/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

>>59765160
Why do the OPs need so much fucking bloat in them?
Who the hell reads that shit?

The last few threads didn't really have any discussion about it: why is systemd bad?

>>59765160
What is systemd?

>>59765182
It's an over complicated solution to a problem that was solved by other means.
It was obsolete before it even began.

>>59765197
An init system.

>>59765180
It's not bloat
That has been addressed by OP himself.
It tries to solve every problem related to Linux. There are defined goals, but new goals constantly pop up because it's a complex and changing area. This isn't your lazy bait thread or your anime desktop thread. It's a crucial general and those things evolve as common practices evolve.

Kill yourself for needing to have basic things explained to you while displaying smugness about your lack of knowledge, idiot.

>>59765211
GNU/Linux*

>>59765197
a meme

>>59765197
it just werks

>>59765228
>>59765205
so it's a meme-it system, gotcha

>>59765239
systemd is the ultimative memegenerator

What distro doesn't have systemd?

>>59765265
void, Gentoo and slackware
Every other distro without systemd is garbage

>>59765205
>An init system that let's you set locales, dates and all sorts of shit like init system do.

can someone sum up the discussion from the last thread?

>>59765265
you could also try BSD without systemd

>>59765326
Noone has any idea how systemd works, people talk out of their asses and parrot what they have heard in order to feel computer literate.

>>59765290
What about Crux - Arch Linux for fit adults?

>>59765337
>bsd
haha, no

>>59765265
also devuan but as >>59765290 said it's hobbyist garbage
ffs the download page uses an invalid security certificate

you might also be able to remote systemd from arch

>>59765342
this basically sums up the whole internet

>>59765356
remove*

>>59765352
why not

>>59765362
if I want a cuckold system, I install windows

>>59765371
That's hilarious, cuck.

OpenBSD is the least cucked system that there is.

>>59765388
keep telling yourself that

>>59765388
>BSD license

>>59765349
I'm interested in Crux, please explain it

What's wrong with systemd? Everyone talking its shit but nobdy why!

>>59765403
It's like Gentoo with less support and choices.

>>59765417
nobody knows why

>>59765394
BSD:
>Sure you can fuck my wife. If you get her pregnant then the child is yours.
GPL:
>Sure you can fuck my wife, but if you get her pregnant I get to keep the child

>>59765417
quick roundup


>write program
>people like it, adopt it in their distro
>more people like it, more people adopt it
>tinfoil hatters cry alarm
>"SOMETHING WANT TO TAKE OVER"
>"ITS THE JEWS"

>>59765417
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Systemd

>>59765441
>things that never happened

>test
>test2
>test3
>test4

>>59765438
>npn blood related child
WTF I love GPL now

so we stick to systemd for now?
I don't think that hobbyware like void or gentoo is worth the hassle

>>59765507
>giving up

>>59765507
Salix is pretty comfy

>>59765518
>implying systemd is bad and using it is giving up

>>59765523
Go see a therapist, you have Stockholm syndrome. Lennart is not your friend.

>>59765533
>source: my ass
no thanks

>>59765533
>hating on people because you hate a program

>>59765547
I hate Lennart for being Lennart and posting shit like https://plus.google.com/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/J2TZrTvu7vd.
And I hate systemd for being systemd.

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>Red Hat employees develop systemd
>Red Hat sponsors Gnome and it's the default DE for fedora and RHEL
>Gnome depends on systemd now, yet other DEs such as KDE and xfce can do the same stuff without the dependency
Really fires up those neurons doesn't it

It's happening: http://www.unity8.org/
>This is a fork of canonical's unity 8 repository as of April 5, 2017. Following Mark Shuttleworth's announcement to abandon unity 8 development, we are planning to continue working with the project.

>>59765560
That link is broken, what does it say

>>59765561
Don't forget that the first bigger distro to adopt systemd was Arch.because tomegun pushed it.
He's an Arch dev but also works for Red Hat and is one of the original systemd devs.

>>59765569
But it's not broken.
Do you use some shitty extension?

>>59765569
the dot at the end is not part of the url

>>59765588
that was the problem, I feel special now

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>>59765568
Gay. You can make GNOME almost exactly like Unity which itself is a butchered GNOME. Canonical will probably ship GNOME fixed up with a few extensions to give nearly the same experience.

