/pcbg/ - PC Building General - RX500 Will Be a Stupid Refresh Edition

>>59815556
Who should i buy a 1070 from? EVGA or Gigabyte?
>including thermals, customer service, etc.

I bought a cheeky meme g4560 rig for my first ever build.

How should I into wifi on a b250 mATX mobo? Is USB wifi adequate?

>>59815638
Unless you have optic fiber high-speed and low latency internet, get a usb card, if you want performance, buy a dedicated pci wifi card

>>59815638
>>59815672
Hope you have a free pci slot

>>59815606
never had a problem with EVGA personally, although I've found that their bigass 3-fan coolers are a bit louder than Gigabyte's at full tilt

>>59815606
Gigabyte Xtreme has pretty awesome cooling so go for it.

>>59815638
USB wifi? What in the hell is that? I think you should either get a pcie dedicated wifi card or a motherboard that has onboard wifi
>>59815741
Noise is no bother to me. The only problem im concerned are thermals, if it even works in the first place, and that if i have to RMA it, i dont have to be worried about not getting a reply.

Which B250 mobo should I get, Asus Strix or Asrock Fatality?

Whats the best monitor for under or around 120$?
Will use it to play AAA games on a budget pc.

>>59815638
>wifi in the current year
Powerline.

>>59815781
For intel, never go Assrock. The strix is a breddy gud lineup.

>>59815771
never had a reason to RMA an EVGA card so I can't really help you there, but I can tell you that the cooling works pretty well
my 970 stays at about 50C with ~70% fan speed in TW3
definitely the loudest component in my rig, but I don't really care that much either, it's under my desk and my speakers easily drown it out

Think mITX will be a bust for ryzen? I'm thinking it might be smarter to go for mATX at the moment.

Though the only case that really stands out to me is the TJ08-E, which is pretty compact as far as mATX goes

>>59815808
>never go Assrock
Why?

>>59815788
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0098Y77OG/ref=twister_B00OVTKU92?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

>>59815865
> I can't decide for a good mini-ATX MoBo to pair with my 1070 Strix

>>59815606
EVGA skimped on thermal pads for the VRMs on their 1070s and 1080s, causing some serious issues. Supposedly they fixed it with their new cooler and they tried to remedy it by offering to send free thermal pads to customers, but I'd still avoid them this generation. Fuck them for even making that mistake.

>>59815840
mITX is a meme unless you need ultra portability, and even then, how fucking portable is a PC anyway? MicroATX is where the value is at and that has been true for years.

>>59815865
There is no such thing as mini-ATX. There's Mini-ITX and Micro-ATX, so your question is confusing.

http://www.raijintek.com/en/products_detail.php?ProductID=26

This is a fairly nice looking case, anyone use one?

So apparently I've been putting thermal paste on wrong this whole time. What's the /g/ approved way of doing it? Big drop in the middle and push the cooler down on it?

I saw some videos where they cleaned the top of the processor off with some isopropyl alcohol and a microfiber cloth. Is that more for when you're removing old paste and putting some new stuff on, or is that a good idea even for NIB processors?

>Advice goes from "Wait for R5s!" to "LOL ERRYTHING BUT R7 IS SHIT"
Well, that was a wasted couple of weeks. Should have just pulled the trigger on the intel build I'd been planning and called it good.

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r8

Anyone know of any top mounted PSU full ATX cases?

>>59816340
Have you checked back in the 1990s mate? I'm sure you'll find plenty there.

>>59816333
>Memer 212 Evo
Don't do it. If you want a cheap aftermarket cooler for the locked i7 get a Cryorig M9i. Better than the Evo in literally every way and the same price.

>>59816319
Whoever said R5's are shit is a fucking retard. From a value standpoint, the 6c/12t Ryzen is going to be a fucking home run.

Opinions?
https://www.topachat.com/pages/configomatic.php?c=AdPvBudNRgZLRqqXlf6QWAG6Dc7HiAmj8E0Y%2FSSoKjI%3D

It's 1700 eurobongs after reduction.
Not sure which 1080 I should get and I still vacillate between the 7700k and a 1700 desu.
Pls send help.

>>59816389
>Cryorig M9i
No available for me. Why not H212 though? Anything wrong with it?

Has anyone done and overclock test with r7 1700 and different coolers? how big is the gap between air and water if any?

>>59816393
The OP post was clearly written by a paste sniffer
>Don't buy anything between a Pentium and an i7 xD
>Recommending the 1060 over the 480 in 2017

>>59816319
It honestly is. The idea of a 6-core, 12-thread CPU at $249 is absolutely amazing, but with the way AMD have been executing it, Ryzen 5, and Ryzen as a whole, will be shit. It has lower IPC even though same TDP and less cores, and has same RAM problem. You'd be better off buying a 1700.
>>59816333
Nice GET. Your build is a big meme. Instead of Hyper 212 Evo, get the Cryorig C7. It has better thermals. Instead of a corsair PSU, get a Seasonic one. Instead of BeQuiet fans, get Corsair fans and just use their low noise adapter. Instead of Samsung SSD, get a Sandisk 120 GB SSD and then get a large hard drive. Your assrock motherboard is ass. Consider one from gigabyte or asus. If you can afford a 3200MHz RAM kit, you will se noticeable differences.

>>59816424
an* why the fuck do I keep adding a d accidentally.

>>59816434
(You)

>>59816393
See the first part of my post >>59816434

>>59816393
>>59816319
All these retards keeps changing their opinions every day. I stopped listening to them and I'm now living a much more fulfilling life

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>>59816434
What's wrong with Asrock?

i don't know if I should spend 1,200 on this build. That seems like a lot of money

>>59816416
>Instead of Samsung SSD, get a Sandisk 120 GB SSD and then get a large hard drive.
Yeah man, that's some muy bueno advice. The one thing I always hear people who've just built a gaming rig saying is "I sure wish I'd got a smaller, slower SSD!"

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>>59816455
Why is God's name would it have lower IPC? RAM issues are being fixed. Go home shilly shill.

>>59816503
>AssRock

>>59816520
not him, but I'm doing "ok" with only a 128gib ssd. you really don't need more than your OS, some programs, and maybe your favorite game or two.

This whole thread seems to have turned in to bad advice general and I suspect it's largely the shitter of an OP working his magic. People are right about that 212 Evo though. That's a meme that needs to die.

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>>59816416
Nah. The 212 Evo is fine, it's just a bit older now than some of the other budget coolers that have come out in the past year or two that are just a touch better for about the same price, but if it's not available to you then it's a moot point. It's honestly not going to make a difference especially because you're running a locked CPU anyway. It'll be a huge upgrade over any kind of stock CPU cooler, that's basically what it's entire purpose is, so if you can get it for about $20 then just pull the trigger and be done with it.

>>59816434
>>59816455
Yeah I was just responding to it and I think you're overreacting. Worse IPC was basically a given for the past 3 years ever since we heard "Zen" was going to land us somewhere between Ivy and Haswell IPC, which honestly still would have been "alright" by AMD's standards. They actually exceeded that by quite a bit.

I agree about the RAM issue but I expect that to get ironed out pretty soon as mobo manufacturers get some more time to get a few BIOS revisions out. An $80 difference in MSRP between the 1700 and the 1600x isn't really that small when you consider the overall "budget" demographic of AMD CPUs but I see where you're coming from.

>>59816475
>everyone here is the same person
Plebbit might be more your speed.

>>59816546
He just means Ryzen in general has slower IPC than Kaby, which is true. RAM issues getting fixed will help but it'll never magically have faster IPC than Kaby.

>>59816576
It just works, bro.

>>59816546
Shilly shill? I just said its a great idea, but its being executed poorly. It has the exact same and lower IPC as all of Ryzen 7, unless they updated the specs in the last few weeks. It just doesnt compare to R7.

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>>59816548
No, really. Why are you guys against this mobo? It looks pretty solid, has nice audio and network adapter. Why shouldn't I get it?

>>59816608
It was expected for the R5s and R3s to have the same IPC as the R7s, as they aren't clocked higher. You haven't explained why they would have *less* IPC than their 8 core siblings when they are very similar in nearly every respect.

The R5s are for people who don't need all of R7's cores but still want more than 4 cores without having to sell an arm and a leg.

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>>59816650
Not that guy, but there really is no one motherboard brand that is head and shoulders above any of the others. Each board has to be evaluated on a case by case basis, and you need to check out individual reviews from both customers and any tech sites you can find info on them before making your decision.

