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should i buy an ultrawide 1080p 144hz monitor or 16:9 1440p 100hz monitor to use for my racing sim rig?

I need a new high end graphics card. My heart was set on a 1080 TI, but EVGA is next month I believe and Strix is just so fucking fat. I mean REALLY fat. Add the fact that they sell out in seconds and take weeks to restock. I'll wait if that is the best choice, but I am just seeing my options.

That said, I have been considering just going for a 1080 (maybe SLI down the line?) or a 980 TI SLI (heard great things). I want something that can max out most games at 1440p 60 FPS, and do great in 4K, which is why I was looking fot a TI. Also is SLI still a meme or is now a good place to start?

>>59865142
screen?

>>59865142

1. What do you mean EVGA is next month?
2. 1080 can run 1440p and 4k at 60fps
3. More and more games are starting to be optimized for SLI, look at Witcher 3 for instance, but it's expensive and a single awesome card can do better than two pretty good cards.

I've got a gtx1080 and it does very well.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z4vvcc

This is it, the home stretch.

Been researching peripherals now. Not sure what to do on the monitor and I want a good blu-ray drive.

Opinions on the Asus VG245H?

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How is he playing without the cards plugged in?

How better is a 7200 rpm HHD as opposed to a 5400 rpm HHD

>>59865081
1440p.
Ultrawide sucks. Especially 1080p ones.

>>59865142
Wasn't the SLI microstutter problem never fixed?

>>59865191
I'd get a 1TB 850 EVO instead. It's not much more than the 500GB 960 and you won't see the difference in speed most of hte time.

The VG245H is just okay. It's only 1080p. It's TN. 75hz. You can get similar monitors for cheaper and much better ones for significantly more.

>>59865232
>How better is a 7200 rpm HHD as opposed to a 5400 rpm HHD
1800 better

>>59865225
>how is he playing minecraft without 1080ti's
idk no normal computer can run minecraft

>>59865175
Currently got a 1080p, but I am upgrading to one that can do 1440p soon, and eventually, I'll get a 4K one. Eventually. I just want the card to get it out of the way before upgrading the monitor. Annoys me how current gen vidya struggles to keep 30 FPS on medium settings.

>>59865177
EVGA FTW 1080 TI card. And what's your honest thoughts on the 1080? I really am considering going for it over TI. Any downsides, games you had troubles with, etc.

>>59865191
looks good.

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What did he mean by this?

>>59865282

Issues with the 1080? None, it can run everything I throw at it. In Fallout 4 at ultra in 1080p, it still cranks out 150fps in the most stressful areas.

If I had money to upgrade to 4k, I'd go 1080 in SLI or Ti though, based on my current experience.

want to upgrade from 2600k

1. r5 1600 $219
2. gigabyte b350 gaming 3 $109
3. Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB 3200mhz $69

$397 upgrade

>TFW buying parts over time
>Bought I5 months ago
>Ryzen 5 comes out and I want that instead

Woe is me

>>59865237

I've never heard anyone say ultrawide sucks?

1080 TI for 1440p gaymen for 3~5 years yes or no?

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>>59865303

>>59865364
buy midrange gpus, tech is too fast now

>>59865329
Those are fine, but you can already find 1600s on sale. Like from Jet.

>>59865344
>Bought I5 months ago
But why?
The writing was on the wall for years that games were starting to utilize hyperthreading well and that it was actually worth it.

>>59865394
So the 7600k gets higher max frames which pull up its average, but its minimum sucks? And good minimums are what you need at higher resolutions.
I'm sure this will shift more in Ryzen's favor without Nvidia drivers holding it back, too.

>>59865364
I don't see why it won't last longer desu

How does this look for a development PC? I have old GPU I can use

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($218.67 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($88.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($58.98 @ PCM)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.88 @ OutletPC)
Case: Fractal Design Define Mini C MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($36.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $525.90

>>59865322
Seems like you an I have the same thinking anon. I'm gonna go for it. Already researched hours into it, but iffy on the brand. Like the TI, I am thinking Asus Strix or EVGA FTW (thermal pads issue fixed? or was it a different model?). Thoughts on which?

Hey /g/, I'll upgrade my pc pretty soon. I have currently:
>an old Phenom X4 955
>8gb DDR3
>Geforce GTX750TI, 2gb DDR5
>a couple of ssd's bought last year to boost a little my rig

I don't do much gaming (mainly RTS, retro games, some GTA online, far cry, etc). I do some photo editing and graphic design (Photoshop and Illustrator). I'd like to start learning AfterEffects, but that's the software that made my pc feel it's age. So, I'm looking at

>R7 1700
>X370 mobo

or

>R5 1600
>B350 mobo

I'll buy 16gb DDR4 RAM, and keep the GPU and SSD's for a while. What would /g/ do? Is AfterEffects threaded enough to make it worthwhile going for the R7? Or would I be fine getting the R5?

Ryzen 1400 can be gotten from Jet for $141 as well.
I'm not sure they're even worth it at that, but I mean if you have some ultra tight budget I guess it's the best way to go.
The 1500X and 1600 are significantly better.

>>59865443
>I don't see why it won't last longer desu
Because of more games going DX12 and Vulkan only.
Its 4K performance is already meh in some titles, dropping under 60fps. 1440p will be similar perf requirements in 3-5 years as 4K is today, probably.
But it'll almost certainly perform well over 30fps, if that's good enough.

>>59865483
Get dual channel. It makes a 5-25% difference. Looks fine otherwise. I guess you don't need faster RAM if it's just dev, but I'd still get dual channel.

>>59865502
>R7 1700
>X370 mobo
>R5 1600
>B350 mobo
How are these comparable? One is significantly more expensive than the other.

Daily reminder that thanks to Ryzen 5, Intel i3, i5, and Ryzen 7 have absolutely no reason for regular consumers to buy them.
>i7>= R5 > R3> Pentium

>>59865531
Let me rephrase that. It sounds confusing. Thanks to Ryzen 5, there is now no reason for regular gaymurs/consumers to buy an i3, i5, or R7.

>>59865513
> Get dual channel
Noted. I probably do need more memory. I can buy more when I feel that what I have doesn't meed day to day needs.

>>59865066
Isn't that a itx motherboard?
The fuck are those fans cooling?

>>59865437
At higher resolutions, the bottleneck is lifted from the CPU and onto the GPU. This is why you see a variance of 10.1% in 1080p, but only a variance of 3.9% at 1440p and 1.5% at 4k.
The 8.6% difference in variance should be an obvious flag. The CPU is not the bottleneck in 4k gaming tests and it's also why all of AMD's game presentations were in 4k.

btw i am not a shill, i have a PC with an FX series chip and another with an i5. On my main rig, I have an RX 480.

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>>59865582
>At higher resolutions, the bottleneck is lifted from the CPU and onto the GPU.
Ok.
Explain this, and why the i5-7400 can't drive 50fps when the GPU is clearly capable of it.

I already know the answer, but go on.
Fact is that CPU still matters even when the GPU is working 99%+

>>59865502
>an old Phenom X4 955
>8gb DDR3
>Geforce GTX750TI, 2gb DDR5

Holy shit are you me? I'm going R5 1600/GTX 1070 next week. It's going to be dank as fuck.

