/pcbg/ - PC Building General

anyone have thoughts about this, as to what i should add
https://www.onenote.com/webapp/pages?token=ov1NvPCPlr100e1IF5P1C5daJ4Bt3Sp9CSDfX0ZU-Ngf3rcpV2ui13HIPz2sOhXFVTgNMVqlHDqlWZJb3oYcpPJro7LW_KWB0&id=636269584081241101

>>59746293
I'm not op, name stayed from another thread. idk why

>>59746293
Tips on spreading thermal paste?

File: Dice-5.png (14KB, 557x557px)

14KB, 557x557px

>>59746333

Don't over-think it. Push out some paste, just enough that a small amount emerges from the tip. Press that tip down on your cpu like you are trying to write a period (full stop). Make five taps so that you are essentially drawing the number five on a dice. You don't need much paste. Thin is good. No need to spread it out. Just press your cooler down onto the paste and tighten the screws.

File: 81j3lGt0u8L._SL1200_.jpg (275KB, 1200x1200px) Image search: [Google]

275KB, 1200x1200px

going to pick up this gigabyte ga-z170xp-sli for $85 from some dude, everything included. any insight on this board?

>>59747920

Why bother? What's the sense in buying a Z170 for $85 in present year when there are new Z270 boards that cost just a bit more?

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#c=119&sort=a8&page=1

>>59747954
because I'm a budget mofo, and the other option is I go with a b250 board for roughly the same price.

How can I know if my 7700k is truly achieving 4500mhz on single core boost? None of the programs to check temps etc have ever shown the mhz going over 4400 for my cores (I haven't OCd yet). Might be dumb question but please enlighten me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaby_Lake#Desktop_processors

>>59746293
Looks good but small url it. And yeah, about the amount of thermal paste to use. Just like a pea, so it smashes down to a thin layer.
Don't squiggle it around and get pockets of air in there.
Also that anyone that's going to use the stock Ryzen cooler but overclock should consider replacing the stock thermal pad with thermal paste.

>>59747920
That's fine for $85.

>>59746293
Some things will be confusing for those that don't know shit.
Like Sata cables and power cables for people that just have an M.2 drive that plugs in and that's it.

Hey going to build a new rig with overclocking in mind. Is there anything I should look out for in a motherboard? Any recommendations for a z270 board around 200$ are welcome

I want a hard drive dedicated for porn and the other dedicated for gaming. If I install windows on both of them, and just swap them as needed, it should technically work, right?

>>59748201
you didn't say whether mATX or ATX.

File: 1479679875006.jpg (61KB, 500x375px) Image search: [Google]

61KB, 500x375px

When did you realize that micro atx is literally the best size?
>ATX
>You're never going to use 7 3.5" harddrive slots
>ITX
>limited PciE slots for future expandabity

>>59748273
ATX

>>59748334
ASRock Taichi is good if you don't mind how it looks.

Otherwise just pick any that has at least 8-phase VRMs and has PCI slots where you want them and the features (software, audio, etc) that you want.
You can look for z270 motherboard reviews too.

What is the best AM4 mATX board available right now?

>>59748297
>When did you realize that micro atx is literally the best size
When I stopped considering SLI/CF, stopped needing a network card and other sorts of cards.
And with 2.5" HDDs existing for decent prices, you can fit 4 of them in the space of a standard one if you really need that much storage.
And when I realized my Corsiar 500R has so much useless un-utilized space and I could get a better aesthetic with a smaller case.

It's actually pretty sad looking at this huge thing by my desk.
I'll get a mATX board for Ryzen, but won't be actually changing to a smaller case for a bit.

>>59748383
Gigabyte Gaming 3 and MSI Mortar

Hopefully ASRock releases their Extreme 4 B350 soon. Their Taichi and Pro 4 are really good.

>>59748422
Will these boards fully utilise a spare set of 3200mhz ram i have already? I heard there were problems with ram frequencies with ryzen?

>>59748422
Oh oops. The Pro 4 is mATX. So that one, too. (though all the display ports on it is pretty silly... though useful for those that want triple monitor on Raven Ridge)

I've been hoping for dual PCIe 4x M.2 on a board too, but meh.

The Gigabyte has dual BIOS. MSI has better audio. They all have 4 pin fan headers and two PCIe slots.

>>59748472
No 3200mhz RAM that was validated to work for Intel XMP is guaranteed to work with Ryzen unless validated on the platform.
It could downgrade to 2933 or 2800.

Does this come with a heatsink?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N0L41N7

>>59748617
read the purchase options on that page

>>59748617
>>59748645
It should actually come with one, and it's just the automation software that outputs does that shit fucked up.
Otherwise it'd just be a tray CPU.

