/mkg/ - Mechanical Keyboard General

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>>59798394
why should I not buy this

Cherry is shit.

>>59798471
i dunno man, look's pretty good.

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Who T(poor)pre here?

>>59798471
Because I am going to.

>>59798481
I got the cherry MX blues

I currently have browns on a keyboard now and want to be able to have one that's significantly different

also, I tried one of my friends blues and found it really enjoyable
>>59798502
mines coming in the mail Tuesday so you better order single day shipping faggot unless you want to look like a poseur

>>59798515
What site did you order it from?

>>59798515
blues isn't going to be significantly different, will be clicky, but still tactile, will need to go for linears to get a significant difference,

>>59798527
mechanical keyboards dot com

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>>59798439
Despite being a TKL its almost as big as a full size keyboard

>>59798536
why not just link the page?
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/search.php?keyword=&brand=34&switch=&size=Tenkeyless&led=&capmat=&capprint=&model=&availability=&show_kb=off&show_kb=on&show_acc=off&show_acc=on

>>59798609
because this would be the link
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1939

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>>59798439
>>59798576
>thick as fuck bezels
>space saving
anyone who is not a hipster faggot will buy the superior Model F instead.

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>>59798756
Its saving space compared to this IBM keyboard

>>59798768
at the time yes but it is 1990 + 27 anon

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>>59798768
Represent

>>59798785
except my SSK was made before that keyboard, and why would you recommend the model F if its even older then both

i need a quiet TKL or ~68K and unfortunately the Matias offering has been in production for a trillion years

any suggestions? i would even be willing to buy a membrane board

>>59798813
ssk is overrated and overpriced. it is only popular because it looks cool t b h.
standard model m uses the same switch with more keys and a reasonable price.
regardless of its age, model f is far superior than its successor.

>>59798885
I also have a full size model M and I just wish its case was slimmer like the SSK. The thing that surprised me most about the model F is that its thinner then both

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>being literally so retarded you pay a shit ton of money for a keyboard and a mouse just because it lights up and has 1 nanosecond faster response time.


/g/ is not about technology anymore,it became /v/ 2.0 a long time ago.

>>59798870

http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless

>>59798907
>30 bucks is a lot of money
I wish /g/ wasn't filled with poor people like you

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>>59798918
>only one in stock is ergonomically weighted

>>59798929
gaymen mouse is more like $60~70 but yeah, niga is poor

>>59798957
is that in brazil? cause even a something like a logitech g402 is 30 bucks

>>59790714

Thanks, I'll consider it. The reason I was wanting 3 rather than 2 is just so it looks as close as possible to an ordinary TKL when the split halves are together, but I guess being able to find parts is more important. The ergodox is definitely an inspiration for a split design, but I don't want to re-learn how to type. I'll probably be copying the MCP23018 circuit and techniques for constructing a layered acrylic case from the ergodox, at least.

I'll post pics as I work on it (for some rare /mkg/ OC), but I need to make and measure some PCBs (for which I don't have all the parts yet) before I can even start working on the case.

>>59798918
yeah i'm definitely considering topre. any opinions on realforce v. hhkb?

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>paying more for less keys
Why do tenkeyless fags do this?

>>59798984
no the newest shit are priced at $60 min. g402 is old and went from $60 to $42 currently on amazon us

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Fellas, can I have some help?

I work in excel all day, and thus, would like a mechanical keyboard as they keyboard I work on is pure shite.

Ideally, it would be black, non-offensive (no lights, minimal/no branding, you get the score) and must have a numpad. I'm not super picky over specs so long as it feels like a mechanical keyboard should

The cheaper the better

I use a zowie keyboard that i got for free a long time ago and i like it. If there's nothing that can be rec'd, I support I can bring that keyboard into work and buy a new one for hime but id rather not?

>>59799008
realforce is tkl and hhkb is not.
fun fact: realforce is made by the Topre company

>>59799031
Ducky One with your preferred Cherry switch type

>>59799031
Steel sereis 6gv2 and Cherry g80-3000 can both be found for around 60-90 bucks

>>59799031
>feels like a mechanical keyboard should

If you're in the USA and are able to have a noisy keyboard at work, a new Unicomp Model M costs $85, has a numpad, and is a superb typing experience.

Are there low profile mechanical keyboards?

Everything I see is too thick for me.

>>59799015
Recently bought a 60% keyboard, thinking it was this top-tier shit for hardcore keyboard enthusiasts. I ended up selling it after a couple months of using it. I don't understand why anyone, especially someone who is into keyboards, would use this shit as their main keyboard at their workstation. It's so impractical if you don't need it for portability or whatever.

>>59799106
probably only going to get that if you get xda keycaps.

>>59799106
cherry mx 3.0

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01IUYVG5U/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491680799&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=cherry+mx+3.0&dpPl=1&dpID=41Mp8H8nFqL&ref=plSrch

>>59799119
You got meme'd son.

Protip for the future: if you look at something and think "that looks impractical", chances are it's probably not the thing for you.

>>59799015
Ergonomics

>>59799119
if it isn't fully programmable then yeah, 60% is trash.
when you program it though, the keyboard feels more like yours and can even become more practical than a full sized one

>>59799119
TKL is smallest i'm willing to go, and that's only because I have a separate numpad as well.