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Hey /g/, what's the best lightweight and user-friendly distro for daily use?

>>59765658
I honestly don't understand why dash to dock or dash to panel aren't preinstalled with gnome at this point. it's unusable without them and actually becomes decent when they're installed.

>>59765666

Fedora
Ubuntu
Solus
Mint
Sabayon
Antergos
Manjaro

+ XFCE or Mate

Roll the dice, can't go wrong with any of them.

>>59765805
Half of these are utter crap, especially Mint. Why do people keep suggesting it?

>>59765774
>I honestly don't understand why dash to dock or dash to panel aren't preinstalled with gnome at this point.
They are on several distros. I'm fine with a more vanilla gnome though. Not everyone is into that shit. Workspace panel scroll is the most important extension in my case. I open a few programs in different workspaces and switch between them with my scroll wheel over the panel.

Friendly reminder that plaintext BSD style init is literally the best init ever made.

is it possible to have my linux installed on my computers harddrive, and then I "take" my linux with me and use it as a boot drive on another computer?

>>59765898
you can install linux with your package manager on all distros

>>59765922
I'm sorry i don't quite follow

does rms approve of systemd?

they are coming http://www.freesmug.org/

>>59765935
I guess RMS is the wrong person to ask about the system issue since it's not an ethical one. He only cares about software freedom, so he should be fine with it.

>>59765935
It's GPL software, so yes.
I doubt he uses it though.

>>59765935
It's free software, that's all that matters to him. He doesn't use it and doesn't care about it.

>>59765950
systemd*

do killer wireless cards (1535 specifically) require proprietary blobs?

>>59765984
What are killer wireless cards and what makes them different from regular wireless cards?

Is there any special linux way of recalibrating my laptop battery?

I'm just going to do the standard leave BIOS running until it shuts off, power it on and do it again and keep going until it refuses to power on. Then plug it in for a good 8 hours and power it on at the end.

What's all the fuzz about systemd latly?
I'm using it, should I worry?

>>59766000
every time you boot with systemd a Unix guru loses his beard

>>59766017
kek

Stop keeping systemd on topic. I know what's going on in here. You can't troll me.

I want to play an alarm audio file when I remove my usb stick from my laptop. How could I script that?

>>59766000
systemd is quite possibly an nsa botnet
in all seriousness, it's entirely possible that red hat put a backdoor in for the nsa. it's a complex, critical system component that they aggressively pushed so it became the standard for linux. https://youtu.be/fwcl17Q0bpk?t=22m57s starting at 23 minutes, it becomes obvious that systemd is probably an attempt at this

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Fresh oc, /fglt/ gets to see it first.

>>59765898
Yes there are distros that you can install to a USB drive and use it from there. Search around for live USB distros.

>>59766091
But that doesn't look like Emacs output at all

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>>59766029
>use VOID
>ignore systemd discussion
>transcend

>>59765898
I never tried but saw a guy taking the hardrive from his laptop and put it on another computer and it worked.
I guess it might cause some issues by doing that, like if the GPU aren't using the same drivers, wireless card etc.

>>59765666
if you need something lightweight, try something that comes with xfce. Maybe xubutnu

>>59765568
mir was a mistake they didn't had to create this shit. I wonder if unity would have survived if they were using wayland from the start and dedicating more resources on unity.
Anyway, compiz and unity were two unstable piece of shit


Why people ask the same questions about systemd 5 times per thread ?

>>59766103
They still would have to create a compositor.
Weston a shit

>>59766102
>using literal autism, the distro

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All I need to be happy now are thumbnails in my filepicker. Please help.

>>59766154
install KDE

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>>59766141
It's simple to use and is well maintained. What's autistic about it?

>>59766169
But I want to keep my rice and don't want install a 1,5 gigabyte huge filepicker.

Isn't there a patch for GTK? Can someone help me compiling it?

Gentoo is the only truly aryan distro for whites to use.

>>59766186
fuck off /pol/ack

>>59766186
>package manager written in Python
>whites

>>59766101
He uses lynx or a graphical web browser. 4chan looks the same in either. Depending on your terminal color scheme. It is basically the same thing.

https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html

>>59766186
Gentoo is cancer like Ubuntu and Mint; it invites users to install nonfree software.

