/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Is this a competent Ryzen 5 build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vkjBJV
Yes i understand, Win10 is for stupid goyim, the botent, etc etc. I would love to use Win 7, but i want constant updates and compatibility.

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Second for ryzen master race. Corelets pls go and stay go.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZJLKRG

How is this build? Need suggestions for a good case as well.

>>59878070
Why do you need a wireless card?

>>59878045
Sandisk is kill. Get PNY or Mushkin or stick with Samsung/Crucial. Avoid Kingston.

>>59878045
You honestly shouldn't be getting the 1600X. Just get a 1600 and OC it. Comes with a pretty nice cooler too. At your price range I would go for a B350 mobo as well. Maybe a Gigabyte one. Everything else seems good but I would get a different RAM model but that's just for aesthetics.

>>59878045
Build seems perfectly fine to me. Only thing you may want to do is weight the pros and cons of purchasing a 1600x+aftermarket cooler vs a R7 1700+ the included Wraith Spire cooler.

>>59878070
Any particular budget?

>>59878110
>is kill
Overkill? Or bad? Explain por favor. I just got the cheapest ssd i could find that sounded like it was from a reputable manufacturer

>>59878094
Because computers don't come with wifi.
>>59878134
Around $1000 to $1100

>>59878124
>the included Wraith Spire cooler.
Is the cooler actually any good or is it like Intel's shit? Also if it's pushpins avoid it like the plague.

>>59878124
Nah. I went over the average temps of the spire and the max, and it seems to do sorse than the NH-U12, which is worse than the H7.

>>59878045
IMO
Go for a B350 mobo instead, going for 1600 instead of x version can be considered too (1600x has a guarantee for good overclocks though).

The ram I have no idea.
At the moment, it appears dual rank memory is your best bang for buck. Finding something 2667 dual rank would be a better buy, but if there's better ram compatability down the line, the rams you picked may be ok (as for now, they will not run at 3200mhz).

I can't point you two double rank ones, because I don't know which ones are, and I can't be bothered to put in the effort to find ones right now.

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>>59878150
>Because computers don't come with wifi.
They do, at least on the more expensive side.

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Am I stupid for doing this?

Basically a while back I bought a used AMD CPU+Mainboard+Cooler from Ebay and the guy screwed me and send me a short circuited parts (got it confirmed by a pc shop).

Now I just want a fucking PC to play for little money, it's apparently going to bottleneck my RX470 but I don't have 100€ left for an i5 and I don't even own a fucking full hd TV, just 720p. I JUST WANT A FUCKING PC OK

Or should I fall for the Ryzen meme? Just not really into AMD after the whole incident, also 1151 seems set for the future with Cannonlake.

>>59878153
I cant really speak for the 1700 but my 1600 is running perfectly fine at 3.7 with the included cooler.

>>59878134
Price is not worth it.

>>59878155
Check that compatibility issue with the cooler's mounting brackets.

>>59878181
did you get a refund on the short circuit parts

>>59878181
>buying shit from Ebay without knowing who to go to in the used PC parts scene
Don't ever do this.

Also, that i3 is shit. Go for Ryzen if you're going budget. It's practically a cheap Ivy Bridge but with updated instruction sets and modern hardware support.

>>59878181
AMD is more set for the future, as they'll most likely keep AM4 for at least 3 years.
If you don't mind spending more money right now, AMD 1600 is a good pick, as it should last you a good while.

G4560 is a better buy than 6100, but you must buy a b250 mobo for it to work. Pick this if you want a cheap route, but one that will not last that long.

>>59878174
I would rather not go Intel at my price range, but thanks for letting me know.

>>59878181
>1151 seems set for the future
1151 is a dead socket now that we know the X series of chips will be using LGA 2066.

>>59878201
It was this weird thing where you're actually meant to personally bring it over, don't know how it's called in english ebay "kleinanzeigen" in german, but many people use it for normal mailing. The guys intent was to screw me over.

>>59878214
Just found out Ryzen is already out, yeah no, that's to much money. I want something for 100€, they start at 200€.

>>59878153
It's supposedly really good.

As long as you don't OC too much, it'll do well, supposedly not super loud either.

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>>59878251
NOOOOOOOO

>>59878252
>Just found out Ryzen is already out, yeah no, that's to much money.
Get the really cheap two core Intel pentium with hyperthreading then.

>>59878070
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tXjKRG
Remove your aftermarket cpu cooler if you arent overclocking.

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>>59878272

>>59878195
>compatibility issue
Source?

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>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LncPNN
Here is my $870 huge-dick-value build.

>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f9cNjc
Someone posted this in the last thread which is really good, too.

If anyone is looking to make a 1600 system for cheap, you should probably start with either of those.

>>59878057
3.9 at 1.352v? Nice if that's actually stable and not just CPU-Z stable.

>>59878045
imo you're spending a lot of money while only having an SSD that won't fit much more than your OS.

I'd stretch your budget out more, or drop the 1070 to a cheaper GPU to get a better SSD instead.

>>59878070
Get a less garbage motherboard.
You could get one with wireless on it and forget the wireless card, too.

>>59878359
>too small ssd
Alright. I doubled the size, since my budget IS $1500

>>59878328
As hilarious as 4cores is on a 2000+ pins LGA, the even more hilarious thing to me is that it only has 16 fucking PCIe3.0 lanes.

Maybe Intel will surprise and the motherboards will be $125 instead of $250, and the CPU will be $250 instead of $340. But it's still so fucking stupid.

>>59878288
I think you replied to the wrong person.

>>59878359
Which AM4 mobo has built in wifi?

>>59878252
FYI i'm selling my PC for a new R5 1600 build in Göttingen, specs are:
>i7 870
>4x4 GB DDR3 1600, 2x ADATA XPG and Crucial Ballistix Sport
>XFX RX 470 RS Black Edition
>1TB Hitachi/HGST 7K1000
I'd sell the GPU only after RX500 launch, it's the only i have around currently.

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>>59878410
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LncPNN

>>59878410
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X370%20Professional%20Gaming/index.asp

>>59878458
whoops didn't mean to quote build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BK6jCy

Here's my build.

Hopefully when this is all together I'll have a nice black and white motif and then I can ruin it with some dumb LEDs.

>>59878410

In addition to these
>>59878468
>>59878458

The ASUS Crosshair VI Hero and ASRock X370 Taichi also have built-in wifi.

The Taichi is also the board to get for AM4 right now.

>>59878485
Why a windowed case when the non-window versions with sound absorbing foam are an absolute comfort to the ears?

>>59878458
>>59878468
>X370
>$150 mobo
No thanks

>>59878402
nope. talking to the right person. talking about the build.
>>59878509
then just get a b350

>>59878509
Yeah that's why I said those with built-in wifi are more expensive.

>>59878506
So I can look inside at my dumb LEDs.

Plus nonwindowed is more expensive by like $50 last time i checked. The windowed are only that low for a good sale.

I figure if it sucks ass I can just swap the panel in the future.

>>59878410
Go to newegg and you can filter for wifi, if pcpartspicker doesn't also have that.

>>59878458
That's a REALLY good one for having built in wifi. A lot of them are crap.

>>59878045
Yeah, too small SSD, as others have said.

120gb... 30-40gb goes to windows, 12 gb has to be freed, that leaves you with 68-78gb for games.
Which is like 2 larger games.

250gb+ or nothing imo.

