/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>59838982
Thanks for no shill OP but 470 isn't that great if you live in the U.S. really. Price/performance for 480 is just too much better for the extra money.

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>tfw poorfag

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What are AMD alternatives to 1050Ti with passive cooling to replace 750Ti?

>>59839083
Yeah but like 50% of posters are from the U.S.
At least make a note about it.

>>59839085
>poorfag
>wont buy used parts
>4chan loonixtime filename

>>59839089
There isn't really one if you want to pray gayms. What's wrong with the 1050ti?

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Reposting from last thread.
As for the GPU I was thinking about GTX1060-6GB / RX480 8GB. Which of those 2 would you recommend?

>>59838837
>waiting
>IT'S LITERALLY RELEASED TODAY
Not im my country sadly. Have to wait at least a month, probably longer.
>Major problems are that I don't think those particular SSDs are reliable
I guess the pirce was a little too good for 525 GB to not hae some problems.
I could go with a smaller capacity one like
https://www.amazon.de/SK-Hynix-Canvas-SSD-Festplatte-5-Zoll-Laufwerk/dp/B01H5KW8VG/
https://www.amazon.de/PNY-CS1311-Interner-Flash-Speicher-240GB/dp/B019H3B3OW/
Or pick a more expensive high capacity one like
https://www.amazon.com/MyDigitalSSD-80mm-Express-PCIe-480GB/dp/B01MDRUXNZ/
Mostly plan on having just my OS and maybe a couple of games on it, so 250GB should be fine I guess.
>and that shit 2133mhz RAM.
What would you recommend? The 3000mhz ones would be quite a bit more expensive. And I lack the experience to say if it's worth it/necessary.
>Did you forget the cooler, too?
A bunch of people in the last thread kept saying that the i7 stock cooler is pretty decent so you could save some money by forgoing one. Is that not the case?

>>59839112
Nothing, but i thought that since AMD suppose to compete on GPU market they should've offered something similar.

>>59839131
The RAM is shit yeah but I don't really know the situation in Euro and cbf checking. No 2400 stuff?
i7 stock cooler is fine for nominal use but why get the K version if you don't want to overclock?
MX300 isn't that bad an SSD really if it's considerably cheaper than alternative.
Seagate HDDs have a considerably higher failure rate on average than WD and shouldn't be that much cheaper.
Most importantly, why are you spending so much on a CPU and motherboard to get a pretty shit graphics card like a 1060 or 480?

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>R5 not selling anywhere

>>59839157
Not in all areas obviously. For a long time the 7850 was the best low profile card available with no real competitor from nVidea, obviously not the case now. It's always varying for niche stuff.

>>59839039
It's difficult because it depends on sales.

Sometimes the cheapest RX470 is $120 when the cheapest RX480 is $170.
It's 90% the performance, so being 65% the price is good value.

But when there's an RX480 for $150 and the cheapest RX470 is $140, then okay obviously the RX480.

>>59839089
RX570 should be capable of passive cooling. It looks like it's on an updated process and more power efficient.
Have you considered a cooler with a single 120mm or 140mm that can run nearly completely silently, though?

>>59839085
>spending $100 on a 1050
>when an RX470 is literally TWICE as fast and not much more money.
idk man it's not worth it.
Hell you can buy a used 7970 or 280X for under $85 that's still 50% better than that shit.

>>59839201
7970 is GOAT poorfag video card.

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>Still rocking a 290x

Oh my fucking god I'm a month away from getting an 1080ti

AYYAMMMDEEE VEGAA WHENNN

>>59839201
>RX570 should be capable of passive cooling
t. serial arsonist

>>59839240
Take it to /guts/ swag boy.

nVidia is offering For Honor or Ghost Recon Wildlands for those who purchased a 10 series GPU (1060 and above I think). Does it have to be an online purchase? If not then how do you get the free game.

>>59839240
Where's your fucking PSU?

>>59839172
I don't see it on any website dearest anon. Then again the business day hasn't really started in American yet.

i want to use an old ps3 fat as a case. the issue of course is even with a mitx board a gpu and cpu cooler dont fit properly. so the gpu solution is a pcie extension cable right? then what about the cpu cooler? also i want to use the ps3s power and eject button so how do i convert the ribbon cable to something a mobo can read?

https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/test_procesora_amd_ryzen_5_1400_konkurent_intel_core_i5_7400
rip
>>59839269
probably has a small paper with the codes written on it inside the box

>>59839240
I have a 7970 and I still don't feel rushed to get a new card. But I'll probably get Vega if it's good anyway just because it seems like the logical upgrade from this card that's lasted me forever and been able to play anything.

>>59839301
I see but what if it doesn't even though it was recently bought?

>>59839269
Who knows. Look up the terms and conditions. Usually with these promos you have to go to a site and enter your serial number. You get a redeem key if it's within the right manufacturing period. It's also often manufacturer specific but I don't know.

>>59839313
file a complaint to nvidia
they'll ask you for your GPU id number or some shit
you reply with it
???
get a free game

>>59839315
I see. Thank you

>>59839296
If you don't know the solution to the using the buttons, you probably don't know enough to do this right.

>>59839271
At the back. It's a pretty big case.

>>59839161
>The RAM is shit yeah but I don't really know the situation in Euro and cbf checking.
Disregard what I said, I suck cocks.
Apparently you can get Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB at 3000mhz at a similar price point. I don't know whit about brands, but I remember those being around for a while, so it should ge good, right?
>i7 stock cooler is fine for nominal use
Nevermind, apparently that one doesn't even include a stock cooler according to pcpartpicker. Would something simple like a 212 Evo be sufficient?
>but why get the K version if you don't want to overclock?
I've never done overclocking before, but I'll look into it this time around. Well, K does offer a higher tact frequency out of the box, does it not?
>Seagate HDDs have a considerably higher failure rate on average than WD and shouldn't be that much cheaper.
It's 45€ more expensive. Not sure if it's worth it. My last Seagate has held 6+ years.
>Most importantly, why are you spending so much on a CPU and motherboard to get a pretty shit graphics card like a 1060 or 480?
Becase everybody is telling me not to bother with i5s (I planned to take one at the beginning) and Ryzen 5 won't be out for at least a month (likely more) in my country. Also some of the games I play on playing are more CPU (modded CK2, which causes a lot of slowdown on anything that isn't a high-tier CPU).

Then again I'm unfamilar with current hardware, so I have a hard time matching them properly.

>>59839131
>>59839161
G.Skill Ripjaws DDR4-2400 is pretty cheap. Found it for 119€ here: https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/16GB-G-Skill-Ripjaws-DDR4-2400-SO-DIMM-CL16-Dual-Kit_1033470.html

>>59839374
What about Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB at 3000mhz?

>>59839301
>I need page for every single little test
>44 pages long
Why didn't we let the Germans finish off Poland?

These numbers don't look right at all, either
>i5-6400 better than i7-3770k in BF1.
>DX12 benchmarks with an nvidia GPU
>overclocks in some gaming benchmarks, but not others.

I think they literally made up most of these "results".

>>59839372
Nothing wrong with buying the i7 now. I just think you'd be better off getting the locked version and a cheaper motherboard and spending the saved money on at least a 1070. CPU specific games or not it's still a stupid performance gap if you get a 1060 or 480.

>>59839401
I'd agree with this.
Though the 1070 isn't very good performance/$ either.
But that in general, what you spend to significantly overclock a 7700k simply isn't worth it. A 7700 is good stock with a cheaper motherboard and the stock or a cheaper cooler.

