/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Replaced the 7700k recommendation with 6700k in the OP. It's 99% the same shit overclocked, after all.
Tired of so many people getting Kabylakes that need to be delided. I don't know what the stats are, but it sure seems like a high as fuck number of people are getting 7700ks that idle at 45-55C and need deliding. It's much less common for the 6700k to need a delid.

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is it hard to change my graphic card?
can it destroy my pc if i do it bad?
how to choose a graphic card?

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Is this a good deal?
25,000 GBP =31,417.13USD

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>>59935714
Muh guts

>>59935682
No.
Possible, but very unlikely.
Pick a card that suits your use case and/or budget.

>>59935714
It doesn't seem that bad for a prebuilt with customized hard tubed watercooling.

>>59935763
fine, thank you anon

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>>59935682
No, you can't really break anything. But does your PSU even have 8 and/or 6 pin connectors for a GPU?
In a PC that bad, it might not, and may rely on PCIe power alone.

>how to choose a graphic card?
Depends on your location, but in the US and most of the europe the RX470 is the cheapest one worth buying.

>I didn't even know a GPU as bad as the 705 existed

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Is there a cheaper alternative to a MSI Gaming Radeon RX 480?
I can't find it cheaper than $240,

>>59935855
idk the sapphire nitro 8gb was $190 yesterday after rebait. Did you search newegg and amazon, and filter by cheapest?

Anything over $200, I wouldn't even buy it except maybe an XFX GTR. RX580s are $240-$270, it looks like.

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Hey,

I'm a beginner and here's my question :

How does one practice PC building ? I mean it's expensive to buy an entire one so...

>>59935877
I did.
Should I just get the MSI RX 470?
I'm doing a budget build

Did I do good anons
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3Ryh8K
Bought in December

>>59935906
read the parts manuals and try not to sperg out

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>>59935682
>>59935832
> >I didn't even know a GPU as bad as the 705 existed
Jesus hold my sides, it's worse than igpu.

>+∞%

>>59935909
The RX470 4GB is like over 90% as fast as the RX480 4GB.

I'd recommend the RX470 4GB for budget 1080p 60fps+ and the RX480 8GB for 1440p.

>>59935910
is this bait? You spent nearly as much on an i5-6500 and a $40 cooler that you could have gotten an i7-6700 for.

I guess much of /g/ were being tards and still recommending i5s back then even though it's been clear since like 2015 that i5s are a waste of money except in very niche cases then and none now.

>>59935832
hard to say about my PSU, i've never opened it.
don't you think AMD GPU's are bad for video games?

Come on OP! Stop with these shitty thread pictures

I'm a total retard, do I need a radiator for a NZXT S340 case?

Looking to build a decent gaming machine that can dual boot OSX, this is what I've got in mind. Any recommendations? Not sure how I feel about the motherboard.

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/tHb39W

>>59935972
I would have guessed that, senpai.

I bet it's based on the GTX400 series or something like that, and just die shrunk. It's not a "GK" die like the 710 or 720M.
That's the shit Nvidia used to do back in those days. I doubt it's actually Keplar.

>>59935972
you understand now why do i need to change it :(
i don't even understand why they put a powerful CPU with the most shitty GPU

>>59935909
Ordered the RX 470 actually myself yesterday. Was still rocking a GTX 670 but then the idea of selling it came to me.

Selling the 670 for about 60 and then buying the card ( on a huge sale ) for 175 will cost me merely 115 for a huge difference in graphical fidelity.

Just saw some benchmarks on the Witcher 3 and that ran amazing on high settings with that card. Ofcourse the guy used fast RAM and a high end processor but still, am probably gonna have some fun when this comes in the mail.

>>59936057
>ordering a 470 tomorrow when Rx500s come out literally tomorrow
You goddamn retard refund that shit tight now

>>59936057
This is the build I'm looking to buy
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JFyh8K

>>59936022
>don't you think AMD GPU's are bad for video games?
No? What? Their architecture and drivers are objectively better outside of perf-watt (but much of that lower perf/watt is offset by lower CPU usage).
They don't have big dies to compete against 1070 and up. But since you're upgrading from a 705, I'm guessing you have a 1080p 60hz monitor. It would be stupid to get more than an RX470 or RX570.

>>59936094
Depends on the price he got it for. I'm assuming he meant 175 euros so RX570 might cost more.

>>59936115
But why?
>i5
>$220 for an RX470
>shitty PSU
>dogshit wifi usb thing instead of getting a better one on the motherboard for basically free
>2666 ram on a board that supports 2400 mac
>$700 for this dogshit

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>>59936026

>>59936153
Sorry anon I'm literally retarded and have never built a PC before

>>59936153
oh ok thank you very much, i have a last question anon. i've been told my new gpu should be compatible with my motherboard; can you tell me how to check if it is?

>>59935714

>30,000 dollars

What?

>>59936094
No way, i've got it for 175 Euros, that shit's way too cheap. On top of that, the 5XX Series is merely rebranded right?

the 470 is the perfect choice given that the generally cheapest 470's are 210Eu AT LEAST.

>>59936115
Is the memory compatible with the MOBO? the highest frequency I see is 2400 whilst you have chosen for 2666 memory.

>>59936296
The RX 580 Cards should be out tomorrow, right?

>>59936320
Not sure, haven't been following GPU news a lot. Although i'm cautious because of Vega, another reason to get a cheap card now and invest in a Vega card when it comes out.

>>59936170
If getting an RX470, the price to look for is $110-$130 USD or Bong, or about 170 for EUR. They were these prices like every day 1-6 weeks ago.
They spiked in prices so you'll have to wait. Probably due to people doing Ryzen builds and finding out that Nvidia cards can run super shit on Ryzen in many games by AMD ones are super smooth most of the time.
Expectation is that they'll drop down to $130 or less again over the week with RX570s coming out which MSRP at like $170.

>>59936320
Yes. Some are already out in some stores.

>>59936254
idk dude what is your motherboard, PSU, and GPU?
You need the right PCIe generation support for the motherboard to match the GPU, and your PSU needs 8 and/or 6 pins to match the GPU power connector.

What PSU wattage for a ryzen 5 1600 or 1600X and a RX 480 gpu ?
400W is enough ?

So far does it seem like a 580 will be worth it or should I just pick up a 480 at a hopefully reduced price?

>>59935714
for what purpose ?

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What is the best gaming build for under $700?

>>59936381
If it's a good quality PSU, 400 is enough.
Do you have a monitor to see your wattage? If you're overclocking, you will want to see that it's not passing too high with the voltage you give it.

>>59936170
>>59936414
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XVVppb if you can bother to OC. 1500X if you won't.

>>59936395
Yes, it looks like the non-reference RX580s will be great for 1440p.
If you're doing 1080p 60fps, a 4GB RX470 is all you needed.

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I'm building a computer for video editing. Some guy on Reddit told me not to get an R7 and go for the 7700k which seems odd to me.

Here's my part list:
CPU: R7 1700 - $318
GPU: GTX 1050 ti - $145
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 2x8GB - $110
SSD: SanDisk 240GB - $74
HDD: WD 3TB Blue 5400rpm - $91
Motherboard: MSI ATX Tomahawk - $94
Power Supply: EVGA 500W - $36
Case: whatever is cheap and doesn't look like a power ranger - $40
Total: $905

Should I try to make a build with the 7700 and 7700k to compare to this one?

Should I make any changes to the above rig that will increase performance substantially with only minor cost increase?

>>59936423
In reality when you get high end processors for hobby video editing or editing at a slow pace (No hardcore deadlines present) the type of processor osn't that important. A 1700 will run great just like a 7700k.

The ram is important though so 16GB should be fine.

I used to do professional editing on a FX-6300 and that ran fine too.

>>59936422
>Do you have a monitor to see your wattage? If you're overclocking, you will want to see that it's not passing too high with the voltage you give it.
It's for a future build. I don't think I'll OC since I'm just gonna put it on a quiet case which isn't great when it comes to OC.
I was gonna pick a be quiet 400W gold certified.

