/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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>>59804049
>NVMe aren't worth it just for faster OS boot. They're primarily for quicker loading/saving of files for productivity
Consider RAID 0 in place of it if you can get two (cheap) SSD's cheaper for a larger storage size. Pic related Kingston U400
While SSD is fast alone, you will notice a fair difference. Especially in load screens and thumbnail generations should you be an avid shitposter.
Samsung SSD's are fine without RAID 0.
>but if one dies I'll lose all my data
Anon if a SSD dies you're losing data anyways. Yes it is more likely to happen with RAID 0 because of probability. Not the RAID itself.

Note* My 4k reads/writes are low from using a lower stripping size(size of data block set when making the array). 4K is more useful for video editing.

>>59804149
Jesus, advising the average /pcbg/ poster to try RAID. You sadistic bastard.

>>59804149
But why get a Kingston UV400 when the MX300 525gb is cheaper than the Kingston 480GB?

And when it comes to keeping you data, do automated backups.

NVMe can also make a nice scratch disk. They tend to have longer endurance in addition to greater speeds.
Note that the total TBW endurance listed is for the memory itself, but controllers can die faster. 400TBW is still a lot, though.

For the people that switched to water cooling, were/are you paranoid about leaks? Have you gotten some kind of insurance plan for your hardware or are you just hoping for the best?

>>59804280
>they tend to have longer endurance
t. your anus.

>>59804277
Average /pcbg/ poster here, what're the benefits to RAID besides having a unified Drive comprised of multiple smaller ones? Is it healthier for all the the involved drives? What is actually orchestrating the multiple drives?

Can I just ghetto rig a PC case? Like just screw the motherboard onto a wood panel and put a cardboard box over it or some shit?

>>59804306
don't be jealous that I've had more tongues in my anus than you

Is a GeForce 610 okay if I don't care about any game more intensive than Minesweeper?

I just want to hook up an extra monitor and do boring desktop stuff on it.

>>59804320
You should have risers still instead of screwing the motherboard in directly against the wood, but yes you can.

>>59804280
because I bought these four months ago. I only stated what drives were used in that image. Not a recommendation.
Feel free to list SSD's with speeds and price however. I've got no clue what's on the market. Just throwing in my two cents.
>>59804277
Not too hard, and if you fail you still have two SSD's.
>>59804308
There's many types of RAID arrays.
RAID 0 is for speed. The rest is faster and has built in safeguards against data loss. But more so for large storage needs where backups of said data would be costly.
>link to Wikipedia.

>>59804308
RAID is "orchestrating" the drives. Your motherboard probably supports it but for heavy use you can get a PCIe RAID controller. Expensive as fuck for a good one though. What do you mean "unified drive"? Like how are you imagining achieving this?

>>59804330
No, please, keep spreading misinformation. It's funny to see plebs fuck up by trusting what they read on 4chin.

>>59804353
I was talking about the Raid 0 setup and what I read seemed like it was just one "mega drive" in terms of the front-end use. Or am I mistaken and you'd actually get 3 disks displayed in the Windows Explorer GUI (for example)?

>>59804342
integrated GPUs are better than that now days.
And motherboards for them tend to have 2-3 video outputs as well.

>>59804349
The benefits for the average normie user are totally negligible and if you don't think it's "too hard" for the average person coming here for advice, you clearly don't come here that often.

>>59804371
Sorry I misread what you posted and thought you meant "as opposed to a unified drive". RAID 0 splits transfers across the two drives effectively doubling the speed so it's good if you GOTTA GO FAST. Other RAID solutions use various combinations of mirroring and striping for redundancy purposes, i.e. one drive out of 4-5 fails and you can just replace it with a brand new one without any data loss.

>>59804378
The people posting are total idiots, I'll grant you that. But you have to realize there more people around than the IP count.
Setting up a RAID array is less than 10 steps. Download a driver should you need it. Put on a USB. Select RAID mode in bios, link the drives together. insert your OS, when it asks for drivers install the one you need. Click next.
Not to mention better we educate the masses, the more people willing to step up and help a novice out.

>>59804452
Setting up RAID is fine but it's not that hard to fuck it up down the track if you have no idea what you're doing or how it actually works.

>>59804470
How so? AFAIK there's no real issues with RAIDing SSD's. I think partitions on HDD RAID arrays are what fucks people over.

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So my vidya mobo/cpu are ancient and recently a RAM slot broke, so it's finally time to upgrade. I was thinking of getting the new kaby lakes but apparently they don't work well with Windows 7, and I don't want to part with windows 7.

Any advice for what I should upgrade to? Was thinking of an 15 7600K originally

>>59804524
a 3450 to a 7600k is hardly an upgrade considering that ivy bridge overclocking was only software locked so you could still overclock that to like 75-80% of the 7600k overclocked performance.

I'd say you should just get a 3770 and overclock that assuming your board can do so.

7600k aren't worth buying, anyway. Get the 6700k or just get ryzen and suck up manually downloading updates every couple of months.

What the hell? Posters dropped from 9 to 8 after an apparently new person posted.

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is windows 7 still better than windows 10?

im building my first pc and i noticed 7 is 3 times cheaper. whichever i choose does it affect playing games at all?

>>59804561
Google removed a toxic comment.

>>59804563
it depends on what you need for your system.

>>59804563
If you pay for Windows you're probably new. If you pay full price for Windows you're definitely retarded. Get Windows 10 if you want latest support and to play lots of new games.

>>59804563
3 times cheaper?
You can get Windows 10 for about $25.

And I don't know. Windows 10 is technically better, but you have to remove a lot of stuff and disable a lot of services and reskin it and blah blah.
Windows 7 is "comfy".

You could also stop being a fag and instead Linux, and just run Windows 10 through a VM so you hardly ever have to deal with it.

As someone who doesn't really game should it be fine to put everything into the CPU. As in with a budget of around $600 or so, put everything into a 7700k config.

>>59804524
>>59804554
See in the OP where it says "i5 aren't worthwhile. No exceptions." Maybe Google the words "worthwhile" and "no exceptions"?

>>59804628
It's fine but what are you planning on doing to utilize that performance if you don't play muh games?

>>59804304
>Have you gotten some kind of insurance plan for your hardware or are you just hoping for the best?
AIO coolers have a built in warranty, assuming you're not in a Jewd country. Should they fail, the company has to replace damaged hardware.
>just hoping for the best?
Kinda. AIO makers don't want to have failures resulting in hardware damage they have to pay for. So they build them tough.

Custom loops are a different issue. Hose connectors have never really been totally reliable anywhere(t. trades man). But it it doesn't leak in the first 6 hours chances are you're good. As always never power on a PC with a freshly installed loop. Run the pumps without the system on for a testing period, normally overnight with paper towels at all connections.

>>59804628
Why not get a 6700k or a locked 7700?
Or Ryzen for that matter. A 1700 is pretty cheap since it comes with a cooler and you can find sales.

If you have an old graphics card laying around, you can get 1700+motherboard+ram+case+psu+drives for under $600, for sure. Especially if you live near a Microcenter.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/wsLPNN

hey guys, 1st time building pc here. this is what i have to work with. not sure if the expensive motherboard is necessary.. is it?

i plan to overclock the CPU to work as well as i7 6700k. easy ..right?

>>59804626
>You can get Windows 10 for about $25.
Where?

>>59804678
Even getting the cheapest shit for everything and a 1TB Blue HDD, I doubt you'd manage that without waiting for sales.

>>59804732
READ THE FUCKING OP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>59804563
The problem with 7 is that it just isnt compatible with modern hardware. Intel specifically makes it very difficult for users to use Win 7 on their newest chipsets (in my case Skylake). I know because I tried using 7 for months and months and received constant blue screens. Finally I upgraded to 10 just to try it and...it works flawlessly. This is just anecdotal experience I guess but this actually happened to me for a very long time.