>>59766193
You're right, it should have been made in rust or java instead :^)

>>59766195
>posts link to website
>doesn't read website

He clearly says that he's using Icecat with Tor.

Should I try qutebrowser? Anyone itt using itt?

Is something like userstyles and userscripts possible?

>void has no packages and is unusable
I wish this fucking meme would die
>void with nonfree and multilib enabled
11000 packages
>arch with multilib enabled
9000 packages

>>59766219
Qt webkit is outdated and their webengine backend is still experimental

>>59766206
Fuck off, you didn't read the fucking site or your reading comprehension is lacking. Eat shit and die.

"I generally do not connect to web sites from my own machine, aside from a few sites I have some special relationship with."

"I usually fetch web pages from other sites by sending mail to a program (see git://git.gnu.org/womb/hacks.git) that fetches them, much like wget, and then mails them back to me."

"Then I look at them using a web browser, unless it is easy to see the text in the HTML page directly. I usually try lynx first, then a graphical browser if the page needs it (using konqueror, which won't fetch from other sites in such a situation)."

>>59766222
isnt void another dirtro that tries to get rid of gnu?

>>59766231
Friendly thread. Please leave.

>>59766237
AFAIK some stuff is build against musl but glibc is still a thing.

>>59766222
Why are comparing package numbers between a distro that splits packages and one that doesn't? Are you stupid?

>>59766237
you say that like it's a bad thing

>>59766196
Portage lets you mask packages by license.

>>59766231
>I occasionally also browse unrelated sites using IceCat via Tor. Except for rare cases, I do not identify myself to them. I think that is enough to prevent my browsing from being connected with me. IceCat blocks tracking tags and most fingerprinting methods.

>>59766243
>Friendly thread. Please leave
Kill yourself faggot.

>>59766253
Yet their documentation is full of invites about conveniently cuckolding yourself. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Skype https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash

>>59766265
It's almost like freetards lack the mental capacity to not install and not use them. Flash and skype are widely popular, that's why it's mentioned in documentation.

>>59766256
>>59766256
They are all his quotes. Are you implying that he's contradicting himself?

>"I generally do not connect to web sites from my own machine, aside from a few sites I have some special relationship with."

>fetch website with tor and wget-esque program that emails it back to you
>view in icecat

He's not putting links into it dumbfuck he's viewing files in his browser. You must not have known that you can do that. It would be sad if English was your first language.

>aside from a few sites I have some special relationship with
unless he has a special relationship with 4chan he is not going to the link in his browser.

>>59766275
By supporting nonfree software (helping people to install it), they're activly destroying our community, since it teaches the users not to give a fuck about freedom, the source the community is build on.

>>59766348
>It's better programmers and their families starve to death than make or use proprietary software

>>59766360
Nice strawman, but there are better jobs than fucking with peoples freedom in order to get some bucks.

>>59766348
I only give a fuck about good software.
Idealists make shitty engineers.

>>59766384
Idealism made GNU/Linux a thing in the first place.

>>59766384
tbqh, without rms being a stubborn idealist back in the days, would we have this thread right now? open source pracmatics incl. accepting nonfree software made the whole thing stuck.

>>59766379
Stallman said just that, look it up

>>59766409
I did.
>You know, if you were *really* going to starve, you'd be justified in writing proprietary software.

>>59766396
Legal issues with BSD in the beginning made GNU/Linux a thing.
And Linus is a pragmatist.

>>59766420
Stallman is still a complete commie about it. Even if you can block non free packages, it's not true freedom™ to stallman.

>>59766451
Stallmans point is that a free distro should - out of the box - not provide nonfree software. What you do once your system is installed, isn't his cup of tea.

>>59766451
>commie
learn2communism please

fucking uneducated murica

>>59766482
>Voted for Bernie Sanders
>Not a communist
Pick one and only one

>>59766482
The commie thing is indeed an american problem doe to their history. You wouldn't see some eurofag complaining about communism. They'd rather complain about the jews.

>>59766491
>supports capitalism
>is a communist
pick one

what does ctl in systemctl and rc in openrc stand for?

