/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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anyone got a spare computer he doesnt need?

>>59910486
Ya for $350

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>>59910551

It's been a while since I did any build and I'm kinda lost regarding the state of installing windows.

Are there ways to safely activate (for free) Windows 10 from a clean install? What's the cheapest way to buy it if I decide to do it?
I've never bought Windows in my life but I remember seeing 10 for around 5 quid in game keys websites.

I need Windows 10 for muh DX12 btw.

>>59910638
Install gentoo

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Asked this a few threads back but didn't get any suggestions.

Giant retard here. Looking for a cheap gaming laptop, and laptopscribes recommends the Dell Inspiron 7559, which is super cheap at $670. But after looking at other places, I found a very similar laptop in the same series for $850 that also had good reviews, only difference being:

>Intel Core i5-7300HQ compared to i5 6300HQ
>Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti compared to GTX 960M

Is the difference worth the extra $200? Should I stick with the one on laptopscribes? Please don't recommend a desktop, gonna be a student with frequent traveling.

>>59910653
definitely

h115i or kraken x61?

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Consider the following:

I want to overclock a 1600 or 1600X Ryzen to the highest clock because I still need good single-threaded performance.
I plan on having the AM4 long-term and upgrade the CPU 2 or 3 gens from now.
I don't realistically need the extra features from X370.

What do you recommend me /g/? X370 or B350?
Will the X370 give me better chance to run stable @ 4Ghz with 3200Mhz memory?

>>59910444
I blame the Xbox

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ASRock x370 mITX coming soon.

And Microcode update tested:
>https://thetechaltar.com/amd-ryzen-agesa-1-0-0-4-testing/

>>59910653
The 7300 and 1050Ti are significantly better. Not 25% better, but significantly better and what I'd go for if I had to pick between the two.
The 1050Ti is going to be better on battery life than the 960M, too.

>>59910690
>I still need good single-threaded performance.
The 1600X hits 4.1Ghz stock if you mean literal single threaded stuff (it doesn't clock that high on 2/4t unless the other cores are lightly loaded.
It only hits like 3.8ghz all-core I think in most games, which means an overclock is generally better.

>Will the X370 give me better chance to run stable @ 4Ghz with 3200Mhz memory?
Not nessisarily. It's the quality and number of VRMs that matter.
People are getting 4ghz+ overclocks and 3200mhz memory on the ASRock Pro4 fine, which is only $65 for the mATX one.

>>59910678
uh which question is that "definitely" answering?

>Is the difference worth the extra $200?
>Should I stick with the one on laptopscribes?

>>59910653
buy w530 dont be a fag

>>59910645
>I need Windows 10 for muh DX12 btw.
Get out with your shitty stale maymay's.

>>59910653
I'd get the newer one. New full phat GPU's on laptops from Nvidia are sweet, that 1050ti is gonna blow the 960m out of the water. Maybe you'll get better storage and memory aswell.

>>59910762
>It's the quality and number of VRMs that matter.
Is there a roundup on that front about the AM4 boards? I'm a bit out of the loop.

>>59910653

What are these places? Im looking for a laptop but dont know where to look

>>59910789
Install gentoo, and use win10 in virtualbox with GPU passthrough.

>>59910794
You can see the number of them by looking at a picture of the motherboard, anon. The number of inducers, at least.

Some have 2 or 3 extra inducers on top. I think those aren't CPU VRMs but for overclocking the GPU with an APU. Not sure.

Where can I go for resources/information on building a web server? Obviously 99% of available pc building information on the internet is about gaming.

I mean things like component recommendations, minimum hardware specifications given predicted load and software running, etc.

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>>59910789
>>59910762
thx anons

>>59910444
Any cheap 32" 4k monitor?

Will this run anything at stable 4K FPS for the next 2 years?
Ryzen 7 1800x
1080ti MSI gaming x
Asus Crossshair VI
960EVO 500gb

>>59911166
what is wrong with your brain that caused you to think it would be a good idea to spend more than one thousand dollars on a computer. a computer that isn't even going to make you money! get a real hobby you stupid nerd

>>59911201

How does it feel being a poorfag?

>>59910895
>Install gentoo, and use win10 in virtualbox with GPU passthrough.
My question is still exactly the same. Do I activate it in any illicit way in the virtual machine or do I buy a product key?

That solved nothing. Please use some logic at least when you nonsensically regurgitate all these memes.

>>59911166
Why only 500gb SSD?
I don't understand people that'll spend 4x more on a GPU than an SSD.

Anyway, what FPS? 60FPS? Fuck no. The 1080Ti gets under 40FPS in lots of games at 4K TODAY. Older games. So how would it be good for games 2 years in the future if it can't even do all games today at 4K 60fps?
Wait for Vega, as it'll likely do significantly better at 4K, but I still don't think it'll do 4K 60fps min for everything.

>>59911339
less headache to buy a key from a wrecker.

>>59911401
GPU is the best investment for gaming, even with just 120gb or 240bg ssd you can swap/store only the games you're currently playing. Why do you need all your games doing nothing on a ssd?

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How terrible is this? RX580 seems out of my budget from the leaked prices.
I'll still wait since I won't be getting these parts until at the very best the 20th, but in the case they're simply better-clocked rehashes, should i run with this?

>>59911518
>investment
No it's not.
An SSD is what you'll have for 10 years or more.
The GPU you'll be replacing in a month or 2 years at most if 4K at 60fps minimum is your goal.

>>59911630
>RX580 is out of my budget
okay
>$235 for a crappy ASUS RX480
but that seems better value to you??

And get the Seasonic 550RM. I'm pretty sure it's still on sale until monday.

Get the 1600 for cheaper off Jet, go mATX motherboard, and use the savings to unfuck your build.

>i5 2500k and R5 1600x have same single core performance
>7600k is barely better
Did somebody just decide 5 years ago that CPUs don't need to get faster anymore?

>>59911704
That's ridiculous, an sdd will not last more than 5-6 years with heavy use. You can always sell a GPU, used sdd's have no value

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>Americans make more money, have better job opportunities, lower cost of living, and PC parts are 50% cheaper

>buy all the parts for new PC
>last thing to arrive is the H7 heatsink on Tuesday
>just found out I need an AM4 upgrade kit to use the heatsink on my mobo
Fuck, I don't want to wait any longer. I'm guessing it'll take at least a week for them to ship me the upgrade kit.

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>>59911811
No, a good SSD will last a long ass time as long as you're not using it as swap and not out of memory.

>>59911745
>Did somebody just decide 5 years ago that CPUs don't need to get faster anymore?
There is a limit to how far you can reasonably take single core performance.
You can't simply make the cores a lot bigger as it creates more latency and makes a lot more heat.

Over the next 5 years, I think at best we might see another 25% true IPC increase (as in, instruction-for-instruction), but clocks aren't going to reasonably go over 4.5Ghz.
The easiest way to increase IPC right now is to build cores a bit more vertically and to add vertical stacked memory next to the die as a L4 cache.

>i5 2500k and R5 1600x have same single core performance
That's not true. It's about 25% higher IPC. Though if you account for a 2500k overclocking to 4.5Ghz, then yeah it's closer.
And Ryzen is far, far better when it comes to virtualization, which is huge. IPC isn't the same for each instruction. It's just 6% behind on average than Kabylake, and its SMT is better.

>>59911880
>Americans make more mone
>have better job opportunities
lol. The latter ones are true, but not those two compared to many countries.

What are the best b350 boards currently? Looking to put together an R5 1600 build shortly.

>>59911630
Sapphire RX480 8GB
$190 after MiR
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202275

How much would /g/ be willing to pay for a Power Mac G5?
Might pick one up to use as a simple fileserver

DDR4 3600 Samsung B-die 2x8GB $109.
http://galaxstore.net/GALAX-HOF-DDR4-3600-MEMORY-16G%EF%BC%888G2%EF%BC%89_p_116.html
Holy shit that's really good.

Found these on /r/buildapcsales but you have to beware that there's a lot of shit there and lots of retards.

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what do you guys think of this ryzen build? I want the best bang for the buck but still be able to upgrade to crossfire and any new potential am4 cpus

GIGABYTE GA-AB350-GAMING 3
or
MSI B350 TOMAHAWK

>>59912185
Read the other responses to similar builds.