>>59804732
That's not how overclocking works. i5s are garbage option right now.

Yes you'd need an "expensive" motherboard if you want to overclock.

>>59804647
Development in general. Reason I was aiming a bit high is for virtual machines
>>59804678
I had chosen that as an example mostly. I was just wondering if that kind of configuration would work well for my use case. I hadn't chosen the specific high end cpu.

>>59804768
If you use VMs enough, get an 8 core Ryzen for sure and spend to get 16GB of good memory and SSD(s).

>>59804768
To clarify, I'm also wondering if I'd have problems with dual 1440p monitors (where my budget is going lmao. Hope im not being retarded) without a dedicated gpu. Nothing graphics intensive except for watching videos sometimes.

How do VMs fare for gaming?

>>59804734
There's quite a few places that seem to sell the 1700 for $30-$50 off, though.
Maybe they've all expired idk.

There's other sales like those newegg giftcards, though they're gone now.

>>59804768
A Ryzen 5 1600 and a used <$50 GPU is probably your best bet to fit that budget.
But the 1700 is probably better suited for you.

>>59804838
lol

>>59804838
Set up properly, it's often only a 1-5% performance loss.

Which makes the 1700 really nice since you can have one person running the "desktop" on 4c/8t, then the other 4c/8t a VM that is streamed to a portable device for much better gaming performance on an ultrabook, tv, or whatever else.

where do you get windows 10 cheap?

>>59804855
I heard ryzen has some strange IOMMU groups that made passthough diffiult

>>59804838
>GPU-passtrough?
Possible improvement in performance, or a small hit to performance depending on how you configure your settings, how you configure WINBLOWS and your specs.
>VM with no GPU-passtrough?
Only good for light ~ below medium gaming

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I asked this last thread but only response was someone else asking the same thing to no answer.

I wanna get a new mousepad to go with my new computer. Using it for gaming and /3/ shit.
Any tips to it or just get whatever?
Is wristgel just a meme or worth it?

>>59804914
Draw your hand and mouse positioning on a mousepad, if you're holding your hand tilted or in a bad way, it could cause damage more than it could fix.

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>>59804926
Just get the OG $1 pad.

>>59804871
Someone will make a patch for them.
And there is one manufacturer that makes boards with proper IOMMU groupings. ASRock, I think?

>>59804914
Why don't you get your
>pic related
one?
Wristgel is okay. But it's better to have a chair with arm rests level with your mouse instead.

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>>59804926
Second "incorrect" position, but not as extreme an angle on the wrist.
Don't twist it right or left too much, but I do usually have my elbow low and arm fairly limp when working (I think it's a bit more like the "correct" position when I get into a game.

My wrist is usually pressing on the edge of my desk, hence why I'm considering wristgel, but wasn't sure if it'd be worthwhile.

>>59804959
just found that pic on google images. Thought it'd get attention more than just a plain post. I don't think I'd have the balls to get a real boob pad.

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>>59804959
>better to have a chair with arm rests
lol. No it's not, you'll just end up leaning all day fucking up your posture.

t, no arm resting guy.

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Pardon the cum dump (Kayla Paige)

So I don't currently have a video card, I'm using the integrated GPU in my 6600k, I was waiting on the release of the 1080 TI before I made up my mind, to either get a TI or a vanilla 1080.

I can't make up my mind to either pick up a FTW3, a TI FE or a custom 1080. The only really limiting factor is I have to get it through amazon, I have a bunch of gift cards.

I am thinking about trading my 4670k straight up for a 4430.
I want VT-d and intel jewed the early Haswell K users by disabling it.

How much of a hit in performance are we talking? I didnt ever overclock it

>>59805045
Wait, why would they do that. My ivy bridge laptop has vt-d

>>59804983
i've been putting it up my butt this whole time

>>59804838
As long as you use a Type-1 Hypervisor that allows PCIe passthrough, you're golden. If you have an overclockable CPU, I'd recommend bumping the frequency by 10% as well as the GPU's core frequency to offset any losses from virtualization.

>>59805045
Why not swap it for a 4790K? The refreshed Devil's Canyon all have VT-d enabled.

>>59805072
To upsell you the Devils Canyon CPUs.

>>59805129
By swap, I mean I actually know someone IRL who would do it.
Im trying to decide if I want to deal with buying used and reselling it

>>59804997
Only get the TI reference if you enjoy ear rape/burning to death.

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>>59805129
>why not swap it for a significantly more expensive model

>>59804912
>>59805107
But can you actually run everything? I'm more worried about actually being able to run all my gaymes than losing 5fps.

>>59805072
>why would they do that
Did you not fucking read?
>Because they're FUCKING JEWS.
Having i7s with vt-d would cut into Xeon sales of CPUs that are virtually identical but almost twice the cost.

Anyway, >>59805045 just go Ryzen and use AMD-Vi.

>>59804997
idk what you're asking us. Are you looking for financial domination?

>>59805178
I'm asking if I should get a 1080 or a 1080 TI.

>>59805178
Not only did they cut VT-d they screwed up their TIMs and they overclocked like dogshit.

Haswell was a mistake

>>59805214
why?
how can we help?

>>59805169
I found some 4790Ks used for $250. As long as you buy them from reputable sellers with demonstrations of the product working, it's fine.

>>59805170
I haven't heard of any significant problems with APIs and drivers inside virtualized environments. VMWare and Citrix usually are on top with their support for graphics cards and drivers, since a lot of places have moved onto virtualized workstations. Remember, the PCI passthrough means that the virtualized system has "native" access to the device, so the drivers for the graphics card are actually for the Hypervisor itself, not the physical machine.

>>59804997
>people here actually jerk off to 3DPD

god, how pathetic

>>59805214
save a lot of money and get an r9 fury

>>59805220
haswell refresh restored vt-d to 4790k and 4690k

>>59805231
What would you do if you were in my shoes?

Anyone know the availability date for the Asus strix rog 1080ti in the Netherlands? Got one on pre-order, but the supplier store is clueless when they might get a shipment.

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>>59805295
>What would you do if you were in my shoes?
give all that money to the cutest trap on twitch, I guess

Where did you guys buy your windows key?

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Just build my first pc, pic related. Anyone know why it's saying only 4GBs for the GPU instead of 8? Is that just a fuck up in speccy or did something go wrong

>>59805399
don't worry, Anon. The human eye can't see past 3.5Gb.

7700k + 1060 6GB

or

??? + RX 480 8GB?

I'm not buying anything Ryzen, too new for my tastes

>>59805389
I bought Win7 Pro OEM like 8 or 9 years ago on Newegg

>>59805380
the honesty made me chuckle. . .

>>59805399

I thought Kaby required win 10?

>>59805448
Maybe they claimed that to try to trick people into getting 10, but it's working fine with 8

>>59805433
why must the 7700k be paired with the 1060? The RX480 is much better price-performance.

>I'm not buying anything Ryzen, too new for my tastes
hipsters are trash

>>59805435
I thought OEM keys were locked to a certain hardware

>>59805448
Supposedly some features will require W10, and earlier versions of Windows won't be supported after this year I believe, but won't be supported isn't really the same as won't work.

>>59805476
It's not a hipster thing, it's a "anything new I've bought has problems" thing. So I just wait a little while until enough people seem to use it fine (RX 480) until I adopt it.

The 7700k doesn't have to be paired with the 1060. I just don't know what I'm doing with the CPU so I just picked one of the best I knew. I don't plan on overclocking and some of these more expensive ones seem like they really need a cooler.