>>59878601
120gb is only good for linux
windows needs like 500gb because goymes, temp files, and paging files eat up space like a hambeast

>>59878328
someone remake the moar cores with moar chipsets

>>59878601
>>59878635
>>59878359
is this better? cant get any higher with my budget. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Qf3MgL

>>59878153
Only noctua tier coolers would give a decent upgrade over the stock 1700 cooler. Or a watercooler.

>>59878671
The H7 is pretty wasteful honestly.

>>59878703
>The H7 is pretty wasteful honestly.
For a 1600X? No it's not. That's on the top end of what you ought to use.

>>59878671
Looks fine. I'd just worry about spending so much on the 1070 only for Vega to shame it.

You just have a 1080p 75hz monitor. An RX480 or even RX470 would be more than good enough.
Just save that money and apply it to an upgrade later.
Or if you have a left over GPU, use that for now and see how Vega is and if 1070 price drops or if you want Vega.

>>59878518
>>59878523
I am, which then means I nesd to get a wifi card.
>>59878575
Will do, thanks.

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Why is my motherboard so hot?

reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/64zw20/am4_motherboards_list_041217/
Lists motherboard VRM phases.

3 is too little for the first phase (CPU) and should be run for stock 65w TDP chips only. 4 for 95w TDP ones. 6 is as more or more than anyone will need for a 1.4v overclock, if not 5 really.
Some boards have way more than that. That's basically for LN2 and shit, though it certainly doesn't hurt and can help with smoother power delivery which means less overvolting, IIRC.

>>59878777
Are you using an AIO?

Make your rear fan blow on it instead of pull out.

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>>59878703
it has better thermals than the NH-U12S

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>>59878638
need more housefire tech

>>59878819
been a long time since i used paint.
>>59878874
kek

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($289.98 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: ASRock X370 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard ($307.98 @ NCIX)
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($159.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Fractal Design Define S ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $111.87)
Power Supply: Thermaltake Smart M 850W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $0.00)

I'm mostly using it for gaming, homework, and movies, in that order. Using that PSU because I dug it up in my basement. The Taichi might be overkill but I picked it just because B350 boards are relatively expensive in Canada and it seems to be a safe choice for OCing and ram compatability. plis help

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Had no signal on the screen, took it apart and added pieces at a time, GPU fans won't budge so it presumably died even though it worked fine yesterday.

On the other hand I was planning on moving to a new rig soon-ish, which meant new mobo, ram... basically everything. I think I could still have use for this though instead of mothballing it, so I was thinking of getting a cheap second hand gpu for it in the meantime. Thoughts?

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>>59878966
>Canadian prices
nope, nope, nope nope nope

>>59878966
you could at least make a pcpartpciker list, so i can easily make it American currency (AKA the dollar, AKA everyone (who doesnt live in America)'s dream currency

>>59878819
Not him, but this is what I meant by the H7 being overly good for it.
You don't need $80-$150 coolers like Intel to get 50mhz under the wall.
An H7 is only $35 so why not buy it?

Personally I got the C1 because it's just so sexy and helps cool VRM and RAM as well.
Most of these Ryzen boards have good VRMs but their heatsinks are usually not good enough on the cheap ones.

>>59878966
Holy shit. You pay 60% more for that motherboard than the US. It's $190 here.
At least the RAM isn't too terrible by comparison but it looks like they're seriously price gouging those boards there.

>>59878874
To be fair, the 1950X is going to have higher TDP than those. 180W most likely.
But it'll also have double the multithreading performance as Intel's 10 core, so.

>>59878671
Does that case come with fans? like 3 of them?

Still, I think you should go with a B350 mobo instead, and possibly opt to use a r5 1600 instead (if you're gonna buy a aftermarket cooler anyway, it's not a big deal, as you get a better binned chip).
Your SSD is fine, you may consider going with Crucial MX300, just for the larger size, and therefore longer lifespan.
The HDD seem fishy... $64 for a 3TB disk? That HDD is probably intended for different use than desktop. If it's enterprise HDD, it'll be LOUD, like give off the same loudness as the HDDs did 10 years ago. To be on the safe side, consider a WD blue (I think, the 7200rpm one anyway).

>>59879315
its a refurbished HGST enterprise HDD.

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>>59879315
Not everyone wants the 1600 non-X, anon.

Some people really want that 100-200mhz more OC potential. Or they don't want to overclock, and want to have good performance stock.
1600 pretty much requires an overclock if you're not GPU bottlenecked and want the real big dick perf/$.

I dunno why so much of /pcbg/ assumes everyone will be proficient at overclocking and shit. Overclocking CPU is way more of a pain than GPU, even if it's easier than usual on Ryzen.

What do you guys think of this RAM sale, apart from the completely ridiculous and stupid amount of memory?
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/32gb-(2x16gb)-corsair-ddr4-vengeance-lpx-black-pc4-24000-(3000)-non-ecc-unbuffered-cas-15-17-17-35-x

>>59879076
>>59878999

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/RZ3MgL

>>59879482
Would be better to grab a 16 gig kit with better CAS.

>>59879520
Ryzen cares little about CL compared to frequency, for the most part.
Even CL18 is fine.

>>59879482
It's okay. I've seen better prices in the US 2 months ago, which are similar to UK. Maybe shit's gone up.
You used to be able to get 2x16GB G.Skill CL15 3000 for like $190-$210.

If you need 2x16GB, you probably don't need fast RAM for what you're doing and should just get 2400.

so I fucked up a flash drive of mine and made it RAW. is EaseUS Data Recovery the best thing out there to save my files? To save em all, it costs $70 for the pro upgrade...

>>59878966
>>59879485
what do you need help with? peripherals? monitor? this build looks okay, i just got you a cheaper RAM set. it still has samsung chips, so it should still run 3200 fine on Ryzen. https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/3MbDFd

>>59879643
well shit. canada wins one. i just realized the trident z is cheaper than the ripjaws v in canada. goddamn you canada

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Giant retard here. Looking for a cheap gaming PC, and laptopscribes recommends the Dell Inspiron 7559, which is super cheap at $670. But after looking at other places, I found a very similar laptop in the same series for $850 that also had good reviews, only difference being:

>Intel Core i5-7300HQ compared to i5 6300HQ
>Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti compared to GTX 960M

Is the difference worth the extra $200? Should I stick with the one on laptopscribes?

[spoiler]also, how bad is using your laptop on your bed[/spoiler]

>>59879643
I'm fine with peripherals, I just meant the components themselves. Not sure if the Taichi is worth 50% more than other x370 boards. Also, the TridentZ memory I have is $50 off right now, so it's cheaper at $160 CAD.

>>59879698
Jesus. You can make a 3x more powerful PC for $870.

But ya I guess it's okay.

>>59879811
gonna be a student so I'm going to need that laptop

should I go with the cheaper one? Is the extra $200 worth it for a better processor/GPU?

also do spoilers not work on /g/ or what

>>59879989
Get a used thinkpad for 200 bucks and make yourself a desktop PC in parallel is what I'd do.

>>59880008
dealing with storing a PC, moving it from school/home, in addition to the fact I'm going to be on my laptop 90% of the time with not too much time for gaming, makes me extremely hesitant to drop money on a PC

>>59880088
You do not want to be carrying around a giant, heavy laptop all day every day. ThinkPad X series is what you want for school.

>>59880129
the dell one is cheap and light which is one of the reasons I'm so interested in it

plz, I am not interested in dropping money on a PC I won't have time for, just want some advice on which laptop to get

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Ok /g/, I've decided on an R5 1600 build, but make sure to suggest if you disagree.