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>>59839398
1. i7 benchmark isn't that surprising at stock clock. BF1 is a buggy POS.
2. I don't get it?
3. Little weird but eh.

>>59839435
Yeah I said at least because it seems they're on a strict budget and Euro prices are pretty bad.

What is the cheapest i7 build one can get? I need a backup plan if ryzen 5 flops.

>>59839465
Whatever build you're planning on getting.
But with a locked i7.

>>59839481
What does locked mean? You cant overclock?

>>59839401
>>59839435
Thanks for the advice guys, I'm really lost here.
What cheaper motherboard would you recommend?

>>59839495
yes

>>59839495
Yes. Intel processors suffixed with a "K" are unlocked, meaning the multiplier cannot be changed and they're priced higher. You can also save motherboard by getting a chipset that is "locked", but with essentially the same features as the more expensive gayming ones.

Hi, im total noob when comes to build pc. All the time i had laptop. Can someone answer me to this question please?
I know there are some kind cases, but im looking to build a compact pc, (size of a laptop, mb bigger than console) which should i choose? Anyone have like pic/photo to compare sizes?

Thank you!

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>>59839519
multiplier CAN be changed*

>>59839501
depends on your needs.
There is a fuckload of boards.
B250 will be cheaper, but Z270 will allow for faster RAM.

>>59839519
to be clear, you need BOTH the "k" on the CPU, and a Z270 board to overclock.

But... the cheap like $85-$120 Z270 boards are generally not good for overclocking, and really you need a $140+ one.
But they can be good at least support faster memory for not much more which can really give a bigger benefit than overclocking for cheaper.

It's fucking weird. Jews made things confusing to swindle people out of money.

>>59839501
Get a B250 chipset and avoid MSI. Whatever you like babe.

>>59839521
mini itx is the smallest formfactor. but if you have never build a pc before you should probatly stay away from that

>>59839521
full towers are for lots of hard drives
mini itx is for puzzle builders
literally anything else you will be able to work with as a noob

>>59839551
my friend which working as IT will help me, im going to read some shit etc. so yea. still its far from doing that but im doing small steps.

>>59839551
Worst post ever desu~

>>59839521
You won't be able to build one smaller than a console without a bit of effort. The main issue is the cooler for the CPU and video card usually needs to be quite large. You can buy "low profile" cases, about as large as the original PS3 or current PS4 Pro, but you would need to buy a low profile CPU cooler and video card to match.

>>59839333
its obviously a conversion adapter or a rewire, just dont know the adaptor name.

>>59839542
>>59839547
>B250 will be cheaper, but Z270 will allow for faster RAM.
And another choice I'm clueless about.
Well it's been pointed out what I was using slow 2133mhz Ram, so I picked a 3000 one.
I guess I could go a middleground with a GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H and some 2400mhz RAM.

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>>59839588
No, you just don't know what you're talking about.
>conversion adapter
>adaptor
Ha ha you got me 3/10 bait my dude.

>>59839617
B250 and 2400 RAM is the best option in my opinion, but it won't run memory faster than that. Compatible, but it will just slow it down to 2400.

>>59839637
Isn't it common practice though to buy a slightly better motherboard though?
Otherwise you might have to upgrade your motherboard together with the first part you upgrade.

>>59839655
you will have to do that anyway since there are no better CPUs comming out for socket 1151

>>59839655
Why would you have to do that? For what component?

I see you are talking about motherboards here. Let me ask you a question. What budget MoBo do I need for G4560+RX470 but with option to put better components later? Currently looking at GIGABYTE B250.

>>59839617
>>59839637
2400 is max on B250, but sometimes deals come up for a $85 Z270.
Those $85 Z270 aren't good for overclocking, but at that price could be worth it just so you could run 3200mhz RAM for that 5-10% performance improvement in gaymes.

But it depends on whether or not that cheap Z270 actually has the features you want.

Like you can currently get https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130993 to run up to 3800mhz RAM.
Spending an extra $30 for a motherboard and $20-$30 on RAM for a 5-10% performance improvement might be worth it.

But spending $80 more on a motherboard, $20-$30 more on ram, $90-$150 more on a cooler, and $40 more on an unlocked CPU for a 7-25% improvement makes less sense.

>>59839684
None, upgrading on Intel platforms is useless since they change the socket at least every two years.

>>59839521
You're probably looking for miniITX size, but save yourself the trouble and get microATX instead

>>59839711
but i'm updating only once in 8 years

>>59839684
Just some cheapass $60-$70 B250 and DDR4 2400 RAM.

You are never going to use all those PCI lanes that motherboards have. 99.99% people only use the single x16 slot for a GPU and that's it.

As far as upgradability.. well you don't have a huge upgrade path with any LGA1151. It's an EoL socket. There is not a better CPU coming out for them.
You can add in a locked 7700, which is over twice as good and very big upgrade. But you aren't going to be able to add a 6 core.

Would adding RGB lights to the case make the PC overall hoter?

>>59839547
What is wrong with msi mobos?

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>>59839201
>7970 or 280X
>8+6pin housefires
>vs no PCI power needed

Yeah no.

>>59839731
Thanks.

>>59839735
Only if they're red LEDs.

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Would Vega be bottlenecked by my system?
Should I just Delid it and push it to [email protected]?
Would upgrading to DDR3 2400 make a worthwhile difference?

Other stats
>750W PSU
>Freesync Monitor

>>59839767
What about blue?

>>59839719
Then get something good now and something new in 8 years. Pentium wont get you that far unless everything you do is jewbook, jewtube and mails.

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>>59839746
OK.

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>>59839767
Objectively wrong. Here's a basic /g/estalt.

>>59839746
find a used 960 then

>>59839780
no you will kill you cpu, ivy bridge an previous intel cpus are still solderd. delidding is only a thing for haswell and newer

>>59839780
>Would Vega be bottlenecked by my 4c/4t
Yes
>Should I just Delid it and push it to [email protected]?
Won't matter. 5ghz overclocked 7600k still drops under 60fps and locks up in tons of newer games.

>>59839674
So even with the twice as expensive 270 one you wouldn't be spared?

>>59839678
Well you are already at you upper limit as far as RAM is concerned (speed wise), so I'd assume it would be the same for other components as well.

>>59839703
Thanks man, you've been very helpful so far.
Already at nearly 1530€ as far as parts go and I still need to get another monitor, printer, mouse/keyboard, soundcard/networkcard and all that jazz. I've been picking parts from one shop so far, so I'll guess I'll cross check in the evening and see how much I can save buying from different shops. Might have to cut down on some components too, but I'll do that once I have every component listed.

>>59839829
Ivy bridge are deffo not soldered.
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=374202

>>59839834
What if I dropped in a used 3770K?

>>59839788
>Pentium wont get you that far unless everything you do is jewbook, jewtube and mails.
Not him, but joke's on you.
My Pc was 6+ years old with only minor upgrades (GPU died a couple of years ago, upgrade from 4GB to 8GB RAM) and could run Rainbow Six Siege and Total Warhammer (at low settings, but good FPS).

>>59839861
>So even with the twice as expensive 270 one you wouldn't be spared?
exactly
also check geizhals.at

Anyone else hype for r5 reviews today? Interested to see how the cheapest 4c8t does and the 6c chips too.

>>59839895
>also check geizhals.at
That's what I planned to do.
Guess I'll don't be a fauler sack and build that PC myself with parts from all over.