The Newegg page doesn't say there is a cooler either, but the reviews note it.
You can also get it for about $285 from Jet instead.

>>59748506
Okay. Thanks Anon.

>>59748645
>>59748661

Sorry that's what I meant to ask, doesn't it come with a stock cooler.

Heck, the i7-6700k is only $6 more than the i7-7700 on Amazon right now though.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B012M8LXQW

Struggling with these options.

File: IMG_3013.jpg (113KB, 721x1024px) Image search: [Google]

113KB, 721x1024px

I'm looking for second and third opinions for my build:

Would anyone here be able to do a build on part picker with a $1,000 budget? I want to use the build mainly for video editing and music making software. It would seriously be appreciated for any help. I really don't know what to decide on. Thank you in advance.

I know people litter these threads with stuff like this but I'm about to make a serious career change and do independent work so it's a bit stressful to choose but I need options before I spend my tax return.

>>59748687
That's what I was saying
>it's just the automation software that outputs does that shit fucked up.
The box is the picture of the one that comes with a cooler. It's just listed wrong as "no cooler" on the 7700 one even though it has the stock one, almost surely.

If you get the k, you need a more expensive motherboard and a cooler better than that 212 evo to get the most of it.

You can also run the 6700k with a cheap cooler on a no-overclocking board like the locked 7700. That might be your best option for slightly more money since the 6700k is 4.0/4.2 and the 7700k is 3.6/4.2.
You at least save on a cheaper motherboard and not needing an actual good cooler that way.

Is 7700k or 6900k better with 1080ti for 4k gaming?

>>59748724
I was actually thinking of the ASRock Z270 Killer. With a CRYORIG H5 cooler, would that be good?

>>59748687
why is 6700k more expensive than 7700k?
Isn't 7700k better?

>>59748760
Is this bait?
g4560 is fine for 4K in most games.
A Ryzen 5 1500X would be fine just to be extra safe and make sure you don't drop under 60 in anything.

>>59748762
if you're getting a Z270 board, you never should have been considering the locked 7700.
Yes, that board and cooler are good.

>>59748777
That was 6700k and 7700 not 7700k.

>>59748779
Hmm i7-6700k it is then.

>if you're getting a Z270 board, you never should have been considering the locked 7700.
w-why?

>>59745109
it's not turned on dewvon.

>>59748802
... because you need a Z270 board to overclock.
And the 7700 non-k can't be overclocked.
The "k" stands for "unlocked".

Yes, it's confusing as shit and makes no sense. Which is why AMD has all theirs unlocked and just requires the better boards for overclocking.

This is a build I've come with after looking around on craigslist.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/33hCvV

Is this worth building and reselling?

>>59748825
>This is a build I've come with after looking around on craigslist.
>Is this worth building and reselling?
lmao

>>59748821
No, I know it couldn't be overclocked. I wasn't going to. I was just getting that board for some of its features. The overclockability was a bonus, for future upgrades.

I'm tempted to get the i7-7700k now, since it's only $26 more than the i7-6700k. But I feel I might be needlessly bloating my builds price.

>>59748922
What is on that board that you need?
You can get a B250 or B350 board with 2 PCI lanes, 2 m.2 (1 4x 1 1x), and 5+1 audio for $85.

$140 isn't exactly cheap. That tends to be the minimum price for a decent Z270.
It seems like your cost is already needlessly inflated, to me.

Is the stock cooler provided with the i5-7500 sufficient or should I pick up an aftermarket cooler like the Hyper 212?

>>59748996
stock is fine if you have a case fan or two and it's not some cramped mITX.

Consider Ryzen, though.

File: Patrick-Baitman-80s-Baby-White-Privilege-Album[1].jpg (204KB, 1200x1200px) Image search: [Google]

204KB, 1200x1200px

>>59748996
>i5 in 2017
>Memer 212 ever

>>59749016
>>59749029
>stock is fine if you have a case fan or two and it's not some cramped mITX.
Thank you.

>Consider Ryzen, though.
I guess I should have included a bit of extra info there. A friend recently offered me his i5-7500+MSI Z270-A PRO board for $100 since he just purchased a Ryzen 7.

>>59749038
sell those and get Ryzen 5 before the used market drops, obviously.
There's still people that can get scammed out of pretty high prices for that stuff.
You might even be able to get almost the whole $250 that'd cover cost of Ryzen 5, since people somehow think an i5 is worth $200.

>>59748696
Pls help :/

>>59748762
If you're getting a H5 and don't plan on OCing (based on what you said afterwards) don't worry about your 7700k overheating. I have a H7 on clock speed and I never go over 65 on load. It stays around 50 playing Dolphin emulated games.

>>59749081
You were given a build in the last thread with $200 to spare.
Start there and modify it better to suit your needs if need be.

