/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Do Ryzen 5 work on old day1 motherboards BIOSes?

I'm building a virtualization pc with proxmox not to be bound by any OS and have fun installing gentoo on VMs, also intend to play games like VR with it.
What i chose:

AMD RYZEN 7 1800X, got one for 310€ on ebay like website
Noctua NH-D15, may buy 3 Noctua NF-A4x10 for case
Kingston ValueRAM 16 Go DDR4 2400 MHz ECC
GTX 1070, trying to get one for cheap, 1080 don't go lower than 400€
Fractal Design Define R3
1 SSD either 500 or 1TB to put VMs on maybe ZFS, not sure about which file system to use for this?
Bunch of WD red HDD to stock data using probably btrfs
Still need to choosea motherboard and PSU.

Could i get some tips or advices ? Am i doing good so far ?

>>59901766
better off going for a 1700 and ocing it spend the saved money on better ram and GPU I would use the cooler the 1700 comes with and see what you think of it. If its not good enough go ahead and buy a standalone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZS2XHcQdqA&feature=youtu.be

Due to this i would be going for a 2933-3200 2x8gb kit Trident Z, Corsair LPX, Flare X etc just something that is known to work well with ryzen

How much thermal paste is enough?

>>59901766
What motherboard? I would avoid MSI on the AM4 platform, and be looking at x370 because most of those boards have an intel gigabit ethernet controller rather than a shitty realtek controller.

>>59901766
If you're buying WD Reds I hope you know about this https://www.amazon.com/16TB-Desktop-External-Drive-WDBLWE0160JCH-NESN/dp/B01B6BN1CU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1486311320&sr=8-1&keywords=my+book+duo It contains 2x 8tb Reds inside and it's very easy to pull them out of the box and format. Much cheaper than buying them seperately. I had to ship them from overseas and still saved around $350 AUD in doing so,

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What happens if I buy a ryzen CPU and install windows 7 instead of windows 10? Will my PC explode?

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Will the latency between these two kits make a big difference in general performance?

>>59901857
Draw a happy face on the processor and apply pressure down.

>>59901981
No, but you might want to go for a 3200 kit instead

>>59901766
decent boards right now
Taichi
Gaming 5
Crosshair 6
Asus prime pro
ASRock killer/k4
gigabyte K7

best bios for cheap is from ASUS, early it was a mess now it's okay, ASRock messed something up in the last one
Gibabyte is in between.
do not even touch MSI

also only gigabyte lists ECC support officially, other work as well but not listed

>>59901981
barely if any, 3200 at 14/16 will though

>>59901851
1700 cost 370€, can't find any on reseller website now but i think people would sell it at at least 320€, so sure i'd save money on the cooler, but i'd rather have a 1800x + dh-15 for like 80€ more. Also i think i'm gonna need ECC RAM because of ZFS, not sure about this yet though.
>>59901881
Still thinking about which mobo, gonna need at least 8 sata, may need ECC support too.
>>59901943
i'm probably just gonna buy one 6TB since i got some HDDs already and am gonna switch to btrfs, i can get 8TB WD drives for 250€ locally, not sure how much i'd save in the euro/dollar conversion tho, but thanks for the idea.
>>59902009
Thanks, on which criteria can you tell a mobo is good or not ? Is it just about speed ?

>>59902001
>>59902023
Thanks. Theres a 3200mhz kit with 14 cas latency I'll probably end up getting.

is there any difference (with the exception of black having 5y warranty) between WD blue/green/purple/red drives, or are they just marketing names?

My local store doesn't say which models these ram kits are, what do you think i will have the best luck getting to run at 3200?


Corsair LPX 2x8GB 3200 $165
Corsair Vengeance LED 2x8GB 3200 $195
G.Skill Trident Z 2x8gb 3200 $229
G.Skill Ripjaws V 2x8GB 3200 $173

This is the best "Ryzen" Ram they have.

AMD Ryzen Corsair Vengeance LPX BLACK 2x8GB 2666


I just want to be 100% sure its going to run at 3200 on my system (will be a gigabyte k5 or k7) Looking at the k7 more due to the external clock generator but not sure how important it is.

>>59902084
>Is it just about speed ?
VRMs, features, BIOS, stability
among those you just need to decide what features and price you want and take whatever fits criteria

>>59902084
Keep in mind you can get the smaller Pro Duo that has 2x 6tb Reds if you want. Of course you don't have to go through amazon that was the cheapest option for me though as it costed around $750 AUD instead of paying $1300-1400 at my local stores.

>>59902108
The rule is always go blue for mixed usage unless you have some specific needs.

Alright. Managed to fumble through this on my phone.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Q7XzRG

What. The. Fuck. Ironically this would still cost less than my previous laptop. Will this last for a decade then? I splurged on the monitor and keyboard because they don't look like they'll ever go obsolete.

>>59902108
The greens have been renamed into blues and blues just got deleted from their line-up. Apart from that the big differences are not really so big anymore, of course the blacks are faster but these days i would recommend getting blues for storage and SSDs for speed.

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'built' my first PC roughly 1 year ago. I decided to go full autism and went with the Raid 0 with two SSD drives meme. I've only just now decided to check their status.

>SSD 1 - Power On Hours - 2020 hours
>SSD 1 - Power On Hours - 37 hours

What did they mean by this? Like seriously if "power on hours" means what I think it means, then what the fuck. How is this even possible?

Also, what's with the other data shown here? Could someone explain it please, because I had assumed having two SSD's in Raid 0 they would carry pretty much exactly the same workload and function. Why do the "Total Host Reads/Values" differ for each SSD? What the fuck is "Total NAND Writes", and why is the value for this 15.65 TB for one drive and fucking 774.49 TB for another? 774 Terabytes? What the fuck is that shit?


Did I incorrectly set up my SSDs a year ago and my settings are all fucked, or is this program just shitty? Anything else you'd recommend?

>>59902123
G.Skill Trident Z 2x8gb 3200 $229 high chance

Corsair LPX 2x8GB 3200 $165
middle of the road, people report 3200 with these on ASUS though
Corsair Vengeance LED 2x8GB 3200 $195 no idea, not a single report about these they might have better or worse hynix modules

G.Skill Ripjaws V 2x8GB 3200 $173 low chance on gigabyte for some reason if overclocker.net guys to be trusted

I'd pay $30 more for tridents if you can painlessly do so, I can't find them here really want them have to risk it with LPX

AMD Ryzen Corsair Vengeance LPX BLACK 2x8GB 2666 will work, i think it's Single rank though - not worth it at this speed

>>59902156
Few big issues i have with this build:

Need atleast 2666 ram (ram speed helps a lot with ryzen i would go for 16gb too.

The 1500x doesn't come with a cooler your much better off going for a 1600 and ocing it.

I would be looking at 1440p 120hz over 1080p 144hz as well.

Keyboard is just a small upgrade and not worth it IMO if you really want a mechanical one look into the 10keyless ones they are a bit cheaper.

500 series is a couple days away and is going to be faster than the 400 series (even though people though it was just going to be rebrands)

>>59902196
Thanks! I figured the Trident Zs was the best bet but wanted some input first.

>>59902197
>even though people though it was just going to be rebrands
refresh is more appropriate term in this case I think

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>>59901628

>RX470 8GB, RX480 8GB

I just bought an RX480 4GB. From what I had researched, it seemed to me that 8GB of VRam is just a meme and not that useful. I'm only going to be playing games in 1080p as well. Did I fuck up or was choosing the 4GB version a good decision?

Also:

>Asus Radeon DUAL RX 480 GDDR5 4GB OC
>Cost me £163, brand new. Absolute cheapest I could find it ($204 / 192 euro)
>Sold my 3rd hand, 18 month old MSI R7 370 4GB for £110 ($137 / 130 euro)

>>59902197
1440p anything would be breaking the bank for me. Are they really that much better?

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>>59902297
I got the same brand, only game in 1080p too and it works great for me. When I bought mine I think there was like a 50 dollar difference between the two versions and I couldn't justify it either

>>59902417
Well I don't think your going to be happy gaming or using a 1080p monitor in 5 or so years, I have been using mine since 2013 and I love it. The best thing about higher res screens is playing old or not not graphically intensive games. Because you will have the power to max them out easily anyway the extra resolution helps a lot.

>>59901680
anyone?
I wouldn't want to buy $200 board and learn later on that it won't boot to flash BIOS

>>59902417
If your having trouble fitting a 1440p screen into your budget look into korean monitors you can get some bargains but make sure you do your research before buying.