>>59912175
Single rake, too.

>>59912203
Gaming 3 unless you can verify the Tomahawk is finally fixed.

hey i want to buy a single fan AIO cooler but so confused about it

i selected a few options about it, here:

>Thermaltake Water 3.0 Performer C
>Antec Kuhler H2O H600 PRO
>NZXT Kraken X40 Hydro
>Deepcool Captain 120 EX
>Corsair Hydro H60 (SE)
>Cooler Master Seidon 120XL

also i will replace the fan too, which one is good? is noctua fan good?

>>59912221
>i want to buy a single fan AIO cooler
but why?

>>59912219
>unless you can verify the Tomahawk is finally fixed
Care to elaborate?

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damn so this is the best am4 mobo. something with gamer sht adn red leds everywhere top kek

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>>59912259
Some people have great experiences with it.
Others can't get their memory to decent speeds and it takes 20+ seconds to POST.
You can simply look at the reviews on Newegg?

>>59912302
No, the Taichi is the best enthusiast one.
And you can get a version of that board there that's plainer. The non-fatal1ty version, dumbass.

>>59910486
Just look around the trash in your city, I already have found 1 dual core athlon pc which is now an efficient ubuntu machine, 2 other pcs and a laptop. Perfect shitposting machines; I even gave one to my parents with Mint installed

>>59912243
small ITX pc case

I'm mainly going to vidya and emulate games.

Which CPU should I consider?

New job and living with folks, so no real money issues aside from the looming shadow of taxes.

I'm using pcpartpicker to check out PC components. I chose an Intel i7-7700 and an ASRock
H110M-ITX/ac motherboard. A warning popped up saying that some H110 chipset boards may need a BIOS update prior to using kaby lake-s CPUs. Does this specific model have this problem, or is it one of the ones that doesn't? I have a 3770k sitting around, could I update the BIOS using that?

>>59910444

>no mention of logical incriments anywhere

were you kicked off their dev team or something?

literally everything you do by autistically creating these threads is explained perfectly with pictures on their site

>>59912396
>small ITX pc case
Why not a Cryorig C1, or Noctua L9x65?

>>59912411
For emulators, an i3-7350k is generally by far the best. But for modern games that generally use 8 threads well, it is not.
Ryzen should theoretically be good, but unless it's an open source emulator the fag devs don't compile with AMD optimizations.

>>59912442
>no mention of logical incriments anywhere
Because every thread then has people asking "should I just chose one item from the 'good' category for my build" which makes a fucking awful build with some ass Z270 board, a i3-6100, and a 1050Ti. Just about the worst build you can imagine.
You must be retarded, since you think it's good. Nice reddit formatting, by the way.

>>59912426
Amazon reviews show people complaining about it.

>>59912463
Z270 is a great board you retard.

>>59912500
Z270 isn't a board, it's a chipset.
Further proving what an idiot you are.

>>59910773
Sounds $200 better to me. 1050Ti is about twice the performance as a 960M. 960M is comparable to a 750Ti.

>>59910444
Can anyone advise on how to choose a pc case?
I'm looking for a smallish case for a microATX motherboard.
preferably a "mini tower" although there doesn't seem to be any standard definitions. pcpartpicker doesn't even seem to list any mini towers, though I suspect some in their "mid tower" range could be called mini towers. But a case that's less than 42cm high would be good.

Also looking for a case that doesn't have air vents aside from at the front and back where the fans go. A lot of cases have vents on the side panels which let dust in.

>>59912463
Ryzen is sounding more and more appealing to me, frankly. A lot of bang for your buck.

I had heard they weren't the best for emulation though. Which is why I figured I'd ask since I like both modern and older stuff. Was thinking of going i7 at first, but I'm not sure now.

Either way it'd be a step up from this ancient quad-core I've been riding on for a long time now.

Hey /g/
As much as I love looking around for decent parts at decent prices, I realize that I really don't want to take the time to build a PC since I'm incredibly lazy.

Can anyone recommend a good custom PC builder website?
I've heard some scary things about CryberPower and I don't want to get screwed. Anyone hear anything about OriginPC?

>>59912591
>pcpartpicker doesn't even seem to list any mini towers
ignore this part, I had compatibilty filter on with incompatible parts.

>>59912520
You called it a board you mouth breathing fuck

>>59912591
I just go by mainly aesthetics and pricing + features desu. If you have to look at it everyday it's gotta look good.

>>59910653
A 960m can't run any game made after like 2008

>>59912617
No. You are going to get fucked hard with customs builder sites. Every single one of them charge out the ass and builds are notorious arriving dead

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>>59912609
Yeah, like I said myself, not the best for emulation.
On paper, they're fine which you can see in many applications.
But hobby developers, who suck cut Intel cock and who scam people out of money for emulators instead of open source them, generally have their emulators not running great on it.
If you just get a 1500X or 1600 and overclock it, I'm pretty sure you'll still get acceptable performance in PSCX 2, Dolphin, etc, but an i3-7350k is going to be the best.

Generally I'd recommend you make one HTPC type box specifically for emulation, and the another for your desktop that's good for games that aren't programmed and compiled nearly as shittily as those emulators and for your general desktop use where Ryzen is far better.
You also didn't state your budget.

>>59912591
I like to have one to route wires behind the motherboard.
I also prefer the PSU at the top-front where drive bays would usually go, as it's the most space efficient. Or top-back but with the PSU flipped so it doesn't take in hot air off the CPU if it's one with optical drives.
I don't like the bottom mount PSU meme as it leaves lots of empty space at the bottom middle, and bottom front. Though they are the roomiest for custom watercooling loops, but I still don't like them.
Avoid ones made to fit 16 hard drives as no one does that, and they're inefficient layouts for that anyway.

>>59912631
No I said
>some ass Z270 board
not
>Z270 is a great board
Just quit posting. Leave 4chan. You're making more and more of an embarrassment about yourself. Not only do you not know shit, but your reading comprehension is terrible as well (which probably contributes to you not knowing shit).

What's the secret for keeping your build dust free? I can pull enough dust to make a wig out of mine every 3 weeks or so.

>>59911811
>That's ridiculous, an sdd will not last more than 5-6 years with heavy use.
This isn't 10 years ago, lad.

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/SSD/M2M/html/support/warranty.html
A 500GB EVO has, by warranty, a life of 150TBW: 150 Terabytes of writes at minimum. I wouldn't be surprised if lasts double that. To put this into perspective:

150TB = 150,000GB.
150,000 / (10 x 365) = ~41.

At warranty minimum, your SSD will last for ten years IF you write 41GB to it every single day of those ten years. I'm not sure what you mean by "heavy use", but I highly doubt it's 41GB.

>inb4 heavy use is at least double that just to prove me wrong

>>59912708
>he overpaid for ricer mb instead of getting a cheap, functional, and comfy Z270

We are all laughing at you right now.

>>59912712
Air purifier

>>59912712
keep the room clean. take showers you filthy fuck

>>59912185
>cpu
Great choice.

>mobo
Are you even planning on OC'ing? Or running SLI? If OC'ing, you're still spending too much.

>corsair 3000
Just get Ripjaw at 3200. It's a better brand and the better ram speed is worth the 10 bucks. Why do people even buy Corsair?

>ssd
It's fine, but 500 is a minimum for gaming really. You will eat through that 275 fast.

>gpu
Wait for the RX 500, they'll probably be about 20 dollars more and be way better.

>>59910444

daily reminder this is all you need

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2P7jCy

only thing that's optional is the mobo and the ram, go with what ever is cheapest when you order

i would go with a 1 stick 8gb but a sale this good for 2 dimms will be fine, just makes it harder to upgrade if you ever wanted to bump up to another 8 gig stick in the future

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3dJ9pb

Posting again to say thanks for the help over the last couple days.

'Gaming' build - not planning on any resolutions above 1080 w/ 2 144Hz monitors anytime soon at all. Should be overkill or futureproofed at least for awhile

>>59912708
>Just quit posting. Leave 4chan. You're making more and more of an embarrassment about yourself. Not only do you not know shit, but your reading comprehension is terrible as well (which probably contributes to you not knowing shit).
Fucking rekt. Good job putting that faggot in his place, Anon.