>>59805483
It was actually a "system builder" edition but it's basically OEM. But yeah they were locked to your motherboard. Whenever I upgraded my motherboard I just called MS. You exchange a sequence of numbers which you type into the activation screen.

Now with Windows 10 your key is linked to your MS account so none of that matters anymore.

>>59805483
The fuck are you faggots talking about?

The only thing that happens on Win7 with Kabylake and Ryzen is that windows update won't work so you have to download updates manually.

Stop spreading lies, faggots.

>>59805529
Ryzen has been the smoothest launch of a new platform and arch that I've seen, and I've been building PC's since '01.
But fair enough. If you don't plan to upgrade the CPU in over half a decade, there's no reason not to buy an EoL platform.

>>59805617
>Stop spreading lies, faggots

I'm assuming you clicked the wrong person and meant to reply that to the W10 only with kaby lake person

Is there a downside to having your PSU on the bottom of your case? I'm looking at these Fractal Design cases and while I like the look, some of the layout stuff isn't what I'm used to.

>>59805838
It usually means wasted space at the bottom-middle and bottom-front of your case.
Most people will never install enough hard drives to make up for the extra space there, and there's more optimal ways to make space for more harddrives.
Usually the only optimal use of that space is custom loop water-cooling. But water cooling fits into other layouts just fine.

Bottom mount PSU has come to be expected and is just a meme at this point. Market expectations drive cases to use that layout.
It originally started because the PSU is the most heat-sensitive part of the case, and traditional layouts had them sucking in hot air, lowering efficiency. But simply turning them so they suck in air from an opening in the top or side fixes that.

>>59805922
Could you recommend me a good ATX case with a window, room for an optical bay, and decent airflow (preferably with pre-installed fans)?

I like the look of the Fractal Design Define R5 but it seems huge and the window isn't the full length of the panel. Something like the C or S without the lack of optical bay and a few more internal slots would be perfect.

>>59804867
eBay.

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I like Fractal Design R5 case but it's pretty expensive. Is there another case like it with it's sleek, minimal design and noise dampening capabilities but cheaper? Also, white and windowed is a plus.

>>59806080
hey buddy how about you stop copying me, mmk?

When you guys upgrade, what do you do with the parts that you're replacing? Do you keep them around in case anything breaks? Do you sell them? Do you just toss them out?

>>59804149
Yeah doubling the speed of a Samsung 960 NVMe SSD is best for what…benchmarking basically?

Not to mention the fact that those two M.2 shits basically cut out either 2 SATA ports and a ×4 PCIe 3.0 slot or else 4 SATA ports.

>>59804280
>But why get a Kingston UV400 when the MX300 525gb is cheaper than the Kingston 480GB?

But why get an MX300 when you can get an SU800 even cheaper with better 4k read for those ultra fast boots desu

Do you guys ground yourself when working on/installing components? I've never done it and never had an issue, but I always get paranoid about shocks. Can a little static shock really ruin a mainboard or CPU or something?

>>59806080
$80 is expensive for a high quality case? Here I must have been a sucker all these years with my Lian-Li purchases.

>>59806164
It can, and it's so simple to ground that I can't understand skipping it. It reminds me of people who intentionally skip washing their hands after using the restroom. Weird thanatos shit or something I don't know

>>59806188
So how do you ground yourself PROPERLY and not just via a placebo effect? Insert a copper rod with a wire into your body and plug it into the bottom hole of an outlet so you're grounded to the copper rod in the ground outside?

>>59806217
Just touch a doorknob 20 times and don't shuffle across the carpet on your way back to your fat cave

>>59806222
Fuck you, you projecting gaping asshole. You must be fucking disgusting.

>>59806217
there's a guide about makeshift grounding. Basically make an aluminum foil bracelet, clip a wire from it to your case, and then plug your PSU in but don't turn it on.

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>>59805958
Sadly, no one will make a good compact ATX case.
I guess they figure that anyone who wants something small will go mATX, and they make mATX cases even more compact instead.

The only one that comes to mind is the Cooler Master 360 Elite, but they stopped making those.

Jonsbo probably makes some but those'll be 3x more expensive.

>>59806187
Nope. $80 is cheap for a non-mATX.

>>59806305
What's the disadvantage from going from ATX to mATX? Is it just room for growth? If I only plan on using one GPU and not overclocking everything I suppose I may as well go with the mATX and all of the more compact case options that brings?

>>59804149
>Consider RAID 0 in place of
No don't. You lose features; primarily TRIM, any special software stuff your MFG has (ie samsung ssd magician) and it will offer no noticeable performance gains.

RAID 0 made sense for HDD; but buying the best, largest SSD for your dollar makes more sense than RAID 0, and really nVME

nVME won't make sense until the files you're trying to load are tens of gigabytes.

>>59806217
>how do you ground yourself PROPERLY

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2102-how-to-make-a-cable-ground-yourself-for-building-a-pc

So do things like the MX300 plug directly into the mobo instead of taking up a 2.5" slot? I'm confused what being an M.2 actually means.

>>59806361
He was talking about regular sata SSD's.
Cheep ones at that. Often you can get more storage and near as much performance by RAIDing two drives. Than spending on a large capacity Samsung drive.

Can someone recommend me a good full ATX case with top mounted PSU? I ask because top mounted is easily the most Superior form factor for ATX there is. Can place the desktop on the floor without having to worry about the PSU breathing in dust or carpet it's entire life. I saw the Fractal core 1000, but it's mATX only.

>>59806408
M2 is M2
Sata is Sata

What do you not understand?

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>>59806354
None really?Ly. If you want super compact, you got itx. Plain and simple. mATX is paying full price of an ATX board, with half the pcie slots and a lot of mATX boards a!So like to take away your data connectors and Vrms. If it's like you said, 1 GPU and no overclocking, cheap middle of the raps itx boards could be had for $80 or less. Case in point.

>>59806448
But that's wrong, you fucking faggot. You realize you can get SATA drives in M.2 right?

>>59806354
>What's the disadvantage from going from ATX to mATX?
The only real downside is the lack of options for mATX. Dealing with a mATX board/case can be harder if you're fat fingered (like me).

>>59806408
M.2 is a standard. Many things can plug into an M.2 slot; storage, wifi cards, etc among other things. but yes the drive is about the size of a stick of gum and plugs into the motherboard. Careful though, there are two types of M.2 storage devices; nVME and SSD.

>>59806428
>Often you can get more storage and near as much performance by RAIDing two drives
No and no. the overhead required, the loss of standard SSD features (that are there to lengthen the life of the drive, btw) among other reasons are why RAID 0 SSD isn't a thing. smaller drives are already slower, so you're gaining as much as 70% performance bump going to larger drives anyways.

any pros and cons for bottom / up mounted psus?

>>59806478
>>59806478
>SATA drives in M.2 right
LOL can you?

Those are standards, not drives. You can get SSD's in M.2, vs a PCIe config but the way this is worded is wrong.

>>59806482
>No and no. BRRRAAAAAAPPPPPTTT
That what you're doing. Bringing up irrelevant shit.

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>>59806354
Eh. Growth for what?

mATX can support SLI/CF, but both are things I really recommend not using, especially with scallable architectures coming that'll make it much easier and cheaper to make a single GPU that's more powerful than 2.

You'll have enough room for a GPU and at least one other PCI lane if you want a sound card or something. There's not a whole lot for 99.9999% of people to put in there.

The Jonsbo UMX4 is smaller than most full ATX cases since it has the PSU at the front-top, but it's not cheap.
It still has some extra useful spacing at the bottom for form over function, though. Meh.

