/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

I want to play with Dark Magician Girls breasts.

first for void leenugs

first for init freedom

first for void is for teenagers

>>59768382
that would be arch

can someone explain what exactly is wrong with systemd?

>tfw no systemd-free distro supports my SBC

>>59768352
KILL YOURSELF BITCH

>>59768398
nothing, it's perfect

>>59768410
rude

Any good guides on migrating arch to openrc or not systend?

>>59768398
it's a threat to freedom of choice on GNU/Linux

Is that Dark Magician Girl?

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say something nice about systemd

Any good guides on complelty de-gnu my void system?

Also, somehow when I run screenfetch I get this error:

zsh: command not found: screenfetch
what do?

I'm on void if it matters.

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Here's a fun thing to do
1. Enable sshd
2. Open port 22
3. See how long it takes the botnet to find your machine.

>>59768454
1. Don't
2. install neofetch
3. xbps-install -S screenFetch if you really want screenfetch

>>59768454
I think messing with alternative libcs and cc is a bit too tough for someone who can't even deal with installing software.

>>59768422
there are plenty
you just have to use a search engine

any guides on how to install arch with wayland?

ONCE FOR ALL

what is /fglt/'s recommended distro?

>>59768454
there is no link to the screenfetch script in /usr/bin.
run

 ln -s /path/to/screenfetch.sh /usr/bin/screenfetch 

then re-run screenfetch from terminal

>>59768484
Salix

>>59768483
what's wrong with the arch wiki article on wayland

>>59768482
Wowthx 4chin

>>59768484
There is no such thing, because /fglt/ isn't one person with one need.

>>59768484
Souce Mage GNU/Linux

>>59768422
Why? Systemd is great! The design of systemd as a suite of integrated tools that each have their individual purposes but when used together are more than just the sum of the parts, that's pretty much at the core of UNIX philosophy. Take the redpill systemd is great and all of the negative things people say are myths.

http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html

>>59768450

pottering did nothing wrong

all these anti-systemd distros are made by 13 year old autists, do not run

>>59768530
half of these are completly timewaste trolling distros, why even post...

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>>59768484
Manjaro is the official GNU/Linux distribution of /fglt/. Anyone who says otherwise is fake news.

>>59768484
one of these
>gentoo
>funtoo
>slackware
>CRUX
>void
>source mage
>parabola
>trisquel
>devuan
>GuixSD

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>>59768541
Confirmed.

>>59768541
>not backporting security patches
lel

>>59768567
confimed

>>59768587
>lel
>>>/funnyjunk/

>>59768541
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you are referring to as manjaro is in fact forgot-to-update-their-certs-twice-oops-our-devs-dont-know-shit-about-security/Manjaro or as I recently been calling it, a joke distro made by incompetent fucks that isn't worth installing over all the other noob-friendly Arch distros.

>>59768587
Sorry, I am not aware of this. Maybe this is not something concerning to average users.

>>59768604
lel

>>59768600
lel

>>59768604
Running a system with known vulnerabilities definitely concerns average users.

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>>59768602
>>59768615
>>59768587
>>59768634

SRSLY YOU FUCKING BROKEDICKS

ITS ENOUGH

WE HAT 6 THREAD ABOUT SYSTEMD

STOP IT

HOLY SHIT

>>59768650
There's nothing wrong with telling people the truth about systemd.

>>59768641
>implying I'm an Arch baby

>>59768650
Potter pls, just admit systemd was a mistake.

>>59768650
fuck off lennart
we shall have init freedom

Hey foogy looty, how is Crux? I'm thinking of trying it on my memepad

>>59768650
can someone explain what exactly is wrong about shitting on systemd?

I have a completly different point of view.
I see pottering advocating "Open Source", and that's what wrong with him. Reminds me a bit of Linus (also a Google+ poster advocating open source insted of free software). How about this.

>>59768668
>>59768681
see >>59768518

could someone pls sum up a tl;dr about the systemd issue?