I have really old PC that can barely play new games with 60 fps on low settings. I want to build budget PC for gaming AND streaming. I think I can use some parts from my old PC, like 700W power supply, HDD and Nvidia GTX660. That means I need new motherboard, CPU, cpu cooler and RAM, right? Also I want to buy SSD. With all that AMD Ryzen hype it seems like a nice way to go. But I have no idea about AMD. Is Ryzen 5 will be enough for me, which CPU from that lineup is good enough? Or do I have to go for 7 lineup? What motherboards do I need for that purpose? Also I heard that Ryzen needs high frequency RAM? Thank you for advice.

>>59902481
Of course they will work but you are going to want to update your BIOS regardless of manafacturer, I would AVOID MSI for AM4 and get a board with dual-bios because you might have to flash it a lot.

>>59902495
Looking at Gaming 5 right now, any bad rep on it? will 3200 corsair LPX work on it?

>>59902487
Ryzen 1600 and 1700 are the most budget friendly once you do a small overclock they also both come with their own coolers. Don't forget to get RAM that is AT LEAST 2666mhz (2x8gb recommended)

>>59902501
Gaming 5 is a good board, better than the asus prime afaik the gaming 7 has a external clock generator and will OC marginally better but it's not really worth the premium.

>>59902509
I guess b350 motherboard will be enough for me? But what manufacturer is better for AM4 slots?

>>59902444
>>59902485
Alright. I guess I'll stall the purchase of the monitor for now. One last question: Will the wifi card fit on the mobo? Since the mobo is micro ATX

How the fuck do I connect my 6Gbs hard drives to my GA-Z270XP-SLI?

Doing my first build, so I’m a complete noob at this, and all I have left to do is my HDD, SSD, and my disc drive, but I’ve been stuck on this stupid part for hours. I can connect my HDD to the PSU just fine, but I just don’t see how to connect it to the motherboard. The only “SATA” connector I see is “SATA Express”, which no cord I can see connects to. I’m sure what I need are the regular “SATA” ports, but I don’t know where the hell they are. I’ve read the manual and looked at the motherboard diagram, but the SATA ports on the diagram just don’t make any sense to me (all I see is a bunch of numbered text boxes...I see no actual connector).

I know it's probably something obvious and stupid, but this is my first time, and I'm frustrated and tired, so I'd appreciate any help.

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>>59902156

I have the same monitor.

Honestly kind of regret buying it as it was so expensive at the time, more than every other component by far, and the jump to 144 Hz did not impress me that much at the time.

I initially bought it after falling into the CS:GO 144Hz meme. I stopped playing CSGO shortly afterwards though, as I had a decent enough PC to now be able to play Arma 3 BR, pretty much the only game I've played for the past year. And it doesn't matter what build you have, you will never get consistently high FPS in Arma 3 to ever be able to have 144Hz.

So 144Hz has been useless to me in terms of gaming. You'll also rarely be able to have consistent 144Hz with modern releases and future games, unless you go full autism and go SLI 1080 Ti or some shit.
That being said, you can never go back after you're used to 144 Hz. It's such a massive improvement even just for your daily desktop use and web browsing. For that alone it's worth switching from 60Hz.

I'd suggest you look around for a different 144Hz monitor. From what I can tell, you're paying out your ass with that one, with features like 3D that you might not want anyway. It doesn't support freesync/g-sync either. And honestly, the colours are kind of shitty from my experience. I'm sure there are better value 144Hz monitors out there you could find desu senpai, although maybe there's a reason they're cheaper I don't know about.

If you're set on buying that monitor, seriously man why are you paying such a high price? Consider buying a used one. Look at this, literally took me 30 seconds to find on ebay:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/ASUS-VG248QE-/162433148037?hash=item25d1c52485:g:kO4AAOSw4A5Yyicz

Also, if you're willing to splash out money for a 144Hz monitor, you shouldn't be holding back on a GPU. If you're that limited by your budget, at least buy an RX 480 rather than 470. It's still great value.

>>59901954
u mite die

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How do I get 3000mhz or 2933mhz with this board?

Hey guys I'm doing my first build and I don't know anything really. Here's a list of what I'm thinking so far and their prices on MSY ($AUD):

>CPU: intel i5-7600K $314 OR i7 7700 $394
>SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 250G $140
>HD: Seagate 3.5" BarraCuda 7200rpm 2TB $95
>GPU: 8G RX 480 Sapphire NITRO+ $369 OR 6G GTX 1060 MSI OC $369

I'll probably get 8gb of RAM. Here's the MSY parts list with prices: http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf

So I have a bunch of questions that I'll order in priority of what I would like answered if anyone has some advice:

>480 or 1060? I intentionally picked versions with the same price for ease of comparison. If you think there is a better version please let me know.
>i5 or i7? I'll be mostly gaming so i7 seems like it might be overkill but money is not an issue (I make more than I can spend) and I would like to pursue other interests in the future (eg video editing)
>What is a good motherboard for this setup? I really have no idea what to look for in a motherboard so if you can tell me (or link me to a resource with) what I need to research I'm happy to do the leg work myself.
>Similar story with case/PSU. What calculations do I need to do to make sure I have the right PSU and cooling system?
>SSD/HD/RAM? Again what should I be looking at other than the size? I'm happy to pay a bit extra for better quality but I just don't know what attributes to be comparing or how much weight to give them.

Any advice with any of these questions would be very much appreciated. Like I said money is not a huge issue but I don't want to waste it by getting the most expensive components when the margin benefit is low. Please feel free to call me out for being a retard. I don't know much about technolo/g/y. Having said that please don't try to meme me.

>>59902009
What's wrong with MSI

>>59902708
>video editing
you will need a ryzen cpu

>Seagate
NEVER!! get a WB Blue

>480
wait for the 580 it'll be out by the end of the month

>ram
16gb min

>>59902708
I'm reading another thread atm on RAM so I'll have a go at answering my own question.

It seems you want the highest frequency RAM you can afford so long as its CAS is not too high. That seems pretty simple to figure out. Looking at the MSY page I could prob get something like this:
>16G Kit (8Gx2) 3000 Corsair Vengeance Black $169

>>59902761
Thanks mate.

What is a ryzen? I've seen it mentioned a few times lurking /g/ today (been a good few months since I've been here).

I waited for like 2 months for the 480 to come out and then I got swamped with other things in my life and have put off buying my computer till now. I'm ready to pull the trigger desu but I'll look into it. Thanks again.

>>59902817
A ryzen is a new CPU friend

>>59901998
>happy face
>not ensō
Corelet plz

>>59902836
Yeah I'm pretty shocked cause last time I was researching all this the consensus was to avoid AMD processors (at least that's the impression I got). I'm gonna go watch some comparisons or look at bench marks now and find out what its all about.

>>59902859
Things change, AMD is good again.

>>59902602

Welp, I think I just solved my own problem. As I was putting away all my parts to try again later, I saw I had some mobo cords set aside that I had completely forgotten about...which are clearly meant for connecting the hard drives to the mobo.

So yeah, like I thought, it was something stupid and obvious.

Lesson learned...always have all the fucking parts right in front of you.

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>>59902602

For Ryzen, does it matter if I have 1, 2 or 4 sticks of memory at the same frequency?
I wanted to get 8GB and maybe upgrade to 16GB some time later, but 1x8 sticks are sold out everywhere in my city and also I've seen somewhrere that having 4 sticks installed may cause crashes at frequencies that are stable for 2 sticks.

>>59902931
2x8 is fine

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I have:
R7 1700 OC
Prime x370 pro
16GB RAM AT 3200
290X 4Gb

Am considering getting another 290x to crossfire for 100 quid. The 290xs would be both OCed vapor-xs

Opinions?

>>59902950
Except 2x8@3200 costs more than R5 1600 in my country and importing cots way more.

>>59902919

Yeah, my problem was that I wasn't seeing the cord for it, because I had it set aside and forgotten all about it (>>59902897
). Thanks though. Now it should hopefully be easy sailing to the end.

>>59902953
2nd hand 290x are cheap but you should make sure that you have a strong power supply.
It will basically be an R9 295x2

Just got 2x8 ddr4 3200mhz for 70 euros out of Ebay. Did i do good ?

>>59902931
The good news is, RAM has high resale value.

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>>59902953

>>59903042
Yeah I have an evga 850 gold, I've done the maths and it all works out

>>59903071
At least my heating bills will be low

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Is this legit?

>27" 1440p 144hz supersampling 4k
vs
>28" 4k 60hz

Am I retarded for thinking the 1440p is a better option for a high-end build (2x1080Tis)?

>>59903343
>27" 1440p 144hz
is the better choice

>>59903343
4K at 28" has microscpic pixels. Everything looks really good even without AA and whatnot.

However the other screen has a good size for 1440p, has 144Hz and you'll prolly have more frames even with MSAA on, which will make it look as good as the 4K monitor.