>>59839887
>at low settings

>>59839915
Still not Jewtube/Facebook and mails :^)

>>59839897
I gues i'm more interestet which jewtuber is shilling the most on this on lol

>>59839884
>What if I dropped in a used 3770K?
Yeah, that'd be a good upgrade.
Older CPUs hyperthreading isn't nearly as good as it is now days, but still much better.

>>59839897
I'm hoping we can see ones actually on new BIOS instead of shill reviewers dusting off the old BIOS versions and putting them with 2133mhz memory against Intel on 3800mhz.

>>59839941
Close enough, have fun with your old shitpile while i enjoy new technology and excellent fps with max settings.

>>59838982
nice op what case is that

>>59839959
Joke's still on you, I'm working on building a new PC right now.
Although everybody can play the best game (Dominions 4) at excellent FPS and max settings.

You guys seem to hate MSI motherboards is there any reason to that?

>>59840031
Good deal of shitty models. But their actual high end models are fine.

Contrast to ASRock, who doesn't make a single awful board.

>>59839992
Jonsbo VR2.

>>59840057
I see. Thank you

Asus STRIX-RX470-4G-GAMING, RX 470 Gaming, 4GB GDDR5, 256 bit, PCI-E 3.0, 2x DVI-D, HDMI, DisplayPort
or
Ati Asus STRIX-RX470-O8G-GAMING, RX 470 OC, 8GB GDDR5, 256 bit, PCI-E 3.0 x16, 2x DVI, HDMI 2.0, DisplayPort

>>59840074
I am asking because the 8gb is actually cheaper than the 4gb

>>59840094
then get the cheaper one

>>59840094
The 8gb card is probably less overclocked than the 4gb card.
>Gaming
>OC
Sacrificing 4gb of gpu memory isn't worth the 100 mhz of overclocking or whatever the difference is. But that's just my opinion.

>>59840155
8gb on a 470 is a meme anyway
just manualy oc it

>>59840031
MSI and EVGA really should be the only mobos to consider these days. ASUS if you want reddit tier bullshit like RGB and what not.

If you're looking at budget mobos it doesn't matter.

>>59840246

How about asrock? I don't want a 4 sata meme mobo.

>>59840264
?I don't want a 4 sata meme mobo.
You lost me in your gen y slang.

>>59840264
>>59840246
asus>asrock>evga>gigabyte>msi

>>59840288
MSI and EVGA have the best warranties. Generally work the best also far as drivers and ease of OCing goes.

And before you run your dumb mouth about MSI warranty. MSI still takes their products back if you water cool as long as the original heatsink is on it.

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>>59840288
>asus
Sure, if you get the super expensive ones, even then only in certain cases.
Their "midrange" and cheap boards are garbage.

>>59840314
Who gives a shit about the warranty. What you want from a motherboard is build quallity, a good BIOS/UEFI, and good drivers.

>>59840286

MSI b350 for ryzen only have 4 sata and just my meme collection takes ~5 TB

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i know it's kinda unrelated but installed windows 8.1 pro on a kaby lake build and now i keep getting this message window, i cant uninstall the update neither through update manager or CMD, i don't want to go win 10, what do?

>>59840390
So get 2 3TB drives. Dumbass.

>>59840441
manually download the updates.

>>59840378
What the fuck, why is there so much of a difference?

should I get a r5 1600 if I'm not gonna overclock and just going to be gaymin?

>>59840486
Different BIOS, mostly.

Some of the same reasons one reviewer has the 1800X beating the 7700k in 12 games out of 31, while another has the 1800X losing on all of them by 20% on average.
BIOS and various settings account for a lot.
Gigabyte BIOS got extremely fast with the F5 update... but then F6 with the new microcode undid tons of their optimizations and they have to start over.

Most of them will level out. But it's a mess right now.

>>59840566
um no. You should not get the 1600 if you're not going to overclock. It's weak without an OC.
The lower end ones are best to get the most value out of with an OC. The higher end ones are better stock, and can OC slightly better but don't need to so much.

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>>59840601
so I should get ryzen 7 if I'm not going to overclock?

>>59840655
you're retarded

>>59840720
you're rude

>>59840720
you're mean

>>59840720
you're faggot

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Built for photoshop, video editing and voice overs with gaming on the side. Ryzen 1800x, 1080ti, 32GB Corsair Ram. Great running PC so far!

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Looking like the R5 reviews are unanimously positive.

NDA lifted.

But the 1400 is pretty disappointing as I expected. That halved cache hurts. It's still better than the 7400 when overclocked, but not stock even on Linux (Ryzen is generally about 5-10% better on Linux since Windows is ass and compiled for Intel).
1500X looks great for the price for someone that doesn't want to OC.

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>>59840927
>Intel's best gayman CPU drops under 144fps

Also, holy shit. Linus finally started measuring percentile instead of the absolute worst single frame.

Hey guys, if I get the ASRock AB350 Pro4, do I need a wireless adaptor? It says it has on board Ethernet, but I cant figure out if it can also use wifi?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/yBtWGX/asrock-ab350-pro4-atx-am4-motherboard-ab350-pro4

Thanks

I'm looking at building a server for rendering (mainly) on the LGA 1356 socket. I have all the peripherals and storage at home already, so I put together a list of all the stuff I'd need. Anyone have suggestions? Optimizations?

2 8-core LGA 1356 Xeons - 110 (55 x 2), free shipping

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E5-2450L-1-8GHz-SR0LH-20MB-8-0-GT-s-LGA1356-8-Core-Processor-/172531847898?hash=item282bb312da:g:kKkAAOSwopRYaoPY

1 C602 LGA 1356 motherboard - 160, free shipping

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Server-Motherboard-Intel-C602-LGA1356-12x-DDR3-6x-SATA-1x-Mini-SAS-RAID-NEW-/171845277935?hash=item2802c6d8ef:g:2NcAAOSwgQ9VlZ5t

8x4GB DDR3 - 112.80 MAX (6.95 x 8) + (7.15 x 8)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/162466168093?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true

ATX full case - 70$*

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147227&cm_re=ATX_full_case-_-11-147-227-_-Product

EVGA 750 G2 - 100$*

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-Modular-Warranty-220-G2-0750-XR/dp/B00IKDETOW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1491916783&sr=1-1&keywords=750+G2

2 x Coolermaster Hyper T2 - 32$*

https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-T2-Heatpipes/dp/B00K7809O2/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1491916801&sr=1-1&keywords=hyper+T2

Case fans - 15$

https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Sleeve-Computer-Cooling-ROCF-13001/dp/B00KB8CB9O/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1491916611&sr=1-4&keywords=case+fans


Total - 605.98$


*Wait for sale

>>59840720
you're a nigger

>>59840988
>on board Ethernet
As in the plug for LAN.
You need a wifi card with most boards.
Keep in mind you'll need a 5Ghz one if you have higher than 20mbs internet.

>>59841011
nice reddit formatting, fag.

First ever build, planning on using an r5 1600 when they make it onto PCPP. I know I'll be GPU bottlenecked but will it be easy to overclock to 1.2 like the sapphire version? Any other tips or advice would be appreciated

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/3JCFM8
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/3JCFM8/by_merchant/

Motherboard: Asus PRIME B350M-A Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£76.46 @ More Computers)
Memory: Kingston Savage 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£72.16 @ Alza)
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£37.99 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Asus Radeon RX 480 4GB Dual Video Card (£161.92 @ BT Shop)
Case: Thermaltake Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£54.97 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£83.43 @ Alza)
Total: £486.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-11 14:46 BST+0100

>>59841038
??? but i made that in google docs??? sorry about the double spacing

>>59841057
Forgot to say I'll mostly be playing games at 1080p

>>59841057
A GPU bottleneck isn't necessarily bad.
It's generally ideal to make a lopsided build where there is a bottleneck on one end, and you can upgrade that end in a few years instead of needing to upgrade both.
Just as long as you'll get 60fps+, which you mostly will with the RX480 especially if you just turn one or two settings down.