If it has good reviews, a good warranty, the specs you want, you can return/RMA it fairly easily if needed, and you can get it at a good price, then go for it.

>>59816597
>posting with an avatar
Overclockers.net might be more your speed, anon

>>59816650

>assrock

Monitors, /g/

what's good in the hood lately

>>59816792
Korean if you're strapped for cash, just make sure you get one with HDMI or DP

144hz if you've got money to burn

>>59816806

Thinking around $350 or so, paired with a gtx970

Current monitor is old and having problems powering on.

What's a good website to review monitors?

>>59816851
idk, i just look at the specs

>>59816851
tftcentral does good reviews

Is the 7600K really that bad an idea purely for muh gayming? Because benchmark-wise it sure doesn't look like it from here. Certainly looks to outperform the equivalently priced 1600's simulated results.

I feel like I'm being pushed toward gimping myself now in order to future proof for a sudden push toward heavily threaded stuff that I just don't see happening in earnest between now and my next upgrade. Enlighten me.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fYGPNN

How did we do

>>59816899
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PDgBJV

With this setup, would I need to add a graphics card to play "Cities: Skylines" at the recommended settings?

>>59817003

you forgot the pop tarts

>>59816943
Just ask yourself what will be the more likely scenario in the next 3-5 years, assuming that's your expected lifetime for this new PC you're going to put together.

Will it be more likely that the IPC of the CPU becomes too weak for it to run any modern games on, or will it be more likely that it starts to get choked by lack of cores and threads?

The answer is obvious because we've already see it play out in real world scenarios and we can just look back to the Haswell era to confirm it. Unlocked dual core G3258's could be pushed to about 4.5 GHz on air but, even at the time, were niche for modern games due to lack of threads. Sure, they'd be suitable for older games and a few modern ones that weren't too taxing, but they would be completely useless in others despite the higher IPC and overclocking results. The same kind of thing happened a bit later with i3's, even the higher clocked ones, basically being horrible buys for dedicated gaming builds as the hyperthreading on them could only help so much. Great IPC, sure, but not enough cores and threads to sustain thread hungry games. Even now, a heavily OC'd 7600K loses handily to a stock 7700 in most multithreaded situations, so unless you absolutely need that single threaded IPC, I'd invest elsewhere.

>>59817068
What did he mean by this

>>59816247
Cleaning with alcohol is for replacing the thermal paste, so you don't need to do it on a new one.

>>59815789
>injecting shit into your powerlines

>>59817133
>not doing it anyway
It's almost as if 99% isopropyl alcohol is cheap as fuck

>>59816247
There is no single way to apply thermal paste. The dot method would see to extreme failure given a server chip with 22 cores. It all depends on the shape of the die. The dot method works on consumer chips where the die only takes up a third of the chip at most, but enterprise chips with shitloads of cores can take up the entire IHS, which means you need a different method to ensure full coverage.

>>59817067
sorry. didn't mean to quote anyone. just wanted the quick reply window up

>>59817197
True, I just said you don't NEED to. Might as well for good measure.

>>59817067

You'd need to add a motherboard of course, and a graphics card for ideal settings

Skylines isn't that hard to run but it gets laggy if you have a lot of addons

>>59817099
Means you're a filthy newfag.

>>59817197
So what are some other methods you would recommend in general?

>>59817311

nah that's just a waste of time on a new processor

I guess if you're super autistic you can tho, it won't hurt anything if you do it right. Might as well just boot it up and check your temps tho first

>>59817337
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fYGPNN
Ok, and? I need suggestions. Not autism

>>59817329
Didn't notice it flagged the motherboard I selected as incompatible.
How's this now?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GX89pb

>>59817391

I would go with a full ATX motherboard, since your case supports a full size one

and I'd stay away from assrock. Try to find something by Asus or Gigabyte

>>59817416
I was trying to keep this build budgeted under $400 until I looked at the recommended settings using a core i5 CPU instead of the G4560 I had selected before. Kind of an oh shit moment and looking for the cheapest compatible i5 cpu. shit shit shit.
Would this be able to run the game without a graphics card until I could get one later on?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tzQPNN

>>59817154
It has zero effect on the function of your electrical wiring.

>>59817574
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Pentium-G4560-vs-Intel-Core-i5-3470/3892vs2771

Here's the CPU that C:SL recommends vs the g4560. You're gonna need a GPU because on the system recs it says "(Does not support Intel Integrated Graphics Cards) "

You'd save by getting the $60 CPU and spending what you would spend on an i5 on a used gpu. I'm sure it wont take a beast of a graphics card to run it since those games are mostly CPU driven anyway

>>59817793
Alright, so it would eun ith the original cheap CPU I chose, if slightly slower, but would need a GPU. That's a huge relief. I chose the cheapest GeForce 1050 card.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pg28vV

How does this look now?

The ROG Strix 470 is a good card, right?

>>59817896
For 1080p budget gaming, yeah sure.

>>59817877
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pg28vV

Looks fucking great, however I did a similar build recently and I managed to find a 470 for around $90. I'd be vigilant for better deals as the 1050 is kinda baseline. The TI version is better.

Also get one stick of 8GB ram rather than 2 4GB. It will save you a slot you could later use to upgrade to 16GB

>>59817918
Cool thanks, just realized there are five in my local Microcenter for $120 after rebate.

>tfw I spent 180+tax for my 470 at Best Goy™

>>59817925
Yeah that's a great deal. You'll have to turn down a setting or two on some new games to guarantee 60fps but that's a really good bang for the buck right now.

which is better, air cooling or all in one liquid cooling. For the one you pick, can you name me a good version of the product. Example: Hyper Evo 212, corsair h100i

is g-sync a meme

does it even matter if u have a 980

Just finished buildingn doing my boot and went to bios. The whole thing is in chinese though? What do I do after turning on, try to change to english? Put in the gpu driver disk? Install OS?

Mobo is a Gigabyte B250M-DS3H with an i3 -7100

>>59817938
>he doesn't know that best buy pricematches newegg now

>>59817952
Air cooling is just about as good as AIO water cooling and is much less prone to failure. Generally even quieter than water cooling AIOs.

>>59817961
Adaptive sync (freesync/g-sync) isn't necessarily a meme but it's really not worth paying a huge premium for. It's not like some kind of transformative viewing experience that you've never seen before. If you want to get an idea for what g-sync/freesync looks like just play a game with vsync on and see how it looks. You'll deal with some input lag but at least you'll see what it looks like. I've honestly never been the type to be bothered by screen tearing though so what do I know.

>>59817965
Hahaha what. Yeah, you'll have to figure out how to change it to English first so you can tell it to boot from whatever disk you're trying to install your OS from.

>Put in the gpu driver disk?
kek. No, you don't do that until your OS is installed.
>>59817965
>i3 -7100
What are you doing.

>>59817965
>he's trying to build his own PC even though he's not fluent in chinese

They make pre-builts for a reason, 鬼佬.

currently have a gtx 650 with 2gb of vram
about to get memed into ghost recon wildlands

should i upgrade my card?

>>59818037
Went with what logical increments said, still learning. I've got no idea about this chinese thing.

>>59818037
Alright, can anyone recommend some good air cooling options? I have the lg 1150 socket and i7-4790k. I plan on overclocking the cpu, so can i get a model that is preferably quiet and can overclock. however, if i had to take priority, i would say one that is quiet more than overclock potential.

Just asking if a b350m Mortar is good, and if pairing it with a 1600 is worth it:


Currently stuck with an A8-7600 with an RX460 and would like to upgrade into AM4

>>59817938
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Think I can go back and get my extra shekels back?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GL6DFd

Give it to me straight doc

>>59818169
How long ago did you buy it?

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Hey /pcbg/ I need some help with choosing a CPU cooler. I got an R7 1700x, which was a very short-sighted choice when I thought of how I'm building a gaming PC on a budget. For starters, I live in Brazil, so PC parts are usually 170% of their original price in dollars.

What are some good budget coolers that won't let me down? The most I could spend on one would probably be $100 at most. I'm not picky about water cooling, and I probably won't do things that justify overclocking, if that's worth noting.

I'm also open for PSU suggestions. pcpartpicker is predicting my build to draw 40W short of 400W.

Gtx 1060 3gb mini for $155 or rx 480 4gb for $164, which is a better deal?