Seems simple enough to me.

Still looking for a GPU for my new system and have a chance to get a used R9 390 for 180€ or a Fury for 260.
What is the better choice to go with the Ryzen 1600 and will my 520W psu be a problem with either of those?

Its been a long time since I looked into pc building and my 2500k is showing its age.
Whats a good cpu for 3d renderings?

Should I want something with more cores?

>>59902297
the 4gb 470/480 are all you need for 1080p

games will never go over 3.5gb vram at 1080p unless you add 500x SSAO or something dumb

just made a budget system for a ultra cheapskate out of warehouse returns
>rx470 - scratched to fuck £140
>g4560 - no box £50
>b250 - reboxed - £50
>8gb ram - £50
so god damn cheap they reused a 300w dell psu and old HDDs

>>59903389
Neither, you are better off getting a rx480 also your PSU is too weak.

>>59903164
yes

>>59903470
520w is more than enough for a gtx1080+6700k

the biggest mistake eveyone makes it 1000w psus

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rZMMgL
Is this build any good?

>>59903493
So? A gtx 1080 founders only requires one 8pin power connector.

>>59903470
>also your PSU is too weak
You're too retarded.

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>>59903598
No you are.

>>59903470
It's just that the cheapest new rx 480 is 250€ and even used ones are 220-230.
Is it a better idea to wait until rx 500 is out, and see if they drop in price?

>>59903696
You're literally retarded if you think you need a 750 W PSU for a build that draws less than 400 watts from the wall.

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>>59903741
>less than 400 watts from the wall.
What did he mean by this?

Why is Crosshair so fucking expensive? I could get Fatality with more vrm, 5gbit and wifi for less.
Taichi is apparently "sorry sold out just now and we did not update the website yet" in every single store in my city and I really want to get new pc today.

Also how bad are MSI and Gigabyte boards?

>>59903741

http://thermalbench.com/2017/02/07/hardware-labs-black-ice-nemesis-gtr-560-radiator/5/

>The CPU, an Intel i7 4770k at 4.6 GHz and 1.3 Vcore, was held at a constant load using a custom XTU profile and the GPU, an EVGA GTX 780 Ti Classified KPE under load from Unigine Heaven 4.0 at 1080p/extreme HD settings, was overclocked and overvolted such that the total system power draw was 650w as measured by a power meter.

>>59903817
>overclocked and overvolted

>>59903723
>Is it a better idea to wait until rx 500 is out, and see if they drop in price?
Yes, I'm doing the same thing. :)

>>59903840
Well here it is not overclocked >>59903813

>>59903881
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I need help bros. I have Ryzen 1600 and Gigabyte B350 Gaming 3 but i can't get them to work. Turns out this mobo needs f6(bios version) to work with r5 but it has f3 and i can't even update because motherboard just doesn't work right now and it has no "usb flash update" feature as far as i know. So how can i solve this problem?

HyperX Predator [HX432C16PB3K2/16]
and
CORSAIR Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R ver.4.24(no, not recommended 4.31)
Help me out here.
Both most likely Hynix modules, both CL 16-18-18.
But HyperX is 30% more expensive and in Gaming 5 QVL list.
Corsair isn't though i'm pretty sure modules are the same, should I take a risk and get corsair?
will it work with ryzen at 3200?

>>59904045
how exactly it doesn't work? did you try frantically pressing del. at startup?

>>59904075
can't get a visual.

How much does a case fan typically draw? 10W? 20W? I can't find any numbers in the manual.

>>59904112
does it blink?
this is bad, I wouldn't want to get my board to learn it doesn't work
are you sure it's not just DOA? for example K7 boards with some watercooling backplates bend and do not work

>>59904141
>How much does a case fan typically draw?
1w? 3w?

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>>59904112
>10w
12v*0.4a = 4.8w

>>59904217
are fan headers 12v? seems like a lot

>>59904112
Are you getting a beep code? If not plug your mobo speaker jumpers in.

>>59904075
>>59904112
To be perfectly honest, i don't know the exact details of the problem. I just saw couple of people having this problem with this motherboard. I'm buying the same mobo(it hasn't shipped yet). I just wanted to learn how to solve this problem if i encounter it. I'm scared..

Yes, fan headers are 12v
Actual power draw should be lower if you adjust rpm, and I doubt you need full 12v on case fans in a desktop.

>>59904313
link to "the people"?

>>59904313
>i`ve heard that Ryzen takes ages to boot for first time, just wait for maximum 10 min.

Corsairs PSUs y/n?

>>59904402
Corsair, evga and seasonic are all pretty good.

>>59904402
maybe, if you can afford better one like seasonic get that
personally running cx750m for a few years now, besides it's being loud I think it's fine

>>59904402
>Corsairs PSU

enjoy your hoursefires and dead components in a month

>>59904353
It's not in english ;DdDD. If this problem occurs i'll probably give motherboard to local gigabyte service center so they can update the bios.

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>>59904313
No the shipped BIOS should boot fine. If your pc is not making it past POST, plug your mobo speaker jumpers in and refer to this.

>>59904475
you know google translate is actually pretty good for general understanding these days

Should I get a 1700x if I already have a good cooler?

>>59904527
if price is not a problem, sure it draws less power at same clock than 1700 and gets to 4Ghz easily

>>59904514
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2641923/updating-gigabyte-motherboard-bios-cpu.html

the problem is similar to this.

>>59904509
hope it works man. thanks.

I currently have an FX-8350 and I want to modernize, but I'm having trouble finding benchmarks that include the 8350 against Ryzen 5/7. What's the cheapest Rizen CPU that beats the 8350 in general benchmarking? Where's the break even for price vs performance gains, basically?

>>59904527
Wait for Ryzen Pro?

>>59904587
$169 1400

but real option would be 1500x

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>>59904574
You're mobo has some convenient LEDs for troubleshooting POST issues.

I'm aiming at a Ryzen 5 6 core, probably a 1600x but I don't know what to do about cooling since the 1600x come with nothing for whatever reason.
Is water cooling all it is made up to be or do I stick with air?

>>59902197
>The 1500x doesn't come with a cooler your much better off going for a 1600 and ocing it.
1500x does come with a cooler. 1600x is the only R5 that doesn't.

Will Ryzen force Intel to get rid of this nonsense 2 tier consumer desktop platform setup?

Just add extra lanes to the 115x platforms already.

>>59901628
>picture of an AMD cooler
>i3 & i5 aren't worthwhile. Get Ryzen 5, drop down to G4560, or up to i7
This is some shill-ass shit, OP. Get fucked, the i5 is still far better at real single and multi-threaded applications than the hexacore R5. The i3 demolishes the four core R5 at certain applications and 90% of games. There is no reason why anyone should consider any AMD Ryzen CPUs unless they enjoy lower performance in the real world and artificially high benchmark results to show off their nonexistent e-peen.

>>59904717
Hello Salazar.

>>59904671
Stick with air, so your CPU will cool down faster, and so you don't have to deal with leaks

Cheapest place for windows 10 keys?

>>59904744
The free upgrade from 7 to Pro still works.
Don't buy cheap Enterprise keys, seller can cancel them and get new ones to scam again.

>>59904744
Reddit.

If you are a uni student >http://onthehub.com/download/free-software/windows-10-education-for-students/

>>59904761
How do I do that?

>>59904671
get a thermalright macho rev. b

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>>59904713
Why would Intel bother changing anything? People will still continue to purchase whatever they shit out based on brand loyalty alone.

>>59904779
I tried, gave up and ordered D15 SE-AM4

>>59904767
>Download Win 10 from Microsoft
>run iso
>choose upgrade

>>59904809
It won't lock me out?

Where's a cheap place to get win 7 keys then?

>>59904767
Last time I did it, it was through a Windows accessibility loophole.

https://www.howtogeek.com/265409/you-can-still-get-windows-10-for-free-from-microsofts-accessibility-site/

I don't know if it still works.

>>59904809
really? did they forget? or is it some cult conversion we are experiencing here?

>>59904824
you pirate it

>>59904809
That does not work. You can do a clean install and provide a legit 7 key tho.

>>59904767
If you have pirated 7 you can get legit 10 but you have to be disabled.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade
Actually, you just need to "use any assistive technologies" in the past or future to be eligible. Do you expect to ever grow old? Have you ever launched on screen keyboard just to see how it works? Congratulations, you are eligible.

>>59904824
Are you doing a clean install on a new pc or upgrading your existing pc?