>>59766506
Stallman supports the green party and thinks anyone who makes DRM should go to prison.

I heared that systemd can brick the motherboard, is that true?

>>59766550
So you think DRM is a good idea? I mean, buying something, paying real money, but you don't own what you bought and when some fag decides that your copy should be deleted, it's gonna get deleted?

>>59766551
If you run "sudo rm -rf /", and your motherboard manufacturer uses a retarded implementation of UEFI, it is possible to wipe out your mounted efivars, bricking your board. given that the only reason to run that command is as a joke, and that it's largely motherboard manufacturer's faults that it's possible, not systemd, I wouldn't blame systemd here.

>>59766551
yes https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2402

>>59766562
>People should go to prison because they don't support true freeeeeeedom
You sound more and more like a communist every time you post.

>>59766595
Dude, stop the strawmans and try harder.

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>>59766593
guess 4chan already was there

>>59766599
How is this not communism? Stallman is fine with people dying or going to jail if it means advancing his ideology.

>>59765666
Source Mage GNU/Linux

>>59766617
I never understood the point of deleting comments. If people can't see what happend (and maybe realize that some arguments were good or bad) how does it help? Censoring comments just means "I have something to hide."

>>59766639
And even if the comments say something like "LOL ur a fagget", at least the reader knows with what sorts of people pottering has do deal with.

>>59766634
upvoted
>>59766624
He isn't stop your retard logic.

>>59766656
>>59766639
The problem in the first place is that these faggots are using github.

>>59766686
lmao, have fun getting a job without a github account NEET
>>59766670
>upvoted
>>>/reddit/

>>59766696
>lmao, have fun getting a life without a facebook account
>lmao, have fun getting a gf without a skype account
That's some full force cuckoldry right here. Horey shit.

https://ewontfix.com/14/

I heard theres a way to update the kernel on runtime without rebooting. How to do that?

>>59766670
You haven't once offered a single counterargument. All you've done is put your hands on your ears and went LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU. Reminder that communists have always viewed socialism as a necessary step towards communism.

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how can I defend myself against Void Linux hackers?

>>59766726
You need to use Ksplice.

>>59766749
Will check, thanks.

>>59766244
pls explain
what do you mean by "splitting packages"?

>>59766779
unlicke other distros arch doesnt split packages into source, bins, docs, whatever
everything is put into one package

>>59766790
isn't that good/convenient?

>>59766811
Not if you want a simple and lightweight distro.

>>59766790
Arch Linux also contains proprietary software

systemd just works wtf

>>59766848
nice post

>>59766790
void doesn't do that
packages come with their documents etc

>>59766848
its like, you know, when on windows your commandline pops up for a split second, but everything works

>>59766856
t-thanks

PLEASE NO TROLLING NOW

is systemd a botnet? should I be worried?

>>59766889
yes it is and yes you shold

>>59766000
I guess it's not so bad, but the big problem with it is that it is sometimes buggy, confusing to configure, and tries to do things that an init system has no business doing.

>>59766889
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html

>>59765265
>>59765356
>>59765337
>>59765290

how come no one mentions Source Mage?
they have their own init scripts system

>>59766000
yes

>>59766916
you should suggest source mage to the fsf

>>59766000
it's the nsa

>>59766907
>Myth: systemd is about speed.
>Yes, systemd is fast
Laughing runit users.bmp

>>59766930
they have a nonfree repo (disabled by default) like debian
so rms probably wouldn't accept it

>>59766946
nice to see a fellow runit user, it's much better than openrc, systemd and old scripts.
void?

is systemd a botnet? i don't really understand whats going on.

>>59766993
yes. it sends all hostnames you visit to Google by default

someone post a pro-systemd and a con-systemd link so we can drop it into the op and get rid of it

>>59767020
Character limit.

systemd is a forced meme

just accept it
systemd has no benefits over runit/openrc and a lot of flaws (we established the flaws last thread.)

>>59767061
no we didnt

>>59767016
nice meme

>>59767061
if it has no benefits, then why every major distro adoped systemd instead your hobbyist init? checkmate, faggot

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>>59767061
but systemd makes everything faster!

Can someone noob-friendly explain the problem with systemd? I don't really get what's going on.