>>59865554
>Thanks to Ryzen 5, there is now no reason for regular gaymurs/consumers to buy an i3, i5, or R7.

wait wut
The 7600k has more overclocking headroom than the1600x, better average performance, and is $10 cheaper.
Not to mention a wider selection of motherboards at cheaper prices.

>>59865612
Maybe you should keep your old GPU for now and wait and see if Nvidia gets their driver issues sorted.

So are the issues between GTX cards and the Ryzen going to be fixed any time soon? Or should I hold off on buying a ryzen because I have a GTX card?

>>59865603
>picks one game out of a litter of hundreds
this proves what?

>Fact is that CPU still matters even when the GPU is working 99%+
no shit?
The point is that obviously the CPU is not the bottleneck in these instances.

begone AMD shill

Bit confused. ASUS PRIME B350-A board says

> Integrated AMD Radeon™ R Series Graphics in the 7th Generation A-Series APU

Does this mean I don't need a gpu as the board itself contains an igpu?

>>59865616
>more overclocking headroom
Not trying to sound like a faggot corelet, but more cores makes a bit of a difference in performance. But you're right. Ryzen in general can even overclock past XFR.
>motherboards at cheaper prices
If youre looking at the X370 mobos, B350 mobos are much cheaper and can still overlock

>>59865642
>Does this mean I don't need a gpu as the board itself contains an igpu?
No. It's basically the same as with Intel, it says the mobo is prepared for a CPU with an integrated GPU, in this case AMD APU.
AMD APUs aka Raven Ridge will come later this year.

>>59865642
Maybe Ryzen+: Wait™ Edition will have an iGPU

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>>59865616
>The 7600k has more overclocking headroom than the1600x, better average performance, and is $10 cheaper.
No, it's not cheaper when you spend $150 on a motherboard and $150 on a cooler.

And no matter how much you overclock it, it still only has 4 threads.

>>59865638
>The point is that obviously the CPU is not the bottleneck in these instances.
You just have no idea what you're saying, do you?
The CPU can drive 56fps fine. Hence it's driving that with an AMD GPU in an apparently GPU bottlenecked scenario.
Yet it only gets 44fps when the 1080 is GPU bottlenecking at 4k.

CPU clearly still matters when GPU bottlenecked. This has been proven time and time again. You're just a fool.

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GeForce 1060 price dropping

>>59865657
Thanks
>>59865661
Buying at such a volatile time is really stressful

>>59865483
what are you going to use for development? you should try to squeeze a ssd in there too, it really helps if you use heavy IDEs

>>59865412
>>59865513
well, it's not like I have the money for any video card

might as well wait and see what the close future brings

>>59865617
I already promised my friend he could have my rig. I don't think i'll have a problem with 1600/1070 at 1440p.

>>59865616
>Z270 at $145
>B350 at $70

you fucked my m8

>>59865689
Eclipse for work stuff and Visual Studio (doing web stuff) for personal projects. Usually have a linux virtual machine running web server among other things (why I probably need more RAM).

I'll consider an SSD but kind of tight budget. Maybe as an upgrade in a few months.

>>59865513
I can do a cheaper upgrade to R5, or a more expensive, future-proof upgrade with R7 that would last me longer (mind you, I'm coming from a Phenom II X4 955). I was asking if I'd see more noticeable benefits on After Effects with a R7, maybe after effects is lightly threaded so I'd see no benefit and I'd be better served with a R5 cpu.

>>59865612
Lol, it's going to be great, bro. The Phenom has served well, tho.

>>59865645
>more cores makes a bit of a difference in performance.
in compiling and zipping files yes, but in games mostly no

>If youre looking at the X370 mobos, B350 mobos are much cheaper and can still overlock
there's an infinitely larger selection for LGA1151 right now because Ryzen 5 just launched
the B350 mobos that I see run between $70-$110, while the B150/B250 LGA1151 mobos run between about $50-$100

Right now, it is actually a bit cheaper to build a mid-range Intel build by about $40ish

>>59865752
For "future proofing" I think you're better off getting an R5 now, and another R5 or the R7 once 7nm and higher clocks come.

>After Effects with a R7
After Effects is threaded well, IIRC. It's pretty much just Lightroom and Photoshop that aren't.
But the 1600X multithreaded performance is like 90% that of the 1700 stock since it's clocked so much higher.

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>>59865765
>7600k on a B150/B250

>>59865303
Isn't he the idiot who thinks ram speed doesn't matter?

>>59865765
>in compiling and zipping files yes, but in games mostly no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JypkqwpOtNI

Sure, if you're one those people that turns on their computer, loads up a game, then turns it off when they're done playing.
If you do any sort of multitasking, have stuff running in the background, then no.

And this is the 3.2/3.45Ghz 1600 compared to the 6600k, not the 1600X. I think you simply have to be retarded to get an i5.

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>>59865788
>isn't he the idiot
yes

What would be the best motherboard and ram combo to pair with an r1600?

>>59865669
We get it, you bought a Ryzen 5 processor and that's great. You convinced yourself it was a great decision, and honestly you can't go wrong with either Ryzen 5 or Intel i5 right now. Welcome to team Red. I got an FX processor when it came out. I still mostly buy AMD GPUs. It feels good that AMD is relevant again.

But stop cherry picking shit. Your arguments are amounting to nothing.
The facts are, and this is accepted by basically everyone but you, that on average at higher resolutions, the GPU is going to be a bottleneck before the CPU. This has always been true and will always be true.

>>59865780
>1600x on a B350

reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/64zw20/am4_motherboards_list_041217/

leddit has a list of motherboards with VRMs that looks accurate.
But 4+2 VRMs aren't necessarily bad since the quality of them still matters. It doesn't list digital vs analog.

>>59865237
>The VG245H is just okay. It's only 1080p. It's TN. 75hz.

1080p is my goal. 75hz is still an upgrade from the previous 1080@hz but yeah I've been looking at IPS monitors and they look more and more appealing.

What's a good 24" IPS 1080p monitor that wont break the bank?

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>>59865841
How is pointing out that one CPU maxes out 100% on all 4 threads and the other has room to spare "cherry picking"?

It's just a fact.

Even if games don't fully utilize 6 or 8 cores with SMT, it's still power to spare for other shit running on my PC.

>>59865919
>1080@hz
mean to say 1080p @ 60hz

>>59865928
Just get the VG248QE and be done with it.

>>59865777
Thanks bro!

>>59865919
Why do you want less vertical pixels?
Acer B246WL is $270 for 1920x1200. But it's 60hz.

ASRock Pro4 for $65 after MIR if you review it and screenshot your review to them!
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157762

Found from /r/buildapcsales

>>59865972
I don't "want less vertical pixels" I just haven't ever really considered 16:10 as an option.

I'll look into both your and >>59865935 suggestions so thank you.

>>59865972
That seems like a horrible value.

>>59866037
I suppose this is an interesting sales tactics but it looks like they're doing it on all the X370 and B350 boards if anyone has bought one recently.

http://event.asrock.com/usretailer/newegg-AM4-Apr/

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H6kR6X

I'm going to be doing some streaming/video editing/ virtual machine usage.