>>59768720
systemd is bad and you should feel bad for using it

>>59768720
it's made by a homo

>>59768720
/pol/: "IT'S THE JEWS WANTING TO TAKE OVER"
/g/: "meh, red hat trying to be monopoly, fuck these guys"
non-braindrwad: whatever, freedom remains whatever will happen

>>59768720
it's imaginary

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>>59768720
Sure. Hold my bag I'll be right back.

>>59768455
No one wants to try?

>>59768697
m i n i m a l as fuck, good timesink if you enjoy tinkering with your system.

>>59768720
It's a mystery.

>>59768749
neck yourself lennart

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Now that Ubuntu's dead, what's the best distro in 2017?

>>59768773
fuck off with your hate speech

>>59768781
same as every year
debian

>>59768781
The same as in 1993-2017: Debian GNU/Linux.

>>59768781
DLD

>>59768720
systemd is perfect
it's a perfect implementation of an attack surface for the CIA and NSA
in other words, it's a trojan horse

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>>59768781
Easy.

>>59768781
Debian

>>59768788
fuck off with yout sjw bullshit

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>>59768781
Debian.

>>59768827
>>59768828
>>59768849
I would've agreed with you before it jumped on the systemd bandwagon

I'm about to buy a new laptop, what hardware should I avoid to not have issues with Ganoo Loonix? From what i know almost every hardware is supported at this point but some are dodgier than others.

>>59768352
I remember when the flt first started. It was actually a "friendly", worthwhile, informative thread with minimal autists. Now its just like the rest of the shit that inhabits g. Such a shame.

>>59768849
>>59768828
>>59768827
cuckedian* or, as I've recently taken to calling it, sjwbian*

>>59768876
amd

debian is not what it once was
slackware is the only pure distro left

>>59768882
when "flt" started, it was a complete desaster filled with common cancerous disinformation, it even recommened linux mint in the op and linked to reddit

I like systemd because it's easy to use
am I a bad person?

>>59768876
Anything with Nvidia Optimus

>>59768382
>>59768396
Both are for teenagers.

>>59768933
what's hard about using runit?

>>59768373
Me too.

>>59768946
it's a hassle to install desu

>>59768920
>implying reddit hasn't got all the best /g/ posters nowadays

So it had teething issues. IT gradually built up relevant, accurate, sensible information as it went on day by day. Now its just filled with retards like every other /g/ thread,at best its now another distro flamewar containment thread

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>>59768720
>>59768824

Since systemd was first proposed it has been frequently discussed in many forums, mailing lists and conferences. In these discussions one can often hear certain myths about systemd, that are repeated over and over again, but certainly don't gain any truth by constant repetition. Let's take the time to debunk a few of them:

Myth: systemd is monolithic.

If you build systemd with all configuration options enabled you will build 69 individual binaries. These binaries all serve different tasks, and are neatly separated. Many of these binaries are separated out so nicely, that they are very useful outside of systemd. A package involving 69 individual binaries can hardly be called monolithic.

Myth: systemd is not UNIX.

There's certainly some truth in that. systemd's sources do not contain a single line of code originating from original UNIX. However it derives inspiration from UNIX. In fact the design of systemd as a suite of integrated tools that each have their individual purposes but when used together are more than just the sum of the parts, that's pretty much at the core of UNIX philosophy.

Myth: systemd is bloated.

Well, bloated certainly has many different definitions. But in most definitions, systemd is probably the opposite of bloat. Since systemd components share a common code base, they tend to share much more code for common code paths. Here's an example: in a traditional Linux setup, sysvinit, start-stop-daemon, inetd, cron, dbus, all implemented its own scheme to execute processes with various configuration options in a certain, hopefully clean environment. On systemd the code paths for all of this, for the configuration parsing, as well as the actual execution is shared. This means less code, less place for mistakes, less memory and cache pressure. systemd is also pretty modular. You can choose at build time which components you need, and which you don't need. People can hence specifically choose the level of "bloat" they want.