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>>59799015
>Have a keyboard you can travel with for work
or
>Buy TKL keyboard and stand alone numberpad then put numberpad on the right side of your mouse/left side of your keyboard where it'll be more ergonomic for you
At least this is how I see it. Also, good god, what the fuck did you do to that Swiss Army Knife?

the tada68 that's on aliexpress right now is pretty much the keyboard i want
however i would like specific keycaps
is there a kit without keycaps somewhere? i wouldn't mind soldering or buying switches seperatly

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Which HHKB is best for gunposting?

>in 30 years, the *** keyboard will be as the model m is to the 2010s

Fill the blank.

>>59799655
Apple Magic Keyboard

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>>59799463
White. Black HHKBs are shit, even QB knows this now.

>>59799463
Type-S

>>59799463
Which keycaps are those and where'd you get them?

>>59799393
am i out of luck?

>>59799933
Tai-Hao Lavender, and they can be found on massdrop or ebay

>>59799964
Thanks, they look very nice.

>>59799947
the keycaps on the TADA are already some of the best you can buy. anything else would most likely be a downgrade. That said most keycap sets from gateron, cherry, and tai-hao include the extra keys you need

>>59799015
Even a "desktop" macfag is donglin'

I'll be getting a razer orbmeme but I need to know what one is closer to brown, the orange or green switch? And will I be able to change some of these switches to gatheron red?

>>59800793
I think the orange are the silent ones, so they're probably an MX brown knockoff.
As for replacing some switches with Gaterons, shouldn't be too hard since they're all MX clones.

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>>59799463
white type s

>>59800838
OK, then I'll try to get a stealth or silent or however they call it (I think they are the green ones) and just 10 gateron red.
Thanks anon.

>>59799875
Is it personal preference or is there actually something wrong with the black versian?

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>>59800930
do you care about aesthetics?

>>59799015
hi miles

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Posting multiple M's and F's

>>59800930
less meme points
all professional mkg posters know white hhkb = most meme points possible. if u dont care about meme points u dont belong here

>>59798768
>f13-f24
20 points for anyone who can guess what software I work with that requires me to use these

>>59801094
Ehh my entire setup is black so I think black will be better

>>59801391
>he immediately goes for the lazy option rather than fixing his entire broken setup

Spotted the web developer

>>59798439
I'm currently using a Unicomp Model M and very happy with it, but i'm curious about whether there are any switch options out there which provide a lot of cushioning at the bottom of the keystroke. Basically I want the most cushioned possible bottoming out response. What should I look into, /mkg/?

>>59802264
topre

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>>59798439
How's the endgame search going /mkg/?

>>59802280
Any particular topre switch have more cushioning at the bottom of the stroke than the others?

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>>59802264
>>59802280
I agree, topre is very smooth and is basically a very soft cushioned key-stroke all the way down.

>>59802307
no

>>59802307
45g

Just bought a ck104. Roast me

Is there anywhere selling o-rings that are thick enough to prevent the key from reaching its activation point?

>>59798439
Has anyone built their own backlit keyboard using fiber optics rather than individual LEDs? If so, what do you use to "attach" the fiber optic cables to the original light source? (presumably a single bright LED)

>>59802392
In theory couldn't you just use two O rings?

>>59802558
Good point, thanks. Stupid question, I guess.

>>59802392
Cut a 1/4" section of plastic cable tube.
Slip it under the keycap and the key won't move.

>>59801072
dat beamspring
Mirin your industrials are all of them legit?

>>59802959
All are legit except the bottom left which has since been sold

I'm pretty new to mechanical keyboards
I fell for a meme and bought a retarded rgb gaymer keyboard, with browns which I quite like, but I realised that I literally never use the numpad, or the macro keys,so I think I want a 60%. What's a good 60% that comes with cherry browns or clears? I'd probably prefer something that doesn't have rgb lights, or doesn't have backlights at all.

>>59803086
pok3r

My 55g realforce feels like the keys in the middle have a higher actuation force than the keys near the edge. Is this normal?

>>59803102
Normal for topre cos topre is shit

>all these tkls and 60%
so do you not use these for work or...?

>>59803158
No I use them for work, its just that I'm not an accountant.

>>59803158
It's an underage millennial/ gen Y thing. You just have to accept the cancer.

>>59799015
I have a full size model M and wish I had a SSK. Why? Because the keyboard is fucking huge and the distance between homerow and the mouse is painful.

>>59803722
More like a baby boomer thing that was passed down through the generations. You talk as if TKL and 60% are a recent thing, when in fact its the opposite. Full size keyboards have only recently become popular, and back then the only people who used full size keyboards were admins or accountants. The average consumer didn't need a numpad back then

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>>59803803
>You talk as if TKL and 60% are a recent thing,
I know you kids like to think special keyboards for terminals is mainstream but it's not.

It is a recent thing to use a baby keyboard for a desktop application.

>>59803869
No most computers come with small compact keyboards, Look at the best selling PCs and you'll see that full size keyboards are a recent thing.