>>59912708
I didn't state my budget mainly because I wasn't really asking for somebody to build me a PC, just some advice on what to get.

Was going to post my build at a later time and see what others had to say from there.

But if you must know, I'm sitting on like $2000 US right now, so...I guess that?

Also could run PCSX2 okay'ish on this 2.4(?)ghz quad core from over 6 years ago, can't imagine Ryzen being worse.

>>59912786
I think you might be better off getting a 1600X

>>59912805
Not him. A 2000$ PC is enthusiast. You can get 1440p 144hz with 1500, easily (unless you don't have a monitor yet).

>>59912853
Yeah, I'm aware. Mainly why I was just asking for what's generally the best for games and emulating and why a budget wasn't a huge concern for me right now.

>>59912074
>2500k overclocking to 4.5Ghz
Yeah, I was comparing my own tests of my 4.4ghz 2500k to review tests of the 1600x.
Stock 2500k seems on part with stock 1600.

>>59912782
Can this do 1440p 144hz?

>>59912786
Don't mix Ryzen and Nvidia. Did you not read the OP?

>>59912805
>But if you must know, I'm sitting on like $2000 US right now, so...I guess that?
I'd spend like $850-$1200 on a 1600/1600X PC.
Like so:
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jZ9Y7h
With that Sapphire 8GB RX480 that's on sale for $190 right now, an RX580, or wait for Vega.

Then I'd get a tiny box with just a mITX motherboard, 250GB SSD, i3-7350k, and a Noctua L9i

You'd still have money left over for a nice monitor.
But if you want to emulate at 4K, you'd need to wait a year for the second generation of Zen APUs and hope they do ones with HBM2. Intel integrated GPUs are good for 1080p@60fps in Dolphin and most emulators, but not 4K at all.
I think the 1600 overclocked to 4Ghz will handle emulators pretty alright, though, and you can just try it and have money left over to make a dedicated little emulator box if not or just to do that too anyway.

If the 1600 at 4ghz won't run emulators well (it might not. I've seen issues in Cemu, but that's new), it makes the most sense to make a specific emulator box instead of gimping your desktop to get emulator performance as well with it at the cost of everything else.

>>59912958
It's fine if they just don't play DX12/Vulkan shit. But that is a lot of money for a 1070.

>>59912786
You'll need a CPU cooler

>>59912888
Best as in raw power? Or best for price/performance?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wQMNjc
This build is pretty much ideal without going too overboard, but it's definitely not the best price/performance.

>>59912966
>Don't play DX12

So you are making a machine that isn't future proof at all? Basically you'll play games made last year and earlier?

What's a good all in one cooler for my 6700k in a s340 elite?

>>59912987
Pretty much yeah, Im not done ricing out TF2 to get the maximum frames. Running DX8.1

>>59912971
Not with a 1700 you don't. What're you talking about?

>>59912976
Isn't that a 6 phase board? I don't think you're going to get much of an overclock. I can't find OC results done on that board at all.
Isn't 6 phase VRMs basically the recommendation to run a 7700k stock?

>>59912987
idk. Some people plan to just upgrade their GPU every year or 2. I wouldn't advise for it, but that's what some people do.

Does anyone know which brand to get for the RX 580? EU here by the way.

>>59912971
>>59913024
I heard the Wraith cooler that comes included is fine if I dont plan to do anything too strenuous

>>59913024
I haven't really kept up with Kaby Lake mobos DESU. You're probably right, but still, a better mobo would cost maybe 40$ extra tops.

>>59912463
it's for heavy work

>>59912966
I might make a dedicated emulator box later.

>4K
No thanks. I don't see much point in getting that high a resolution if I'm more than content with monitors in the 1080/1440 ranges. 4k's are a bit too big for my desk area.

>>59912976
I was leaning more towards power

>>59913041
Don't know yet.
So far I heard of some people getting near 1480mhz on the XFX GTS with only like a 12mv increase, which is pretty crazy.
But the overclocking utility was having problems with giving much more voltage and higher clocks, as good of perf/watt that is.

The Red Devil is looking really nice. 6 phase full VRMs and 8+6 pin. If that doesn't hit 1600+ on air, I'll be disappointed.

>>59913049
Yes. You usually can't get a decent Z270 board that you can actually overclock on for less than $110. Anything cheaper, and even many $110 boards, are only for the faster memory (B250 only supports 2400) and not for overclocking on. The decent ones are usually in the $140+ range except when there are sales.
Meanwhile, you can get a $65-$95 B350 board that's good for 1.4v overclocks.

You can generally get a good idea of the power delivery just by looking at the board..

>>59913051
Huh? Copy what you're responding to. That doesn't make sense to any of those for me.
Are you trying to say a single fan radiator is going to out perform the Cryorig C1? lol, no.

>480 is $250
>1070 is $450

What's the middle ground?

>>59913097
>1440p
>power
Well the build I gave you, with an exception to the mobo, is probably what you want. Expect 1440p with ~100fps with most games.

>>59913129
r9 fury for 350

>>59913129
1070 is 375 bud

>>59913099
too large and i need good air circulation and more RAM slot

>>59913129
The GTX 980? 300? Or R9 Fury? Middle ground is pointless desu.

>>59913097
There are 24" 4K monitors.

It's about pixel density and not needing so much anti-aliasing. It's actually really nice.

>I was leaning more towards power
Do you want to OC or not?
1600, 1600X, 1700, and 1800X are all good options.
Just use >>59912966 that I linked earlier as a basis.

>>59913129
>What's the middle ground?
When you can find a 1070 for $325 then.
But even then that's not that good considering how often you can get an 8GB RX480 for $190, not $250.
1070 should be 50% better for what it costs, but it's not.

You used to be able to get the R9 Fury for $240 up until like 2 days ago. That was the middle ground between the $190 RX480 and the $325-$380 1070.

>>59913162
R9 Fury isn't worth that. It's often worse than the 1070 even at 4k. Unless it's DX12 maybe? idk.

I'm not even sure where to start with picking out parts so hopefully you guys can help.
I emulate with Dolphin, and play a lot of Dwarf Fortress and Elite Dangerous, and usually play big AAA games a year or two after release.
My primary monitor is 1440p144hz, but as long as I can average about 90fps and never dip below 60 it's fine.
95% of my time when not gaming I'm using Firefox and doing C++ programming in Visual Studio.
Would like to keep price around $600.
I'm going to buy a Vega GPU when they are released so don't worry about GPUs now.

>>59911880
>America has a net loss of jobs almost every year.

>Money that is worth less than a lot of other currencies.

>Work more hours for less money and less benefits

>Government is anti-worker no matter what party you pick.

Stay where you are, I'm leaving soon.

>>59913209
>600$
>90fps @ 1440p
Pick fucking one.

>>59913209
$600? jesus
About all you can do with that is a G4560. Which will drop almost to around 30fps in a lot of games.
But a Vega GPU will bottleneck the fuck out of that and might cost as much as that entire $600.
And if you went Ryzen, you wouldn't have an iGPU to use until Vega comes.

You could probably make a locked 7700 system for $600, just barely, if you don't get an SSD or anything like that.

>>59913221
my 2500k+r9 290 got 60fps at 1440 on most games at high settings already

>>59913226
Forgot to mention I got a 250GB SSD and 1TB HDD for free so don't add those either.

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>>59913218
Wrong

>real unemployment 4.3%
>Obama created 10 million new jobs
>university grads are making 60-100k starting
>trades shortage, new apprentices mak $20/h starting and $45/h after 5 years
>USD is stronger than almost every other currency, CAD and AUD are wrecked, Euros are becoming worthless, GBP is garbage since brexit
>average house is only 250k

I am NOT an American, I am a Canadian and these are my observations after talking to hundreds of Americans and doing in-depth economic research since 2009

>tfw Fractal Design R5 is going for around $140 right now
>bought one for $80 in November

Just thought I'd share thanks for watching please like and subscribe

>>59913255
>my 2500k+r9 290 got 60fps at 1440 on most games at high settings already
Those two alone are over 600, so what's your fucking point?

I need a tiny workstation computer that can run most of the Adobe CC programs as fast as possible. It needs to output to two monitors, one 2160p with 10-bit color via HDMI2.0 and the other a standard 1080p via DP or HDMI.