This should be plenty, right? 1080p, otherwise I would get a 1070.

>>59865066
>>59865225
>>59865265
Isnt Minecraft run on Java? Java only really uses CPU. So the 1080s wouldnt even be touched. They're doing just as much good unplugged.

>>59866075
You could save almost $100 if you went with an RX480 4GB that you could find on sale and actually get better performance in some shit.

>>59866075
You could save a couple bucks with a 550w psu
Get a 470/480 instead of the 1060

So CPU+GPu combo is the 1K build gaymen PC build now?

>>59866123
What?

>>59866085
LWJGL and OpenGL, anon.

>>59866123
1600X or locked 7700 + RX480
The RX480 will be the bottleneck, but you can put in a nice 500GB or 1TB SSD in that budget and upgrade the GPU later.

>>59866161

a 1k build cant fit a 1070 in?

I just bought a GTX 1080 FE from best buy. Anyone have any experience with upgrading with them? I want to return in for a TI once they are in stock.

JUST TELL ME WHAT FUCKING 1080 MODEL TO BUY

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vjfR6X

Building a PC that I wont have to touch for 4+ years
1920x1080 resolution with 2x 144Hz monitors
All other peripherals are purchased

Looking to break 300+ fps stable in TF2

>>59865907
>That list
Were motherboard manufactures just completely unprepared for the R7 and R5 releases?

>>59866169
It'd be pretty lopsided toward the 1070 if you tried to fit it in and wanted to get quality secondary components and a good CPU.

>>59866174
That seems pretty retarded mate. I don't know how that would work.

>>59866194
Just avoid EVGA, holy shit, was that hard?

>>59866194
Founders looks the best.

>>59866198
Why such a high wattage on the PSU? Are you planning for SLI or something?

JUST TELL ME WHAT FUCKING RX 480 MODEL TO BUY

$720 PC's are the future thanks to AMD.

>>59866169
It could. Wouldn't bother when an RX480 plays everything at 60fps+. Worst case is you have to drop a setting or two down but it looks inperceptively the same.

>>59866198
Why do you need 300fps?
Wouldn't 240 minimum be the most you need?

>>59866199
>Were motherboard manufactures just completely unprepared for the R7 and R5 releases?
I think they were unprepared for it actually being good.

>>59866246
XFR GTR if money doesn't matter and you just want the best one.
The cheapest one otherwise unless there's another within 5% of the price that has a significantly higher boost clock.

>>59866235
I am not - I remember someone telling me to go over what you need for the psu...?

>>59866198

>>59866235
yea whats up with the 850w? Even if you are going to crossfire a 750w is fine.

>>59866221
>Just avoid EVGA
Except they do have the updated version, they're overpriced compared to others though.

>>59866229
>Founders looks the best.
Eh, I want something with better cooling and I'm not doing a mini case.

>>59866246
I have two 480's for sale online. Go buy one.

>>59866262
When you buy one of those cards that's marketed as "overclocked" do you have to manually crank it up to that speed yourself or has the manufacturer already set the clock that high and you just pay for the added performance?

And I'm assuming if the card is OC or not you can still manually overclock it yourself?

>>59866272
if you aren't doing a mini case what is the problem? Turn up the fan curve and it should stay around or under 70c.

>>59866291
They boost to those clocks simple to turbo on a CPU.

Yes, you can manually OC them still.

Why did board manufacturers move from green PCB?

>>59866299
I thought blower cards were more suited for smaller cases because of the way they pull and eject heat. I have a solid 5~ inches of space from my PCIE slot to the PSU shroud, which is why I prefer AIB cards.

>>59866263
You don't have to go 500W over. Just a certain percentage. A 550W or 650W should work fine for you. EVGA and SeaSonic are good brands.

>>59866291
>>59866291
I think it is best to do it yourself. An overclocked card isn't going to work the same in every pc. Too many variables.

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>>59866322
Thanks, I have replaced with the same model 650W

>>59866337
>>59866301

I'm still confused. Here's an example product
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01J3TZJOA/

They have an 8GB version and the 8GB OC version so I'm curious which one is "better" who a dummy who is still willing to overclock?

My i5 2500k is still fast and hasn't had any problems.
If I build a Ryzen 5 1500X will I really notice a difference in everyday computing? Basically just browsing 4chan and watching youtube.
I do game occasionally and with my r9 290 I can get 60fps on most games at 1440p on med-high settings.
Should I build a new computer?

>>59866340
I would change the ram as well. Go to 3000 instead of 2400.

like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7FwHKZ

>>59866356
That is a shitty OC they have anyway. You can easily get to 1350 on a reference card.

So is 1600X the best bang for the buck right now?

>>59865788

it hardly matters. 16gb of 2133 is toe to toe with 16gb of 3000.

>>59866356
The higher clocked versions are usually just tested to run more stable on a higher clock. If you're lucky, you can push a normal card over it. If you're unlucky, you'll get a little bit over base clock.

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>>59866389
Thats what I had on the list initially, have that exact RAM in my Amazon cart - not sure why I ended up changing my mind - thanks.

>>59866255
Shit you can make a $600 PC with an RX470 and a R5

>>59866356
>"better" who a dummy who is still willing to overclock
The GPU dies are binned differently. Just like CPU dies.
Manufacturers order better bins for their OC cards.

It appears that XFR got the best dies used in their GTR cards, but some say others are similar. You can get at least 5% better results than average on those golden GPUs.

>>59866389
>>59866431
The X370 Prime is like one of the worst X370 board, apparently.
Get the Taichi or Aorus or something else.

Maybe BIOS will fix it, but eeehhh. The Taichi is pretty equivalent to the Crosshair, but much cheaper.

>>59866085
some mods can make use of gpu for graphic processing (Optifine is the most famous one, which also makes the game work on multiple threads, commonly doubling the performance), you can also install shader packs who make certain parts of the game look better (also uses the gpu)

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What is the best high end case and why is it pic related?

>>59866417
Not in certain gaymes and especially not with Ryzen.

>>59866479
>full tower with 4 5.25" bays
What is this, 2003?

>>59866376
if you're going to another quad core, no
even more seeing that you don't do anything too intensive on your computer, like video encoding/rendering and other things like that

>>59866479
holy shit that's digusting

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>>59866492
>fan controller
>4k bluray drive
>hotswap bay
>ez bake oven

Suck it faggot.

>>59866513
Whatever you say, gramps. Let me know if you ever need help moving that thing, don't want you throwing your back out.

>>59866530
>It's another uncultured pleb that doesn't know how to using his gaymen machine as the cornerstone of a great home theatre setup for watching kinomatography episode

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>>59866468
I just spend like 10 minutes confused on why none of the other x370 boards I just looked at didnt have DVI or Displayport on them and then I realized that those ports are on the gfx card

christ I need help

>>59866482

You'd be lucky to see 5% gains

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>>59866564
>OMG Shaniqua! Did you see Anon's big ugly COMPUTER next to his TV? What a loser! I bet he plays video games too!

