dude:
>Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H mobo
>i5-4460
>GTX 960 (2gigs)
>8gb RAM
>430W Seasonic (S12II)

And I'm going for upgrade. I will definitely buy another 8GB RAM stick and SSD drive. However, I would like to also buy a new GPU for some 1080 gaming. I'm looking for something in the middle class or slightly above. I prefer Nvidia, though I'm not sure if that old power source is enough for the modern cards.
So:
>What GPU would you recommend?
>Is 1060 a good idea?

Also I'm in Europe (Czech) so I'm going to get cucked by the prices I guess.

>>59969134
You can replace it if you really want to, but stock will work well enough.

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Anon from >>59969399 here.
Basically my Corsair case 500r's port got fucked. Need a replacement but can't find any. There's one for 400r, and it's $33.

If I buy that will it fit with the case I have? I ain't got enough to buy a new case mind you.

Anyone use a CMSS-3d sound card? Is it much better than surround sound headphones?

>>59969619
you don't need anymore ram. SSD is a good idea.

the 1060 gets beat by AMD in price and performance. the new 580 has a single 8-pin connector version which shouldn't draw very much power.

Gigabyte GA-AB350M-D3H or the GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 for an mATX board? Or are they any other suggestions for AM4 boards at that size?

From the reviews it seems like you can't OC RAM very well on mATX AM4 boards.

Anyone know what the rx560 is supposed to perform like? Supposedly they're the one product that isn't a straight up rebadge.

>>59969945
Shit man, it may be my autism but I'm not sure about the AMDs. I remember that horrible pissing with the drivers all the time.

So it's basically 580/470 etc.?

>>59969619
The RX470 is the best value for 1080p but I'd get at least a 4GB VRAM card if you're coming from a 2GB card, and the 480 4GB costs basically the same as the 4GB 470

why are cpus so fucking expensive now?

>>59967957
Just get a 480, their going for cheap right now

>>59970114
what are you even on about, ryzen is pretty cheap

>>59970081
Thanks man. I'm still not sure about the AMD, but I'm looking at 8GB version of RX 480. It's not so pricey and looks nice. However that would also mean to upgrade the PSU as well, right? And I will need to look if I can even fit it in my case, since it's microATX little shit from Fractal.

Everyone is saying Vega in May. Is there any basis for this claim? I am tired of waiting and want to pull the trigger on 1080 ti but this May thing keeps me waiting.

>>59970186
leaks, amd will prob confirm soon

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>>59970051
their drivers had a long stretch of being shitty which earned them that reputation but they've been solid for a while now.

looking into it though i think that power supply is going to be an issue. the 1060 seems like your only option and even then that's pushing it. so long as you aren't running a ton of HDDs and fans you should be okay.

this is what im goin for
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/JZQTRG

>>59970207
Is vega rumored to be on the level of 1080 ti? Or is it going to be more like normal 1080? Or we don't know anything?

>>59970227
Thanks. I decided to buy a new PSU since this one is pretty old anyways. With that in mind, it's RX 480 then?

>>59969877
pls

>>59970227
also if a 470 is significantly cheaper than a 1060 in your country i would go with that.

>>59970265
the only performance leak has it above the titan Xp (the one launched last week), but take it with a grain of salt

>>59970294
Around 30-40 bucks cheaper.

>rx 470 / 480 / 570 basically the same price in germany (4gb)

how

>>59970269
you've got a lot of options with a new power supply. the 580 is looking pretty good but the models seem to vary a lot.

it literally just released so look at reviews and check availability in your part of the world.

Is /g/ always such a mess at a new gpu release? I can't really figure out if the 570 is good nor not right now. Each benchmark differs from the other I've seen before.

From a newbie perspective in that field at least.

>>59970466
RX 470/570 = poop
RX 480/580 = yes

>>59970324
personally if i was in your situation i would try to find a good price on a 1060 and stretch the life of that thing, unless you think it's about to give up the ghost. google shows people using a 1060 on sub-400w PSUs so i think you'll be fine.

1060 is still more than enough for 1080p and the extra cost is worth not having to deal with replacing the PSU.

>>59965730
>comparing intel to a more expensive cpu with more ram
Why do amd shills delude themselves?

