/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

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>>59800603

redpill me on the dell e6440.

apparently, it's the only haswell business laptop with a socketed cpu and newer versions can use a fhd ips panels.

is it the secret goat? considering the x40 and x50 series were trash

>>59800653
>apparently, it's the only haswell business laptop with a socketed cpu
>what is the T440p

>>59800603
t450 or t440?

>>59800687
the lenovo *40 series were garbage

>>59800814
You are doing it wrong.

Is there a screen larger than 1280x800 that will work an an x200?

>>59800899
x200s came in 1440x900 i believe

>>59800910
True. I think you can transfer tthe panel to a regular X200

Anon with a broken X220 screen lid from a couple threads ago here.

I tried glue, left it for a day like the glue instructions say, now I tried opening the lid "normally" without being particularly careful or gentle and immediately the glued joint snapped. So looks like I'll have to replace the entire lid cover.

What are the options for a UK-fag to get a cheap part? It's literally a piece of plastic and goes on ebay for 1/3 to 1/4 the cost of an entire laptop. Are there other outlets where I can hunt around?

Then there's this guy: http://www.ebay.com/itm/222411885440, which is 8 times cheaper than literally everything else. With shipping it's still over 2x cheaper, but the huge price difference between that and every other listing makes me wary. Any advice? This lid is driving me nuts.

>>59801019
that listing is a skin for the lid cover, not the lid cover itself

Which Thinkpads from this guide:
http://ktgee.net/post/49423737148/thinkpad-guide
have a soldered CPU? I want to avoid them.

>>59801064
any x series
T440
T540
T550
t410s
t420s
t430s (pretty much any with the s suffix)

>>59801082
So you have better battery life but higher CPU temperature with the X series?

>>59801058
Apparently I am unable to read. Thanks anon.

So does that mean I will have to shell out £40 to get a proper sturdy lid that doesn't flex for miles whenever I open it?
Surely there are some options. Is it possible to purchase the part from Lenovo or something?

>>59801064
>>59801082

How long can you even upgrade the CPUs? What's the point in going for specifically for a socketed CPU when you can only upgrade once? Unless I'm wrong of course, I don't think you can just keep upgrading it.

>>59800943
Will I need anything extra to make it work, or should the screen just work the same?

>>59800878
I am new, pls no bully

>>59801110
I was more worried about heat issues than upgrading the laptop, desu.

>>59801107
They're expensive as believe it or not they are actually made from a soft touch coated magnesium. Try have a look on the Chinese market like on aliexpress i've found cheap new parts on there.

>>59801110
its not really worth upgrading the cpu unless you are going from a dual to quad core and are taking advantage of the extra threads.

>>59801110
you can always drop a quadcore i7 which should be as fast as any modern mobile i7in single threaded applications and much faster in multi, and might compete with some i5s.

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is this a meme?

>>59801192
yes

>>59801192
The older ones are pretty good apparently. I wanted to get the T420 looking one, but they sell for over $100 on ebay so i got a RT3200 instead.

>>59801181

I guess, so its more of a revival of an older machine more than a continuous upgrade path. Even a T430's CPU isn't bad right now, so this would ensure some future proofing. What about BIOS issues and shit like graphics drivers and whatnot for the iGPU?

>>59801192

I heard they were flimsy and generally pretty shit. Its too thin to give a satisfying THUNK of a keystroke, flexes and its just generally shit.

>>59801106
No. If the CPU is the same model battery life is exactly the same except when you're using the slice battery.

>>59801218
How well does the trackpoint work on those?

>>59800874
Dell keyboards and trackpoints are shit.

Swap in the newer *50 trackpads and the machine is fixed.

>>59801218
http://www.ebay.com/itm/for-IBM-Thankpad-SK-8845-travel-USB-standard-keyboard-Trackpoint-Hidden-Line-US-/182463315172

>>59801311
Very well. It works normally in windows and macos but requires some fixes for Linux.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TrackPoint

>installed t460 this weekend
Was considering a t460s first but I regret nothing. It's a lot lighter and thinner than I imagined, and the battery lifetime is good (and it has a hot swappable battery). It only has 8 GB RAM though and I use a lot of memory intensive software so probably gonna add a second stick for 60 bucks and go dual channel 16gb meme

>>59801448
>gonna add a second stick for 60 bucks
>not jewing the warranty for free parts

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yesterday my x60 shut off the instant i unplugged the power cable. Re-seating the battery fixed this, but what the hell happened??

>>59801464
>jewing the warranty for free parts
I'm listening

>>59801481
>phone up Lenovo complaining that laptop is fucked
>say you ran memtest, did diagnosis and the RAM is fucked
>they send out a new 8GB SODIMM to you to fit (it's a customer replaceable part, like keyboard/PSU etc)

>>59801504
They do that? "Hey my ram is broken, I checked it yep def broken. Ok here is new ram"

What if they want some sort of proof? Or if they tell me they'll send someone?

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>>59801352
>for IBM Thankpad

Really made me thunk

>>59801555
Yeah, I've got spare keyboards and power supplies from them in the past.

I just said I did a lot of diagnosis and they sent out the part. They won't send out a tech for a fucking ram swap

>>59801481
>I'm listening
https://support.lenovo.com/ro/en/solutions/hf004122

>>59801584
Damn I'm gonna try. I can always call them and if they want me to bring it in I'll just hand up the phone

>>59801620
>if they want me to bring it in I'll just hand up the phone

No, just say I can't be without my laptop as I've got important work/deadline due, send out the RAM as it's a CRU.

>install mSATA SSD
>rip out WWAN card
>the two antenna cables are just hanging there sadly
>wrap the connectors in scotch tape to ensure they don't stick somewhere they shouldn't and short something

Is this a good long-term solution or should I stop being a pussy and remove the cables entirely?