>>59768978
depends on the distro

>>59768915
Gentoo is fine too

>>59768986
Reddit is open source cancer. We got all the good pasta and OP stuff, infographics etc from the gnu fanatics.

I'm having some problems with rutorrent
I keep getting these errors:
Tracker: [Unable to connect to UDP tracker.]
Tracker: [Couldn't resolve host name]
Tracker: [DHT search unsuccessful.]
rutracker_check: Plugin will not work. Webserver user must have execute access to the rtorrent session directory (./rtorrent/session/).

here's my .rtorrent.rc

scgi_port = localhost:5000
throttle.global_down.max_rate.set_kb = 0
throttle.global_up.max_rate.set_kb = 0
directory.default.set = ./rtorrent/dl/
session.path.set = ./rtorrent/session
session = ./rtorrent/session
schedule2 = watch_directory,5,5,load.start=./rtorrent/torfile/*.torrent
schedule2 = untied_directory,5,5,stop_untied=
schedule2 = low_diskspace,5,60,close_low_diskspace=100M
network.bind_address.set = 0.0.0.0
network.port_range.set = 6881-6889
network.port_random.set = yes
pieces.hash.on_completion.set = yes
trackers.use_udp.set = yes
protocol.encryption.set = allow_incoming,enable_retry,prefer_plaintext
dht.mode.set = on
dht.port.set = 6891
protocol.pex.set = yes

>>59769004
do you enjoy being a cuck?
or do you not realize you're being cucked

>>59769004
stop posting gay penguins

>>59769012
So essentially you've got memes, plus the occasional useful infographic. Reddit has sensible discussion on tech, or at least more so than /g/ currently has

>>59768483
Install GNOME then select the default session (not GNOME on xorg)

>>59768876
Just get a Thinkpad.

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>>59769004

>>59769041
reddit just parrots common knowlege (however wrong it may be), they don't think for themselves and it's usefule on reddit to do so, since it gains you upvotes

>>59768915
>>59768803
>>59768808
>>59768849
>>59768828
Debian is trash because they have some fucked up desire to fuck with packages when there's no reason but just because they can

I want to suck a lennart cock I want it hard in my anus, reeaaal haard pls pls pls give it me lennart

>>59768946
Are systemd alternatives faster than systemd in initiating daemon services?

>>59769058
Yes.

>>59769055
t. butthurt archfag

>>59769054
reddit completly REKT

>>59769065
Where are the benchmarks? :DDD

gibe me de cocko lennarto

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>>59769030
>>59768352
It should be Linux/GNU now. The kernel has overtaken GNU in size.

>>59768781
Fedora

>>59769055
You wanna back up your claim with any source?

>>59769054
Reddit can't handle stuff too weird for them. /mlp/ alone drove reddit off /mlpol/ thanks to their autism.

Daily reminder that Gentoo, Arch, Void and Slackware is a timewaste and when you run it, you do it only for for sole purpose of enlarging your small real life penis online.

how do we fix /fglt/?

>>59769083
Just say GNU + Linux because addition is commutative.

>>59769054
>parrots common knowledge
didn't this thread start off as a common knowledge and questions thread for people who want to get into linux?
>they don't think for themselves
as in they'll just accept whatever is said? If so, how is the shit slinging "MUH DEESTRO IZ BETR THAN URZ CUZ I SED SO" that goes on here any better?

>>59769083
Or just Linux

You know give people a reason to interject

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>>59769021
pls respond

>>59769087
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/05/random_number_b.html

>>59769096
If it ain't broke...

>>59769055
what do you mean? how do they fuck with packages?
>>59769073
Calm down child, let the grown ups talk

>>59769096
it's fine, systemd posting made it better

>>59769021
Try reading those errors. Seriously. I'll give you some hints: for the first through third error try looking into your firewall, and for the last one you need to check some file permissions.

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>>59769083
It is right and proper to mention the principal contribution first. The GNU contribution to the system is not only bigger than Linux and prior to Linux, we actually started the whole activity.