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>>59804153
>No most computers come with small compact keyboards,
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?&id=pcat17071&type=page&ks=960&st=categoryid%24pcmcat212600050008&sc=Global&cp=1&sp=&qp=currentprice_facet%3DPrice~%24100+-+%24149.99%5Ecurrentprice_facet%3DPrice~%24150+-+%24199.99%5Ecurrentprice_facet%3DPrice~%24200+-+%24249.99%5Ecurrentprice_facet%3DPrice~%24250+-+%24499.99&list=y&usc=All+Categories&nrp=15&iht=n&seeAll=&browsedCategory=pcmcat212600050008

All the computers on the first and second page of BestBuy's top selling basic PCs come with fullsize keyboards.

Dumb fucking gen Y kids man. Dumb as bricks.

>>59804202
Thanks for completely missing my point, but then again you are a dumb anime poster.

>>59804239
This how you handle getting proven wrong?

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>>59804251
No we were talking about old computers, you're the one who brought up a list of modern PCs, and I do agree that full size keyboards now come on modern computers. I said that in my first post here>>59803803. I thought you were capable of following a conversation, but I guess I should have been more specific, and I apologize. Again let me repeat this post >>59804153
if you look at the best selling PCs (this is in the context of old computers throughout the ages) you'll see that full size keyboards are a recent thing. DO you understand now, or should I animate it.

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>>59804293
>I meant old PCs!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnKm66pYK-Q

End yourself kiddo.

>>59804339
first search result in google proves my point
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_home_computers
You can see full size keyboards becoming popular just before you were born

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>>59804409
Stop. I grew up through this shit and baby keyboards weren't common for home computers.

Some obscure home PC you found off wiki isn't helping your argument.

learning colemak was a mistake, don't fall for the meme lads. Only exception would be if you're a total shut in and never have to use another persons kb or have other people use yours

Are Kailh Speed switches memes?

>>59804425
So did I and most of the computers I used had keyboards in all sorts of shapes and sizes. The only full size keyboard I have is from some old quantex terminal. It would be kinda cool if I could adapt it to work with a modern computer.

>>59804604
Are you not American or something? Just about every home PC since the late 80s has come with a full size keyboard.

>>59804633
My dad was a systems analyst back in the late 1970-80s, and there definitely were full size keyboards, but all the ones we had weren't full size ones. I don't even think standard keyboard size expectations were around. My commodore 64 definitely doesn't have a full size keyboard, and I know other personal computers from the time usually didn't come with them. Who knows tho, after all I am a millennial.

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>>59804703
>late 80s
>commodore 64

Again by the late 80s full size was standard far as far as 1st world home PCs are concerned.

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anyone uses geekkeys' thick pbt? im worried the white ones will let led through on my magicforce

http://www.geekkeys.com/geekkeys-white-blank-thick-pbt-full-keyset/

>>59804974
sorry for 60x38 pic ;w;

Are ducky keyboards good? I want a cheap cherry red.

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Give me a reason not to buy this

>inb4 hacker keyboard
I don't want to have to wait that long to get it and this is more in my budget.

I also happen to like RGB unfortunately

>>59806611
3.25u spacebar will be impossible to replace if you care about that

>>59806511
Yes, Ducky are top tier.

>>59806667
Actually seems the 3.25u right spacebar uses 3u stabs, so you can use 3u caps on it just like the left one.

Retarded question:
A Mac keyboard is compatible with Windows?

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>>59800930
You must understand that in back in early 2016 this keyboard was shilled relentlessly by me and this italian guy. Little did people then know that the keyboard is not actually a functional keyboard. It does not send any information to the computer, all the usb connection does is power an internal microphone and some capacitative sensor that detect when a key is touched. Notice that I said touched, as you can't press the keys down, they are completely static. Upon a key being touched, an internal microphone plays a high quality flac file of a female voice saying "thock" with a strong french accent. Not making a "thock" sound, just literally saying "thock". Everyone who praises this keyboard is simply acting as if it were an actual keyboard out of buyers remorse. Thus it is the greatest meme of all, and grants the owners the maximal number of attainable meme points.

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The WASD are a bit rice, but it works ok.

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>>59807313
"Or know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own"
-1 Corinthians 6:19

Stop doing that pal, Gob loves you.

>>59801052
I should kill myslef

>>59804339
Who gives a fuck about some generic IBM-compatible from the 90s?! The 600 was the only Amiga computer without the numpad, and it was a huge problem with some games. W

>>59799015
Easier to center for ergonomics, more room for your mouse, plus very few people actually use numpads for anything. I like having a numpad, but I'd be open to pairing a TKL board with a separate numpad. Hell, just give me a board with a layout similar to my Thinkpad's and I'd probably be good.

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>>59808253
>Mouse
Lol is this 2007?

>>59808313
Most people don't use tiling WMs with Vi navigation keys. If I did, I'd actually want to have as many keys as possible for custom keybinds.

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>>59808351
I'm talking about this or a trackpoint.

>>59808367
I wish Apple made a keyboard/trackpad combo, with a palm rest and trackpad positioned below the keyboard like a laptop.

>>59808429
Apple's keyboards are god awful. The only reason I keep mine around is because my Model M can't trigger alternative boot modes.
If you have a real keyboard you can just put the trackpad in that position and it'll work fine.

>>59807174
Pretty sure it's been being shilled for way longer than that; I got mine Dec. 2015 and immediately came here to shitpost.