>>59866624
Have you seen the benchmarks? It's a little bit more than 5% bro. CCX complexes need to communicate and that is entirely dependent on RAM speed.

>>59866677

no i haven't, please show them to me

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I was hoping to see benchmark comparisons with somewhat matured BIOS of different motherboards, since performance can vary 10% or more from motherboard to motherboard at the same stock clocks and same memory.

But fuck. I give up. Keep having updates that improve performance 5%, then back 4% the next update because microcode changed and those optimizations made on the last microcode no longer work.

Thankfully that pro4 motherboard is only $65 for 6+3 phase VRMs. If it means feeling the need to get a better motherboard later, then oh well I guess. All the more reason to just adopt AM4+ early when it comes, I guess.

>>59866677
>>59866687
Not him, but here: https://imgur.com/a/sbwqK Like 16 games tested IIRC. 20% gains in some cases.

The difference between dual and single channel is about another 3-15% as well.

>>59866713
also a note from this graph:
I don't think a CPU only render test is a useful measurement when it comes to gaming.
It ignores latency in the PCIe.

Auros looks best to me by those results, but that was like 2 weeks ago. Things keep changing every week so it's impossible to figure out which is the "best" board.

>>59866495
So I should get the 1600X or higher if I do?

>>59866713

why did they use low settings for all of these?

>>59866744
yeah, the 2500k is still too good for a quad core, and you're doing just simple things

chances are that you'd be better off overclocking it than replacing for now

>>59866762
Avoid GPU usage for heavier emphasize on CPU performance.

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I just bought a budget video editing build:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

Is it cuck tier or might as well kill my self tier?

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Would this board and motherboard combo be acceptable or should I look into others?

>>59866812
nice list, but it would be better if it showed the components you bought

>>59866791
I'm either going to build a new PC for myself and give current one to sister, or just build one for her.
She needs about the same specs I have now, and if I build one for myself I want it to be noticeably faster.
Just trying to decide what to do within my budget.

>>59866809

gotcha, makes sense.

>>59866816
You posted this earlier. Can you not afford the 2x8GB RAM combo or what?

>>59866833
what games do you play?

>>59866845
>You posted this earlier.
Not the same anon.

>Can you not afford the 2x8GB RAM combo or what?
Wasn't sure if going to 16GB would be a waste for a machine that would be used for occasional Rocket League and Overwatch.

>>59866853
Currently Tales of Berseria, God Eater 2, Dark Souls 3, Rimworld, MGS5, and a bunch of Elite Dangerous.

>>59866898
I think the more noticeable improvements you're going to see are a ssd and new gpu

if you're going for a new cpu, get the 1600(X), it may not increase game performance too much, but you'll have better multitasking from the additional cores/threads

but just so I can really know what to say, can you list your current specs here?

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>>59866845
>he fell for the 16GB meme

>>59866874
16GB is the new 8GB. Even light internet browsing is RAM-hungry and if you have a bunch of tabs open while you're gaming it'll start to get cramped.

It's roughly $50 more for some good DDR4-3000 and I'd say that's worth it for less than a new game at release.

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>>59866812
>>59866822
I'm a retard

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ztY8vV

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>>59865066
Any improvements? I just want the best performance possible for gaming and very occasional video editing, as close to $900 as possible. Currently at $918 cheapest price.

>>59866971
why not a m.2 nvme ssd? it will give you better performance on video editting

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>>59866936

>>59866953
But that's not true. 8GB utilization is still ridiculously hard to reach for 1080p gaming and browsing use and I have 16GB.

>>59867002
A what? I'm kind of retarded when it comes to g stuff.

I'm looking to do my first build, have no previous experience and am having some trouble wrapping my head around where to start

Purpose: Gaming primarily, but would also be using it for photo and video editing.

Budget: I can go up to $1000 but would prefer to keep it around $750

If anyone has done a similar build any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

>>59866971
>1700x
>16GB memory
>only a 480
Could have got a 1700 with stock cooler and bought a 1070 or better. Oh well. Not bad aside from that.

>>59867002
I really, really like this meme.

>>59867021
1600, 1070, 16GB of RAM, 256GB SSD. Should be able to get that with a cheap motherboard, power supply and case for around $800.

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>>59865066

Looking to replace my graphics card any suggestions?
(I know it's not a great build but it's my first)
Also the SSD doesn't show up for some reason? Can't download anything/ run anything off of it because it doesn't seem to exist.

>>59867066
not worth it, the 390 is still good for 1080p

>>59867079

Playing Far Cry 4 on ultra and it's dipping down to the high 50's...

>>59867032
I've heard everywhere that a 480 8gb is more than enough for video editing.

And can anyone tell me how to find this >>59867002 on PC part picker?

>>59867083
get some card fit for ultra 1440p @60fps (like the gtx 1070) and be happy

>>59867111

Gracias! Would I need to update my wattage for that? Was thinking about also upgrading power
supply

>>59867138
well, if your psu is trusworthy and not some chinese knockoff, no, the 1070 uses a lot less power than the r9 390

>>59867103
Integrated graphics are more than enough for video editing if you want to wait ages for rendering. The point is a 1070 would be better and your CPU is overkill for your video card.

Could a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO handle a i7 7700k?

>>59867021
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mrGwZ8

This is a quick one to start you off. Not sure on the MOBO and the storage setup might need some work.

You can consider dropping down to mATX to save a bit of money on the mobo + case and get it down around the $900 mark.

Will do 1080p gaming for years to come and can handle 1440 as decent settings but you'll have to crank it down as the years go by.

>>59867173
well, the 212 evo is a overrated cooler, but it does the job.. In the end it depends, what are you doing with the 7700k? if you're going to overclock it to crazy speeds I recommend something beefier

>>59867021
>>59867050
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7ZQgHN
More like $900.

>>59867190
>>59867193
Or you could get a 1070 and SSD for less money.

>>59867173

If you want to go over 4.5-4.6ghz you'll need a nice 280mm AIO

I own a 6700k with a 212evo and it hits 70c in stress tests with a mild overclock

>>59867150

Can confirm all parts are legit.
Thank you v much!

>>59867205
I included an HDD as the "difference" between the 480 and the 10708GB

If he's doing video editing he'll probaby need somewhere to store all the fuckhuge video files and a 240GB SSD wont cut it.

>>59867173
>Hyper 212 EVO
Why would anyone purchase this thing when the Cryorig H7 exists?

>>59867242

because the h7 only has one fan

>>59867224
And you included a Deathstar, so he can lose all those important files when it fails in 12 months.

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aight i know my gfx is shit, and i need to upgrade. only getting like 100fps in csgo, and i need a better card to play overwatch and all the 'newer' games

what card do i get?

>>59867206
>>59867242

I forgot to say, I don't pretend to do an overclock

And can anyone tell me how to find this >>59867002 on PC part picker?

>>59867328
Why are you purchasing a k cpu if you do not intend to overclock?

>>59867328

then no, it wouldn't be able to handle it.

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>>59867280

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-stats-q1-2016/

>>59867327
>GTX260
Holy moly

Also yes a 1070 will easily destroy 144hz in CSGO

>>59867332
https://pcpartpicker.com/search/?q=m.2+ssd

>>59867170
I'll probably just return it then. Everyone told me 480 8gb is more than enough video editing. I'll see how it goes.