Where does the housefire meme come from? Do you guys not buy coolers?

>>59970315
>believing fake news
It will be comparable to the 1080

Does anyone have one of the budget AsRock x370 boards and managed to get their RAM up to speed? I'm looking at the Killer or the Fatality and I haven't found a single case of someone actually getting their memory to run at 3200 mhz. Could be that the reviewers are stupid and not using Samsung B-die, but I'd like some reassurance before buying the board.

>>59970543
>more expensive
>muh $25

>"more" ram
>being this retarded

What is better? Cooler Master MasterAir Pro4 or Cryorig H7
>inb4 what is a google search
Cant find anything decent

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So i'm trying to do my first mini-itx build, please rate.
They basically differ in mobo + CPU (z170 6600K vs shit 6400), but i'm wondering will 450W be enough? Also will this cooler work? Should i go for something different that will fit?

>>59970569
Blame Intel and their fucking retarded jew cum + delid shittery

>>59970650
also i'm aiming at 60@FullHD or 144@fullHD overwatch

>>59970640
Its about a $70 dollar difference.l

>>59970670
Maybe in your shithole of a cunt tree.

>>59965730
Is this bait? The image you posted clearly shows 7700k is superior

>>59970684
America? Please link me to a $350 1700x

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rx 580 now or vaiting in hope that there will be vega 11 model for 350 euro?

>>59970722
580. Vega 11 will no doubt cost nearly $450

>>59970608
>making shit up
worse than fake news

>>59970746
so how will they compete with gtx 1070

>>59970269
hey same anon here. i'm retarded and just noticed that chart is TOTAL power consumption. that system is probably running a minimum of peripherals but you should be totally fine with 430w.

i'd still play it safe and get the 480 since it looks like the 500 series is more power hungry for whatever reason.

>>59970315
LOL, what performance leak is that? Show it

>>59970763
I honestly dont know. Some people are speculating that it doesn't even exist, due to the scarcity of information on it. I sure hope it exists

If VEGA 11 isnt HBM2, then there is no point wasting $450 on it.

>>59970708
7700k is $410
1700X is $445
Correction, $35 difference

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>>59970823
>HBM2
>die size that's 80% larger than the 1080
>people thinking it will sell for 450
top kek

stock thermal paste or mx-2 on my wraith spire?

can't find any benchmarks to show if its worth the effort to clean the stock shit off or not

>>59970697
only in two gayms kek

>>59970826
7700k is $330 friend. So i guess its $115 difference
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VKx9TW/intel-core-i7-7700k-42ghz-quad-core-processor-bx80677i77700k

So I got to the wiring stage in my build and I'm fucking lost.

Got this PSU: http://www.corsair.com/en-us/rmi-series-rm650i-650-watt-80-plus-gold-certified-fully-modular-psu

Figured out the cable from PSU -> Mobo

Can't figure out which one goes to my optical drive

Can't figure out which one goes to my SSD

Do I need one for my GPU?

I was doing pretty well up until here.

>>59970883
hes obviously in a different country amerilard

Do I need a high end gpu to support 3 monitors? 1 gaming, 1 video , 1. Misc

I currently have a 280x with 2 monitors and waiting for Vega before deciding what high end card to get

>>59969433

Anybody?

>>59970841
>underestimating how jewish nvidia is
good goyim

>>59970891
GPU: 6 and/or 8 pin
Storage drives: SATA power to mobo, SATA III to mobo
Optical meme: no idea

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZpkCkT

Thoughts improvements? For games and household work about at max budget trying for under $800. Can be added to later hence one ram stick.

>>59970927
>amd shills have to live in third world contries to come close to intel prices
Sorry

>>59970940
Not really, I've been using a 390 for a while now with a triple monitor setup, 1 1440p 96hz, and 2 1080p 60hz secondaries.

>>59969877
pls respond

>>59970970
amd is cheaper in america
stay mad murifat, you can always buy cpus from your (((greatest ally)))

>>59970948
Yeah because the fury x also launched at 450 right?