I'd prefer it if it had a Thunderbolt3 connector so I can use one of those fast external RAID boxes to write directly on them.

I've got a budget of $1200. The more performance I can get, the better. Thanks in advanced if you help me out.

>>59913218
>>59913263
Yeah, this isn't 2010 anymore. We bounced back after the recession while the rest of the western countries keep declining.

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>lights, colors, stupid neckbeard gamer designs, and fucking gaudy plastic shit covering everything

Why doesn't any company make minimalist components?

>>59913325
be quiet!

>>59913293
I just want to build a decent PC without a GPU for $600 right now.
My basement flooded and destroyed a lot of my gaming stuff, and that's all the money I have right now until my insurance company get off their lazy asses.

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What do you guys do with all the boxes for components? Do you keep them somewhere or toss them? I usually keep the manuals for everything in one of the boxes but then toss everything else.

>>59913255
>>59913333
>Forgot to mention I got a 250GB SSD and 1TB HDD for free so don't add those either.
Oh and you already have a 290?
Get the 1600 or 1600X. That's a no brainer. That'll be well under $600.

Just https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mW8BJV and remove the shit you don't need. Simple.

>>59913339
I don't keep them unless it's something I think will break and is worth warrantying like the GPU.

>>59913333
>basement flooded
Kek. Perpetuating the basement-dweller stereotype, huh?

If you already have storage and don't need a GPU, here's something around 600 that should get you close to your goal:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fNFksJ

>>59913352
>already have a 290
Haven't had a way to test it but it probably doesn't work anymore. I do have a 6950 laying around if I need a GPU for something.
>>59913379
It's my own house, I just do most of my gaming in my basement because I don't have any spare rooms and it's 10 degrees (F) cooler down there.

>>59913410
The 6950 is going to be perfectly fine, too. Just install the latest drivers that supports it.

>>59913379
That build is good too, though I'd get the Seasonic 550RM. And you can get the CPU for $20 cheaper from JET.

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>>59913325
The worst part is doing comparison and it turns out three of the parts you're going to buy have an red and black color scheme. At least none of them have leds.

>>59913444
>>59913379
>>59913352
http://galaxstore.net/GALAX-HOF-DDR4-3600-MEMORY-16G%EF%BC%888G2%EF%BC%89_p_116.html
Is the best RAM to get right now.
Runs as 3200 CL14 on Ryzen for only $109 for 2x8GB.

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>>59913463
Out of stock

>>59913352
>>59913379
>>59913444
Alright, thanks guys
I'll just remember to keep my PC on my desk instead of the floor this time.

>>59913463
It's out of stock and searching the product number only give Japanese results.
Where did you find that?

>>59913263
Unemployment figures are skewed by constant goal post moving and changing definitions of what unemployment means by the government definition. If you stop looking for a job after a certain amount of months they stop considering you unemployed even if you would otherwise want one, but cant get one for whatever reason. There is a lot of gerrymandering of statistics and bullshit when it comes to this here because employment statistics rile US citizens who otherwise hate numbers into a hot lather.

Obama created jobs amongst a sea of bankruptcies, foreclosures and overseas job flight. A microcosm of this situation was Trump saying he "saved" hundreds of jobs as Carrier still moved thousands south. These are small boats trying to ride against a tsunami in the middle of the Pacific.

University grads face unprecedentedly large competition from other university grads to fight over fewer and fewer jobs. It's an employers market and no trends show this getting better in the opposite direction. This is also judging the economy by a rather small subset of workers. I guess you can say fuck the rest of the people like most channers of 4 will be inclined to do, but here we're arguing for a better country overall.

Projection about the currency we might start to do better against others in the long run, but the current situation here doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence concerning that.

1/3 of owned homes under water in most states net income is going downward and poverty is increasing. Health care and college related bankruptcy is strangling most people to death fiscally before they can even get their life started. Canada is also doing bad right now which helped the rosy tint you have but I assure you things aren't great here, put the Muslims aside for a second and consider Europe/other Satellite states.

>>59910444
Why is DX12 so garbage?

>>59913493
>>59913496
Well shit. That's what happens to really good sales. Is was fine an hour ago.

Found it on /r/buildapcsales

>>59913527
DX11 and OpenGL are garbage.
AZDO of them is okay-ish, but still not as good.

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Does this B250 only support Intel CPUs? The compatibility specs only list Intel shit.

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>>59913502
https://econimica.blogspot.ca/2017/02/stuff-to-think-about-this-sunday.html

https://econimica.blogspot.ca/2016/11/what-world-looks-like-x-africa.html

Looks like the perpetual growth meme is finally ending and we're entering a Japanese era of stagnation and decline, not even immigration can save the economy now because every other country is heading the same way

>>59913571
>B250
Yes

>>59913527
Microsoft is like 98% Pajeets on H-1B Visas.

>>59913571
What should it support? Cyrix?

>>59910444
Hello /pcbg/, ive got a few questions about a type of pc I wanna get into.

I've been looking to get a gaming pc, possibly build it myself, though i have no experience. I saw some links for builds like this one: http://pcgamehaven.com/best-800-dollar-gaming-pc-build/

Would this be a good base to work off of? I've been looking into a pc that can run Fallout 4 or Dark Souls 3 or the like on high to ultra settings at least at around 40-50 fps. I kinda can have a budget aroun 700-800, but i think a base pc at this price would be like 750, up to 850 if adding in cost of a monitor, OS, keyboard, etc.

Is this build good or is parts of it unnecessary? I don't know much about having an SSD separate, but loading times dont bother me, and id like to get a pc in a smaller tower, for space, etc. Thanks for any help.

I may be slow to get back to any posts, im home from school this weekend, forgot my laptop charger, and now typing this post on a 2002 windows xp netbook.

>>59912776
what mobo do you suggest that can do crossfire?

>>59913606
I did also see this too: http://pcpartpicker.com/guide/9c7Ycf/modest-gaming-build
What about this one?

>>59913571
No. You can always glue a Qualcomm SoC in that little hole on the LGA socket to enhance your north bridge throughput.

>>59913201
Mind if I ask where you got Windows 10 for $20?

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So what do you guys do with your old PC after a new build? I have my new PC up and running and my old one is just sitting by the door to my room. I feel kinda bad, we had a lot of fun times together but he's just too old now.

>>59913642
Just download it from microsoft and buy key from seller on ebay. They're usually very cheap and legit

>>59913606
>>59913627
You need to inform yourself on what the components are exactly, and for that you need to lurk and ask a lot of questions. Don't copy some build you saw just because you think it's less effort than spend a few days or a week really finding the perfect build for your needs.

My opinion is that i5 is shit and you should either aim for a 7700 non-K or see what Ryzen has to offer for you.

>>59913609
Doesn't even the $65 Asrock AB350M Pro 4 do crossfire?

>>59913627
Read the OP. i5 are completely worthless and useless now.
Why not look at some of the other suggestions given to people in the thread?

>>59913642
Kinguin with buyer protection (or else they might revoke the key and resell it)
Reputable ebay sellers can work like >>59913657 said but might be money wasted.

>>59913653
Isnt nagato getting bumfucked by a sports team from one of the most 'recent' LNs

>>59913653
If it's decent, sell it.
Otherwise I sometimes keep something like the GPU as a back up one if it's not too old (like a gtx 270, radeon 4850 or newer)

>>59913678
mainly i've been looking at pc specs needed for the games i want to play, and at other's builds for the similar needs. Im not sure on which questions to ask. At least, what kinda video card should I be looking at? Is the memory on it (2bg - 4gb) most important or is there a more modern card I should be taking a look into? Also what is a good mother board for gaming? If that mattters?

>>59913653
Give it my family members. They pretty much all just live off my hand-me-down builds.

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>>59913718
This is it, I don't really think it's worth keeping around. Still, it feels weird to just toss it (I guess I have to find some sort of e-waste recycling center)

>>59913609
Do they even make ones that don't do crossfire any more?

>>59910638
You can get OEM keys for cheap from sites like Kinguin. No guarantee they'll work, or that they won't get deactivated in the future, it's a gamble. You can pirate it pretty easily, though. Just google for "mydigitallife KMSPico" and the first result should be the official thread for it.

>>59913748
Don't recycle it. Either sell it or repurpose it into something else like a plex server or an HTPC.