>>59801611
>spent 30 minutes putting in 9 cell battery serials on ebay
>strike it lucky
>then change one digit in the serial number to get another one as well

>>59801627
>I can't be without my laptop as I've got important work/deadline due
But the RAM is fucked how can I use it for work

>>59801628
they are pretty much insulated in that same way from factory lol except they use heatshrink

>>59801654
read my post again anon, if they suggest depot service, tell them to send out the part as you can't wait a week for your laptop to get back to you

>>59801628
It's fine. Don't let it trigger your autism/OCD

>>59801666
Alright I'm gonna try it Monday. But if they get suspicious idk. Need to read into this memtest first and see what a bad result looks like

>>59801666
>>59801627
Btw I found this on their website seems I am screwed if they require the other ram back

You may be required to return the defective part that is replaced by the CRU. When return is required:
Return instructions, a prepaid shipping label, and a container will be included with the replacement CRU; and
You may be charged for the replacement CRU if Lenovo does not receive the defective part within thirty (30) days of your receipt of the replacement CRU. See your Lenovo Limited Warranty documentation for full details

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>>59801137
Heck. Alrighty, I'll check there.

In the meantime, anyone have hardware advice on other possible solutions? I know some of you probably hate me and my lid by now, but I want to try out various options to see if something works before committing on completely replacing the part. Would something like epoxy hold better? Or can I DIY some sort of solution to stick the two bits together?

In pic related you can clearly see the gray nub next to the red cable, showing the break area in the vertical black bit that is supposed to connect the top and main parts of the cover lid.

At this point since, if I fail, I'm going to be replacing the part anyway, I'm game for almost any modification.

Going to college for business next year, sell me on the X1 Carbon over an XPS 15.

>>59801768
Option 1: buy RAM
>have to pay

Option 2: jew Lenovo
>will likely get it for free
>there's a chance they'll require it back, in which case you don't send it and pay

In other words:
>always pay
vs
>probably don't pay

The only downsides to the second option can happen if you find some super-cheap deal elsewhere, or Lenovo is a huge jew that will overcharge you just because they can. Cheap RAM is likely to also be crappy RAM, so the only thin you really have to worry about is Lenovo telling you that your replacement ram is actually worth double market value because they said so and asking you to pay up.

>>59801705
If they get suspicious don't answer them and buy RAM.

Does anyone have any picture comparisons or videos comparing the 1366x768 screen and the 1600x900 screen for the T420? Is there a noticeable improvement in color?

>>59802018
>Is there a noticeable improvement in color?
no

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Someone of craigslist is selling a IBM ThinkPad R60 9456 (Core Duo 1.66GHz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HDD) for $25.

I'm thinking it'd be fun to have around to play with. My question: How customizable is that model? Would I be able to still find parts, or possibly find a way to upgrade the ram/cpu/etc.?

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Anyone had any trouble getting decent replacement parts? I've tried replacing a loose power connector on my x220 twice now, and both times the replacement has shorted and started sparking on me. Any advice for finding a decent replacement?

>run on close to full load for about 5 minutes
>max temps for my 2 cores: 98 and 97

I'm assuming that's not normal? Should I fuck about with thermal paste or something? Or should I just not try to play vidya on a 7 year old ultraportable business laptop

>>59803198
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>>59801643
just tried it for 30 mins too, no luck.
fuck

>>59803268
Ive had more luck with the UK eBay for some reason.

>>59801643
Wait what do I do? I'm tired but I want a free battery, can someone please tl;dr me

>>59803678
what model?

When is the anniversary Thinkpad coming out?

>>59803685
X220

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Anyone here OS X?

>>59803694

Never. Seriously. It was just an idea by Lenovo but they'll never do it. Its not needed anyway, when you already have the original thing, the OG ThinkPads, you don't need to wait for Lenovo to sell a 'retro' looking one. Its not even about the looks, it'll probably look similar, but with no structural similarities because those are just too expensive to implement these days.

How do I tell if I have a TN or IPS panel? I tried going to the product page on ebay, but not able to view the details the seller put out.

>>59803815
Look at your screen from an angle

>>59803815

I really hope you don't mean for a laptop you have. If its not listed just message the seller and ask them.

>>59803779
Yes
T420
It just werks
Except the SD card reader

>>59803822
>>59803828
It's IPS, thanks

>>59803831
>It just werks
lmao not really

>>59803870
I have had less issues with it shitting itself then i did with Ubuntu.
But you dont care, you are just here to make memes and jerk yourself off over "lul macs suck."

>>59803831
Wifi works fine or do you have to use usb?

>>59803899
You can mod the BIOS and get a cheap compatible card for it to work, but i had a usb one lying around from an old Pi project.

>>59803891
that's not a mac m8

>>59803779
i thought you could do it only on the x220 and not the x230?

>>59803373
god damn it I even found a couple of local ads having the shipping date within the required time period and still doesnt work.
I give up, fuck it.

>>59803792
If by structure you mean simply being solidly built, then the subframe and rest of the chassis shouldn't be too hard to replicate, they already get most of them made to order, it'd just come down to a higher per-unit cost. The biggest problems will be shit like a 4:3 screen and the classic keyboard if they wanted to go with it. I'm not aware of any appropriate 4:3 panels being made, the best would probably be 3:2 or something similar but even then that would be at fairly small sizes.

Has anyone used a ThinkPenguin network card instead of their Intel on? My nonfree one is giving me problem.

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>>59803975
https://github.com/Bizzaro/x230-osx

>>59801611
Do you have to prove that you own it? Or is the serial good enough?

I found this battery (israeli seller), but it looks like an order has already been submitted for its serial. Makes me think the guy got a free replacement, and is selling the old one, or you can grab the serial of any random ebay battery and get a free one based on that.

>>59804328
>Makes me think the guy got a free replacement, and is selling the old one
well, he is israeli.

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T420/X220 vs T430/x230

Which ones have the better keyboards?

>>59805161

Its literally pure personal preference and nothing more.

>>59805633
So i should get one of the newest models then?

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>>59805633
>Its literally pure personal preference and nothing more.

>>59805666

I don't fucking know, the only real difference is that the new ones can be backlit.

>>59805738

A spastic right on cue, keyboard layouts and 'feel' are subjective things. Both keyboards to me are fine and I don't mind the lack of backlit keys because my ThinkPad has the ThinkLight.

Thinking of storage upgrades, should one go with a small M.2 SDD for important programs and operating system and a large hard drive? Or just go for an SSD?

My x220 is the best purchase I've ever made. Only had it a day but I love it. Thanks niggers.