>>59867345
nah, i put off getting a graphics card late, like real late. i borrowed this card from my cousin until i upgraded but never did.

thanks i'll look into a 1070

Looking to build my first gaming pc. Never done this before so can I get some advice and specs?

>>59867332
The only NVMe SSD worth it imo is the Samsung 960

The Intel ones are crap and you may as well just get a normal SSD instead

>>59867332

you want a samsung 950 pro

>>59867340
Okay, noob here....
Even the base clock of 7700k its much higher than the 7700...
Would it be a good option get the 7700k and stay with the base clock?

>>59866992
>>59866992
yea get a 7700k not a 7700.

>>59867362
Read the OP nigger

>>59867385
>>59867382

don't recommend that. then they'd have to get a new motherboard, and an aftermarket cooler for the K.

a 7700 is just fine

>>59867362
Ryzen 5 1600
Stock CPU cooler
16GB 3000MHz+ DDR4 Ram
$100 B350 motherboard
GTX 1070
256GB SSD
1TB HDD
650Watt Gold Rasted PSU

>>59867362

This >>59867400 but consider an AMD GPU such as the 480 8GB or upcoming 580 8GB

>>59867396
Brilliant =)

So thats my specs until now
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2MTDFd

Any other suggestion?

>>59867021
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b6q9pb

If you buy used you can get this even cheaper.

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>>59867344
It's almost like you think a Deskstar is comparable to the much more expensive HGST stuff. But I know you're not that retarded right?

>>59867434
This build is dogshit and there are already two much better options in the replies.

>>59867437
I'm not, but I still maintain that Hitachi is a reliable brand and not anywhere near as bad as the historical SeaGate levels of failure in the past.

Anyways we're arguing over meme builds we made for some newfag in the span of 5 minutes.

He probably doesn't even know what we're talking about.

>>59867432
Faggy build 2bh. 2016 called.

>>59867396
shut up retard.

>>59867432
1 min and I will set you up with a build.

>>59867453

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b6q9pb


How is it dogshit? Explain to me what it is missing besides an SSD he can get later.

>>59867478
It isn't dogshit, he's just being a douche. Recommending anything LGA 1151 is pants on head retarded at this point in time.

Is there any reason not to get the cheap reference blower cards if I don't plan on OC?

Should I get an i5-7500 or a Ryzen 1500X for my new PC build?

>>59867518
They can potentially be a bit noisier because they only have one smaller sized fan. They can perform a few percentage points less due to 1) no factory OC and 2) will thermally throttle sooner once pushed really hard due to less cooling ability.

>>59867432

Yea I suggest you buy used what you can off of amazon. You can save over $100 easily.

also this. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LyHQYr

$100 more than what you had with a case and a not jenky psu.

>>59867516

lol posts like this make me so glad i was able to get impartial criticism on my 6700k build before ryzen debuted

now the pent-up floodgates of intel hate have been opened and spilled over all of /g/

>>59867529
Step up to the 1600.

>>59867563
The 1600 is outside my price range.

>>59867547
>>59867432

Also if you went with an AMD Build you can get a cheaper build at the moment. An RX 480 is a great little GPU and if you wait a bit longer the 500 series will be out.

>>59867570
If $30 more is too much hold off and wait. It's fucking $30...

>>59867597
What will the 1600 give me that the 1500X won't have besides more cores/threads which I don't need.

>>59867529
Purchasing a R5 1600 and using the included cooler is the best price/performance.

>>59867576

So, wouldn't be a problem get a 7700k for not overclocking it ? (and the 212 EVO could handle it?)

>>59867614
But a 1500X has the same exact cooler. Why should I pay more for more cores and threads when I won't need them?

>>59867561
Fox/grapes, etc. SkyKaby has the performance edge in some useless, easy to run games but LGA 1151 is a dead end.

>>59867529
1500X, obviously.

>>59867327
1070 is the lowest card currently to get 144 fps min in overwatch.
Maybe a 1060 with a significant overclock.
RX480 gets like 300fps average or some shit in CSGO.

>>59867619
You can just get a 7700 for around $300.

Hello /pcbg/

I'm planning a content creator build. Focused mostly on 3D modeling and animation.

So Blender, Maya, 3DS Max, Adobe Premier and other autodesk/adobe suites and software.

I'm looking at the Ryzen 1700 at the moment.

This is what i have so far
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N7sWCy

Any recommendations?

Would you get the full 32Gb of RAM intead of 16?

Is the 480 the right gpu?
I plan to buy the 480 once the 580 comes down to see if the price drops, or the 580 delivers.

I don't need more storage, that's just for OS and programs. Have other HDD for content.

My budget is a max of $1000USD, but would like to ge tthe best bang/buck. and i'm still missing the case, but dont care for looks so probably will just by a shitty used one for like $10.

>>59867619
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition, 8GB GDDR5 - $345 used Amazon

EVGA SuperNOVA 550 G2, 80+ GOLD 550W - $59.99 Used Amazon

Intel 7th Gen Intel Core Desktop Processor i7-7700K - $327 Used Amazon

MSI Pro Series Intel Z270 DDR4 HDMI USB 3 CrossFire ATX Motherboard (Z270 PC MATE) - $115 Used Amazon


$846 When buying Used for these 4 parts.

$917.11 when buying new.

Most of these parts come in the orignal package like new. If you don't trust that cooler which would be fine if you don't overclock much you could use the savings and get a liquid corsair H60 or something like that.

>>59867625
>>59867625
It has 50% more multithreaded potential. For 30 bucks that's a crazy thing to pass up. It's useless to you now but how many years do you plan on owning the PC? Quad cores are already getting squeezed.

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About to pull the trigger on a 1080. But still researching, hoping to order it within the hour. I'm looking at the EVGA 1080 FTW and FTW2. I want to get the FTW but scared as shit since all those MUH FIRES!! and I am not certain if they have been fixed yet (no verified answer from my research, just "well I think" responses), reading user reviews has not been helping ease my mind. FTW 2 is more expensive, but not seeing much negative press. Which one should I go for /pcbg/?

>>59867679
Don't get that board. It's one of the worst and should really be an A320.

Get the ASRock Pro4 mATX. It's $65-$75 right now and was linked earlier in the thread.

I'd get the Seasonic 550RM PSU and a cheaper RX480. The ROG Strix was still on sale for $210 last I checked. The Red Devil might still be $190.

>I don't need more storage, that's just for OS and programs. Have other HDD for content.
I'd still get a larger SSD. Faster loading of your assets from.

>Would you get the full 32Gb of RAM intead of 16?
I don't know. I thought rendering is one of the things that uses the most memory.

>>59867696
>EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition, 8GB GDDR5 - $345 used Amazon
That's still so much for a 1070. I see them new around $325, and I still think that's too much for what you get.
Like 20-30%% better than an RX580 for 50% more money. meh.

>>59867721
>EVGA 10 anything
Enjoy the explosions.