>>59913748
Frankly, I hate myself for not keeping my tbird 1.33...
That thing was godly. The first PC I made. I had store bought ones with celerons or P3s before then..
Before that, I thought running like shit and constantly freezing was just something that PCs did.

I wish I still had it and could make a keychain out of it or something. :( But I'd have trashed the rest.

>>59913680
And yes, that board supports Crossfire.

>>59913760
Yes. Ones without slots for x8. Like the AB350M-HDV.

>>59913352
>I don't keep them unless it's something I think will break and is worth warrantying like the GPU.

Do you need the original box to warranty a component?

>>59913840
>Do you need the original box to warranty a component?
read your warranty info, dur

Is the Ryzen stock cooler good enough for overclocking?

>>59913860
Its good enough to get something like the 1600 up to 3.7.

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>>59913745
4GB is the minimum you should be looking for.

Here is a list of the current most popular graphic cards. RX580 and VEGA are also coming "soon".

Does anyone have that page that detailed pc building that someone was doing?

It detailed the parts and what they're for and what you need to look for. Was just like a single page that kinda looked like a PDF but wasn't.
Really need something better than the logicalincrements shitty guides they have that quick, concise, and more accurate.

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What's a solid, retro-looking keyboard?

>>59914011
How does only 30% framerates on the 1070, on old launch drivers for the RX480, justify it costing twice as much?
People actually buy those cards in droves. I don't understand it.

https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=PS-SSR550R&c=CJ

Should I get this now? I don't plan on building a PC for a few months, but I know this is a good deal, 50 dollars total.

>>59914148
It's the same one that's been recommended 10 times in this thread, so what do you think?

>>59914187
I'm not asking for now. I'm asking if, in 3-6 months, something else will pop up that'll have me kicking myself for not waiting. Hopefully someone here has enough experience to make a good estimate on that.

Just learned of the ROG Swift PG27UQ monitor and wanting to buy one when they release. What kind of graphics solution am I looking to need to run games in 4K at over 60 fps? Would one GTX 1080 TI be enough or would I have to look into SLI?

I want to be able to get the build done in time to play Destiny 2 in 4k. I am out of the loop on tech releases, is the next line of GPUs releasing this year, and if so when would that happen? Would it be worth it to just wait until the next release.

So what are some things you guys do after building a PC or upgrading your current one? Do you install a specific game or program to get a feel for your new hardware? Do you do anything special at all?

>>59914217
No. You will not find a semi modular PSU that good for that price, most likely.
You might see deals for a full modular one of similar quality for $60-$75. But semi-modular is good enough, 550W is all you need, and that's one of the best quality gold rated PSUs.

>>59914266
No, 1080Ti does not do 4k 60fps minimum in all games.
> I am out of the loop on tech releases, is the next line of GPUs releasing this year, and if so when would that happen
Next month should be RX Vega. And historically, AMD GPUs are far, far, far better at 1440p and 4K.

>>59914305
Merge my workspace stuff over.

>>59914305
Unigen Heaven/Valley and 3DMark for benchmarking and Artifact checking. For games, I use Battlefield 4 for overclock stability on the GPU; It usually crashes quick if it's unstable.

What's the difference between the Intel and Realtek network controllers?
Everybody is saying the Intel one is better, but nobody says how or why.

>>59914326
You might want to get a 5Gbp/s one. Besides that, I'm not sure.

>>59914321
>No. You will not find a semi modular PSU that good for that price, most likely.
Thanks, Anon. I just bought it.

Best motherboards for Ryzen?
I've heard asrock has bricks with latest bios, and msi has lots of problems with fast ram.
Looking at B350 boards.

>>59914321

The monitor is G-Sync though. Any idea when the next generation of GeForce cards is coming out?

>>59914266
>Destiny 2
>buying tons of expensive hardware just to play a shitty console port
beyond pathetic

>>59914460
asrock x370 fatality or taichi for sure

for b350 its prob whatever has the most phases and is still cheap

>most phases

That's the "VRM" from that one reddit list?

Whats the best price/gb/perf HDD under $100 thats 1 terabyte or over? Preferably quiet, 7200RPM

>>59914498
Aware that it is a shitty console port and will look shit anyway. I was using the release as a reference as to when I want to fro the build and that time frame will factor into the part selection.

Obviously it isn't just for the one game, I would hope it could run games at 4k into the future. Also potentially wanted to check out VR.

>>59914266
>using SLI/crossfire with any GPU with performance better than a 1060 3GB/RX480 4GB

>>59914460
>I've heard asrock has bricks with latest bios
so update your BIOS correctly, dur.

>>59914496
>The monitor is G-Sync though. Any idea when the next generation of GeForce cards is coming out?
Q2 2018 most likely for Volta.
Why are quick to drop $1500 on some GPUS but not getting a new Freesync 2 monitor for HDR10, though? Makes no sense to me.

>>59914555
phases of VRMs, yes.
ASRock still has 6+3+3 phases even on their cheap $65 mATX Pro 4 board.

>>59914560
Hitachi 0F10311. Not sure about noise though.

what is the general consensus on this mini itx build /pcbg/

>Fractal Design Node 304 case
>i7 7700
>MSI Z270I mobo
>Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 G1
>Corsair Hydro H60 (got this laying around from old build)
>Samsung Evo 850 500gb
>G.Skill Ripjaws V F4-3200C16D-16GVKB 16GB
>Corsair RM750x PSU

Probably going to get my hands on a Dell s2716dg in the coming weeks to go along with this build. Its mostly for gaming, some photo importing and very light editing. I've only built one PC in my life, a mini itx build in a bitfenix prodigy a few years back and I didn't have any dramas back then.


Im open to any criticism, particularly for RAM and which brand of 1080 to get.

Trying to keep it under 1500 CAD. How did I do?


https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/dLNmvV

>>59914655
>intel SSD
avoid

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>>59914655
>white case

>>59914653
Vega is almost certainly going to be the best for mITX since they're so small and supposed to be even more power efficient than Pascal.

>>59914655
Eh. You could save more going mATX and the Intel 600p is fucking garbage. Get an MX300.
I would imagine you could find a cheaper GPU, too.
And I'll never understand why you people pay more for Corsair 3000 instead of getting Ripjaws 3200 that's cheaper.

My internet seems a bit slow with this new PC, any chance it could be a driver issue or something? I updated the LAN driver but it still feels sluggish

>>59914700
Did it ever occur to you to go into more detail regarding an issue. For all I know you could be on a bentium 4 running SpurdOS.

>>59914653
>i-i-i7 7-7-700k-k-k
shit cpu just get ryzen instead

Why is DDR4 ram so expensive now?

A year ago 16GB was $80 or less, now it is $120 or more.

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>m.2 or sata3
>board Asrock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4

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Did I massively fuck up by getting the 480 8gb? I was told that it would be perfect for video editing. But now my shit is overpowered for it. Might return it when it gets here.

Also: is thermal paste that comes with this cooler any good? Or should I buy a different paste?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wqgh8K

>>59914691
If I wait for Vega in the next month or so, I may as well just do a ryzen cpu shouldn't I? as opposed to the i7 7700

>>59914691
>And I'll never understand why you people pay more for Corsair 3000 instead of getting Ripjaws 3200 that's cheaper.
Me neither.

>>59914785
Every tech youtuber says its perfect for it.

>>59913768
It's really that fucking easy? Jesus.

>>59914785
>But now my shit is overpowered for it
>overpowered
So the rx 480 is too good or what?

>>59914718
I mean just in general, could it be a driver issue or is it more likely that my internet connection is fucky? I've never heard of it being a driver thing before but I'm just wondering.

>>59914770
Look for 850 EVO.

WD Blue SSD is overpriced.

>>59914802
I've just been wondering if my build is overkill for that video card.

>>59914770
That board has two m.2 slots, why not use one?

>>59914823
Why is it overpriced. I thought WD made he best HDD.

>>59914826
The second m.2 slot disables the 3rd sata port.

>>59914845
The best HDDs, but not the best SSDs, they are sandisk rebrands.

>>59914762
>Why is DDR4 ram so expensive now?
Because smart phones use it now.

>>59914770
How are we supposed to answer this for you? You decide.