Srsly faggots. Stop forcing le communist or le systemd topics. STOP. S T O P. you only ivite retards who think they are in good company.

>>59767167
the problem is that systemd is shit

>>59767167
Ther are people who parrot memes they have heard about. You can easily identify such people; they ususaly post argument-less things like "the problem is that systemd is shit", while not really knowing what's going on.

so once for all, what's all the systemd ranting all about? someone got a tl;dr?

*** WHENEVER ANYONE MENTIONS SYSTEMD BELOW THIS LINE: DO NOT REPLY ***
*** SOLIDARITY AGAINST SYSTEMD MEMES KILLING FGLT ***
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>59767167
It was made to replace and improve a very simple and small component of a typical Linux system but ended up becoming this huge project that now DEMANDS and forces other projects to be compatible with its new functionalities at the cost of compatibility with other init systems.
Security concerns are mainly about its huge codebase that would be very expensive to audit and the increased potential surface of attack.

>>59766989
>void?
Of course.

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>>59767309
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>59767237
...or they make pointless posts where they only accuse others of ignorance while providing no arguments themselves.

>>59767314
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

>>59767116
wtf does firefox depend on systemd now?

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>>59767342
y so mad tho senpai. Linux will always be Linux. GNU will always be GNU. GNU/Linux is the combination of both.

Friendly reminder: this is the list of /g/ approved distros. If your distro isn't here, you need to stop.
>gentoo
>slackware
>void
>trisquel
>parabola
>guixsd

>>59767301
systemd is cacner that needs to be destroyed

>>59767372
+ debian

>>59767366
It actually does:
firefox depends on dbus-glib which depends on dbus which depends on systemd

>>59767372
I'd add crux and alpine in there.

post more rare stallmans, oc welcome
(anyone got some good wallpapers?)

>>59767392
unusable crap

>>59767372
>not mentioning source mage
>not mentioning funtoo
>not mentioning crux

>>59767383
it also depends on pulseaudio now

>>59767116
this is madness

>>59767392
>>59767422
sorry guys I forgot a few good ones you're right
Debian is good, but ruined by systemd. Systemd is only tolerable because the fsf approved distros all use it (aside from guix)

i use tails only fuck other distros

>>59767446
Debian was already shit before systemd

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I made this absolutly amazing, revolutionary new generation program. Usage in pic related. Use it with dmenu, rofi, vim, whatever you want to be colored with your xresources colors.

#!/bin/sh
xrdb -q | grep -Po "(?<=${1}:\t)[^ ]*"

Am I amazing?

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friendly reminder to run your browser in a sandbox (I suggest firejail) if you don't wanna get ransomware'd
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Firejail

>>59767496
good advice, but even better: don't be a gentoo retard and install skype, flash and run ur browser as root :^)

>>59767496
Do you have a report of someone who isn't fucking stupid getting ransomware?

>>59767506
malicious code doesn't need root privileges to fuck up your important personal files, all of which are your home directory

>>59767496
idk dude, this guy, why, literally
people claim installing gentoo turnes you somehow into a wizard and then it turns out these wizards are the same retards like us (and even worse)

>>59767496
friendly reminder that the idiot in your image ran firefox as root

>>59767541
read the thread, that guy unironically infected himself by running firefox as root with flash enabled

>>59767541
Don't fallacy me bro

>>59767566
>>59767573
who cares if the whole system is compromised when all your important stuff already is
you can reinstall your system, but you cannot unencrypt your files

>>59767546
Installing gentoo is the same like installing Arch; you follow a wiki/handbook. The only difference is that you need to wait for hours until a program is finished compiling. There's no special wizardry.

>>59767565
see >>59767541 and >>59767594

>>59767496
That's a CIA false flag

Can you recommend some alternatives to 'cron'? I would like to try something different.

>>59767613
systemd timers

>>59767613
Pretty sure systemd has something like that built in.

>>59767496
THIS POST IS LITERALLY A CIA SHILL.
DO NOT USE FIREJAIL http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2017/q1/21

seriously this >>59767541
can anyone explain why privilege escalation matters when the desktop user has all of his stuff under his account?

>>59767613
cron is making while :; do something; done made convenient. You should use cron. Serously. But if you want to experiment with making a deamon, crate a while :; loop shell script and put your shit in there.