>>59867721
look for something with better cooling f.a.m

>>59867679
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N7sWCy

Get a better SSD from the samsung 850 series. A 250gb. A 480 will be just fine.

You might like this more.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rxW6d6

>>59867608
You don't NEED them but more cores and threads is essentially breathing room for your computer when you have a bunch of background shit running while you play your games.

It's worth the $30, trust me. That's like 3 burritos at Chipotle that you can give up.

>>59867710
>Quad cores are already getting squeezed
How? I don't see the advantage of multithreads if I don't even use my PC for media rendering or similar tasks right now.

>>59867750
Meant to reply to >>59867744 as well.

>>59867750
>I don't multitask and I never will
this is you

>>59867456
Correct, you lost me a while back, still reading and lurking though

>>59867769
Don't quadcores multitask just as fine as 6-cores though?

>>59867750
Do you use it for games? Check out BF1 for example.

Bare bones budget build with best performance to dollar ratio?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dpF39W

>>59867679
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FQhTRG

The Strix is on sale $234 with a 30 mail-in rebate on Amazon right now (not sure why it isn't picking that up) so it'll squeeze you right under the $1000 mark.

>>59867782

It's literally as simple as "more cores = better in the long run" in this case.

4c/4t are going the way of the dinosaur and if you're buying into that you're just dumping money into something you'd upgrade in a year or two anyways.

It's really affordable, yeah, but the 1600 is just a much better option because you have more headroom for your computer to manage all the background shit while you're hammering the majority of your CPU with whatever new meme game you're playing.

And if you're not a gaymer and actually use your computer for other, productive things then it's a no brainer and you're shooting yourself in the foot for not going with something like the 1600, or even 1700.

>>59867798
Yes but I don't see how that is a related question.

>>59867782
only on light multitasking

>>59867844
mean to say 4c/8t

>>59867845
Then you obviously didn't check it out. It maxes out on 4 core cpus.

>>59867844
I will just be using my PC for gayming and anime though.

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>>59867750
>How?
Well for 144fps, they definitely are. And since many people really want to hit 144fps minimum, it's going to mean taking advantage of 6 cores in the future, I believe. 4c/8t won't magically get better, there.

But for 60fps? 4c/8t will be fine for a long while.

>>59867782
No?
A game is typically going to use up 4c/8t now days for some of the poorer optimized ones just to drive 60fps+. Like Hitman runs shit on a 4c/4t and will drop under 60.
Having 6 means you can still get 60+fps but also have CPU left over for other shit.

>>59867858
For less than the price of a new game you get TWO MORE CORES which is more valuable than whatever FOTM crap you decide to buy.

But fuck it, it's your money. Just shut the fuck up in a year or so when you realize your CPU starts choking with the latest releases and you want to whine about it

>>59867806
>2133 Memory
You should really consider spending a bit of extra money and grabbing 3000+ memory.

>>59867803
>MSI GAMING PRO
You can't overclock on that which ruins your performance to dollar thing.
Get 5+3 VRMs minimum. Maybe 5+2 if you're sure it still supports 3200 RAM fine.

>>59867871
>And since many people really want to hit 144fps minimum
Honestly I just want to hit 60fps minimum. I'll be getting a RX 480 8GB so it's not like I'll be hitting 144 fps on most games anyways.

>>59867877
wrong guy? That's 3200Mhz

>>59867803
>>59867877

>>59867735
>>59867727
>>59867806

Thanks for the advice, kind anons, I'll take them into account!

>>59867897
Yeah.
A 1500X would be perfectly fine for that. It gets at least 60fps minimum on 99%+ of games fine. Way better than an i5-7500 or G4560 for that matter.
Just be aware that it might not last you 5 years.

Like when the 2500k came out, it seemed great. Nothing really used over 4 threads.
4 years later, things were starting to get stuttery on newer titles. Now days it can really be a mess, even overclocked to like 4.3ghz.

People are recommending the 1600 like the 2600k that people should have bought instead of the 2500k back then. The 2600k has held up far better than the 2500k.
But that's really not a big deal since AMD isn't changing socket every 1.5 years like Intel. You can just upgrade the CPU in 3-4 years on the same motherboard.

>>59867903
>>59867896
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R6Pc7h

>>59867946
Cutting costs with your psu is just asking for problems.

>>59867946
Just get the ASRock Pro4 mATX. And an mATX case. Then spend $15-$25 more on a less garbage PSU. fuck.

>>59867934
Thanks for the advice. I think I'll spring for the 1600. How does this build look?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WFpR6X

Are EVGA P2 PSU units just flat out better than the G2s?

Since so many are posting 1600 builds.
This is the best for under $950
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hJPc7h

You can knock off $60 to just get 8GB of RAM, and knock off $90 by just getting a HDD, and then you have a $780 build instead.
But that SSD is probably something you'll have for longer than you'll have the GPU and CPU, so I'd spend the extra for it.

That should be the most absolute best overall value build both near and long term.

>>59867964
Looks fine. Just use froogle or something to see that you're getting those individual parts for the cheapest you can.

>>59867964
Get faster RAM. 2800 minimum.

Is this an OK mid-tier build?
I've never built a PC before and don't currently play games but am looking to get back into it, nevertheless the machine will largely be for everyday tasks + development, will upgrade the ram later to accommodate ofr VMs.


https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/gghTRG
1150 kangaroo dollars

>>59868128
please lurk moar

The board has been commented on a lot.
Also just get an RX470. Not worth the extra cost for the RX480 4GB unless the 480 is only like 10-15% more.

>>59868128
I suggest the 1600(X) if you're messing around with virtual machines and development, the additional cores/threads will help in both

>>59868063
how big of an impact will RAM speed have my performance?

>>59868128
If you are really on a budget I would drop the SSD and pick up the 8gb version of the 480.

Might try this.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/83MDFd

>>59868175
on ryzen RAM speed has a big impact

>>59868175
Going from 2400 to 2800? Probably 1.5-6% ish depending on the game. 0.1-2% in applications.

1.5-6% is a big deal considering the overclock wall you get. Much easier to get more performance with faster RAM than overclocking on Ryzen.

I better not hear about any of you fucks complaining about how bad your cheap MSI board is in a week.

>>59865066
>Want to upgrade but know that new shit's right around the corner
What do

My PC isn't that old but it's starting to show some signs of age. I'm currently running a GTX 680 and FX-8350. I currently do a lot of photo-editing and gaming so at the very least I'm planning on upgrading to something equivalent to a 1070 (starting to lean towards a 1080/Vega equivalent).
I'm also thinking about picking up one of the R7 cpus since I want to get into streaming, how's the 1700X and Corsshair VI?

>>59868185

which is why you buy intel

>>59868128
Like others said, consider considering a 1600 and bumping up the 480 to 8GB or go down to the 470.

Pick a better mobo. It looks like you're doing mATX with an ATX case too, unless I'm mistaken. Be consistent.

PSU seems eh but you're AUS and from what I understand the rest of the world can't get the glorious PSUs we do here in murica.

I wouldn't drop the SSD and instead drop the HDD to save money.

The 2nd RAM stick (ideally aim for 16GB) and HDD are something you can buy a bit later with the next paycheck.