The build looks really good, though. I'd try to fit in at least a 240GB SSD, but obviously that costs more.

Will H212 be enough for 7700K if I'm not gonna overclock?

Will i7-7700(locked) + B250 mb + gtx 1070 be a good choice for the next few years in FullHD games if i'm not into overclocking?

>>59841115
>7700K
>not overclocking

do you really hate money that much?

>>59841115
>Hyper212
Why do people still purchase the 212 when the
CRYORIG H7 exists?

>>59841057
Asus has GPU Tweak II, where you can OC that card to 1320MHz.

>>59841143
Yes

>>59841115
Get a B250 and 7700.

>>59841157
brain deficiencies

>>59841106
Thanks man. I've been obsessing over it for about a week, the budget has increased by about 40% too

>>59841163
If I plan on OCing both gpu and 1600 could I get away with stock cooling or should I wait until i can get some aftermarket stuff to do both

>>59839157
an rx480 and an arctic accelero s3 if you have so much autism that a fucking fan """"bothers"""" you

I'm actually gonna kill myself, I bought an i5 7600k 3 weeks ago bc I didn't believe the AMD shills after ryzen 7 and now I'm seriously regretting it.

>>59839240
>having a 290x
>wanting to upgrade
for what fucking purpose the 290x is still capable of 1440p 60fps

>>59841227
return it

>>59841227
Should still be within the return window.
Worth the restocking fee to not be stuck with that garbage for longer after you have real cost sunk into it.

If I dual e5-2670 it, will I still get a solid 60 FPS on pretty much everything or will the bottleneck be too severe?
Or should I get a X5670 CPU + board for literal dirt cost and just overclock that to the 5.0GHz?

I'm not am Intel shill at all (in fact I'm running a Phenom 965 right now), but if the only intensive task I want to do on my PC is gaming is there any point to getting Ryzen? Every benchmark I've seen looks like a similarly priced Intel chip has it beat when it comes to games.

>>59841266
>>59841274
PC is already built, I believe that voids the warranty at memory express.

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>>59841300
kek. Sell the complete build to some fag that can't build his own. Might actually make money that way.

>>59841290
>the only intensive task I want to do on my PC is gaming is there any point to getting Ryzen
If you have shit running in the background, yeah. It prevents dropping frames when that shit uses up CPU.
If all you do is use your PC as a console, where you turn it on, load up nothing but a game, play it, and turn it off, then no.

>>59839089
get you a 470, slap a arctic cooler on there, have decent airflow, undervolt
problem solved

ASRock Fatal1ty AB350 or Gigabyte GA-AB350-GAMING 3???

PLS HELP

>>59841379
take the fans off the cooler though, forgot that part

>>59841381
Gigabyte GA-AB350-GAMING 3

>>59841381
either are good just get what ever is cheaper

>>59841011
hello? anyone?

what ryzen cpu would be better then the i7 7700k?

>>59841576
depends on work load.

Which Ryzen R5 should i get? Currently leaning towards 1600X and either Asus X370 for 150€ or some B350 mobo.

>>59841649
1600X if you don't want to overclock.
1600 if you do want to overclock and want better value, but not the absolute best performance at a higher price.

1600X is maybe 5-7% better overclock on average for 20% more money and not including a cooler.

>>59841649
Unless you're going for top-notch OC (4GHz+) or SLI/Crossfire support, B350 is the best option to pair with an R5 senpai.

>>59841340
>If you have shit running in the background, yeah. It prevents dropping frames when that shit uses up CPU.

So if I also use my PC to stream Netflix on a second monitor and have something like Discord and YouTube and another dozen Chrome tabs open will R5 kick the shit out of i5?

>>59841748
Absolutely.

Anyone with two monitors would be retarded to get the 7600k over the 1600X.

>>59839089
The most powerful passive card with an AMD chip would be a RX 460

>>59839201
>RX570 should be capable of passive cooling
No it won't, don't lie on the internet anon. The TDP is still around 140W, just with slightly increased clock speed.

>>59841801
Nice try shill. AMD + AMD =/ Amazing
AMD+AMD=Decent CPU with housefire GPU
1070 and better

>1500x is the best perf/burgers with higher clock
>1500x sometime on par with 1600x in gaming
>1600 beat 1500x in all cores performances but lower single clock core against 1600x and 1500x
>4 cores vs 6 cores.

Help!

>>59841801
>No it won't, don't lie on the internet anon. The TDP is still around 140W, just with slightly increased clock speed.
Look at the XFX GTR. It's golden silicon 14nm FinFET Polaris.
It's about 90% the perf/watt of the 1060 compared to the 75% or so of others.

RX500 appears to be either a new or refined process that looks more similar to the XFR GTR's golden binned GPUs they use.
That's how they're higher clocked at the same TDP.
Which means you can underclock to still outperform the 1050Ti and be of similar power consumption.

This should be obvious to anyone that played with overclocks and underclocks. GPUs are clocked higher than what is the highest perf/watt to get more power from the same die. Gamers don't care terribly about wattage as long as it's not a 480watt housefire.

A bigger die at lower clocks is going to make up for any inefficiencies compared to a smaller die at higher clocks.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fqRY7h
AMD is grabage if your monitor can handle over 100 Hz, but for me, its just fine. I wish Intel had a 6-core CPU, but I'm tired of Waiting™
>>59841845
Wrong. Of all of Ryzen so far, the 1600X is the best price/perf

>>59841217
Anyone?

>>59841831
If you're going to shit post at least reply to the correct post.

Now get out

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bhjBJV

thoughts?
i already have an ssd so i should be good in that area

>>59841875
>no fan included
>Will not even bother to OC.
At least with 1500x I can use the money from 1600 to buy a decent fan.

>>59841845
Just get the 1600 and overclock it, most Ryzens hit the max out at the same clockspeed anyway.

Hey, so are any of the be quiet! coolers compatible with Ryzen? Partpicker is telling me they are not.

If yes, do you think a Pure Rock 150W TDP would be enough to hand a 4.0 OC on 1600X?

>>59841748
Absolutely. Unless the absolutely only thing you do on your PC is single-tasking gaming, the R5 kicks the i5 ass. But in any case...

>2017
>buying a soon-to-be-deprecated 4c/4t CPU for more than 200 bucks

It's like you want to be stuck on a dead-end upgrade-wise (a socket a year yadda yadda) with your only option later down the road being a slightly less deprecated half-fried second hand 4c/8t CPU at a ridiculous price.

Intel has survived these last years just throwing MOAR NIGGAHURTZ at the problem (with increasing temperatures and lower OC headroom) ignoring the fact that that approach will soon hit a wall due to the laws of physics while AMD decided to go back to the drawing board and create a more modern, easily escalable solution

>>59841217
The stock cooler should be good for like 1.3v-1.325v if I were to guess.
What overclock you get at that voltage is up to your luck. 3.7-3.85ghz probably.

