/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Evidentally I've made some stupid decisions while planning out my build.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PthTRG

Please fill in the missing places with parts that would be best. I don't know as much as I think I did.

I'd like to use this as a rig to power a racing sim when Forza 7 comes out.

>>59869485

That's a nice case desu

>>59869514
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PthTRG
>i7
wew lad what a fucking mistake

>>59869514
dont

buy

that

case

i have the same one and it gets really dusty, the front panel that is

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So what's the verdict on Zotac as a company and their 10 series GPUs? I read online that they offer the highest clock speeds for their GPU's and their AMP Extremes are GOAT but I'm a little wary about that

>>59869528

That chip is sitting at 4.5ghz and beats pretty much everything in benchmarks. Money well spent, which is why I'd like to keep it.

>>59869534

Already have it, but my front isn't dusty?

Building a new R5 1600/1600x gaming computer.

should I buy rx580? or buy 1060.

>1080p gaming
>144hz monitor
I know both gpus can push 100+fps in most games just not sure which will be more worth.

>>59869514
Is there an advantage to SSD's like that?

>>59869545
>beats pretty much everything in benchmarks
what while stuttering and being a housefire?

>>59869545
>Already have it, but my front isn't dusty?
it will be soon or your airflow is shit

Hey Guys i want to upgrade my Graphics from the GTX 960 to a new one.

I want only to play in FullHD.

So should i buy a GTX 1060 or a GTX 1070 or the RX one?

>>59869564

I bought it because the motherboard (a gift) had an M.2 slot and I figured it was a good place to keep the boot drive since I still have two 2.5" bays.

But my M.2 is SATA which uses the same sort of data lanes as a hard drive or an SSD, whereas more expensive M.2 drives are NVME which are much faster and don't use a SATA port so you can have more HDD/SSDs

>>59869580
buy 1060 lol. 1070 is for 1440p range.

>>59869551
Get a 580 when they come out or a 480 right now.

If you are going Nvidia I wouldn't get anything less than a 1070.

>>59869571

>stuttering

What a dumb meme. When I was putting together the build I ran it through a ton of graphics benchmarks because I was stoked to own a gtx1080. Running Heaven, I recorded a min FPS of 9.3 but that was ONLY when it was transitioning scenes or coming off the main menu, and that was literally one frame that would drag down the FPS.

Otherwise, running Witcher 3, Fallout 4, Civ V, etc, I've yet to see anything drop below 100fps on a 1080p monitor. (Except Fallout 4 because that has to be locked at 60fps)

And as far as the housefire meme goes. Stress testing it on a heatsink only gets it up to 70c.

>>59869577

I have 2x140mm up front, pulling in. Anyways, it's a dust filter, it's supposed to catch dust!

>>59869588
so with a 1060 i can play most of the modern games in 60 fps?

>>59869514
If you like to have money in your pocket don't buy an i7 and don't buy an m.2 SSD. get a 1800x if you really want to spend that much money and buy a Samsung 850 EVO. Also 16gb of 3200 ram

>>59869623
yes a 1060 will run basically anything at above 60FPS if you play at 1080p

>>59869548
Yes. And that $10 more is worth the 5-20% performance increase. It gets you more performance/$ overall for your system
An even bigger performance increase with APUs.

>>59869528
i7 aren't good performance/$ with Ryzen 5 here, but they're still good at what they're good for.

>>59869514
You need a cooler. lmao. Get some 2800-3200 RAM.

>>59869582
All M.2 aren't NVMe. You have no clue what you're talking about so stop spreading misinformation.
>>59869564
Just smaller. That's it, when they're SATA M.2 like that one. Exactly the same otherwise.
>>59869625
M.2 don't cost any more for a SATA M.2

>>59869580
>>59869623
RX470. RX480 if you really want to spend more, but the RX470 does 60fps+ on virtually every game if you just slightly turn down settings.

>>59869604
Subjectively, people say they stutter. You can see it in video capture, too, even though the FPS counter is still high.

>>59869636

>all M.2 aren't NVME

>But my M.2 is SATA
>whereas more expensive M.2 drives are NVME

Dude, c'mon.

And the i7 is awesome.

About to pull the trigger on a masterbox 5. Any reasons not to?

epic eight core crossfire gaming rig for my battlestation
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LRrLnn
r8/h8

>>59869635
What i dont understand why are the 1060 are having only 6 GB of VRAM

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>>59869649
>it doesn't have basic reading comprehension skills to understand

>>59869661

Not really, unless you don't like the looks of it. My Master 5 is built well and it's nice to be able to remove the drive cages for airflow. There are two HDD cages on the bottom and two SSD brackets above the basement, plus a lot of room to install CPU coolers and work with cable management with the panels removed.

But they're a big case, too big for what I realized I needed. In retrospect I would go ITX or mATX (if I saw SLI in my future)

>>59869664
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LRrLnn
Why not 2 R9 Fury and a 4k monitor?

Really, you could make an actual good build here for the same money if you wanted to.

>>59869671

I said my M.2 was SATA, but others are NVME.

If someone doesn't understand that, then it's their loss.

Also, no one has helped me with my RAM/PSU/CPU cooler/monitor/keyboard/mouse question so I can leave the self-righteous circlejerk that is /pcbg/ alone.

>>59869604
It's not a meme. I went from Ivy i5-K to a 1600 with a 144Hz monitor and suddenly running at >100FPS is not a stuttery mess with frametimes all over the place.

>>59869692

Maybe that's because you went from a five-year-old 4c/4t processor to something that's modern.

>>59869540
Zotac was so shit in the past no one wants to be anyone elses beta tester and give them a chance.

>>59869669
because 1080p gaming doesnt use more than like 2.5-3gb of VRAM why would you even buy the 6b model. Get the 3gb.

>>59869551
RX 580, nvidia drivers a shit

>>59869678
I really love the look of it and it seems very versatile. I'm just kind of hoping it ends my search for the perfect case as all the other cases I've had fell short of my expectations and needs, probably my fault for not researching thoroughly. Did the case come with a 5.25" drive bay or is that something you order extra?

>>59869730

My case is a Pro 5 and at came with a 5.25" bay.

>>59869729
but amd always builds fucking bad drivers

>>59869743
that says more about nvidia then amd

>>59869712
Tech reviewers are subjectively seeing stutter even with the 5960X and 7700k, both with an SSD.

I'd say the juries out until it's proven /not/ to exist. I'm on a 2500k, which stutters for obvious reasons, so I can't comment.

>>59869603
I wouldn't even get a 1070 unless you know it's required for 144fps in the game you play and you absolutely need 144fps minimum in it. Like Overwatch, for example.
The performance per dollar on the 1070 is awful even when it's dropped to $325.
For 1440p? Get an R9 Fury in in the US, most of the time.

>>59869743
AMD's drivers are better than Nvidia's now days.

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Should I do it ? I need to go with intel for VFIO Passthrough. I chose the 144hz panel because I play a lot of old games and emulation (3rd to 7th Gen) and I'll get very fluid gameplay in those.

>>59869784
Er to add:
This seems a lot like the microstutter thing like 5+ years ago with SLI and AMD GPUs.

People were swearing it happened. Tech analysts were saying it didn't.
It took them many months (over a year?) to figure out how to measure for it to see that it really was something that happened.
Software measured frametimes are not a viable metric.

>>59869784

>blah stutter blah blah blah blah

I'm tired of hearing about how shitty my chip is, when my own experience is completely opposite.