>>59818210
RX 480 100% it has the same performance as the 8gb.

>>59818209
The CRYORIG M9i is the go-to cooler now.

>>59818199
2 or 3 weeks ago, and thru further research I paid about what my particular card goes for on Amazon and Newegg.
>XFX RX 470 RS with aesthetic white LEDs

>>59818276
The strix 470 has an rgb logo and sells for $60 less

>>59818182
>dual core CPU

Makes sense you're a drumpftard too, it's obvious you're a complete retard

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What happens if I install 2 memory sticks with different frequencies?

>>59815556
How do I know which motherboards work with which cpus/gpus? Is there a guide or a standard of knowing how to choose a motherboard?

>>59816333
change current MOBO for MSI Z270 PC MATE

>>59818417
>Used primarily for playing old video games and overmeme

>needing more than that

FAKE NEWS SAD!

>>59818336
I get it, but Best Got isn't going to price match on a different model of card so I'm gonna just have to live with it

>>59815556
Top to Bottom cooling is better.

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>>59818058
>Went with what logical increments said
That website is pretty irrelevant in the current market. I'm not the OP of this thread but he's right in that there are really only a handful of CPUs and GPUs even worth buying at all for what the relative cost/performance is. No big deal. Wish I could help you on the language thing. There's obviously an option to switch it back to English. If it has a manual it may show you exactly where the language option is. If not, contact Gigabyte support.

>>59818069
Noctua NH-U14S sounds like what you'd want. Good mix of quiet performance and good cooling ability for a serious OC. It'll cost you a bit though.

>>59818182
Pretty good for watching anime and shitposting in high resolution.

>>59818473
The faster one will be kneecapped to run at the slower speed.

>>59818491
The link to installgentoo has all the basic info you'll need.

>>59818540
Bait desu.

>>59818528
>Z270
>locked CPU
kek, no.

>>59818105
following up this question; do mortars have RGB?

>>59818246
It's not available around here, unfortunately. There's a CRYORIG H7 available, though, and the slightly more expensive Corsair H60. It would help immensely if Amazon could ship internationally, but alas...

My choices are limited.

>>59818606
>RGB
4chan is an 18+ site, mate.

>>59815556
I am building a virtualization workstation. I will probably be running 4 VMs on this machine concurrently. What is a good CPU to do this? Should I even consider AMD at this point or just go straight to Xeon?

>>59818628
Depends on how much ram you need.

>>59818628
>>59818670
Considering a 32GB kit but I am looking at 64GB mobos in case I want to go up in the future

>>59817922
Sorry for the late reply. Got sidetracked by a project.
How's this look now?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mccxjc

Got a challenge from my Dad. Not sure where to start myself, but come up with a build with similar specs to this off the shelf computer for less. OK wtf. 4chan thinks dell.com is spam?
www . dell . com / en-us / member / shop / productdetails / inspiron-3656-desktop / ddccz301b ?ref =283_title

i've never overclocked or used sli before, but i might get into it

i can afford to buy 2x 1080 ti

will i need water cooling to prevent my computer from melting or hearing jet engine noise?

http://www.staples.com/Acer-Aspire-TC-710-Intel-Corei5-Desktop/product_2625570

Very good deal on a Skylake i5 desktop. Not even counting peripherals, assuming no pirated Windows, you save around $170 over building yourself. Lacks dedicated GPU, but if you don't need one immediately a great place to start. All components standardized, I believe, so swapping something like the PSU shouldn't be an issue.

>>59818779
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mccxjc
>dual core in 2017

>>59818873
You need to be 18 to post here and that PC is a pile of outdated shit.

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/FsgXsY/entry-level-gaming-build

>>59818947
You don't need water cooling for 2 1080ti's but you should have a decent power supply to drive it. It will get warm and a little loud but it won't be unbearable. The real question is whether you really need 2 1080 ti's because SLI and crossfire is pretty fucking shit.

>>59818968
>2.7 GHz
Into the trash.

About to pull the trigger on a refurbished BenQ XL2411. I only have $250 to spend. I have good enough specs to push my games to 144hz. (1070 @ 2ghz, i7-3770k @ 4.5ghz) That's not what's holding me back.

Am I making the right choice? Is there something else that's better at my price point? Also, is buying refurbished even a good idea?

>>59818968
>intel
>2017
T R A S H
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>>59818624
>it's actually an /m/-based project I'm doing.

>Mortar Arctic B350
>G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2x8gb 3000 16gb CL16
>Sapphire RX 470 Nitro+ OC 4gb
>tecware quad white
>Seasonic S12II 620watts 80+ Bronze
>WDC Black 1tb (WD1003FZEX)
>Crucial BX200 480gb

It should glow green when on full load and red on half-load

just like pic related

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What would be a good fan arrangement in this case? Pic isn't mine.

On the left I have a 120mm fan blowing inward
On the right I have two 120mm fans blowing outward
At the rear (right) I have two 80mm fans blowing outward
My CPU cooler is a tower cooler and it's blowing to the right

So it seems the 1700 performs almost the same as the 1700X and 1800X at 3.9Ghz. I've heard that the X CPUs can go to 4 or 4.1Ghz.
Is it worth me spending $60AUD more on a 1700X? I feel like I might, seeing as I'll be keeping this PC for 4+ years, like my 2500k system.

>>59818994
>a little loud

i cant handle it.. im alergic to computer noise. i need like near silent

i plan to play games like GTA 5, witcher 3, and MMORPGs with 4k monitor max settings

>>59819006
>buying a refurbished monitor
You're just asking for dead pixels from a company trying to push a bad panel to a customer that might not complain so much. Did you check out the VG248QE?

>>59819055
>i need like near silent
Then you don't want 2 fucking high powered graphics cards, lel. A single 1080ti is your best bet from a heat/noise standpoint (probably won't always do 4k60) but nigga if you want complete silence you're going to have to put the whole thing underwater in an expensive custom loop or you're going to have to throttle your fan speeds to low and deal with the compromised performance.

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I need help in pretty much planning a whole mini ITX build. I've built the system I'm currently using but it's a standard ATX and posed no possible issues in planning.

I'm looking for the best specs for the money with around an $850 budget.
A must for the build is falling below the size requirements for carry-on in pic related. At the moment I mainly play Overwatch and League, but I'm looking to expand into AAA titles. My current monitor is 1366x768 @60hz but I'm soon upgrading to FHD@60 or 144.
In the winter I will have means of upgrading components if they need it, namely the CPU or GPU, but I'm focused on performance now.

pls critique, want to order tonight yet
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jrDjCy

Going to be used for misc computer shit at UNI, nothing too demanding. Primarily for CAD homework related shit, and then I like to emulate old game systems from NES/SNES/N64/Sega Genesis up through stuff like Gamecube. I really don't touch many modern demanding games.

>>59819116
I hear bad things about the VG248QE more often than I hear bad things about the XL2411. I've been using the Asus VH242H for the past five years without problems, but that was an impulse buy because I didn't know any better, and I don't know if I just got lucky or not.

I would have thought since it had been refurbished there would be a less chance of it being DOA/stuck pixels/other shit, but I don't know.

>>59819183
I've owned mine (248QE) for over 2 years with zero issues so not sure what else to say other than it has really delivered for me. I'd put zero faith in BenQ/ASUS/Acer's ability to "refurbish" a monitor though. We all know what that means.

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>>59818947
>needing to buy 2 1080tis
>>59819039
Maybe look at the OP's picture?
>>59819011
Okay AMDrone shill get back to shilling your radeon graphics refresh

>>59819229
Shit, I only have enough credit to get the refurbished monitors, I guess I'll wait until I have the money to buy new then.

>>59819260
The 248QE is $250 brand new from Amazon. Sometimes it goes on sale for less. Are you in the US?

>>59819052

Honestly just get the 1700. I wouldn't run Ryzen at 4.0ghz for that long of a time span, pocket the extra $60 or put it towards something else in your build. 3.9 is where the voltage wall for Ryzen really starts, at 4.0+ you are getting into voltages that will start to eat into the lifespan of the CPU, unless you get a golden chip that runs 4.0+ with =<1.35v.

>>59819273
Yeah I'm in the US, but I have to buy from Newegg since I'm using PayPal credit. It's $259.99, but I should just be able to pay the difference or something I'm probably just going to get the 248QE and if it sucks, I'll just save money for something else.