>>59970854
At the very least you could say their performance is comparable and intel is significantly cheaper

>>59971038
Not to mention those are some handily picked benchmarks, there are plenty of games that do not scale well over many cores in which the 7700k squashes the 1800x

>>59971038
>intel is significantly cheaper
And also much shittier when it comes to productivity

>>59971102
A majority of productivity work is GPU-accelerated anyway, but I do agree

>>59970967
>asus radeon

I have plans to upgrade to this:
(Except the GPU, I already own it).
Currently running an ancient AMD Phenom X4 9650 and 8 gigs of ancient DDR2 RAMs. Is this a good choice?

>>59969877
Keep bumping your thread until you get an answer

>>59971149
Forgot link
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b7jPNN

>>59971145
So then what would work better in the same price range?

>spends $1500 on PC
>pirate windows

>spend $500 on dx12 card
>installs Linux

If you do either of these get the fuck out of this thread

>>59971164
>i5

>>59965651
>wait for multicore optimization

People have been waiting since 2002 and games still aren't doing it.

>>59971165
XFX

>>59965730
>Mafia 3 medium

>>59971175
Whats wrong with i5? I keep reading it is enough to run vidya, but the Ryzen memes keep bashing it. Thats just what I caught on this board

>>59971184
This is why dual cores are still relevant to this day and age. Retarded trash lazy programmers who deserve to be shot.

Im looking to upgrade from an i5-4690.
Purpose to be streaming at 144hz, which processor should I get?

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>>59971168
>not gpuvming

>>59971239
>streaming at 144hz
r5 1600

>>59970845
Stock is fine as well.

>>59971211
Nothing's 'bad' about the i5, it just depends on what you value more. Ryzen has more cores/threads which can be useful for multitasking, multithreaded applications and has some benefits in games like higher minimum fps, better frametiming though has lower maximum fps compared to intel.

Few questions
Monitors:
1. Can someone spoonfeed me on dynamic contrast ratio? I heard it ruins whites and blacks however the contrast ratio on the monitor I just bought without dynamic on is awful (1:1000 as opposed to my other piece of shit Acer's 1:40,000) - with dynamic on it's 1:12,000,000
2. Can a monitor have multiple native refresh rates? Been seeing the one I just bought listed as 144, 120 and 100 and I thought it was just 144.
Graphics card:
How do I make my faggot GPU fan stop being so fucking loud

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Which one /pcbg/? Both are thermaltake. Both perform well. The single tower came off of my old i7 and they're both am3+ capable. I intend to get a Ryzen board with am3 mounting holes. Does Ryzen warrant a fuck huge cooler?

>>59971188
Thanks, nothing else seem off? It has been years since I made a new build

>>59965730
How the fuck do people play 144hz?

The best CPUs on the market are only getting ~80fps in those newer games.

>>59971330
Admittedly I'm not following this quote chain, however if you didn't fall for the 4k meme it's easily achievable.

>>59971330
1080p + good GPU

>>59971328
>Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory
Ryzen loves fast RAM, also get a dual kit

>>59971344
>>59971351
Look at the benchmarks in the post though. The latest Ryzen and Intel cpus are only getting 80fps in most of those games.

>>59971303
Thanks, guess I will look into Ryzen some more. The price seems higher in my area, will have to make sure its worth it.

>>59971363
Planning to buy second stick in a few months, unless I can take the 60 bucks out of current build somewhere else.
But can change to faster now.

>>59971376
It's also a new architecture so expect updates.

>>59971250
>make $20 in bitcoins
>fry $500 card

Great investment.

>>59971368
I'm on a fucking 1060 and get 90-120 FPS at 1080p in most newer games. As far as I know the games in that benchmark are notorious for running like shit for whatever that's worth.

>>59970940
No. Its only demanding if you are playing one game across multiple monitors in a giant ass clown resolution. If you just have a standard 1080p game in monitor, and other shit displayed on the others, its a pretty minor fps hit.

>>59971323
what the fuck

>>59971454
? I'm asking which cooler to use on my soon to be Ryzen setup. Does Ryzen warrant the giant cooler on the left? Or would I get by just fine with the single tower on the right?

Getting the r7-1700.