>>59936422
>If you're doing 1080p 60fps, a 4GB RX470 is all you needed.
>b-but muuh future proof

>>59936423
but weren't the R7 better on anything but video games compared to the 7700K ?

here's my build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zkHHKZ

not sure if the ram is worth getting though.
also i already have an ssd

>>59936423
>leddit
Dont bother with them. Obviously they cannot comprehend in their pea sized brains that a cheaper 8 or 6 core CPU is better than a cpu that runs at 50C° idle

>>59936423
>reddit
/v/ tier advice

Your build looks pretty good, but you should probably get a small NVMe to use as a scratch disk.
Almost all production apps will have an option to set a scratch disk which improves performance a lot
https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/setting-system.html#specify_scratch_disks_to_improve_system_performance

>Should I try to make a build with the 7700k to compare to this one?
Don't bother. R7 is just the best overall for production except when you need over 64GB of RAM.

>>59936489
Not always true. Previewing even in audio programs will leave to samples dropping on a 7700k. Similar happens with video editing, where you can't smoothly scroll through the preview with a big video on a 7700k.
You can certainly get by with a 7700k, but it's not as good for it.

>>59936546
Why not get the Seasonic 420W fanless? It'll pull 600watt fine if you really need to as long as you have positive case pressure and your ambient temps aren't 100+ degrees

>>59936569
Future proof is saving $100 more to replace the card later.
The 470 on average gets like 75 FPS on games from the past few years. There's only a few you'd have to turn settings down and hardly see a difference.
Game requirements haven't exploded like they used to ever since GCN dropped.

>>59936593
>420 watt psu pulling 600w
Excuse me but what

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How good of a case is the Corsair 200R? Pic related.

>>59936649
I'm not sure regarding quality but the 270R is about the same price last I checked.

>>59936583
Get the ASRock pro4 mATX. It's $75 and another $10 off if you review it and submit that to ASRock, and a much better board. And get the Ripjaws or Geil RAM that's cheaper. Why pay more for corsair?
And get a 1600 instead if you'll overclock it, but otherwise the 1500X is fine.

>>59936626
>420 watt psu pulling 600w
>Excuse me but what
It's hilariously overbuilt in order to be able to deliver 420W with no fan, at high ambient temps, with no airflow except convection.
Most good PSUs are very underrated.
There is no arbitrary cut off limit on them when you surpass some wattage. They shut down based on sensors showing they aren't stable or are too hot, not because you pull too much wattage.

Go google it if you don't believe me.

>>59936649
It's ok. I don't like the lack of dust filters, though.
Shopping for cases is a pain.

>>59936675
I know. It's super hard to know which ones are aestheticly pleasing and have enough features without going into gaymur territory. I have nailed down something in the $60-$80 range but I have no idea what to get that's plain but quality and functional.

>>59936675
i think ill wait for the bios updates and reviews before i get a motherboard. Thanks for the advice on the ram though

Need a good 1080p 60fps budget build for around 600$, can anyone help me out?

I'm building a gaming rig for my gf. Is this decent? Any modifications?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qhX8vV

>>59936834
thats gonna be hard

but use this website to help you http://www.logicalincrements.com/

>>59936846
get a ryzen 5 cpu

>>59936846
For what fucking purpose..

>>59936846

>my gf
>relevancy to the question = 0

normies literally cant stop bragging about their gfs

>>59936834
60fps minimum? That's hard like the other anon said because usually that'd mean a g4560+rx470 but the g4560 will stutter and drop under 60fps in lots of games, and just won't plain run over 60 at all on some, too. If you can stretch to $700 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XVVppb

>>59936846
>I'm building a gaming rig for my gf.
>1050ti for $150
get her a better boyfriend imo

>>59936848
That website never seems to help anyone.
They put an i3-1600 with a 1050 on a z270 board based on it.

>>59936034
A rad is part of water cooling setup. If you're using a closed-loop (AIO) water cooler it will come with the appropriate radiator and fan(s) to be mounted in the appropriate spot. If you're using a traditional air cooler then no, no rad. If you're doing custom loop water cooling and asking this question then save time and stop what you're doing and just throw your PC in the trash.

>>59936846
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FTyh8K

>>59937085
Holy shit. I just realized how much he was spending for such a shitty PC despite already having the CPU paid for.

I'd get the ASRock pro4 and not pair an Nvidia GPU with the Ryzen, though.

>>59936846
Sell that CPU. It's trash. 3.0ghz old quad core. I'm pretty sure even a G4560 would outperform it in most cases. Maybe you can get 50bux for it from tards that really don't understand what they're buying on ebay.
Was Haswell after they fixed how you could overclock locked intel CPUs by hardware locking them?

PSA
Geil memory of this ID works good at advertised clocks on Gigabyte boards.

GEX416GB3200C16DC

I'm running Phenom II x4 965 with Asrock 970 extreme 3 with Gainward GTX 960. What Mobo/CPU combo could I replace it with if I wanted a smoother 720p or eventually 1080p gaming on a 400$ budget.

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retard here, i'm trying to overclock my FX 6300 and I can achieve 4.0 ghz but I can't go any higher. I was hoping to atleast get it to 4.2 or even higher but it isn't stable

any tips or is that as far as it's willing to go?

>>59937194
You can get a 1600+mobo+ram for $400 easy, dude.
That GPU is pretty garbage, but meh, just replace it later.

not sure if this is right thread
can anybody recommend a cheap trackball for me, available on Amazon UK?

>>59937163
No its just that the cpu prices arent up. He doesnt have the purchased setting on. Hes still retarded though

>>59935624
What the best Ryzen 1600 build?

>>59937217
I could do that for you, but whats your budget?

>>59937195
I don't see why 1.4v wouldn't be fine as long as you have the cooling and VRM cooling.
4.0 at 1.24v actually looks good for that chip afaik.

You'll spend more in electricity than if you just upgraded, though.

>>59937217
what does "best" mean? >>59936958 is probably the best for a reasonable $700 budget without skimping on too much.

>>59937202
Thanks man. I was kinda wary of going for that since it seems like too much muscle for my needs but I guess I should finally go into 2017. What RAM is good for 1600? The faster the better?

Can anyone recommend a cheap NAS build for streaming plex content? Should I go pre-built or build from scratch?

>>59937243
Ha, yeah. It's pretty overpowered but.. the 2500k and 2600k seemed like that when they came out, too.

You could just get a 1500X, that's still a big upgrade, but if you're willing to overclock the 1600 is unbeatable value.

>>59937226
Sorry if i did not specify.

Below $1k budget. CAD/Rendering use with very little gaming, also I'll be getting 2-32" 4k monitor separately.

>>59937236
Sorry.
Cad/rendering, very little gaming below $1k budget.

>>59937085
So this is a good one? Its pretty cheap on Amazon right now

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/MvkY7h
thoughts?

>>59937334
You can likely make a 1700 build for that. Depends if you need NVMe or not.
I know Blender supports OpenCL now and the RX480 is much better than the 1060 if you use that.

Look at the other builds and try and put one together.

>>59937340
Is what what?

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-Devils-Canyon-4GHz-Quad-Core-CPU-Processor-er-/182524596262?hash=item2a7f505026:g:vKcAAOSwmgJY63wb

>Intel Core i7-4790K Devils Canyon - 4GHz Quad-Core CPU Processor er
>Item condition:New
>Price: £10.33
>Postage: Free Services from outside UK
>Item location:张家界市, 湖南省, China
>Seller: ynv413796_9 (0 )

what did he mean by this?

I know you guys are gonna rip me to fucking shreds for asking this here but it's worth it.

Not interested in building a pc right now, I want to buy the pc already assembled as I need it for my business ASAP!

It's this pc okay for, photoshop, text editing, light video editing, multiple browsers running at once with multiple tabs open. Not really interested in the gaming shit, as I'll use this pc for my business only.

I currently have a crappy asus laptop on intel i3 and this shit can't handle my pc usage habit.

Here's comes the link....are you ready to call me a massive faggot?

Here goes... https://www.walmart.com/ip/CyberPowerPC-Gamer-Series-GUA4000W-Desktop-PC-with-AMD-Vishera-FX-8320-Processor-16GB-Memory-2TB-Hard-Drive-and-Windows-10-Home-Monitor-Not-Include/51578207

Please let me if this is good for what I need it for.