>>59808367
Funny you say that, I typed that message on my Thinkpad, which I'm still using right now. Trackpoints are amazing from an ergonomic standpoint. I actually want a desktop keyboard with a trackpoint more than I want a mechanical. I'd still keep a mouse around for TF2 though.

>>59808313
>Weeaboo image reaction

Lol is this 2003?

>>59808520
>you can just put the trackpad in that position and it'll work fine.
It's not that simple. On a desk, the trackpad would be too high in relation to the keyboard and get in the way because it's raised in the back and not flat. Also I was thinking more along the lines of lap use, which requires them to be attached and have a built-in palm rest.

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>>59808551
Trackpoints are nice, and much nicer than trackpads in general.
I can't go back though. Apple's trackpad's have so much functionality when you pair them with something like better touch tool that it's not worth it to go back for me. Not to mention how accurate they are compared to a trackpoint.

>>59808564
Fuck off normalfaggot.

>>59808579
> On a desk, the trackpad would be too high in relation to the keyboard and get in the way because it's raised in the back and not flat.
That's why I said if you had a *real* keyboard, not one of Apple's MUH-THIN pieces of shit.
Magic Keyboards may look nice, but they're dreadful to type on.

>Also I was thinking more along the lines of lap use, which requires them to be attached and have a built-in palm rest.
I know they had things like this for the original trackpad and keyboard, not sure about the new models though.

>>59808604
>I know they had things like this for the original trackpad and keyboard, not sure about the new models though.
All of the ones I've seen just attach the trackpad next to the keyboard, which I find impossible to use ergonomically. I've never seen one that actually makes it laptop style with a palm rest and trackpad mounted below the keyboard.

Can anyone explain to me the benefit of a split spacebar? I'm curious about it, but not entirely sure how it's a benefit. I do feel like my hands shift inward to hit my spacebar from the center of the key sometimes, so maybe that in itself would be a huge benefit to me (not having to move my hands back outward, that is.)

>>59798907
/mkg/ has been on /g/ for a very long time, pal.

>>59808629
And /g/ has been shit for a very long time too.
Coincidence?

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>>59808523
It's been around since longer than that, but the bulk of the shilling came with italobro telling everyone to buy a HHKB and me posting meme pictures of it

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>>59808619
Here's one I found for the old models that has the trackpad under the keyboard. I can't find ANYTHING for the new models though.

>>59808641
Not really. All boards turn to shit when poorfags like you start complaining about trivial shit instead of ignoring it.

>>59808664
Well that looks pretty usable.

I have the old keyboard but not the trackpad...

>>59808664
why are her fingers so stiff?

>>59808727
I haven't posted on /a/ much since 2008. Also you're breaking the rules by going off topic. Enjoy your ban.

>>59808604
I'm personally not a fan of Mac-style trackpads. Clicking the trackpad itself feels awkward as fuck compared to having dedicated buttons. Still, it's probably better than my X230's trackpad, which I used for a day when I lost my trackpoint cap. That thing literally hurt my fucking wrist.

>>59808765
>you're breaking the rules
>Said the avatarfag

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>>59808819
The lack of physical buttons is what makes the trackpads so good.
Pic related, it's my current setup on a global basis.

>>59808862
You must be really new if you don't know what reaction images are.

>>59808897
I guess being able to use smartphone gestures is kinda cool, but I'm gonna stick with my trackpoint. I just like how it allows you to move your mouse cursor while keeping your hands near the keyboard's home row. Being able to scroll by holding the middle button is great too.

>>59808943
Most of those are actually "Force" clicks. If I click with three fingers I do a middle click, but if I click hard with three fingers it closes the window/tab that's currently under my mouse cursor.
If I press with 4 fingers in Safari it's set to refresh 4chan X, but if I press hard it refreshes the page completely. Stuff like that is what makes it way useful.

>>59808992
For me that sounds like it would be a hassle, I rely heavily on tactile feedback, and I'm still mourning the death of phones with thumb keyboards.

>>59809039
It has a motor in it that simulates clicks. It's not a vibration like on a phone, it physically feels like you're pressing down on something.
It's not as nice and clean of a click as the old trackpads, but it's good enough.

>>59809084
Interesting. The last time I used a Mac trackpad was like 2010 or 2011 when I was still in high school, and the Macbooks they had were from like 2008 or 2009. I couldn't stand those things.

>>59808604
I hope your mom goes crazy, mistakes a doll for her child then hangs herself.

>>59809112
Macbooks from that era (Not Macbook Pros) had normal touchpads with a single button if I remember right. I can't imagine how awful they were.

>>59809178
I haven't seen her in almost 10 years now. I hate her.

>>59809195
The ones I remember using were definitely no newer than 2010, and I remember them having these hugeass touchpads you had to physically click down. They were really annoying to use.

>>59808943
>gestures
What kinda meme is this shit?!

>>59809436
I dunno, but it makes more sense on touchscreen devices than on laptops, IMO.

I just bought a Topre board last week and I have to honestly say its a meme switch. Cherry blues are far superior to Topre. The only reason I still use it is for work because my blues will annoy my coworkers.