All I want to know is what to fill in the missing spots with on the list.

>>59869712
Most likely, but it's something to consider for those still clinging to Sandy/Ivy i5s like they were the second coming of Jesus because, frankly, what we got from Intel was just exactly the same plus a few more megahertz for 5 years. Now that we can have an actual upgrade at a similar price point it would be foolish to keep pretending 4c/4t is still perfectly fine if you want to keep Discord and others up while gaming or you're using a 100Hz+ monitor.

>AMD has better drivers than nVidia
>Asrock makes best motherboards, Asus is worst
Did I slip into bizarro world recently?

>>59869790
buy SSD you will not regret. switch 1070 for 1060, buy a 6700k and overclock. save money and get basically the same performance

>>59869790
I have no idea about the PSU, but the rest seems fine.

>>59869743
Have you just waken up from a 2 years coma? Nvidia drivers have been a fucking disaster lately while AMD has been fine and improving since they changed to the Crimson drivers.

>>59869813
Welcome to 2017.

>>59869813
You slipped into the best timeline.

>>59869813
AMD Fine Wine, baby. Honestly AMD having better drivers than Nvidia has been the norm for like 2 years now, granted there's some silly stuff with crimson.

What's a good CPU for an H97?

I need it for 3D rendering

>>59869813
Well nvidia still has the best power usage

>be me
>casual gaming on my 13 inch mid 2012 macbook pro
>installs 500gb 850evo
>16gb of ram
>loads faster into games than all of my friends with 2000+ dollar pcs

it literally has a 2C/4T i5 its garbo

lmao

>>59869831
The best part is that ASRock is still well priced, despite being the best.

Gigabyte's Ryzen boards are also way fucking better for less money than their Intel ones.
I think a lot of it is that they well overestimated the power that Ryzen would draw, so they overbuilt the fuck out of motherboards.

But now you have some retardo B350 boards like the MSI mATX GAMING one, that can't handle an overclock and which should be A320. Though I guess they work for underclocking...

>>59869844
It'd say it's been since the second Crimson Edition drivers release that they were really good. Finally like no significant issues at all. I forget when that came out.
And since then they've kept getting better, while Nvidia's keeps getting worse.

Nvidia even ties fucking game keys to a GeForce account and hardware instead of just giving you a key that you can give to a fucking friend if you don't want it, in addition to many other fuckups.

>>59869861
True, but who really cares? RX470 and RX480 wattage are still acceptable. They're less than half that of the Fermi GTX480.

>>59869681
liek this?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YpfGD8

>>59869861
Sure, not going to upgrade my 960 any time soon, at the very least until we get Vega or something with Maxwell+ tdp (fan noise)

>>59869886

>despite being the best
the only reason /g/ likes them is because asus doesn't want to support amd chips like do with intel.

>pins on cpu
lol. yes give me a larger risk of ruining my $400 chip rather than my $100 motherboard

Old 290 literally just cooked itself, thankfully no other casualties. What's another good placeholder while eternally waiting for the next big thing? Price isn't a problem if it can be justified, am using 1440@144hz.

>>59869814

The 6700k /w Mainboard costs more than the 7700k /w Mainboard where I live. I had already considered going for Skylake.

Will a SSD make any difference aside from loading times, boot time and opening files ?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f9cNjc
Is there a better option for the motherboard that is at around the same price point?

>>59869902
How do you even completely ruin a cpu with pins? Step on it? I've successfully fixed dropped AMD cpus, as well as improperly inserted or removed ones with entire rows of pins bent at 45-60 degree.

>>59869917
no but load times are fucking insanely fast

im never going back to hard drives now that i know how fast SSD's are

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>>59869902
>lol. yes give me a larger risk of ruining my $400 chip rather than my $100 motherboard
For one, the pins are much beefier than LGA ones.
I made my first PC in 2001, made so fucking many sense. I've never had that problem. I've never heard of that problem.
It's just some bullshit non-issue that cucks obsessed with jews financially dominating them have made up.

>>59869917
loading levels and streaming in assets which is common in newer engines.
scratch disk if you get one with a long enough life time.

>>59869918
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f9cNjc
Not sure. I just know the mATX ones. But that board is very good.

>>59869514

Can anyone answer my questions? Please point me towards the best RAM/PSU/cooler/monitor

>>59869964
>best ram
>best psu
>tfw newfag

best RAM is the cheapest DDR4 you can buy.

best PSU is the best rating you can buy for the least amount of money

best cooler probably a 212 evo for aircooling. watercooling is now the new norm.

monitor go for either 1440p 144hz or 1080p 144hz.
personally I have a 1080p 144hz. they are all the same really just go through newegg and amazon and see whats cheaper lol. the real decision making is the cpu and the gpu.

>>59869964
best PSU was linked multiple times in the previous thread.

best cooler is subjective. Depends on what you want.
best monitor is subjective. Depends on what you want.
best RAM is whatever 2800-3200 is on sale. Intel CPUs care more about true latency than actual frequency. Google how to calculate the true latency of memory.

>>59870011
>best cooler probably a 212 evo for aircooling
no it's not

> watercooling is now the new norm.
and most AIOs cool worse and create more noise than high end air.

>>59869964
>RAM
Fastest DDR4 RAM you can afford just use PCPartPicker's filters

>PSU
550w+ G3, G2

>cooler
Up to you if you want to air cool or use an AIO cooler

>Monitor
For a 1080? A 1440p @144hz is what I'd aim for for. You wont hit 144 fps but you will be hitting 60+, tune down your games graphical setting accordingly

I'm looking for a build that's music production oriented. In other words I'll be using a DAW, some MIDI controllers and (hopefuly) lots of virtual instruments and samples. I suppose CPU and RAM should be the most important parts? I already have an external soundcard.
I'm from Brazil so prices could be a problem but I really don't mind spending if it's worth it.

>>59870067
Which DAW?
You'd have to look up benchmarks to see if it's single threaded or multithreaded.
Give a budget, equivalent to USD.

>>59869514
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mrz9pb
>Forza 7
>not using the biostar racing mobo
>do you even wanna go fast?

>>59869514
Honestly it looks fine except your dumb ass motherboard.

Hmm should i buy a rx 480 or a Gtx 1060

>>59869514
All shitposting aside about the i7, Forza seems to love more cores and threads.

It's not a game benchmarked a lot, but this is telling when the 1600 that's only 3.2/3.65ghz handedly beats the 3.5/3.9 6600k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JypkqwpOtNI

>>59870132
Unless there is a specific game you play that the 1060 is optimized for and 20% better in, the RX480 as it's better on average and cheaper.

>>59870067
Ryzen 7 1700, 3200mhz RAM kit and an asrock B350 Pro4 or asus prime B350 motherboard.

>>59870132
wait next week for the RX 580

>>59870085
That'd be Ableton. Budget would be at about 950 dollars but I believe most hardware components sold here get almost 50% more expensive because of heavy taxation, though.
Thanks in advance.

>>59870143
He doesn't need 3200mhz RAM for fucking music.
2133 or 2400 is fine for production. Few production applications need faster RAM nor faster infinity fabric.

>>59870156
$950 isn't a lot considering that things cost more there.
Do you already have a GPU you can use? PSU? Case?

>>59870154
i think you're right i should wait for the rx 580 or vega

>>59870174
3200Mhz RAM is like 10-20 bucks more at most per 16GB, easily worth it. In fact second cheapest kit I could buy was 3200.