>>59749096
Sorry man. I have about zero knowledge on what's good and what's shit. I wouldn't have the slightest clue about doing any of that. I'll stop shitting up the thread though.

>>59748966
I specifically need a board with built in wi-fi. The capacity for 4 RAM sticks was a bonus, but I only need 2 right now.

Would a MSI H270I GAMING PRO AC be a better substitute? It is about $44 cheeper. It would offset the price of the H5.

>>59749082
I don't I will be OCing it soon, so that's good to hear.

>>59745109
caption='what the fuck am i doing'

>>59749154
Just make sure to undervolt as your mobo will probably have stupid voltage on stock settings.

>>59749154
>I specifically need a board with built in wi-fi.
I'd go with the Asus Z270-FuckingKillYourself.

>>59749154
>MSI H270I GAMING PRO AC
Yes, if it has all the features you need. I see nothing wrong with it.
That board obviously doesn't support overclocking.
You've obviously spending too much on a cooler then if you're not going to overclock.

>>59746333
put a glob in the center about the size of a pea, secure heatsink, done

>>59749323
>not posting the msi webm
you had one job

File: 3[1].jpg (28KB, 683x243px) Image search: [Google]

28KB, 683x243px

>>59747652
Bad advice general?

>>59747652
Oh holy shit. I just noticed what this is and how stupid it is.

A pea in the middle or line over where the die is, if you know it's a long die and its orientation like >>59749421 is good.
But even for long dies like Ryzen, a line hardly matters. The heatspreader spreads stuff out sufficiently.

File: DSC01884[1].jpg (177KB, 1066x800px)

177KB, 1066x800px

>>59749387
I prefer to do things the Corsair way. Slap 10x too much on while drizzling it over the socket, smear it out to get it nice and full of air bubbles, then slap some overengineered water cooling on it and call it good.

http://www.corsair.com/en-us/blog/2011/september/building-a-custom-water-cooled-gaming-pc-in-a-graphite-series-600t

File: DSC01885[1].jpg (214KB, 1066x800px) Image search: [Google]

214KB, 1066x800px

>>59749511
Just fucking look at it. Look at it and weep. Now imagine what it's going to look like underneath that water block.

>>59745109
>NIggers

>>59749421
>>59749511
>>59746333
>>59747652
It LITERALLY does not matter at all. Some webpage tested like 15 different ways of applying thermal paste and all results were within margin of error. As long as you put the gunk in middle of the heatspreader it'll spread evenly as you tighen the screws of your cooler.

File: obligatory.webm (3MB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1280x720px

>>59749511
>>59749523

>>59749589
So doesn't this mean that the pea sized drop in the center is superior since it involves the least waste and reduces the risk of getting paste on the traces/pins?

>>59749597
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>59749597
Holy shit. No matter how many times I see this it still makes me physically uncomfortable. Still keep expecting him to smash an egg on there like that youtube dude.

File: image.jpg (22KB, 400x300px) Image search: [Google]

22KB, 400x300px

I need a Dell monitor that looks just like the one in the picture but that's 16:9 and has a resolution between 900p and 1080p; 75hz refresh rate would be cool also. I plan to place them together but i'm too autistic to buy a monitor that looks different.

E176fpf is pic's model

File: 1488771981681.gif (402KB, 250x170px) Image search: [Google]

402KB, 250x170px

why does xmp make my 7700k reach 90c

>>59749597
This can't be official.

ayy

Just started up my new build for the first time and was dumb enough to click "EZ tuning" in the UEFI. This must have made some kind of overclocking, everything went unstable and constantly started crashing, windows install failed and etc.
I went back to default setting and everything seems fine now. Hope I didn't hurt some component?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Ln2hxY

>Gayming, shitposting, uni work and day trading

What is the absolute best Mobo+RAM combo for Ryzen? I'm looking for the best speeds and timings. Money is no object.

>>59750411
Nobody knows. What might be true now will change with the next BIOS update, and that won't be long. Things are going to be uncertain for a while.

Best advice would be to get a premium X370 board from one of the big names to guarantee timely BIOS updates. some fast Samsung b-die RAM, then strap in and hope for the best. Ive heard a lot of people having good luck with G.Skill Trident stuff fwiw.

>>59750402
Looks good, but you know you're going to get >i5ed. Consider stepping up to an i7 or looking at Ryzen when it hits next week. Dump Windows 10 home and get a Pro key for a fraction of the price from kinguin or similar.

Is SuperBizz a reliable seller? Buying a CPU from them.

>>59750402
>Microsoft Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit
>$135
Nigga what?