USAGE:
>Work (software development, compiling code, some VM usage, some office apps usage)
>Occasional video compression
>Games at 1440p @ 120hz (I'm happy with 80-90 frame-rates)

1) I plan to OC, hopefully to 4.0Ghz. Do the 1600 generally allow this? Am I better off spending a few more for the 1600X?

2) Is the cooler included with the 1600 good enough for this? I don't mind running a bit hot, as long as it's inside AMD's safe temps I don't care.

3) Are the B350 boards good enough for the OC task? I don't really plan on using the premium features of the X370 chip.
Will I be fucked later 2 or 3 generations from now and find out only the X370 boards are compatible with the new chips and not the B350?
Please advise what boards are recommendable and what to keep away from. I plan on using 3200Mhz RAM.

4) I have no idea what RAM to get. Should I just check the mobo list of compatible RAM and get the cheapest?

>>59878045
go with a bigger HDD if this is all your budget allows
Or, free up some money by getting rid of that razer mouse and put it towards more space

>>59880183
>Am I better off spending a few more for the 1600X
Purchasing a 1600x along with an H7 cooler is probably your best bet.

> Is the cooler included with the 1600 good enough for this?
The 1600 will struggle to get up past 3.7 on the included cooler.

>Are the B350 boards good enough for the OC task?
A decent b350 board should be good enough.

>I have no idea what RAM to get.
Purchase 3000+MHz ddr4 memory. Make sure to check your chosen motherboards compatibility list before purchasing though.

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I've got a 802.11n wifi adapter from an old build and wondering if upgrading it is worth it or not for my new build. New router does AC but it's just a 75Mbps connection from Comcast. Would upgrading to AC only matter if I had a much faster connection?

Well a 470 block the pciex1 on my mATX mobo? Do they normally make them with double wide gpu in mind?

>>59880357
fucking disgusting how spics look like potatoes

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Going to build this machine eventually (rx580 instead of 480 obviously). Anything you would change?

>>59880267
>The 1600 will struggle to get up past 3.7 on the included cooler.
Any aggregated info on this somewhere on the internet?

>>59880445
Fuck you man. Im mexican. Theres a didference between white Hispanics and real beaners

>>59880447
>network adapter on a mobo with wifi/bluetooth
>buying a refresh of a refresh of a refresh of a refresh

>>59880497
I haven't built a PC in a long time and didn't even consider that mobos came with wifi now lmao

>>59880447
I would opt for a 500gb SSD, you want those quick load times in games. And recently, installed game sizes are growing quite fast, some more than 50GB.
Also, are you sure the CPU cooler will fit the case?

Other than that it looks fine.

>>59880538
Not many, but usually any of the top tier chipset mobos that cost over $150 have onboard wifi and bluetooth (ex: asus strix z270, asrock taichi X370)

>>59880471
>white Hispanics

>>59880741
yes, a white Hispanic. basically not a fucking nigger or asian. can probably trace my ancestry to spain if i got a dna test.

Think I finally figured out my build. Tell me if I've fucked up on anything.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6wKR6X

>>59880920
>$100 keyboard
why
>mobo is called SLI killer when you aren't even using crossfire.

>>59880920
Get B350 if you don't need the X370 features.
Get faster RAM and check QVL
>22"
lel

>>59881005
I'm only getting an X370 for the integrated wifi.
>>59881003
Most good quality MKs are $100+

>>59881022
1. Get powerline if you can as wireless is superaids.
2. No.
3. That monitor is kys tier.

>>59881038
1. How so?
2. Give me one example that isn't chink shit
3. Give me a better one then.

>>59881022
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CDYB8F6

>>59881071
1. Latency and dropped packets will always be a thing.
2. Zowie FK are sub $100 (mice.) My chinkshit keyboard was $30 but is the best I've ever owned.
3. Is that your max budget for a monitor? That's going to be rough.

Built a budget box about 5 years ago for a coworker.
>fx-6300 stock
>Radeon 7870 GHz 2GB
>8gb ddr3-1600

His son plays games on it at 1080p and is of course starting to complain about low fps in modern titles. After looking up the 7870 benchmarks (essentially an r9 270), it seems to still be a solid contender for 1080p. Giving 40+ fps on most games on high to ultra.

Trying to keep the price down, I figured the best performance bump for him would be a new CPU. (And motherboard + ram to go with of course).

How does the following sound? Think it will give a boost to gaming?
>Ryzen r5-1500x -$190
>MSI B350 Tomahawk motherboard -$60
>EVGA 2x8GB ddr4-3200mhz -$100

>>59881111
1. Sorry but wireless is all I have.
2. Chink shit is just cheap knockoffs of better made boards honestly.
3. Going any higher will be going over budget (already a bit over as is) so yeah

>>59881163
buy him a 1500, and then buy a discount 470 or some shit

>>59881022
>I'm only getting an X370 for the integrated wifi.
That's stupid, a B350 board + wifi card is like 130, X370 starts at 160, at least where i live. Imho you should do as >>59881038 said anyways, wifi sucks ass for gaymen.

>>59881191
Microcenter does have the 1500 non X and honestly, it's worth paying the $20 premium for high out of box clocks because neither the coworker nor his son is tech savvy enough to know how to OC.

As for the video card, like I said it's easier to keep it. The fx-6300 is really what is holding back the system for gaming right now.

Plus this guy doesn't want to go mid range gpu again. When he goes to upgrade the GPU, he wants higher end so he can sit on it a while.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ycFMgL

General-purpose build. Suggestions? Not really sure about the MB in particular.

>>59881214
> wifi sucks ass for gaymen
I don't have access to ethernet.
>a B350 board + wifi card is like 130
The board I have now is like $150 and a B350 ATX board and a wifi card is $145, which is a negligible price of like five bucks.

>>59881179
>>59881255
Maybe we could rearrange some things to save a bit.

First of all, this is good advice if you absolutely must have wifi. X370 seems like a waste for you otherwise. >>59881214
Could save you $20 or so as PCI-E wireless cards are pretty cheap as are B350 boards.

The RX480 at $240 is overpriced for what you're getting in my opinion. Downgrading to a 4 GB 470 will not lose you a ton of performance and you could parlay that savings into a bigger monitor which will always be a better investment than a GPU long term. Seriously 24" or bust in 2017. There are many right around $150 and they frequently go on sale for even less.

Other things you could save a bit on are the case. There are serviceable ATX mid cases in the sub $50 range. I'd also grab the 520W 80 plus bronze Seasonic to save yorurself about $25. That's more than enough especially because you'll never be crossfiring/SLI on that mobo anyway.

>>59881255
If it's really just 5$ difference then yes get the X370.

>>59881255
>B350 + a wifi card is $145
Alright then stick with X370 then I guess. Didn't realize those wireless cards were still so expensive.

>>59881255
>I don't have access to ethernet.
Where the fuck do you live that you don't get a port?

>>59881411
maybe he lives in an apartment or off his neighbor's wifi

>>59881442
What kind of apartment doesn't give the dweller access to the port?

>>59881503
The kind where you're leeching off someone else's connection.

>>59881503
i dunno.
>>59881248
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x2c7HN

>>59878777
It could be that the temp sensors are off which happens a lot with ASUS shit which is why I wont buy them anymore. According to them my processor has been running at 100+ for four years now.

In case someone wants to buy the Taichi or any other ASRock AM4 mobo for OC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNc4q1kBwhE

What's this I hear about bootleg windows 7 being upgradeable to legit windows 10??

>>59882007
You're way late. That's when MS was still doing free upgrades to 10. And even then, it wasn't a legit copy after the upgrade half the time.