If it was like double the price sure but it's a tiny ass premium for better performance across the board for most stuff.

>>59870156
That stuff is multithreaded and uses SMT, so R5 1400 at the very least. But you might want to get a 1500X or 1600 if you can afford.

Try to put a build together in pcpartspicker.com that has what you think you need. Add custom part for what you already hard or try to look it up and mark it as purchased.

>>59870189
Vega will be 1070 prices at least. But RX580 looks to be 8-13% better than the RX480 at the same price, which is already better than the 1060 on average, so it's a no-brainer.

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I feel so cucked paying the yurotaxes to build sharia schools and refugee houses, holy shit

Hitler did literally nothing wrong

>>59870197
The MSI RX 580 should be out at the End of April or?

>>59870189
If 1080p, RX 580

If anything over 1080p, Vega

>>59869902
>bending pins
>a risk
???
are you a literal retard or something to bend your fucking pins?

>>59870209
the 18th

>>59870205
*house burns down*

>>59870209
5 days.

>>59870205
l m a o.
Buy something used maybe?
That's just so not fucking work it.

Frankly, I think 1070 is a trash card.
It's too powerful for 1080p. Okay maybe for 144hz, but how is 90fps not good enough? The difference between 90 and 60 is huge, but 90 and 144 is hard to tell for most games.
It's too weak for 4k.

It's like the "muh futureproofing" card, I guess? But most games are still console ports that are going to run 60fps+ on an RX480 anyway since they were made to run 30+ on something weaker than the RX460 that's half as powerful.
And Nvidia midrange cards are known to age shittily. 8GB of HBM2 is going to age much better since a game can use 12GB of VRAM and not hurt it much, just like how the Fury with 4GB of HBM outperforms the 1060 at 4K in games using 6GB of VRAM. And Vega is supposed to improve that further.

>>59870245
wat?
1070 aren't housefires at all. Even the 1080Ti isn't.

>>59870238
The only time I've seen pins bent is
>I'm bending a pin every day until Vega is released
shit

>>59870174
I probably exaggerated a bit with the numbers, and sometimes we have some decent prices during sales. Maybe we could try a higher budget and see if the prices match?

I have a PSU (it's a 400W Corsair iirc, but I'll look into it when I get home), a shitty case which probably isn't worth it and no GPU. Would a GPU really matter for this build? I would've thought that the onboard chip would be sufficient, but at the same time I don't know shit. Thanks again.

Is a 1070 a good upgrade from a 780?

>>59870252
Yes you need a GPU since Ryzen don't have integrated ones. They stopped putting GPUs on the motherboard ages ago.
Your 400W PSU will be fine.

Can you wait until Q3 or Q4? Then you can get the AMD APUs which would save a lot.

I mean you could just get an RX460 or 1050 which around like $70-$115 US... but they're kind not-worth-buying bad. The price-performance on them sucks.
Whereas the upcoming AMD APUs will likely have a GPU that's 50-75% as powerful included for like probably $25 more than an equivalent CPU without it.

>>59870253
Does your 780 not feel good enough? People are still gaming 1440p on 280Xs and 290Xs.

>>59870251
The only time I've seen a bent pin is when someones CPU leaked acid or some shit ontop of the CPU which literally ate trough the pins so hard that they corroded from the middle and couldn't keep the weight.
The concept of bent pins in the first place is fucking unthinkable.

>>59870279
>The concept of bent pins in the first place is fucking unthinkable.
kek well, I've bent Intel LGA ones; they're so fragile.
But I was able to bend them back with a needle.

AMD ones are so beefy, you'd have to have them on a hard floor and step on it. Just dropping it generally isn't enough. And if it does, it's much easier since you can use tweezers on them instead.

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>>59870251
Its not like is just a 1070 thing, and I'm not buying it, fuck the juden

>>59870276
>Does your 780 not feel good enough?
Not for top end stuff, and its only going to get worse. I want to upgrade from 1080 to 1440p as well, and it already has trouble holding 60 on graphically intensive games.

Speaking of America getting the best deals.

8GB ROG Strix RX480 + Prey for 200 Euro. wtf?
computeruniverse.net/group/prey/donnerstagsdeal.asp

>>59870323
drive to Germany or whereever and buy it for under 1/4th the cost with a new and good looking game included?

>>59870344
>drive to Germany

Where fuck do you think that caps are from?

Germany is the cheapest place in europe and yet the prices are retarded as fuck

Just a quick question, will a 550W EVGA G3 be enough, or should i spend 5-10 bucks more on a Super Flower Leadex II 650W?
I won't OC from the start, but do want to OC maybe in a year when i upgrade my GPU and monitor to 1440p 144Hz.
According to the PSU calculator 550W should be enough, but it says i can hit up to 472W under load, which leaves little head room and isn't really efficient.
Am i correct to assume the 650W is the better choice?

OuterVision PSU Calculator part list http://outervision.com/b/HEAcmp

Motherboard: Desktop
CPU: 1 x Ryzen 7 1700X ---> 1600 OC !!
CPU Speed: 3900MHz
CPU Vcore: 1.4V
CPU Utilization: 90%
Memory: 2 x 8GB DDR4 Module
Video Card Set 1: 1 x AMD Radeon RX 480
Core Clock: 1331MHz
Overvoltage: 5%
Memory Clock: 2188MHz
Storage: 1 x SSD
Storage: 1 x SATA 7.2K RPM
Optical Drive: 1 x DVD-RW/DVD+RW Drive
Other Device: 2 x USB 2.0 Device
Other Device: 2 x USB 3.0 Device
Other Device: 1 x Fan Controller Device
Keyboard: 1 x Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: 1 x Gaming Mouse
Fan: 5 x 140mm
Computer Utilization: 8 hours per day
Load Wattage: 472W
Recommended Wattage: 522W
Amperage: +3.3V: 9.6A, +5V: 14.8A, +12V: 34.7A
Recommended UPS Rating: 900VA
Generated by OuterVision PSU Calculator 2017-04-13 06:23:40

Also somewhat related. Do you think getting a X370 now (because better VRM) and upgrading the CPU in like 1-2 years for hopefully better OC on AMDs side is worth it, or should i simply stick with 1600 and B350?

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>>59870373
I'd go with the 650W for 10 bucks more as it gives you more flexibility if you overclock or upgrade, for instance, to vega.

On a similar note, why do I never see anyone mention the asrock b350 pro4?
>9 phase VRM (more than some X370 boards)
>DDR4 3200Mhz support
>$85 on newegg

Seems a damn good choice for the 1600

So... R5 1600x/B350 or R5 1600/X370?

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>>59870420
>asrock

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/PQ3BJV
thoughts?

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>>59870443
MSI shill begone

>>59870420
asrock and gigabyte are the most reliable moboes for ryzen desu.

What's the absolutely TINIEST computer one could build that's still good enough to do real work like run After Effects, Photoshop or polygon-heavy sculpting/modeling?

>>59870420
>9 phase VRM (more than some X370 boards)
No. It has a 6 Phase: https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146.html
>DDR4 3200Mhz support
Officially all mobos have this support, but idk about real values, have you real values on this?
I'll go with G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 CL16, idk if it will work on ASRock.

Also ASRock seems to have some issue with the latest v2.xx BIOS, idk m8.

>>59870355
Then apparently you're shopping in the wrong place if it's 849 EUR when I just linked to
But it's gone now. kek.

God, europoors really are dumb.