>>59801815
i glued my palmrest together using a glue for shoes. it holds quite well. i will post it here later if i find the exact thing i used, so lurk from time to time. you could weld it as well.

>>59805762
mSata, not .2
My bad

>>59805804
I'm considering buying a laptop.

Tell me more about it if you want please. what are the pros and cons?

>>59805161
yes

>>59805666
*30 series have some mild performance advantages (the only one that's actually noticeable is graphics though) and minor shit like USB3, but are a little more expensive. Up to you if you think you'll actually see your money's worth in the price difference.

>>59805161
If you are completely new to ThinkPads, honestly there is really no difference.

A lot of new ThinkPad users will like either keyboard and not care about the layout.
Some will like the T430/X230 having a backlit keyboard.
But i DID notice that the backlit keyboard isn't as great as the standard one. There are some subtle differences, I am too used to the texture on nonbacklit thinkpads, the backlit keyboard has a smooth surface and slightly worse key travel because of it.
Which to me, I really don't think is much different than the T420/X220

With this all being said, it really depends on what you just like.

Having used W500, T400, T500, Z-Series and T60p, T61, R61 in all their different form factors... out of them all, I loved the 14" 16:10 R61, something about its slightly thicker base just made it a perfect machine to type on. And this is me trying out alps, NMB and chicony keyboards. I would still prefer the R61.

>>59805849
Only had it a day keep in mind but my first impressions were good. It feels strong and is built like a tank without a doubt. The actual casing in nice too. All the pictures I saw made it look really plasticy but it's not really. The casing feels nice. This thing is maximum comfy. The trackpoint is the best. I was unsure at first but I can't imagine using anything else anymore. I fucking love it. The fact that it's so cheap is also amazing. I jewed myself out of 250 for mine just because I didn't wan to go through too much setting up and shit and I wanted something to replace my macbook air I sold asap. I could have probably gotten one together for 200 looking at all the listings.

As for the cons, there aren't that many... The speakers are shit. They get the job done if you want speakers but they're shit. The computer requires you to become at least mildly technically competent in order to maximize your experience which is good I think but not for everyone. Somepeople just want something they can buy and be done. This isn't really for those types I don't think. I haven't begun researching how to install linux or anything and I still have to clean the fucking thing but I'm real happy.

>>59805949
Thanks! i think i'll pull the trigger on the x230.

Is this worth it for the price, or should I try to find something cheaper?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-X220-12-5-Laptop-Core-i5-2540M-8GB-128GB-SSD-Windows-10-ProBacklit-WIFI-/222269929117

>>59801874
>the only downside to stealing from people is that it might not be efficient
kill yourself honestly

>>59806059
what's a ProBacklit WIFI?

when the newer p71, p51, and p51s get released will that make the price of the p70 and p50 go down by any amount on places like ebay?

>>59806059
I just ordered my first dankpad from there. You get jewed a bit but not horribly. Reasonable if you want something already set up (besides the low storage but whatev) and is from an established vendor. Good security overall for your first purchase I'd say, but only for your first purchase.

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Any of these worth it?

>>59805949
>The speakers are shit. They get the job done if you want speakers but they're shit.
Speaking of this, I'm pretty sure I remember reading of one anon replacing them with better ones out of a phone or something. I kind of want to give it a go but can't find the post in the archive, and while it can't be too hard to make them work as long as they physically fit, I have no idea what my options for decent speakers are anyway. I don't suppose anyone has any idea what I'm going on about?

According to the Intel ARK website, Ivy chips only support 1600mhz DDR3, but with the modded BIOS you can run 1866mhz on a T420. So would the chip accept the 1866mhz or just downclock it to 1600?

>>59806616
meant t430 oops

>>59806558

>$700 IdeaPad, the younger retarded and structurally weak sibling of the 'ThinkPad' line
>an Acer Aspie generic normie machine

Please just read the OP.

I want to get two thinkpads x230 and t530 but want to upgrade the displays.

if I get a normal x230 with a tn can I just get a ips panel and install it?
which model?

also what's the FHD panel the t530 uses?, I heard it's better than some ips despite being a TN. what model should I look for?

When will the x220 get libreboot?

>>59806918
Minifree says they'll have them available to buy in December.

Post your durability stories.

I'll start. T410. Threw it in bag with lots of wires and metal parts. Went to school and after a while i felt something burning hot on my leg where i had my bag. I thought it was no big deal because it was a hot day and sun was shining on me anyway, never thought it could be something in my bag burning. When I went to class, friend told me why do I have wire in my usb port. Well. It shorted the usb port and melted away some part of case. The best part? I use that port to this day with no problems whatsoever...

>>59805822
Nice. How much stress is it subject to, though? My problem is that I'm going to be pulling on the glued bit every single time I open the lid, and on top of that it's a really small area that can be glued.

>weld it
That sounds extremely autistic but I think it's actually a good idea. Might try it when I get the time.

hi all, can you redpill me on thinkpads in general ?

Thinking of replacing my retarded ASUS and its dead drivers with something that will last long and not lose features over time.

Is there something I should know before buying one ? Are they all good ?

>>59807410

Everything your're asking for is literally in OP's post. Are you retarded?

>>59807420
seems like i am

disregard that

Do you guys think a T520 with dGPU heatsink could handle the i7-3940XM? I've been sizing up the differences between the W520 heatsink and T520 NVS heatsink and the differences don't look _that_ substantial. I figure as long as I do a really good TIM application and polish the heatsink surface beforehand with the toothpaste trick, it should have enough cooling capacity to handle the 55W chips.

>>59806754
>t530

B156HW01 V.4 (matte)/V.7 (gloss)

I have the V.7 in my T520 and it is glorious. TN panel, but with exceptionally good viewing angles for a TN, and very vivid colors (97.5% of AdobeRGB).

I would recommend the gloss version because it has higher contrast ratio, and this panel already runs a little low (700:1, which while not brilliant is pretty respectable for a laptop TN panel).

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Never owned any thinkpads before. Got these for $80 AUD total from a friend. How did I do? Are they too old to be usable?