>>59937473
>reddit formatting
>r7 250 gpu
faggot

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What changes would you recommend?

Horizonal mATX mobo on cube case
- Front panel can only have one fan (12 to 20 cm)
- Top panel can take either 12 or 14cm fans
- Back pannel can take one 12 or 14cm fan
- CPU cooler is stock AMD Spire
- RAM is xboxhueg (6cm tall) because reasons

I'm completely lost on what pressure configuration should I use, and configuring the back fan as intake creates a really annoying hissing sound. Most standard tower coolers blowing to the back side would block RAM and the only top blowing one that does not is fucking expensive (Noctua C14S)

Is the MSI B350 Tomahawk still experiencing extremely long POST times?

>>59937473
Use the return button much?
>also
>fx

>>59937226
>I could do that for you, but whats your budget?
Not him but it would be great to get a second opinion or alternative build to what i have in mind. I'd really appreciate some input.
I don't really know how much i should invest into a Ryzen build. I assume DDR5 and AM5 (or whatever) won't be a thing until 2020 or later, but then i'd like to upgrade since DDR5 should be a considerable improvement if we look at past DDR improvements.
Location: EU Austria/Switzerland/Germany
Budget: about 1000€ without GPU (will either use my RX470 or upgrade to RX580 or Vega, meaning target is future 1440p freesync upgrade) and case (got R5), the less the better of course, i'm a greedy mountain jew.
Usage: Work (nothing too heavy, mostly light programming and webdev), Gaming but actually no AAA titles, standard desktop music, internet, etc. and probably some encoding etc. for music/movies and chinese cartoons.
Important features: good audio (needs to power my DT880 250 Ohm, my laptop is noisy as fuck), good VRM for stable 24/7 3.9ish OC that won't melt after a year, general reliability
Bonus features: dual BIOS, fan headers, Intel NIC
Things i don't care about: looks, RBG, retarded (((gaming))) features.

Rate? :
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b3hfjc

With the deals I find daily, I can get this build for around $554.71.
I have alternatives for the case and PSU:
PSU:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N9X3F8F/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Case:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=11-353-093

>>59937615
According to MSI forum unfortunately yes.

>>59937429
Thanks anon,
Im using Lumion to render scences, it uses a gaming engine for rendering so a gaming is a benefit.
does the rx480 drive 2-4k monitor?

I want to build a portable desktop for work purposes (heavy GIS utilization), 1080p streaming, and light vidya gaymen (DOTA2). Does this build look ok for my needs?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TF7Lnn

Should I get a 1440p monitor, or should I go for the 144HZ 1080p meme?

I don't really play any competitive games, so I couldn't give a fuck about high framerates.

>>59937597
I hate cube cases, but:
The CPU cooler shhould be blowing down to help cool the VRMs
>200mm in
>2x120mm and 140mm out
That looks like it'll be negative pressure.
Instead of being autistic about "top should always blow out cause heat rises!!!!! and rear blow out.. because!!!!" you should just have the the rear fan blowing in.
You really probably don't even need the fans up top and it's probably overkill.

>>59937686
RX480 8GB is great for 1440p. But not 4K.

>>59937707
You can get 1440p at higher hz. 85-165.
1080p is garbage imo.
I had 1600x1200 for the longest time. I could not drop down to 1920x1080.

>>59937517
>>59937643
I expected some criticism for the link I posted, wasn't expecting you faggots to criticize my way of writing. But this is 4chan after all and you guys are faggots.

Anyone else have any thoughts on the pc I'm wanting to buy? Thanks

>>59937661
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fZsTRG
Remove cpu cooler and get an R7 if you want more coarz

>>59937706
Why don't you get the pro4? Isn't it still $75-$10 if you review it?
Even if it's up to $75, it's a better fucking board for $5 more.
>geographic information systems
I remember FX were actually good at that stuff. I don't see why the Ryzen wouldn't be as well, and better even. So yeah, seems good.

>>59937730
Make one of those Ryzen 1600 builds posted that are under $700.

Is the Gigabyte Radeon RX 480 8GB Windforce worth it for 250 euros?

I found a Sapphire Radeon RX470 8GB Nitro+ OC for 230 which would you guys recommend?

>>59937769

Ill check out the pro4. Also, I'm concerned my case might be an issue from a heat management perspective. Would I be better off spending a little more for a better case with better ventilation?

>>59937665
Someone?

>>59937473
>>59937730
You already know that prebuilts are overpriced, you already said that we were going to call you a faggot. This is PC ****BUILDING**** general. Go see >>>/g/sqt/ or make a new thread

>>59937797
>Is the Gigabyte Radeon RX 480 8GB Windforce worth it for 250 euros?
fuck no. It's not even a good model.
The RX580 Aorus looks good on paper, but wait for reviews of it tomorrow or whatever.

>I found a Sapphire Radeon RX470 8GB Nitro+ OC for 230 which would you guys recommend
Why so expensive? You could get an RX480 8GB Nitro+ for $190 yesterday.

Skim the thread. At least ctrl+f it.
Advice for RX cards and price points to look for was given already.

>>59937665
I missed this. Uhh.
You're overpaying for the RX470. That's the MSRP for RX570s afaik.

Spend a little more for a better PSU. Seasonic 550RM should be $50 still at a number of places after rebate.
I don't think the $10 you're saving on slower RAM is worth it.

You could save like $50 going mATX as well.
It's inferior to that <$700 build posted with a 1600 which has a 525GB SSD as well. It'd be <$600 with a 1TB HDD instead.

>>59937870
>Why so expensive? You could get an RX480 8GB Nitro+ for $190 yesterday.

This is europe man

>>59937886
No, this is Patrick

>>59937886
That's still expensive.
Someone found a 175 euro RX470 the other day.

https://geizhals.eu/asus-rog-strix-radeon-rx-470-oc-90yv09j2-m0na00-a1488369.html

Microcenter bundles just increased in price Holy shit

Can someone advise me on whether or not I should be going Ryzen or Intel?

I'm trying to do gaming at ultra with 1440p/60. My budget is around $1,200.

I really want the Fractal R5 as a case. I'm torn on what mobo I should use and this is really my deciding factor.

>>59937769
I know nothing of building a pc, friend-o. I chose fucking walmart because I need the pc asap. And shitmart can have it ready in two days. I don't wanna wait weeks for all the parts of a pc to come in, then figure out how to assemble it.

Is the pc I'd like to buy any good? At least for what I need it for? Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks.

>>59937819
I'll check out sqt, thanks fren.

FSP Hyper S or Corsair VS550?

these are the only psus available locally that looks decent. ( and huntskey but i dont trust this)

>>59937962
>1440p/60
Ryzen

>>59937962
You'll be happy with whichever you buy.

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Hey /pcbg/, rate my build pls, looking for gaming in 60fps and 1080p to 1440p.

My first time doing, and some parts I choose for disponibility in my country.

>>59937985
look for one with a g4560 or g4620, I guess.

>>59938090
Get a motherboard that isn't garbage. Why don't you just go mATX?
PowerColor Red Dragon is one of the worst models, too.
>1080p to 1440p.
pick one.

>>59937962
>1440p

Ryzen without a doubt. AM4 will also support the next 2 generations of AMD CPUs so if you want to upgrade at a later point you'll save money.

>>59938090
You are going to struggle with 1440p with only 4gb. Its fine now, but this time next year it probably won't be.

Which should I choose
>7700 + 1070
or
>1600 + 580
?

>>59937726
>You really probably don't even need the fans up top and it's probably overkill.
Welp, you were right. Those were hand-me-downs from a friend that no longer used them so I thought they couldn't do any harm and were free after all, but getting rid of them plus installing the solid top noise dampener instead of the foam/mesh one not only shaved 5ºC off the temperatures, my PC is much more quieter now.

Yeah, they made sense when I used this case for an OC'd 3570K with a huge-ass tower cooler but now they were doing more harm that good creating some really bad air flow.

>>59937962
Ryzen is best value right now. But 1070 is best value GPU and doesnt play well with Ryzen. There's no easy answer.

>>59936423
At least half the people you see on subreddits where its mainly about buying things are actual employed shills trying to get you to buy their employer's products. At least on here we can call the shills faggots and can't get banned for doing that.