>>59904833
>pirating windows 7
>2017
Windows 10 Enterprise N 2016 LTSB X64 en-US Feb 2017-v2 {Gen2}

>>59904849
may as well make fake college credentials and buy w10 for $5

>>59904862
Clean install

>tfw about to buy a 1080TI despite only having a 1920x1200@60hz display

>>59904849
You can upgrade from Daz Loader activated Windows 7 or those preactivated Windows 8 version on piratebay
Then once you upgrade write down your Windows 10 key. Do a clean install of Windows 10 to get rid of any spyware or whatever. Done

>>59904895
>Then once you upgrade write down your Windows 10 key. Do a clean install of Windows 10 to get rid of any spyware or whatever. Done
no, w10 doesn't give you a key after that

to upgrade to new hardware you have to create MS account and link you windows license to it then to active on new hardware you just log in in windows to MS account and it should work

didn't try it myself yet, kind of worried

>antistatic wrist wrap
ishygddt

>>59903456
You want a Ryzen R7; they offer stupid good price performance for 3d rendering. The r7 1700x generally matches an i7 6900k in Blender, while being $600 cheaper. And good AM4 motherboards are a lot cheaper that good Socket 2011 ones.

>>59904925
You aren't changing any hardware...

>>59904925
Good part: licenses obtained this way work on any PC and stop behaving like OEM licenses so you can upgrade your hardware without having to go through bullshit calls.

>>59901628
Very surprised to see such a good advice pasta. Good to know that you anons autistically keep up on consumer electronics as much as I do

I'd add in though a specific resolution bracket; so 470/480 for 1080p gaming and 1070/1080 for 1440p

Of course some games like battlefield and doom perform well above the standard bracket but those are the general rules

So I'm reading a lot of conflicting reviews lately, and it seems like some of it are intel shills trying to make me believe that i5's perform better than R7 for gaming.

How much truth is there to this? For instance tweakers.net (dutch review site) has the 7600k stomping the 1700 in most (if not all) games.

Does it make sense to just get an i7 for a corelet like me? Or should I be the bigger man and get an R7?

PUBG and BF1 are absolutely raping my CPU and both games are a stutterfest on a 480.

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>>59904879
Windows 10 Enterprise N 2016 LTSB X64 en-US Feb 2017-v2 {Gen2}

>>59904993
if you play BF1 then R7 is the only way for you.

>>59905010

But is getting an i7 this late going to be worth it, that's what I'm wondering. I guess nobody knows whether games will finally utilize more than 4 cores, but at the moment it still seems like intel is much better and scores even higher in bf1 benchmarks too.

Does anyone know a site where i can reliably check whether RAM is Samsung b-die or not?
Or does anyone know if the following RAM is b-die "G.Skill Trident Z RGB DIMM Kit 16GB, DDR4-3200, CL14-14-14-34 (F4-3200C14D-16GTZR)"?
Theoretically 3200 CL14 should be, but idk and please don't judge me for RGB LED RAM, it's actually cheaper than normal Trident Z.

>>59905030
in SP sure, in MP i7 tanks fps a lot
same way with PUBG btw

more cores is better for less optimized games, who knew

>>59905033
just check QVL list of your board
hynix modules run at least 2933 CL15 on Cl16 3200 rated sticks with recent update
I'd guess all that didn't work will work in May

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>>59905033
clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/?st=j1jefche&sh=e6f3059b

>>59904993
higher average framerates (in very specific cherry-picked scenarios like some emulators or notoriously single-threaded games) =/= better performance.

Ryzen CPUs usually offer better minimum framerates and a generally smoother experience due to the extra cores taking care of the OS and stuff. For years people thought that "PC stuttering" was something inherent to the platform, until very recently that we realised it was intel garbage architecture from 2011 shitting things up whenever a game maxed all 4 cores to 100%.

>>59905088
>>59905170
Thanks.

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>>59904993
For gaming, the R5 1600/1600x make more sense that the R7 1700. In games the higher clocks help more than 2 more cores, and they are cheaper to boot. Generally speaking the 1600x runs neck & neck with the 7600k in games, and crushes it in productivity type applications.

Note chart I am posting had some older chips with their original price listed.

>>59904999
>Windows 10 Enterprise N 2016 LTSB X64 en-US Feb 2017-v2 {Gen2}

That doesnt give me a legit key and that's what I want

>>59905295
I doesn't need a key to install :^)

is ass rock really that bad?

So I want to buy a meme 4k monitor, dont want to upgrade my pc yet, so I will be gaming at 1080p and when it comes to work I will run it at native resolution
Can I expect that next year 1070/1080 equivalent will handle gaming at 4k at high/ 50-60 fps? Or I´m stuck with the 1080Ti?

>>59905932
instead of falling for the 4k meme buy a 1080p 144hz+ monitor instead

>>59906002
atm I have a 1080p/144hz but really dont game to much and I want the realstate of the 4k monitor for my work

>>59903815
Taichi come into stock and then end up OOS really fast. You gotta be on constant lookout. That said, if you live near a Microcenter I think a lot of them get shipments in on Fridays so you can call and ask if they have any available.

They're also having a good CPU + mobo deal right now.

I wouldn't get a Crosshair VI Hero and instead consider dropping the X370 chipset entirely if cost is an issue.

I can't comment on MSI and Gigabyte as I haven't done enough research on those.

I have really old PC that can barely play new games with 60 fps on low settings. I want to build budget PC for gaming AND streaming. I think I can use some parts from my old PC, like 700W power supply, HDD and Nvidia GTX660. That means I need new motherboard, CPU, cpu cooler and RAM, right? Also I want to buy SSD. With all that AMD Ryzen hype it seems like a nice way to go. But I have no idea about AMD. Is Ryzen 5 will be enough for me, which CPU from that lineup is good enough? Or do I have to go for 7 lineup? What motherboards do I need for that purpose? Also I heard that Ryzen needs high frequency RAM? Thank you for advice.

how long do you guys wait to upgrade your video drivers after a new release? is there a site dedicated to posting whether or not a new driver is going to kill your computer?

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I'm getting used to this 1700 stock cooler while waiting for my noctua am4 mount.

Should I even bother replacing it?

>>59906316
Thanks but I'm not even in the US.
Crosshair seems ridiculously overpriced for its features, more than any other Asus, while Taichi is reasonably priced.
Before going B350 I could get Prime X370 Pro or MSI/Gigabyte, Asus seems to have ok bios updates after that bricking one, but there are no reports on MSI fixing boot times.
Apparently nobody ever uses Gigabyte as I can't find any negative or positive info other than about some security researchers injecting malware into bios during boot by spoofing autoupdate or something.

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>>59906413

Depends which noctua we are talking about. Pic is my 1700 on a silver arrow which performs a tad worse than a D15 (so basically a D14). If it is one of the smaller noctua coolers? Eh they will outperform the stock cooler but not by massive amoounts depending on if you are overclocking or not. If you are at stock keep the wraith spire for OMG IT GLOWS.

>>59906413
How loud is it? All cooler reviews I've found are about 1st gen Wraith that was heatpiped brick, current Wraiths are only mentioned as "adequate enough" in CPU reviews.
Fuck OC, I want near-silent PC.

>>59905170
>>59905088
Does any of the b-die stuff come in white?
Corsair LPX 3200Mhz is apparently not b-die but it's white and the Ripjaws looks gaudy and I've only seen it in Red so far.

>>59906453

Whisper quiet at 100%. I doubt it could actually cool a 1700x or 1800x (which is probably why AMD don't include coolers for those chips).

>>59902156
Save $100 on your keyboard and use it to get the R5 1600 + faster ram.

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why is Speccy such a pile of shit?

Anyway, new builld. Ryzen 5 1600.
I'm running on an R9 280X/7970 at the minute, because I'm really hesitant to buy a new GPU, with Pascal refresh/Vega around the corner.
Is Vega going to be worth the wait?

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>>59906413
me too, I like the colors and its silent at 100%

>>59906547
>Is Vega going to be worth the wait?

Was Ryzen worth the wait?

We won't know until it comes out.

>>59906622
I'd say Ryzen was worth the wait.
This CPU is excellent for the £220 I paid for it desu.
I might just buy another 280X and crossfire to tide me over in the meantime

Anyone got ryzen 2400 and 3200 mhz benches from the same place on hand?

I'm buying ryzen but my choice right now is around 340$ for 3200 ram that may hit that in the future or 200$ for 2400 that will hit 2400

because Its a gamble if the ram will ever hit that performance I want to go with the sure thing, but I cant help but feel i'm leaving shit on the table.

What I do know is that in 7-12 months when I replace ryzen (well upgrade to zen +) the ram will be used in a secondary build if I get the 2400 and the 140$ I save will be put toward getting either faster ram, or faster+cheaper+more ram where as if I do get the 3200 ram, on top of no guarantee it works, I may stick with it long haul... I am not sure which one to do.

I just really need to know the right now

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>>59906547
do you have an asrock gaming k4 too?