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>/vgcag/ - Video Game Console Assembly General

>>59819132
>bulldozer
>2017
DONT

here
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RQdbD8

>>59819235
>wanting a overpriced 2 ghz i5 in 2017
top cuck

>>59819301
Oh alright, got it. I really don't think you'll be disappointed with the 248QE. It can really look very nice with some tweaking and has the ULMB option as well. I ended up not using ULMB as I think it causes a bit of eye strain but some swear by it for fast paced FPS.

>>59819326
dumb frogposter

>>59819330
This is a little pricey from where he was but I agree that he should avoid APUs. Wouldn't a Pentium build be better for emulation. Can't speak to how well it would do in autoCAD vs Ryzen though.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MDdDFd

I need a better choice for a CPU cooler and I want to bump up the SSD to a 500GB 2.5" SATA. Which should I choose?

And what's a good way to monitor if a part you want is on sale? Would there even be any sales this time of year? I'm not familiar with Newegg sales practices.

Thoughts on this gaming build?
i already have an ssd so i will be good on that department

>>59819478
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yfHXpb

forgot link my b

>>59819472
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MDdDFd
you need a better choice of a cpu instead of this housefire

>>59819529
go shitpost somewhere else, fat nerd

>>59819527
>4c/4t
p shit in 2017 to be quite fucking honest with you m8

>>59819553
He's kinda right though. Fuck the 7700k.

>>59819570
k so its best for me to wait for the ryzen 1500x?

>>59819527
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YL4ppb

i improved your build

>>59819594
or just get a 1700 right now

>>59819607
i dont think i need ram at 3200 mhz. i also dont plan on overclocking. but the rest looks fine

>>59819594
The Ryzen 1700 is the almost the same price as the 7700k and its better

>>59819570
sour grapes or just amd fanboy?

>>59819654
>sour grapes
>ryzen costs more
?

>>59819654
Unless you absolutely require the better single threaded performance for something like emulation then I just think there are better buys out there. Even if it's just a variety of AAA gaming and someone would rather stick with intel I think a locked i7 and a cheaper motherboard make more sense than getting involved in overclocking kaby lake. I just can't believe intel still isn't soldering that IHS. They really should be sent a message from the overclocking/enthusiast community that that is a bullshit practice.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B9t39W
Will this be a good enough build to play RPGMaker chinese cartoon porn games on Linux or does it need to be more powerful? I know with Linux you have to use stronger parts because its support is worse, but I want to make the switch.

>>59818540
If you have no where else to put a radiator, it's fine.

>>59819607
Looks good but that RX480 seems too pricey. Did they all shoot up in price or what?

>>59819635
Ryzen likes fast RAM (really, so do Intel CPUs but Intel locks fast RAM to expensive Z270 boards only) and it doesn't cost much more.
Get the RAM that anon suggested, but you could cut it down to 2x4GB.

>>59819594
No, the 1500X won't compete with the 7700k. It's a competitor to the i5s since the SMT usually more than makes up for the slightly slower single thread perf.
The 1600 overclocked or 1600X are more 7700k competitors, but the 7700k will still be faster on average (and more expensive) but the 6 cores will have more headroom to not drop frames when other shit is going on on your computer.

>>59819696
This, pretty much.
>games only use 4 threads max
is just some trolling to trick people into wasting money for something that'll become obsolete faster. The vast majority have been using at least 8 threads, and up to dozens of threads, for years.

Just look at all the people that have 4c/4t sandy bridge, ivy bridge, and even haswell which feel they need an upgrade. But most people that have sandy bridge or newer with hyperthreading do not feel the same.

>>59819734
Looks good but if you're going to spend that much on an RX480, get the XFR GTR. It's only $5 more.

>>59819734
You could get a 480Gb+ SSD that's better for less than 50% more than that dogshit 600p 256Gb.

>>59819734
yes

>>59819885
I'll take it into account.
>>59819897
I was under the impression that the faster interface allowed for faster read/write speeds. Which SSD would you recommend instead?

>>59819696
Not him but personally I don't mind dropping the money on what seems to be one of the best CPUs on the market right now. I emulate from time to time but plan to use it for things beyond gaming.

What's a good cooler to use, then? Someone shit on me last thread for having the Hyper 212 Evo.

In fact I think it was our "dogshit" friend here >>59819897 Hey, pal.

>>59819885
>The vast majority have been using at least 8 threads, and up to dozens of threads, for years.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Threading is just a technique to get more work distributed over more cores, thus reducing processing time. However, you're always going to be limited by the amount of physical cores you have and the clock speed they possess.

>>59820046
If we're talking what would be a good cooler for the 7700k then yeah you're going to want one of the $60-100 air coolers that has decent reviews. For running stock speeds and modest overclocking on cooler chips (G3258 for example) the 212 Evo is fine.

>>59820046
>Threading is just a technique to get more work distributed over more cores, thus reducing processing time
Yes, but just check out how well the hyperthreaded i7s are holding up over time compared to the i5s. It's no contest, so if you're interested in putting together a build that'll last you 3-5 years then erring on the side of "more threads" is an easy decision to make. Hyperthreading/SMT does make a difference.

>>59819330
you literally just added $250 to the build.
I'm not poor but I don't see much sense in more than $500 for a PC for my needs. The APU should be plenty I'd think

>>59820149
So your argument is that you should get a Ryzen instead of an Intel right now because they offer more cores?

I guess you have a point but for people who want a PC right now, no option seems worth it if you really want to buy for longevity without buying some insane bullshit CPU like the 6900K. I'm not really impressed by the 1800X

>>59820226
>I'm not really impressed by the 1800X
so this is what the "sucks for games, games is what matters" narrative accomplished.

>>59820026
>I was under the impression that the faster interface allowed for faster read/write speeds
The 600p is NVMe but it's slower than SATA speeds.
An MX300 would be better in every way. Faster, cheaper, reliable, etc.
You could also spend double and get the faster MyDigitalSSD BPX which is an actual NVMe that's faster than SATA.

>I'm not sure what you mean by this. Threading is just a technique to get more work distributed over more cores, thus reducing processing time. However, you're always going to be limited by the amount of physical cores you have and the clock speed they possess.
SMT helps keep the AGUs and FPUs loaded with work by avoiding wait states that keep the cores from doing work.
Go look it up, and look up tests of SMT scaling.

>>59820183
>The APU should be plenty I'd think
$350 APU builds were fantastic for what they were like... 4 years ago.
But they've hardly improved since.
Wait for Raven Ridge, and it should make sense again then.

>>59820226
>So your argument is that you should get a Ryzen instead of an Intel right now because they offer more cores?
Looks like he is saying it's because they have SMT, which make those cores more efficient, effectively greatly improving IPC except in single task, single thread only applications.

How bad is the bottle neck with a G4560 and a 1070?

>>59816730
Not an argument.

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what takes more GPU power:

4k or 3440x1440?

would i be able to get 60+ fps on GTA 5 with a 1080 ti on 3440x1440 max settings? i know you cant with 4k

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>>59820226
>So your argument is that you should get a Ryzen instead of an Intel right now because they offer more cores?
Basically, yes. My argument is that we have several historical examples over the past 5-10 years where investing in "moar cores" has actually paid off. This is how the FX-8350 is still able to hang around with modern i5's in several modern games even though if you listened to the tech press 5 years ago when it was released, it (Bulldozer/Piledriver) was annihilated in reviews even worse than Ryzen just recently was because, of course, it was slaughtered in benchmarks that highlighted its glaring weakness: single threaded IPC. (Note: I'm not necessarily arguing the 8350 was a great chip to buy, just pointing out one example.)

You don't even need to make it an intel vs AMD thing either. Just look at how i5's (4c/4t) are faring in some of the latest CPU intensive games to get an idea for what happens when the system becomes thread starved.

>>59820310
>Looks like he is saying it's because they have SMT, which make those cores more efficient, effectively greatly improving IPC except in single task, single thread only applications.
Yes. More threads and more cores with single threaded IPC that is "good enough" to get by makes Ryzen a compelling CPU. The reason many people haven't felt any need to upgrade since Sandy Bridge (or maybe even Nehalem) is because until fairly recently their single threaded IPC has been pretty fucking good. The only reason one might have felt a really strong need to upgrade was the simple lack of threads for workloads. My point for anyone considering anything resembling a "high end" PC is to take a look at the history of what has "choked" an end-user more over the past decade and 9 times out of 10 it's that they had too few physical CPU cores to do whatever it was they were trying to do (Bulldozer arch notwithstanding since it was never "good enough."