>>59938118
what mobo would you recommend, taking money into consideration.
power color is also one of the cheapest, so thats why i was going with it, but do you think that the price rise is worth paying, like , is powercolor really that shitty or is it ok?

>>59938152
>>59938118
My main focus is actually 1080p, I don't even have a monitor for 1440p, but I said more if opportunities arises.

>>59938166
1600 + 580

>>59937870
Thanks, I posted the R5 build you're talking about.
The RX470 I am getting for around $110
Yeah I'll check the PSUs.
I've heard mATX is not so good with Ryzen (mobos).

Lastly, where is that 1600 build you are talking about?

1080p@144hz, IPS monitor, FreeSync, 24"

Does not exist?

>>59938191
Some of the shit I have seen there though.

> Need a PC for youtubing, netflix and facebook gaming.
> i7 7700, but consider the 7700k if you the PC is constantly on.
>mfw when the retard confirms the purchase.

>>59938173
Yeah. The 1600 is going to be like 30-45% less heat coming out.

>>59938176
wtf? 1070 is not the best value GPU. You can get 2 RX480s 8GBs for its price.
Not that I'd recommend crossfire, but I'd still recommend it over a 1070 unless you can get one for $300.

You're better off saving the money and going with an RX480 8GB for 1440p. It won't play every game MAXED at 60fps 1440p, but if you turn down a few settings that don't perceptively change graphics, because max/ultra settings are just to rig benchmarks most of the time, it's fine.

>>59938231
mATX ASRock pro 4 or gigabyte gaming 3.

>>59938456
I don't see that much. Those people were literally recommended cheap G4560s in the last few threads from what I saw.

>>59938294
>Lastly, where is that 1600 build you are talking about?
This one: >>59936422

>I've heard mATX is not so good with Ryzen
Nope they're fine. Just don't get the MSI gaming pro or whatever it's called.
Get one with at least 4 VRM phases for the vcore.

>want decent performance in all resolutions
>gtx 1070 is sweet spot for price/perf
>but Nvidia + >4 cores is problematoc
>also buying a freesync monitor
>r9 fury is a good alternative, but worse performance in all categories
>$30 cheaper
>but vega is coming
>but vega most likely wont have a gtx 1070 competitor with a price like it because they are going after the big boy cards (gtx 1080, 1080ti, titan, etc.)

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>>59935624
Wanna build a PC that can play video games better than my Xbone (Yes I own one so sue me) at 1080p60 but I'd also like to use it for light video editing, recording, and streaming in conjunction with this 1280x1024 DELL secondary monitor I've been using to read manga on. The hardest game I can think of running on it would be The Witcher 3, which runs really bad on the Xbone let me tell you.
Something between $800-$850USD would be good, that seems to be the good budget for me right now. I for sure want to get this Corsair Air 240 case so it also needs to be mATX, and I think it'd also be nice if the finished machine had a red on black color scheme so I can admire it through the case window.
So far I have a build that looks something like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3xG9pb
but I'm not well-versed in this hardware stuff so point out any flaws if you see them. I also heard from a friend that 8GB RAM minimum is supposed to be bad nowadays, but I'm not sure if that's true.

>>59938535
Problems with this post
>xbone
>manga
>lower than 1080p

>>59938535
Even a g4560+RX470 is absurdly more powerful than an xbone. Which you can make for $450ish. You can make something cheaper, but not great price/performance for the long term, even cheaper.

>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3xG9pb
Your build looks okay, but don't get a 4GB RX480. Especially for that much money. Especially with RX500s launching tomorrow.
And get the asrock pro4 or gigabyte gaming 3 motherboard

Is Ryzen 7 a good idea if i want to do 120fps gaymen? I would go with a 7700k if it wasnt for the stuttering issues when mutitasking (but i think that can be fixed by locking at 120fps)

>>59938513
>but vega most likely wont have a gtx 1070 competitor
>what is vega11

>>59938631
>that can be fixed by locking at 120fps
How would this fix the issue exactly?

Is 1600 + Vega gonna be the most futureproof build?

>>59937188
Before wanting to upgrade to AM4 i'ved used GeIL ram as well. Always worked well, no problems. Went with GeIL this time as well, hope it runs well on the Gigabyte board i've ordered as well.

>>59938535
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zxsDFd

>>59938712
There are no futureproof builds.

>>59938654
It doesn't look like there will be a vega 11.
Probably just a cut down vega 10 with 10-15% of the CUs disabled, maybe lower clocks, 4GB HBM2 (which is like having 8GB generally, or maybe more depending how well the HBCC works)
Basically like how the RX470 is exactly that with Polaris.

>>59938694
If you lock the fps to under where you stutter down to, you don't notice the dips.
Like you can notice dips from 140 to 90fps. Just locking to 90fps will look smoother than going up and down from 140 to 90.

>>59938712
Probably. Won't know until benchmarks.

>>59938626
Only my secondary monitor is like that, it's a 5:4 I use when docking my laptop so I can multitask or do homework. Once I put this new PC together I'll start looking into a new 16:9 monitor for it.

>>59938630
The gigabyte is pricier but I don't wanna risk getting bad performance because of a $15 dollar difference, I'll go for that. I didn't know there were new AMD cards coming out tomorrow, I'll adjust my build when they come out. Maybe the 480 cards will see a price drop too, who knows.

>>59938739
>2666mhz ram
>8GB RX470
for what reason.
It'd make more sense to get a 4GB RX470 than that.

>>59938766
the mATX pro 4 is only seventy-five-fucking-dollars. $10 less if you review it and submit that to them for a rebate.

>>59938739
>500GB HDD
>ASUS for an AMD card
You can't seriously be recommending this shit to him can you?

>>59938761
>It doesn't look like there will be a vega 11.
There will be Vega 11. With 4gb HBM2 thus less complex interposer.

>>59938761
The problem isn't the stutters from 140 to 90fps, the problem is that it dips from like 150 to 20 and then back or has a full system hang for a half second at a time (which software frametime analysis doesn't catch)

>>59938761
>Like you can notice dips from 140 to 90fps. Just locking to 90fps will look smoother than going up and down from 140 to 90
But locking to 120fps won't fix jack shit

>>59938810
*if the stutters are significant

>>59938712
Possibly. But i would rather get a 1600X
>inb4 i can overmeme and get same perf
Thats your choice i guess
>>59938719
>GeLel
What kind of fucking brand name is that?
>>59938694
This
>>59938654
But with similar price?
>>59938786
I dont fucking know. Ive never bothered with amd gpus before. Also why not 2666 ram?
>>59938792
>500GB HDD
>why
Why not
>>59938795
I fucking hope so

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>>59938859
>But with similar price?
Probably. Someone would need to edit that.

>>59938798
yeah idk.
I've seen video capture of 7700k that seems worse than the frametimes usually do.
But the GTAV issue is known to be when the game goes over 160fps that it gets 100+ms hangs.

Not sure there's enough data to draw conclusions, but a 1600X does seem like the safer route.
And yes, even if the average FPS is lower in most cases, it has way more resources to spare for other shit running on your PC.

>>59938810
>>59938830
Yeah if it's STUTTERS, 75ms+ hangs or whatever you can preceive, yeah it won't fix shit.
But if it's dips like in Crysis 3 where it goes from 150fps down to 100 over a few seconds, just locking FPS lower does fix that.

>>59938859
>why not 2666 ram?
With Ryzen CPUs you want to get fast memory in order to avoid CPU bottlenecking. 3000 or 3200 is what's being recommended.

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/yRVksJ
Do your worst and roast me.

>>59938873
>WE HAVE EVEN MORE WINS
>BIGGER BARS
>shows temps and power consumption
Fucking kek

>>59938966
1600 instead of 1600x and get a fucking Taichi. Also
>Toshiba

So I built a new PC and bought 3000 MHz RAMs. Now by default they are throttled to 2133 MHz. If I want them to operate at 3000 MHz is it enough to enable XMP in the BIOS?