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>>59906648
no but they're so similar it doesn't matter.

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>>59906646
2400mhz works out of the box, but my ram supports 3000mhz.

>>59906548
Can you make the LED any color or is it stuck to rest?

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>>59906678
oh fuck someone else with ASRock RAM speed issues!
I've got a 4x4GB kit of Team Group Vulcan 3000MHz RAM but it only does 2133, and XMP flat out doesn't work.
I may try manually clocking it up to 3000MHz, but I also might just fucking return the board

>>59906547
>>59906622
not sure but people connected to amd have recently been comparing vega to the 1080ti and titan Xp favorably.

marketing wank? possibly
Is amd getting close to said performance? possibly
Does amd know the price and that's why they are looking at it favorably? Possibly again

either its close to said gpus performances, and amd is happy with it, or they know it's going to be cheaper by a significant margin and are happy with it. I dont think its all marketing wank, just because I don't think amd blows smoke up peoples ass, especially when the same marketing person was asked 'I have a haswell i5, would ryzen be a significant upgrade' and they tell the person point blank, anything productivity you will have a massive upgrade, but games, ryzen may not be the upgrade you are looking for at the moment.

>>59901628
Kek, what is this? Latest Rolls-Royce aircraft engine? Next-gen all-electric airliner?
If you buy your computer can take-off and fly away with other computers during mating season?

>>59906696
ryzen as a whole hates 4 sticks at the moment.

>>59906678
my main issue is I don't know what i'm leaving on the table between 3200 and 2400 but that price difference is immense and in the future, I could very well buy more, significantly faster ram for the same price or less.

>>59906730
Where you at that RAM costs so high? You can't get anything in between such as 2800Mhz?

>>59906744
32gb kits, I currently use almost the entirety of my 16gb and cant launch ram intensive applications till I close shit, but the issue is I cant close shit. 32gb is my compromise right now because ryzen can't do 4 sticks good at the moment.

At some point I will get 64gb, and turn 10-20gb of that into a scratch disc, but until then, 32gb is my target.

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>>59906678
any color

>>59906789
for
>>59906686

>>59906696
I was able to get 2667mhz but it was too unstable. When I first got the board 2400mhz was impossible now I have it running 24/7. So I expect to have 3000mhz by June.

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fuck this case was odd to build in

>>59906783
Just out of curiosity, what are you doing that requires to much RAM?

>>59906789
This is gonna look sexy as hell on my Taichi. Set it to white and get a Ying Yang going on.

>>59906847
okay.
what pisses me off the most is that the 2x8GB variant of my RAM is in the QVL for the motherboard and also runs at 3000MHz

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>>59906711
Get on your hovercraft and fuck off back to israel.

>>59906506
>>59906548
Nice, guess 1600 won't need anything else.

>>59906730
> ryzen as a whole hates 4 sticks at the moment.
Oh fuck.
What about single channel (single stick), is there any performance difference compared to dual?

>>59906823
>>59906789
>>59906783
>>59906744
>>59906730
>>59906696
>>59906678
What do you think of the ASRock AM4 boards? I might get the K4.
Two things i'm not sure about are that ELNA sound and RAM compatibility for at least 2933 with Ripjaws V. If both are ok, i'll pull the trigger.

>>59906860
well lets see here, I have around 20 tabs open, and a bare minimum of background shit going, and I am sitting at 10gb used.

We had a storm last night that knocked power out momentarily so yea, before that I was at 15.5gb used

eve at 10gb, I couldn't start a game like shadow warrior 2 without hitting the 16gb mark and stuttering like fucking hell.

Once I get the 32gb of ram I will have ram to waste so I can leave programs I normally close open, 64gb is overkill if I use it as ram, but scratch disc is its main purpose.

For now I am going to settle on 32gb

>>59906934

>I have around 20 tabs open, and a bare minimum of background shit going, and I am sitting at 10gb used.

[X] Doubt

>>59906913
4 sticks ryzen isnt happy at the moment
2 sticks is where ryzen is happiest

It also prefers 8gb sticks at the moment opposed to 16

have seen no info on single channel.

>>59906934
>well lets see here, I have around 20 tabs open, and a bare minimum of background shit going, and I am sitting at 10gb used.

What the FUCK is going on in those 20 tabs? I have ~100 chrome tabs open and I'm onlt at 6.5GB with a fuckton of other background stuff open.

>>59906934
Get 2600 RAM, it will be DR(check if you can) most likely, it performs only 5% slower than 3200 RAM for Ryzen.

>>59906913
>>59906862
It appears I've missed read something. Looks like a single 8gb stick with reach 3000mhz not two. fml

>>59906933
The audio and LAN are okay.
look here for ram support
http://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20AB350%20Gaming%20K4/index.asp#Memory

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>>59906972
forgot pic

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>>59906952
>>59906965
chrome for me bloats the fuck out of 4chan

also some background applications went to a new state and is demanding more ram by the time i screenshoted this. its now at 11.5gb

>>59906987
SS means single stack not single stick

>>59906997

You have a serious problem if 20 tabs and minimal background tasks are eating that much ram. In b4 bitcoin miner murdering all your ram.

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>>59906934
wat

>>59907032
no, its literally just 4chan, the 8 tabs i have open are eating 3gb total right now. this thread alone is nearly 300mb, well that and tab outliner bloating the hell and back I was at 12.7gb used when I noticed it was racing toward crashing, now i'm back to 10.8gb

also, If I had a bit coin miner, i would see it. im on a phenom II

>>59907095
...there's something SERIOUSLY wrong with your system. I have 10 threads open on 4chan as well as around twenty other tabs. My ENTIRE SYSTEM is using 2.2GB of RAM at the moment.

>>59906972
Thanks and i know the official QVL, thought maybe you or some other anon here tried 3200 CL16 RIpjaws.
Memory compatibility really is all over the place with all AM4 mobos, some say it works, others say it doesn't. Even the forums aren't conclusive.
The only two affordable RAM options here are Corsair 3000 CL15 and G.Skill 3200 CL16.
If the Corsair works, then i guess it's fine, sound though idk. The X370 K4 review was good, great value for money and best sound implementation of all boards.
This is kinda important to me because i don't want to spend 300 bucks on the O2+ODAC and only 4 "ENLA" caps with ALC892 seems very low end compared to ALC1220 and some more caps from Nichicon.
Realtek LAN sucks ass, but my current mobo from 2009 or so also has Realtek LAN, so it should be ok.

>>59907130
yea, I was never able to get windows to eat less than 3gb on startup when the system was fresh.

>>59904744
All key shop

>>59907088
>>59907095
>>59906997
I have 16 tabs open, OBS running, the netflix app open and 4 exploer windows. How the fuck are you guys using 10gb+ ram?

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>>59907186

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>>59907088
>>59907145

You really need to investigate what is going on.

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>>59907200

That's >>59907088 just restarted with no tabs loaded other than about:memory

>>59907200
4chan x has an issue for me where it keeps bloating tabls the longer they are open

chrome bundles tabs, so closing single 4chan windows doesn't free up ram

and tab outliner races to 2.8gb and crashes due to how many tabs I have in it right now.

tab outliner is a known issue they are working on, but only presents itself when I open it
4chan x is an issue I dont know if the guy is working to fix or enve knows whats wrong.

even if I closed chrome right now, windows would be eating 3-4gb of ram and then the rest would be eating another 2-4gb.

The longer my computer is on, the more background applications stay open so its a problem that compounds itself, however, 32gb of ram solves the issue outright and considering even without chrome open I can eat over 50% of my ram, and games like shadow warrior will demand 7+gb and stutter like a motherfucker when it hits 100% ram, 32 just seems the lest bullshit way I can solve the issue.

>>59901857
A grain of rice. You can apply more, just dont go ham on it

I'm trying to install my cooler for my new R5, and it looks like there are two plastic pieces already screwed into the mobo, and the danm screws don't want to come out. What do?

>>59904993
It's intel PR trying to cover up the fact that they became the second best chips on the market. If you ever have a chrome tab open in the background while gaming ryzen will be better for you.
>>59906955
It prefers dual rank ram. 2666hz dual rank performs as well as 3200 single rank.

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I haven't got many answers in the last thread so here goes again:

I've decided on an R5 1600 or 1600X build, but I have some questions regarding the rest of the parts.

USAGE:
>Work (software development, compiling code, some VM usage, some office apps usage)
>Occasional video compression
>Games at 1440p @ 120hz (I'm happy with 80-90 frame-rates)

Questions:
1) I plan to OC, hopefully to 4.0Ghz. Do the 1600 generally allow this? Am I better off spending a few more for the 1600X?