I'm not sure if I want a t series (15 inch) or x (13.) I'd probably prefer the t in terms of performance, battery and screen size, so I don't have to hunch over while using it on a desk, but I feel like I might have trouble carrying a t420 around, and using buses and trains etc on my lap.

>>59807583
Great deal.
The T61 and X301 are great laptop even for nowadays standards. You just need to make some tweaks as choosing well the OS and installing Libreboot

>>59806558
When you see shiny plastic, you run away. Computers with shiny plastic will bring nothing but suffering and despair.

what's the best mods/improvements/accessories for an x220?

>>59807611
Which ones can I install libre boot on? What's the difference between it and coreboot? What hardware do i need to flash it? I'd love to put it on the x301 because it's my most powerful laptop right now.

>>59807693
check their respective websites. they tell you

>>59807693
Do you really need to be spoonfed?

anyone had any real-world experience with x240 that he could share? not just 'keyboard/trackpad sucs'.

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I thought Thinkpads were supposed to be tough. all it took was a little knock for the whole of the top row to snap off.

Is it possible to buy a new faceplate, or do I just tape the plastic back into place?

T420 btw

Users of T520 running linux, post your battery life please.

I can barely squeeze more than 4h out of my chinkpad on arch and this seems like some fucking bullcunt to me.

>>59807693
Both the T43 and T61 I suppose. Unsure about the X301 since I haven't seen any success stories. Documented success stories are on the libreboot and coreboot websites tho.

>>59807854


>chinkshit
>tough

macbook pro does not have this problem

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Why doesn't the T470p have TB3 when the T470, X1 Carbon, etc. dual core laptops have it?

>>59807854

Everything is replaceable you clumsy tard. :^)

Does the P50 come with the same de-bloated 10 pro advertised for the T/X series?

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I own a T450, it's a nice laptop, pic related.
But I'm constantly battling for hard drive space, can I add a second HDD into this laptop?
In the future I'd also like to replace the panel to a 1920x1080 IPS one if possible. ALSO how many memory slots does the t450 support?

Is the T500 valid in A.D. 2017?
I'm mainly shitposting and watching chink cartoons, but it would sure be nice if it was fast enough to watch 1080p YouTube and able to run some older games.

>>59808489
Get a M.2 SSD and put in a large HDD

>>59808568
so it does supports 2 SSD/HDDs?

>>59808602
In that case I might just buy a large HDD to install.

>>59808602
I think it supports 3, correct me if im wrong but you have 2 slots for hdd/ssd and a M.2. ssd in the ultrabay?

So I managed to get a cool set up where:

-My docked X220 is connected to my monitor through DP
-My PC is connected to it through HDMI
-I'm using some USB mechanical switch with a hub so I can easily use KB+Mouse with both systems
-I can switch audio by just plugging my headphones to my monitor if I want X220 audio, and my sound card if I want desktop audio (HDMI audio is trashy, otherwise would have been more convenient)

Now the thing is, I tried both hackintosh and Windows on it, and I can only manage to use the X220 while closed and docked without issues on hackintosh. Why can't Windows 7 detect that you're using an X220 docked and plugged to a monitor, and turn only its own screen off and nothing else?

i know its not a thinkpad but its still lenovo, how are the yoga pro 2? is $260 a decent price second hand?

>>59808842
Why not just set options to turn off monitor when the lid closes?

>>59808909
How would I do that though? I only see options for doing nothing / hibernate / sleep

>>59808602
>>59808639
I have an x220 and it's got an mSATA SSD instead of the wwan card, and then an HDD in the normal slot, and if I wanted to I think I could add another SSD through the express port thingy on the side.

I'd expect a T to have at least equivalent options.

>>59808997
do nothing is the option u should pick lol

>>59801815
Try a "plastic weld", i.e. not actually welding the plastic (although that procedure also exists) but rather it's just a name for some epoxies. You can get either paste or putty.

>>59801240
Saw someone dropped in a 3720qm onto a t430. Did not mention anything about the bios or any driver problem. But the heat is still an issue
>Full load up to 101c

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hey boys and gals,
I'm using win10 on an x220, and this son of a gun keyboard light toggle icon won't go away, ever. what to do???
also: why does the fact that I'm using windows 10 enrage people? would happily be convinced to go to 7 if anyone gives me a coherent answer.

>>59811678
>why does the fact that I'm using windows 10 enrage people?
It should be ok to use whatever you want. Shitting in people for liking things is lame. I can't really help you with your primary question tho.

>>59800603
I've got a 2007 T61..

Its currently got a T7500, 500GB HDD, and 3GB DDR2 ram, and battery dead.

To upgrade it to the best CPU, T9500, 8GB DDR2 RAM, new battery, and a 256GB SSD (850 evo) it'll run $300 or so.

A new dell laptop or something can be $300 if I stick with a ~720p monitor, low memory, but the CPU is faster (i3 7300U), also has HDMI not VGA. But the drive is smaller, the battery is integrated etc.

Thoughts? Should I upgrade it?

Was going to use it mostly for linux (though I'd likely dual boot Windows/Linux just to have the option).

Then just use it for simple projects, or as a media center PC but not sure if it can output 1080p through VGA to a TV with an adapter.

>>59811885
I'd go for the T61. The Dell you mentioned seems like consumer shit which will break after like 1 year.

>>59811957
What do you think is the easiest way for me to output 1080p to a modern style TV from the t61? My TV does have VGA, I just dont know the T61 will do 1080p over it, and if its extended desktop or desktop mirroring.


Also how the hell do I tell what kind of pcmia or cardbus or whatever version I have? Shits confusing as hell.. because I know they have adapters for USB 3.0.

>>59811678
>this son of a gun keyboard light toggle icon won't go away, ever. what to do???
there's a simple fix for that.

>>59808504
get a T520

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>joe rogan is back to using a macbook
lmao, /tpg/ BTFO
probably one of his nerd friends suggested it to no avail

>>59812140
please tell me!

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>tfw just realized, I can scroll pages by making circles starting from right edge of my x201 touchpad

>>59813616
>not disabling the touchpad in bios and using keyboard /trackpoint exclusively
brainlet

>>59803962
it's MacOS though

>>59813851
how's the VGA port?