Consider a bigger SSD if your Steam account is looking hench. Consider a cheaper Z270 board - don't know aus prices but that seems a lot and for what benefit? Consider not being a fucking idiot and buying an i5 in 2017.

Nice case but lose the window. Nobody over the age of 14 wants to look at your guts. If you must have a window look at other case options because tempered glass is everywhere yet Fractal Designs insist on cheap acrylic shit.

lol @ all the people complaining about i5's when most people here wouldn't even be able to make use of all of an i3

File: ifiwerearichman.png (12KB, 225x225px) Image search: [Google]

12KB, 225x225px

>>59750734
4c/4t/2017

You're going to have to do better than that to earn your shekels.

What are a good set of 140mm fans?

>>59750769

before ryzen came out with 8c/16t everyone recommended i5's for an i5/16gb/1070 build.

but now ryzen is out (and isn't very impressive despite the details) and everyone hates i5's

>>59748266
Yes

>>59750802
i5 might still have a place in certain budget gaming builds. Possibly. Maybe. You'd be a certified moron to buy one in the next couple of weeks, though.

>>59750575
>>59750722
Shiet I didn't even see that I had Windows in my build.

Which of the i7's is the least meme-tier now? Kaby?

>>59750802
i5s were being recommended in mid-tier gaming rigs because there really wasn't another sanely priced option.

Muh single-threaded performance meme is becoming more and more untrue as time goes on and things are not about to get LESS parallelized. Sacrificing single thread performance and getting 95fps instead of 107fps in current titles is starting to look a lot better a proposition than facing the stuttering disasters you see when your cores choke on heavily threaded stuff. Also: Stop comparing average framerates. When everything is 'good enough' it's the lows that are going to hurt you.

The average use case is changing too. People are running multi-monitor setups and doing more in the background, people are streaming, etc.

There was a time when people would recommend a highly clocked i3 over an i5. Look how that worked out. The i5 is the new i3.

File: 1465363788802.jpg (43KB, 485x480px) Image search: [Google]

43KB, 485x480px

is Z270 the one to get?

Asking for a friend

>>59750930
Pretty much comes down to a 7700-non K on B250, finding a lucky deal on a 6700K, or ponying up the big shekels for a 7700K. Might be worth waiting to see what effect the new Ryzens have on the market even if you're dead set on intel.

>>59751127
Z270 if you're running an unlocked K processor, B250 for everything else. H270 is a useless middle ground in 99% of situations.

Is it worth getting spending $50 more dollars for a 480 over the 470?

Can I have some benchmarks please?

>>59751185
thanks anon

>>59751201
Are you me? I have to make the same decision in a couple of minutes. I'm on a budget so I'm probably getting the 470.

Also, will prices on the RX 400 series drop any significant amount with the release of the RX 500 series?

>>59750825

>until ryzen 5 disappoints just as much as ryzen 7 did

>>59750402
>>59750575
>>59750722
>>59751185

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/MpWNTH

OK, adjustments made on CPU, cooling, case, mouse etc. PSU wattage might be a little high (although I'm obviously going to OC first thing) - what do you guys think? Also z270 prices here in Aus are absolute bullshit hence the AR (which is 10 cheaper than the A I believe).

Also gonna take anon's advice and wait until after the AMD release I think

>>59751201
They're pretty close in terms of performance, about 5-10fps difference in most games at 1080p and both are pretty solid choices. Only concern would be the chance that those frames might make a difference as stuff gets pushed a bit harder, but future proofing just isn't going to happen at this tier, and push the clock on the 470 a bit and they really are within pissing distance of eachother.

Personally I'd go for the cheaper of the rx480 or gtx1060 if budget allowed just because it would probably niggle at me if I didn't, but if dosh is tight then the 470 might be your answer.

>>59751248
It's a possibility but the brand-new retail prices for older GPUs don't always drop nearly as much as you'd expect. It's going to come down to how long you're willing to wait before pulling the trigger. Not sure we have a concrete date for the 500s yet do we?

>>59751050

>it's the lows that are going to hurt you
>stuttering

I own a 6700k with a GTX1080 and I ran it through several benchmarks when I first put everything together, to check for stability. One thing I noticed was that the the FPS dipped was when it was transitioning from a loading screen or switching scenes, but stayed consistent everywhere else. Same thing in games like Fallout 4 or Witcher 3, the only time the FPS dipped was coming out of a loading screen. In-game there were no dips that were worth noting, and the FPS always stayed high.

Now someone else might come along with some other anecdotal bit, but that was my experience. Posters on /g/ make it seem like you're going to have the worst experience ever with a 4c/8t CPU, but before Ryzen came out there wasn't a single person who mentioned this because it's obviously not an issue.