However, if you prefer to call the system “Linux/GNU”, that is a lot better than what people usually do, which is to omit GNU entirely and make it seem that the whole system is Linux.

>>59769096
like you'd fix Debian

remove systemd

>>59769115
its broken

>>59769096
it's better now..

>>59769096
Change its init system to runit

systemd just works wtf

>>59769087
>>59769116

Ffs they disabled the use of extensions in Chromium. I'm sure you'll find a 'good' reason for that. I thought it was common knowledge that Debian flavors everything from upstream. They 'know what's best'.

>>59769125
RARE (any more rare stallmans?)

>>59769113
So, Debian is owned by NSA?

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>>59769004
No way. Why do so many people lie about systemd?

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>>59769124
I've got everything required in the firewall wide open, most of the other torrents running work just fine
it comes up with that even though the session is retained if I kill rtorrent

/fglt/ or as I've recently taking to calling it
> /fgltwsa/ - friendly gnu/linux thread with systemd added

>>59769149
Calm your tits autist, Im not defending the decision im actually curious

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>>59769170

>>59769149
>Chromium
Try caring about your freedomz some more.

>>59769176
> /fstwgla/ - friendly systemd thread with gnu/linux added *

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>>59769151

>>59769125
Are gnu hurd?

>>59769176
>>59769197
GNU/FGLT or GNU+FGLT

>>59769197
> /nsfstwgla/ - not so friendly systemd thread with gnu/linux added *

>>59769210
it's systemd/gnu/linux

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>>59769151
Another try.

>>59769210
That's more like it

who IS rms?

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>>59769083

>>59769267
some faggot who think's he's more important than he actually is. /g/ autists further this false belief

Do I still get checksumming on BTRFS when using it on a single drive or volume?

>>59769267
The guy who made free software, the gpl, gnu, linux, bsd, and everything possible and he's still on it to fighting.

>>59769293
What after when he kicks the bucket?

can someone explain to me in imple terms what the fuck systemd does?

>>59769269
so funny as it looks, it's more accurate than >>59769083
>implying you run kde and gnome on the same system
>implying the ammount of software changes the operating systems name

systemd is alright for daily usage

>>59769316
His soul will be equally redistributed between all GNU/Linux users.

>>59769327
It's supposed to start your system, but now it also can brew coffee and act as a mail server.

>>59769327
it d's your system IFYANOWATAMSAYIN

>>59769316
I don't think we will find a replacement with the same idealism as stubborness. We need to fight for ourselves. That's RMS' endgame.

Can anyone give me a quantitative estimation of how much time would it take to compile usual stuff (like web browser, email client etc) on Gentoo with a machine like Thinkpad x220? Also, post your experience with Gentoo on older devices than x220.

Do I need top of the line processors to be able to compile everything from source like we usually do in Gentoo?

>>59769358
as an advocate for consumers and end users standing up for their rights, i suppose he has some merits

>>59769327
no, the list of things of systemd does is ever growing and includes diverse tasks like daemon respawning, ntp syncing, a virtual console, and many many more

display servers are a much larger attack surface than systemd
how come no one complains about the fact that we only have 2 of them, one of which is a Red Hat project?

>>59769327
It's a service that starts other daemon services on your system.
That's all I know.

>>59769386
I don't run my display server as root

>>59769358
But who will lead the herd after he's gone? Will we have to put up with enterprise bullshit?

>>59769386
>using a display server

>>59769408
how do you post in this thread without one?

>>59769415
carrier pigeon. 4chan is actually 1 pajeet per board furiously typing posts as they arrive by bird mail

>>59768567
>a literal list of the worst distros to use a daily driver

Kys pls

>>59769428
wrong

>>59769428
Please write one paragraph of criticism for each distro in this list.

>>59769428
>using the term `literal`
>using the term `kys`
go back to youtube you ""literal"" twelve year old

>>59769434
Is this legit?

>>59769434
What's his reply to "Please die"?