>>59813956
Functional

>>59813467
install Arch

>>59800603
my brother wants a laptop for programming and occasional shitposting, nothing more or less. would an older t61 or something like that be ok for that kind of use?

>>59814186
Absolutely

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hey /tpg/
t420 that I wanna sell needs a battery are knockoffs okay? I'd rather not burn somebody's house down but don't want to fork out shekels for oem either.

>>59814282
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/944/729/673.gif

>>59814004
how did you get it to work on a thinkpad?

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>>59814348
>kym
>linking to an image instead of attaching it to the post
>linking to a kym image

>>59814282
probably better off just selling it with dead/no battery

>>59814348
have a (You)
>>59814401
gotcha f4m

>>59814381
www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/285678-lenovo-thinkpad-t420-with-uefi-only/

>>59806558
Hey anon, I've been using almost the same laptop for about a year now, except I have 8GB of RAM, 1080p screen and an nVidia 940 MX.

It's just as fast as the day I bought it, and I've had almost 0 problems with it. It's speedy, the keyboard is decent and the trackpad is ok. It's battery life is pretty great too.

However, there are some caveats you should know. First of all, the screen is pretty terrible. Even though the screen I have is 1080p, the colors and viewing angles are terrible, and everything seems washed out. Second of all, for portable use it's a bit bulky. If you're going to be bringing a laptop around, definitely go for <14 inch screens. Finally, $399 really isn't an amazing deal. I bought my laptop for $499 a full year ago, and mine have better specs to boot. I think you'll get better value for your money if you listen to the Thinkpad shills in here.

>>59814799
Clarification: I have the Aspire

Any Arch or Arch based distro users with T420 here?

I need to setup battery charging thresholds and rest of the Thinkpad supported magic.

Main issue is that I'm not quite sure which of the guides to follow as they seem a bit outdated. (excluding arch wiki).

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who else /RichGVNG/ here????

>>59814973
What are you on about, tlp is super simple to use

>>59801570

Underrated post

X200 with Libreboot and Parabola here.

The mute button won't work, does this happen to anyone else?

It doens't even trigger a response with xev. I don't know if I should blame libreboot, or parabola (which has been a pain in the ass to configure properly)

How justified would one be in being apprehensive about buying Chinese computers, considering how the company has close ties to the Chinese government?

>>59811678
>I'm using win10 on an x220

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwGfwbsF4c4

Is it better to flash BIOS (i.e. get libreboot or whatever) before or after installing my OS of choice, or does it make no difference?

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Pops needs a laptop for photo editing. Recs?

>>59815683
FUG that color scheme looks so comfy, any chance GMK makes a set like this?

>>59802819
Fully upgradeable. Ordered a 1$ T7200 CPU...also compatible with ssd SATA standard

>>59815474
kek

>>59815474
I'm the "100*C under load" anon from yesterday, can confirm this is accurate

>>59807950
no mbp would just bend and not be repairable.

>>59801192
The ones that are shaped like old TP keyboards are good - basically because they really are the old TP keyboards. But they go for like $60 so you might as well get a real keyboard anyway.

I rarely see people here talking about the tablet models. I'm currently looking at buying the x220 tablet, anything i particular i should be looking out for? How is the battery time with the 6-cell?

Guys is it possible to get libreboot on an X220? I swear I heard about people doing this but from cursory research it doesn't appear supported.
On the other hand if I install coreboot, will the only downside be the presence of non-free blobs?

tl;dr redpill me on X220 bioses

>>59816688
I have a x201t and a fresh Lenovo 6-cell, I say it lasts about two to three hours.

Mainly it is up to you if you want condition over price. Mine had a cracked hinge that was really no issue and I got it a little less expensively. During my search on ebay for one lots of the cheaper ones had pretty significantly scratched screens if you looked at them closely. There is one small gash on mine that you can't see but you can feel with the pen.

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Is this alright?

Hopefully third times the charm.

Can I replace a stock non-backlit keyboard with a backlit one?

>>59817021
Yes.

wew
Just got my first thinkpad, it's a carbon x1, not really a traditional thinkpad, but I enjoy it. I'm not used to having my laptop battery last longer than 4hrs, so I'm quite pleased.

>>59817053

Cheers.

If a hinge on an X220 flexes slightly forward and backward, is there something I can tighten or something or is that a symptom of something being broken? It's got maybe 1 - 1.5mm of give total.

>>59807583
The X301 is quite rare. Worth quite a bit. Nice score
The T43p's pushing it age wise but the other two should be fine

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Just got T420. What's up with the fingerprint scanner?

>>59818703
What's up with the fingerprint scanner?

>>59817001
Keep in mind they advertise the price of the lowest specced one, in this case it has a Celeron and a TN 1366x768 screen.

I picked on up last month through a work discount (I honestly think they did a math error with mine, I was looking at adding some things while they made it but the discount wasn't nearly as good) and I fucking love it. I made out like a bandit though; i5-7200u and a 1920x1080 IPS matte touchscreen for $650 after tax!

If you can get a student discount, I would say go for it!

Has anyone had any luck putting 9mm HDDs into an X220/X230? I've got a few that fit most of the way into my X220 but I don't want to force it or disassemble just to get one in since I don't actually want to use any of them yet.

If I buy an x60, what CPU should I replace the old one with so it isn't slow as fuck?

My i5 T420 running hot when rendering video :(

What do? I cleaned fan and heatsink with compressed air. Fans are working hard already.

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>>59818703
Idk you tell me

>>59819494
disable turbo boost

>>59819603
How big a hit on performance will I take?

>>59819728
If you're actually seeing thermal throttling, performance should go up just because turbo-boost is handled too awkwardly. If heat isn't excessive as is then you'll probably be losing performance while actually under load, though I think otherwise going without it in standard use isn't such a bad thing anyway.

>>59819728
>3630qm
>3.2ghz turbo boost
>100c under full load
problem?

Is it worth purchasing a box of thinkpads off of ebay? None of them have been checked to see if they're working.

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>when you get a T420, install an SSD, 16 GB of 1866 MHz RAM, a wifi N wireless card, and a quad core i7
Only thing I'm waiting on is the screen replacement since it was 1366x768.