File: I5.png (215KB, 971x763px) Image search: [Google]

215KB, 971x763px

>>59751367
desu i'm only interested in the price. at ~$250 AUD it'll be $100 AUD cheaper than the 7700k

>>59745109
Nice to see we're back to the OP that 90% of new posters don't read.

File: 82q8sba[1].jpg (2MB, 2500x1479px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 2500x1479px

>pull the trigger and buy the NH-D15 SE AM4
>mounting it on the intel socket is a piece of cake
>want to attach 3rd fan I had lying around
>realize there's only 2 sets of mounting brackets
I've seen more than one triple fan setup, how do they do this? Can I order the brackets somewhere? Or did they salvage them from a different cooler? The Noctua cooler I had before has different brackets that won't work.
Not that it would make a difference, but I have an NF-A15 PWM fan lying around and a vacant CPU fan header.

I'm getting the NZXT S340 Elite and it comes with two of these fans
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ygDwrH/nzxt-case-fan-rffn122rb

I also want to get a pair of these fans
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Q3Lypg/noctua-case-fan-nfa14flx

Should I put the NZXT fans in the rear AND rear top and put two Noctua fans in the front?

Or put one of the NZXT fans on the rear and pair the other one with a single Noctua fan in the front?

>>59751407
>brand-new retail prices for older GPUs don't always drop nearly as much as you'd expect
Damn, I should have gotten that $90 470.

Anyone know of any good deals right now?

>>59751367
I see a few possible situations here and none make waiting seem like a bad idea given how soon the R5s are dropping:
Ryzen 5 is a viable alternative to your intel chip: Congratulations, you just saved some money.

Ryzen 5 isn't enough for you but it does enough to give intel a bloody nose: There might be price drops. Enjoy.

Ryzen 5 is a complete flop: You've lost nothing but a short time of waiting.

>>59751442
4c/8t feels like the current sweet spot for 'budget' gaming. It's the i5s that are really under fire in terms of whether they're still a good choice for a gaming rig, not so much the i7s.

There aren't many people who'd tell you not to put a 7700K in a new gaming build if money was not a consideration.

>>59751497
>wait like half a year for R5
>costs more and is worse than intel
>?????
>PROFIT

>>59751540
>wait less than a week for R5
>performance pretty much equal to Intel, for less
>????
>PROFIT

>>59751556
Fucking waitfags when will they learn

>>59751540
>Half a year.
>They're released on 11th.
Wat.

If you've been waiting six months then you're an idiot, mate. I would never recommend someone do that. There's a big difference between waitfagging with system you're going to six months of use out of and waiting for less than a week.

How shitty is the powercolor red dragon?

>>59751603
Err... red devil I meant.

>>59751603
Don't know about the red dragon, but the red devil rx480 reviewed incredibly well across the board. No idea what kind of support you can expect from powercolor though. Looks fucking ridiculous, though. Would avoid it like the plague with a windowed case.

>>59751634
Luckily I'm not a manchild so I have no window!

am i the only one who builds once every 4 years?

>>59751614
Don't know where you are or what the prices are like, but in Britland its pretty much the same as the STRIX which seems to get a lot of love. Make of that what you will.

>>59751643
Windowfags on suicide watch. Hanging themselves with the tubing from their shitty underperforming AIO.

>>59751683
>Hanging themselves with the tubing from their shitty underperforming AIO.

Mad me cough lmao

>>59751452
Am I the only one who actually likes the colour scheme on Noctua's stuff? Should I just kms now?

>>59751713
Yes and yes

>>59751533

>budget

What sort of crack are you smoking. The i7 is the best CPU for gaming out right now.

>wait for kabylake
>wait for ryzen 7
>wait for the 1080ti
>wait for ryzen 5
>wait for Volta/Vega/whatever
>wait for the 11xx
>wait for coffeelake
>wait
>wait
>wait
>wait
>wait
>fucking wait
>wait
>wait
>technological singularity
>just keep waiting

You guys need to get over yourselves.

File: photo_1480089261119.jpg (657KB, 2048x1152px) Image search: [Google]

657KB, 2048x1152px

I saw some benchmarks with a REFRENCE rx480 ( THE MOST SHIT COOLER EVER ) taking the card to 1500mhz. This is pretty huge. At 1500mhz it is almost strictly faster than a 1060 at 2.21ghz. With good cooling maybe the 580 can go even further. I'm not saying to buy it but with the release so soon anyone not getting a 480 for literal pennies really should wait a week for the 580.
Anyone with a 1060 should know that it responds better to memory overclocks than core overclocks, even though 2150mhz is trivial on every single 1060 in existence. The 9mbps 1060, with a moderate memory overclock, is going to be damn close to a 1070, maybe 15% behind it, so once again I am urging you to wait for the revision unless you are getting an insane deal.