>>59882079
Some anon mentioned in another thread that you can use the accessibility thing here to do it today. You just have to turn on sticky keys apparently. Can anyone confirm?

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

>>59881317
As I have stated, a PCI-E card + a B350 board is around $145.
>The RX480 at $240 is overpriced for what you're getting in my opinion.
It's cheaper than 90% of GTX 1060 6GBs.
>Seriously 24" or bust in 2017.
I can always upgrade my monitor later. They aren't that hard to replace.
>There are serviceable ATX mid cases in the sub $50 range.
Such as? I would love to hear some suggestions.
>I'd also grab the 520W 80 plus bronze Seasonic
Why bronze? I've been told to not underspend on your PSU.

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>>59877975
Bought a new processor and will be forced into Win 10, how do I go about fixing this?

>>59882422
You don't. You bend over, grip the table, and take that MS dick nice and deep. Welcome to windows 10.

>>59882499
But what about Gentoo?

>>59882422
Stop falling for the new processor meme in a world with minimal practical performance gains and zero innovation that doesn't consist of a gay simplistic UI?

>>59882509
I mean you could. But if you're ITT asking what do about windows 10, Gentoo is not for you

>>59882572
just

OP do you know how many threads we have on building a computer every day? There are dozens. And every time it's the same thing, "/g/, new to computer, do everything for me and I buy" or the classic "I want to play videogames so build me a computer". Well OP, as a seasoned /g/-browser, I'd like to tell you to go fuck yourself. Have you ever heard of the Falcon Guide? Well then go google it, you lazy worthless sack of shit. And as I sit here eating my Subway™ Tuscan Chicken Melt Sub™ I come to wonder, why is there such a constant influx of idiot aspies? One can only wonder, but I'll assume you are either from /v/ or /b/. I would also like to take a minute to tell you to go back to your cesspool of shit and to kindly not come back to /g/ unless you have something worthwhile to contribute. I'm not trying to be offensive to you, it's just that I hate lazy sperglords like you. You do know that the internet is a very large resource with a wealth of information right? Well did it ever come across your mind that somehow, _somewhere_, there might be a place that is actually dedicated to helping people with their first build, that isn't /g/? Of course it wouldn't, because you're a thoughtless shitstain. Your specs are shit, your build is shit, and you're shit. But what else is to be expected of a cock-mongling niglet of such status as yourself? As I stated before, go back to whatever cesspool of shit you came from, and please, never return here again.
-/g/

>>59882608
this is a great copy pasta

>>59882618
the "lazy sperglords" insult is a bit trite.

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I need help finding a replacement gpu for my pc since its dying
I have an ASUS 8500GT(pic related) and a 380w psu if that helps. any ides for a replacement?

>>59882161
>>I'd also grab the 520W 80 plus bronze Seasonic
>Why bronze? I've been told to not underspend on your PSU.

The efficiency rating isn't the most important part of spending when it comes to a PSU - it's the construction/materials and the stability of the power delivery. Even the Seasonic bronze will be fine from that perspective, not to mention that bronze was the "gold standard" so to speak for around 10 years until manufacturers started getting better at producing higher effiency supplies

What higher efficiency will get you generally is slightly less power draw from the wall, and more significantly less heat production which MIGHT translate into longer lifespan and/or less fan noise depending on the setup.

Anyway, Seasonic is a quality brand that you basically can't go wrong with as long as you get something with appropriate wattage and connectors.

>>59882709
Your graphics card and PSU are terrible - what do you even use the computer for that you need a new GPU?

>>59882876
I mean personally I would rather spend extra on my PSU than spend less and cheap out on it if that makes sense.

>>59882900
i use it for playing older games like cs 1.6 and cod 2 since i dont really play games that require much better specs

>>59882990
Just literally buy anything that doesn't require an external power cable. Your graphics card is so old that current integrated graphics are faster.

>>59882709
I would send you my 560Ti for free but your power supply probably couldn't handle it

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What would you pay for this

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>>59882161
>As I have stated, a PCI-E card + a B350 board is around $145.
Fine, just get it then. You have limited options here so I say go for it.

>It's cheaper than 90% of GTX 1060 6GBs
If you're already over budget and you're getting a low-end monitor, just consider saving where you can. The monitor's usefulness could potentially outlast the graphics cards by a lot. You can get about 85-90% of RX480/GTX1060 tier performance and save about $80 if you hunt for an RX 470 sale. $170 for RX470s right now. The 1060 is overpriced for what it is.

>I can always upgrade my monitor later. They aren't that hard to replace.
Sure but if you get a decent one there's a good chance you won't need to replace it for a much longer time than the lifespan of a midrange GPU like the RX480 or GTX1060. You could always use the cheap monitor you have selected as a second panel I suppose but of course you'd need room for it. Just speaking from experience as I've found my monitors typically "outlast" my graphics cards in terms of when I want to upgrade.

>Such as? I would love to hear some suggestions.
Source 210 Elite (built an office PC for my father using Source 210, surprisingly good quality for the price).
Also built in a Corsair 200R for my brother which was totally fine too, but it's $55 right now.

Others I have no experience with but are well reviewed/seem okay and generally under $50: Corsair 100R (could be tight fit), HAF 912, N400, SPEC 01.

>Why bronze? I've been told to not underspend on your PSU.
Bronze is fine for home PC use. Gold is more efficient and I'd recommend it if you were putting together a machine that would be running intensely near 24/7 for better power savings, but if it's just general usage, 80 plus bronze should be plenty efficient and a 520W PSU will be able to deliver more than enough juice for a Ryzen + single midrange graphics card PC. The RX 470 draws 145W under torture and the Ryzen 5 draws 75W under full load.

>>59883081
$3.50

>>59883081
Like $500-600 tops

>>59882709
1050ti, it's small like the 750ti

>>59883081
which desktop i7 runs at 3 ghz? is it a T or S series?

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>>59880811
are you serious? lol

>>59883126
never mind I forgot about the 1st gen core cpus

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>>59883081
>AIO for a locked (probably T edition) i7 at 2.93 GHz

>>59883081
>What would you pay for this
nothing its trash m8

>>59877975
>Currently worthwhile GFX cards:
>RX470 8GB, RX480 8GB,
there should be a disclaimer to wait until the 18th for 500 series.
*prices converted from eur leak, us prices may be lower
RX570/4:$169, 1244/7000mhz
Rx580/4:$200, 1340/8000mhz
RX580/8:$230, 1340/8000mhz
at only 22/1000mhz behind a reference 480, it seems the aftermarket 570s may be the same performance as all but the best current 480s
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-580-570-eu-suggested-retail-pricing

>>59883081
mobo + CPU? 50 dollars
everything else you can keep

>>59883081
part it out on ebay, use sold listings as price guidelines

>>59883029
thanks, ill browse through ebay for some new cards

>>59883142
avatar posting youngfgt, it's a P55, that's a nehalem chipset and an old i7 8/9XX

>>59883098
> $170 for RX470s right now.
I would rather invest in larger VRAM right now.
>built in a Corsair 200R
Thanks, will be getting one of those.
>Bronze is fine for home PC use.
How good is the 500W EVGA Bronze model?

Retard time: buying a AM4 mobo and according to the "supported memory" datasheet non of the RAM my cheap Parts store sell matches up, so can i get away with any RAM at a frequency the Mobo supports?