>>59808622
drift and if you only use one thumb for space and the KB is reprogrammable you can set the other spacebar to backspace or enter or whatever

>>59807313
i mean, guns and shit paired with keyboard i'm ok with, but brah, just do smoke some weed

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I might join in on the adding random stuff i own

I have blacks and I'm happy with them

>>59810790
blacks are the worst mx switch

>>59811037
I'm liking them, i would prefer to live with blacks over browns like all my friends have

>>59811037
I like blacks

>>59811187
I like you

What are some decent options for Tomorrow board besides realforce? I am considering getting one.

Can we wire mechanical key switches to a pcb?

>>59811708
Yes.

>>59811669
Fucking TOPRE not tomorrow, goddamn autocorrect.

>>59811669
>>59812229
HHKB

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getting 10 WPM on this

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>>59807174
i had mine around 2013-14 way before you guys made it into a meme

>>59812776
relearning typing for new keyboard layouts takes at least two weeks.
this needs more thumb keys imo.

>>59812981
No the HHKB became a meme keyboard back when the linux journal praised it in 1998

>>59812981
>endgame
>rubber dome

You don't belong here, fuck off

>>59813345
wheres yours?

>>59799875
What is the correlation between guns and keyboards? There's no link so it is just a measurement of epeen?

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>>59813386

Are XDA keycaps made by more than one manufacturer, or are they like DSA and SA keycaps?

>>59813443
mah dick

>>59798471
looks shite

>>59799015
how many adapters do you need to plug that into a mac? no h8

I'm just gonna tip my fedora to the guys posting keyboards and guns everyday, always makes me smirk :]

>>59813433
tell me about getting food stamps anon

>>59815159
are you a person of colour?

>Want blank mechanical keyboard
>$100 buckaroos
>Don't want it anymore

Every single day.

Where all the /tada/s at bois?

>>59812776
what caps are those?

>>59812981
are you sad that youre entering the mainstream?

>>59815360
i originally wanted to build a keyboard myself but the tada68 configuration on aliexpress is pretty much exactly the one i would have built
i'm a bit torn now because just buying a preassembled keyboard gives no bragging rights and it won't really feel like mine but there isn't any reason to build the same thing but worse and more expensive myself

>>59815748
Does it run qmk or tmk? If no fuck it.

>>59815890
qmk works afaik

Just got an MX switch tester today because I was curious and man do they feel like dogshit. The only decent ones were the blacks.

>>59816084
What options does it have

>>59816084
ok

>>59816102
green, blue, black, red, clear, and brown

They all had this weird friction resistance when pressing them down except for the linears. It didn't feel like resistance from the spring or tactile mechanism.

>>59813443
Fucking millennials and their baby keyboards

Clearly this is for gamer NEETS, how are you supposed to do real work without dedicated ‘F’ keys and a keypad?

>>59815497
the alphas are thick lasered cherry pbt (probably from a WKL g80/g81)
the blanks are cherry profile thick pbt blanks (made by npkc) from massdrop

>>59816166
Odd, what you describe sounds like it should also apply to blacks, which are notorious for the terrible Cherry moulds leaving pockmarks all over the slider.

Maybe try Gateron switches if you want less friction overall.

>>59810759
I wish he'd just drop the shit too. On the other hand, a drug addict spamming /mkg/ is at least a problem that's unlikely to last long. Pretty soon, he'll sell that KB for drug money, and then die.

>>59816507
I just want to know where all the dragon dildo people are

Normally they jump at the chance to take photos with their monstrous fake cocks in them

>>59816615
A gay man indirectly bragging about how stretched his anus is isn't any worse than the gunposters, desu, especially as long as he's capable of discussing keyboards.

On the other hand, someone posting hard drugs to /mkg/ is like if a gunposter posted a webm of himself playing russian roulette with a keyboard in the background.

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hopefully the addiction kills him
serves him right for buying RGB shit

>>59817180
>has a gun
>has a eurofag enter key

Where are you, anon?

(Also, I don't endorse your viewpoint. I hope that guy stops the drugs and then dies a natural death, when he runs out of grocery money due to having spent it all to satisfy his keyboard addiction.)

>>59807313
.

>>59817512
>dying

There are still people out there that won't freezze themselves on that russian site?

>>59798439
I'm kind of interested in picking up a MK, but I also hate scalper prices on enthusiasts stuff. What's the general pricepoint beyond which shit is just scalping?

>>59819127
You can get MK for as low as 30 bucks to $2000. what exactly are you looking for

>>59819127
There's not really scalping here. If you want something entry-level expect to spend about $100 USD. If you find a great deal, sometimes you can get something good for about $75, but under that is chink shit territory where you never know if you're getting something good or not.

Custom keyboards usually are $200 or more, but usually they're special stuff where you'll know exactly what you're getting for the money. For example, the kishsaver model F was around $400 but sold out quickly.

>>59819390
I take that back, looks like kishsaver model Fs are still around (and still about $400).

Anyway, the point still is that the expensive keyboards are for people familiar with MKs who know exactly what they want (or are just richfags). For somebody just starting, shoot for $85-120 and you will still end up with a very good keyboard.

>>59819344
>what exactly are you looking for
Analogy, when buying headphones, the Audiotechnica at 130$ are a meme and anything more expensive is pointless from a practical standpoint, and you can get suprisingly good headphones at 25$ (Monoprice), and the OEMs sell highquality as 'offbrand' for pretty cheap 40-60$ (Superlux), and sometimes the chinese knock-offs are better than the name brand (lol Beats), but most people will be perfectly well served by 70$ Sony MDR studio headphones.
Personally, I bought a broken pair of Mixmasters for ~50$ and fixed them then spent the savings on an dedicated audiocard


...but when it comes down to it, even a 1000$ pair of cans only cost anywhere from 2-20$ to manufacture.
and I refuse to pay a 5000% markup just because I'm American.