>>59819879
Might be alright if you just want to do it for a bit of fun. Whether it's worthwhile depends on what you're paying and for what.

>>59815071
>glossy
I puked

>>59819779
That helped quite a bit. No noticeable performance loss yet. 85C under load.

Thanks

>>59820069
>No noticeable performance
ofcourse you won't notice, anon was talking out of his anus because he never tried it. you should get mid 70s after changing the thermal paste.

>>59819964

wasn't the cpu soldered on the t420? isn't the wifi whitelisted?
also which screen?

>>59819439
>If I buy an x60, what CPU should I replace the old one with so it isn't slow as fuck?
None, because the chipset is hardwired to Core.

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>>59800603
>look up the 2570p
>can put quadcore i7
>no whitelist so I can just put ac wifi and it'll werk!
>esata
>cheaper than x230
>can't be modded to use the ips display of the x series

REEEEEEEEEE


why !!!!!!!!

the 2570p was looking very good until the screen part.

also
>when you prefer typing on the *30 but prefer the layout on the*20

>>59820646
>2570p
it's shit, and without msata it's 2x shit

>>59814060
h u g e f a g g o t
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f a g g o t
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>>59814444
nice

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>>59815715
>anon sees shitty useless old pc
>FUG
are you low functioning?

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>>59801192
>mfw yesterday visiting a filthy server room found one.
I fucking couldn't believe they exist. Or why they not produce it anymore.

DO NOT BUY FROM SELLER kl0 ON EBAY!

payed 250 for my first dankpad from this fucker. He advertisd an i5 2540 with 8gb ram x220 but sent me a 2520 with 4gb ram. I'm sending it back in the morning fuck this nigger. I thought I'd e safe paying more from an established vendor my firt purchase. Fuck me.

>>59813374
>switch to PC for one week
>get your identity stolen

He learned the hard way

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what do you guys reckon about this, I currently have a ux303lb (i7 5500u, gt 940m). I'm thinking of getting a refurbed t420/30 for the following reasons:
-don't like the keyboard on this (use for coding and report writing)
-Don't like the trackpad, it's super resistant to physical clicks and super slippery when it's a slighty warm day and I start to sweat a little
-Don't care for the GPU, don't really game, I can use my 6600k deskop for that if I wanted
-Only 250gb ssd, would like to be able to add a hard drive as well
-Shitty wifi reception (because of metal body???)
-Super reflective screen
-Feels a bit flimsy

I do like though:
-the weight
-backlit keyboard
-cool idle temps

Things I like about about the thinkpad:
-Robust, don't plan on using a case to take it to lectures or anything
-Battery life looks really good especially with the 6 cell, thickness doesn't bother me, more worried about the physical footprint
-Only gonna cost me $200 + $100(ssd & 8gb ram upgrade), I'll likely be able to sell my asus for ~$700
-Expand-ability - if I choose to ditch my desktop as well I can ad an express card gpu (if I need a gpu) and upgrade the cpu to a quad core
-serviceability

Would a t420/30 be a good replacement for this or will i be disappointed with the "downgrade"? is it worth looking at the t440+ instead?

>>59811678
Same problem with Windows 7 here. Switching the light on and off again fixes it for me.

>>59821565
>Only gonna cost me $200 + $100(ssd & 8gb ram upgrade), I'll likely be able to sell my asus for ~$700
get a maxed out W520

>>59821657
15.6 inches is a bit big for me I think, anything bigger than 14 won't fit in my satchel i carry everywhere. Plus, I can't seem to find any on gumtree/ebay.
I noticed some models come with a quadro card which I could swap for another MXM video card though? are there any 12-14inch lenovo's with sandy/ivy bridge that have mxm slots?

What's the likelihood newer stuff like the t460 will ever get libreboot? I know they're working on it for the x220.

>>59822033
>libreboot
more like librememe

>>59821289
damn... that sucks.

just claim a refund and keep it.

How do you guys keep up with 51nb releases. I'd like to get my hands on a thinkpad with old chassis but modern internals.

I also haven't heard any news about the retro lately.

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>>59807583
You literally got some of the best ThinkPads for the good price of one!
Nothing will come close to the X301's typing experience.
T43p will be a blast to see the IPS display. this model has a sort of charm lost since the T60/61.

>>59807852
There was something about the ram being single speed or something that bothered people when it came to upgrading it. There's only one slot.

What other laptops are you looking at?
Use/occupation, budget, need & wants? Maybe previous laptop for contrast.

>>59807854
>little knock fucks your TP up
How funny, they can survive fires, falls from cars, & blasts but yours died over a cat.

>>59807889
I think I got 5+ hours on a W530 but thats because its winblows.
Its just the bullet you have to bite with Linux.

>>59808891
>go to ebay.com
>type in 'Yoga pro 2' in search field and press enter
>on the left plane scroll down til you see 'sold listings' checkbox
>click it, see prices people PAID for these thinkpads
>sort by high/low and asses this question yourself by spec & condition results

>>59822322
why would you stack them horizontally like that?

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>>59820646
I like them, though not a big deal if i can't mSATA, but thats because i has more than one laptop & computer.
But the Elitebook has a CD drive, so you can put a HDD into that bitch

>>59822533
I'm a monster

I should of said what they were
770 series on the left, T2x, T420s/30s on top, T6x 15", A3x & G4x

In front is a 235 & some libretto

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>>59822153
>150nits display
>shit ssd/sata
>2hours wifi surfing
>palmrest gets warm for some reason
>$750

>>59822322
>iShit
You're a fucking faggot, you know that?

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>>59822621
Really? This is news to me, I never would of guessed!

>>59822153
>T70 is currently in developement stage and first motherboard prototypes have been tested. HOPE will continue testing and debugging with his team and T70 will be released later this year. Some of you have possibly heard something about T70 specs, but here are those:

- i7-7700HQ processor (with T500 fan support) and Intel 630 HD Graphics
- support for 64GB DDR4 RAM
- supports two M.2 PCI-e SSDs and NVMe standard.
- support for 2x 2.5" SSD/HDD RAID
- support for up to 15" QXGA (2048x1536) IPS screen
- USB3.0, USB2.0, miniDP, VGA, Audio out, Mic in and Ethernet ports.
- 1 year warranty for motherboard
- Price: TBA

>>59815124
Fully compatible, nothing I should know before using it?