2) Is the cooler included with the 1600 good enough for this? I don't mind running a bit hot, as long as it's inside AMD's safe temps I don't care.

3) Are the B350 boards good enough for the OC task? I don't really plan on using the premium features of the X370 chip but I plan to upgrade the CPU 2 or 3 generations from now. Will I be fucked later and find out only the X370 boards are compatible with the new chips and not the B350?
Please advise what boards are recommendable and what to keep away from. I plan on using 3200Mhz RAM.

4) I have no idea what RAM to get. Should I just check the mobo list of compatible RAM and get the cheapest?

5) How's the whole Dual/Single Rank RAM thing going?

>>59907522
5) https://www.computerbase.de/2017-04/amd-ryzen-ram/

>>59907518
peak performance from intel k is better then ryzen.
anything non k, amd can clock higher and generally is the better option overall

now with the k cpus, intel gets that commanding 20-30% higher peak performance right now, but realistically ryzens higher minimums and when shit hangs it hangs less let amd pull ahead in any system that you don't demand a 144fps lock.

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>>59907580

>now with the k cpus, intel gets that commanding 20-30% higher peak performance right now

[citation needed]

Now i'm sure there are a few outliers where this is true but making it a general statement like you have is more than likely untrue.

>>59907580
The problem is with ryzen we just stepped right back into the Pentium/Athlon war when it comes to PR. Ryzen is better overall and will scale better as time goes on. Intel is currently talking about how they have better single threaded performance but the value of that diminishes every day. If you are an oldfag like me you will remember when Intel was bragging about their clockrate even though the AMD chip was already equal or better performing in most cases.

>>59907522
better off with the 1600x, the price difference is only 30$ whereas with the 1700 its 80 and 180$ difference. If I was getting a 6 core I would spend the extra for guaranteed better binning then roll dice.

depending on binning the cooler on the 1700 is enough to get it to 4.0ghz, getting 2 less cores to 4 would be able to do it solidly. Though lets be honest, a 212evo is enough to coll these cpus adequately when not abusing the voltage.

as for the b350 boards, it depends on the board, some are some aren't. I would seriously look at a 370x as amd will keep the socket for 1-3 more iterations of the cpu, meaning upgrade path, and people in amd are talking about how they are focusing on clock rate for the next iteration among other tings, what could get max clocks on ryzen 1 may not get it on ryzen 2

to mean it simple, look at the fury x line, they are pretty much guaranteed to hit rated clocks. everything else is a crapshoot till after may.

>>59907522
>1)
Generally they OC the same, but if you want 4GHz you should have better chances with the 1600X. Chips are binned, but seems binning only affects OC past 3.9 GHz.
Given proper cooling 3.9GHz should be easy with the 1600 non X.
>2)
No. The Wraith Sphire is a good cooler and decent enough for 3.8GHz although it might get warm depending on other factors such as case, fans, ambient.
>3)
Theoretically B350 should OC the same as X370, but if you want to get a better chance of reaching stable 24/7 4GHz get X370.
Again, 3.8 or 3.9GHz for stable 24/7 OC is doable on B350
AMD will keep the socket for probably 4 years, mobos should be compatible after BIOS update. Anything after 2020 will probably not be compatible due to new socket and DDR5 should be out by then anyways.
>4)
There is no way to be 100% sure to run the RAM at advertised speeds, deal with it.
What you can do is check the QVL or buy Samsung b-die RAM, that's usually 3200 CL14 RAM like Trident Z and hope it will work.
>5)
That i don't know. Some say single is better, some say dual is better. It's the same story with SS and DS RAM.
At this point your best bet is sticking to QVL and Samsung b-die 3200 CL14 RAM.

TL;DR
RAM is hit or miss flip a coin faggotry. For OC you have to ask yourself, are the 100-200MHz you can probably get really worth the premium for 1600X, better cooling and X370?

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>>59907522
>>59907756

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>>59901628
Shitty Canada build! New and improved with awful HST jacking prices up into the stratosphere. Thanks HST.

>>59907761
Where did you find this?
We should make a pastebin for OP. There's just too much confusion and shit around with Ryzen.
Ryzen launch really is a dirty launch. I hope AMD will improve the launch of Ryzen+.

>>59907809
https://www.golem.de/news/ram-overclocking-getestet-ryzen-profitiert-von-ddr4-3200-und-dual-rank-1704-127262.html&usg=ALkJrhjdRIQVpYjeT6tiHz7biDudMGqk7g

>>59907624
I have been looking into this extensively, ryzen beats the fuck out of intel in nearly every application that uses more then 4 cores, however things like photoshop exist where threading is ass, or games, where I recently learned yes, nearly all games are coded for 1-2 threads, on dx11 nvidia just managed to do some magic shit with their scheduler to force threading into them, something they are not able to do well on dx12 or vulcan yet.

amd has a hardware scheduler that is far more powerful but also not as flexible.

look this way, we had dx11 since October 27, 2009
it had threading in its api since then, it took till civ 5 in September 21, 2010 for a single game to thread with the api...
now since then, how many games have played better proportionally then nvidia?
Here let me give you an example, doom has the reading done at a master class level in the api where both nvidia and amd are catered to equally well.
look at where nvidia's 1060 6gb and the 480 land in that game performance wise, how many non doom games have that kind of a gap in them?

game devs are objectively shit and should near universally be fired, in fucking 8 years how many have really tried to thread the api? do you expect these cunts to really do it in the future or will they sit on their dicks waiting for nvidia and amd to do it themselves? Seeing doom and then knowing what nvidia and devs do now, I fucking despise nearly all game devs, every time a game has played bad, I now think of these fuckers doing no optimization at all within the api standard expecting nvidia and amd to fix their broken as fuck games in drivers.

I have no faith in game devs getting better, so here is where I stand on intel vs amd

amd is better at everything but games
intel excells in games
overall would rather have amd over intel at this point.

I asked this in an earlier thread and didn't get an answer, so I'll ask again.

Does anyone have a guide or explination of what steps to take during and/or after a fresh windows 10 installation to optimize it? IE, turn off all the spyware and useless shit that sucks up power and space? I've never installed windows 10, just windows 7 and XP.

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Rate my first PC:

Graphics: ASUS RX 470 4GB Strix
RAM: 8GB DDR4 HyperX (hope to later buy another one, so no 2x4gb dual channel)
Mainboard: I don't fucking know who gives a shit, something from MSI, mATX because I don't need 2 PCIe slots or 4 DDR4
CPU: i3 Kaby lake

I know the i3 is going to bottleneck the GPU but I ran out of money so fuck it.

>>59907884

Don't buy the i3 - get the pentium.

>>59907900
The Kaby Lake one?

>>59907844
About my assessment as well and I too think game devs wont be able to make the jump to multithreading well. I do however trust that engine developers will be able to. Really if you have anything running in the background while gaming which 99% of us do the ryzen will be the better choice because no one closes all of their applications to get into "serious gaming mode" except for those on extremely old hardware.

>>59907910
G4560 + B250 + RX470 4G (or 570 in about two weeks) + 8 GB RAM and you're set.

>>59907613
any game not benefitting from 4+ cores is generally going to favor intel by around 20-30% in the max frames

we get about 7% higher ipc on intel's side and couple that with clocks... here let me math it, a 4.8ghz, what kabby can do on most cpus without delidding or golden samples, is around 17% more powerful then amd at 4 just in clock speeds, then the 7% ipc puts that at 18-19%

Then factor in a lot of amds ipc gains with more cores comes from threads, windows still isn't 100% on board with amd, the bioses arent there yet, the ram compatibility is shitty, and you are stuck with intel getting a 20-30% max fps advantage.

that will be chipped away with new bioses and windows updates, but for games, intel is better when you oc.

now, on top of all that, many games when you hit the high fps range go from cpu bottlenecks to ram bottlenecks, and that fucks amd over once again as their initial bioses are shit for ram .

>>59907929
>cpu bottlenecks to ram bottlenecks
but ram bottlenecks are created by cpu/gpu bottlenecks

>>59907926
Because of the money? I don't bother paying 30€ more, just 130 more for an i5 is too much.

Or why should I get the Pentinum?

>>59907929

>any game not benefitting from 4+ cores is generally going to favor intel by around 20-30% in the max frames

I'm still seeing a lot of claims but no evidence to back them up.

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>>59907900
>>59907926
>recommending dual cores in 2017

>>59907960
>>59907969


The pentium with hyperthreading invalidates every i3 except the 7350k (which is a retarded chip anyway).

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Haven't built a PC since 2011

What the FUCK is the deal with all these new monitors? Should I get a 1440p 60fps or 1080p with 144hz? It seems like at 1440p everything like text would be tiny as fuck.