Are the cheapass chinese a ~75% quality for half the price? Are they readily modded? If so, I'm getting a sub-50$ board and I'll invest more later if I like it.

Tenkey is mandatory.

>>59819464
>85-120$
I guess I'll be delving into chinkshit territory reviews. Those Monoprice headphones were really fucking nice with about 20 minutes of fixing.

>>59819535
Do me a favor and read the links in the OP. For 80-100 bucks you can get keyboards that are fully programmable and have build quality so great that they might even outlast you. Or if you don't care about any of that you can get a cheap Chinese keyboard for 30-50 bucks

>>59819535
Since you're american, an $85 unicomp model M is basically an irreplaceable experience, unless you get something used. But yeah, feel free to get some chinkshit board on banggood and post your opinion of it here if you like it.

The only problem with chinkshit is that if it sucks, then you wasted your money and have no room to complain.

>>59819535
>tfw audiophile and mkfag
thank god my job pays well

Fuck me I had a moment of elation when I realized I have an old Atari ST in my garage, but then found out it's not mechanical nor can it be modded.

>>59819623
>$85 unicomp model M
Looking at buying a used 'vintage' models, they go for under 40$ sometimes. Looks like used/vintage is exactly what I want, the chinkshit is all trying to imitate "gaymer" fancy shit. The plain Monoprice looks exactly right though on sale for 36$ at the moment.

>>59819680
Honestly, for the amount it improves my life, buying a decent pair of headphones and a keyboard was well worth a couple hundred even though I don't make much.

>>59819535
The headphone analogy makes sense to an extent, but you won't be able to fix many keyboards without spending a decent chunk of cash. Even if you build an entire keyboard from the ground up, you'll still need to spend about $0.40 per key just for the switch (and that's on the very cheap end for switches), much less the case, caps, and other electronics. They really aren't marked up much.

>>59819713
just go to goodwill and pick up a dell at101w for like 10 bucks, some might even have a model M

>>59819713
You can't go wrong with a unicomp, unless you hate noisy keyboards. Buckling springs are great for typing, and nobody really criticizes buckling springs even in /mkg/

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>>59819752
>$0.40 per key just for the switch (and that's on the very cheap end for switches)
stop buying cherry shit and get the superior gaterons instead. You can get those closer to 30 cents, or buy them directly from china for around 25 cents a switch.

>>59819795
but gateron doesn't have a good equivalent for cherry clears

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>>59819680
Being an audiophile is suffering.

The Behringer UCA 202 shows that "audiophile" quality DACs can be built and sold for 20-30$. But they intentionally cheaped out on a single transistor on that model to save 50 cents (There's a guide to replace it). Then all other DACs of that quality start at 120$ and up and are marketed to "enthusiasts" who apparently piss money and shit gold.

But anything less will be a waste with decent headphones assuming it even lasts longer than three months.

>>59819795
This piques my interests

>>59819815
and the only reason why is because of reddit ;_;
fuck those guys

>>59819822
Its even cheaper then that. You could get them for as low as 15 cents a switch:
https://world.taobao.com/item/547676367395.htm#detail

>>59819822
the market makes sense when you consider the following facts of economics:
1. pricing is based on what people will pay, and
2. differential pricing (i.e. poor pay less, rich pay more) is more profitable in practice

audiophile shit is just an excuse to create a differential pricing market, it has nothing to do with materials, labor or R&D. it's a perfectly rational market

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>>59819795
>2016+1
>wobblerons
nah sempai Cherrys got that new dank shit now

>>59819998
that shit looks so scratchy I could almost feel it. No thx I'll stick to my smooth and enjoyable switches, while you can continue to spread your lies.

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God fucking damn it, this Model M is giving me a hardon, but it uses an RJ45 connector and a whole different protocol that can't be directly adapted to PS2/USB.

>>59819842
I have no idea what this is referring to (I never go to reddit). How can they be responsible for no cherry clear knockoffs?

>>59798439
Hey guys I bought buckling meme from unicomp and is suck DESU

>>59820068
yes it can, there are converters you can buy that do the job for you, plus the add features like nkro and macro programmability

>>59820092
>unicomp
well there's your problem. should have bought the superior model F

>>59820068
So I'm reading on how I could use this thing: I'd have to use an Arduino or something to interface and custom code it?

I can't find anybody who got this specific keyboard

>>59820096
I'm not 100% certain they'd work with this one, and the converters cost more than the keyboard.

I've seen it with other normal ones with fewer keys. This has way more fucking keys, which is what I want.

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>>59820074
gateron makes zealios which are clones of cherry clears, but those cost 75 cents a switch compared to normal gaterons which are closer to 30. Now there were gateron clones of cherry clears, but the zealios guy got pissy and began to threaten gateron so they stopped making them

>>59820121
>I'm not 100% certain they'd work with this one
They do work and you could also make an adapter yourself using a teensy if you want to DIY something

>>59820121
>>59820168
forgot link
geekWhack.org/index.php?topic=17458.0
(drop the W)

>>59820190
Very nice! Thanks

Apparently this is the "122-key layout", and I don't see any modern manufacture of this layout?