>>59870498
>asrock and gigabyte are the most reliable moboes for ryzen desu.
[citation needed]

>>59870373
If the 650 is more efficient, especially at lower wattage, go with it.
Or just get a better 550 in general like the Seasonic 550RM, because, no, you don't need higher wattage.

> X370 now (because better VRM)
uh better VRM? There are B350s with better VRMs than most X370s.
You don't need VRMs capable of delivering 500 watts stable to the CPU if you aren't doing LN2, anyway.

>>59870420
>why do I never see anyone mention the asrock b350 pro4?
Haven't I mentioned it a lot in this thread? Or was it the last one?
Yeah it's 6+3 phases. More than you need, but cheap as shit.
It's actually $65 for the mATX one on Newegg.

>>59870438
u choose

>>59870512
Ryzen in the mITX boards when they come, duh? Put that in a Node 202 or something.

>>59870592
new microcode releases means starting over with some parts of the BIOS. Same shit is going to happen again in May. It should stabilize a few weeks after that.

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>>59870592
AsRock says 9, I'm more inclined to believe the manufacturer desu. Easy mistake for another site to say 6 when most B350's are that

>>59870633
>u choose

Thx m8. Does the 1600 overclocks the same as a 1600x on air cooler (4/4.1ghz)?

>>59870648
That's because it's 6 for CPU + 3 for integrated GPU for Raven ridge, you don't have 9 phases for your CPU.

>>59870674
I'm pretty sure the 3 is for memory.

>>59870663
>Does the 1600 overclocks the same as a 1600x on air cooler
Obviously not. It's likely 3-7% lower. Won't know until silicon lottery or someone releases their results.

>>59870702
>I'm pretty sure the 3 is for memory.
>no VRM on the USB rail
Enjoy being electrocuted.

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How terrible of an idea is this?

>>59870771
>How terrible of an idea is this?
aliexpress/10

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I'm gonna fucking do it /pcbg/, push me please

>>59870874
Those prices seem good.
do it fag

>>59870874
pull the trigger anon.

>>59870874
Get faster ram. Also you can get away with a 550w PSU.

>>59871072
Ignore the faster ram. For some reason the product code isn't matching the usual 3200 sticks but I read below it now.

Take note thst gigabyte mobo don't play nice with Linux.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NKhZD8
u Jelly?

>>59871487
we get it you're a rich cunt or you're just lying

Final build, ignore GPU, i already have it and will upgrade to Vega: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/ckjgHN
Roast me you fuccbois.

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>>59871516
>mfw AMDfags will never ever get more than 16 PCIe lanes, memory scaling beyond 2666MHz, and quad channel memory
stay salty or buy a real eight core

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Is the Samsung 850 pro series 256gb 2.5 in complete garbage? I could buy one right for under $150 and I wonder if I should pull the trigger. Suggestions?

>>59871487
>not buying dual E5-1680 v3 or e5-2699 v4's instead
poorfaggotry at its finest

Is 400 dollars for this a good deal?

I5 4460
Assrock H81M-VG4
8 gb of generic ram
128 gb ssd
1tb harddrive
Asus gtx 960 2gb
some random silentiumpc case

>>59871487
You have to be a retard to spend all that on a 6900k instead of a 1800X or a dual socket system.
Not jealous of your stupidity at all.

>>59871579
You still need to give me your discord, cutie.
But no, that's a fantastic SSD. I'd get a half terabyte instead, though.

>>59871658
>4c/4t
>960
No. I'm going to be selling a better computer for $400 soon and I'm not sure I'll get that.
You'd be way better off spending $200 more for a Ryzen 1500X+RX470

Whats the best i7 if I dont want to overclock it? (6700,6700k,7600 ... the regulars...)
and which cooler box should I get?
(i dont pretend to spend more than $500)

>>59871687
7700 has higher stock turbo clocks than the 6700k. So that's the best non-OC one besides the more expensive 7700k.

H7 should be more than sufficient for cooling stock.

>>59871579
WHO IS THIS!? NOW

>>59869485

just saw OP's case and realise the graphics power connectors would not fit.... lol

http://m.ebay.com/itm/LICENZA-LICENSE-MICROSOFT-WINDOWS-10-Enterprise-LTSB-/232284656433?hash=item36153e9331%3Ag%3A5MoAAOSwax5Y2RJQ&_trkparms=pageci%253A59a3ff67-204d-11e7-a027-74dbd180a77e%257Cparentrq%253A6781ffbf15b0a60ce37f1076ffffc73d%257Ciid%253A1

this legit?

>>59871815
No, not usually.
They revoke the keys and resell them over and over.

Get from Kinguin with purchase protection. It'll cost a bit more, like $20-$25, but worth it when they can't scam so easily.

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whats a good external cd drive? didnt order one with the rest of my build cuz i thought this was the future where everthing could be done with flashdrives, but then the ssd, gpu, and mobo came with CDs n shit.

>>59872008
oh fug I didn't either

>>59872008
>but then the ssd, gpu, and mobo came with CDs n shit.
holy shit. how retarded are you to not realize you can google the model for the device and find drivers to download from their website?
All you need is an OS and internet.

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Hate if you must.

Is sapphire still the best aftermarket brand in terms of radeon cards? I'm leaning towards a 8gb rx480 as a replacement for my old card.

>>59872464
>H100i
>MUH OVERCLOCKS just to lose performance by overloading the memory controller with too many DIMMS
>optical drive
>huge ass retarded case
>not just making a fucking NAS with all that storage

weren't you already told off earlier?

>>59872485
No, XFX GTR is the best RX480. Hits 1450MHz on the stock cooler fine. 1500-1550 on a better cooler.
Sapphire were disappointing this time around, but solid. I hear their RX500s will be better.

>>59871708
So the intel cooler box is not an option even for the non-k versions?

>>59872536
The stock 7700 one is... not very good, no. It'll work but be noisy. Good case airflow will help.

There are some decent $30 options like the Cryorig C7. I've heard a number of people using the 7700 with that and doing peachy.

>>59872464
i dont hate, i just have questions
why 32gb of ram? if you're gaming, you dont need it, if you're video editing or productivity, you should go with r7 1700
why 3 6tb drives? raid? if so why no raid controller? defeats the purpose to me
>optical drive in the year of our lord jesus christ amen 2017

>>59872515
>weren't you already told off earlier?
I've never shared this particular build, so no.

Is locked 7700 worth it?

>>59872618
Usually people oc for either dick wagging or squeezing another year or two out of a chip. If you're content with neither and the extra 100 burgers it costs to oc an Intel chip then yeah I guess

>>59872581
>why 32gb of ram? if you're gaming, you dont need it, if you're video editing or productivity, you should go with r7 1700

I've heard people say the all you need is 16 meme, but in my experience most games and even some every day usage bottlenecks that much ram pretty quick. I actually might downscale the processor instead.

I have a ton of shit stored on my current comp and external drives and I'm tired of having it all over the place I'd rather have all of it stored in one.

Every time I ask about raid setups on here people say "you don't need it." I've considered a raid 1 setup on the HD's for this build if i get it.

I still like to burn discs and watch movies on a comp. Maybe it is genuinely old fashion at this point, but it isn't a huge expense and doesn't really take away from anything so why not?

>>59872864
fair enough on the optical drive i guess
i feel like at that point with hdd it would be better to build a nas, something to consider. Without raid that's a shit ton of storage, i personaly wouldnt feel safe about, but more power to you
i really feel like you'd be fine with 16gb, but to each their own. personally ive never had an issue with my 16gb, even with a virtual machine running in the background, for what thats worth

>>59872618
>Is locked 7700 worth it?
It's some of the best performance/$ you can get after the 1600/1600X.