>>59822687
based chinks

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What is /tpg/ waiting on?

>>59822153

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-X62-Laptop-Review.211598.0.html

>>59822604

The display's CCFL backlight can be replaced for an LED one for $100, which should hopefully be better.
Not sure what you mean by shit ssd, it has a SATAIII and mSATA slot so you put w/e you want in there.
CCFL backlight is inefficient so that kills a decent portion of the battery life. Review said they used a 32WHr battery, so with the 75WHr battery, hopefully it'll be 4-5hrs wifi browsing, which is pretty damn good.

Actually read the review you autistic fuck.

>>59822834
>Actually read the review you autistic fuck.
no

>>59808842

When I used Win7 on the x220, it worked perfectly with a dock and an external monitor.

On windows try checking Intel display settings.

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What is the best phone to complement a Thinkpad?
My pick in the Note II N7100.

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>>59823016
My Yotaphone goes well with the matte black colour in my opinion. My potato camera doesn't really do it justice though.

>>59823152
The color matches well, but it doesn't have all the thinkpad like properties the Note II has.

The Note II, like the Thinkpad, has:
-Plentiful amount of cheap, used Note IIs
-Removable battery
-Easy repair (can replace screen with just a philips screw driver and a guitar pick)
-Support for free software alternatives like Replicant (just like some thinkpads have libreboot/coreboot support)
-Durable
-Has old, but useful features not present in new devices, such as a 3g test port for hooking up larger antennas, or hdmi through micro usb (comparable to the thinkpad's express card slot and ultrabay)
-Superior input method, the stylus (just like the thinkpad has a trackpoint)

>>59822834
>The display's CCFL backlight can be replaced for an LED one for $100, which should hopefully be better.
way less than that:
https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/thinkpad/led-kit.shtml
$48, it's even color-matched to the screen.

>>59823230
Thats for the X** thinkpads, this is where you can get a LED display converted to work in T** thinkpads:

http://www.theboardroom.info/led_mod.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-X62-Laptop-Review.211598.0.html

>>59823246
>Thats for the X** thinkpads, this is where you can get a LED display converted to work in T** thinkpads:
I have not updated the pages yet, but have started offering kits for all T60/61/400/500 and W500 variants.
Also, the post was for the X62, which is an X-series.

>>59823300
Oh shit, they actually linked my kits.
Phwew, I think I better order a few more reels of LEDs.

>>59822604
>>59823300
>https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-X62-Laptop-Review.211598.0.html
>>59822834
>https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-X62-Laptop-Review.211598.0.html
ebin

How's the X220T?

>>59822687
Would probably cost a fortune, though.

>>59823946
Naw. If anything, they have the annoying tendency to cut costs in ways nobody wants.

Why did new ThinkPads get rid of the ThinkLight? That thing is amazing, it illuminates even the things around your desk. God damn it, I'm only going to use xx30 and previous ThinkPads or MacBook Pros for laptops.

>>59822687

>support for up to 15" QXGA (2048x1536) IPS screen

They're putting a fucking iPad display in it? Oh wow.

>>59824374
That was a standard ThinkPad screen.

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>>59822768
The X300 was an accident. I left a bid when I wasn't thinking too hard about it, a few days later I got a notice that I had won the bid. Felt like I had to pay up. I will be picking it up today. Should be fun enough to play around with.

I don't know when the X220 will be here, but I hope it'll be here before easter, but I doubt it. Should be here next week at least.

>>59800874
Stop spouting memes. The keyboards, outside the retarded layout are great. You can retrofit a T450 trackpad on it and be happy.

If some chinks can design a new motherboard for the X61 why them can't design and get a 4:3 high DPI screen kit manufactured?

>>59824572
>The X300 was an accident.
nice machine tho

Are W520 1080p screens as bad as T420 ones?

>>59824714
No, they are awesome.
The problem is that they are so awesome that everything looks like shit.

Should I buy docking station and what is benefit of that?

What's the best thinkpad for medium-heavy gaming?

>>59824838
you get the benefit of using a 130W power adapter

>>59824714
W520s can use high gamut overclockable screens. Definitely the best screens out of any older thinkpads.

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Any way to get scratches out of the rubber coating on the outside of a StinkPad? Mine scratches just by running the edge of my nail on it, is it supposed to be that weak or has it just deteriorated over time?

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I have this issue with my T420, if it get shaken a little no sound would come out.
As if the sound chip have been removed.
Shaking it a little solve the issue.

Should I get one of pic related? or get a proper ExpressCard Sound blaster?

>>59825151
You should replace the mobo.

>>59824745
kek
>>59824884
>best screens out of any older thinkpads
the bar wasn't set very high I guess

>>59825171
Can't because...
1. There's no spare parts and ordering online is a hassle
2. I don't have the necessarily skills to do that even with manual
3. I don't trust people who claim to be "computer repairs specialist"

>>59825186
Get the soundblaster expresscard then. Enjoy the rest of the USB ports.
PD: Lrn2 repair your thinkpad.

Lads, it's possible to put a ac wifi card on a T61?

>>59825195
>Lrn2 repair your thinkpad.
I've did some repairs before.
It's just swapping the whole mobo is difficult and I might end up breaking it.
>Enjoy the rest of the USB ports
4 USB is plenty.

>>59824982
try some paint thinner to solidify the rubber.

>>59824572
>X300 was an accident

Largely useless nowadays, but a beautiful machine. I was using mine until a year ago when I realized it was just too slow to get anything done outside of word processing. The build quality is easily the best that Lenovo has ever put out, and matched some of the older IBM machines. I replaced it with an X1 Carbon (3rd gen), and while I like it, it just does not have the same "no - compromise" feel. And the keyboard is noticeably inferior.

If Lenovo just released a Kaby Lake X300 with a 1600x1050 screen, and kept everything else basically the same, I would buy it in about 3 seconds. Brand new.

>>59824714
Aside from the pulse-width modulation when you turn down the brightness, they are basically flawless.