I personally have such a script for better overview. It's a single loop, which checks if my battery is low, what song is playing in mpd, etc.

Learn2script! Questions? Ask.

>>59767631
is there a better simple sandboxing solution?
and please don't say docker

>>59767631
>says not to use software to protect ourselves
>his argument is a bug (as if no software has them) that has been fixed
you're the CIA shill here

void is a stepping stone

>>59767631
kill yourself dumb shitposter

>>59767662
I want something different to cron, that is easier to configure.

>>59767663
sandboxes are snake oil, they increase attack surface as shown. what you just need to do is not fucking run it as root.

>>59767690
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/Timers

>>59767594
>>59767607
>>59767541
Would he have been infected had he not been running firefox as root?

>>59767690
Well, cron is easy, have this cheat sheet.

0 10 * * * notify-send -t 0 -u critical 'Take ur meds!'
# * * * * * Command
# │ │ │ │ │
# │ │ │ │ └───────────────── Weekday
# │ │ │ └─────────────────── Month
# │ │ └───────────────────── Day
# │ └─────────────────────── Hour
# └───────────────────────── Minute

>>59767699
see >>59767607

>>59767703
maybe not in this particular case, but it's certainly possible

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>>59767690
>that is easier to configure.
doesn't do quite the same as cron but that's the only thing I managed to find that is easier to use.

>>59767690
cron is really easy to configure

do you need something for non-repeating jobs? use 'at'

>>59765839
What's so bad about Mint?

>>59767680
He's saying the gentoo idiot who intentionally infested himself was working for the CIA

>>59767707
where does the notification appear?

>>59767711
it's a yes or no question

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>>59767717

>>59767723
Run:

notify-send -t 0 -u critical 'Take ur meds!'

in your terminal. Usually on the display you're on. I have no experience with multi monitors.

>>59767712
>>59767715
I just want a different program than cron

I can't upgrade my Firefox Developer browser. I get this...

 $ pacaur -S firefox-developer
:: Package firefox-developer not found in repositories, trying AUR...
:: resolving dependencies...
:: looking for inter-conflicts...

AUR Packages  (1) firefox-developer-54.0a2.20170402-1  

:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] 

:: Retrieving package(s)...
:: firefox-developer build files are up-to-date -- skipping
:: Checking firefox-developer integrity...
==> Making package: firefox-developer 54.0a2.20170402-1 (Thu Apr  6 10:11:32 EDT 2017)
==> Retrieving sources...
  -> Found firefox-developer.desktop
  -> Found vendor.js
  -> Found firefox-54.0a2.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2
  -> Found firefox-54.0a2.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2.asc
==> Validating source files with sha512sums...
    firefox-developer.desktop ... Passed
    vendor.js ... Passed
==> Validating source_x86_64 files with sha512sums...
    firefox-54.0a2.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2 ... Skipped
    firefox-54.0a2.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2.asc ... Skipped
==> Verifying source file signatures with gpg...
    firefox-54.0a2.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2 ... FAILED (bad signature from public key 1C69C4E55E9905DB)
==> ERROR: One or more PGP signatures could not be verified!
 

Any ideas?

>>59767733
Granted, Mint has renamed xedit to xed https://github.com/linuxmint/xed but thats all.

>>59767759
different how?

>>59767789
something that isn't cron

>>59767727
it edited his motd which required root privileges, but it could've encrypted the file in his home dir nonetheless
the answer here is maybe
if the question was
>is it possible to get infected by ransomware while running firefox w/ flash, playing porn flash games with javascript malware embedded as a non privileged user
yes

>>59767781
>Arch
found your problem

>>59767756
by terminal, do you mean the tty?
because I see nothing on my urxvt's

>>59767781
What is this :: and ==> shit?
Is arch trying to be 1337 hackerish?
:: proxies chained
[x] site hacked
==> enter command:

>>59767797
scron

>>59767798
It requires an exploit for non privileged users, root can do whatever the fuck it wants

I'm not sure if I should get an xps 13 or 15, and the difference basically comes down to if it has a gtx 1050 vs Intel 640. Is Optimus still shit on xorg? Ideally I'd like to either explicitly launch some programs with the nvidia card, or just pick a card in my display manager.