>>59769490
Probably exactly the same

systemd is a tool for redhat control
and it will not be tolerated in my thread

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>>59769472
basically you can verify is something is fake or not by checking it the format is correct

rms edits mails in emacs and runs format on it, which means, specific character width wrap and two spaces after sentences (man fmt).

pic related for example is a fake mail.

that said, nothing stops some troll to format a mail in emacs style.

Should I not use Gentoo if I don't run a workstation grade system?

Compiling seems to be a really system resource intensive task that older machines can't seem to handle.

so should I run firefox under a different user to prevent ransomware?

>>59769555
virtual machine if you're worried about it

>>59769555
To prevent malware don't connect to the internet. To be abit more safe, run firefox is a jail (for example with firejail).

>>59769555
just back up your files regularly

protects against ransomware and many other things

>>59769555
What kind of autism is this?

Also, nice digits.

>>59769573
>>Virtualization seems to have a lot of security benefits.
>You've been smoking something really mind altering, and I think you should share it.
>x86 virtualization is about basically placing another nearly full kernel, full of new bugs, on top of a nasty x86 architecture which barely has correct page protection. Then running your operating system on the other side of this brand new pile of shit.
>You are absolutely deluded, if not stupid, if you think that a worldwide collection of software engineers who can't write operating systems or applications without security holes, can then turn around and suddenly write virtualization layers without security holes.
>You've seen something on the shelf, and it has all sorts of pretty colours, and you've bought it.
>That's all x86 virtualization is.
t. Theo de Raadt
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119318909016582

>>59769555
>randomware
lol no, are you serious?
I doubt there even is any ransomware for Linux at this point. You don't even really have to worry about malware either.

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>>59769590
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1060828-start-0-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-.html

>>59769610
see >>59769618

>>59769472
yeah, check the archives
it's some 4chan anon

daily reminder that bsd fags try to divide us by forcing systemd memes in order to get for bsd

I'm using mdadm and ext4 to pool 4x4tb drives together. Is it somehow more dangerous to use raid0 than simply spanning the disks? I have a separate backup for the whole array so I'm good on that front. I just thought I might as well make use of the extra throughput raid0 offers instead of just letting 3 of the disks idle mostly.

>>59769618
I'll just wipe my disk and start over. I don't have any important data that's not backed up.

Also, that's pretty rare case.

>>59769653
us*

I remember the sheer hate systemd used to get on this board. now it seems to be the cock-in-the-ass of choice. wtf happened?

>>59769653
Actually, Arch fags are the most repulsive community. Their autism really intimidates the average Joe from getting into Linux because of their elitism.

>>59769618
>>59769631
Like they said in the first few posts. The guy got _hacked_, by a human being attempting to specifically hack his system. He didn't just pick up that shit by browsing websites that had automatic exploits for his system or anything.

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>>59769684
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

when I try to run firefox under another account it says
>No protocol specified
>cannot open display
even though I set the DISPLAY var to :0
what do?

>>59769688
Backups would still be a help

can someone sum up all the fuzz about systemd so that a newfag like me can understand wtf is going on?

>>59769753
You don't need to bother with systemd if you're a noob in Linux.

>>59769753
see >>59769350

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>>59769753

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>>59768352
baka

>>59769761
GNU/Linux*

>>>/a/

>>59769774
>>>/a/

>>59769780
(GNU + Linux)*

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>>59769769 <--

>>59769736
Backups are a good idea for lots of reasons. I'd say that should be more than enough to set that anons mind at ease.

Running firefox as another user is way too paranoid considering how low of a target random GNU/Linux machines are to malicious websites.

>>59769798
-->>>59769801

>>59769753
https://ewontfix.com/14/

>>59769753
it's a meme you dop

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>>59769798
Can anime protect us against systemd?

>>59769824
Saying things are memes which really aren't memes
is a meme

>>59769826
anime only protects from reproducing

>>59769826
Anime will protect your from HIV, sure.

>>59769841
nice meme

>>59769860
Actually I'm the first person on the entire internet ever to say that.
I just checked.