It really is a shame that we are only seeing rebrands and not an 1160 and a cut down vega but it is a performance increase and so it makes no sense to buy the current cards.
t. guy who likes to oc cards

>>59751939
I saw some benchmarks with a REFERENCE rx580*** sorry

>>59751895
just wait faggot

Having a hard time deciding between these 3 mobos

GIGABYTE GA-B250-HD3
ASRock Fatal1ty B250M Performance
ASRock B250 Pro4

>>59751713
I like it as well, which is why I have 7 Noctua fans.

>>59751895

you forgot waiting for price drops

>>59752039
>Fatal1ty
He STILL makes shit?

Does anyone here have experience with the new(er) virtualized GPUs that AMD and NVIDIA have released? I have 4 different computers that need updating in my house, and after crunching some numbers, building a single workstation that deploys VMs over the local network (using the old computers as a thin client) would be much cheaper than building/buying 4 separate machines.

My main concern is gaming capabilities with this setup. The gamers in my household are casuals, so I'm not concerned with getting top frame rate with highest settings in the latest titles, but at the very least I want it to be capable of handling those intensive games with modest settings. If that can't be done, then it's a deal breaker. Other than finding out Nvidia currently has some kind of VM gaming rig rental going on already ("cloud gaming"), I can't find any hard info about this. These GPUs aren't made for gaming, so I understand that they won't perform like a card of similar value made for gaming, but if they work well enough it, it seems like it would be worth it. [spoiler] unless I'm missing something obvious [/spoiler]

I'm working on a build that's focused on having a sensible power draw. Money isn't a concern right now since I want bang for buck in terms of voltage. Does anyone have advice on this? Here are some things I've found by playing around on PC Part Picker.

>Ryzen seems to be amazing for this
>GTX 750 Ti and 1050 Ti outclass many higher TPD chipsets
>The difference between two sticks of RAM vs four is huge, and RAM speed makes a huge difference too
>ATX is a power suck compared to mATX

With a Ryzen CPU, a GTX 1050ti, and 2x4GB 2400 dual channel RAM on an mATX motherboard, you can apparently have a PC that uses slightly more power than a playstation 3. Compromise for a 750 Ti and you can have one that uses less.

I don't know shit so please tell me if I'm wrong about any of this.

>>59752039
>GIGABYTE GA-B250-HD3

You don't need SATA ports?

>>59752086
>>59752357
What?

>>59751895
>he doesn't like waiting

>>59752435
Why not D3H?

>>59752435
What?

>>59752632
What?

What is everything I can do to debloat windows 10? I disabled automatic updates and killed off some annoying apps but what else is left?

File: front audio.png (113KB, 740x1300px) Image search: [Google]

113KB, 740x1300px

Hey /pcbg/, I just got a new motherboard and am trying to get the front panel audio to work. The chassis is ancient. Any idea where to put what?

>>59752319
>ATX is a power suck compared to mATX
Highly unlikely. The motherboard itself couldn't possibly draw any significant amount of power, it's the components connected to it that are responsible for that.

DDR4 2400 is alright, faster would be better though, especially if you're considering Ryzen.

1050 ti, while it draws very little power, also isn't very powerful. The 750 ti is deprecated at this point, much less powerful than even a 1050 ti, and not worth buying new.

Not sure what the appeal of building a lower power PC with a dGPU is though. Like, are you trying to play modern games? If money isn't an issue it's seriously not worth constraining yourself with such an artificial limitation.

I have a 1050 Ti and plan to upgrade.

Is the 1060 3gb worth it? Or should I just save up and get a 1060 6gb? Which models are the best?

My other option was a 480 4gb, but I'd need to buy a new power supply, so I'd just get the 1060 6gb by that point. I have only 1 available molex that I can turn into 6-pin for the 1060, because 480 uses 8-pin

I'm only interested in 1080p gaming.

>>59752865
Are all of the front panel audio connectors just a jumbled mess? My old case is from 2006 and even then they had all of the front panel audio wires bundled together as the connector positioning is standard across motherboards.

Are the wires at least labelled?

Check: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachments/ac07fpaud-jpg.80511/

File: Screenshot_5.jpg (64KB, 847x361px)

64KB, 847x361px

help please

i tried looking for a 120+ hz monitor with IPS, there are ONLY 9 that exists? seriously?

there are a lot more cheaper options without IPS. can anyone tell me what monitor is closest to IPS color quality?

>>59752825
What do you use Windows for? Might be better to just dual boot with Linux, or run Linux and have Windows in a VM.