>>59914785
OVERPOWERED.
Idk yeah. I'm pretty sure I told you the 4GB RX470 would be fine and way cheaper, but whatever. People always heavily underestimate the 8GB RX480 which is more of a 1440p card on average.
>is thermal paste that comes with this cooler any good
Yes. Very good.

>>59914791
Yes. Ryzen+AMD GPU works way, way better together for DX12/Vulkan.

>>59914849
Which one will last longer m2. or ssd?

>>59914672
>>59914691
>>59914797

Thanks guys. How about now?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/t87jCy

>>59914845
Also if a SSD doesnt use 3D NAND dont bother with it.

Which 240GB SSD is better? Zotac T500 or Sandisk SSD Plus?

>>59914865
850 EVO.

SSD Plus is a bad SSD.

Read this:
>>59914858

>>59914849
Hey, I remember you. Thanks for helping me out, brother. Started getting my parts today's. Got the motherboard, power supply, and case today. I'm excited. I hope I can build it without fucking something up.

>>59914653
>gigabyte
You chose well my friend. But why buy any i7 if it isnt the top of their line? Might as well buy Ryzen 5

>>59914849
Smart phones were a mistake.

>>59914824
It isn't. RX 480 is a budget card, in no way is it overkill.

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>>59914858
>>59914870
>>59914848
I guess I'll stick with normal SSD.

>>59914894
>RX 480 is a budget card, in no way is it overkill.
The 8gb? Budget for 1440p, maybe. It's high endfor 1080p.


https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H9fBJV
What do you guys think? Ignore the Sandisk SSD if it pop ups. There's a PNY for the same price. Will most likely get a RX 580 when it comes out. 1440p gaming.

>>59910444
I'm looking to make a pretty good gaming computer. Probably aiming for 1080p and 144hz where I can. I play HOTS a lot so I know this is overkill for it. Want to get into Overwatch and play a bunch of AAA titles I haven't been able to play on my Surface Pro 3.

Here's my build as of right now:

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JtcKRG
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JtcKRG/by_merchant/

>CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($218.39 @ NCIX US)
>Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($94.79 @ OutletPC)
>Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($67.56 @ Amazon)
>Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($144.49 @ OutletPC)
>Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 480 8GB ROG STRIX Video Card ($209.99)
>Case: Thermaltake Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($57.99 @ Amazon)
>Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz)
>Monitor: Acer XF240H 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor ($199.99 @ Amazon)
>Keyboard: Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro L Wired Standard Keyboard ($135.09 @ Amazon)
>Total: $1208.28


Video card is tentative since I'm waiting to see how the RX 500s do in just a few days. From my understanding, Vega is going to be outside of my price range, and I'm dying to pull the gun on this so I don't particularly want to way another month.

Monitor and Keyboard are placeholders for the most part. I do like that Acer monitor because it's 1080p/144hz and Freesync, while being cheap. Keyboard seems like a nice one but it costs fuck you money imo.

I went with the Crucial 525gb SSD after reading y'alls suggestion on doing just an SSD to start. I had a Crucial 240gb SSD + WD 1tb HDD at first.

I like the idea of a small build with the micor ATX, but I worry that getting everything inside might be tough. Does anyone have experience with the same case or a similar one?

>>59914906
Check ADATA SU800.

>>59914882
true, the more of think about it the more I realise I should probably just stop being an inpatient cunt and just wait for Vega and do a Vega-ryzen build

thanks m8

>>59914920
Get more/faster RAM. 2x8gb 3200, instead. SeaSonic 550 is 50$ after a rebate. You don't need fully modular.

>1080p
Then get the 470 now, while you still can. That thing is getting more expensive every day.

>>59914920
You should really get 3200 ram

>>59914913
RX 480 8GB can't do 144hz for 1440p. It's barely good enough for 1080p 144hz.

>>59914854
They should be the exact same drive in different form factors.
Why don't you look up the TBW for them each?

>>59914855
Get a mATX case, too. That'll be cheaper. You should probably just get a 4GB RX470 too since you're just doing 1080p. They're a heck of a lot cheaper.

>>59914894
1050 and RX460 are budget cards.
The RX470 4GB plays pretty much everything at 60fps minimum 1080p. At worst you might have to turn down one or two settings that don't perceptively change the graphics. Max/Ultra is a joke and just made to rig benchmarks, and not make the game look better.
I wouldn't call that "budget". It just happens to be fantastic performance cheaper than ever compared to any other card in the past.

The only thing I can think of that's really compareable is... the original 9600pro or 9700pro, maybe?

>>59914877
np. What'd you get?

>>59914955
Only get VEGA when it's HBM2. If it's GDDR5 again, forget it.

>>59914913
>>59914920
oh man lol, we've got some pretty similar builds

>>59914958
if I want >muh future proof should I still snag a 470? or just go with bigger?

also >>59914958
>>59914960
I usually put that, but went down to shave a few bucks.

>>59914967
>RX 480 8GB can't do 144hz for 1440p.
So? Do you think a card that can't do 144 @ 1440p is a fucking budget card? A fucking 1080 can't even do every game 144fps at 1440p.

>>59914971
>RX470 4GB plays pretty much everything at 60fps minimum 1080p.
My idea of budget seems to be different from yours.
144FPS minimum, 1080p. 60FPS is just too old.

>>59914980
Which proves that a 1080 is really not all that different from a 980 aside from driver optimization from nvidia's side.
A 1080 is an overpriced budget card anyway. Way overpriced.

>>59914971
I got this with your awesome help:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wqgh8K

What do you think?

>>59914913
That's a really good build but I'm not sure I agree with the GPU that everyone keeps choosing.
Is it actually great and I'm wrong?
You can get the Sapphire 8GB RX480 Nitro for $190 right now. And really I'd usually just recommend the 4Gb RX470 because its price/perf is crazy when they're on sale.

If you're doing 1440p, it's best to wait for the RX580 since it looks like 8+6 pin ones should go over 1500mhz easy and get better than R9 Fury performance in a lot of cases. Really should wait to see reviews on the new Red Devil and Aorus.

>>59914920
Why don't you spend a tad more for faster memory?
And again.. RX480 8GB probably isn't the best value for 1080p.
I'd also recommend the Seasonic 550RM that you can find for $50 right now over the G3. Not fully modular, but isn't semi-modular good enough?

>>59914967
No shit? But it does 60fps min 1440p in most cases fine. There's just a few games it needs an overclock to reach that, or to turn down settings that don't change anything.

Is it really worth getting 3200 rated DDR4 RAM? Or is it better to buy a 2400 or such and manually overclock it to 3200? Im asking because Im building a new Ryzen system with either the G.skill TridentZ or Ripjaws V, whichever one /g/ reccomends.

>>59914974
>I usually put that, but went down to shave a few bucks.
Not a good place to shave money. Get a cheaper SSD/non-meme keyboard, instead.

>>59915007
>1080
>budget card
You're a fucking moron. Go back to /v/, idiot.

>>59915023
>You can get the Sapphire 8GB RX480 Nitro for $190 right now.
AAAAAAAAH GIMME AMERICAN PRICES NAO
FUCKKKKK THE 3RD WOOORLD

>>59915034
Mexico here, we can too.

>>59915027
why bother with an overpriced 1080 when you're only playing on a 1080p monitor to begin with and it can't even do 144Hz on 1440p or higher res
I want a high end single GPU solution to run 144Hz 4k, fuck having SLI/Xfire

>>59915034
Do you have craigslist or some other vsriant in your country? Try looking on there

>>59915023
>I'm not sure I agree with the GPU that everyone keeps choosing.
>Is it actually great and I'm wrong?
Hard to tell until it comes out, isn't it? If it's got a good price/performance like the 470/480 have then it's definitely worth it for a year or two or future-proof.

>You can get the Sapphire 8GB RX480 Nitro for $190 right now
I'm aware. In fact, I'd hate to get burned if the RX 580 sells for like $290 and all the 480 deals are gone. I'd be out a good 60 dollars of price/performance.

>>59915057
Welcome to Canada.
It's a 3rd world country now.

>>59910486
>>59912383
University electronic waste is also a great place to look. Usually there's only one things wrong with a given piece, sometimes nothing.