Is systemd a meme? I really need to know.

lennart will not divide us

>>59769889
>people discuss topic and get mad
>topics fault
nice logic

>>59769872
>>59769889
SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY

Just install something else if you're really that autistic about systemd for god's sake. Why so much fuss about just an init?

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>>59769826
oh anon

what exactly is wrong with systemd? please respond

>>59769872
Yes, systemd itself is literally a meme. It was not the first piece of software to solve the problems it solved, and almost nobody (other than its own developers) claim that it is well designed.

It only got so big because it was aggressively marketed and hyped. Literally a meme.

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>>59769905
Think of the lolis!

>>59769909
Go back to your containment board >>>/a/ and never come back.

>>59769916
just some edgeloard teens trying to look tech literate, do not bother

>>59769927
Shoo, BSD shill.

>>59769905
Oh look here come the systemd shills.

Of course when systemd was being aggressively shoved down our throats we never saw these people saying to "just shut the fuck up already" right?
It's only after we've been conquered that suddenly they care about the status quo.

>>59769931
technology board

>>59769916
Read actual articles on the issue by people who do know what they're talking about. Don't trust Ubuntu-fags like >>59769936 who literally know nothing about systemd other than "just werks"

read >>59769819

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>>59769971
technology image

This systemd thing is the most laughable, funny and embrassing thing I've ever seen in /fglt/. Everyone baits. What the hell, kek.

>>59769971
anime website

>>59769994
You realize this is a _massive_ issue in the GNU/Linux community at large?

The fact that you think it's an /fglt/ thing just shows how little you know about what's going on.

>>59769977
tell me how other ints are better than systemd please?

im using openbox, should i even go for a system tray? any good recs? i used tint2 and hated it

>>59770012
https://ewontfix.com/14/

>>59770018
Are you using systemd?

>>59770012
Runit work better and faster, is a fuckton less code and so is openrc. What's the point of systemd, son?

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>>59770030
死ね!!!

>>59770024
Pls leave the noobs alone. They did nothing wrong. >>59770018 tint2 has some tray functions, go with it, but there are also some alternatives like standalonetry, etc. Check the Archwiki.

>>59770030
No go away.

>>59770030
>hating on people because you dislike a program
You're cancer, kill yourself.

alright lads I've come up with an unusual idea of how to listen to music

naturally I have a fuckton of it and putting it all on my phone is difficult
so I was thinking - why not set up an SSH server on my PC and stream music from it through SSH whenever I'm not home?

am I missing something here or did I actually come up with a good idea?

>>59770042
noobs are disgusting and their ignorance is enabling shit software like systemd and all the fdo crap

>>59770060
>letting some 10 year old Swedish cake boy dictate the future of Linux

You're cancer, kill yourself.

>>59770060
>implying even poettering thinks his software is good and that he isn't laughing at all the retards using his garbage that he gets paid to shove down our throats

>>59770071
Then educate them instead of being a faggot.

Friendly thread means friendly education.

>>59770060
You can completely ignore the software he wrote.
Lennart is still a genuinely awful person.

What's the point of Linux when Windows is free and Linux is just as compromised?

>>59770091
Well thats your opinion, right. Doesn't mean that it's a fact.

>>59770010
If it's really that big of an issue that you autists seem to make it, why can't they do anything against it? Is it that hard to make a new init?

Please go and spew your autism somewhere else. POSIX is just a general guideline, not something you always follow to the edge. Even Canonical deviates from that standard, IIRC.

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>>59770102

Free software means software that respects the user's freedom.

There are four essential freedoms that the user of software should always have:

Freedom 0 is the freedom to run the program however you wish.
Freedom 1 is the freedom to study the source code of the program and change it to make the program do as you wish.
Freedom 2 is the freedom to distribute copies of the program to others when you wish. This includes republication of the program.
Freedom 3 is the freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others when you wish. This includes republication.

If you have all four of these essential freedoms, then the program is free software, which means that the social system of the distribution of the program is an ethical system that respects the freedom and community of the users.