>>59806469
1. mATX boards are often cheaper than ATX boards for the same chipset.
2. It's mITX.
3. Middle of the raps isn't a real expression.

>>59806448
>>59806408
M.2 is a connector only. It's up to whether the drive you bought is going to use sata as it's communication method or is it an nvme based drive that will utilize 4 pcie 3.0 lanes.

Drives like the Crucial mX300 and 850 Evo in m.2 format are nothing more than data speed drives using the m.2 connector.

Drives like the Samsung 960 and Intel 600p are nvme based. They'll use pcie lanes to communicate and be close to 8 times faster as a result.

A motherboard that can handle nvme drives can also usually go the other way and also handle sata based m.2 drives. However an older board (like the z/h97 chipset) with an m.2 slot CANNOT handle an nvme based hard drive. Make sure to check your motherboard.

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>>59806501
>>59806501
>Comparing pros and cons of RAID 0 vs larger SSD
>irrelevant
Do you even english?

>>59806495
Airflow relative to your specific setup.

>>59806482
>nVME and SSD
???

>>59806499
No, it's a bus. M.2 is a standard. You can get SSDs in SATA or PCIe. M.2 can carry one or both.

>>59806507
My board kept auto correcting stuff and I've been drinking a little. I'm sorry anon.
Middle of the road*
mITX*
And not all the time e are mATX boards cheaper than their ATX counter parts. My Asus z170 board was $150 new. The Asus mATX version of this board is $160 because lack of availability and lack of demand. If mATX were more popular, maybe it'd be cheaper.

That or it's because it's an overclocking mATX board so really, it's literally my exact board with 2 less pcie slots.

>>59806522
Show some figures. >>59804149 Did with the diskmark.
Show me something. Don't forget price points.

Go argue about the pros and cons of RAID vs a faster SSD in another thread if it's going to go back and forth this much.

Just finished assembly, and booting uo for the first time. Powers on ok, but it's not sending any signal to any monitor I connect to it. What shoudl I do?

>>59806559
There's nothing left to argue. I've done RAID 0 SSD before. then went to a single SSD and noticed no real world benefit from RAID 0.

>>59806540
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-raid-benchmark,3485.html
First thing that showed up when googling 'ssd raid 0 vs ssd single'

>>59806572
How do you know it's powering on "OK" if you can't see display? "Fans spinning" doesn't mean shit. Are you getting beep codes? Have you got a diagnostic speaker?

Power it on and press the power button once. Does it turn off nearly instantly?

>>59806572
What are youplugged into? Onboard graphics or the GPU? What are the system specs? HDMI? DP?

>>59806572
D O A

>>59806572
did you try the onboard gfx? Usually the board will default to external gpu but maybe it didn't in this case?

Am I wasting money buying overclockable components if I don't really plan on ocing? The 7700k seems like a monster even though I probably wont be OCing it. And what's a good CPU cooler for the 7700k? No water cooling.

>>59806582
I use RAID 0 SSDs for storing my 24bit 192Khz WAV vinyl rip collection and I can notice the difference in sound quality so please fuck off.

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>>59806603

>>59806603
nice

>>59806598
Probably, yeah. can save some headache though if you think you'll do it in the future. as for the cooler, the standard cooler master 212 or what not should be fine.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Jn4dcc
Here's my first completed build now that I'm done moving around and finally settled in my place. Any suggestions?

>>59806586
Fans spinning and hear some start up beeps.

>>59806592
It doesnt power off. I'm using a video card, GTX 1050 ti

>>59806596
GTX 1050 ti

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MDdDFd

I want to get this to about the $1000 mark.

This is for gaming, game developement, a blu-ray machine, and a storage for all my movies and shit.

Some of the prices listed aren't accurate. For example, I can get that exact ASUS STRIX ROG RX 480 for about $180 on Amazon right now since I have a gift card, Prime, and there's a rebate.

Anyways, here are my concerns:

>First build, did a decent amount of research but still lacking confidence
>Bought an SSD now with plans to buy a 1-2TB HDD later and another stick of RAM. Did this just to curb initial cost, plus I plan on playing the slow route and buying the parts over time anyways.
>A Ryzen might fight better in this build?
>Am I over/under on the PSU? It estimates about 366W drain and I read somewhere that you should get roughly 100W over the listed wattage but I wasn't sure how much to trust the estimate.

>>59806678
You spent $2000
>1080 not TI
>2 monitors and neither support g-sync
>No SSD
>Dome keyboard
>Cheap chink headset

You probably don't use a tenth of the power you paid for. You could have spent $400-500 and got exactly what you wanted.

>>59806753
If you're actually going to gamedev then your build looks fine. However since you're here asking for advice on how to build a PC you're more than likely not going to game dev because you don't know how. If you're just looking to play games get a cheap i5 or Pentium and don't spend $200 on a motherboard.

>>59806784
I already gamedev. It's an entirely separate skillset from buying and assembling a computer, though. Unless you're taking a jab at me asking for advice, in which case, wouldn't you want to reassurance that you're doing the right thing when it's going to cost you $1000?

Anyways, I'll stick with what I have on that list for now and start price hunting for parts.

>>59806678
anything beyond a 1060/RX480 is overkill for 1080p monitors.

No SSD boot drive? lol the first person ever to benefit from optane XD
also 5TB all on one drive is asking for failure. at the very least those drives should be bought in pairs or more and in RAID1/10/5 Try 2TB.

$400 motherboard and an el-cheapo cpu cooler/memory combo. WTF are you doing?

See >>59806753 as an example of what you should be doing.

>>59806801
1080 isn't overkill if he's using both monitors to game.

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what's a good inexpensive cpu cooler? my new amd cpu is running hot and i need to upgrade but don't want to spend a lot

>>59806854

There aren't many games that support that, and even if you were, a 1070 would work just fine. That entire build was trash, and probably falls under the category of 'trolling'

>>59806753
>mediocre meme cooler
>cheap dogshit RAM with expensive ass delidlake CPU and motherboard
>overpriced RX480. Are these Canadian prices?

Rest looks okay.

>game development
>8GB of ram
lol? I'm a developer and I frequently pass 16GB.
The fuck you developing? >>59806784 ayyy.

>>59806791
> It's an entirely separate skillset from buying and assembling a computer
Yeah if you deal entirely on the last level of abstraction I guess.
When you're using intrinsic functions and doing your own threading, and need to make code efficient enough that you need to know how many cycles each operation takes, you get a decent understanding of hardware. Dude.

>>59806865
One of the Cryorig ones. H5 or C7.

>>59806911
>mediocre meme cooler
People shit on the top two coolers on pc parts pickers here all the time but I'm convinced it's just a contrarian meme. What's a better cooler, then?

>cheap dogshit RAM with expensive ass delidlake CPU and motherboard
And what's dogshit about the RAM? The z270 only supports up to 2400Mhz. I also said in my original post I was planning to expand it. I know I'm going to need 16GB and beyond eventually but didn't feel like adding it to this total.

>overpriced RX480. Are these Canadian prices?
Alright "Dude" did you even read my post?

How the gay am I supposed to hook up my CPU radiator / fans. Cooler manual says to just hook them into anything lol. Everyone online says I have to hook them into very specific headers (everyone says different headers) and adjust settings in BIOS and CPU will be instantly fried if I fuck anything up because pump needs 100% power at all times and fans can't be on CPU_OPT since that will be the same thing and they'll be 100% all the time and the end of the world will occur.

But the manual says just hook them into anything. Doesn't the pump know it needs to run at 100%? Fucking shit. CPU_FAN and CPU_OPT are allegedly linked.

Just figured out I can't salvage anything from my old PC.