As for the GPU, idk man I really like aftermarket GPU coolers. The stock ones are garbage for 99 out of 100 GPUs.

I don't know why people have this autism over how they'll replace a stock CPU cooler fine, but are scared to replace the GPU one.
It usually voids warranty.. but you just put the old one back on if you have to warranty it.

>>59841920
http://www.bequiet.com/en/am4

>>59841916

I'm dumb when it time for OC.
I heard with intel CPU if you OC it, your watt will stay at idle at said OC speed.
Unlike when it stock clock, the watt will go down when it idle and raise only when it needed at certain speed.

Does this also happen if I OC the Ryzen?

>>59841926
>http://www.bequiet.com/en/am4

Thank you, friend. No idea how I missed that. Too bad Pure Rock isn't supported, Shadow Rock 2 is solid yeah?

What the fuck is wrong with RX 480 pricing? Maybe it's just a Canada thing, but prices are up around 50 canuck bucks compared to a couple weeks ago. I thought 480 prices were supposed to start dropping with 580 coming out??

>>59841899
I think you're the retard. It is the correct post, stupid AyyMDrone

in my county the R5 1500X and the i5 7500 have the same price
the same goes for the R5 1600 and the i5 7600

the 1600 and the 7600 are ~$50 more expensive than the 1500x and the 7500

which one should i get for gaming?

why do people buy Founder's Edition/Blower versions of graphics cards for a Tower Case?

>>59842013

480 start gaining performance over the 1060.
Just wait for the 580.

>>59841576

All of them

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>>59842013
It's the same in America.
Apparently demand spiked due to the sales and people buying them since tests are showing that AMD GPUs are far better with Ryzen than Nvidia ones 90%+ of the time.
And people are seeing how much driver updates improved it over the 1060.
They're about $30 more here again as well than they were a week or two ago.

Tons of the gimped Ryzen benchmarks we've been seeing like with an Nvidia GPU in DX12 in Rise of the Tomb Raider were due to an issue with using an Nvidia GPU, but when using an AMD GPU it matches/beats Intel most of the time even if you put down settings enough to not be so GPU bottlenecked.

After the R5 benchmarks, should I get an R5 1500X or should I wait until the 1400 benchmarks come out? Or should I just get an i5?

>>59842080

>AMD/AMD is now a thing

is this real life?

>>59842114
The i5-7600 and 7500 look like much better performers than either of the R5s. AyyMD fucked up again. Go figure.

Budget build for a friend, 900$ USD budget
Ignore the ryzen 7, it's a placeholder in the build for an r5 1600
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gdjGD8
He's looking to do web surfing and video watching, also modern games, at 1080p.
He has no peripherals.

>>59842080
So we finally have solid value CPU's but the prices of other components have risen to compensate. God damn it. I knew RAM would go crazy but I am blindsided by the 480.

>>59842123
What about the better cooler though? Is that not worth it?

>>59841926
Thanks for the advice. I'll have a look at overclocking the GPU first and see if I have to replace the cooler when I get paid next

>>59842115
i wouldnt trust any pictures people post here.

but from Gamers Nexus, if you plan to play video games the R7s are a waste of money. those are good for productivity.

You would be better off getting an i7 7700k or an R6

>>59841939

Please respond.

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>>59842127
Anon...

>>59842130
Wraith coolers are shit. They perform worse than the Hyper 212 with all versions of Ryzen and are consistently louder than the Hyper 212.
Grab the i5-7600 and a Hyper 212 and you'll never have to worry about noise or shit performance again.

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>>59842145
>an R6

Too much noise for my room.

>>59842145
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO20mmQjY40

meant 1600 instead of R6.... their naming..

>>59839131
RX480 8gb

>>59842161
>4c/4t
>not worry about performance again
Intel shill please gtfo

>>59842161
The 7600 ($240) plus a $30 cooler, plus a Z-series mobo ($150-$200) comes out to around $500, whereas a Ryzen is just about $300 though.

Hi, I was looking to build a new computer for programming (and some VM) at somewhere of a $500-$600 budget with Define Mini C case and no GPU. Someone told me to wait for ryzen 5 before making my decision.

I was considering somewhere around i5-7600k (which landed me slightly over budget with only 16Gb ram) which seems to be at the same price point as a 1600X. 1600 saves me a few dollars. Any advice?

>>59842130
Don't bother with the Wraith cooler. If you want a decent aftermarket cooler either pick up a Hyper 212 or Cryorig H7.

>>59841683
>>59841690
I don't plan on top notch OC since i'm going with an air cooler anyways (although no idea which one, probably NH-U14S or something cheaper) and CFX is not an option.
So yeah.. probably B350, any ideas which one? MSI Tomahawk and Asus Prime B350 Plus look reasonable to me.
>1600X if you don't want to overclock.
>1600 if you do want to overclock and want better value, but not the absolute best performance at a higher price.
I won't OC from the start but i do want to OC later on, that's 100% sure.
The 1600 costs 249€ and the 1600X 279€, that's a 30€ difference. I think i will buy a custom cooler anyways because i am going for a silent build and want the option to OC, which i doubt the AMD cooler is fit for... so... what do you think?

>>59842229
It really comes down to the stock intel or AMD cooler though and most people say the intel one is shit

>>59842209
But the Ryzen performs a $200 less than the i5 does, you fucking shill.
>Z-series ($150-$200)
Just grab an H110 or B250 motherboard for $40-60, you fucking braindead AyyMD shill.

>>59842242
That's because Intel isn't a housefire, so it doesn't need a massive heatsink like AyyMD does

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>>59842130
He's just shilling.

This one has a variety of tests with a reasonable methodology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NCHhn0xEmo

BIOS updates should account for some significant improvements still. They were improving a lot, but then motherboard manufacturers had to start over on a lot with the last microcode update, so some performance was lost in the short term.

... and Mafia III updated last week, and Nvidia driver update, which made the 1800X go from beating the 7700k by 10% in Mafia III on the min frames to losing by 15%.
Shit is screwy as hell.

One thing is for certain: You really want to pair Ryzen with an AMD GPU. That gives better results over 90% of the time.

>>59842236
Tomahawk has some of the most problems of the B350 ones.
Prime B350, Gigabyte Gaming 3, MSI Mortar, ASRock Pro 4, and a number of others are all fine. 90% of them are all good, just check reviews, and it otherwise comes down to the features you want.

>>59842262
perf/watt of Ryzen is better, bud.

>>59842236
If you're dead set on an aftermarket cooler then yeah, go for the 1600X. You'll still be able to OC later down the road.

>>59842271
>perf/watt of Ryzen is better, bud.
Nope. Intel i3-7320 perform as well as the Ryzen R5 1400, but with much less power consumption and heat output.
A dual core CPU is beating a quad-core with SMT in multithreading. Half the threads, same performance. Mindboggling.
Face it, Ryzen is underperforming compared to AyyMD's marketing spin and Intel is still the best and only choice for serious consumers.

>>59842249
>getting a mobo that can't OC with a cpu that can
who is the shill exactly?
>>59842262
>intel isn't a housefire
7700k's literally burnt down houses though.

>>59842299
>being a corelet
>ONLY GAYMEN MATTERS
pls go back to /v/ and never come back

>>59842031
>>59842031
>>59842031
someone, anyone
please answer

>>59842299
>i3-7320

Jesus fuck, at least said the 4560 instead of the intel abortion line up.