>>59915056
>I want a high end single GPU solution to run 144Hz 4k
Doesn't exist. 4k @ 60fps mins doesn't even exist. You're calling every GPU a budget card because of your incredibly snobbish high standards. If you want 4k 144hz you will have to wait at least a few years. If you want 144hz 1440p, you will have to have multi-gpus.

>>59915015
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wqgh8K
If you want to try overclocking i would get a 1700 instead

that cpu is more or less only for people who are completely unwilling to overclock

>>59915074
>If you want 4k 144hz you will have to wait at least a few years.
Try 10.

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who knew shopping for HDD could be so frustrating

fuck it i'll just get Crucial MX300 525GB M.2

>>59915107
For $10 more you could get a Samsung 850 EVO M.2
Definitely worth it.

>>59915107
Good choice. I have the SATA 750GB version.

>>59915107
Get a 850 EVO, they are worth it.

>>59915125
>>59915132
What are the chances the EVO will flush performance down the drain over time the way the 840 EVOs do compared to their Pro counterpart?

>>59915125
>>59915132

>Samsung 500gb
>Crucial 525gb

>>59915025
>Is it really worth getting 3200 rated DDR4 RAM? Or is it better to buy a 2400 or such and manually overclock it to 3200
Meh I'm doing this but I don't think it's going to be worth it.
I needed 32GB for work and could not justify the prices for 2x16GB of decent RAM.
Still waiting on my board and AM4 mounting kit, though, to see how the OC goes.

If you do see some RAM that is advertised 2666 @ 1.2v with CL15, there is a good chance you could probably hit 2933 or 3200 on it and still be CL18 or lower at 1.35v.

If someone would start making a one-page sort of guide with pictures, that'd be something good to have on it.

>>59915058
No I mean that people keep putting the "Asus Radeon RX 480 8GB Dual OC Video Card" in their pcpartspicker when the Sapphire Nitro 8GB RX480 is $190 right now.
These cards rotate every day which is on sale for $190-$210.
And RX580 are coming out ... now pretty much. Looks like $260-$270 for the high end model which is easily worth it over $240 for that Asus one.

>>59915034
Psst. 2 weeks ago you could get an RX470 for $85.

>>59915081
2 Vega x2 cards should do it, or does that not work? I know CF x4 often doesn't work, which what that essentially is.
But I wouldn't be surprised if 2 normal mainstream Vega cards does it in a few games like Prey. I expect that card to be super good at 4K.

>>59915125
But it's less storage. 480GB? The MX300 is really good.
But yeah get the 850 Evo, honestly. Get the MX300 for a 1.1TB second drive after that when you fill your 500GB up.
>>59915140
It's fast enough. Yeah it's SATA not NVMe, obviously. But fast SATA is good enough to where 99% of people won't see the difference.

>>59915140
0, for something its really reccomended and so far the best SATA SSD.

>>59915145
The extra 25GB is overhead, so you really have 498GB. The Samsung 500GB? Even less than 500GB total.

>>59915140
Been using a 240GB 850 Evo for almost 2 years with no problems or slowdown

>>59915149
Why would anyone even buy Asus gpus when they have this bad practice of slapping Nvidia coolers on their AMD gpus?

>>59915015
Oh, did you get the Strix when it was cheaper a while ago?
I hope your Tomahawk works out, people have been having problems with them lately.

>>59915149
>No I mean that people keep putting the "Asus Radeon RX 480 8GB Dual OC Video Card" in their pcpartspicker when the Sapphire Nitro 8GB RX480 is $190 right now.
It's because partspicker isn't showing it. If you look at my build, you'll see I used a parametric filter on RX 480 8GB, and that's the cheapest one it gave me. They also aren't showing the Seasonic 550 with the 20$ rebate.

>>59915155
850 EVO is more reliable against Crucial "MLC" and doesnt have the SLC cache problem most SSDs do.

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>>59915178
No reason, except when they're the cheapest one on sale.
The ROG Strix is a lot better than the dual OC one people keep posting, and I think it was like $190 last week.

>>59914974
>if I want >muh future proof should I still snag a 470? or just go with bigger?
Imo it's better to just go with the 470 and upgrade to another card later. The RX480 8GB isn't a big improvement over it for the huge extra cost unless it's 1440p.
And even then, the RX580 is a more significant upgrade than people realize, but you're not going to be finding RX570s for nearly as cheap as RX470s for a while I think.

>>59914993
>144FPS minimum, 1080p. 60FPS is just too old.
You're shit out of luck then, since many game engines are wholly incapable of delivering 144fps, like GTA5, even if you have 2 1080Tis and a 6900k overclocked to 4.5ghz.

1440p at 85hz is a more reasonable goal, and it looks like a good non-reference RX580 with an overclock will achieve that in the vast majority of games paired with a 1600X or overclocked 1600.
No reason to spend $4,500 on something that doesn't even do what you want.

>>59915199
Well yeah.. if they don't show the cheapest part, you should search froogle or something and manually enter the card and price you're getting it for. Otherwise it frustates people thinking that you're seriously going to buy a more expensive and less good one.

>>59915215
The crucial is very reliable. TBW doesn't tell the whole picture. There is the lifetime of the controller, too.

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How shitty is this build?
chose a build for a friend who wanted a decent build at around $700, $710 at most.

>>59915311
where is the PSU

>>59915311
Get a better SSD.
WD Blue.

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>>59915314
my bad

>>59915314
And the case.

>>59915311
what he going to use it for?
>>59915329

>>59915333
and the poptarts

>>59915336
video editing, gaming, etc..

>>59915319
>better SSD
>WD
You don't know what you're talking about.

>>59915149
>Psst. 2 weeks ago you could get an RX470 for $85.
REEEEEEEEEEEE. It's 140 including ship+tax (no tax kek) on B&H now. It's going to keep going fucking up. I missed it!

>>59915311
>How shitty is this build?
Very, very, very shitty.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FdngHN This is a lot better, but you might want to drop down to a 4GB RX470, and if he doesn't want to overclock then up to a 1600X or down to the 1500X.

>>59915353
Im talking about his RE3 HDD and to replace his Team L7 SSD.

>>59915076
I already bought it.

>>59915352
>video editing, gaming, etc..

and you chose an i5? You a bad friend

get the Ryzen 1600

>>59915352
Oh hell no.
Name your budget.

>>59915366
>get the Ryzen 1600
kek

>>59915190
I got it for $130 off eBay. What problems are people having with them?

>>59915353
>It's 140 including ship+tax (no tax kek) on B&H now. It's going to keep going fucking up. I missed it!
I'd expect to see some more around $110-$130 when the RX570 launches to finish clearing them down.
That's still an incredibly good price. It's generally 90% as good as an 8GB RX480. And when it's not, you can just turn down some settings.

>>59915365
1700X is still good, just not worth it price-performance wise. It will overclock marginally better, and be far better with no OC.

>>59915375
Some people can't get fast memory working on the Tomahawk, can't OC well on it, and some have it taking 25+ seconds just to POST. Otherwise have great experiences. So dunno. Seems some are just lemons and it's not the BIOS itself.

>>59915025
Follow up to be more specific. Fuck. I am so confused. I am making my first PC build since 2009. Its a Ryzen build, and I have pretty much everything but RAM settled. Should I buy RAM that is 2400 or 2667 and try and overclock it as high as I can? Or should I just buy a super expensive 3200MHz kit and keep it there? I have never OC'd memory before. I dont know how RAM works very well, timings confuse the fuck out of me, and with Ryzen, i heard memory is a pain in the ass. Also, i heard that Ryzen takes away XFR and other features if in OC mode. Can someone give me the pros and cons of each? I know that for best performance, overclocking experience I need to buy RAM with Samsung chips, so I'll be going with G.skill Ripjaws V, TridentZ, or FlareX, whichever one is cheapest. Here is my build. https://pcpartpicker.com/user/oznerol10/saved/tFW8dC

>>59915374
It's stock Ivy Bridge comparable in terms of IPC.

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>>59915374

>>59915386
The only thing that's important about RAM with a Ryzen build is picking RAM that won't cause problems. Where's that fucking list, there was a list with RAM that works for Ryzen.

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>>59915374
>intel in 2017 kek

>>59915385
>I'd expect to see some more around $110-$130 when the RX570 launches to finish clearing them down.
I hope you're right. If it does, I'm grabbing it for sure. I'm fine with 1080p right now, I'll upgrade when 1440p gets a bit cheaper because I work too hard for my money to spend it so wastefully. 60fps mins is really necessary though.