>>59767801
>>59767819
please refrain from shitposting in a friendly thread. thanks.

>>59767817
I meant urxvt, yeah. But you need a notification system like notify-osd, dunst or something like that which accepts notify-send messages. However, whatever notification system youre using, the thing should work. (replace the command with something else).

>>59767825
and a non privileged process doesn't need root privileges to access your home dir and encrypt your files

>>59767821
that's neat! thanks

>>59767853
people who install or maintain arch linux are retards who either
- force a meme
or
- fall for a meme

prove me wrong

>>59767857
just run the browser under a different user - no need for a sandbox

>>59767873
Tell me what distro provides the same minimalism like Arch does. There is no way to rice something like Ubuntu or Debian, since you get lots of bloat with it.

>>59767901
don't bother arguing with him, he's just trying to troll. pointless.

>>59767901
void

>>59767901
Arch isn't minimalist.

"It has never been a minimalist distribution. Splitting packages is rare compared to other distributions, and dependencies aren't made optional whenever possible."

"It has also never been a distribution offering much user freedom / choice compared to Gentoo and even Debian. There are very few cases where there are multiple packages offering different configurations of the same project. There's no equivalent to update-alternatives or the comparable uses of USE flags. Changing /bin/sh from Bash will be broken, as will changing the python symlink to point to python2 instead of python3 even though this works on some other distributions. It doesn't strive to offer choices like this, and never has."

"Arch is the opposite of a user-centric freedom. The opinion of users has no weight here. Only the developers have an opinion, and there aren't voting systems as there are in Debian. Technical decisions are made based on merit via consensus among the developers, not popularity."

"Arch has never been minimalist... a Linux kernel with every module available and every feature enabled at least when there's no non-bloat related cost, feature-packed/complex GNU tools, nearly all optional features enabled across all the packages, etc."

"It has always used significantly more disk space and a measurable amount of additional memory than Debian and especially Gentoo as a consequence of keeping things simple (again, from a development perspective)."

"Memes about minimalism and user freedom != actual distribution policy / principles / history."

t. arch wiki admin
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039443.html

>>59767901
>[X] fall for a meme
You can do a minimal install with Debian

>>59767913
>Arch is the opposite of a user-centric freedom. The opinion of users has no weight here. Only the developers have an opinion
lel, welcome to cuckold linux

>>59767934
GNU/Linux*
>>59767901
You can have a bare bones install with any distro which provides a netinstall "I can rice on arch only" is a stupid meme.

>Archcucks will defend this

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>editing file with nano
>computers freezes (problem with my shitty cheap mobo)
>hard reboot
>file I was editing is completely overwritten with NUL bytes
Woah.

>>59767640
You need root privileges to flag a file as executable, no?

>>59767913
but it is minimalist compared to other distros such as Ubuntu (and all its flavors), Debian, Fedora etc.

PS: You sound like a jaded idiot who tried and failed to install Arch. kek. try again, kid.

>>59767955
minimal installs for desktops are a meme

>>59767913
arch devs see splitting packages as pointless effort, which it mainly is on non embedded systems
so what?
want something really lightweight?
use netbsd
or go full LFS autsim

>trying out gnome in a virtual machine
>open one program, its on the top bar
>open another program, it replaces the previous program on the top bar

how the fuck are you supposed to sort through and manage multiple programs?

>>59767968
no

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>>59767913
The expression “Linux kernel” can easily be misunderstood as meaning “the kernel of Linux” and implying that Linux must be more than a kernel. You can avoid the possibility of this misunderstanding by saying or writing “the kernel, Linux” or “Linux, the kernel”.

>>59767996
i just spilled coffee allover my keyboard 10/10

>>59767960
nano is garbage, not GNU anymore either.

>>59767913
most distros don't have enough time and manpower to waste on package splitting like debian
void is as bloated as arch
and so are many other unpopular distros

>>59768019
a
it's not even the standard editor
.
w

>>59767781
>Any ideas?
try doing

gpg --recv-key 1C69C4E55E9905DB

and try again

>>59767781
>pacaur
Why aren't you using superior yaourt or even pamac or octopi?