I can't make up my mind between i5 + 1080 or i5 + 1060 for gaming

>>59806946
why you don't you just plug it in to anything and then change the speed in the BIOS?

>>59806949
i7/ryzen7 + 1080
ryzen5 + 1060

>>59806941
You misspelled 4133MHz RAM when referencing the Z270's maximum supported speed.

>>59806961
Because then it will be underpowered and simply turning on the PC will burn out the CPU and burn down my house

>>59806986
>Manual mode
>Change the voltage

Hur but it's underpowered

>>59806941
Also your 2400 MHz RAM is a single stick and thus running at 1200 MHz.

>>59806979
I'm pretty sure the "maximum" speed without oc is 2400MHz but I realize I did type that poorly.

>>59806941
>What's a better cooler, then?
why don't you google a review for it, see comparisons, and see coolers that are quieter, cool better, and similarly priced.

It was good FIVE YEARS AGO but has been surpassed by tons of coolers.

Most of these tests are flawed, anyway. Best is to compare heatsinks all with the same fan. Then you add on the quietest and best performing fan to that heatsink.

>Alright "Dude" did you even read my post?
I shouldn't need to. You should have clicked the cog icon to edit the price to $180 to make it obvious since you're a very smart programmer, dude.

>>59806949
>considering spending all that money for a 1080
>also considering an i5
what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>59807031
>>also considering an i5
oh fuck off you AMD cuck

>>59807048
AMDong

>>59807048
ayyy he thinks it has anything to do with AMD and not that he's the one being cucked by jews into thinking any i5 is worth a shit.

>>59807048
Not him but straight from the OP:

>i5 aren't worthwhile. No exceptions. Get Ryzen 5, drop down to G4560, or up to i7

>>59807048
i5 will bottleneck a 1080

>>59804049

>G4560

stop spreading this meme and check the actual places its available and the cost its going for

the 4600 is the only widely avalible CPU and cheapest and coolest running 4 logical processor avalible

the only places right now (Even after backorder ETA) that 4560 is, is close to $80 after shipping/tax

Starting a fresh build. I'd like some advice.

>State the PURPOSE of your PC

I'm a software dev, but I have my laptop running Linux for programming stuff. This PC will run Win10 and be just for gaming.

>BUDGET

CHF 1800 = USD 1800

>State COUNTRY if not USA.

Switzerland

>List which GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often.

I haven't actually gamed (in the real sense) in the past few years. I mostly play Civ6, Factorio, Battlefield One, and games like that.

>List resolution & hz if gaming.

1440p is a minimum. 144Hz sounds pretty sweet, but I'd be open to getting other stuff too.

>What I need

I need everything, from the power component, to the monitor, mouse, keyboard. Everything. 2000 USD budget.

Thanks!

What's a good 1080P monitor? I'm looking for one that I can buy 3 of and make a sort of panorama with.

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Cqwcjc

Canuck friend just built this PC, it turned out okay. The only real flaw was that the motherboard turned out to be overkill (a much cheaper B250 ASRock board came out a week after parts were ordered) and the case is dogshit. No cable management system at all. I don't know why they cheaped out so hard on the case but it is what it is. Original plan was to use G4560 but it was on back order everywhere. The RX 470 came to $180 CAD with a rebate which isn't bad.

>>59804733
kinguin

>>59807106
I've seen it available for $60 for the past week fine.

>>59807115
>reddit formatting
Make a cheap 1700 build and use the left over to get a Dell UP3017
The monitor is $830 US. Not sure what it is for you.

Though an RX470 might be more than you'll use since you game much, that's still probably the minimum you should get, especially at that resolution.

>>59807175
Looks good, but yeah I would have at least gotten the Rosewill SRM-01 and a semi-modular powersupply like the Seasonic 450RM

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/Fz2kcf,MwW9TW/

What makes a BLACK SERIES so much more expensive?

Is an i5 2400 still good for gaymes?

>>59807358
What kind of games? What kind of resolution? Do you want to play on max settings?

>>59807358
Newer games? No, it's a stutterfest. All i5s are. Even a 5Ghz 7600k will routinely drop under 60fps even in a sterile benchmarking environment with nothing running in the background on so many games from the past few years.

>>59807343
It suppose to be better quality and comes with a 5 year warranty, blue only comes with 2 years.

>2017
>STILL no gpu worth upgrading from a HD7870
What went wrong?

>>59807399
Vega will be worth it, I'm fairly certain.

I'm still sitting on a 7970 myself. Still runs pretty much anything at 60fps+ with a bit of an overclock. Literally the only problem is the heat output.

whatss a good manufacturer for an rx 480 8GB? MSI, asus? does it even matter?

So I've changed my server build list from http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Rayor/saved/Fj4mGX to http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Rayor/saved/j2NFTW
This seems like a big improvement for a relatively small increase in cost. This is mainly for a Plex or Emby server and should handle transcoding 2-3 1080p videos comfortably.

>>59807549
people say MSI is the best, but you can honestly just pick the best deal.

I bought Sapphire nitro oc+, so far so good.

>>59807549
I'm a Sapphire guy when it comes to AMD but these days there isn't too much of a difference between them all. Go for whatever is cheapest.

>>59807592
some guy in the last thread was shitting on MSI motherboards but i guess they're better at gpus then

>>59807115
Anybody else?

>>59807115
>>59807115

>>59807601
pretty much yeah. but MSI made very good job with their B350 Tomohawk board for am4

would an i7 3920k, 24GB ram, and a GTX 950 be good for a home server PC that'd have anywhere between 2-8 people accessing it near-constantly?
the drives I have for it are
>2x Samsung 840 Pro 256GB in (probably) RAID0
>3x 2TB Hitachi 7200RPM drives
>3x 4TB WD Caviar Black (128MB Cache)
not sure what motherboard I'd go for, and not sure if there are motherboards capable of the 8 current drives I have, or any more for future drives

I'm thinking of buying a Biostar AM4 board. Try and stop me.

>>59807549
XFR GTR is unquestionably the best one.
But its extra like 8% performance isn't worth it costing 20% more.

>>59807663
It's power usage is going to be quite high.
You mean 3930k, right? It does have Vt-d support at least, it seems.

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My 7700K and its iGPU can play most games at 60-100FPS, for some I can in Ultra and for others I prefer just lowering everything. My temps so far have spiked to 68°C maximum, but it's just spikes, generally it's more or less 55-60°C when gayming I would say and I'm pretty sure those spikes are rare or only happening when Windows 10 decide to do shit.

My two questions are,
1 • When I'll buy a GPU, will I get lower temps since the iGPU will be deactivated? I wonder about this, all I know so far is that HWMonitor has a temp for the iGPU apparently (35°C idle 45°C load/max).
2 • When playing a game I'm currently playing in low settings like Heroes of the Storm, when I'll play it in Ultra, will it increase my temps or not? I know this might be a stupid question but wouldn't the GPU handle most of this anyway?

For those wondering I'm using a Cryorig H7 with Arctic MX-2 thermal paste. The max temps I saw when I used OCCT and I think it was 75°C. I'm still on stock settings and have set 1.250 vcore, could most likely lower it again to get even better temps. Pretty happy so far considering everyone seems to complain about it being a housefire.

>>59807895
Yes, the intel IGPU is less perf/watt than Polaris.
It will help your DRAM temps as well.

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used this as my primary and only computer the last 9 years. just built a 12 core hackintosh last week. roast me

>>59807895

Are you aware that - depending on load - using the igpu can cause your cpu frequency to throttle down to keep the whole chip within its TDP?