>>59868207
RAM speed has a significant impact on Intel as well. Just not as significant.

You still gain more performance per dollar spent on RAM with Intel than how much you spend trying to get big overclocks. With Ryzen that gain is just even larger.

>>59868206
don't buy asus for am4, they fucked it up big time

get gigabyte or other brands recommended for am4 here

>>59868185
Like how of an impact though, specifically.
>>59868191
That's not that big of a difference imo

>>59868165
>>59868183
Thanks

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Seem good? Not 100% on the RAM, but it's GSkills new model (currently on sale) that's supposed to be for Ryzen.

Just imagine how well the Ryzen 5 release would have been if motherboard producers had their shit together.

>>59868226
They only "fucked it up" by dropping the ball on the BIOS stuff early on. Boards are still solid, just gotta give them time to fix their shit.

That's a lousy excuse but I just want to get the idea out that isn't not a permanent problem with the boards. They're overpriced right now but I'd go back to recommending an Asus AM4 board whenever they go through a small price drop and get a good/stable BIOS out

That goes for pretty much all the AM4 boards out there besides the ASRock stuff.

>>59868268
Don't use 2400 MHz RAM with a Ryzen.

>>59868268
Ideally you want RAM that's a bit higher up there in clock speed. If that was the sale on 2800 or 3000Mhz RAM I'd snatch the up in a heartbeat.

>>59868229
a 6% difference is the same you get from overclocking from 3.8ghz to 4ghz. Lots of people aren't going to reach or exceed 4ghz on a 1500X or 1600.

>>59868268
uhhh $100 for 2400 is expensive.
If you just get 3000 or 3200 the worst case is that it probably runs at 2800-2933.
2800 is the slowest you should get with Ryzen.

>>59868273
Yeah. Shit BIOS alone accounts for losing 10% performance in a lot of cases.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DrXZD8

Rate my racing sim build

http://techbuyersguru.com/gaming-ddr4-memory-2133-vs-26663200mhz-8gb-vs-16gb?page=1

these guys say that RAM clock speed doesn't matter

>>59868317
Pretty bad
>expensive ass motherboard
>cheap shit DDR4 2400 RAM.
>not taking advantage of dual channel
>losing 10% performance using 4 sticks of RAM, then adding on an AIO to try to recover those free performance gains you lost out on
>huge ass case when only a single PCI slot is used
>6700k for racing Sims when F1 and Forza both slobber the 1600's knob
>$600 for 1080 vertical lines

The PSU and SSD are okay, at least. I'd return everything else.

>>59868329
Yes, with a CPU that supports quad channel it doesn't so much.
see: >>59866713

How should I house a 2.5" drive from my old laptop in an old PC that I'm using as a home media server? Can I just duct tape it in?

>>59868355

>10% performance

what are you smoking

>>59864347

Out of stock in 4 hours...kek

>>59868416
But it was always 199.99 if you used pcpartpicker to find good deals...

>>59868373
>what are you smoking
facts.
I'm smoking facts.
Dumb fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNuSK1-8ta0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7JSv8anUNs

>>59868440
Yes. It was that price, but usually out of stock.

>>59868444
But i can easily order one right now from Jet.com (aka Jew.com)...

>>59868441

2x8gb = single channel. 4x4gb = dual channel

>>59868464
Alright pal, here's the breakdown.

That mobo was sold out everywhere pretty much since release.

A batch of them became available and multiple online retailers had them available including NewEgg and Amazon.

They're in a high demand so Newegg sold out in 4 hours. Amazon has <5 left last time I check. If you found some on jew.com it's probably leftover from that same batch.

>>59868487
Well ive known that. AMD needs to get their shit together. But the thing is that why havent people looked hard enough? I found it with an easy google search.

>>59868502
Reread what I said. People WERE looking. You just found one now because the new batch dropped. Also, AMD has no part in this.

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>>59868472
>2x8gb = single channel. 4x4gb = dual channel
oh boy

>>59868502
Board manufacturing isn't AMD's problem unless they didn't make enough chipsets (doubtful, and no reports of that)

>>59868519
>>59868525
Well even though there were no reports of not enough chipsets, that might be the case. I sure hope not.

As cheap as I could make reasonable performance, reasonable cost gaming pcs. Not interested in a 4 thread 2017 build.
$900 show down
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7vF39W Red
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GZdfjc Blue/Green

>>59868573
see: >>59868053
Maybe don't bother with the thermal paste since if you want to upgrade the cooling, getting a Noctua or Cryorig will come with good thermal paste.

The stock cooler is good, but I'm pretty sure that even a C7 or L9 is an upgrade.

Would it be a mistake to put my 5 year old psu into my new ryzen 5 system?

>>59868606
yes

>>59868606
What's the wattage? Efficiency rating?

If you're in the USA, good Gold 80+ PSU are <$100 so you may want to consider it against potentially losing a piece or several when the PSU goes.

>>59868606
What is the make and model?
A good PSU lasts 10+ years fine.

>>59868631
>If you're in the USA, good Gold 80+ PSU are <$100
kek <$100.
Yeah, $50 is technically less than $100, but that's an understatement.

>>59868631
overkill with 800watts, 80+

will it literally kill the whole system if it dies? i need to wait a couple months before i have enough money for a new one

>>59868659
thermaltake

>>59868631
>>59868663
Why are they so cheap over here? Here is 85€ minimum for a gold rated antec psu.

>>59868702
>Why are they so cheap over here
Mail in rebates.
It's $70, which is close to that price. Minus $20 MiR.
Like 70% of people don't even mail them in, so really they wind up getting about $65 instead of $50.
Those that do go through the minor inconvenience get them for cheaper.

It's my understanding that MiR don't work as well in other countries as they do in the US.

>>59868672
Thermaltake is a make, not a model, fuckface.

>>59868733
The euro is still slightly over the dollar. I don't know what a mail in rebate is. Does that mean you get a rebate because you tell them to ship you? That's crazy.

>>59865066
I was looking at the ASRock X370 Taichi and it says it supports supports DDR4 3200+(OC)/2933(OC)/2667/2400/2133
Does this mean I buy 2667 speed RAM and overclock that to 3200hz or do I get 3200hz RAM and overclock the motherboard to support it? I have never done any overclocking before.

>>59868751
No.

You get a form that you fill out like 5 lines of information, attach a copy of the packing slip or invoice, and you mail that to them.
Then they mail you a $20 VISA gift card or something like that.

It's money back you get for spending an extra 3 minutes of your time that most people are too lazy to do after buying something based on the price after MiR. We also have the most consumerist economy. Retailers can have lower profit per unit when they're moving more units.

There's also other forms of hoops you can do here. Like people were getting RX470s for $85 a week or two ago.
My Ryzen 1600X upgrade looks like it's going to be under $440 for...
1600X
Cryorig C1
ASRock Pro4 mATX
32GB of RAM.
I also got a M12II 650W for $42 to put in a left over case to sell my old parts in.

Not entirely sure yet since I'm waiting to see if the 1600X goes on sale soon like the 1700X and 1800X were which could shave another $30 off.

I'm torn between getting 1080p or 1440p. Can the RX 480 handle 1440p?