>>59825174
No it was a low bar for sure. But compared to most laptop screens it still stands out, which makes it exceptional in the context of Thinkpads.

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Ok I have a question. Is T470's color supposed to be black or grey? is there a darker paint in the thinkpad series?

>>59822687
What ThinkPad chasis will it support?

>>59824598
Scale economics?

Hello all, i just ordered a refurbished Thinkpad T430, with 8 gigs of memory, 2.6ghz, i5-3320M.

What do you all think of it, I'm only really gonna use it for light programming and stuff.

>>59825546
Yeah pwm seriously fucks with my eyes on my t430

>>59822125
Can you do this safely?

>>59825614
Looks grey.
P series is darker I think.

Ok so I ordered a x220 that wasn't as described. Is there a way I can get a refund but still safely keep the x220 without returning it?

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Just got pic related and fucking hate it. Hinges feel weaker than the T60, T420 and it creaks like crazy near the cd drive

Is it a dud or was this model sub par?

>>59826542
What model is it?

>>59826542
>259x194

>>59826567
T61. Really prefer the look and keyboard on those models but this one feels flimsier than the T60

>>59826523
If you bought from eBay you pretty sure that you can get that.

>>59826816
Yeah I did. Am I going to have to say I shipped it but lie? Or do I just be honest and get a partial refund?

>>59826863
Do as you please. eBay usually gets on the side of the buyer the 90% of the time.

DO THIS SURVEY NOW

http://blog.lenovo.com/tag/retro+thinkpad

and maybe we have a chance of getting an oldschool thinkpad with new hardware

>>59826941
>http://blog.lenovo.com/tag/retro+thinkpad
This is bait.

>>59826941
No, we'll only have a chance once everyone in this thread stops
listening to the gook shills in these threads and stops buying new thinkpads.
Will begging to a dictator change his will? No, only action.

>>59827059
But retro thinkpad is a reality.

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>>59827002
nope

http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-time-to-think

It's the official lenovo blog what's wrong with you?

>>59827129
You came late like two years

>>59827108
>>59827059
I haven't gotten a new thinkpad since now they seem to be half-mac inspired "meh", which XPS is better at.

I really hope they go back full retro like a T61 but with modern ports & CPU.

But there is no confirmation they will go retro right? Some people say maybe later this year because anniversary but idk.

>>59803198
Yeah that is a bit much. I was getting 90+ temps on my X230, but then I put on new thermal paste and installed tpfancontrol. I have only seen it go above 80 degrees a few times now.

>>59826896
Thanks brudder.

>>59827137
Yeah, but the survey ist still available, so there's a possibility that lenovo still looks into that.

>Some people say maybe later this year because anniversary
and this

>>59827140
They wont go full retro, at most they'll put a 7 row keyboard and thinklight. The survey (which they probably faked themselves) said that customers preferred no dvd drive or ultrabay.

>>59826355
I had an X230 and loved everything about it, but the PWM was a real fucking problem. It gave me serious headaches at low brightness levels, and the reason why is Lenovo uses a stupidly low refresh rate. You can clearly see it through a phone camera viewfinder and anyone who is even a tiny bit sensitive will be able to detect it.

I tried going to an Elitebook 2570p but there were a lot of other aspects about this machine that I don't like and it has not proven to be substantially more reliable than a common consumer laptop. I am tempted to buy a fourth gen X1 Carbon since apparently the display does not suffer from PWM, but I loathe to support a company that thinks this shit is acceptable on "premium" business machines. Lenovo gets away with far too much because people are constantly willing to overlook their bullshit.

>>59827315
>they faked themselves
Why?

>>59813656
>not removing the touchpad entirely and make a customized palm rest
man child

>>59827335
To justify their shitty mac clone, or justify a sub-par retro thinkpad.

>>59827420
>justify things that will cost a lot to make and their objetive public will not buy
That's the most retarded thing I ever read on this site and I browse /pol/ everyday

>>59827447
>cost a lot to make
A 7 row keyboard and thinklight that fit into the same thinkpad that they already produce wont cost alot. And if the public wont buy it does not matter because the majority of lenovo's customers are business and they only care about price/performance ratio.

The only thing that will satisfy me is an exact re-production of a T60 or T420, but a new processor and motherboard. Basically a 51nb T70 but with a new shell and official from lenovo.

>>59827551
>won't cost a lot
No, except that
>you have to pay for R&D for that
>you have to pay increased manufacturing cost
>you probably will end hate it because they should choose between redesign the chassis to fit a larger keyboard or having the seven roy keyboard with smaller keys

I guess someone here have bought one, so how long battery time can I expect from a Chinese 6-/9-cell battery?

>>59827551
T420 a bit too THICC by today's standards. They can fit modern specs easily into T420s

>>59827720
On a T420 I should probably mentation.

>>59827727
But I don't want a soldered cpu though.

>>59827923
Is non-soldered even a possibility these days? In any case, I was talking about chassis size mostly.

>>59827932
No. Intel stopped offering PGA processors.
Makes sense, since lots of notebooks aren't upgraded as we usually do.

>>59822645
You look so much like a real woman it scares me

>>59827983
Yeah. Upgrading laptops tends to be difficult because of cooling.

At the same time, it would still be nice to have the option for repairs. If say, some part of your board breaks you don't have to buy a new CPU when you get a replacement board.

x230 vs x240, performance wise?

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>>59828398
>x230 vs x240
Dogshit vs bullshit, ITS ALL SHIT!
Performance doesn't matter if the laptop breaks down in a couple of months,
dont buy anything newer than **20 series or you'll GET FUCKED IN THE ASS.

FUCKING LENOVO SHILL, GET OFF MY FUCKING /tpg/, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
GO BACK TO THE FUCKING RICE FIELDS YOU SHIT EATING GOOK

IBM FOR LIFE! USA! USA! USA!

>>59828398
Marginal. For recent Thinkpads almost no reason to upgrade between subsequent models unless you are also moving from i5 to i7.

>>59828507
Ivy Bridge to Haswell was probably more of a leap than Haswell to now.

>>59828975
X240 performs worse than X230 though because it only has one RAM slot.

>>59829171
Which is why you get an X220 :^)