As soon as you try to chase 5Ghz overclocks, which is only like a 10% performance improvement at best in most cases and sometimes only 1% in some games, you spend tons of money for a tiny performance increase. They're so highly clocked and high power consumption to start with.
On average, the stock 7700 outperforms a 5Ghz overclocked 7600k whether it's an average of games or applications.
You save so much money not needing an expensive motherboard, cooler, power bill, and the CPU itself by just having the 7700.

In short, the 7700 has 90-99% the performance of a $200 more expensive 7700k build.

But I think when Vega comes, it might not look so good of performance for the money anymore.
Ryzen+AMD GPU is just so much better with newer games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBf2lvfKkxA
The extra software overhead of Nvidia drivers is holding Ryzen back a lot.

>>59872008
Don't install the samsung one. Telemetry.

Is an i5 7600 better for gaymen over a R5 1600? I want to fall for the 6 core meme, maybe do gpu passthrough in the future. Wat do?

I know the stock cooler with the 7600 will do for a while before i can de-poorfag to buy anaftermarket, will the 1600s cooler do the job?

What is the best >gaming oriented laptop for around $700? Mostly used for emulation, daily use and some gaming on medium settings

I can get a sweet deal on an XFR GTR RX 480 for like $210 dollars. It's a special 1,338 Mhz overclock edition.

However, the RX 580 releases in a week. Should I get arguably the best 480 on the market or wait for the 580? I feel like the 8-13% performance boost is already negated by the hefty overclock (which I can push even further myself) and if I'm going ot upgrade it'd be to a Vega or whatever else comes out down the line.

So: $210 RX 480 or see how the 580 does?

>>59869604
>he can't unlock fallout 4 fps
>his system-set refresh rate is actually 60fps

>>59873409
AMD fans have to be patient.

>>59869485
Hello /pcbg/. Is mushkin a good choice for an ssd?

https://geizhals.de/mushkin-reactor-lt-512gb-mknssdre512gb-lt-a1387469.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

the hdd of my pc is dying on me and I want to build a new computer this year and I don't see the ssd prices drop anytime soon.

>>59873213
>Is an i5 7600 better for gaymen over a R5 1600?
Fuck no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JypkqwpOtNI

>>59873409
The XFR GTR is really great. I doubt you'll get an RX580 equally as good for that price any time soon. Just overclock it to 1400-1450mhz.

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>>59873409
Wait for 580, better vrm, 8pin pwr, 1340mhz on reference model. I don't think any 480 will be over $200 next week and rx 570 might end up performing the same leaving you with egg on your face.

>those reference coolers

Getting a RX 480/580, should I replace my PSU while I'm at it? It's a corsair CX500, had it for 3 years.

My googlefu is shit today. Can someone direct me to ASRock's list of Ryzen compatible RAM?

when should I consider ryzen 1600/x over the ryzen 1500? Is it worth the extra bucks if I don't play very demandin ggames and want a pc for basic programming and surfing and shit?

>>59873395
its hard to find good gaming laptops for that price

EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650 W a good PSU or can I do better?

>>59873557
a quick googling tells me the RX480 has a around 150W TDP, you should be fine with that 500W PSU

I've been using a Corsair 450W PSU for 7/8 years now, although with an RX460 and i5 6500 now, no problems at all

>>59873213
Ryzen stock cooler > ziptied ghetto cooler > Intel's stock "thermal solution"

>>59873686
If you just cap your frame rate to 60 or 75 or whatever, you'll generally have plenty of power left over on the 1500X to not worry.

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PC RX 580 Golden Sample
2.5 slot, 6 phase power, 8+6pin pwr
no woman will ever look at a 1060 the same way again.

>>59873753
I'm already happy if it's above 40 I guess.

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So I'm planning to get a case, and I thinking about the Phankeks P400. Does anyone have it?

>>59873809
Golden sample are when reviewers are sent their top overclocking sample out of many cards that don't perform the same.

You're thinking of golden binned, where they're all using GPUs that were the best binned from AMD. Like the XFX GTR.

>>59873827
I don't have it. How is it better than like the CM Maker 5?
Phantek seem popular but have never really impressed me. Only thing they really innovated on is that cable hiding bar thing.

>>59873718
Nah it's solid. I think there's a G3 out now too but I haven't bothered to see if it is improved at all.

When's pascal refresh?

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>>59873938
no that is the name of this model, there is a normal 2 slot red devil as well

>>59869790

Get a solid state drive. Also 144hz wont happen for any game except twitch shooters. I have one and even old games dont run that fast outside of shit like bio shock and counter strike.

Dont expect that speed out of anything except shooters. And you can tell the difference but you will not miss the difference. 60-90 is actually great for most games.

I wouldnt bother unless you like shooters. I dont play overwatch but its supposed to be optimized and probably gets that speed considering the fact that blizz wants the competition market.

Why can't there just be something like the Asus VG245H but IPS instead of TN?

I don't need 144hz I just want 1080p @ >= 60hz on a good IPS panel monitor.

>>59874211
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-G257HU-smidpx-25-Inch-Widescreen/dp/B00QS0AKVK

1440p 25" IPS for $260.
Overclock it to 75-85hz.

>>59873938
Well it costs less than half compared to the Maker 5

>>59874245
I keep forgetting ot include Freesync in my criteria. This looks okay but I don't think my RZ 480 can really handle 1440p for anything intensive.

>>59873827
I got the Enthoo Pro. But rest assured, Phanteks are top 3 case makers out there. You really can't go wrong. Their only fault is the windows being scratch magnets. Other than that, they are a joy to build in and have great quality.

>>59869485
What case is that?

>>59874273
>Well it costs less than half compared to the Maker 5
poorfag.
i bet you go for Intel CPUs too

>>59874327
Jonsbo UMX3 I think.

>>59874336
Thanks!

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500W or more

>>59873827
I have this case for my current build.
The only downsides I can think of is the lack if screws if you want to put in new fans (it only comes with one intake and one outward blowing fan) and the fact there's no comfortable way to pick it up. You're either putting stress on the front door or the dust filter on the bottom.
Overall great though. Cable management is a+ and the materials feel sturdy.

>>59874384
Seasonic 550RM
$50 on newegg right now after MiR

>>59874130
>thermal pads for the caps
what

thinking of going with this for my gaming build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/twtR6X

thoughts?

(already have an ssd and i got the strix rx 480 for $180)

>>59874441
Maybe consider bumping up the 1500x to a 1600 for the extra cores/threads. Other than that it looks perfectly fine.

>>59874441
>(already have an ssd and i got the strix rx 480 for $180)
Mark them as bought already, then

>thoughts?
Looks good but get the ASRock AB350M Pro4. $65 with mail in rebate and better.

>>59874441
Consider bumping up the 2400MHz ram kit to a 3000+ MHz ram kit as well.

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>>59874434
that part of the heatsink goes in between the chokes and caps to cool vrms

Aorus 580xtr

>>59874507
>tfw no 1070 Aorus

>>59874434
>thermal pads for the caps
>what
I don't know why this is weird to you.
VRMs temps become the limitation in overclocking super quick.

I was getting my 7970 to like 1250 but hitting over 75C on VRMs.
Put some thermal pads and heatsinks on them, and I could then hit 1325 with them staying under 72C and the GPU under 65C.