File: 13-157-734-V01[1].jpg_w=660&h=500.jpg (194KB, 1280x960px) Image search: [Google]

194KB, 1280x960px

Help me, i'm having a real hard time pinpointing what Motherboard I should get.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Db7mKZ

This Asrock B250M Pro4 seems good, put it there as a placeholder (they're apparently out of stock though). But i'm new to this so i'm not 100% sure exactly what I need.

Is this a good motherboard for my build, or is there a better one?

Also, need help with wifi card thing.

>>59753098
Forgot to mention, I will be using 3 HDDS with that SSD.

>>59753098
Wait for Ryzen 5.

File: IMG_20170405_133344.jpg (131KB, 900x1200px) Image search: [Google]

131KB, 900x1200px

>>59752993
Yep, check pic related. I want to at least get the audio outs working (I don't use a microphone), but have no idea what to do with the 4 EARO (EAR 0?) wires.

Can some reccomend some RAM for me to get for the Ryzen 1500X I will be getting next week? Any size/frequencies that are good with it? Looking at aa B350 mobo preferably.

>>59753147
No, damn it anon I want real help.

God I'm so new at this please forgive my stupid questions.

I built my first PC over 5 years ago and everything went well, now that I've moved into an apartment and have limited space I'm looking to build a mini atx to set next to my tv.

I want a future-proof rig so I'm going to go i5 with a 1060.

1. Having all these components into such a tight space will presumably generate more heat than in a typical case, will I want liquid cooling or can I get by with air? Is liquid cooling only a meme for folks looking to overclock? Can I use a locked i5 with air cooling and still have it be future-proof?

2. This will be my second build, how much difficulty will I have trying to squeeze these things into a mini atx case? I love the design of the NCASE M1 and it looks pretty simple to get into, but are there better options with a similar footprint and the same ease of access?

Anything else I should be aware of?

>>59753154
After looking into it, that case may have connectors for the old AC '97 connector. My old case I was telling you about had both the AC '97 and the new HD Audio (J-AUD) that is in most panel connectors these days. Bottom line, I don't think those connectors will be compatible with any new mobos as they're not backwards compatible.

>>59753291
You can't wait 6 days for benchmarks? I mean, that shit you threw together will work alright I guess. I have that monitor and I do like it.

>>59753098
Get one in your form factor that isn't overpriced (above $100 is where I draw the line for B250 boards). Most don't have built in wifi so you will have to get a wireless adapter.

>>59753327
>I want a future-proof rig so I'm going to go i5

No, you want to go i7
Games will soon start using the memecores.

>>59753327
>I want a future-proof rig so I'm going to go i5 with a 1060.
lol

Ok now that's out of the way, if you want this thing to last 5 years you need either an i7 or Ryzen 5/7. Presuming you want to play games, a 1060 will work out alright for the next year or two but I don't think you could call it future proof. They are pretty low power/cool though, so in an ITX case that's worthwhile. Changing out a graphics card in a few years isn't the end of the world either as it's a pretty simple component to replace if it's holding you back.

Water cooling is a meme if you're a newfriend, most ITX cases can accommodate good after market air coolers, just check the dimensions out to be sure.

>>59753327
There's no such thing as future proof. New shit is coming out every year, so buy a PC for using it right now and in the immediate future.
>Can I use a locked i5 with air cooling
Yes.
>NCASE M1
You'll need a mini-ITX mobo for this case.

When is Intel going to release i9 with 16 physical cores?

>>59753518
Soon, just Wait.

>>59753526
I'm waiting for Vega personally.

>>59753547
I'm waiting for sentient AI powered by 0.5nm CPUs personally.

>>59753331
Thanks for the reply. My manual (see >>59752865) seems to indicate it's compatible with AC'97, though. Not that the connectors resemble AC'97 at all; maybe I'm dealing with an even older standard here?

I'm about to try connecting a single EARO-L and EARO-R to OUT2-L and OUT2-R, respectively. Are there any chances I might fry the motherboard?

>>59751895

Its literally 5 days away, you fucking impatient faggot.

Just fap away these 5 days.

Need help with a monitor.

I'm looking at a LG LED 24 inches 2ms 1080p for 90£.

Should I get it? I won't use it for anything very fancy, just work and some gaming.

File: IMG_2267.jpg (2MB, 3264x2448px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 3264x2448px

>>59745109
So I'm trying to fix some bent pins on an old CPU socket and I need to know if it's fixed enough to use. The tips are aligned but there still lifted up. How do I know when a CPU socket pins is straight enough to use?

so, which b350 board should i get? debating between assrock and gigibyte
allso before someone comes and yells 370 boards no i don't need the extra shit it has

>>59753832
>How do I know when a CPU socket pins is straight enough to use?

When they're literally straight. Pointing straight upwards
on a 90 degree angle

>>59754057
Is it ok if there slightly higher then the rest?

>>59753562
I'm waiting for death personally.