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Did I did a bad purchase with the PSU?
i already bought it and opened. Will I be alright?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j8JHKZ

>>59883282
>I would rather invest in larger VRAM right now.
The problem is the GPU on the RX480 is typically going to be maxed out at 100% usage before it'd ever be pulling from over 4GB of VRAM anyway. Unless you play modded skyrim with massive textures or you have future plans to crossfire another RX 480 (thus increasing your GPU muscle) I don't think it's really worth it to tack on another 4 GB that the GPU isn't powerful enough to utilize anyway. There are a handful of games that limit highest settings to cards that have 8 GB of VRAM but like I said, unlikely the RX480 could pull worthwhile FPS on those games at those settings anyway. But get whatever you want, that's just my take.

>Thanks, will be getting one of those.
Cool. It's not too fancy but should have everything you need.

>How good is the 500W EVGA Bronze model?
Looks good. I have a 430W EVGA 80 plus (one tier below bronze) in my spare PC and it works fine. That one should be good.

>>59883322
Hard to say. RAM is really sketchy on AM4 right now. I wouldn't try one that isn't specifically listed by manufacturer as supported.

>>59883341
>$200 H170 mobo
Damn that's expensive. PSU should be fine.

>>59883354
In mexico it was at discount, it cost me about $90.

>>59883322
To save yourself a headache go with whatever is on the supported list. Hardware manufacturers got caught with their pants down with AMD's release, you only need to look at the BIOS updates mobo manufacturers scrambled to put out there, should tell you they barely had a beta done.

>>59883354
>But get whatever you want, that's just my take.
I know the 4GB vs 8GB argument, its just an issue of what I would feel more comfortable with in the long run. Plus the XFX GTR looks really pretty anyways.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fnp4hq

Tear me apart gents; my entire setup. What can i improve? Looking probably for more RAM and maybe another GPU even though i love the one i have. Maybe a motherboard too. I have some knowledge of things but not an expansive one, this is my first build.

>>59883485
meant CPU here, the 1070 is wonderful hahaha

>>59883485
needs approx 230 dollars worth of poptarts
get a G3 version of that PSU, a serious flaw was discovered in the G2 EVGA series
also that is a full tower case, it's the size of a manlet, get something else that is mid-ATX

>>59883528
>the size of a manlet

lol. I bought it not knowing how big it was going to be. I grew to love it but yeah its time to shrink.

and damn really? Haven't had problems yet but thanks for the advice

>>59883528
If you're referencing that article some anon posted a couple threads ago, that was only "confirmed" for the 550W G2, and may or may not exist in the G3 lineup as well if it does exist.

They only thing they claimed was safe was the Platinum or Titanium series, can't remember which.

Either way the G3 isn't as tested as the G2 but you'd think it'd be a more widely reported issue considering how popular the G2s are.

And at the end of all of that, I bought myself a 650W G3 so we'll see how it goes.

Bottom line: Who gives a shit.

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How do I know if I installed my parts correctly/they're not fucking up at faster rate?

I built mine 4 months ago, running smooth, just it makes me nervous because I work at an electronics retailer and people tell me their MBs get fucked for improper installation all the time

What happens when a PSU die and how do you tell if it's going to be time to change soon?

>>59883584
>Bottom line: Who gives a shit.
3rd worlders with crappy power lines browning out or blacking out at irregular times
Otherwise has no relevance, I have a G2 750 myself, but better safe than sorry

>>59883606
They get fucked for improper installation because of their ham handed ways. Get fit and you'll have no problems controlling your fucking fingers or wrists.

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>>59883208
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MYXGD8
>can game and oc a little on reference coolers
>Gaming 3 has the same 1220 audio chip as x370 boards

7700 or Ryzen 1700?

>>59884149
Ryzen 5 1600X.

Can Ryzen run 4*4 DR 2400 sticks? Would it affect performance compared to 2*8GB?
Dual rank 2400 is almost twice as cheap as 3200 in my country, with 4GB sticks being the cheapest per GB.

Mushkin ssds, yes or no? They are fairly cheap compared to other brands like crucial or Samsung.

Which one? EVGA 850w BQ or 750w GQ. Both are $80. I'm only thinking of these because of the price. Or should I say FUCK IT and choose between EVGA 850w G3 and the Corsair RM850x which are both $120? $40 over the original ones I wanted. I ain't constantly keeping a PC on 24/7, to make it clear.

I know that component quality matters, but the prices make it hard to decide whether or not the difference in wattage is worth the hit in quality; I love the extra wattage. I will be overclocking as high as I reasonably can. Might do crossfire/sli in the future. Who knows, it might get better 3 or 5 years from now (very unlikely, but still).

Should I just wait for a good sale? Currently have an Antec HCG 520m Bronze limiting my overclocking potential (overheats and forces PC to reboot).

>>59884713
>Might do crossfire/sli in the future
G3 850

>>59880449
Silicon lottery. Mine doesn't seem to like 3.8 at all and stress test fail no matter how much voltage I feed it but there are people running theirs at 3.9 or 4 under safe voltages though I'd say they are outliers

>>59879458
It's way more work trying to OC a GPU than CPU, especially such an easy CPU as ryzen.

Bump your vcore up a bit, add multiplier.
Done.

GPU.
Max out voltage
Add core mhz, until it breaks, restart, do the same thing again, restart, etc etc, start to work on your memory speed, crash, restart, etc.

>>59884865

You should be aware that SiliconLottery does very limited testing on very high end parts. All they do is run either IBT or prime95 (I forget which) for an hour with an AIO and call it good. That is in no way enough time to call an overclock stable so while it may seem xyz chips to certain gigglehertz, the reality is a lot of them might fail under extended stress testing.

Anecdotally I could get my old 8320e to pass an hour of IBT standard at 4.9ghz but it would never survive 10 hours of it.

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>>59884897

>It's way more work trying to OC a GPU than CPU

I disagree.

CPUs - especially on top tier boards - have considerably more options available to them, many of which are tied together so straight multiplier overclocking doesn't give the best results. There are shitloads of tweaks you can do to squeeze every mhz out of a cpu. In fact ryzen is the perfect example of that because it can clock up (and down if you are an underclocker) in 25mhz steps which is a level of control previously unseen.

GPU overclocking is much easier as memory tends to be fairly disconnected from core clocks (except hawaii) and to a certain extent all you need to care about on the gpu side is keeping it cool. Plus a bigger factor is a gpu crash is an obvious thing - cpu overclocks can fail in many, many ways not obvious to the end user unless you start trawling through system logs.

Not to mention a cpu (in theory) must never, EVER be allowed to crash. Consumer gpus aren't really considered mission critical i nthe same way so both AMD and Nvidia will simply let the driver crash and restart if you hit the hardware wrong. Their workstation/server cards (ala firepro, quadro and whatnot) do not allow this and while you can always bring anything down it takes considerably more effort. Don't segfault gpus anon.

>>59885175
>cpu overclocks can fail in many, many ways not obvious to the end user unless you start trawling through system logs.
You use things like intel burn tests.
It'll tell you if it failed, despite not crashing.

A GPU can run well with an overclock with a benchmark... But then fail in a game, and give you artifacts.
Once it's "crashed", you have to reboot the pc, because the GPU has downclocked itself.

If you go into bclk overclocking, and ram overclocking, then yeah, CPU is much harder. But ryzen even has software that allow you to OC your CPU directly from windows, as if you were overclocking from the BIOS.

if i dont plan on overclocking is it still a good idea to buy a ryzen 1600? or should i get ryzen 1500x

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zsFrXH


Any suggestions/additions?
I'm considering buying them today.