>>59842309
i5-7500 and 7600 aren't unlocked, so...
Also
>4.0GHz six-core with SMT can't even compete with a 3.6GHz four coure without SMT
TOP KEK

>>59842312
The i3-7320 beats the R5 1400X in multi-threaded applications besides gaming. There really is no reason to consider the Ryzen R5 over the vastly superior and powerful i3 and i5s.

>>59842327
Get the 1600 if you can for extra cores

>>59842329
>no AVX2.0
Yeah, no
Pentium is good for budget gaymers, but the Core i3s are much better for virtualization and servers. Ryzen doesn't support AVX2.0 either, so it's also shit for wrokstations and servers.
Intel always wins.

>>59842361
>dual cores for virtualizing and servers
Are you really that retarded?

>>59842361
It does support AVX2. It runs it at half speed. Which when you have twice the cores and threads evens out.
Dumbass.

>>59842337
>what is optimization
>what is value
get out, intel jew

>>59842361

You already a budget gamer if you ever thinking getting an i3 in 2017, either go bentium G or i7.
i3 is a fucking abortion.

>>59842370
My XenServer runs on a Core i3-6300T and I haven't had a single issue with CPU wait times.
>>59842372
Nope. Ryzen flat out doesn't support it.

>>59842374
>i3 is a fucking abortion.
You mean it's the best fucking CPU ever made for high-core frequency, low power envelope applications?

What is best MicroATX motherboard for 1600X? Pcpartspicker doesnt have lots of review

>>59842406
>Pcpartspicker doesnt have lots of review
Because AM4 motherboards are all shit and no one buys them because they're shit.

>>59842406
Any that aren't 3 stars on newegg.

>>59842420
Must be why they're mostly sold out still.

>>59842403

No, its the shittiest two core CPU with the price of i5.
Meanwhile Pentium G is literally i3 now with the price of Pentium.

I know you just baiting, but retards will take your comment seriously because of shit like this.
No one in their right mind should buy an i3 in 2017, get an i5 if you actually allergic to AMD R5.

>>59842425
It's easy to sell out your inventory when you can't even make more than 500 boards to sell because AyyMD fucked up their chipset production causing delays globally.

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>>59838982
I've got an fx6300 and a r7 370 but I don't know what I want to upgrade first. I want to know what worthwhile options I've got for $100-$200, and $200-$300 for both the CPU or CPU/mobo and the GPU. I'm an engineering student so I would like for this machine to run CAD programs, such as AutoCAD or Solidworks. I'd like it to be able to run matlab well too, though I don't know if I'll be using it for sure, so it's not really a priority.

>>59842406
ASUS Prime B350M and the MSI Mortar are the most commonly mentioned models around, also the ones more readily available in Euroland. Check what features you need and go for either one, I settled for the MSI due to the 4 PWM 4-pin fan connectors, but the ASUS one was a good option as well apparently due to the VRM quality.

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>>59842403
>Nope. Ryzen flat out doesn't support it.
Yes it does, you dumb faggot.

Now fuck off and go kill yourself.

>>59842463

Either way, your CPU or GPU will bottleneck each other if you upgrade them to a better version of it.

>>59842271
>271W 1600X OC

Does this mean a good 750W PSU is going to be needed to handle this monster? 650W is cutting it quite close with a beefy GPU. That could add on another $20 to the price of the 1600X.

>>59842487
I guessed that would happen, but I'd still like to get a performance increase for whichever one is worse.

>>59842463
In that case go CPU first. Matlab does support multithreading but not well, in your case single thread matters more, with that budget I would look at used i5 K series or possibly some used xeon on an H series even over ryzen
Unless I'm fully mistaken here over Matlab. That said the r5 will destroy in cad

wtf is ram prices? 32Gb is $200?

>>59842496
That was the whole system wattage I think. Some other reviews doing a full load test (GPU included) didn't go beyond 450W or so. Remember these parts actually have a lower TDP than intel (95W vs. 140W)

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>>59842525
fuck you need 32gb for

>>59842508
Where could I go to find used hardware?
Also, is there not a decent AM3+ upgrade I can do for my CPU so I don't have to replace my motherboard too?
And just to confirm, you're saying that the r7 will give me good performance in CAD?

>>59842496
>>59842540

Only 275 in whole system?
What GPU?

>>59842271
>Tomahawk has some of the most problems of the B350 ones.
Well.. didn't know that, i assumed it's good since it has a loot of good reviews on Mindfactory and is one of the most purchased AM4 mobos.

>>59842286
I will search for a Ryzen cooler reviews, maybe it's silent and cool enough for me, then i suppose i'll go with the 1600, otherwise 1600X.

Thanks so far, any help is always appreciated. I'll post my full build later the day.

lmao why dont they pair up the ryzen with an amd gpu on the benchmarks?

Workstation for mechanical engineering, CAD and CFD.
Not sure about few things, mainly 21:9 display and GPU (no Quadros P3000, P4000 yet on pcpartpicker).
Budget around 2000$ (currently at 2200$).
Plz r8: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LYqPNN

>>59842554
if by r7 you mean r5-1600(x) yes it will be great. the r7-1700 etc would be even better
used hardware is best to check local stores, but that usually isnt an option so craigslist and ebay are usually my go to. only decent upgrade would be something like a 8370, 8320, 8350, etc. those are fairly cheap these days, especially used, but you might not be able to overclock depending on your motherboard, what board is it?

>all these 1600x and 1500x and none of 1600 reviews

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>59842566
The Tomahawk is good when it works.
Many people are getting a problem where it takes 20+ seconds just to POST.

>>59842591

This. These guys fucking retards, the 1600 is by far the best deal among the R5.

>>59842540
>>59842555

My bad, you're right that's total system. It wasn't marked on the chart, had to listen again. R5 all the way.

>No wonder AMD didn't release 1600X alongside the R7. It would decimate the sales. A monster CPU for that amount of money.

kek.

>>59842591
>>59842607
Can't you watch a 1600X review and take it as a 1600 OC review?

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($249.00 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($88.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (1 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($119.89 @ OutletPC)
Case: Fractal Design Define Mini C MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair CSM 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Corsair)
Total: $687.35

How does this look? Was hoping to fit into $600 budget.

>>59842637

The OC 1500x sometime came out higher than stock 1600x/1600 in single core performance and some shitty threaded games.
You also became a 4 corelet user.

>>59842573
>ultrawide
just go with a 4k and get some more vertical space. check out the lg 27UD58-B
why quadro/fire pro? correct me if im rong but dont normal consumer cards work fine for cad? i know things like solidworks need quadro, but i thought cad was fine for just plain old cuda or whatever
also you might be able to save some on the keyboard by looking at the cm storm quickfire, also maybe check with /csg/, they usually know where to find mech keyboards for around 40-50 bucks

>>59842648
Is that intended for server, or do you already have a GPU?

>>59842648

Get a 1600 on stock cooler and use the money to get a non-gay mobo.

>>59842567
During the R7 launch because they just didn't know better, so it was understandable. Now weeks after knowing some particular combinations (DX12 + Nvidia + Ryzen) give abnormally low results for AMD, the fact that some websites are still clinging to them means they're most likely intel shills.

>>59842603
I read the latest BIOS updated (from yesterday I think) fixes that issue.

>>59842648
>Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($88.49
>$88
>All Ryzen R7 and R5 line price is the cheapest in my country with no VAT, tax or shipment compare to other world
>All AM4 mobo price is doubled in my country.

That same mobo is priced over $160 in my country.
Fuck these vendors.