>>59768061
I have... that's the 1st thing I did. Still get the same error when it tries to install the package.

$ gpg --recv-key 1C69C4E55E9905DB
gpg: key 61B7B526D98F0353: "Mozilla Software Releases <[email protected]>" not changed
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg:              unchanged: 1
 

I'm at loss... no idea how to proceed.

>>59768077
>Why aren't you using superior yaourt or even pamac or octopi?
are you trolling me or are you just dumb?

no one should ever use yaourt.

And it wouldn't make any difference anyway.

>>59768081
Maybe it's a real verification issue and not a bug. Fuck that especially coming from the AUR.

>>59768094
>no one should ever use yaourt.
are you trolling me or are you just dumb?

>>59768118
>are you trolling me or are you just dumb?
so you're an idiot. got it. pls don't reply or give advice to people ever again. you're a moron.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR_helpers#Comparison_table

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>>59768094
Why do you add an empty line between every sentence?

I don't get it.

Where do people learn to do this?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>59768055
underrarted post
>mfw people itt complain about muh unix and can't see when actual unix is goin on

>>59768160
>autism
get some meds

call your mom

call your physician

>>59768160
He's a redditfag and is used to their Markdown syntax.

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says something nice about systemd

>>59768158
You're fucking dumb and so is that page. Please kill yourself.

>>59768186
Friendly thread.

>>59765160
Maybe not as Linux related but can I make firefox remove cookies when I close the tab that set them?

My problem is when I set never get cookies and set exceptions I end up having to set a lot of exceptions. I just want to set exception for cookies that I want to keep until they expire and let others be deleted everytime I close their respective tabs (not firefox completely). Is there an addon that does this?

where do I put my java classes?

>>59768198
no arguments.

ps: hope you get pwned by using that shit. kek.

>>59768197
It makes people hate Lennart more, which he deserves.

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>>59768217
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>59768218
anime website

>>59768160
>>59768094
It's a tradition for redditors and a reliable way to spot the cocksuckers

>>59768197
It made setting things up easier (not necessarily better).

>>59768235
technology board

>>59768222
the trash

>>59768232
But it is branded as Linux most of the time and that's what they call themselves.

>>59768160
Only time you need spaces is when you're keeping ideas separate that would be best to have it's own paragraph.

>>59768245
which is a subset of an anime website

>>59768254
Linux is the kernel.

>>59768236
sorry, don't go to plebbit.

fucking deal with it.

>>59768267
All lowercase lets me know you do

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>>59768218
enjoy your ban

someone should put
>what is systemd
and
>how to escape systemd
in the OP pasta

people deserve init freedom

>>59768254
When it comes to tech, don't follow bloggers. You'll mostly likely learn bullcrap things like sudo curl <randomurl> | bash, cat something | grep or shilling for "Linux" and "open source". Don't fall for it.

>>59768283
don't waste bandwidth with useless unrelated images
hiro-senpai is trying to make money

>>59768288
>MUH SYSTEMD BUTTHURT
they should just put instruction how to get autism pills instead.

>>59768303
yes true but there are good blogs and bad blogs. the difficult part is finding the good ones.

can someone explain what exactly is wrong with systemd?

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>>59768307
He doesn't mind.

>>59768320
nothing, it's great

>>59768320
everything

>>59768265
Yes I understand but they brand themselves as Linux distributions because the word Linux has been more popular than GNU and surprisingly easier to say.

>>59768303
I don't quite understand what this supposed to mean.

>>59768331
cute, what show?

new systemd thead: >>59768352

>>59768320
Not much. People initially come out against it but I think it has died down a bit. I think Red Hat starting to tie everything to themselves was the part that made people angry. Because if half the Linux developers are from Red Hat and they have the development for the init system that every other thing depends on then that means they've successfully hijacked the whole OS development.

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>>59768158
Do you not realize how these are potentially bad things? I know the squares are green. Maybe that's confusing to you.

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>>59768394
>buttmad yaourt brainlet is pissed
kek'd. love it how you fucking hid the yaourt from that screenshot.

yaourt fucking runs downloaded bash scripts before you even interact with them or have any chance to audit them.

stay mad, stay stupid, get pownd, retard.

>>59767690
try systemd timers