Damn shame. Macros and custom binds would be fucking baller on that thing.

>>59820206
Unicomp still makes them and they have more modern features like USB and windows keys if you need them
http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/category/PC122

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>>59817512
>Where are you
let's pretend it's a mystery

>>59820150
Zeal had an agreement for exclusivity. Are you trying to say he shouldn't have let himself get chinked?

>>59820254
what's this layout called again?

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>>59820333
96 key

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Just put an order for a brand new F77 Model F "kishsaver" reproduction keyboard.

Hopefully I'm not getting meme'd out of $400, anybody else here waiting on theirs?

>>59799015
Anyone know of some tips to clean these keyboards?

>>59820618
Pull the keycaps and wash them with a toothbrush and some dawn dish soap in warm water. Then take the two halves of the external case and do the same thing. Make sure it's all dry before you put it back together.

Take a dry brush to the barrel plate if you need to clean that.

>>59820259
Zeal's a faggot who only cares about making himself tons of money through """premium""" products with high profit margins rather than actually doing good for the community soooooo

Yeah

>>59820618
Take the keycaps off and put them in water with denture cleaner, then run a q tip between the barrels. Thats what I did anyway

>>59820750
>>59820830

Thanks, Anons! The best.

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>>59820573
>spent $400 to type characters on the computer

Stopped by the goodwill on the way home today and picked up an ancient BTC-5100 capacitive and a logitech marble trackball in perfect shape for $4 total. Best stuff I've seen there in awhile. The keyboard even had a DIN to PS2 adapter already. Mostly I was just there to grab a surge protector and a 12VDC power supply. Only paid $3 for those. $7 and change total for all that was pretty nice.

Now I just gotta figure out which of my two BTC-5100's I want to keep. My old one looks nicer since it's the classic black and gray two tone with the bright white lettering but the new one feels better.

>>59817512
Detroit, Michigan. He's an avid ICP fan and Faygo connoisseur.

Ask him about his facepaint.

>>59798474
dunno man, it's been great since the 80s
you keep telling yourself that rubber dome is superior

I use g710+ red. Am I retard?

>>59820573
I want one so bad but I'm gonna wait for the earlybirds to get shipped out so I can see some reviews. Can't decide which color desu. The industrial grey looks too brown in some pics and just fine in others.

>>59820870
Yeah I'm pretty much a sucker for even letting myself spend over $400 on a keyboard.

However once this reproduction run is over they're probably never going to be made again.

I'd rather jump on the opportunity while I can instead of kicking myself in the foot later on.

>>59821067
Personally I just can't stand the off-white/beige color, industrial gray looks much better especially with colored keycaps.

Although I know you can custom order another color for an extra cost, black is also an option too.

>>59821159
extra colors are $300 and then $100 for each additional kb

Anybody have experience with g20 caps? Can you tell me what they're like to type on?

Just got some g20 keycaps for my plum 108 30g. Hasn't arrived yet but I had a look at the page and it showed cherry + topre stems, so i got the caps.

>>59820361
this layout with those keycaps makes me hard

Cherry Red or Silver for gaymen?

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>>59798501
Yo. 35g here.

>>59822227
Try both, see what you like.

>>59821054
nothing wrong with it if you like it

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Is this comfy?

>>59808604
if you think she looks upset in that image Ive got news for you. You might have severe autism.

>>59822239
Are those the blue and white xda's on aliexpress? What are they like?

>>59822930
dsa's on aliexpress*

>>59822930
Nice texture, decently thick, consistent as far as I can see. Eh, I like it. For a price they're excellent.

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Chinese topre knockoffs came lads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2nxdoARuII

where do i buy good keycaps

>>59823789
Read the FAQ

>>59823827
im not paying 40 bucks for colorful plastic bullshit

>>59823869
Well then too bad, cannot help you there.

>>59820121
There are custom model M usb controllers. Like this one:

http://mg8.org/rump/

It should be simple enough to adapt it to the keyboard matrix of your pic related. I used this for a Hungarian layout Model M which had some extra keys.

>>59824010
Same here, i used it for hungarian layout too. Works better than i expected

>>59824082
Huh, nice. What scan code did you set up for the numpad "." on the right? I tried 0x85, but it didn't get registered in the OS at all (linux).

>>59824167
I do not remember, and i am not home, sorry. Have you tried other dot codes?

>>59821159
To be honest I'm pretty fuckin jealous and would buy a kishsaver model For in a flash if I was making over $70k a year. Unfortunately I'm just a grad student for now, so maybe in 3 more years they'll still be around when I have spending money again

>>59824407
Sure, I ended up with 0x37, which is just the regular "." . It works fine, I just wondered how you set it up.

>>59824410
I hate to break the bad news, but they are doing one more production run and thats it.

>>59824461
Nice

>>59824410
>>59824934
And when he says that's it, he means they're literally throwing out the tooling. Even if they wanted to make more afterwards, they'd have to prepare new tooling from scratch to do so.