>>59874504
why?

>>59874632
Because Ryzen draws added performance from high clocked ram due to the way Infinity Fabric works.

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>>59874632

>>59874745
>>59874684
alright, thanks

Will i lose all my data when i upgrade my motherboard and cpu? I know this is probably a noob question but i need help. I use windows 10 btw.

>>59873693
Yeah i guess.. what would be the price for a good "budget" gaming laptop? Like 900 or more?

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I find it really scary and intimidating to assemble your own pc.

I mean you could potentially break the gpu or cpu which costs like 300 bux.

>>59874818
are you the hulk

Anyone have a good guide to overclocking? Things to read before you start?

>>59874818
I can kind of the understand the CPU fear, but how in the fuck are you going to break a GPU?

>>59874843
Yeah you're right. Just the CPU.

>>59874792
No. Windows won't accept the new mobo though.

>>59874818
It's more often the case that case that the mobo itself will break a cpu than you will. It seems like no quality testing is done on the pin connectors or the pins themselves with a lot of brands.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3xG6d6

Any suggestions on Mobo, Power Supply, and Case? Alternatively other things.

Mostly just looking to play 1080p 60FPS vidya and my current i5 2500, mismatched fucking 6GB RAM, and my ancient mobo with broken sound and god knows what else isn't working well for most things nowadays.

Might upgrade the GPU to something better if anything substantial comes along.

I've been out of the loop for a real long time and never toyed with AMD anything.

>>59874818
The only thing you can break potentially is the CPU, but you'd have to be a downright moron to do that. PC parts are quite sturdy. Again, unless you're a roid rage retard who breaks everything he touches, you'll be fine.

>>59874896
>Mobo
GIGABYTE GA-AB350-Gaming 3
I am actually using the same ram kit paired with the board and easily achieved the full 3000 MHz.

>Power Supply
Just find a decently priced 650 watt Gold rated PSU.

What's the best 120mm single all in one for am4? Want something better than the spire, but don't want a monster sized air cooler.

>>59874818

My biggest fears about building a pc are how to make sure everything is right and how to install windows? I dont have another pc or laptop to torrent windows and have no fucking idea how to install it if i did because i dont even know what to expect on screen after i boot it up for the first time

>>59874792
>>59874873
But it does... my installation just ate through the i5 to R5 upgrade like a champ. The fact that I upgraded a Win7 installation means I got the key attached to my microsoft account instead of hardware so no licensing trouble either.

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>>59869485
When are we getting decent small mATX cases?

The most well thought out case was completely botched by literally retarded designers (pic related).
Placing the graphics card ON TOP, where it'd have to compete against with the top fan if it's set to exhaust. There's even only ONE fan intake at the top, which isn't enough if you want a quiet system.

Litterally all they have to do is flip the case, so that the graphics card is at the bottom, then put enough space for 2 fans at the bottom, and another 2 fans at the top.
may even make it a tiny bit larger to make mATX mobos work.

>>59874818
if its an Intel CPU, there really isnt anything to break. though one thing i was surprised by was how small they are. pretty sure all tech reviewers on youtube are midgets. as long as you place it slowly into the socket, there isnt much that can go wrong.

AMD cpus supposedly have stronger pins.

GPUs are even easier, throw it in the slot and plug in the power. a lot of gpus have metal backplates with plastic frames, fans, and metal heat sinks protecting the pcb.

>>59874965
>torrent windows
Just get the media creation tool, make an installer on your usb, plug it in, and put in your key. You dont need to buy one though. If you dont, it just wont allow you to put in a background. You could also just buy a cheap key on kinguin.com

>>59874981
upgraded Win7 as in you did the free update to 10?

>>59874981
Yeah. That's also what i'm going to do(i5 to r5).

>>59874965
>I dont have another pc or laptop to torrent windows and have no fucking idea how to install it if i did

You go to bios and choose your boot up device or load order, you select disk drive or a thumb drive and restart/continue. Which takes you to the windows installer.

>>59874965
How-To Guide - Create Windows 10 USB Install Drive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLfnuE1unS8

How-To Guide - Windows 10 - Clean Install - USB Thumb Drive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uRT-bWE2EQ

>>59875022
im a different person.

thats what I did. I created a Boot Media, installed windows 10 without an Activation key, it worked well, then after 10 days i went ahead and bought a key from kinguin with the insurance. within minutes I had a key emailed to me and an active windows 10 licence.

>>59874957
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Nt7gHN

So something like this?

>>59875022
>>59875056
>>59875085

Thanks man you guys fucking rock. /pcbg/ is always so comfy for me possibly the comfiest general in 4chan

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This has to be a joke

>>59875195
Looks good to me.

Hey anons. I posted this on /v/ but they were being assholes. I'm planning on building my first gaming PC mainly for emulation and run Bayonetta 1, Dead Rising 1, Resident Evil 5 on.

This was the list someone made me on PCpartpicker

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NkT39W

My current budget (preferred budget) is 700 USD. I can stretch this if needed. I was also hoping to get a DVD drive for ripping DVDs.

Ideas plz no bully.

>>59875283
*unsheathes 1070 Katana*

>>59875295
ive only been paying attention to the pc market since last summer. If money is Tight wait to for June or July. Seems around 4th of July and Black Friday are when things go on sale.

>>59872088
>>59872088
>>59872088
new thread move over

>>59874958
Trust me, you don't want a 12mm all in one, been there done that, went back to air cooling. Thermals will be marginally better than whatever air cooler you can get at the same price, noise will be worse (fan + pump against just a fan) and a couple of years down the road the pump will sound like a motorbike and the whole stuff won't be as efficient anymore.

>>59875025
Yup

>>59875295
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T7vCkT

This build is better price/performance overall. If you are on a bungest like that its usually wasteful to purchase and SSD.

>>59875432
Budget*

>>59874745
2800-2933 seems to be the sweet spot for most games.

But some do benefit from 3200, and if it's not much more, it's worth going for.

>>59875211
>/g/pcbg/ is comfiest general on 4chan
Yep. I was on /b/ until the fappening happened. Looked for other boards to make my home. /v/ is just a bunch of 12 year olds looking for a minecrsft guide. /pol/ is essentially /b/ but no porn. I found this place and havent gone back ever since

Would I be able to put an Asus Strix 480 8gb (134x40x298 mm) into a 175x375x405mm tower? I mean, it should, but there's other stuff there so I have no fucking clue and don't want to risk it
Please don't meme about the gpu

>>59875410
Kill yourself. Nobody likes your thread. This one hasnt even hit 250 yet.

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>>59874958
>pissant 120mm limit
get a c1, fag. It's still a reasonable size and weight.

>>59875014
I've been wondering the same.
Or compact ATX for that matter. They're always 250% the volume they need to be to fit an ATX board and 320mm GPU.

Then, on the other hand, they go full-autism making mITX cases even smaller than they need to be.

>>59874818
>overgoo the CPU with paste
>slap the heatsink on it
>"oh fuck"
>some of it floods in the intel pins
>intel
>pins
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>59875283
Whao. I haven't seen plastic like that in 20 years!

>>59875283
>caution
>hot surface
single slot stove

>>59875664
>>59875283
Looks like those toxic chink toys

>>59875295
Save money by going mATX (cheaper mobo/case) and get a 1500X.
And get the Seasonic 550RM from newegg. It's $50 after mail in rebate right now.
And get at least 2800MHz RAM.
And a better quality SSD like Crucial MX300 or SanDisk.
Build is reasonably alright, though.