>>59937025
Yeah just using air. Thanks anon

Got a 7700K and a 1080Ti, currently have a 1080p/144hz but I dont game much anymore
Im planing on getting a ultrawide at 100hz or a 4k at 60hz, what would be the best option? I only play around 5 hours at a week but I work on my pc around 10 hours a day( Mostly text editing I dont do any video editing)

>>59939018
Should be all you need to do yeah. If it doesn't work then maybe your motherboard doesn't support such a speed.

>>59939045
No it does work, the reason I'm asking is whether I need to do something extra. I'm getting frequent BSOD's with MEMORY_MANAGEMENT error code. So I wondered whether I needed to adjust voltage or something.

>>59938987
>caring about power consumption when your card from 5 years ago still runs games at 1440p

>>59939018
> is it enough to enable XMP in the BIOS?
probably, yes.

>>59939043
>ultrawide
can't help you with shit taste.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VTnxjc

R8 my mATX build /pcbg/

>>59939089
>Asus Radeon
XFX

>>59939089
Get anything besides ANUS radeons.

>>59939009
Taichi is easy 100€ premium and not worth for me, i'm not going for extreme OC. Why 1600 though, isn't the 1600X better binned and has a higher chance for comfortable guaranted 3.9 daily OC without turning the VRM into nuclear waste?
>Toshiba
HGST is either unavailable or start at 160€.

Jewrope is technological stone age.. especially for the consumer.
>the internet is new land for us
t. Merkel

>>59939135
>Why 1600 though, isn't the 1600X better binned and has a higher chance for comfortable guaranted 3.9 daily OC without turning the VRM into nuclear waste?
The difference is marginal at best. It's all down to silicone lottery.

ryzen 1800x vs 7700k
want to livestream and play vidja only.

1920x1080@144hz w/ 1080ti if that matters.

>>59938694

Stuttering is caused by the CPU working a full load trying to push out 140+ fps, and a background process being activated in the process, which forces the CPU to allocate resources to that process, dropping frames in the process. If you lock at for example 120fps the CPU isnt working at full load anymore so it has free resources to dedicate to background processes

>>59938966
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pBrNjc
>germoney
>evga psu
>asrock mobo
>r5 meme
>some german cpu cooler
Here ill fix it up for you
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/FVD9pb
>im overestimating vegas price point just in case
>>59939068
I was laughing at the chart. Aremyou sure you replied to the right post?
>>59939009
>taishitty
Shit UEFI for overclocking
>>59939009
>RAMs
RAM POWER (meme, somebody post it)
>>59939179
The one with more cores, anon. Aka Ryzen. But just get 1600X or either 1700, x or non x

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How do the VGA ports on the Ryzen cards work? I would love to have it for use with a CRT, and there's like no GPU with pure VGA or DVI-I anymore.

>>59939262
>Shit UEFI for overclocking
But incredible power delivery. UEFI can be fixed.

>>59938859
GeIL
Golden Emperor International LTD

>>59939124
>>59939120
any basis for shitting on ASUS amd gpus?

>>59939281
When AM4 APUs release one day
>>59939294
Until it is, i wont bother. Assrock has always had bios problems. Either Gigabyte mobo is much better

>>59939089
>>59939120
The Strix isn't THAT bad, but it's still $170 for an RX470 which is ridiculous.
Wait for a sale, or get the RX570 which iirc MSRP is at $170 for.
RX470 are god-tier when you get them for $130 or less. Meh otherwise.

>>59939320
They just aren't a top brand for GPUs and their warranty service sucks.

>>59939262
>I was laughing at the chart. Aremyou sure you replied to the right post?
I know you were laughing at it. But it's still true.
Yeah, it has silly power consumption. Not Fermi bad, but pretty bad. But it's performance that has lasted so long is worth it.

>>59939320
I like them, but ive heard they have horrible Customer Service

>>59939009
>get a fucking Taich
fucking where? they're sold out across all stores.

>>59939332
>Either Gigabyte mobo is much better
>LED shitfest with no external BLCK generator
Eyy fuck off

>>59939179

Same exact situation here, im torn desu. 7700k is clearly the superior gaymen CPU, but the 1700x is so much better in anything else.

Also, if you're going to stream then 7700k isnt an option desu, go with Ryzen.

>>59939373
>external blck generator
What

>>59939320
ASUS is notorious for having recycled nVidia gpu heatsinks for their AMD aftermarket cards. This leads the majority of their cards to having bad temps, overheating issues, and even catching fire in one case. If you want an AMD card that's EVGA level you go with Saphhire.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/44YksJ
please note that i have a atx case

>>59939262
>NH-D9L
>worse cooler
>memegate
>ever
Nice fix.

>>59939400
>EVGA level you go with Saphhire.
You mean XFX?

>>59939382
The 7700k is not that much better at gaming.
It doesn't get 144fps in plenty of them. It's running 100% all threads all the time with no room for anything else.
A lot of frame times for the 1700 overclocked seem way smoother, too, even if the averages aren't as good.

The 1600 and 1700 are so damn good with gaming, except for a few outliers like Watch Dogs 2, that it should really not matter ESPECIALLY when you use your PC for more than just games.

What's the best mATX Ryzen board?

>>59939404
Good goy.

>>59939416
Was this the last of the bait you had left?

>>59939407
Im sorry that german pcpartpicker doesnt have the same god damn coolers that americans do

>>59939431
thanks shlomo

>>59939458
>t. blind retard
Next level autism.

>>59939418

In most cpu bound games the 7700k pulls way ahead by like 20-30+fps. Its not a small amount. Frametimes are higher as well on the 7700kk in most CPU bound games.

Not to say that Ryzen is bad, but it does noticably lag behind in Intel in gaymen.

>>59939404

>buying a lower clocked cpu with 1/3 the threads at the same price as a 1600

Are you retarded

>>59939404
>buying i5 when Ryzen 5 exists and Ryzen 3 is out tomorrow
If you insist, goy.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2MXDFd

>>59939585
>In most cpu bound games the 7700k pulls way ahead by like 20-30+fps
Maybe in 640x480, but not 1080p

>>59939382
>>59939262
Why a 1700/x over 1800x
i know it 20% less price for 5-7% less power.

>>59939660

Most 1700x will OC to 4ghz, 1800x is for people who need that extra .1 ghz to have a bigger e-peen

>>59939679
i don't need a bigger epeen, and I don't want to OC unless I have to, getting the CM h100i which I guess in turn could let me oc cause of liquid cooling buy yeah.

>>59939404
Is this bait? Why did you chose a single one of those parts?

What do you guys think of getting a high PPI or ultrawide monitor to accompany my 1080p 144hz? I do play games but not anymore than I'm in a web browser and some games would be better on high ppi over high refresh rate. Right now I have a shitty 23" 1080p panel next to the new 144hz and it looks really bad, colors are off, probably going to die soon too.

So I could order a cheap 4k 27" panel, a 1440p panel, or an ultrawide. I'm only looking to spend around 400.
Do any of you use a high ppi panel next to a 1080p and do you have any advice?

>>59939693

Nigger, a 1800x is binned and factory "over"clocked 1700x. You're literally paying them 150+ $ to do something you can do at home in like an hour or two

>>59939816
good to know.
1700x or 1700 is the decision

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>>59939428
>insufficient query

>>59939585
>In most cpu bound games the 7700k pulls way ahead by like 20-30+fps. Its not a small amount. Frametimes are higher as well on the 7700kk in most CPU bound games.
On day1 benchmarks, with an Nvidia GPU?
Not a reasonable comparison. There's way too much evidence from tons of people testing that the screwy results were all down to the Nvidia GPU fucking up on Ryzen, usually in DX12/Vulkan but not always.

We'll see the real comparison when Vega comes.
We already know that 1600+RX480 stomps the shit out of the 7600k+1060 even when the 7600k is 5Ghz overclocked.

>>59939831

Go with the 1700x, you're already getting an aftermarket cooler and most 1700s cap out at 3.8ghz.

>>59939816
>>59939831
Getting a 1800X is fine if you really don't care about the extra cost to get the absolute best, that's not worth it price-performance wise.
It makes more sense than spending $700 for a 1080Ti on a 1080p 60hz monitor when you're not rendering on it or anything either.

You can also get the 1800X for $425 off Jet.