>>59885286
drop the 6500 and buy either an ryzen 1600 or 1500x

>>59885271
R5 1600 still has best overall value. The extra threads will benefit more in the long run. And, you can always overclock later if you feel like it. Options are nice.

So I'm using a Samsung 850 evo and I get around 540 MB/s read and write. When I looked up the ssd product page on Amazon I saw screenshots of people getting 2000 MB/s with the same ssd and some people are getting similar results to mine. Why are those people getting such high speeds compared to me?

>>59885351
silicon lottery
try again next time

>>59885351
> Samsung 850 evo
Pretty sure that's SATA3 only, which caps at 600 including overhead
Those 2000 results are either completely different devices using pcie or raid setup

Anyone have any suggestions on mini itx cases that fit full size graphics cards and atx psu's? The cooler master 130 and corsair obsidian look pretty decent but i dont have any experience with mini itx builds.

>>59885567
Node 304

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>>59885266


>cpu software overclocking

If you don't do it in the bios don't do it at all.

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I picked these parts for my first PC.
I used only laptops so far.
No games, just programming and shitposting.
Total price: 491.50€

>>59885659
>i5
>7400
>no games
Fucking corelets
Get R5

>>59885286
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bpPHKZ

>>59885271
The 1600 is still the better choice due the added cores/threads.

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>there are people who buy still a i7-7700k
Why are people so stupid?

>>59885639
It doesn't matter with ryzen, their software seem to be working.

You do all your GPU overclocking from windows too.

>>59885745
Because
>MUH HIGH FPS

>>59885745
Because i only play games and ryzen is like every amd a full failure.
Intel + Nvidia.
Everything other is a compromise

How high do you reckon I could push a 1600 with the stock cooler,

I'm feeling 3.9 at approx 1.375 should be reasonable right?

I'm upgrading from a 1060 to 1080, how do I deal with drivers? Does it just do it automatically through GeForce Experience? I should I manually remove the driver/uninstall GF Experience?

>>59886084
>I should I manually remove the driver/uninstall GF Experience?

You should always do this just in case because auto-updaters have a tendency to leave files behind that cause blue-screens/your flavor of shut downs with the new shit you got.

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>>59886057

>>59886084
Use DDU to fully uninstall the old drivers.

>>59886144
That's fucking sexy if you're on the stock cooler, I'm assuming that's pretty close to winning the silicon lottery though.

How high do your temps run?

Wait 1160 or buy 1070 (1060?)?

Are there any tests of 7700 vs Ryzen?

>>59886187
Depends on your budget/needs anon.

>>59886177
>Stock cooler
Yup

>How high do your temps run?
44-48 Celsius idle and benched after 2 hours it actually reaches approximately 80 Celsius.

>>59886187
It's gonna be 2060 and 2070. Wait if you can, yeah.

>>59886201
Stock 7700 or 7700k?

7700k is better if you want to game at the highest possible FPS but gets shitboxed by the 1700 in pretty much any other situation.

I personally would only consider a 7700k if literally all you do is game and play games like CSGO where you need the most frames you can possibly get.

>>59886214
What's the ambient temp?

>>59886230
Note that the 6 core and 8 core Ryzens have the same performance in gaming so you can get a 1600>1700 if you want to save dosh.

>>59886214

>benched after 2 hours

Benched with what? This is critical information for understanding whether you are a pleb or a pro.

>>59886230
Stock. I need PC for games and games only.

>>59886203
~300 eur, need 60 fps in 1080 (2k will be nice) for couple of years

>>59886311
Currently have i7 4771 and amd 7780

>>59886214
80 degrees seems high desu but probably wouldn't be an issue in games. Considering it's stock cooler that is very admirable.

>>59886256
if you can only afford the 7700 stock due to a tight budget I would go with the 1600 as the main reason you go for the i7s for gaming is to get the 5GHz OC that gives it the big fps edge.

The stock 7700 will still net you higher frames of course but nowhere near the difference between a 4GHZ R5/7 and 5GHZ 6/7700k and at that point I don't think it is worth it.

>>59886311
honestly I don't know the prices in Euroland but I'm assuming the 1070 is out of budget. Honestly the 480/1060 will be fine for 1080p gaming for the next 3 years. See what you can get on the 2nd hand market, pretty sure americans are getting the fury x for $300 or so but I'm honestly not sure.

I see on TechCity a 400$ build for run many modern gamers but is a Little outdated, someone can recommend me an actual build for the same price?

>>59886144
>>59886057
But sue said vcore above 1.375 will degrade your CPU!!!

>>59886448
For 400 bucks you're looking at a pentium + 460/70 I'm guessing.

Pretty sure there must be a few builds out there that someone has done for that price range.

>>59886636
1.45 is degrade over 5-10 years territory. Even AMD said that anything under 1.4 was fine.

>>59878777
What program is this?

>>59886448
Pretty hard to find, you'd have to skimp a lot on the PSU and case... Which I wouldn't suggest.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3QT9pb is fairly close though.

>>59886654
Are you sure about this? Source on the 1.45v degrade over 5-10 years!

What's the best mATX board for Ryzen? It needs to have a PS/2-port.

How's this looking. Note the 480 is only a placeholder till the 580 comes out next week.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/XMqy7h

>>59886842
Ditch x370 board for a b350, use the spare money for a 1600/1600x (I wouldn't suggest getting a 1400 or 1500x, they're awkwardly priced).

Put some effort to find faster ram, that is dual ranked. This will likely take a bit of effort, as it's hard to find that detailed specifications.
Ryzen is highly dependent on the RAM.
You want to find something that can do 2667mhz in dual rank (not dual channel).

Don't get a kingston SSD (some of them perform at the same speed as 7200rpm hdd), and get one at least 240gb+.
SSDs need at least 10-15% empty space on the disk, otherwise it'll degrade in size quite quickly.

cd/dvd write is moot.
I personally think mid towers are too big for the modern day, but this is preference.

>>59886899
Thanks for the advice on the RAM. The SSD is just there for the OS to run off so im not super fused about size.

>>59886842
How much is the 580 going to cost?

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This is my current setup

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/bcQ9pb

and I keep getting FPS drops no matter what I run, I'm on latest drivers, BIOS and everything. Anyone else running AMD CPU+GPU confirm?

>>59886972
Same as current 480.

This is what i have so far: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZHvksJ
Now, what i'm not sure about is whether B350 or X370 and whether 1600 or 1600X.
I am willing to spend more for a X370 + 1600X, but do i really need it? The only thing X370 has that interests me are Intel NIC instead Realtek, better audio and better VRM.
B350 has nothing going for it other than the excellent price that will save be roughly 50 bucks.
What combination of CPU and mobo would you recommend is money isn't that much of an issue, i just don't want to overspent a ridiculous amount of money. Also going for after market cooler, my flat tends to get hot during summer.
I've selected a 550W PSU that, theoretically, is more than enough, but reading some reviews i fear that on 3.9-4.0GHz @1.4v the CPU can draw power leaving not much headroom with 550W, should i get the 650W or 750W instead for OC and upgrade aka Vega headroom?

Is the PSU good for this build?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/wGmHKZ

I plan on waiting for 500 series and see their price and performance before pulling the trigger on this one btw.

>>59886965
I don't think that'd make much of a difference in your experience.

If programs have to run from a HDD, you'll still feel the long load up times.
Even at start up, the OS will boot up, but then you have to wait for the programs loading from the HDD.