>>59842648
mobo has questionable power phase
psu is too expensive for what it is
you need a gpu
go with 8gb of ram for now, you can always add more later easily
drop the cpu cooler for now and just use the stock cooler. upgrade later
that should fit you in budget

>>59842648
Remember that you need a GPU, as Ryzen doesn't have iGPU. Also, with such a good cooler you might consider dropping to a 1600 and just OC it to 1600X levels.

>>59842665
>lg 27UD58-B
Looks great

>quadro/fire pro (Radeon WX) for cad
I am using specifically Solid Works and Catia. I can only find mobile gpu comparisons (Quadro vs GFX) but for those 2 specific programs it seems money well spend towards a Quadro / Radeon WX card.

> cm storm quickfire or /csg/
Will look into it, thanks sempai

>>59842720
>>59842666
>>59842648

Just get a used $10 Nvidia 210 from ebay and he good to go.

>>59842738
np. for solid works it actually is worth it to get a quadro, sadly you'll have to pay the quadro price. Maybe look into some comparisons of the firepro to see, i know quadro is king there but fire pro might give you something like 80% the performance for 50% the cost, good luck anon

>>59842590
Ah, okay anon. I was confused by amd's shitty branding, but thank you for the help!

>>59842666
>>59842720
I have an old GPU lying around. Not doing much gaming. Mostly virtual machines, file server, programming and standard desktop use.
>>59842667
>>59842704
Was considering dropping to 1600. I was hoping to get the 1600X to ~4.0Ghz which is where my old machine used to sit.

I'll take another look at motherboards and PSU
>>59842700
:(
Are there no services that buy stuff for you in US and ship out?

>>59842704
Wat? Doesn't the B350 Prime have 10 phase VRMs?

>>59842835
>I was hoping to get the 1600X to ~4.0Ghz which is where my old machine used to sit.
If the IPC for the old CPU was lower, that's irrelevant.

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dumb idiot ebay seller sent my parts preassembled in a bit of bubble wrap and fucking styrofoam

can I bend the cooler back (after dismantling it) without damaging everything?

>>59842573
>Hitachi Ultrastar 7K3000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive

Isn't Hitachi slow as shit? Did they finally get better?
Also how good is ADATA? specially the cheap one compare to other brand?

>>59842835
> ship out
4 weeks shipment, 1 week at the dock..
60% government tax for buying electronic equipment.
Also shipping price.

This is why I don't understand how Ryzen literally priced the same with US burgers with no tax.
We don't even manufacture them in my country.
A $219 R6 1600 is literally $219 in here.

>>59842874
can't you send it back

>>59842573
>>59842665
>>59842738
>>59842793

Quick update: getting closer to 2000$

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rjQc7h
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rjQc7h/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($318.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock X370 KILLER SLI/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard ($148.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8000 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($224.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 7K3000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: AMD Radeon Pro WX 5100 8GB Video Card ($364.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($104.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($88.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($418.75 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm QuickFire XT Wired Slim Keyboard ($71.08 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech M500 Wired Laser Mouse ($24.90 @ Jet)
Total: $2076.43

The Quadro P2000 4GB beats the Radeon WX 5100 8GB in SolidWorks. Not sure if edging on 8GB VRAM or in better SolidWerks performance.
Source: http://aecmag.com/technology-mainmenu-35/1258-review-nvidia-quadro-p2000-and-quadro-p4000-for-cad-viz-vr

>>59842868
It was a machine with an i7 (4770K, I think) from two generations ago that a friend had loaned to me while he was overseas.

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>>59842908
I'd rather keep it, shipping already took two weeks

>>59842874
Honestly, I'd just file a dispute to eBay for receiving damaged goods. There's a good chance you can get all your money back, then buy a new cooler with it.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119

Seasonic semimodular gold 550RM on sale for $50.

How much of a perfomance bump would I get going from an FX6300 to an 8350?

>>59842884
On Hitachi I am just relying on blackblaze HDD failure rates:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-failure-rates-q3-2016/
It is the 64MB cache version, I hope it is not that slow.
>ADATA
It seems pretty decent, just a bit cheaper than a 960 Evo.
Review: http://www.storagereview.com/adata_xpg_sx8000_pcie_m2_ssd_review

>>59842982
Not enough to be worth it.
Like 33% at best. Duh?

>>59842986

Hitachi is very durable.
I got 20 each of Hitachi. Samsung and Seagate in 2007 for almost 5 years.
Samsung failure rate is abysmal, Seagate is less prompt to failure but still happen, while none of my Hitachi died.
But if i tried to clone the drives, Hitachi is almost 4 times slower than the other.
That's why I'm wondering how good they are these days, they also dirt cheap.

>>59842915

Two suggestions —

Don't go with an Ultrastar HDD. Those things are nightmarish. I strongly recommend https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CbL7YJ/seagate-barracuda-2tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st2000dm006

Why a 60Hz monitor instead of a 144Hz monitor? If you intend to do any gaming with that rig, you will really appreciate the smoothness of 144Hz. If you've never seen a 144Hz in person, try to find a store that has one on display and allows you to play some current AAA title on it. I assure you, you will be enormously impressed.

is the ryzen 1400 a good cpu for a midrange pc or should I rather opt for the 1500x?

Can i get some feedback?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pd2WCy

Are there manufacturers you should avoid when buying a gpu?

I am currently looking at the rx 480 and the two cheapest offers here in [censored] caliphate are from powercolor and asus.

https://geizhals.de/powercolor-radeon-rx-480-red-dragon-single-fan-axrx-480-4gbd5-3dhdv2-a1535966.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

https://geizhals.de/asus-dual-radeon-rx-480-oc-90yv09i0-m0na00-a1494469.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

>>59843133
Why do you have two CPU coolers?
What kind of fucking ssd is that?

What's the purpose of this build anon?

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>>59843133

>TWO COOLERS

>>59843119
1400 seems pretty ass desu, with its tiny cache and worser overclocks. But if you get one of those $150 deals going on for it, and really can't spend the $40 more for a 1500X or $70 more for a 1600.

Really seems like the 1400 should have just binned down cheaper as R3 CPUs without sMT but with the same clocks as the 1500X. That'd have made more sense.

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>>59843133
>>59843213
2 C O O L

>>59843186
Never buy an asus AMD card, they use their nvidia coolers on them and the result is awful temps.

I've never had a powercolor, but budget brand graphics are usually bad so id stay away from them. Just get a Sapphire or MSI.

>>59843187
>>59843213
>2 coolers
One for my cpu one for my gpu. Gpu doesnt get much of a performance boost but in my opinion it looks a lot cleaner
>what ssd is that
Thats just some cheap m2 for boot drive and one or two applications. Ive always had great experiences with crucial
>what will this be used for
Shitposting on this peruvian juggling forum and a few games

>>59843243
1500x costs 209 euros here in germoney and the 1400 189. So the 20 Euros more for the 1500x are worth it? The prices will hopefully go down a bit in the next few months.


>>59843278
what about other brands like xfx?

>>59843310
XFX is a budget brand too but from what i hear they're one of the better ones. If you really can't afford a Sapphire or MSI card just get an XFX one.

>>59843296
If it's just for that I really don't think you need so much shit. That CPU and GPU are way too much for 'a few games', unless you're playing them all at 4k. Imo 4k is just a waste of money right now, but you do you

>>59843344
the price of the rx480 will drop when amd releases the rx500 series I guess. I can still wait. I'm just curious to see what I have to look out in the future.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ryny7h

How good would this be, /g/? Need to replace my i5 4460 and dying mobo.