Any one go from a SATA SSD to a good PCI-E nvme drive who just uses their computers for browsing and games? Would you suggest others do it if there's nothing else that immediately needs an upgrade? Using a 980ti(1600mhz), 6600k(4.8ghz), 16gb ddr4(3600 cl14), and a 500gb budget tlc ssd.
I just thought it might be a nice little upgrade, I bought into SATA SSDs super early and never ever regretted it. Spent $200 on a 64gb SSD back in jan 2011.

>>59939897
1080p144hz

>>59935624
>Vega comes in May
How sure is this? Would love to get back on the AMD GPU bandwagon, but if it's not out by end of may I'll go with the 1080

>>59939955
It's pretty certain.
There's already pictures of the ref card, the box.
Prey is coming out May 5th and is "optimized for Vega".
It's shown up some benchmark databases at lower clocks.
It's been being sold to enterprise clients for a few months.
And it was always "H1 2017". Pretty sure their target was March or April, but it got pushed back but will still be here by H1.

It's almost certainly coming May. It's just a question of when exactly in May.

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>fell for the MSI motherboard meme

What b350 motherboard isn't complete shit? I'm probably going to return this one I'm using right now

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Finally putting together this new Ryzen system, I can't find my regular syringe of thermal grease. Instead I've discovered a pair of tiny sealed metal tubes of zalman thermal grease (label says it's zinc oxide) that are probably 10 years old. Are they still safe to use?
It's 10pm here and I really don't want to drive anywhere to buy some now.

>>59940357
It'll be fine
I guess

Hey guys, need to buy a new pc and was thinking about getting the ryzen 1700 and the GTX 1070.

I will be using it for motion design works, mainly adobe after effects/illustrator and some 3d with cinema4d.
Some 1080p gaming too, i'm playing a lot of overwatch right now and i would like a build to get to 144 fps as i'm planning to upgrade to a 144hz monitor soon. Went with a nvidia video card to get CUDA support, very useful from what i see around the web.

Are there really problems getting a Nvidia GPU + Ryzen combo?

>>59940183
lol why?

>>59940357
You have a 1600, shouldn't the stock cooler come with thermal paste preapplied?

>>59940471
It was not sealed or covered properly, had some huge grains of dust/dirt on it.

>>59940357
>R5 1600
>Taichi
Serious question: Isn't that ridiculously overkill? Wouldn't an Asus Prime X370-Pro or ASRock X370 Fatal1ty K4 be enough for your desired OC?

I don't even have a job or money but I still like thinking about building a new computer.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Q7Jc7h

Doing a 1600 build, need some help.

>>59940556
1) I actually need that wifi, negating price difference
2) I'm full of hopes for the platform support and expect to upgrade cpu in about 2 years, maybe twice if AMD would release transitionary am4-am5 cpu (like Phenom 940 was)

Is the EVGA 500W B1 80 Plus Bronze good? Just need something that won't blow up until later this year

>>59940683
you can find that video card much cheaper.

>>59940709
Fair enough and the Taichi really is the best AM4 mobo. I hope for your that they'll fix the BCLK issue soon.
Sadly Taichi is too expensive for me, i'll have to go with the cheap Asus or ASRock X370 boards, potentially ASRock, and hope the NIKOS PowerPak fets don't melt.

>>59940357
sorry i can't answer your question (isn't zinc oxide what they used to make sunscreen out of?) but what RAM did you go with for your Ryzen build?

Is the Ryzen 1400 a good buy @ $170 free shipping?

Help me decide /pcbg/.

MSI B350 TOMAHAWK/TOMAHAWK ARCTIC
GIGABYTE GA-AB350-Gaming 3
ASRock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4
ASUS PRIME B350-PLUS

>>59940993
Really depends on what you plan on using it for.

Thinking of getting one of the cheap b350 boards with the 1600. It seams like even b350 boards allow it to OC to 3.9ghz. Just hoping that this does not come back to bite my ass later. Intending to use the stoke cooler btw. 3.8ghz will do fine.

>>59939846

Yeah but ill be getting a 1080 ti so i care about those nvidia results. Im definitely not the only one either

>>59940183
ASRock pro4, Gigabyte gaming 3.

Literally just fucking look at Newegg reviews and ignore the "way it was DoA because shipping damaged it" ones. They're pretty accurate, putting those bad boards at 3 stars or less.
There's lots of good B350 boards. Just a few that are such garbage.

>>59940709
Doesn't the X370 Killer have wifi for like $50 less?
But yeah it doesn't matter.

>>59940993
imo no. I'd only get a 1400 if it was like $150. It's significantly worse than the 1500X.
People are having trouble getting faster RAM running on the 1400s, it has half the cache, some seem to be really bad out of the bin, etc.

>>59941039
1.4v is fine on any B350 board as long as it has 4 VRMs or more. Don't get shit like the MSI Gaming that only has 3 phase VRMs with no heatsink unless you're just underclocking.
4-6 phase VRMs is all you need for an overclock on air (1.35-1.4v) especially if you have decent cooling for the VRMs and they have a heat sink.

>>59941021
Primarily gaming at 1080. I already own an RX 480 with a Phenom II CPU and while I was able to play Doom, Resident Evil 7 etc. kind of just want a modern CPU with better architecture. Not necessarily capable of twitch
streaming at decent quality at the moment so maybe with a new CPU that may be just fine. Of course occasional video editing, transcoding etc. and overall performance increase is very welcomed.

>>59935624
Information on speculated stats, features and prices for everything relating to x299, Skylake-X, Nvidia 11x0/20x0 series.

Thanks

>>59941136
The best value/performance option would be to purchase a 1600.

>>59941109
>Yeah but ill be getting a 1080 ti so i care about those nvidia results. Im definitely not the only one either
It's not like you can't avoid getting Vega instead, unless it really turns out to be a dud.

Crossfire support is actually generally good, too. 2x RX480 runs amazing with Ryzen. But that's more 1080 comparable than 1080ti.

>>59941136
1600+mobo+ram is under $400. Why not get that instead of the 1400?
1400 is still an upgrade.. but meh. 1500X and 1600 are way better.

>>59941147
There is no information on Volta.
Might be moving to a hardware scheduler (seems like something they must do at some point). There were rumors about stacked memory but their collaboration with JEDEC on that seems to have fallen through.

>>59941177
I'd actually be willing to pay $20 more for the 1500x. So you think the 1500x is a good choice for $189?

>>59941164
The 1600 is certainly intriguing but it's currently priced $50 more than the 1400. Do you think that is actually worth it? Really pushes my budget a bit.

Anyone here who has a 1600(X) on an ASRock Pro4 or K4 or Gigabyte G3 and can tell me something about OC capabilities with stock cooler or whatever you're using?
Meaning, what clockspeed at which voltage and what temps. I want to buy the next two days so i can have my new PC at weekend.

>>59941114
> Killer with wifi
Not available in my country. Not just "rare" or "preorder soon" but not a single mention on any retailer or supplier.

>>59940857
> isn't zinc oxide what they used to make sunscreen out of?
Apparently they used to or make a lot of stuff from it, from cement to liquid crystal panels to food. It's actually on the lists of environmentally hazardous materials and food additives safe for human consumption at the same time.
> but what RAM did you go with for your Ryzen build
Couldn't find any 4gb sticks with samsung so went with cheapest 3200 available, which happened to be amd-branded hynix. No idea who real manufacturer is.

>>59941228
1600 overclocked is the best deal. But if you don't want to overclock and don't want to spend more, the 1500X is still way better than an i5.

>>59941245
You can get the 1600 for $190 off Jet

The Ryzen 5 1600 is garbage. Even an G4560 has a single thread performance.

>>59941228
>>59941245
1500x is much better than 1400. They fucked up the 1400 somehow, probably the cache. But I can not honestly recommend a 4c/8t cpu in 2017 that can not do at least 4.5ghz. It will be severely lacking in every task withing 18 months. The 1600 is a significantly better deal. Significant enough to offset the price difference.

>>59941228

Get the 1600 instead

>>59941228
>>59941245
What is your overall budget for this build exactly?

>>59941308
about $330? I just need motherboard, CPU and RAM.