>>59820358
Depends on the game but potentially bad.

>>59820391

Well just got a gtx 1080 off a friend for pretty cheap, trying to figure out what my next logical upgrade is going to be.

Is it worth upgrading from my 4690k yet? I have it running at 4.2ghz.

>>59820538
Stefan doesn't argue so much as he does spout bullshit premises and beg the question.

>>59820506
4K, but only by ~15% more. 4K is basically Ultrawide 1440p, but with more pixel height.

>>59820506
"4k" = 3840*2160 = 8294400
3440*1440 = 4953600
3840*2160 has ~67% more pixels so it will require more power.
1080ti should be fine for 3440*1440/60

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>>59820538
Me again. Let me also add, and this goes for everything from CPUs to GPUs and everything in between, that most of the tech press is not interested in helping you put together a PC that will last you many years. They want you to buy more shit, always. This is why they rarely have any historical discussions about how well certain reviews and opinions have held up over time. Gamers Nexus made this painfully obvious when they called Ryzen 7 "an i5 in gaming" in their review. Like seriously, have some fucking historical context for your review and realize that normal people don't build a PC every fucking year.

>>59820576
Yeah but he makes for some pretty neat memes.

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Everything on my computer is top of the line pretty much with an i7 7700k, 3200mhz ram, 270z motherboard, but I still have a 970. Should I buy my 1080ti now or should I wait for the next iteration? Is there anything releasing soon?

Coming from a guy that buys frivolous things

>>59820657
Just remember, no matter what you buy, it won't fill the emptiness inside you.

>>59820679
It's a temporary fix :') I make enough money to do it

>>59820617
does number of pixels have a linear relation to gpu power?

im assuming 4k uses 67% more power than 3440*1440p? thats a lot

>>59820617
This is accurate, but it doesn't scale exactly like that when it comes to power needed.
The reality tends to be that if you can get 4k at 60fps on one GPU, that same GPU will usually do about 85-90 on 3440x1440 and not the 100 you'd expect.

It comes down to optimizations in the GPU for certain lengths of lines of pixels versus the number of lines and all sorts of shit.
And because 4x the pixels from 1080p to 4k doesn't take exactly 4x the amount of work.

But yeah, a 1080Ti will be fine for 1440 ultrawide 60fps.

>>59820627
>"an i5 in gaming"
Which was bullshit because they cherry picked only 6 games to "show" that.
The 1800X is far better than the 7600k on average even in gaming.
Hell, half their own gayming tests even in their own benchmarks showed it getting double-triple the 0.1% and 1% FPS as the 7600k on day1 BIOS and slower RAM. They're just a bunch of shitlords.

>>59820657
Even a 1070 would be a big upgrade over the 970, but not really worth the cost. Wait for Vega/Volta/Navi.

>>59819280
4.1 is where Ryzen's voltage wall appears for the better binned X chips.

>>59820627
>>59820538
I appreciate the sentiment. It's a good point that consumer tech reviewers / resources aren't really on your side. So what's the compromise of single thread performance while still having many physical cores? To my knowledge there isn't a consumer card that does it all and Ryzen just marks a milestone for more affordable 6 and higher core count CPUs. It seems like if you wanted the best of both worlds you may as well just wait it out (although I guess you could say that for anything with computer hardware).

What common activities would really ask for strong multithreading support besides gaming, though? I'm a hobbyist programmer so I can imagine multithreading applications but none that would apply to normal user. I often see the Ryzen and RX stuff recommended as parts for a "multitasking" rig but what exactly does that entail? Is it just as simple as "having a bunch of semi-cpu intensive shit open at the same time"?

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>>59820810
but will it take full advantage of the 100 hz Acer Predator x34? 100 hz vs 60 is still a big difference

if i have to do 1080 ti sli + custom water cooling i'll do it but really prefer not to

>>59820880
When I'm playing a game I don't only have the game open. I have Firefox open to a Youtube video or a Twitch stream and Discord open.

The 7700K gets higher frames than any Ryzen chip, yes, but that's only if the game is the only thing running. The 7700K sits at 95-100% to get those frames while a Ryzen 8 core sits at 30-40% to get those frames. If anything else was open on the 7700K I would get stutters and frame drops while the Ryzen will operate fine.

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Who else excited for Ryzen 5 tomorrow?

>>59820973
Not me. More people will buy RAM, which means higher prices because of low supply and high demand

>>59820958
Can you give me a good resource for reading up on the 7700k versus a Ryzen chip in regards to what we're discussing? I've only been reading Wikipedia articles on SMT and related topics. I'm a bit confused by what you're saying. Is the Ryzen distributing the work over multiple cores whereas the i7 just dumps it on a single thread?

I'm not expert but isn't leveraging the use of multiple cores the responsibility of the developer? Is the Ryzen doing its own optimization to distribute work to cores in games where they're only really using a single core?

>>59820880
>What common activities would really ask for strong multithreading support besides gaming, though
>playing games and having all the gamer bloat, league client, skype, discord etc.
>Streaming you games
>Video editing, 3d rendering, compiling
>Virtual machines
>having lots of web browser tabs, streaming video
Mix up any of the above. In fact general use is way more multi-threaded than games since you're running so many processes.
plus games and programs constantly get better multi-threading.

>>59821019
>Is the Ryzen distributing the work over multiple cores whereas the i7 just dumps it on a single thread?

Distributing different processes across cores is the responsibility of the OS scheduler. Optimizing on process(like a game) for multiple cores is the responsibility of the game dev.

The i7 only has a meager 4 cores, and it's usually at 90%+ use, It doesnt have anywhere to put the other processes.

Ryzen has 8 cores and is usually at ~40% load from games.

Put simply, ryzen has ~50-60% of the CPU free for other stuff, 7700k only has ~1-10%. Anything you do is gonna take cpu power(and thus fps) away from the i7.

>>59821081
Can you give an example of a game that puts the 7700K at 90%?

Why should I not go with a 7600K and either go Ryzen or 7700K. Gaming is really the most taxing thing I regularly do but i do render video occasionally. I'm coming from a 2500K btw.

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>>59820913
No, you aren't going to get 100fps minimum on a 1080ti on newer games, or even many older games, maxed out.

Wait for Vega. It might not totally BTFO it in 1080p, but it probably will at 4k and 3440x1440.

But even still, I can't recommend a 3440x1440. Ultrawides are ass. Your vision is like 5:3, or 20:13 at most, depending how you want to measure it.

>>59820973
idk I'm getting one but I'm not in a rush.
I'm waiting to see some board comparisons and if there are performance differences between them.
I also can't decide if I want to just get the motherboard that has the best 5+1 audio, or if I want to get a sound card.

>>59820958
more like 45-65% for the ryzen 8 core.

>>59821019
SMT is simple.
The actual units on the cores that do work must be fed work by a scheduler. Attached on one end of each core is such a scheduler.
That work creates wait or locking states most of the time as it waits for it to complete.
With only one thread able to be scheduled at a time and work sent through by the scheduler, the core never gets fully loaded.
With SMT, which is known under the brand "hyperthreading" for Intel, the scheduler can schedule two threads at a time. When it detects some instructions are waiting and doing nothing, unable to proceed until something else finishes, it can let another thread's instructions run through instead.

The real world performance gains, where you have the exact same cores with the exact same throughput of each core, is typically in the 15-57% range for Intel's SMT(HT) and 30% greater for AMD's SMT.

That's why the 7700k is so much better than the 7600k. And why the 7600k is overpriced garbage.
SMT isn't difficult or expensive to add to CPUs, hence why the $60 G4560 has it. Intel is just jewing people.

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>>59821101
BF1 multiplayer, which is a very well optimized game.

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Where is a good place to find old Motherboards? I acquired an i7-3770k for free, and it is fucking impossible to find a decent 1155 board that does not look like a turd.

Someone point my dumbass in the right direction.

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>>59821101
Just the first thing that came to my mind.

A few things to note, though.
Unless you play 720p on the 1080ti like in the benchmarks, you're gonna have a GPU bottleneck most of the time.

You only need the CPU to spike to 100% and not be able to keep up for 0.1 or 0.01% of the time to get jarring stutter, which usually will happen when something big happens in game.