>>59875410
Spamming is against the rules.

wait, do E-ATX mobos fit into ATX cases in most cases?

>>59871086
>Take note thst gigabyte mobo don't play nice with Linux.
Wait what. how generalized is that?

>>59875726
Yep. They usually do. You just cover the ever so popular grommets.

Completed a new build. Everything ok except the wireless pcie card doesn't seem to be engaging.

I've tried it in different pcie slots, the green light is on, and the Bluetooth part of the card seems to work just fine. Most reviews said just plug in and play, and I've installed the drivers from cd to make sure.

Any ideas??

>>59875814
Probably not the problem, but pcie power?

Is a zotac 1060 6gb mini for $220 a good deal?

>>59875899
It's not bad but the Zotac 1070's are about $100/120 more.

>>59875014
>>59875642
Raijintek Thetis
Check that

>>59875930
Yeah, I've looked at it before.

Too wide. Doesn't fit long enough GPU.
Jonsbo makes some of the best, but they're still not perfect. Not enough airflow. But very efficient layouts.

my shitty sata 2 mobo died. I just ordered this for $40 for my 1090T. is it alright?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130922

is 54C a good temp for an i7-7700k? my buddy says his it at 30C how the fuck do you do that? position your build right next to an aircon?

>>59876292

>is 54C a good temp for an i7-7700k?

Doinf what exactly? If thats idle that is way too high, if its under medium loads its okayish if under torture loads that is fantastic.

>my buddy says his it at 30C

Your buddy is full of shit unless he has active cooling (i.e can go sub ambient) or ambient temps are near freezing. Now i've never heard of a polar bear with an Intel cpu (they use vishera to keep warm).

>>59869485

I need to build two machines for watching ip cameras. That is all they will do all day. One will need to drive a 4k screen and the other 1080p. Ive noticed watching these cameras eats some cpu so Ill be looking for i5 level.

Was looking at smaller computer like the nuc but they seem to be either desktop price or not able to give me the graphic horsepower.

Think I am going to have to just build 2 i5 systems small enough to strap to the wall behind the screens.

Any ideas? I could look for refurbished deals I guess. Unless the performance/price makes sens Ill end up building though.

>>59876449

Now that I think about it I am going to run the cameras foe awhile on a desktop and watch the threads to see how well the software multicores. Pretty important info.

>>59869728
dont get the 3gb model the memory isnt the only thing nvidia gimped.
its shit.

>>59875899
>Is a zotac 1060 6gb mini for $220 a good deal?
It's good for a 1060, but you can still find RX480 8GBs for $180-$200.

>>59876144
Fuck dude. You could have gotten an AM4 motherboard for $65. Should have just tried to sell your 1090T and RAM.


>>59876292
For idle? 54C? Fuck no.
You lost the delidlake lottery. Next time don't trust shitty Intelaviv TIM and IHS.

>>59876430
yea its idle temp. the water cooler fans spin at 1000rpm, I assume its because of that? The case fans are spinning faster at 1400rpm. maybe i connected the cables wrong.

>>59876485
I don't know where you live, but in burgerland rx 480 8gb is like $250 min

>>59874818
If you have big non asian hands get a mid ATX or a full ATX tower, having so much room is worth the comfort and ease of mind.
This also assumes you're ripped as fuck and won't mind carrying several kilograms of metal.

>>59876489

Or the pump is running really fucking slowly. Generally speaking regardless of what the fans are doing your pump should be at 100%.

>>59876514
>I don't know where you live, but in burgerland rx 480 8gb is like $250 min
Don't lie, fucktard. This thread alone is full of them that got them for $180-$210. And if you searched right now, you'll find ones at those prices.

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>>59876292
>>59876489
Did you forget the thermal paste? Unless the water cooler came with paste pre-applied.

>>59876577
how do I control the pump? same as the fans? should I set the fan speeds to max on all options in the bios?

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>>59876579
Maybe he's going off prices during release day. The 8GB ones were around 250 to 300 that day. 4GB was the only one hovering around 199-220.

>>59876621
>Maybe he's going off prices during release day.
Which would make that anon a fucktard.

>rx 470 4gb
>200 usd
>rx 480 4gb
>220 usd


fucking philippines worst prices.

[spoiler] I'm getting the 480 though, what am i in for?

Can we talk Windows OSes for a bit?

I've never made the leap to Windows 10. We're all making new builds and it seems like 10 is the only way to take advantage of things like DX12, newer Office suites, etc.

So should I just dive in to 10 or try to go backwards with 7 Sp1 (soon to be defunct and doesn't support newer tech) or 8.1 (only a little while onger before it's in the same stage at 7).

I've also heard of Windows 10 LTSB which you can modify so that it's not shit and you wont get blasted with those updates every day.

tl;dr What OS do I put on my new build?

>>59876750
How much for the 8GB 480?

>>59876750
Isn't 1060 cheaper in your country? Get it instead.

Is this link (https://pastebin.com/smjvLZN4) pretty much the definitive way to activate win10pro or are there better ways to go about it? Can I find a cheap key somewhere online? If so, where?

>>59876599

Without knowing more about your setup I can't say. I would guess you have an AIO and i'm not terribly familiar with the number of connectors most AIO units come with. If there is a dedicated connector for the pump slap that onto a fan header (assuming the pump doesn't pull too many amps - which is unlikely but never hurts to check) and set that header to 100% in your BIOS.

My own motherboard (an expensive one I should point out) had a dedicated header for you to plug a water pump into (a proper pump as part of a custom loop) - that header is good for 3A rather than the 1A of the typical fan headers.

Note to self: plug my 3A delta fan into it.

>>59876773
Around 250-275 USD

>>59876777
No, the 3gb is just as expensive than 4gb 470 and 480 except the cheapest ones about 20 usd cheaper.

>>59876781

Kinguin.

>>59876754

Don't use LTSB - its not really suited for desktop deployments.

>>59876812
is kingquin legit?

>>59876812
So should I join the 7 crowd and wait for my death on a new machine that wont even be able to use it to its fullest, or let Microsoft put a few fingers up my ass to see what I'm "hiding"?

>>59876825
no it's not "legit" you're not buying it from the manufacturer so obviously something fucky is going on.

it's still cheaper though so if you can't afford to buy it retail maybe you can afford them mining bitcoin on your rig from time to time

>>59876754
> take advantage of things like DX12, newer Office suites, etc.
Last good office suite was 2013.
DX12? Only if you play multiplat console AAA ports. No point otherwise.
Use whatever you're comfortable with.
When I first put mine together I went with 7 and then threw in linux mint and windows 10 when it came out. So that's 3 operating systems.
I then went the ricing route and put functions like virtual workspaces on windows 7, completely gave up on 10 because unlike an easy linux install with DE out of the box, on 10 you have to do so many more tweaks to get comfortable.
I reformatted my 10 partition, I didn't need it anymore.
Stick with 8.1 or 7.

>>59876750
That's the normal price though.. Get the 480.

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how long does it take to boot win 10 for the first time? comp been like this for a while

>>59876781
>the definitive way to activate win10pro
Microsoft Toolkit from mydigitallife, forget about paying for keys.

>>59869604
72 frames doesn't break fallout 4 anymore.
>Implying anyone can run literally any poorly optimized Bethesda game at a constant 60 frames with any kind of PC build.