What's with all the i5 hate? I'm looking to build my first pc for about £600 and trying to decide on a cpu to go with an amd radeon 480. I've had a look at a few reviews and they say the i5 and ryzen 5 mostly have comparable performance if the ryzen 5 is overclocked. I have no idea if I'm going to oc so is the i5 better for me?

>>59808035

The Ryzen R5s basically invalidate the entire purpose of an i5 existing.

>>59808035
The performance isn't compareable.

Yeah, sometimes the i5 will be at 90% cpu utilization with the RX480 at 100% gpu utilization, but the R5 is going to be at 45-65% utilization in the same case leaving plenty of CPU to spare for other applications and to not be bottlenecking still when you upgrade your GPU.

The i5s simply do not perform well enough for their costs. The Ryzen 5s do. The i5s much more often stutter and drop under 60fps.

>>59807920
I see. So it'll be cooler?

>>59808013
HWiNFO never informed me of any throttling whatsoever since I built my computer. I'm not overusing it or anything by the way, haven't played any AAA games or anything like that so far. From the benchs I did so far my CPU is as powerful as it should be, too.

>>59808148
It will definitely make the CPU cooler.
The only thing that's iffy is that GDDR5 uses quite a pit of power and thus puts out a bit of heat. HBM a lot less.

Many newer GPUs will run totally fanless at idle, still.

Any suggestions before I press Checkout?

Any codes I can use?


Also, there's a $115 RX 470 (with promo code) on Newegg right now.

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>>59808340
Forgot image.

Getting a 1500X on Tuesday.

>>59808267
Got it thanks.

Waiting for a RX580 probably at the moment. That or a 1070 if I can get one for cheap.

>>59808110
>>59808090
Thanks guys.

What's the best case I can get for $200?

>>59808348
$170 is a shitload of money for a 4GB RX480.
Mobo is fine.

>>59808357
I don't think 1070 are worth it unless under like $275. The exception is if you're playing on a 144hz monitor, must play on max settings, and the 1070 is the cheapest that'll stay over 144fps minimum like on Overwatch. Otherwise its price-performance just isn't that good when you get a $110-$135 RX470 that gets 90-110fps on Overwatch for 1/3rd the cost.

>>59808416
Jonsbo VR2, I guess. But it's not perfect. None of them are. You have to do modding with power tools to get the perfect case.

>>59808395

Bear in mind a lot of cpu reviews - or hardware reviews in general focused on desktop stuff - are done with very minimal installs of windows with very little running in the background. This is great for testing purposes but it isn't quite real world usage (which is something you can't test as everyone's usage case is different).

>>59808471
>$170 is a shitload of money for a 4GB RX480.
And what do you suggest, then? This is the best deal that exists.

>>59808471
So what do you think abut this $120 470 then? The reviews on Newegg say it's shit, but it's cheap.

>>59808484
I'd suggest you get a 4GB RX470. It's like 93% the performance for like 70% the cost, right?

Idk. For some reason RX480 prices have skyrocketed the past week.
I guess tons of people suddenly getting them for their all-AMD builds since Ryzen seems to work far better with an AMD GPU in over 90% of titles.

>>59808496
You didn't give a link, but as long as it's not a Powercolor non-red devil, it should be fine.

>>59808479
Yep.
They should really include average CPU utilization in benchmarks.

Is 1060/3GB or RX480/4GB worth it or not?

>>59808517
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131705

Sorry. It's a Powercolor Red Dragon.
Like I said, reviews say its shit.

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>>59808527

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>>59808527
buy a 4gb 480 and download more ram

>>59808565
>download more ram

Planning to get RX 470, XFX or Sapphire?

>>59808585

You don't?

http://www.downloadmoreram.com/download.html

>>59808850

I bet something like an 1800x is faster than those two combined.

>>59804049
Gaymen-wise, Is the 1700 a better investment for the future compared to a 7700k?

>>59808864
yes. but the hole system costs less than 250 dollars.
baught the hp z600, but now im upgrading to some server board so that i can watercool them both, and then buy 2 x5675 so that i get 12 cores.

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>>59808893
>hole system
so you stick your dick in that?

>>59808870
The AM4 platform likely is.
That CPU itself? No it's not going to magically get better at older games, though it does play them good enough.
And it's still the better buy overall in most cases.

But there's still going to be new games that come out that are better on the 7700k like they were on the 6900k, too.

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Rate my first build, /g/.

>>59808989
Don't waste people's time with bait when they're trying to help other's with builds.

You're not making anyone mad or triggering them. They just roll their eyes at you.

>>59808989
too much ram, get like 16bg's of ram and get better cooling so that u can overclock better.

>>59809005
stfu

>>59809005

Yeah, I was just thinking it was too much myself. Thanks for actually being helpful, and not acting like a triggered autist.

>>59809003
Sometime people make these things called jokes

Is usb 3.1 a meme?

>>59807780
oh yeah, I meant 3930k, and power usage isn't a huge problem, got a decent deal with solar panels through my electricity company, and since installing them, my power bill got cut to $0, and I only pay reduced fees on any excess use

Can I improve my computer while I wait for Ryzen/Vega or it's just too old?

AMD Phenom 2 x4 955 BE + HD Radeon 5870 (1GB DDR5)

I never tried Overclocking besides the "auto" setting from AMD drivers, but it doesn't seem to improve anything. I have a big non-stock cooler for both the CPU and GPU, but cheap generic thermal paste, Should I try?

What the fuck, why is ram so fucking expensive now, what the fuck happened?

>>59810026
the CPU is worse than the GPU there, I think.

>>59810076
smart phones.

>>59810026

Go into your bios and start overclocking that cpu.

>tfw AMD shills killed this board

>>59810197
>waaaaahhhh no more echo chamber
>waaaaahhhh people finally stopped doing GPU bottlenecked benchmarks that were covering up how bad the i5s really were.

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>>59810076
>mfw ECC RAM prices are dropping like a fucking nuke

What's a good 500GB SSD that doesn't break the bank? I like the Samusung drives but they're a bit too expensive for me.

>>59810768
MX300

>>59810417

>covering up how bad the i5s really were.

The writing has been on the wall for quite a while but /g/ still kept suggesting everyone should buy an i5. AMD has basically invalidated every intel chip from the 7700 (not 7700K) and below until you hit the pentium.


>>59810662

I wonder what is causing it - you'd think with ryzen prices would rise (admittedly no board supports ECC yet but the cpus do).

Redpill me on M.2 SSDs.

>>59810920

If you need to ask about it benefitting you then you don't need it. If you do the sort of work that an M.2 drive really benefits you already know this and thus don't need to ask.

tl;dr "no"

>>59810948
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167411
It's not THAT expensive compared to a classic SSD, where is the catch?

>>59811008
Does your mobo have an M.2 slot?

>>59811022
Of course, I wouldn't be asking otherwise.

Goal: Get high FPS during Shadowplay/GeForce experience game capture recording of DOTA2 replays for uploading to YouTube.
Currently I get only 60-80 FPS, but down to 45-55 during teamfights. I also have some framedrops I'd really want to get rid of. I dont want to change my motherboard since I dont want to reinstall all my programs. Any cheap components I could add/replace to get better FPS during recording? What about overclocking?

CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor
MOTHERBOARD: Asus M4A87TD/USB3 ATX AM3 Motherboard
VIDEO CARD: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card
OTHER: 4x2 GB of RAM. Windows 10 on SSD. 2x1TB HDDs for recording and dota2 software.

P.S. I bought a Noctua NH-D14 cpu fan, but whenever I install it the cpu wont boot. Only flickers some power lights for 0.5 seconds. When I replace it with the old fan it boots. There new fan is not touching anything, and I tried installing the fan power on multipole different fan headers, but nothing helps. Even tried to plug the old fan in the cpu_fan header at the same time as having the new fan installed, but didnt work either.