>>59821156
I mean, I was pretty comfortable with the 7700K but now I'm considering the 1700X. It's just more expensive and while the "more room for activities" thing seems appealing, I feel like the 7700K will last me the same amount of years just just a bit more hassle towards the end.

>>59821229
If you have a 7700k no need to upgrade now unless you do some hardcore stuff, at least wait for zen2 and coffe lake, whichever is better.

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>>59815556

>>59821244
>I REALLY don't want to go over $500
>Total: $1731.72

rate my build.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YhwY7h
Meant to be a budget gaming build, skimping where I could while still having a blu ray drive, an sd card reader, and compatibility with my games. I REALLY don't want to go over $500 if I can help it.

>>59821255
>clicks link I put in by accident
>thinks the build he did is the one I did
back to school with you.

>>59821256

You would be a lot better off with a Skylake or Kaby Lake i3.

Is it bad if I hear a water trickling sound from my aio cooler every now and then?

>>59821256
As always I'd recommend both dropping the blueray, and saving up more for a better cpu.

>>59821276
For the same price? I don't think so.

>>59821249
I have nothing right now. I meant I was comfortable as in I was pretty confident in my parts decision.

>>59821373

I ran an i3-6100 with a 750ti for the last year and it did mid range gaming perfect. Make it work or cry when that Pentium takes a shit on your chest.

>>59821401
in that case, the 7700k is only viable if 144hz gaming is the most important to you.

>>59821410
>mid range
low end*

>>59821420
no, its shit

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>>59821428

>>59821420
Then what are the other options? A 1700x is more expensive. Dropping down to a 6700k or 7700 is less powerful.

I feel like at this point I may as well just go with the purchase and not do shit like have 2 games open + a bunch of random shit in the background.

>>59821410
This seem better then?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tRPJZ8

>>59821229
It seems like 4c/8t are mostly on their last legs.

Like people that got some of the original 4c/8t current Intel arch CPUs were Sandy Bridge. The i7-2600k and i7-2700k.
With an overclock, those are still fine.

But now 4c/8t can't push 144fps min in modern games when 144hz is becoming the standard. They aren't going to magically become more powerful in the future. Instead it'll require at least 6 cores and 12 threads to optimize for to achieve that 144fps minimum.

That's exactly why Intel is moving to 6core/12 as their mainstream with coffeelake. But it's what they should have done over a year ago with Skylake to begin with.

A 7700k is fine for today's and older games. It's better on average. But it's EoL. It's mostly just a shrunken 6 year old CPU that clocks slightly higher.

>>59821420
Except that it can't even do 144 when overclocked to 5Ghz in lots of newer games. That's what's so shit.

>>59821482
They're all shit, but at least you have the AM4 platform to upgrade to something that doesn't sacrifice single core perf later on with Zen2 or Zen3.

>>59821256
Mobo costs too much. Why the bluray drive?
Looks fine otherwise, though I hardly think a 120GB SSD is even worth bothering with. It's a hassle to fit much on it.

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>>59821489
>750 ti
>$99

No. You're only saving $30 and getting a GPU that's about half as good.

>>59821517
>Mobo costs too much.
no
>Why the bluray drive?
practicality.

Honestly, I think I'm better off with the G4560 I had and the 1050 Ti. There actually isn't much separating the i3 from the G4560
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Pentium-G4560-vs-Intel-Core-i3-6100/3892vs3511

>>59821526
>>59821489


This nigga is right. I was just making the point that the i3 is going to be worlds better than the pentium. Keep the 1050. And I personally would cheap out on the motherboard. I used an MSI ECO. It was cheap as shit and it worked.

>>59821526
Neither is worth getting over an RX470.

>>59821526
and the rx 470 is way better than that

>>59821517
Maybe you can review my build then and give me some pointers? I just want to do 1080p gaming for the next...4+ years or so and have a little room for growth.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MDdDFd

Ignore the SSD and RAM for now.

>>59821489

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jHyWCy

>>59821540
Not that guy, but: What the compelling reason not to get a cheaper board and blu-ray, and step up to a far superior GPU like the rx470? Something like this?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bdh7HN

>>59821570
>was just making the point that the i3 is going to be worlds better than the pentium.
see
>>59821540
no it won't. The performance between them is so negligible, you'll never notice

>>59821612
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bfb2nn

fixed it and made it cheaper

>>59821629
>>59821620
>dual core
>2017

>>59821612
I thought I already said you're paying too much for that RX480, and if you're going to spend so much then spend $5 more for the XFR GTR?
That same ROG Strix card was $200 last week.
And I'd get the Cryorig H7 or M9i over the 212 evo. If you go with the 1600X, you could probably go with a smaller cooler even since it's not a hoursefire.

If you want room for growth, go the 1600X.

>>59821659
G4560 are great for budget builds.
I'm not sure the R3s will even really compete. Not until AMD starts selling former APUs that had broken iGPUs will they compete, I think.

>>59821659
If you've got a viable alternative for a <$500 build...

>>59821659

Ok moneybags

I've been thinking of upgrading my 2500k to a newer i5. I also bought a case that was shit back when I built this computer for the first time, and apparently it has poor grounding because it has killed my GPU and motherboard sound card?

So I've been thinking of switching the motherboard for a mATX and the case for a smaller cube shaped one because I think it looks cuter, anyway, I don't know if mATX has any innate disadvantages other than being crowded and having less ports. If I've never used any of the extra features, would I feel limited by a mATX motherboard?

>>59815909

Allegedly the exploding cards were caused by bad components on the card itself, which is why you're still seeing it happen after cards had the pads installed.

>>59821641
Not bad. I already ordered my dumb led motherboard, though so that's a locked in component. I had the MX300 in mind which is why I said ignore SSD but that RAM looks ugly as sin. And how stressful is OCing the motherboard for 3200MHz RAM anyways? I'm pretty sure the one I have listed only supports either 2166 or 2400mhz ram without OC.

>>59821660
I don't think that was me but I find these prices aren't accurate sometimes. I can get the GPU for $210 right now on Amazon. And I have a gift card so that knocks a bit more off. I'm just using this site to make a parts list, not use the prices as stone cold facts. I'll look into those coolers, thank you for actually dropping some names.

>>59821692

Will you please sell me your fucking 1155 mobo if you do? I can't fucking find one for my i7-3770k.

>>59821517
144Hz is a fucking joke. You'll get some stuff to run (CSGO) but no.

4K 60 FPS will make you a better player. The DPI alone is going to fuck with everybody.

>>59821680
ryzen 3

>>59821722
>144Hz is a fucking joke
RETARD ALERT

>>59821707
The in-board sound card is toast and the PCI-E might not be working either.

>>59821736

rip

>>59821620
>Fractal Design
fuck off. I don't care if you're into scat, but don't push that shit on me.

>>59821629
intriguing.
Honestly, this will be my first build and I thought radeons were only for AMD motherboards? Apparently, I was wrong.
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-470/3649vs3640

BTW, I did consider that motherboard. The only reason I went with the gaming pro over it was the red accents.
>inb4 fag
yes.

>>59821757

>I thought radeons were only for AMD motherboards

End your life

>>59821734
Enjoy your ass resolution fucktard

Ordering my PC build tomorrow
so excited!

>>59821789
Good luck anon, hope it goes smoothly!

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>tfw I have quad 580s already

Stay in the past boys

>>59821726
yea no. I don't have the luxury of waiting. Budget and performance haven't been announced and I'm not going to wait and hope. The G4560 is here now and a damned good deal.

>>59821770
ladies first

>>59821808

>I don't have the luxury of waiting

More like you are an impatient retard

If i dont plan on overclocking my i7-7700k, do I still need liquid cooling or will a regular cpu cooler be fine?

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>>59821846
Stock cooler is always fine unless OCing

>>59821833
or I don't want to bet on something we don't even know the specs or price of yet.

Should I upgrade my fury x to the hughest tier vega?

I play with a 4K monitor

How do I get my motherboard to recognize my ram is 3000 MHz?

>>59821701
>I don't think that was me but I find these prices aren't accurate sometimes. I can get the GPU for $210 right now on Amazon.
yes, they aren't accurate. So you put the price in pcpartspicker for what you're getting it for which makes it easier for others who look at it to tell.

>>59821722
1440p 100+ is the sweet spot right now.

I think more engines in the future will be able to handle 144+ fps without being cpu bottlenecked, though, on 6core and 8 core.