>>59907960
Difference between Skylake i3 and G4560 is virtually non-existent, you pay the good goy premium for nothing. G4560 is much better value.

>>59907984
What monitor do you have now? I'm building a new PC now to replace the one I built in 2011 and I'm keeping the same monitor.

>>59908000
1080p, I was thinking of just keeping it too, don't really want to spend $300-$600 on a new monitor

>>59907969
When I look for people trying this combo they play new games on highest setting with fucking 60 fps

I don't understand the issue

My PC is already way too good, I'm used to playing games 800x600 with a solid 15fps

>>59907918
That's my conclusion too, Intel could do be the top cpu again, but they need a 6 core at 300$ and an 8 core at under 500, which I 100% do not believe they will do.

personally have 30% of my cpu being used now by shit running in the background, that would be 30% off any intel benchmark but may not even touch an amd one.

>>59903529
You can cut down the PSU price by about half. I think SeaSonic has another bronze semi-modular 520W for around $60.

You also probably don't need an M.2 drive. Get a regular 2.5" 240GB SSD from Kingston / Sandisk / Crucial.

then, you could either upgrade to a R5 1600 with what you saved or pocket it idk

>>59907984
Depends on the buget for the PC

Those new resoution require a shitload of power and fun fact: The 144hz don't do more than 60 would if you don't surpass 60 fps

>>59907947
witcher 3, you can oc the cpu and get some fps improvements, but if you leave the cpu at stock and oc the memory, you get more performance out of it then you did from oc'ing the cpu.

these are outliers at the moment but are becoming the norm.

>>59901628
this cooler is so very sexy, i wonder if you can buy them seperate and if they fit on intel socket motherboards.

>>59908022
Mine isn't anything special and I don't really care about new monitors. I'd say hold onto yours until you really know what you want in a new monitor. Not as much has changed in the world of monitors as compared to other hardware like CPUs and GPUs and stuff, so I don't think you'll see much difference.

What's the /g/ approved method of applying thermal paste? A pea sized drop right in the middle? An "x" shape? Lines on the CPU?

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Do RAM brands matter in any way?

I'm hearing Corsair is the best but not really why. Other canidate is Kingston.

And does the casing actually do anything?

Does anyone here have Corsair Veangence LPX 3000 CL15 (CMK16GX4M2B3000C15) running on an ASRock AM4 mobo?
QVL says it should run at 3000 on the B350 K4, but not on others, which doesn't seem right to me.
Also oddly ASRock mobo seem to not like G.Skill RAM according to QVL.

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>>59908130

>>59908169
It will only run at 2400mhz stable, you can boot in the OS with 2666, but it'll crash/.

>>59908130
Elder sign.

>>59908186
Even on the B350 K4 although the QVL approves of this specific RAM? Can't we even trust QVL anymore?

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>>59908177
>someone destroyed their CPU like this to get upboats on 9gag

I bought a cheapo little anti-static wrist strap for my new build. Only cost a dollar and I figured it was worth the peace of mind. But, I'm not sure where to connect it to make sure I stay grounded.

The guides online all want me to cut up a power cable with a grounding post, and then plug it in and attach the alligator clip on the wrist strap to the bare wire. I know it's probably safe, but I'm not super confident in my ability not to fuck that up (and I don't have a spare cable to use for that).

Some other guides say you can clip the wrist strap to the case, so long as the PSU is installed and plugged in (but it doesn't have to be on). Is that really good enough for static protection? It seems much easier and less dangerous, but does it actually work? Are there any other methods you guys have for these kinds of wrist straps?

>>59908196
>Can't we even trust QVL anymore?
nope

Look here.
>>59902655

can anyone tell me if

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232520&cm_re=flare_x_32gb-_-20-232-520-_-Product

is dual rank?

>>59908099
It wont fit without modifications, AMD screwholes are in completely different places when compared to Intel.

And no, you can't buy them seperately yet.

>>59908130
It literally does not matter at all. Some reviewers tested 20 different patterns and all results were within margin of error. It'll spread evenly as you tighten the cooler as long as you're not being a retard.

>>59908149
The different brands are all just marketing bullshit. There are like 2-4 manufacturers which push out memory chips and those get shipped to different brands.

>>59908169
>Also oddly ASRock mobo seem to not like G.Skill RAM according to QVL.
If a brand wants to "approve" their parts they need to pay enough money to the mobo manufacturer. G.Skill didnt care about paying AssRock anything and thus their chips arent officially accepted.

>>59902655
>>59908228
Bioses just went through a massive fuck off revision, which wiped much of the progress they were making for ram compatibility, but boosts performance even at lower clock speeds, the ram compatibility bios is due in may, that's when you will likely hit the rated speeds or there around.

>>59908276
>It literally does not matter at all

So a pea-sized amount in the middle is fine? I guess I shouldn't worry too much, it can always be reapplied later if it doesn't seem to be working well.

>>59908130
>>59908276
Pea size dot in the middle, grain of rice, or line.

try to go with the processor in how its orentated just to guarentee best coverage.

An x seems to get the best coverage, but also wastes a bit of paste.

>>59907872
I'd trying in the stupid questions thread or somewhere else. I think too many people here are wondering the same thing or just don't just Windows 10.

>>59908149
Oh, and
>And does the casing actually do anything?
Nope, it doesn't affect anything at all. This whole thing started back in DDR2 days. Back then you needed to cool down your memory if you wanted to overclock it, and so manufacturers started to add heatspreaders to their kits to make them "OC ready".

This started a trend where top-tier memory kits had cool heatspreaders and it continued during DDR3 and DDR4 era even though the chips run very cool these days and don't need any cooling at all. The "heat spreaders" might not even touch memory chips at all anymore, they're only there for the gamer looks.

You can still find low-end memory kits that are just chips on green circuit board. Back in the day all memory kits looked like that.

>>59908316
Yes, it's fine.

>>59907872
>go through the settings menu and and disable everything that looks like telemetry
>browse through the installed software list and disable everything that you don't need. There are two lists, one is in settings and other in options panel. Some things have to be uninstalled via powershell, google for more information when you encounter those.
>open start menu and use rightclick to remove all tiles. It takes a minute but the end result will look pretty sleak
This should cover most glaring issues.

I have a first gen 920 i7 CPU. Do I have any reason to upgrade and if so, what are my best bets? Is it worth upgrading from socket LGA1156?

>>59908420
>>59908516
Thanks, there's a bit of a discussion on this in the stupid questions thread as well, I'll check out what they have to say.

>>59907435
Unscrew harder.

First time building... do GPUs normally snap into place?

>>59908626
What do you mean by "snap". There's a small hinge on the PCIe slot which will lock itself if you inserted the card properly, maybe this is what you mean.

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>>59908534
Are you retarded or what?
>Do I have any reason to upgrade
Yes. Your piece of junk is slow and inefficient. Modern i3's will run circles around it while consuming a fraction of the power it draws.

>if so, what are my best bets? Is it worth upgrading from socket LGA1156?
Forget your 1156 board, it belongs to museum at this point. Try finding an used sandy bridge processor or newer if you want to keep cost low, otherwise go for ryzen or Kaby Lake. Do keep in mind that motherboards are sometimes harder to find than CPUs themselves.

>>59908626
Open pic related and push your graphics card in. The latch should automatically lock once you're deep enough. It might take some muscle to get in.

>>59908673
>Are you retarded or what?
I literally have not seen a problem with CPU in all my years with it, hence my asking. I haven't built a computer in a very long time.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gJHFM8

how's my build, waiting for vega.

Hey guys, I'm thinking of refreshing my rig a bit and was wondering how hard my current CPU is going to hold me back if I upgrade graphics.

My current components are

i5 3570k @4.3ghz
Asus P8Z77-V LK
8gb 800 mhz ddr3 ram
GTX 660 sc

I'm thinking about grabbing a 1080 and some more RAM to hold me over for a few more years before upgrading the processor and mother board. How hard is my 3570k going to hold me back? I know i'd be bottle necking the 1080 but it would be more future proof down the line so I can bring it over to a new motherboard. Oh and my monitor is 21:9 but still only 1080 so I'm not going to be pushing huge resolutions. But I might try a setup with 2 other 1920X1080 monitors on each side.

Thoughts?

>>59904892
>About to buy a 1080 despite being 1080p@60hz

>>59908664
>>59908673
Thanks, I didn't hear it snap the first time.

So I think my new build is all set up. Anything I should know for when I attempt to turn it on and pray it works?

>>59908756

1) Ditch the AIO, get an air cooler.

2) Drop the M.2 and go sata unless you really, really need the speed.