>>59941291
G4560 is a solid CPU for the price no denying that. It does however fall behind the Ryzen CPUs in gaming from what I saw. Looked like maybe 20 FPS less in some titles.

>>59935624
Should I get a Fractal Design R5 or S?

Don't need an optical drive.

>>59941329
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2NHrXH

Try and find an extra $30 and purchase a much better system.

>>59941357
The minimums and 1% lows say everything.

How does ryzen respond to running in single channel? Getting a single stick of 8gb 3200mhz ram for now. Intend to buy another after couple of months.

>>59941409
just curious why do you need 16GB of RAM? I haven't come close to running out of physical memory with 8GB. Can't even fathom it happening with 16GB.

>>59941364
Is that asrock mobo a 4 vrm phase one? Looks really cheap. Not the guy who is building that $330 system.

>>59941426
Just yesterday I saw ram usage reach 9.2gb when I was running BO3 with chrome open in the background. Plus all the new games that support 8 threads or more can actually use 6gb of ram by themselves right now. Not sure 8gb will be enough in a year.

>>59941432
4+3 just like the vast majority of b350 boards.

Amateur here, looking into the 1070 for gaming, but there are quite a few versions ranging from 420 to 500
Which one should I get?
https://azerty.nl/category/componenten/videokaarten/nvidia_geforce/nVidia_GeForce_GTX_1070#!sorting=12&limit=30&view=grid
(dutch site)

There's something I don't understand.

If, say, an R5 1600X can reach 4.1Ghz at stock settings in single-threaded operations given adequate cooling, doesn't that guarantee that the cores are stable up to 4.1Ghz, and doesn't that grantee a stable overclock to 4.1Ghz, given a pretty good cooler?

>>59941294
>They fucked up the 1400 somehow, probably the cache
Many of them are just from a terrible bin.

I believe that many 1400s actually had 8 working cores, but they worked shittily. Too shittily to sell them as a $330 1700. Probably couldn't meet those clocks at that TDP, and other issues.
So instead of having a lesser 8 core model with 8 poor cores, they disabled the 4 worst ones and half to cache to sell them at a much lower end.
Sometimes 1400s are fine and people hit 3.8 or 3.9ghz on them okay. But some of them seem to have problems on the same boards where 1500X and 1600 work perfectly fine where they can't get as high RAM working, they don't OC well under reasonable voltage, etc.

So yeah. I strongly don't recommend the 1400 unless they're on sale for really cheap and someone is aware of what they're getting.
Still better than an i5-7400, but you have 2 way better options for slightly more money.

>>59941364
Stop recommedning that board, you stupid faggots. It's just 4 phase VRMs with no fucking heatsink.
You can get a way better pro4 for $5 fucking more. Less if you review it.

>>59941432
See? Even that dude sees it's shit just by glancing at it. Get a clue.

>>59941513
It gets 4.1Ghz 2 core turbo by giving them like 1.475V
That does not guarantee you can get 4.1Ghz all-core overclock on 1.4V or less, no. However, it does seem to be common and likely as long as you configure your OC correctly.

>>59941509
I have no idea what's good for your country's prices. Even when those drop to $325 USD, I still think that's too expensive to for them.

>>59941563
>1.475V
Holy shit. But didn't AMD themselves say that voltages above 1.45 are unsafe in the long term?
How can the stock settings be like that?

>>59935624
>Nvidia GPU + Ryzen has issues in many games atm

Is this likely to stay a problem, or is there a possibility of this being fixed in the future?

>>59935624
>470 is all you need for 1080p
Since when? Why would you ever want 4GB of VRAM for gaymen?

>>59941606
Maybe NVIDIA will punch their clowns so they'd write some quality drivers.

Give X370 mobo recommendations to a guy that wants to overclock a 1600X to at least 4.0Ghz and gonna use the mobo long term to upgrade the CPU 2 to 3 gens from now.

>>59941563
What card do you suggest I get then? I can spend 400-500 euro's

>>59941602
2 core volt =/= all core volts
In terms of danger.

Fractal Design R2 or NZXT H440? They're both sexy as f and I can't decide

How worth is it to get an mATX mobo/case?

>>59941659
I'd unironically suggest you to wait for Vega since its the first major GCN overhaul.

>>59941655
ASRock X370 Taichi

Best non-ricer mid or full tower case?

>>59935624
What are the best 1070 models out there?

>>59941602
>Holy shit. But didn't AMD themselves say that voltages above 1.45 are unsafe in the long term?
Yes but it only does it for short periods. Not 24/7.

They don't recommend to go over 1.45v for 24/7 use but even then I'm sure the CPUs would last 5+ years with no major signs of degradation then.
So they can turbo to 1.475v on 2 cores now and then and not degrade them.

>How can the stock settings be like that?
Eh that's how it always is to ensure they're stable. Users don't want to see weird stuff happen due to unstability.
Just like how you can usually overclock a GPU like 3% over stock with no signs of instability on the stock voltage. Sometimes even 5-10% if you got lucky.
That software and tuning is set for a wide variety of how golden or not the silicon is.
In the future, this'll probably change and sensors will learn how golden a chip is to potentially set lower voltages.

>>59941617
Since pretty much every game stays under 4GB of VRAM as long as you turn the textures down from 4K textures when you can't even see that shit on 1080p.

>>59941659
I didn't see what you were using it for.
RX470 4GB is all you really need for 60fps @ 1080p. And RX580 8GB is all you need for 60fps @ 1440p.

If it's for 144hz or 4k, I'd wait for Vega either for Vega itself or the 1070/1080 price drops. 1070s are bad price/performance right now.

>>59941690
Very. Who uses more than 1 or 2 16x slot and/or one or two x1?

>>59941720
Fractal Design Define R5

>>59941695
Ok, I should've specified a price ceiling.

Nothing above $180 please.

Is the Asus PRIME X370 PRO a good choice? I was also mirin the ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 but they're more expensive than the ASUS in my country, and I can't find them anywhere.

Any other sugestions?
I forgot to mention I plan on using 3200Mhz RAM, so compatibility is important.

>>59941732
2 8x I should say.

>>59941744
ANUS X370 pro is bretty good with good power delivery but it fucking bricks itself. BECAUSE ANUS. THATS WHY.

God it makes me so fucking angry that there are people too retarded to put a black outline on their camouflaged text.

>>59941791
You monitor is shittily calibrated and/or shitty quality if you can't read any of that.

I'd normally agree, but since it's from a video there was always some point that the text was visible and it was obvious what they were indicating by the sound.

>>59941765
Is that widespread? What happened?

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>tfw the only hidpi monitors are made for macbook pros

is my holding out hope all in vain, /g/?

>>59935624
How long will it be until the RX 580 will have aftermarket cards?

>>59941886
just buy a Assrock taichi its the best x370 board out atm

>>59941994
Day 1? It's a refresh. With a bigger lineup though, looks like Gigabyte brought some non-shitty models.

I'm trying to understand difference between R5 cpus. If a 1600 and a 1700 with two cores disabled are both running at the same frequency, will they have identical performance? How about a 1600 vs 1600X at same frequency?

>>59942013
It's 100€ more expensive than the ASUS in my country!

>>59941985
Why can't you use Apple's monitor on your PC?

>>59942058
Sorry then. Next time choose a better womb.

>>59942074

it's thunderbolt 3, and, even if i had that port, the monitor's controls are baked into macOS, so i wouldn't be able to fiddle with it.

>>59942021
Do you know if they're going to be around the same price?

>>59942074
Dumb monitor without buttons. Can only configure though software.

>>59942167
Maybe. I'm no prophet though.

>>59942184
Maybe it will drop the 480 prices.

>>59942239
Depends on the model.

>>59941269
No one here with that setup already running although constantly recommended??

>>59935624
Does Ryzen really have problems with Nvidia GPUs? I want to upgrade to a Ryzen 1700 from my i7 2600. Should I go for it or is it not worth the the hazzle?

>>59942239
More importantly, 1060 prices.

>>59941617
There are 470 with 8 GiB.

>>59935624
Any micro atx cases that can use a high end gpu?

>>59941732
>not futureproofing your GPU
for what reason

>>59942285
Who the fuck buys 1060s?