>>59821846
A Cryorig C7 or M9i is fine if not overclocking.
Just 110w TDP+

>>59821964
Probably. See how the benchmarks compare to your fury x. It will likely end up being around twice as good.

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>>59821517
>Except that 7700k can't even do 144 when overclocked to 5Ghz in lots of newer games.

Nonsense. I have a 7700k and a GTX 1080. I get 144 fps on 1080p with full ultra settings in just about every title out there. In fact, Witcher 3 is the only game I don't get over 144 fps. I get between 100 and 130 with Witcher 3. Everything else is 144 fps vsynced on my 144hz monitor, such as GTA V, Shadow of Morder, Fallout 4, Thief, Watch Dogs 2, Mass Effect Andromeda, and others.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3FhCvV

Would MSI 1080 ti x overclock better than founders edition?

Also approximately when will nvidia's next higher tier card arrive?

I currently have 2 4K monitors and would like to build a PC to play games at 4K.
I'm set on a Ryzen 7 1700, but I'm unsure on what GPU to go for.
Do I buy an RX480 just until Vega gets here, or do I get something like a 1080Ti?
Maybe if I can get a cheap Fury X off eBay, that would suffice for the time being.

>>59822089

The only limit on overclocking with Pascal is temperature, the AIB cards have better stock cooling so they'll OC better. If you liquid cool there's no difference

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>>59822056
>he doesn't even break 20k on Firestrike
>none of those games are BF1 multiplayer
>half of those are complete lies. Not even 1080 SLI gets over 100 1% min fps in watch dogs 2
stfu, lying shill. That's not remotely close to believable.

>>59822113
Wait for Vega and see how it and the 1080Ti handle 4K benchmarks.

>Do I buy an RX480 just until Vega gets here
You don't have a backup GPU?

>Maybe if I can get a cheap Fury X off eBay, that would suffice for the time being.
You can get the R9 Fury new for $240 still. It's the best 4K card for the money, still. Good for at least 30fps @ 4K in most games.

What R5 or i5 CPU would be best in the range of $200-235 USD?
Could it be the R5-1600X or i5-7600K?
What GPU would be best in that same price range?
Is it still the RX480? I might hold out on the GPU if that's the case.

I'm aiming for modest 1080p performance.

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>>59822253
Backup card
I don't have a proper PC currently, just using a HP ProDesk 600 G2 at the minute, it's the absolute tiny one. Works fine with 2 DPs out but I need something better

>>59822266
i5 simply aren't worth getting.

Neither of those is <$235 though.
You are going to need a cooler. At least you can get away with a much cheaper cooler on the 1600X, though.
You could just get the 1600 for cheaper but you'll lose 3-6% on the overclock on average for a reasonable voltage like 1.325v, and the stock cooler probably isn't good for over 3.8-3.9.

"simulated" benchmarks even by those that did benchmarks that seemed Intel favored still show the 1600X looking way better on average than the 7600k.

>What GPU would be best in that same price range?
>Is it still the RX480? I might hold out on the GPU if that's the case.
Yes. But you should wait for the RX500 since it's more than a simple rebrand. It's a process refinement or change.
The RX480 already handles 95%+ of games at 1080p, but the RX580 will be better and probably cost the same.

>>59822296
Get a used 7970, or 280X. Can get them for like $65-$85. Or even something lesser. They're cheap as shit since so many were bought for mining, but sometimes you get screwed by people who moronically overclocked them to bitcoin mine, instead of underclocked.

>>59822362
Does the 7970 or 280X have 2 DisplayPort 1.2 ports?

>>59818709
As much as I hate to say it, AMD is too new for tasks like that. I'd either wait or go with xeon hardware.

>>59822232
>doesn't even break 20k on Firestrike

The stats I posted are stock numbers. Nothing has been overclocked on this rig and I fell a mere 1100 points shy of 20k. I'll surpass 20k with just a little overclocking.

As for your claim that I am lying, look, it makes no difference to me whether you believe me or not. Fact is, I am getting those fps and I am far from the only one who does. I know that because I spent many hours posting many questions in the /pcbg/ thread to build my pc and achieve exactly what I intended to. Don't hate. Don't be jelly. Get a better job, save your money, buy a better pc. Buy the components I put into mine and you will have the pleasure of the same fps I am getting.

>>59821833
>just wait for X

It's not like this has been going on for years.

>Ryzen still disappointing in games
>RX500 retarded rebrand
Will AMD ever learn?

1. is 2X8GB better than 4x4GB? Upgrading my mother board for a usb3.0 in front panel

2. Since i try to browse locally first since im from a 3rd world country, the psu thats almost available for around 50$ is VS550 is it good enough ? i own a 1050 and i3 4170 ( possibly upgrading to i5 haswell)

>>59822614
4x4 is usually cheaper but 2x8 will give you options for upgrades in the future

VS550 is fine, also instead of upgrading the i3 to an i5, I'd recommend you look at upgrading your 1050Ti to something like an RX 470 if you want better performance

>>59822740
im not 4k gaming though i just play cs and fallout a couple of trash games, but i will consider buying a new gpu,

what do you mean upgrades in the future?

im also considering of going i5-6500 ,

my budget is around 400$ converted from local money

Make this-> http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/inspiron-15-7567-laptop/dncwf408s into a pc build.

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>>59822752
For $480 I don't think you will get a "gaming" PC. Sadly if I was you I would try to dame up at least 700 ish. Then you can actually get something that you're not going to have to spend an extra 500 later on to make it better.

Need a high flow 140mm side panel to help a 390x

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0078IWS9I
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00X5FZQBU
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0067LYWF0
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006CSKM20

Leaning towards xigmatec or phantecs. no window case so color and looks don't mattter

If Pc Part picker displays 296 as the estimated wattage, is a 550 watt PSU enough?

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So my old desktop is kicking in and I am thinking of building a new desktop.
How is this?
The stuff I picked are those that are available where I live and cost a bit cheaper than shown.

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>>59815556

I have a 16gb ram piece and another that is 8gb and want to use them to dual channel, they have the same exact specs (same speed, manufacturer etc.)

will this create any problems whatsoever? I mean they are identical aside from one having double the kapacity of the other

>>59823009
>I have a 16gb ram piece and another that is 8gb and want to use them to dual channel
That's unfortunate.

>>59823009
if it posts it will work in flex mode with 8gb of each in dual channel and the odd 8gb in single channel. if it doesnt just take out the 8 and use the 16, sc/dc doesn't matter much

is it stupid to buy a brand new i7 6700k? i really dont want to buy a 7700k and be forced to use windows 10

and no ryzen please, brand loyalty is important to me

>>59823095

alright I will try that

>>59823150

nah fuck the 7700k, they are pretty much the same, the only real difference is that the 770k can overclock higher, but honestly 6700k is just fine for everything

Anybody can recommend a CPU for this incomplete build?

>Purpose: gaming, 1080p

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XccksJ

Is it true that PSU work best between 40% and 60% load?
Then wouldn't buying a 750W PSU for a single GPU build actually make sense since you'll mostly run at 350-400W during gaymen?

>>59823150
They perform essentially the same unless you need the new 4k DRM shit they baked into the iGPU. I think the only issue on windows 7 is that there's no win7 kabylake iGPU drivers, which shouldn't matter if you use a dedicated GPU.

>>59823216
That's true, but the difference between the 'ideal' load and one at either end of the curve is pretty insignificant on today's decent PSUs. We're talking <5% between best and worst case here.

So I have a silencio 352 and a Scythe Mugen 4.

How should I do my airflow? At the moment I have a push and pull configuration, but I'm thinking that the rear exhaust fan of the case is sitting too close to the pull fan on the CPU.

What's the best way to do airflow?

My PC died and I'm building a new one. However I've been out of sync with hardware developmets for 6+ years now, so I'm likely to purchase mismatched components or overspend on stupid shit.

Browsing logicalincrements I've put together that list:
>GPU
GTX1060-6GB - 275€
>CPU
i5 7600K - 270€
>Cooler
NH-U14S - 70€
>Motherboard
GIGABYTE GA-Z270XP-SLI - 160€
>RAM
Crucial CT2K8G4DFD8213 16GB - 110€
>HDD
Seagate BarraCuda 2 TB, ST2000DM006 - 80€
>SSD
Crucial MX300 525GB - 145€
>Power Supply
EVGA 650W SuperNOVA 650 GS Modular - 110€

What I do plan playing on it:
Modded Crusader Kings 2 (modder went overboard with details, needs a good CPU and SSD to not run at a snails pace)
Witcher 3 (doesn't need to be on very high/ultra, although if it's possible to achieve that without too much extra cost, that would be nice)
Rainbow Six Siege
Total War: Warhammer
Various other games games that run on toasters.