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>>59820991
>He's an avid ICP fan and Faygo connoisseur.
that's the other guy with the unhealthy walther obsession and the filco with garbage caps

unless, is this you burt, trying to project again

>>59825054
Yeah, I thought as much. Still, props to somebody for making them again at all. Why are they throwing out the tooling, though? Is there not enough demand or something?

The real tragedy in all this, though, is that unicomp doesn't use capacitative switches and their membrane isn't all that great in my experience.

>>59825480
Chyna doesn't want to make them anymore

FUCK
is the tada68 off aliexpress?

>>59825698
Its sold out fami

>>59825825
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Neat.

>>59823314
it sounds really good
not topre good but still

>>59825825
When's it coming back?

>>59826388
buy from taobao

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>>59820573
Yup still waiting on mine, I'm serial number 6, so hopefully I should be one of the first to get it.

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itabro reporting in

I got a question. I made it my business to get a "floating cap"-style keyboard and get custom keycaps for it. But- I have no idea if the keycap profile is a big deal or doesn't matter at all (http://keycapsdirect.com/key-caps.php), both for usability and for style points.

Does anyone have experience with non-OEM profiles? Is it comfy? Does it look nice? How does it compare??

>>59827006
Here is a quick guide:
Cherry>>>no keycaps>OEM>>>>>>>>cowshit>everything by SP

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>>59826820
it's been a while

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>>59827198
>tada68
STOP

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>>59827198

>>59827172
Damn boy. That's fairly comprehensive, but I'm still interested in learning why everything by SP is below cowshit. And I mean reasons besides "to have something to shitpost about".

>>59827367
You are paying $100+ for keycaps, so you'd expect some quality control, but there isn't. With every single set you always get missaligned keycaps, which you can replace for an extra fee. Only if its really bad like a broken stem then they'll send you a replacement, which you also have to pay shipping for.

>>59825480
It's not profitable to sell $400 reproduction IBM keyboards over the long run. Only keyboard autists would ever justify throwing endless money for a brand new Model F and that's simply not enough to keep production going indefinitely.

Honestly I'm pretty amazed they were even able to keep the prices that low, Model F's in their heyday were priced at well over $1000.

Although it would be awesome if somehow they could give the tooling equipment to Unicomp or someone else willing to keep it alive.

>>59798471
>that fucking font size
No.

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>>59827429
>With every single set you always get missaligned keycaps, which you can replace for an extra fee. Only if its really bad like a broken stem then they'll send you a replacement, which you also have to pay shipping for.
When did that start happening?
I've had entire kits replaced pro bono by SP, along with random space bars and shit like that.
Haven't bought anything since Granite R2, though.

>>59826791
At least I'm not the only one thankfully. Funny enough I didn't even know about this project until two days ago, was originally looking at Model M's.

Ordered mine with the full HHKB/Unix layout and numpad+cursor keys on the right side cluster. Pic related.

Almost went for the F62 but I don't think I could live with a 60% keyboard even with function layers.

>>59827618
Tempted to pick up an F62 as well, and maybe some compact cases for both keyboards but that'd be ridiculously expensive.

Your layout sounds pretty dank, I just went for a standard TKL

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>>59827618
forgot pic.

>>59827674
What colour case did you go for?
I went for an industrial F77

>>59827429
hrrk...

So you've bought from them before, I take?

Aren't there other vendors selling other profiles?

>>59827704
Yes.
Gateron/EnjoyPBT, NPKC, GMK, and Vortex make cherry profile keycaps
Maxkey, Vortex and some others make SA and DSA profile like keycaps.
Tai hao has their own profile, but its pretty much a slightly shorter OEM

Phone posting do not reply

>>59827816
Thanks. Back to my original question... what are other profiles like when it comes to look and feel?

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>$100
>US
>Reds/Browns
>>59827955
I want the keyboard to look like this. This is my current one. I just want something that looks clean. If it has LED's it's a plus, but I can do w/o

>>59827975
Rosewill 9000v2

>>59828142
thanks anon

>>59798439
Finally https://www.massdrop.com/buy/ducky-pocket-rgb-mechanical-numpad?1=1&utm_placement=0&referer=UDVGMX&mode=guest_open&utm_campaign=Automated%20Daily%20Promotional%202017-04-10&utm_source=SparkPost&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Daily%20Promotional&utm_content=1491808187522.498349361449854289591398

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>>59828305
why must stuff like this always show up when I have no money to blow on keebs

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Plz r8

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>>59828416
I am now aware of the fact that magicforce makes fullsize keyboards

>>59828305
I juuuuust ordered this today. I hope it's as useful as it looks because it feels like the kind of 70$ mistake eager buyers always make from time to time.

>>59828416
I don't like the chewing gum color combo, but colors aside it looks real sleek.Are those keys backlit or what are they exactly?

>>59828494

Thanks man, It's just the solid Tai-Hao Miami keyset and the Gateron switches with the integrated white LEDs

>>59823314
Pretty accurate sound test. I might open mine up just to lube the sliders, hopefully that should get rid of the scratchy sound.

>>59828305
Whats the point when
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2247
exists

>>59828305
>not truncating the link
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/ducky-pocket-rgb-mechanical-numpad

>>59829413
It's surprising how many tech-illiterate retards use a tech img board isn't it.

>>59829488
The aliexpress ones are even worse

has anyone here ordered from originative to europe here? how long did the shipping take

also redpill me on mod-switches please