>>59941732
>>59941746
Does it have any other differences besides a reduced RAM slot?

>>59942310
>futureproofing your GPU
Good joke! A GTX 970 which was 350€ last year is already to slow for 1080p.

>>59941744
If you're not a lazy shit and can afford to spend the $200, you can actually get the Taichi for $175 after a MIR. They're running a rebate on newegg and a special bonus for $15 if you leave a review.

Is a clearly visible drain line in a water loop acceptable?

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>>59942348
>europoors
What did I expect?

>>59942345
People who want good drivers and temps.

>>59942370
Novidea has no drivers and 30watts is no difference.

>>59941994
Looks like day1 or week1 to me. Red Devils and Aorus already gone out to reviewers.

>>59942167
Looks like $170 for RX570, $200 for RX580 4GB, and $240-$270 for RX580 8GB and OC cards.

>>59942284
>Does Ryzen really have problems with Nvidia GPUs
The OP picture says it all.
Every DX12/Vulkan game has problems. And so do some other games like Witcher 3.
The problems aren't just on Ryzen with Nvidia cards, too, but generally worse.

>>59942310
This isn't like the 7970 and 290X that were way-fucking-ahead of their time.

>>59942346
You don't want to use 4 RAM slots. It's slower. Unless all you're using is applications that you know don't benefit from better memory speeds and dual channel.
If you need 4 RAM slots you should be looking at X399 (or whatever AMD will call theirs) and X299.

>>59942355
I'm from Europe. The Taichi costs more than $300 here. And from what I see all the other Asrock stuff is extremely overpriced too. On the other hand, the Asus looks pretty accessible.

I had to Google to know that the hell a mail in rebate is. You guys sure have some exotic business practices.

>>59942472
Ah. I've never left the country so I'm not sure how the rest of the world is. Wish I could help you out some more but I'm obviously not familiar with the state of the pc parts market in Europe.

>>59942538
Neither do I apparently... My last previous mobo was an Asrock because it was pretty accessible. Not this time around it seems.

>>59942427
Wow, the Ryzen shilling nearly got me, going for the i7 7700.

>>59942592
>Locked corelet CPU on a dead socket
You sure showed us.

>>59942660
>dead socket
So intel is changing it in the future?

is the
>MSI B350 PC MATE
mobo any good? it's the cheapest non-M B350 here: https://www.morele.net/komputery/podzespoly-komputerowe/plyty-glowne-42/,,,,,,,p,0,,8173O1148150/1/ (which is probably the cheapest pc parts store in poland)

i'd be coupling that with an R5 1600 oc'd to 3.9~4.0 GHz, will it do?
can it last like 5 years or is it complete shite to break after a year?

i know what to look at when dealing with cpus and gpus but i'm completely lost on mobos, help pls

>>59942660
>Shilling a shitty CPU for a dead company
Wow you sure showed us Anon.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/evga-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-6144mb-gddr5-pci-express-3-0-graphics-card-black/5592426.p?skuId=5592426
Is this a decent deal?
Should I bite the bullet on this, or should I go with a different brand/model?

>>59942735
>1060
You know the fucking answer.

MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON
vs
ASUS PRIME X370-PRO

Go
The Asus is cheaper in my country by the way.

>>59942751
Prime has the same mosfets as C6H/Taichi so the choice is so obvious I woudn't even bother.

>>59942751
Only go for SUPER DUPER RGB GAMING PRO mobos.

Has anyone gotten a Cryorig AM4 upgrade kit yet? I heard they were getting sent out late March, but the email I received a couple days ago said they're still working on them.

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>>59942592
>>59942689

>>59942592
6700 is fine. Where did I say otherwise? Though have fun with your deliding that kabylake.

>>59942866
> but the email I received a couple days ago said they're still working on them.
shit really? I hope I don't have to pick up some temporary cooler for mine.

>>59942348
>is already to slow for 1080p
name one game that isn't unoptimized as fuck

also holy shit what the fuck is up with dvi to dvi prices

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>>59942924
It works fine and gets 60-90fps if you turn some settings down in this game...
but come on, you have to admit this is fucking hilarious.
8fps 0.1% lows while the fucking RX460 has 21.

>>59942908
The only thing I can find about the Cryorig upgrade kits is one person on reddit saying it got pushed back to mid-late April with no source.

Fuck, I shouldn't have listened to the one person who kept saying to get an H7. I'll finally get all my parts in tomorrow, but can't put it together because of the heatsink compatibility issues.

>>59942959
That's not 1080p you dumb fuck

found from /r/buildapcsales

>23" 7ms 48-75hz Freesync 1080p IPS.
>LED backlighting, refurbished, no VESA mounting
>$72
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-LI2364D-23-LED-backlit-LCD-IPS-Monitor-1920x1080-HDMI-VGA-Frameless-/262795813167?hash=item3d2fd9e12f:g:cB0AAOSwcUBYI6WH

>>59942348
970 was too slow for 1080p when it came out...

>>59942959
>if you turn some settings down in this game...
Nope, at normal rendering and at 1080p, you get a 80+ FPS at all times.
>woow the 3.5GB meme fails when pushed to a resolution that requires a lot of vram
holy shit what a shocker!!

of course it's an outdated card with a huge fucking flaw but if you already have one there's nearly 0 reason to upgrade unless you want to plunge into that sweet sweet 40fps action at 4k on everything

1440p or 144hz monitor? I can only afford 1.

>>59943068
>woow the 3.5GB meme fails when pushed to a resolution that requires a lot of vram
1440p is a normal resolution, you dumb faggot.

I was even being nice saying
>hey if you turn some settings down it's fine, but this is still funny
But no. You're a baby and obnoxious, so fuck you.

>>59943120
1440p 85hz is nice.

Probably a stupid question but if i'm not interested in overclocking i shouldn't get the 7700k and should get the 7700 instead? Is the only benefit overclocking? I ask because the 7700k shows better performance on benchmark sites.

Anyone making next thread?

>>59943233
That's in the OP, dude.
Yes, just get a locked 7700 and the cheapest z270 board just because the z270 supports higher speed RAM than B250. You save a ton of money that way.

Asus X370, ASRock X370 K4, Gigabyte B350 G3 or ASRock B350 K4.... which one should i get for 1600(X) maximum OC?

>>59943152
but the discussion wasn't about 1440p?

>>59943292
OC is voltage-limited but I'd get anus x370 due to quality mosfets.

>>59943322
So my poison is to hope my anus doesn't shit itself due to BIOS bricking (TM) feature?

2k budget, waiting for Vega.
I currently have a dell u2311h and an asus vh236h monitor. Should I buy a 144hz 1080p monitor for games like Overwatch, league of legends, Battlefield 1, and Doom?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ThMh8K

>>59943351
Yes. I wish you best luck.

>>59943292
What does the B350 K4 have over the Pro 4 that you need?
They appear to have the same VRMs. I mean can't see the MOSFETs under the heatsink, but looks like the same exact chokes.

But anyway, anything gaming3 or pro4 level is going to max out the Ryzen CPUs overclock as long as you have airflow over the motherboard heatsinks.
Even boards with 4 VRMs and not heatsinks can technically do it if you put some heatsinks on them and get some airflow over them, so I'd just recommend 4-6 with a heatsink and nothing more usually.

>>59943382
I haven't even purchased the ticket yet and i already want to get off this brick train.
Wish ASRock had not chosen NIKOS shitfets or at least doubled the lowside instead of going full jew on the VRM. This is why we can't have nice things.

>>59943300
Not him but jesus fuck are you nvidia shills dense? sub 30fps on 1440p is going to magically equate to 60+ fps on 1080p???

https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Metro-LL1.png
http://www.extremetech.com/wp-
content/uploads/2014/09/ARMA31.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/S/V/454639/gallery/AC4-FR_w_600.png
Sub 60fps

http://media.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2015/nvidia/gtx-960-benchmark-6.jpg
http://media.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2016/gpu/970-sli/sli-970-jc3-1080.png
Pathetic lows.


The 970 is going to be definitely sub 60fps for gaming next year. It didn't age well at all. Future proofing GPU's is retarded unless you're okay with downgrading the resolution of your then-4k/1440p card in a few years.