>>59887112
B350 has less integrated controllers and lanes but otherwise offers the same overclocking and turbo capabilities as X370
Unless you really care about those sata ports or pci lanes for multi-gpu you can just ignore the chip itself and focus on extras (power, sound, network) of a motherboard.
Pretty sure there should be no quality difference between best B350 and worst X370 but the latter usually come with better extras.

1600X is just a higher stock clock version of 1600, same cache, same OC options, probably higher max OC capability but it's still silicon lottery.

Anybody looking at Ryzen 5, the MSI B350 Tomahawk is 15$ off and with a combo deal with any R5 and 16GB Corsair Vengeance 3000 is another 25$ off.

>>59886975

The mtro benchmarks put way, way more stress on your system than actually playing the levels in question does. Last light is rather infamous for it.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xkT7HN

What do you guys think?

For right now it's just a budget build to learn Linux, programming, and networking.

No gaming or video editing.

I picked the case so that I could upgrade in the future, or re-use it for an entirely new build.

Later on, I'd like to turn it into a full-fledged workstation for MATLAB, SPSS, etc..

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Is this worth doing, or should I wait another gen?
Sapphire Tri-X R9 290X → Gigabyte 1070
i5-4670K → i7-7700K

Cost of parts: $730

I might be able to sell my old parts for $100 or $150 perhaps

>>59887454
I have the tesseract. Great case with alot of space. The stock fans aren't much good but theres alot of room to upgrade, not that your build will be producing alot of heat.

Maybe get another RAM stick 4GB is a tiny amount these days.

>>59887224
Tbh i'm currently in favour of B350 + 1600X because i won't use the Sphire cooler anyways and i'd rather pay for the silicon lottery ticket than be stuck with shit OC.
Question is... which B350 should i get, while X370 is rather well reviewed by now, imho B350 is not nearly enough.
The options i consider are: Asus Prime B350-Plus, Gigabyte (((GAMING))) 3, MSI Tomahawk (which seems to have a POST issue but great RAM compatibility) and the ASRock (((GAMING))) K3, i prefer this one over the ASRock Pro4 because of seperated audio, isn't that much more expensive after all.
My main concern is RAM compatibility and the fact that only MSI offers an extensive QVL list doesn't help the cause. Would be great to know how the Gigabyte and ASRock boards handle 3200 RAM, couldn't find anything conclusive.

>>59887454
>Wifi + DVD drive
Are both of these really necessary?
You could save 10$ by getting a 400w PSU.
Should have at least 8GB of ram.

>>59887489
> 2B edit
Hot damn.

>>59887569
ikr?

>>59887502
>>59887529

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hf9Lnn
Switched the PSU and RAM stick.

>>Wifi + DVD drive
>Are both of these really necessary?

No, but they're inexpensive components. I may do some shopping on ebay and craigslist to see if I can find something cheaper, however.

>>59887696
Just used a wired connection. Its a desktop its not gonna be moving anywhere no reason not to have it wired.

>>59887722
Actually, one possible reason is miracast.

>>59886707
Speccy.

Thinking of getting a 1050 ti and an i3 6100 for my first build, living in Australia sucks it's so expensive

>>59887489

Get ryzen and sit on the 290x until vega and then go balls out for a 4k build (regardless of whether its Nvidia or AMD on the gpu side).

>>59887823
I don't understand all the hype for Ryzen. It just looks like a temporary build and thus a waste of money. What makes it so great?

>>59887849
>temporary
Until what? Corelet Lake-X?

What's XMP? Do I need to enable it? Does it benefit me in gaming?

>>59887849

Getting a 6900k for half the price is pretty awesome. Plus ryzen has a shitload of onboard I/O which means at nearly every price point it'll outstrip Intels offerings. Ryzen 7 invalidates every kabylake i7 that isn't the 770k which NEEDS to overclock to pull ahead.

At the price point ryzen 7 (and to a lesser extent, 5) comes in at you get a chip that has no real weaknesses.

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r8, h8, deb8

Also this is CAD not USD which is why it might look expensive

>>59888034
>Buying a dead socket CPU in 2017.

>>59888034
You can get a 1080 for the same price now.

>>59888034
>7600K
Either go 7700 or Ryzen.

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>>59888067
>>59888103
Better?

>>59888091
Not in Canada

>>59887911
I don't quite understand why the R7 is better than a non-overclocked 7700K. Could you elaborate?

Likewise, I don't do very much multitasking, so the excess cores really don't do me much good. Is an overclocked R7 better than an overclocked 7700K?

>>59888122
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xkT7HN
>arctic freezer 7
lmaoing at ur life m8

>>59888122
Replace that cooler with an H7.

>>59888166

>Likewise, I don't do very much multitasking, so the excess cores really don't do me much good.

Well, operating under the assumption you do nothing that can saturate a 7700k then sure, go for Intel.

>>59888190
It would be pretty rough maxing out a 7700k

>>59888188
H7 isn't available anywhere in Canada

>>59888176
It's only temporary I'll buy a good cooler once I get enough money

>>59888246
If money is an issue why not simply get a 1600 and use the bundled Wraith Sphire cooler? It's actually decent, not that loud, decent temps and even allows for some OC.

>>59888232

There are plenty of workloads that would cripple a 7700k.

>>59888246
>It's only temporary I'll buy a good cooler once I get enough money

If your budget is tight why not just go with the 1600 and use the Wraith Spire that comes included?

>>59881214
Nope, you can get a good X370 after rebate for $130.
Plus you get the other features of X370 with it.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qTPDFd

Regardless of the prices, I choose some of the parts (as the PS) depending on what's currently available in my country.
Shipping will cost me a lot more cash.

>>59888338
>Nope, you can get a good X370 after rebate for $130.
>rebate
Jewish EU does not compute.

>>59882422
Install GNU/Linux

>>59883081
It's worthless.

Motherboard is ancient.
CPU is nehalem.
AIO is crap and probably dying.
GPU is crap.
PSU is mediocre.

Maybe $40 for the case?

>>59883208
$170 MSRP for the 570 is nice considering it's about the same speed as the RX480.
Might end up seeing those for under $150 soon then.

>>59883341
Why no 7700, and why $200 for an H170?
7700 stock clocks are way higher than the 6700. They're even higher than the 6700k.
And 2133 memory...
Pretty terrible build all around, really.

>>59884897
>>59885266
I'm not saying it's the most difficult thing in the world. I've been doing it for decades since I was a kid.
But it intimidates a lot of people and they'll never do it. So stock clocks do matter for lots of people.

GPUs are simply easier to overclock. That's just a fact.
They make artifacts or the driver crashes. Bad CPU overclocks crash your PC.

>CPU software overclock
These are not good. They always severely overclock. They're only good for a baseline to start with before you refine it.

>>59888512
>They make artifacts or the driver crashes.
Which requires a restart

>Bad CPU overclocks crash your PC.
Saves you time from having to restart it yourself

Why do some AM4 boards have onboard DSUB/DVI/HDMI/DP ports when Ryzen chips don't have an IGPU?

>>59888603
Could be futureproofing?

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>>59887489
Haswell to Delidlake is not an "upgrade"
Just get the 4790k and you can save money on motherboard and RAM.

Keep your GPU for now. Just upgrading to the better Haswell CPU will be a big upgrdae for cheap.

>>59888122
MUCH better. Though I don't know how you can justify that much money for that much GPU performance.
Maybe you should just get an RX570. That'll probably be like 70-75% the performance for like $225, no?
And yeah, the H7 would be better.
Really the H7 is overkill for that CPU. But at least in the USA, they're super cheap now, so you may as well.
I don't think the Artic is bad. Better than the 212 Evo.