I also need a bunch of other stuff (another monitor for dual screen, mouse, keyboard, printer), but those can come later.
Budget including those would be 1500-2000€. Country is Austria.

Any help would be much appreciated.

>>59823194
do you have any budget?
if you dont do any photo or video editing having an fast m.2 does not bring any benifits

if you wont be overclocking 7700 might be good
you can use the stock cooler its good enough
get faster ram 3000mhz atleast, not sure what that motherboard supports, though

>>59823325
What would you recommend instead of the m.2?

I don't plan on OC-ing, thus non-K version. Unfortunately the shop does not offer stock coolers with CPUs.
Is it smart getting 3000MHz RAM if I'm not planning on OC-ing?

>>59823342
>What would you recommend instead of the m.2?
Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
>Unfortunately the shop does not offer stock coolers with CPUs.
212 evo is a cheaper option compared to noctua
>Is it smart getting 3000MHz RAM if I'm not planning on OC-ing?
yeah sure the price premium shouldn't be that much more, though your motherboard does not support anything higher than 2400mhz
not sure why you'd need 16gb too, since you don't edit videos

>>59823190
make sure the psu is unplugged, hit the pwr button a few times, touch the case with your free hand, then start working, don't zap your shit. If it boot loops you will need to reset cmos, or pull the battery for a few mins. theres prob 20 youtubes on this.
>>59823194
change that to a z170, fast ram, and a 6700k and use igp until your 580/8 shows up

>>59823393
The reason why I went for 16GB, nvidia GPU and M.2 is because I do research on neural networks.

I am willing to switch to 3000MHz RAM, but now I need to find MOBO that accomodates both 3GHz RAM and i7-7700.

>>59823410
I assume IGP means integrated graphics. No idea what 580/8 mean.

>>59823495
theres a new gpu coming from amd in few weeks
that should be better than 1060 at a similar price point

also i think amd is better choice for compute perfomance

>>59823536
Unfortunately all the available frameworks run on CUDA and CUDANN.

im on windows 8.1 and planning to buy i5-7400, will it work ? i dont wanna upgrade to windows 10

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What is the best router money can buy, and why

>buying part on a friday
>getting two or one day shipping

fuck all delivery services

the pieces of shit should work on weekends.

I do.

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>>59823800
>two or one day shipping
you are like a little baby, even local delivery takes like 4 work days

>>59823312
Please respond.
If you want me do redo that partlist in pcpartpicker or something, so it's easier to read, let me know.

>>59815556
>PSU at the bottom
I don't get this meme

>>59821101
Doom with Vulkan enabled?

Fuck shit fuck, why are nvme ssd so expensive?

>>59824214
Supply and demand, mostly. Limited use for average buyer.

>>59824214
>45 EUR for 128GB
eh

>>59824239
Link or GTFO.

>>59824246
lurk more

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>>59824256
So they just don't exist then. Thanks dude.

>>59824214
>>59824246
>>59824277
>looking at shit like newegg and amazon
>instead of buying them directly from south gookeria and china

>>59824319
Three posts and still waiting for any proof of an nvme SSD at that price.

>>59815556
Hey, this might be better for the stupid questions thread but what would happen if i installed a radiator in a side of my case with no ventilation? By that I mean the radiator isn't mounted at an intake or exhaust but just up against the chassis so the air is just hitting the case wall. Obviously it's won't be able to exhaust the air but will it still effectively cool the component in the loop? will case temps rise significantly?

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>>59824357
spoonfeed the babby

Can anyone recommend any good parts lists for a £1000 (approx) gaming pc. Looking to play r6seige and play unknown battlegrounds mainly. On 1080p 60fps

>>59823312
Browsing from a laptop that nearly shits itself when browsing 4chan.
Also will consider a R7 1700(X) CPU, although I have no idea if I really "need" it for what I plan to do. Any advice on that would also be appreciated.

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A few years ago I built a relatively high end gaming PC. I've steadily updated parts but I've always kept the same PSU, a Corsair ax1200i.

It's a 1200 watt psu I bough back when I thought buying high end for literally everything was a good idea. My PC's components use around 550 watts of power. Am I burning money in power bills by using it?

Will a 1200 watt PSU draw 1200 watts of electricity when it use. Is it efficient to use when my components only use 550 watts of power and it it worth buying a less powerful psu for efficiency reasons?

>>59824580
>Will a 1200 watt PSU draw 1200 watts of electricity when it use.
Of course not, you goddamn idiot.

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>>59824580
Your PC will only draw as much power as it needs,
but your suspicion is partly true.

Running a PC that draws 10W idle will be less efficient with a 1000W PSU than with a 100W PSU.

PSUs have efficiency curves and it usually drops off near the bottom.

Look at this example. The PSU most efficient at ~25W is the 350W one.

I currently have 430w PSU and I'm looking to build a PC with 1060 6gb. Is the PSU enough for now, when considered other components in this kind of build-price range? Also, until I get more money for a better processor, is g4560 a reasonable CPU to consider as a placeholder? Considering the bottlenecking and money efficiency.

>>59824580
>Am I burning money in power bills by using it?
Only a little, depending on the efficiency, worst case scenario instead of drawing 550W, it will draw 550W~570W, which is completely irrelevant.

>>59824666
Should be enough if you don't have like 10 mechanical hard drives that all start at the same time

Generally sum up your estimated power consumption +25% and you're safe

>>59824681
It's platinum efficiency.

>>59824648
Thanks anon. I think I'm going to invest in a more efficient PSU.

>>59824703
10 mechanical hard drives are a meme, but ~3 + SSD is fine, right? I've calculated the consumption, yet I'm somewhat sceptical.

So, i'm making an Upgrade to my pc. Here's what I'm thinking to buy:

Motherboard: GA-Z170M-D3H DDR4
Processor: Intel Core i5-7600k KabyLake
RAM: HyperX 8GB DDR4 (2400Mhz) // (or maybe 16GB)
GPU: EVGA GTX 970- 4GB RAM (this I already have, so deal with it.)

(You can imagine how much I'm dispose to spend by the specs above)
What do you guys think?
Any suggestions?
Rate me.

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>>59824737
>7600k

>>59824580
Its probably worth to stop being a tech illiterate monkey.

>>59824737
>(this I already have, so deal with it.)
wow rude, why would I help you now

>>59824707
Get 80 Plus Gold or better,
at least if your PC runs 24/7

Example
Let's say a PC runs 24/7 and draws 100W (idle + load average)
and electricity costs $0.15/kWh

At PSU efficiency 80% that would be 125W wall power
At PSU efficiency 70% that would be 143W wall power

Difference 143W - 125W = 18W

18W * 24h * 365 * 0.15$/kWh ~ 24 USD

If the more efficient PSU is less than ~24 USD more expensive, the cost amortizes itself after 1 year.

It's not much but maybe you can appreciate efficiency.

The difference is much larger with European electricity prices. In the EU a efficient PSU almost always pays for itself.

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>>59824516
£1000 is a lot for a 1080p/60fps machine. You could get a 7700 and 1070, 16GB of RAM and an SSD for that if you shop smart, which will max everything at that and then some. Pic related is £1000 for quality components at best prices, just add a case.

>>59824737
What are you using your PC for and what is your budget?

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>>59824737
See in the OP?
Where it says "i5 aren't worthwhile. No exceptions."?

thoughts on the sandisk plus SSD

>>59824818
Just get the Ultra II.

>tfw /pcbg/ will never reply to you

>>59824794
I'm mainly gaming. (So lets focus on that.)
But about the budget... it's hard to say, because I'm from Brazil and the values are very diffent,
but I'll do a very bad conversion here:

MB : GA-Z170M-D3H DDR4 ~U$ 200
PC : i5-7600k ~ U$300
RAM: 8GB ~ U$130 / 16GB ~ U$250

So... my budget is something about : U$800 (for these 3 components)

>>59824729
Purely anecdotal but I ran a 7970, FX6300, two SSDs and 3 HDDs on a Corsair VS350 (acquired used for free) for a couple of years before upgrading.

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>>59824880
>$300 i5
>Z170