3) /g/ only approves the Fractel R5

4) >1080p

>>59902297
>he didn't wait for the RX 580 to release

I advice you return it desu frend.
here's the only benchmark out there, they come clocked at 1405Mhz stock
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/3407004

I forgot to put in the motherboard back plate. What do I do now?

>>59908836
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Mmpvcc
better?

>>59909007

What gpu are you rolling with?

>>59909048
I said >>59908756
waiting for vega

My current computer is very slow. It got
CPU: i3 3rd generation
RAM: 4GB ddr3
GPU: gtx650ti
MOBO: some dell mobo, dont know what it is

My psu just broke a week ago, so I bought a new one
The thing is that im considering buying a new machine

But I only got 330$ and I cant spend more on it.
Also im going to a college and I need a laptop to move with it around campus and do shit with it.

Should I buy a T430 and place it in a dock at home (will it run smooth with 2 external monitors while i'm watching pr0n, 4chan, vm in background?)
Or
Should I buy pc parts and build new pc (I've got gpu, psu, case, hdd and ssd)

>>59909253
Sell old PC and buy a used T430 or T440.

I currently own a XFX 6870 and I really need to replace it badly.
I really want to get a 480, but should I get the Sapphire's or Powercolors's version?

IS the Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming 5 wort it over the MSI X370 gaming pro carbon which is just a little less expensive? Which one would you get and why

Dear /pcbg/.

I have i7-6700k, not overlocked yet and running under default settings, with nh-u12s as cooler. After few hours of working, temperatures at idle are around 25C, under work it usually never goes above 65C. Once it went up to 77C and I still have no idea why (I turned computer off that time, checked if everything is okay, launched again and temperatures were back to normal).

Revews for this cooler suggest much lower temperatures however. I am doing something wrong?

>>59909446
>I really want to get a 480, but should I get the Sapphire's or Powercolors's version?
Neither. Get XFX RX480 GTR.

Redpill me on RAM speeds

Last time I built a PC everything was 1333mhz DDR3 and 1600mhz was cutting edge

What ram should I get for a 1700x and gigabyte 350 gaming 3 motherboard? Seems like some 3200 sets won't work even the one on qvl

>>59907761
Why didn't they compare 3200 SR vs 3200 DR?

How do we know if the RAM we're buying is single or double rank?

>>59909631
What's your fan configuration inside the case

Also is everything clean? how old is the thermal paste?

Can a kind anon look into my problem? https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/65ka06/pc_goes_into_a_power_onoff_loop_when/

>>59909631
>>59909724

Also, check for bitcon miners they can overheat your CPU,

>>59909654

For Ryzen RAM speeds increase performance across the board due to RAM speed being tied to command rate within the CPU itself.

On Intel systems it helps in specific applications but less so. For Ryzen it's worth the extra 10 bux for faster RAM.

>>59909711
FlareX will definitely work. Otherwise some confirmed Samsung B die set. I believe all C14 3200Mhz are Samsung B die.

>>59909631
Yes. Reseat/reapply thermal paste.

>>59909446
Wait 1 week and get an RX 580.

>>59908798
My 3570k @ 4.3Ghz throttled my Fury X in a bunch of games. Your 1080 will definitely get bottlenecked on a bunch of games.

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>>59909724

>What's your fan configuration inside the case

Like on pic - one fan at the front of the case, blowing inside, second right behind cpu cooler, blowing air outside.

>Also is everything clean?

I remove dust every week or two. Not too much, to my surprise, previous case would swim in dust.

>how old is the thermal paste?

I installed it late november.

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>>59909731

Fuck off crossposter go back to your own cancer.

>>59909714
>How do we know if the RAM we're buying is single or double rank?
We don't. You have to dig trough the internet for to get info on whether your kit is dual or single rank and which die is being used.
It's a massive pain in the ass.

>>59909785

Also check your BIOS. Some motherboards can ramp the voltage up real high on auto settings with bad LLC.

>>59909749

I dont have malware on my PC, I check regularly.

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>>59901766

>>59909636
May I ask why?

>>59909775
I am pretty sure it will bottleneck with a 8350. Also, I don't really want to spend a lot of money into this PC, I just want a good, durable, replacement.

>>59909803

Motherboard in question is GA-Z170-H3DP. I didnt update BIOS at all, its just as it came with. While you mention voltages, I do remember that my gpu, RX480 from Sapphire, actually can reach 1,23V during load, while most people suggest it should be lower.

Is that mobo faulty in some way?

>>59908534
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-950-vs-Intel-Core-i7-7700K/617vs3647

>>59909837
Power Color has chink shit tier PCB, Sapphire HSF sucks as and XFX GTR has good PCB & VRM, decent cooling and is competitively priced.

>>59909792
Please?

>>59909897
There's more than one version of it.

>>59909846

Dude, just adjust your voltage settings. Some motherboards just do that, doesn't make them faulty. Learn how to adjust your fucking hardware.

You bought an unlocked CPU and OCing mobo and you can't even navigate the BIOS? Fuck off.

>>59909984

I bought such parts to give myself opportunity but I left everything at auto so far since I lack experience yet and dont want to screw up such expensive parts over stupid mistakes.

>>59909892
>>59909892
Powercolor uses Samsung memory though

>>59909785
Doesn't look like the best ventilation, try turning on the computer without the left panel like that and put a big home fan blowing air directly at the motheboard diagonally trough the right. Put the computer under load and check the fan's RPM speeds with speccy

Also try putting the video card in the PCIE slot that is lower than the one you're using.

Try uninstalling any unnecessary factory drivers like auto tune shit bloatware and shit

well at least now you know if better ventilation would help...

>>59910228

I actually didnt install any of those auto-tune or similar, just basic motherboard drivers.

As for ventilation, I actually thought about mounting additional fan at the bottom, to blow air outside and help with gpu cooling. I also tried to hide cables as much as I could, but kinda failed, as there is not much space left under right panel.

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I made a thread for this but it died. This sounds too good to be true. Maybe it is and this guys looking to stab me, or maybe it's not as good as I think it is.

So I just put up for sale my MSI R7 370 4GB as I'm upgrading. I advertised it on gumtree, which is like a UK craigslist, for £100/$125 (I know this is way overpriced, I mean my RX 480 upgrade only cost me an extra £60. But people are honestly buying these cards at around £100 on ebay. I have no fucking idea why.)

Well, I just got a response from someone. He's asking if rather than the £100, I would consider swapping it with the following:

>Intel i5 - 4460
>A motherboard which he didn't specify
>8 GB of corsair xms ram

I looked up the current value of the CPU and the RAM. 4460 is going for £170 new, roughly £100 used. And yes people are still buying it. The ram is going for £60 new. I assume the motherboard would be worth between £30-60. And if I wanted to get autistic, I could buy a suitable used GPU, and buy cheap for all the other shit needed. £15 case. £30 HDD. £30 power supply. Install a windows 10 torrent on there and make it look pretty. Sell this shit for £400-500 as a CUSTOM GAMING PC to boomers looking for their sons birthday present.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TR7bD8

Was looking for a bit of input on this build and case recommendations.

For someone that's still gonna value single-core perf for some things, is the additional $30 over the 1600 worth it for the 1600X, considering I'm getting a cooler either way anyway and I'm going to OC?

How important is it that the RAM I use is in the QVL of the motherboard.
When buying the motherboard and RAM I naively assumed that, when it says that it supports 3200mhz memory, it would support all of them. But after looking at the QVL, there's barely any 3000+ listed. (got the AB350M Pro4 and F4-3200C16D-16GVKB)
Should I send them back and specifically only order a motherboard and RAM that is explicitly in the QVL or is it just jewish trickery to make me buy more expensive shit?

>>59906849
what's the ram my dude?

>>59909821
>ASRock
Nope
My Z77 OC Formula board shat the bed in under 9 months. That was supposed to be their "high-end luxury" board and they still fucked it up. I won't be surprised when half of the Z270/X370 Taichis die within a year.

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>http://ascii.jp/elem/000/001/469/1469519/

Asrock finally releasing a decent X370 in mini-ITX format sometime, I hope at the end of the month the latest.

Also

>muuuh Ryzen so much more smoother

No

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY_NXmEUvjA

Both Intel and AMD have frame time spikes.

The games are simply programmed like shit, there is no wonder against bad/lazy programming.

>>59910535

>no

It's why majority of reviewers experienced it right?

>>59910603
>muh subjective experience

Go eat shit

If you have even watched the video I have posted you wouldn't type utter crap.

He recorded the frametimes with both 480X and 1060.

Ryzen is not free from spikes.
It's about the same as the Intel CPUs.

Why are fanboys so mentally deranged?

>>59910523
And 100% of my Asrock boards survived for 5+ years. All of 1 (one) of them were mid-low tier A85x.

AB350M PRO or HDV? Assrock