If one of these freedoms is missing, then the program is proprietary software, meaning that it keeps the users divided and helpless, and gives the developer power over the users. This is an injustice. Proprietary software should not exist and should not be used.

If you want to have freedom, the only way you can have it while using computers is by rejecting proprietary software.

>>59770102
Any version of Windows after 7 is completely useless. 10 in particular.

>>59770103
But it is.
Just look at his behavior in the 27c3.
Or how he's trying to play the victim now and get SJWs to suck his cock.

>>59770102
it's not now that I run firefox with noscript in firejail as a different user
the chances of ransomware getting into my system are miniscule

>>59770070
Why not just stream if from legit streaming services if you're gonna use internet anyway?

>>59770132
literally jesus

>>59770122
>canonical, a bunch of retards who did unity and seriously thought Mir would become something more than a mere allucination
>if they do it, it cannot be bad!
wrong

>>59770030
>biggest SJW cuck in the tech world
fuck off.

>>59769826
I hadn't noticed it was Homura that feed her, I'm glad it wasn't something lewd.

>>59768484
It all depends on skill level and personal needs. As much as people shit on Ubuntu, it's still the best beginner distro. MATE edition is my personal favorite.

>>59770153
Like what? Spotify?

Most streaming service don't have the music I listen to, have shit audio quality and you don't actually "own" the music most of the time

>>59770161
Sorry about that, but Ubuntu seems to be the only normie option for normies to get started with Linux. Canonical is relevant.

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ITT

>>59770210
Sorry, I meant GNU/Linux.

>>59770206
Then buy a phone with an SD card option or get more storage. Other than that, I can't really say about SSH method since I haven't really tried it.

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>>59770223
That's right, now fuck off you fucking cancerd enabler.

>>59770210
It is, no doubt. Mint is a joke. Doesn't mean the guys at Canonical knows what's up.

>>59770223
That doesn't work, since Poettering and his work is attacked directly here.
No one claims something unrelated is Poettering and therefore bad.

Please pay more attention in meme school.

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>tfw /fglt/ OC gets famous

>>59770263
At least they are getting us closer to the Year of the Linux Desktop. :^)

>>59770274
>normies
>linux pepe
>ignoring superior gnu pepe
life sucks

>>59770303
>Year of the systemd Desktop
FTFY

>>59770256
it's a meaningless struggle

there is no real point in duplicating 100s of GBs of data in the first place when it's only used for streaming

>>59770303
There will never be the year of the Linux Desktop, unless Torvalds add a complete DE and userland.

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well, here it is
I changed my keybind for firefox to

bindsym $mod+b exec "sudo -u proxy firefox"

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>>59770333
this

>>59770321
Better than Darwin or Windows NT desu.

>>59770344
i really hope proxy has no privs

>>59770122
>Is it hard to make a new init?
You are so fucking clueless it would be hilarious if it wasn't sad.

Probably the ONLY reason systemd is so hotly debated is because the developers are making it so hard for anyone to ever replace systemd.

The funny thing is, if we used systemd's programming practices years ago then systemd would not even be able to exist today because it would be impossible to replace our old inits. Do you see why that's such a huge fucking problem? We want (and need) to be able to replace components of our system.

When software developers start aggressively trying to create a lock-in like systemd is doing (along with GNOME and redhat developers) it should raise lots of red flags.
They don't care about our best interests, or the future of GNU/Linux.

Systemd isn't just eliminating the possibility to replace it with another init coincidentally, it is doing it _intentionally_, and it involves collaboration from other developers (mostly GNOME and redhat) to create a locked-in garden of software that everyone is forced to use, who can't swap out any components with component not created by them.

>>59770372
he's in the video and audio group
I just need to make it so I can access his files

>>59770333
We'll just call it GNU + Linux desktop, then.

>>59770380
This. systemd will become what X is for us now.

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>the arch linux experience

>>59770406
But X has a stable well-defined interface unlike systemd.

>>59770372
would it be fine to make it so that memebers of the wheel group have full access to his files?