What would be the best Ryzen 5 chip to get for an all-purpose regular computer (won't be doing much else besides gaymen)

>>59915414
1500X

>>59915414
the 1600

>>59915414
>all-purpose
>won't be doing much else besides gaymen
choose one

>>59915426
>regular computer
How about that?

>>59915409
please tell me the 7600k and the 1600X are both overclocked
it will lessen the pain

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thanks guys my order is now conplete

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this better?

>>59915435
>can't read

It says the i5 is at 4.8ghz while the 1600x is at 3.9

>>59915432
Do you have ADHD?
Too lazy to close windows so you minimize them?
Run up to 40 tabs on a browser?
Have more than one browser open?
Paused a movie and can't be assed to keep watching but leave it paused anyway?
Have a huge music library?
Have a game paused in another monitor?
Get a 1600X.

>>59915454
That's not an answer.

>>59915461
No, it's a sales pitch.

>>59915241
>Imo it's better to just go with the 470 and upgrade to another card later. The RX480 8GB isn't a big improvement over it for the huge extra cost unless it's 1440p.
>And even then, the RX580 is a more significant upgrade than people realize, but you're not going to be finding RX570s for nearly as cheap as RX470s for a while I think.

honestly as long as the RX500s are no more than $270ish, I wouldn't mind getting one.

>>59915449
>rosewill anything
>psu's that arent seasonic
>1060
>120GB SSD that will only hold OS and 2 AAA games at most
>only 8 GB of RAM POWER (aka RAMlet)

>>59915449
Dont buy 120GB SSDs, get a 240GB 850 EVO.

>why?
They fill fast, 116GB, windows and basic programs should take around 40GB, that is 75GB free for other stuff.

>>59915468
>>59915449
EVGA is good.
8GB is enough too, he should try 2x4.
Instead of GTX 1060 3GB look for RX 480.
SSD is shit.

>>59915465
>the RX580 is a more significant upgrade than people realize
Explain. Isn't it just an overclocked RX480?

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>>59915435
>lower temps
>great for video editing and gaming
>uses less power.

>>59915479
I'm the one you're replying to, and I'm not sure what the guy I replied to meant by that either.

>>59915409
But stuttering below 60fps is the way it's meant to be played

>>59915414
1600 if you overclock it is the absolute best perfect/$ you can get for anything period.
If you don't want to OC, the 1500X though it's pretty underperforming in a few games, or the 1600X.

>>59915449
>expensive ass motherboard with a 65w chip
>3gb 1060
>dogshit psu when that 550RM is amazing value
why tho? Did you not see the 1600 build that was posted to you?
you're really the worst friend.

>>59915478
Um no. The cheap EVGA PSUs suck. The G2 and G3 are fine, yes.

>>59915441
What is in your prime pantry box?
Fuck I think I had $5 of credits that are expiring for that :/

>>59915449
B350 instead of X370
3200 RAM, or at least faster than what you have there
Different SSD, that is garbage
470/480 instead of 1060

>>59915490
What if you are unsure about overclocking but want the option in case you change your mind?

>>59915484
Looks like Intel takes back the housefire crown this generation.

>>59915501
>4.8GHz OC is hot
No shit.

>>59915495
>What if you are unsure about overclocking
Don't be.

>but want the option in case you change your mind?
Still get the 1600. Ryzens have XFR which automatically OCs 100ghz if you have an adequate cooler (the stock one is adequate) based off the boost speed. OC'ing yourself involves a better cooler and few sliders.

>>59915490
if you cant tell the prices are changed and the true prices go beyond the budget by around 86 bucks.

>>59915521
100ghz CPU's when?

>>59915527
NOW

Any recommendations for a reasonably priced Cherry MX Brown full keyboard?

>>59915479
>>59915489
It's an updated process. Hitting 1430mhz on the same power draw it took to hit like 1325 before.

Some of the non-reference models have 8+6 pin as well and might be able to hit 1600mhz or even more. That's R9 Fury performance or better in most cases.

>>59915465
They're confirmed $270 for some of the OC models so far. under $240 for the standard 8GB RX580s.
Some people have already picked up $270 XFX GTS RX580s and hit 1480mhz on 1.1325v from the I think stock 1.1205v. That's super good.
$270 for something you can get R9 fury performance from off a very mild overclock is really good. If they clock even higher for some of the non-reference ones (wait for reviews), that'll be even better.

And I'm waiting to get a 1440p or 4K HDR10 monitor myself.

>>59915495
1600X is still good for that. It will overclock slightly better than the 1600, but the price-performance is worse since it's a tiny bit better for a significant amount more money.

>>59915479
>Isn't it just an overclocked RX480?
Not exactly. Consider it a much better binned RX480 that's been OC'd.

>>59915536
So basically grab a 580 if I want to good to go for a while? $240 to $270 is right in my GPU range.

>>59915527
kek. I was deciding between 100mhz and .100ghz and just fucked my shit up in the process.

>>59915536
>>59915546
I already have an RX 480 from Sapphire, it's already OCed so I don't really have to bother with upgrading until well after VEGA?

How often do you guys have to RMA parts?

I've done 8 builds in the last 3 years and I've never sent anything back.

Did jet disable the TRIPLE15 coupon?

>>59915578
Correct.
The 5XX series is for people using older cards, as well as introducing the RX 550, which looks very interesting as a modern low power card.

>>59915578
What's your OC? I'm curious.
But I mean yeah is it not fine in all that you play? I'd think it is. When it isn't fine, you can just turn down some setting that doesn't visually change anything and is there just to make it performance worse in benchmarks.
RX480 OC'd handles pretty much anything 60fps minimum at 1440p it seems to me. RX580 will just handle it better.

RX580 isn't much of an upgrade for people with an RX480. It's for people that still haven't bought a card for a while.
Vega will be for 144hz and 6K.

>>59915579
Now days? Almost never.
15 years ago? Like.. half of what I got. Which makes it piss me off when people waste other's time putting a bad review for a part because it was DoA. Those people are the biggest fuckheads in tech product reviews.

>>59915583
SPRING15 now I think?

>>59915595
RX550 is PCI-E only

>>59915613
RX 560 should be too if its a optimized version of RX 460.

>>59915602
1306 core clock
I don't play AAA games, the most graphically demanding game I've played so far in the past year is Divinity OS EE

>>59915613
Yes. I'm excited because it will allow low profile, single slot cards.

>>59915642
It will never be as cute as the Nano though.

>>59915633
Oh. That's not high.
I know people get 1450mhz on the XFX GTR on the stock cooler with minor voltage increase. That's about 10% better performance.

>>59915642
With a GPU that weak, I'd recommend using an iGPU instead unless the card is <$50.
What's exciting to me there are the Raven Ridge APUs. They might be about as good as the RX460 for cheaper than what you'd pay for a CPU+RX460. Not to mention single CCX.

>>59915646
I wanted to get a Nano but I already had a 7970 so it wasn't a huge upgrade...
I've been waiting for a "Nano 2" ever since. Looks like Vega will have one, but I might end up going full 4k autism instead now.

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Help anons I'm getting the R7-1700 or R5-1500 depends on the availability at the moment, but I can't decide which motherboard to pick the MSI X370 Pro Carbon or the Gigabyte AX370 K5?

>>59915661
It's the stock OC from Sapphire as easy as pushing a switch on the side. I didn't bother OCing it myself.
Somebody make new thread.

>>59915677
K7

>>59915677
Meant the R5-1600 dang it.

>>59915688
I'll make one in a min.

>>59915661
>iGPU
It will beat the shit out of any iGPU on the current market. (apparently 5x performance)
We'll see how it fares against the Raven Ridge APU's

>>59915677
MSI, more like go die. Pick an ASUS, Gigabyte, or Asrock mobo for Ryzen. Beware of Asrock's BIOS overclocking problems. No significant problems, just resets the settings everytime you change the BLCK

>>59915579
I bought a monitor last year that hard serve black light bleeding, I also fell for the seagate meme and it literally exploded in my PC

>>59915722
>I also fell for the seagate meme and it literally exploded in my PC
Details, post 'em.