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>>59965754
>Using multiple games that have come out in the last few years
>STOP CHERRYPICKING

>>59971318
pls respond
(just in case this was buried under arguing about CPUs)

I'm currently planning my build and I was going for the rx480 it is supposed to not age as badly as the GTX 1060. I'm not planning to get a new graphics card in the next two years so it seemed to be the better option. The price was already at 235€ for the rx480 but now AMD did this stupid rebrand thing and the cheapest rx580 is 270Euros, the next one is 290Euros. Meanwhile the rx480s are disappearing from the sites. Should I quickly get a rx480 for 240Euros before they are all gone?

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is this good. did i waste my money? I really needed a PSU

>>59971504
Cooler that comes with it should be fine to use for basic OC or until you can get a better one. For 24/7 3.9/4GHz OC, you should be fine with something like a 212 Evo or a single radiator AIO. Ryzen doesn't realistically clock over about 4.1GHz no matter what cooler you're using due to the crazy voltages.

>>59971561
yes

>>59971569
I may have bought a more basic one but that one should serve you fine for a long time.

>>59970180
Your PSU is more than enough.

does that cooler that comes with the 1500 have the LED?

>>59971607
only the 1700 has the LED cooler.

>>59965586
which AM4 boards can safely hit 3000Mhz+ on ram speeds?
been hearing good things about asrock, but need answers from anons with ryzen.

>>59971622
rats

>>59970265
>12.5tflops at 1525mhz
Yea. Considering everything they changed makes GCN a not-Maxwell with hardware scheduler, it is in fact a 1080ti/Titan competitor.

>>59971569

Depends what you are powering with it. I bought a 750w unit to feed a 4.7ghz vishera chip and a monster clocked 290x. These days I have less thirsty parts but a good psu is never a bad thing.

>>59971601
Really man? I'm now reading it out and GTX 1060 is supposedly less power-hungry than RX 480. But 430W, you sure?

>>59971624

You'll need some samsung B-Die ram but the hero and taichi are good for over 3000mhz.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/rog-crosshair-vi-overclocking-thread

Alright this is just for gaymen at 1080p. Before you fags tell me to get a 580 and Ryzen, I'm too much of a poorfag. Plus I've had AMD shit in the past. Never again. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QWHY7h

>>59971279
thanks
would getting the r7 1700 be dumb though?

Should i sell my 1080 and buy a 1080ti?

>>59971739
There's literally nothing wrong with AMD this gen, but you're too stupid to realize that, that's why you're poor by the way.

>>59971782
I don't want to burn my house down, faggot.

>>59971799
130W GPU and 65W CPU sound too intimidating?

>>59971799
>Still stuck on housefire memes
>>/reddit/

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made a picture to help.

I just got a GPU with two 8pin power thingys.

my PSU comes with 2 Pcie cables.

each Pcie cable splits into two 6+2 connectors.

Do I use 1 cable and plug all 16pins in
or Do I use 2 Cables and Plug 8 pins of each cable

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>>59971573
Good to know. I'll go for the single tower. Now quick /g/ help me!! Which one? And I'm thinking of stepping down from my 1700 to a 1600X. Saves $70, still get much better multi threading than my i7, and faster per core clocks.

>>59971739
>144hz monitor with an i3 and 1050ti

m8

>>59971810
Woopee more cores don't make shitposting or my games go any faster. I had a 7970 and holy shit I had to RMA the damn thing 5 times. I don't trust AMD anymore. Period.

>>59966307
>required 8 cores to play
>required

found the retard

>>59971702
Yes.

Are there any lower power versions of the rx 470/570? Something that hovers closer to 100w or so, instead of 125w

>>59971832
>I had to RMA one of the best GPUs ever created 5 times
It's (you) being retarded and thirsty for (you)s.

>>59971702
Watch this video carefully, actual 580 wattage is the same as 1060's. It's a pretty efficient card, more so with chill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ9ro5pwfXY

>>59971840
Thanks man.

>>59971820
literally doesn't matter as long as those are PCIe and not CPU pins or some shit

you know what really grinds my gears? That amd doesn't have a cuda equivalent.
>tfw no nn training on amd gpus unless the framework supports open cl

>>59971863
Nah only from you Anon. You're special.

>>59968487
pls respond :S

>>59971939
No you should never inject that shit into your system. Stop being a poorfag.

>>59971868
I'm going to watch it, thanks anon. However I have found 1060 for the nearly the same price as 480, so I have probably a winner. But will definitely do research about the 580 now.