>>59811043
Get a new CPU.

>>59811077
But then I need a new motherboard, right? Or are there any AM3 CPUs that would be a significant improment over my current?

>>59811022
>>59811038
I'm curious about this as well. M.2 just seems faster overall if you have the slot for it? And the MX300 is the same price for either version so what're the disadvantages to the M.2 version?

>>59811008

> where is the catch?

In theory there isn't other than it eating some pcie lanes. Just make sure it actually plays nicely with windows if you want to use it as a boot drive (lol).

>>59811176
I know nothing about M. 2 and only found out about it a few weeks about when thinking about a new build.

Is it essentially just another type of SSD? When you install one (if you use windows), is it treated like another hard drive you can save stuff to or install stuff on?

>>59811115

Problem is the AM3+ chips are generally very thirsty and most AM3 boards aren't built to handle the pwoer draw. If you were to go this route though (and assuming your board has a bios update to ensure the new chip works) I would look at either the 8320e or 8370e. The main difference is clockspeed - if you know how to overclock get the 8320e and clock it up to what the 8370e runs at. If you cannot into overclocking get the 8370e.

I suggest those two specifically because of their lower power draw compared to the non 'e' chips. As ever, do your own research.

>>59811221

M.2 is just a really fucking fast SSD because it isn't being held back by crappy SATA limitations. That said for 99% of people SATA isn't holding back an ssd anyway.

whats a good laptop to game, render, and do other shit with? for a $1,000~$1,500 price range

>>59811285
>M.2 is just a really fucking fast SSD because it isn't being held back by crappy SATA limitations.
wrong

>>59811285
So PCI-E SSD > M.2 SSD > 2.5" SATA SSD?

I might be confused about the physical M.2 slot, though. A PCIe SSD plugs directly into a PCIe slot, right? The M.2 is just a standard port with a smaller size?

>>59811176
>And the MX300 is the same price for either version so what're the disadvantages to the M.2 version?
It's not an NVMe SSD and it eats up two SATA ports. They're also usually more expensive than their 2.5" version because "muh commodity"

>>59811369
No, a PCIe SSD and M.2 SSD are almost always using the same NVMe protocol and bandwidth (PCIe3.0 x4), with the exception of any SSD made before 2015. You can buy a PCIe adapter for an M.2 card and it will perform identically, since it's literally just a board with direct pathways from the M.2 connector with almost nothing else on it.

So PCIe SSD = M.2 NVME SSD > M.2 ACHI > M.2 SATA = mSATA SSD = SATA SSD > SATADOM > Flash Drive

>>59811418
I'm still confused on it

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/34Nypg/crucial-mx300-525gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ct525mx300ssd4

That's an example of an M.2 drive and that looks like a m+b configuration to me. However, I can't seem to find out what determines if a mobo supports m+b or just b or m. Some designate "socket type M"" but other only say M.2

Anyways, where is it indicated that that takes up 2x SATA ports?

And I guess the way to look at it is if you're interested in M.2 shit you might as well get something using NVMe protocol otherwise it isn't worth your while?

what is /pcbg/'s opinion on second hand parts

>>59811525
>m+b
Almost always SATA. There are only two drives I can remember, a Kingston and a Plextor, that weren't SATA but still used the M+B key because they used PCIe Gen2 x2 lanes instead of the current PCIe Gen3 x4
>Anyways, where is it indicated that that takes up 2x SATA ports?
Look up your motherboard's specifications. It should state that occupying the M.2 slot with a SATA device will remove one or two SATA ports on the motherboard (usually the ports designated for SATA Express).
>you might as well get something using NVMe protocol otherwise it isn't worth your while?
Pretty much. No one makes AHCI M.2 SSDs anymore and SATA M.2s are a waste of ports and bandwidth (it has to occupy two SATA ports because those ports are almost always tied to the SATA Express functionality of the board. SATA Express is a dead standard at this point). They're no faster than the 2.5" SATA SSDs, but they usually have a cost premium for "convenience".

>>59811348
>gaming
>laptop
Choose one.

>>59811583
Alright so then if you don't mind spoonfeeding, what's a good NVMe SSD? I see the Samsung 960 everywhere but it's kind of up there in price. I guess that's understandable given what it does but is there another reliable brand with a lower price point?

Also, do these things handle dual booting well? I was going to dual boot Windows and a linux Distro and wanted roughly a 500GB drive to keep all my OS + main applications on.

And Is backing up a SSD to raided HDDs daily a healthy practice if you can afford it? Some anons earlier mentioned how SSDs wear under read/write operations.

>>59811641
Intel 600p gets a lot of shit for not being as fast as the other NVMe SSDs, but it's pretty solid for most applications people use (i.e. gaymen). The MyDigital BPX, ADATA XPG, and Plextor MP8e are good, even if they're not as good as the cheapest Samsung 960 EVO. But seeing as how the ADATA and Plextor are within touching distance of the 960 EVO's pricetag, there is no point in considering them unless you got them on sale for under $210. The Patriot Hellfire is basically the same as the MyDigital BPX, but with less capacity and a higher pricetag.

>>59811693
Yeah it looks like the 960 EVO is one of the best price/performance NVMe cards out there. I guess I might consider cutting down to 250GB to save on cost.

>>59811734
>I guess I might consider cutting down to 250GB to save on cost.
Then buy the higher capacity BPX or XPG instead. The write speeds on the 960 EVO drops like a rock after I think 16GB of continuous writes due to it running out of SLC cache and writing directly to the TLC NANDs. You're better off with more capacity anyway, since I think the 512GB BPX and XPG have slightly higher read/write IOPS than the 250GB Samsung 960 EVO, which you can notice if you're loading games or applications off of it while writing onto the drive at the same time.

Which RX 480 is the best one out there?
HIS IceQ X2 OC
MSI Armor OC
Powercolor
XFX RS
ASUS ROG Strix 8G
Gigabyte Windforce
Gigabyte G1 Gaming
XFX GTR
MSI Gaming X
ASUS Strix OC
These are sorted by price ranging between 225€ and 285€.

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why can't ryzen 5 come out today

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>>59811882
I know how you feel. Why must it come out in the middle of the week?

>>59811857
see
>>59807773
>>59807599
>>59807592

What's the cheapest GPU that I can throw into an old PC for 4k web browsing?

>>59811857
Remove the HIS and PowerColor from the list while you're at it.

>>59811906
My Pentium N3700 can do 4K/30fps output just fine

>>59811882
>>59811895
https://www.ebay.com/itm/292070787421

>>59811925
But I want the 1500X from a reputable seller.

I've had my friend's old PC for a couple of years now. It had a GTX 470 that died recently, is the rest of the PC still good to go if I just replace the GPU with something better? If so, any ideas on what range of GPUs I should be looking at?
My budget is something like 500€, can go over it if it's worthwhile. Most demanding thing I'm planning on running is Tekken 7. I can wait for it to come out if it makes more sense to see benchmarks first.
Here's what I have, thanks for any help: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MN78vV

I don't understand why the H100i v2 cooler gets ragged on. My 6600K is running at 4.5 GHz and the idle temperature is 32 C.

>>59811947
Because it's not making nocturna money.

>>59811936
the people selling the 1500x look pretty reputable to me

>>59811923
PC in question has an i5 2500k on a Z68 board, the iGPU doesn't even support 4K output. 4K 30 youtube videos run fine, but 4k 60 is too much, about 1/3 frames are dropped.

No way to export that to a monitor with the outdated ports anyway.

>>59811977
Thank you, but I'd prefer to work with a reputable store not called "mp3superstore" in the event it ships DOA or needs to be returned for whatever reason.