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>>59842915
>418$ for 60hz

nigga what
I paid 200€ for my Acer XF240H and that's 144hz

>>59843310
Sapphire is top tier if you're buying an AMD card

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I'm looking for a graphics card that I can use in a Dell optiplex 990 (i5 2nd gen, 4gb ram) that doesn't require external power.


The most intensive game It will be playing is Warframe. This PC will be in the living room for the gf.

$150 budget

>>59843417
GTX 1050ti

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>only supports 65 watt Ryzen CPUs

wtf I just wanted a 1600 with a white mATX mobo. Do I go for the 1500/X or go ATX now?

>>59843417
rx470

>>59843446
>considering 1050ti for non-pentium G variant.

>>59843375
Thanks for the advice but its pretty small price difference and ill be future proofed for a while. But ya id like my games to look good and run as smooth as possible

>>59843405
I've heard people complaining about problems with RMA ever since they outsourced it to some shitty third party. I'll likely grab an MSI card next.

>>59843488
pro tip, future proofing doesn't really exist with hardware

>>59843417
here you go f.am

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137079&cm_re=low_profile_video_card_pci_express_x16-_-14-137-079-_-Product

>>59843450
1600 is a 65W CPU. It's the 1600x that requires 95W.

>>59843541
Oh you're right. I swear I looked at a chart that had everything 1600 and above as 95 watts. Thanks

>>59843541
>>59843579
Though it says the Wraith Spire Cooler is 95 watts. Does that matter?

Is it good idea to buy case and psu first and then buy rest? I'm thinking about getting Corsair 200r and Seasonic M12II 520w or 620w now and buying other parts in may. I'd probably get R5 1500X or 1600 and GPU which can handle 1080@60.

>>59843601
No, it just means that the CPU should run cooler.

>>59843609
If you're buying them on sale, sure. Otherwise there isn't much point not just getting everything at once, but it isn't like cases and PSUs will suddenly become cheaper or better, so it doesn't really matter.

So I have most of the main parts down, but I still need a monitor.
I have an old BenQ G2200W (22") monitor I'd like to use as a secondary screen, could anyone recommend a nice match?

Since the 1500X has shown to flop, should I just get a 1400 for a sub-$200 Ryzen 5 cpu?

>>59843402
That MSI gaming pro board is trash.
3 phase VRMs.
Don't use it for a CPU that's over 65w TDP and don't overclock on it. (unclocking is okay)

>>59843609
Sure. You can usually get stuff cheaper by buying things as you see sales like the OP says.

>>59843684
1500X results seemed okay to me for its price. The 1400 is the one that seems like a flop, imo.

>>59843344
>>59843405
Uhh XFR GTR is hands down the best RX480. Nothing else comes close. It's more than 5% better than the next best ones where a bunch of other cards all lie.

>>59843450
The ASRock AB350M Pro 4 is white and black. But they're always out of stock since 2good.

>>59843700
>The ASRock AB350M Pro 4 is white and black. But they're always out of stock since 2good.

That's basically the ATX version of that board but I was looking for mATX. Though I would get that one if I had to settle for ATX but it seems I'll be okay. Only $70 bucks too

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nzrR6X
Did I overspend somewhere?

>>59843528
Yes im sure my 8gb 1080 will be obsolete the same time as a 4gb 1050

>>59843752
M in AB350M = mATX.

I have a i5 6500, will getting a ryzen 1500x be a worthwhile upgrade?

>>59843763
How would we know? We dont know whatbyour budget is or what youll use this for

>>59843806
Oh okay there's another one. It wasn't on newegg but I see it on pcpartpicker. Though it doesn't look like it's in stock anywhere if it's even out.

>>59843850
>downgrading
kek no

>>59843882
From what i've been hearing about the ryzen 1500x, it sounds like an upgrade to me.

>>59843763
I would downsize the power supply to maybe 600W and put the savings towards a 250GB SSD and/or a better case

>>59838982
>Save money with mATX case/mobo, and if patient by purchasing your parts individually in flash sales

this is actually really good advice and should be paired with a link to a price checking website like https://pricespy.co.uk/ that notifies you when prices go down or sales happen. I saved 50€ on my monitor and 70€ on my gpu by monitoring their price over two weeks

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>>59843899
It's not. It is SO not

>>59843899

1500x is a freaking 4 cores. >>59843874

>>59843850
Not really. If you want to upgrade to ryzen, get at least the 1600.

Just ordered the R7 1700, anyone can recommend a good motherboard?

>>59843938
>intel shill using rise of the tomb raider benchmarks
Please spare me your idiocy.

>>59843850
It wouldn't be a big upgrade for the cost of getting a new motherboard as well.
You'd be better off getting a locked 6700, or 7700 if you can update your BIOS to support delidlake.

Or just wait for Zen2 which should perform significantly better, as I'd imagine that 6500 would hold you over unless you're doing lots of multitasking, compiling, rendering, etc.

>>59843958
I really agree with this.
I don't care about getting 5 more fps. What I want is CPU overhead to spare for other applications instead of it hitching when something else besides the game tries to use CPU.
In the cases where the 1600X is getting worse FPS than the 7600k, it's purely because it's only being utilized like 70%.

>>59843985
>can recommend a good motherboard
Insufficient query.

>>59843938
>cherry picking

>>59843958
>>59843980
i guess ill get a 1600x.Thanks.

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>>59843999
>>59844009
Okay then, how's this

>>59844043
>>59843938

While people like you only posting single images instead of linking the actual damn site?

>>59844043
Ryzen will get optimized and an 8 fps difference isn't that much desu

>>59844114
I'd rather let the results speak for themselves over having people drudge through paragraphs of apologetic bullshit excuses paid for by AMD.

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>>59844043
>102fps 0.1% low and 117fps 1% low for the 1600X @ 4.08Ghz
>100fps 0.1% low and 111fps 1% low for the 7600k @ 4.7Ghz
Looks great. Higher minimum FPS than the 4.7Ghz overclocked 7600k!

Were you trying to prove another point, while being too ignorant to read the results yourself?
It's so cute when you shills post images that make the exact opposite point that you were ignorantly trying to make.

>>59844138
>amd pays people to shill ryzen
>but it is the smaller company compaired to Intel
Huh...really makes you think....

>>59844138

That doesn't even make sense, if you want to humiliate Ryzen just show everything from said site.
You just showing how lazy you are.

Trolling use to be a art.

>>59844143
Wheres the 7700k?

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Did i miss anything?

>>59844229
In the computer that costs $200+ more.

>>59844229
$100 more expensive and not belonging in a comparison of $190-$250 CPUs?

I imagine it'd win there with utilization a bit lower than the 1500X, though. Pretty easy to infer. The 1800X's CPU utilization would obviously shame it if you want to forget about price.

>>59844286
You really don't need over 650watt max even with a 1080Ti and 1800X. They're both quite power efficient parts.

And why the fuck would you get that board instead of the Taichi, Aorus, etc?
And why not get a 480GB+ SSD with that budget?

>>59844320
>Aorus
Are they that much better than MSI?
I personally have a lot of bad experiences with ASRock

>>59844286
Yeah, a decent processor+motherboard
Ditch the deadweight housefires then grab the 7700K and Z270 motherboard

>>59844366
>7700K and Z270 motherboard
>7700K

lel

>>59844297
Its only 70$ more tho. Not a huge price jump at all especially compared to the performance boost