>>59888232
Uhhhh. Tons of games now days max out a 7700k at 5ghz under 144fps.

>>59888359
>i5
>$130 z270 board
>2133 RAM
>$270 1060
Is this bait? Why did you choose these parts?

>>59888365
sorry.

>>59888588
>Which requires a restart
Uhhh I overclocked my 7970 to 1325mhz and never had to restart it. Lmao?
Just have to restart the driver and turn down the clcoks unless you fucked up so bad trying so unstable of an OC that your video fucked up so bad that you couldn't reset the clocks.

>>59888603
>Why do some AM4 boards have onboard DSUB/DVI/HDMI/DP ports when Ryzen chips don't have an IGPU?
You can put an A12-9800K in the motherboards and overclock that on them.
AMD said they're going to sell those to consumers in Q2.
And Raven Ridge in H2 2017.

Would make for nice budget builds. $400 PC that can play any game now days as long as you turn settings down on some of them, then add in Ryzen or Raven Ridge later.

>>59888666
>Is this bait? Why did you choose these parts?
Assuming it's because he's third world.

>>59888666
Nice double trips, Satan

Can you explain briefly, or link me to some documentation, on why Haswell is better than Kaby Lake? My price range for a new processor is $400 and lower, so I'm shooting for the best processor I can get for that price. Likewise, I don't need much multitasking so the most power for $400 is what I'm aiming to get

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>>59888747
Not him but the 7700k is basically just a tweaked up, shrunk down, slightly higher clocking version of the 4790k (or likely 4770k) that you can slot right into your existing motherboard that will perform within 10-15% of it. Not worth upgrading to a new mobo/DDR4 just for that.

>>59888279
>>59888292
The 1600x would be better in the long run since I'm planning on getting a good air cooler anyways

>>59889035
>>59889035
>>59889035
>>59889035

>>59888747
CPU wise, Kabylake is slightly better.
It's a smaller manufacturing process, so it uses less power for similar performance.

The bad part about it is you often need to delid the 7700k, which voids your warranty, to get good temps. Sometimes people get 50-55C IDLE on a 7700k and have to delid just to run it stock, that's how bad it is.

Since you already have a Haswell motherboard, and DDR3 memory, it would be stupid to get the 7700k over the 4790k.
If you're going to really upgrade, get a 1600 or 1600X.

>>59889045
spamming duplicate threads is against the rules. This is still at 287.

>>59880267
>>59884865
Fuck, I think I'm going for the 1600X then. Single threaded performance is still important for me.
If I would need to buy a cooler anyway, I guess I can shell out the additional $30

The cases with just a flat front panel and a small vent on the side, are they much worse at cooling or is it about even with open-front cases?

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>>59877975
I need ze help.

I currently have 4GB of ram and Intel Pentium E5800 ( DUal core, 3.20GHz), And I find my computer to be running pretty slow lately. I use it mainly for programming and I usually have Visual studio 2013 opened, along with a crapton of google chrome tabs.

So, what should I upgrade? CPU? RAM? Something else?
My budget is around €200.

Also, I want to get a new hard drive. Around 1 TB would suit my needs.Which brand to go for? I hear WD and seagate are disaster prone.

>pic unrelated

>>59889303
Motherboard matters too.
On a decent motherboard with the new BIOS updates, a lot of people have been able to drop voltage about 0.05v

>>59889665
Is it 4GB of one stick?
Get another similar 4GB kit and buy a used Q6400-Q9700 to put in there for a cheap upgrade.

>>59889785
No, 2x2GB. Should I get one stick for 6 gb, or replace them both for 8gb?

>>59889829
Yeah replace both with 2x4GB. 4 sticks will be slower for games at least.
2x4GB DDR3 shouldn't be too expensive at all.

What do you think of this for development? I have old GPU I can use

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($218.44 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($87.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.88 @ OutletPC)
Case: Fractal Design Define Mini C MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($36.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $589.68

>>59888122
>>59888034
Replace the PSU. NEX is their older branding and if you are able to purchase one, go with the G2 or G3 series. It's like $10-20 more tops and worth it.

>>59889867
From what I see, that would be around €70-80 here. And besides, I don't even have that many slots on my mboard.

Regarding the processor, I can't find the brands. Any specs i should go by?

hey guys my little brother currently only has an a8 7600, all he does is play games, he wants to buy a graphics card or a processor, I think he should go with a rx 460, what do you guys think? a graphics card should be the way to go instead of a processor right? he only plays games

>>59889880
Just get the ASRock AB350M Pro4.
It's $65 after rebate right now at Newegg if you review it, assuming it's still in stock.

Looks good, though I'd spend the extra to get at least a 240GB SSD.

>>59889941
Uhh they're 10 year old CPUs. You obviously have to get them used.
Quad core that fits on LGA 775, obviously.
>From what I see, that would be around €70-80 here
Are you sure you're looking at DDR3 and not DDR4?

>>59889942
If you can get the RX460 for $70, sure. Otherwise it's just not worth it considering you can find RX470s around $110-$130 which are TWICE as good.
As for CPU, I'm pretty sure the Athlon X4 860k is about the best you can get on that socket.

Actual new thread:
>>59890027
>>59890027
>>59890027

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>>59890034
I'm very sure. That's Serbia for you.
Hint: divide by 120 for europrice

>>59890034
>As for CPU
We can only do one upgrade, either CPU or GPU, I assume only upgrading the GPU should do for now since all he does is play games.

Locally I can only get:
RX460 2gb XFX/Gigabyte $160
RX460 4gb Sapphire $220

GTX1050 2gb EVGA $240
GTX1050 TI 4gb Asus $260

RX470 4gb Gigabyte $310
RX470 8gb Sapphire $330

I guess I should just check benchmarks for the games he plays and choose between a 1050 and a 460, you guys think I should always go for 4gb or 2gb would be fine?

>>59890034
>ASRock AB350M Pro4.
I'll give it a look, thanks. I think I plan to use my current SSD.

>>59890136
That CPU is going to bottleneck a lot of games and dip under 60fps.
But you can't replace the CPU without a GPU since it's an APU.

Jesus christ $160 for an RX460. They're $70 in America. Where do you live?
I guess the 2GB RX460 makes the most sense out of those, but shit man.

Go new thread
>>59890027
>>59890027
>>59890027

>>59890523
Argentina, that's 50% import taxes+middleman for you

>>59880471
>white hispanics
>hispanics
>white

ahahahahha

>>59877975

Purpose: workstation, small desk

Software: davinci resolve, inkscape, gimpshop, autocad/solidworks

Games: GoG, humblebundle, steam, once a year AAA

2560x1600 60Hz
Any budget, have peripherals
Storage is handled by network
Expecting ~5-7 year machine

>>59888687
Why would you assume that?
The prices are a lot different here, also I don't get the idea of getting a ram between 2800-3200.

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There's a 1440p 144hz G-Sync monitor going for $300 with a MIR hoop to jump through, and I'm really close to biting the bullet.

Only question - I've gamed on 1080p for over a decade at this point, and my only concern is that it's not "as good" for mobas/brawlers/fighting games as 1080p. I don't really have anything to back this up beyond the fact that most "professional" players use 1080p to drive high framerates. Does anyone have any experience with this? Am I overthinking it? I'm picking up a GTX1080 soon, so I'm not worried about driving it too much.

Sorry for the shit question in advance.

>>59894880
What's wrong with your current monitor that you are considering replacing it?