>>59811940


Get some faster ram and spend the rest on a gpu. You best also be overclocking that cpu.

>>59811947

>idle temps
>mattering for good cooling

One day you'll realise you overspent to get performance equal to the big air coolers (R1 uiltimate, D15, silver arrow and whatnot). The only cpu that really benefits from an AIO over big air is the 9590.

>>59812031
On average, how many hours per day do you spend trying to rationalize your purchase of a noisy, bulky CPU air cooler?

>>59811993
GTX 710 can output at 4K/60

>>59812092

>noisy

Lol

>bulky

You do realise those big towers have similar mass to those 240 AIO units right?

>>59812137
>n-nuh uh

Good post.

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It finally came in, much smaller than I expected, but that's good, going to install it now!

Please, help me build my first PC!

I made a post on /buildapceforme/ but apparently no one wants to help...

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcforme/comments/64dve5/build_my_first_pc_for_me_pretty_please_build_it/

>>59812161
Fuck off

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>>59812161
Go back and stay there.

Coffelake or Skylake X? 6 core versions.
Also whats better? https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814487265 Or https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814125875

>>59812158
What is it? Remote control start?

>>59812168
>>59812169
i am honestly confused.
what'd i do???

>>59812158
WHAT IS THAT

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>>59812161
GET OUT.
REEEEEEEEEE

>>59812203
>>59812247
>hurr durr i can't tell what it is despite the picture quite clearly showing a power and reset header with a remote control

>>59812203
>>59812247
I'd guess it's the Anon who wanted a remote power button because his cat kept stepping on it.

>>59812258
Is it really a remote control starter for your PC?

Good lord.

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>>59812203
>>59812247
>>59812258
>>59812264
>>59812269
Yep, remote power/reset. It worked! now I can get rid of pic related

>>59812305
>not just modifying it to be more resistant to force

>>59812448
that's what I did before, see the cardboard and tape? now I can shutdown from across the room, it was only like $17

>>59812161
Here you go:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Q69rXH

Now go back where you came from, normie. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Whats the most reliable power supply for a budget mATX build under 50$?

Should I get a hard drive for 50$ or a 240 gb ssd for 70$, cant have both but will buy one later.

>>59812502
I meant like making they keyboard require more force to be applied before it goes down.

>>59812631
Cheapest one I'd realistically look at is:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TgW9TW/seasonic-power-supply-m12ii520bronze

But you're looking at about $60 shipped there. If you don't mind sacrificing modularity then:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fZyFf7/seasonic-power-supply-s12ii520bronze

>>59812681
If this is the initial storage medium for your build, choose the SSD. If you've an SSD already then go with the HDD.

>>59812631
newegg refurbished, ebay. PSUs are robust so you shouldn't worry about buying used.

>>59812631
seasonic m12II 430 or 520

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hi /g/

Hows this build? It's purely for gaming. I play almost exclusively single player offline games, so no streaming or anything of that sort.

I also have no intentions of overclocking.

Posted build here yesterday and made some changes.

>>59812970
>Posting this bait again.
Please stop it, anon. Nobody is 'rustled' we're just sick of you wasting everyone's time.

>>59808870

its 40% slower in ST, theres nothing that will change that, AMD isnt close

>>59813147
More than 40% slower. Ryzen is barely even at Sandy Bridge's ST performance. An overclocked 4-core i7-7700K can monster even an eight-core Ryzen at multi-threaded tasks too. AMD overhyped and under-delivered again.

>>59813182

im talking about the 1700x, i just checked logical incriments

>>59812970
Get a Pentium
Wont need watercooling with pentium
Get a cheaper motherboard
AMD graphics is you're only going to be 1080p gaming

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>>59804049
This fell out of my psu from a 2005 gateway PC. Should I be concerned?

>>59813251
That it fell out or that you were stupid enough to buy a gateway PC?

>>59813207
The 1700X is about as powerful as the old Pentium G2140 in single-threaded benchmarks. Overclock the i7-7700K to 5.0GHz and you'll get similar multi-threaded performance as the 1700X too. It's total shit, m8. Buy a 7700K.

>>59813267
It's an old PC I took apart some time ago. It might of been there all this time maybe when we used it.

>>59813280

its the best overall for MT usage, but jewish incriments still has the autistically priced 6700k and 6750x listed as reference

>>59813385
>its the best overall for MT usage
lol no it's not. That's a straight up fucking lie. A 7700K at 5.0GHz compiles faster than the 1700X full stop. The 7700K transcodes to HVEC faster than the 1700X by almost 30 secons. The 7700K renders to 1080p and 1440p in Adobe After Effects CC faster than the 1700X. The 1700X is a fucking joke and rip-off. AMD should be sued for false advertising for all the bullshit benchmarks they were showing off about the Zen architecture.

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>>59813442

>>59813442

you know theres more to CPUs than just gaming and encoding your shitty youtube video right?

>>59813442
t. butthurt 7700k user

Reccomended ssd for a budget build?

>>59813759

PNY 120 or 240 whatever sizes

Full setup without cpu or gpu (waiting for 18th)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4LkJZ8
Any reccomendations?

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Left or right for a low power consumption desktop built specifically for data reliability and heat. Would more drives with a (slightly) higher failure rate be better than less drives with a low failure rate?

Also, I'd be transporting this desktop (offline) between different altitudes at various times; 10k feet down to sea level on a semi-regular basis. Would the helium drives survive this, or should I go with the Ultrastars anyway?

my friend wants this http://h20386.www2.hp.com/CanadaStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=X6F76AA&opt=ABL&sel=DTP&lang=en-CA&jumpID=ps_r11638_ca%2Fen%2Fhho%2Fpsg%2Fhpstore-googlemerchant_ot_aff_pu_ds_X6F76AA%2Ffeed_str%2Fdt&k_clickid=EMEA%7C_kenshoo_clickid_&kpid=X6F76AA&gclid=Cj0KEQjwt6fHBRDtm9O8xPPHq4gBEiQAdxotvEQx4hR9GU9a95zHI54BMqGK_ogL8IFgF_4EOhN2qDEaArzS8P8HAQ is there any better for around the same price

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Why does speccy say my gpu only has 2gb ram?

>>59813442
wow you're saying an overclocked CPU beats a non overclocked CPU??
CALL THE BOLICE

I just realized this motherfucker won't have wifi

What's the best wifi solution? USB dongle?

>>59814096
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FBZJZ8
Comes with monitor/kb/mouse, much more powerful, sexier case, all for $1000 less

Is there a way I can install windows 10 on a new pc with something like this?
https://www.amazon.com/Windows-Install-Reinstall-Recovery-WNYPC/dp/B06XY71LS9/ref=sr_1_6?s=software&ie=UTF8&qid=1491767185&sr=1-6&keywords=Windows+10

Is the asus b350 board any good?

I heard people talking shit about here before but its so cheap on amazon.

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>>59814518
>its so cheap on amazon.
I bought it for this reason, and they offered free same day shipping. It has been good so far, although I am not an experienced overclocker. I updated the BIOS, and they have come up with BIOS updates very quickly. Waiting for the AGESA update to come out of BIOS, then I'll be flashing that.

I could not get my Corsair Vengance LPX to run the rated 3200mhz without crashes, so hopefully this will take care of it.

>>59814099

Speccy says a lot of things.

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how big of a difference will i see between a overclocked i7 7700k and a regular stock i7 7700k?
should i spend the extra dosh if i only play on 1080p with maybe an upgrade to 2k in the future?
also which mobo and ram speeds would you suggest me to pair with them?

>>59814598
>delid meme

>>59814587

How high can you go with your ram? 2666?