On one hand, 1080p is the norm now. It's comfortable and familiar, and has a lot of options.

1440p is newer but on the cusp of becoming absolutely mainstream. Good options but everything is more expensive.

Gimme a 24-inch 1080p IPS monitor with Freesync or a 27-inch 1440p IPS monitor with FreeSync.

If it has a thin bevel/infinite edge that's a plus.

>>59868806
You could try overclocking the 2667 but I doubt you'd hit 3200 unless it's 2667 at 1.2v.

>>59868820
>Can the RX 480 handle 1440p
Better than the 1060, yes. GCN scales well with resolution. But not as well as an R9 Fury. Why not just get the R9 Fury if you're in the US? $240.

>>59865066
I fucking hate spoiled kids REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>59868828
Already bought a 480 that should be here this weekend. If I upgrade it'd be something from the future, not the past.

Just concerned with which monitor to gettot top off my build at this point.

>>59868828
So I get the super fast RAM and overclock something on the motherboard to get it to read RAM faster? Why is this even a thing if both the RAM and the motherboard both already agree that they can support the higher speed. Is this just a way to build attachment to a product or something?

>>59868602
totally missed that, good tips anons. I'm set on the gaming 3 though, its the only b350 that uses the x370 audio chip. paste is just to see what I can squeeze on the stock cooler with pstate/offset oc. Definitely going to check out jet

>>59868856
It'll go under 60 in some games, but if your Freesync monitor is doing a 40-75hz range, you should be golden.
You should still get over 60fps minimum in tons, tons of games at 1440p on an RX480. Especially if you can overclock it to 1380-1450mhz.
In some games, you might just have to drop a setting or two down that doesn't perceptively change the visuals since "ultra/max" settings now days is just shill benchmarking garbage and rarely makes the game look better.

I myself could never suffer under 1080p. I tried that garbage before. 1920x1200 is the minimum for me. So I'm bias, but whatever.

>>59868871
The Gigabyte Gaming 3 is a perfectly good board. Go for it.

>>59868862
Huh? No there are "A-XMP" profiles or whatever built in for the motherboard to try to achieve those advertised clocks on some memory. It's a setting in BIOS that should be on by default.
But you can try to manually overclock higher than RAM is rated.

>>59868904
Haven't purchased anything yet. I'm in the figuring out what I need to buy stage.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fcz9pb
I am still figuring out RAM and GPU and I am borrowing my SSD from my old computer.

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>>59868733
>Thermaltake is a make, not a model, fuckface.
>What is the make and model?
>Thermaltake is a make
>fuckface

hmm..what did he mean by this

Torn between the GIGABYTE GA-AB350-Gaming 3 and MSI B350 TOMAHAWK.

>>59868934
>What is the make and model?
>make
>and model

>>59868945
Gaming 3, easy. Better VRMs. Dual BIOS. Better audio on the ATX one.

>>59868960
>What is the make and model?
>make
>and model
fuckface.

>>59868986
... how are you this dumb? You must be under 18.
Thermaltake is the make.
A model is something like "430W TR2".

Good luck getting someone else to help you. You already wore down my patience.

>>59868904
Alright you sold me on the 1440p meme. Just gimme a sexy monitor now.

>>59869034
Look up a list of freesync monitors, and look at ones that do 40hz highest for the minimum rate (a lot of them are 48 or higher), and are 1440p.
I'd go for IPS as well.

That should narrow down to a few monitors, and then go check reviews on those.

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Anyone had any experience installing windows 7 on an a4 build? As far as I can tell shouldn't be a problem if the mobo has usb 2.0 but I'm interested to hear experiences.

>>59869058
Yeah, I did that, and then saw the price tag. That's put my total investment in this first build of mine at almost $2,000 which is way more than I can afford right now.

Might just go with 1080p for the time being ans upgrade later.

>>59869083
Yes. No problem if it has usb 2.0.
You will also need to manually install updates since MS is blocking windows update on Kabylake and Ryzen.

You can also install Linux first, which you should probably do anyway.
Then just mainly use Linux and run Win10 instead in a VM for shit you need it for.

>>59869094
You can get 1440p Freesync IPS for like $350, I'm pretty sure.
There was a 4K 27" Freesync IPS for $300, refurbished, earlier today. But it's gone now.

What is better:
1x8GB @ 1600MHz
Or
2x8GB @ 1333MHz

>>59866992
yea get rid of that meme cpu and get a 1700 instead

>>59869102
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01NCTHS6E/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=new
Looks like a fantastic monitor even though it's TN.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/acer-xf270hua-27-ips-led-hd-freesync-monitor-black/5622408.p?skuId=5622408 was $450 a few days ago for an IPS.

http://acerrecertified.com/acer-lcd-widescreen-monitor-27-led-display-4k-uhd-3840-x-2160-ips-6-ms/#product-custom-fields
Another 4K IPS. $350.
Just sell the RX480 when Vega comes. kek.

Idk. They're out there somewhere.

>>59869161
the dual channel.

>>59866992
Get a cheap ass $80-$90 Z270 board that's too shit for overclocking, but will still allow you to run faster RAM.

You get a 15% increase in performance going from 2133 to 3200 in shittily programmed games like FO4 and some others. Worth spending the extra $50 on mobo+RAM.

And try and find a better deal on GPU. $374 is too much for a 1070 imo.
And get a semi-modular gold PSU. $14 more for the Seasonic RM550 at newegg right now.

>>59867432
here this build is way better
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x8tsgL

>>59869193
2x8GB is it.

I had my doubts since its a old used RAM but i wanted to increase my IGPU performance without spending money.
Running memtest on it, 80% done and 0 errors.

Benefits:
16GB RAM.
Duak channel.

Downsides:
1333MHz RAM instead 1600MHz but this wont matter since dual channel will be better right?

New thread?

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>>59869102
cool, cheers. So when a mobo says usb 2.0 available through internal headers is that a pretty straight forward usb connector on the board somewhere?

I'm almost 100% against win 10 just because of the way Microsoft behaved and trying to get GPU passthrough etc working on linux seems like a real bother. If I can win 7 I will but maybe will have to update my skills a bit and do a passthrough setup in the near future.

>>59869247
You make it? Just copy the OP shit. Seems fine.

>>59869257
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11182/how-to-get-ryzen-working-on-windows-7-x64 should be better help.

>>59869257
You could always add the USB 3.0 drivers to your installer with something like MSI smart tools you know.

>>59869257
I'm pretty sure
>available through the internal USB headers
means it has it on the bottom of the board to connect to case USB 2.0. So you need a case with USB 2.0

>>59869164
1080p freesync IPS seems to have slim pickings, though

>>59869280
You mean 1440p? For 1080p there are tons.
There are updated lists better than the one on AMD's site, sadly. But I forget the site.

>>59869273
I do have a case with usb 2! I think I get what those are.
>>59869267
Yeah I had a read of that, USB 2 would be the easiest but I guess there are many other options!
>>59869268
This is territory I've not strayed into but I guess it could be fun to learn how to do.

Thanks everyone, given me a bit more confidence to go ahead with ryzen