>>59770422
Yeah, I like X. I meant the difficulty to deprecate it.

how do you even pronounce 'arch'?

how do I go about this anyway >>59770428

>>59770380
So why can't other concerned developers do anything about it right now?

>>59770414
They removed root? wtf

>>59770442
like arch

>>59770442
the way the neckbeard groans when he ejaculates into yellowed frotte sock to his chinese cartoons

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>>59770160

>>59770468
What can they do?
Send more patches that the systemd and Gnome devs reject?

>>59770498
this. The fight is lost

>>59770511
>giving up

>>59770414
arch uses zsh as default?
what the heck

>>59770344
I'd use gksudo so you get a prompt for your password.

>>59770572
giving up came and went. Systemd is everywhere and its just getting more and more embedded. No one has attempted a better solution, most of the criticisms levelled at it get downplayed or ignored. its over, systemd is here to stay

>>59770596
the installer does apparently?

>>59770612
>installer

>>59770620
r-right, my bad, the live used to install it

>>59770612
install gentoo

>>59770647
install systemd

can someome explain the problem with systemd? I'm not sure if I shoudl remove it or not...

>>59769688
Read the other posts, and it seems very likely that he did get it from browsing, not from a single person targeting him.

However, it probably could have easily been avoided by not doing dumb things like running your browser as root, and with flash player enabled no less...

>>59770670
sudo pacman -Rsc systemd

New thread, new luck: >>59770680

>>59770670
its a meme you nonce

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>>59768454
<!--I don't like gnu and I'm retarded. Advise?-->

>>59770684
fuck off troll

>>59770498
>What can they do?
Start developing OpenRC more aggressively?

>>59770370
Got a un edited version of that?

>>59770708
got all the features I need already

>>59770708
You know that this already has entailed forking udev?
Gentoo uses OpenRC and to continue going in this age of systemd they had to fucking create eudev.

It's just going to get harder and harder as we go forward.

The problem is that despite the fact that there are "evil entities" in the open source community, that doesn't mean we don't depend on them. They bring in a lot of money and actually do help us in a lot of ways too.

But it's always a give and take thing. Systemd is them taking too much, people don't want to just cut out those developers entirely because I guess we still need them for a lot of things. But we also don't want to settle for this systemd garbage.
So I think that's why there's so much arguing about it. The "just make your own init" is a last resort because of all the other shit that already doesn't work anymore without systemd (and all the shit that won't work without systemd in the future), so right now our best bet is to try and compromise somehow. See if we can get the whole community to reject systemd, or even just get the systemd developers to stop being so aggressive and develop in a way that allows us to replace it.

>>59770620
>make command

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>>59770608
This.
>not tolling

>>59771141
Will this actually work with a laptop? The wifi and whatnot?

>>59770370
>>59770715
also interested

>>59770715
>>59771781
It's from Ai-Kyuu De Be

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Hey "friendly" Linux people.
Absolute noob here, so i got two questions;

What's the best ide if i'm coming from the typical visual studio course ?
Looking at it, i'm kinda looking into sublime and atom.

Is it worth to hassle with things like awesome and i3 ?
I got it recommend by a coworker, but so far it looks like a ton of work for nothing...

I'm on Ubuntu.

>>59772106
>What's the best ide if i'm coming from the typical visual studio course ?
You'd feel at home using VSCode, probably.

>Is it worth to hassle with things like awesome and i3 ?
It is absolutely worth trying at least once. Yes the initial setup might be a bit tedious but once you're done you can pretty much reuse the same config for years.

>>59771141
>Is it worth to hassle with things like awesome and i3 ?
Just know what you're getting into. I hope you know more about them than just that they look cool or something. You can customize almost any WM to look pretty cool if that's what you're after.
Those are tiling window managers, so they are going to function very differently from what you're used to, and the difficulty for a new user is more about getting comfortable with the new way of doing things, not just setting up the configs.

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>>59772172
>VSCode
I guess that'll definitly do in the beginning.
Thanks, anon.

>>59768352
God I wish that were me