>>59876897
It was removed as malware when I originally extract it, but I'll try again. Please don't be rustling me anon

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>>59876832
>So should I join the 7 crowd and wait for my death on a new machine
Find Windows 10 LTSB or Enterprise if you really want 10, but remember that any feature updates are actually full OS reinstalls, not mere updates/upgrades, so be prepared for shit to break worse than an Arch install.
If you're used to how start menu is arranged on 7, get classic shell to get around the fuckery that is windows 10 start menu indexing.

>>59876890

Power down, discharge any remaining charge in the system, reseat your ram and gpu and try again.

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>>59876925
Go to mydigitallife and get it from there.

>>59877009
And all I have to do is go to the activation tab and click activate?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TrXZD8

How is this? Had my eyes set on a 1500X before but decided to upgrade to a 1600. Is it worth it? Will mostly just be playing games at 60fps around and I was wondering if I really need 6 cores for that or if a 1500X/1400 is better suited for my build. Would also like some advice on the case.

>>59877032
EZ Activate.

>>59877073
I just clicked activate and it worked, but thank you!

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>>59877084
If 10Pro still has group policy editor, get your ass in there and start turning the nagware off, especially the shit that eats your CPU cycles on a weekly basis.

>>59876781
> pro
Do a free official upgrade from 7 pro/ultimate. You do know how to activate 7, right?

>>59877128
Where can I find that on my computer? all I get is the 'local group policy editor' and I don't know what to do with that

>>59876825
>>59876845
Kinguin keys are people that take the windows key sticker off OEM PCs that are decommissioned.

You want to get the buyer protection on kinguin or else they can just revoke the key right back and you can't get your money back if they do.
It's much safer than Ebay.

>>59877180
If you don't know then just forget it. It won't bother you until the day it actually does when you stumble across it.

>>59877236
Alright then, thank you!

>>59876449
>>59876467
Just get an R5 or an R7, they make half decent Xeons. You want 2 pcs?

how do you stupid NEETs afford all this expensive crap

>>59877224
Sounds like shit. Just do this
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/accessibility/windows10upgrade

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>>59877400
>NEETs
This isn't 2008 anymore. There are lots of part timers.

>>59875642
>Then, on the other hand, they go full-autism making mITX cases even smaller than they need to be.
The only point with an mITX case is to have it incredibly small, so that you can put it in a backpack and take it with you.
What I don't understand is all those minitower sized mITX cases, and the cube format.

>>59875930
It's even more retarded than the Metis.

GPU at the top, has to suck in air from the top, and the air is going to rise to the top, and so the shittiest airflow of the century begins (and no, the fans can't push the air down, because the graphics card blocks it).

The OP case too is completely retarded.

It stacks the HDDs at the bottom... So this case has NO intake, instead it has 2 exhaust fans... Or again, pull air from the top, which will be exhausted in the back, and then bounce back to be sucked in by the top fan.

>>59876449
>>59876467
Swap out anything to your own liking, this build is probably just a base for you or some other anon to build on. I just built a pc that I think could handle it pretty well. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N96jCy

Did DDR4 ram stop being hugely overpriced yet?

>>59877527
Nope. Most likely it will keep rising until 2H or Q3.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MnNTRG

Just gotta decide on a case. Any suggestions?

I'm trying to do a cheap build to learn linux and programming.

Would it be more cost effective to just buy a refurbished prebuilt?

>>59874965
you can also use a program like ProduKey to get your current windows key and use that one.

>>59877033
Get a freesync monitor.

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>>59877542
Man what the fuck
>tfw you decided to upgrade too late

>>59877527
Like HDD prices, they're going to increase or hover around what they're at right now because of market collusion between all the companies that make them. Cooperation is better for their profit instead of competing against each other to lower prices.

>>59877545
Rosewill SRM-01 or Zalman T5 are nice <$30 ones.

>>59877527
It might drop late spring.

Looking to upgrade in the next 1-2 months from a 8350+390X.

Planning on getting a 1600 and just moving the 390X across as the 8350 is pretty much the bottleneck at the moment. Considering I'm from the UK what sort of price do you reckon I could pull this off with, looking at approx £800-£1000 in total.

Current components I feel like I can use without gimping my current build too much (giving it to family) are the,

390X (Have a 560ti/8800gtx somewhere that will do facebook ect fine)

250GB Samsung 840 (Have another 120GB SSD that I will use as the boot drive on current pc) would like to consider a fairly small M.2 SSD to boot from and have games on the 840. It's 3 years old now so I don't want it to crap out along with the OS.

Any advice and thoughts would be helpful.

To everyone saying RAM prices are going up, what did they used to be before this rise?

Looking at things like 2x8GB @ 2800-3200Mhz is roughly $100-130 in the USA right now.

>a G4560 can match an r5 1400
wtf ryzen was supposed to kill Intel https://youtu.be/TcdmeGOsnss

>>59877609
>$100-130
HA. Try to hit some euro shops for a laugh.

>>59877657
It does.
1600x is the best buy you can make atm.

r5 1400 is a bit more futureproof than G4560, with more cores and threads, and so able to do much more multitasking, but it's still a pretty awkward buy. Just add some more money for a 1600x.

I don't think AMD will make a super budget CPU like G4560.

>>59877688
Oh, so it's the 3rd world that's getting owned.

Carry on, then.

>>59877609
Yeah it was $90-100 like in January

I think its time we make a new thread. We are on page 5

>>59877720
You have lower prices because you're practically 2nd world.
In EU we have a stronger currency, better economy (2-3x the minimum wage), and more taxes.

>>59877609
DDR3 used to be like, €80 for 16gb... I sold my old DDR3 used for more than I bought them for originally.

DDR4 is probably around 70% more expensive than it's low by now.

>>59877975
>>59877975
>>59877975
>>59877975

>>59869540
I see alot of people with the extreme cards they look pretty good. But i have personally have never had a Zotac card.

>>59877595
lmao, yeah, the 390X will still play most games at 1440p. It's just the CPU.
No reason to upgrade unless Vega super impresses.

Considering I'm upgrading from a 2500k to a 1600X for under $500 (reusing PSU, case, hdds/ssds, gpu), you should be fine. The UK prices for Ryzen are really good.

>>59877609
>To everyone saying RAM prices are going up, what did they used to be before this rise?
They've gone up about 30-40% since March of last year.

>>59877657
You're seeing something incredibly different there than I see.
The G4560 drops below 60fps all the time in many of those games, and the 1400 almost never does except on FO4.
Also, look at the fucking CPU utilization. The 1400 has power to spare while delivering higher FPS.

The 1500X or 1600 is a better buy, but the 1400 is way better than the 7400 and g4560.

>>59869551
Or you could get a used 1070/1080 for cheap i was able to get a new 1070 for 320 dollars.

>>59869888
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YpfGD8
Yes just not the Asus get the Sapphire fury's.

>>59878022
Where should i look? Im too afriad to get a bricked card or something.

>>59878071
I got mine off ebay. I also had an offer accepted for 400 dollars on a used Gigabyte 1080 but i had already bought the 1070 by that time.

How much GPU/CPU usage is normal?

>>59878387
80-95% at all times.

is ryzen 5 a gayman cpu or is i5 better for budget build

also what is best for its value

>>59878791
An R5 is cheaper and gives equal performance. Get a 1600 for multithreading if you can.

>>59869485
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VCmvcc

So are there any way to make my build any cheaper than this?
I like the case and I am planning to upgrade to Ryzen at a time where all the issues has been solved.

>>59878554
I see. Thank you