How do i remove a stuck mainboard?
All screws are out but it doesn't loose.
I don't know what i should do.

Also i need a new case with real glas. Anybode have a recomendation?

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>>59971872
>>59971872
Pic related. Is how much your build is going to consume.

Do those "pre-activated" torrents actually work, or am I going to have to buy a legit copy of windows 10?

>>59972018
Oh. Nice, thank you anon.

>>59972003
is the IO shield holding it in?

>>59972018
>>59971872
Even if you go with heavily overclocked RX 580 it will consume around 300 watts.

>>59971740
Depends on budget

>>59972046
I think so but i can't pull it out

>>59972032
There is an unlimited free trial, why does nobody know this?

>>59972032
just buy a key from amazon.
Works fine and you get a "bill"

>>59971799
That's why you shouldn't buy Intel.

>>59971966
wtf are you talking about, nothing gets injected

>>59972032
Win 10 is garbage. Install Win 8.1 if you dont want 7.

>>59968878
Biostar never disappoints with fail motherboards.

There is practically 0 benefits to go for the X370 chipset.
Other than that both are absolute lowend motherboards.

>>59972117
Should be fine if you stored it in normal environment.

>>59972064
the shield usually snaps in place. might have to try lifting and pulling the motherboard up and away from the IO shield

>>59971824
x370

>>59972129
sealed, unopened, in a closet

>>59972135
Thanks.
With a little force it worked
Hope i didn't broke anything

>>59972181
No problem then. Its not milk, its not going to get bad with aging lul.

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Do you guys agree with this PSU calculator for this hypothetical computer?

http://outervision.com/b/nebq0X

>>59972271
Can you post specs here i dont wanna click that link.

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Well I did it /g/. I pulled the trigger on Ryzen. Selection of Am4 capable coolers at microcenter a shit, so I'll be sticking with the wraith spire it comes with. Hope it lives up to the hyper. Board came out to $120. I spent less than $60 out of pocket after warranties + store credit from returning my i7.

>>59972322
You fucking retard.

>>59972351
How so?

>>59972322
So fucking jelly. Congrats! Which Ryzen btw? 6 cores?

>>59967794
>I3 7350k.
>M8 those are about the price of the Ryzens here, no joke.
m8 those are the prices of Ryzens in the US, too.

>>59971868
that video is pretty interesting. I didn't know that you can have that much control over gpus. This means I can practically cap a gpu at 60fps if I want to.

>>59972385
R7-1700. 8c/16t

They were all out of both the 1600/1600X. Completely sold out. Apparently my local Microcenter can't keep them in stock they're selling so fast. That and the gigabyte gaming 3 B350. They're taking $50 off the motherboard as a bundle deal, so I can see why.

>>59972403
You must know very little then, you could always do that with any GPU by enabling V-sync, which matches your maximum fps with monitors refresh rate (most often 60) to prevent screen tearing.

>>59972308
Sure bro:

Motherboard: Desktop
Socket: Socket AM4
CPU: 1 x Ryzen 7 1800X
CPU Speed: 4200 MHz
CPU Vcore: 1.45 V
CPU Utilization: 90 %
Memory: 4 x 8GB DDR4 Module
Video Card Set 1: 1 x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
Core Clock: 1480 MHz
Memory Clock: 1251 MHz
Storage: 1 x M.2 SSD
Storage: 3 x SATA 7.2K RPM
Other Device: 1 x USB 2.0 Device
Other Device: 2 x USB 3.0 Device
Keyboard: 1 x Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: 1 x Gaming Mouse
Fan: 4 x 140mm

Computer Utilization: 16 hours per day

Load Wattage: 584 W
Recommended UPS rating: 1100 VA
Recommended PSU Wattage: 634 W

>>59972440
idk, I have a fuck old gpu that can barely handle sc2 or heroes of the storm. I'm worried about amd and their power consumption but that's pretty good when looking at wow for example.

>>59972440
also I'm very new to this since I never built an own pc before. You just look into that kind of stuff more if you build your own system I guess.

>>59971020
Its not tho. $400 vs 330. Jesus are we gonna go from cherry picking to blatant lies?

>>59969166
>>59969151
That case is pretty good as long as you have a semi-modular PSU, which he does.

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