>>59754098
Depends, but if they're just ever so slightly higher it might not be a problem if other pins can sill make good contact. If not then there's a problem. It's crucial for all of the pins to make good contact with the cpu.

>>59753962
Get taichi

>>59753547
Vega20 here I come!
>its going to replace my GTX-780Ti
Just waiting.

>>59754308
kys homo
not paying +160€ for useless shit

File: Untitled.png (29KB, 1163x337px) Image search: [Google]

29KB, 1163x337px

>>59745109
Can I get a quick rundown on ASRock?

this is to replace an i5 2500k build

File: Connectors.jpg (61KB, 662x673px) Image search: [Google]

61KB, 662x673px

I'm looking at these two mobos and one says it has a 24-Pin ATX Power Connector instead of 24-Pin EATX Power Connector, and the other is the opposite.

I'm buying an EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply.

From what i've read online, they should both work with the ATX PSU. I just want to know if there will be any problem or anything.

>>59754702
AsRock make fine cheap motherboards. You're a retard if you buy i5 right now. Read the OP before posting.

>>59754742
24 Pin connector has been universal on motheboards for many years now. Pretty sure that's just the comparison sight being stupid.

>>59754743
Fuck AMD I am not buying Ryzen

>>59754786
what are you? a poorfag?LOL

>>59754786
>Fuck a company I have no emotional or financial investment in, I am not buying a product that offers more performance for the same, if not lesser, price over a product that has been artificially limited and functionality stripped for the sake of market segmentation
I'm an Intel fanboy myself (I own every non-HEDT i7 iteration since Ivy Bridge), but even I think you're being retarded

>>59754786

How does feel being gay?

Pentium G4560 + Zotac GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Mini in mini ITX form for 550€. Only playing Rocket league but I do browse with 50+ active tabs every day so I kinda think I would miss a proper 4 cores like 7400 i5 but thats 200€ more

>>59755264

>so I kinda think I would miss a proper 4 cores like 7400 i5

Holy shit are you guys being retarded on purpose? Just get a fucking ryzen 5/3 in a week.

>>59755285
Dude I like amd and all but this is mini ITX I don't need a sauna this summer

File: INTEL.png (74KB, 988x748px) Image search: [Google]

74KB, 988x748px

If RYZEN flops i'm buying INTEL

Rate my cop out build

Can I run newer games at a playable framerate with this GPU?
https://www.amazon.com/Nvidia-Gaming-Kepler-Graphics-900-12055-0020-000/dp/B00MGZRYO2

>>59755447
It's ok, but I'd just wait for Vega Rage X.
It makes the GTX-1080Ti obsolete don'tcha know.

I see temperature spikes as high as 70c on my 6700k under load, and the temp fluctuates wildly. At idle it drops down to 30-32c as expected.

It's a full custom look with an EK cpu block, and everything else in the system cools perfectly. The GPU (1080) never gets above 35-38c under full load, and does so gradually as expected.

Am I a victim of shitty Intel heat spreader installation? Do I need to delid?

>>59755447
Not buying Seasonic. Fag. Don't gimmy anyof that 'seasonic inside bullshit'

>>59750930
>>59751185
Either a 6700k and cheap110-130w TDP cooler or 7700 non-k with a b250 for something cheaper than the "muh totally 5ghz overclock" build.
It's about having 8 threads because they're actually used now days.

A non-overclocked i7 is faster than a 5ghz overclocked 7600k on average.

>>59750734
I agree, but it's about value for money. If they're spending $500 on a 7600k+mobo+cooler they're better off getting an i7 with a cheaper motherboard and cooler or liked i7 instead.

>>59750771
noctua, be quiet, cryorig.

>>59751404
Looks fine. It's a lot of money in your country for that shit, but that's just how it is I guess.

>>59751449
because it's so shit that even retards know to disregard it, yeah.

>>59750771

NB Blacksilent Pro.

>>59751456
Why not replace them all?
I don't think the fans that come with NZXT are that great, are they?

Just get the 2 now and mess around and figure it out when you get it.

>>59751462
>Anyone know of any good deals right now?
Other than that 1080 that's gone on sale a bit at $420, which just expired even then isn't that amazing considering the $90 470 would be 45% as powerful on average, not really.

There were some $120 RX470 like 2 days ago which is still a good deal, but that's gone too.

Sales have been pretty shit the past few days. You should have bought those newegg giftcards that were 19% off to begin with even not for that RX470, though.

>>59751556
It's pretty clear that the 1500X is going to on average be faster than the 7600k for a lot cheaper.

Some faggots will cherry pick outliers where it's slower, like with 2133mhz RAM and an Nvidia GPU in DX12, but even with those outliers it'll be faster on average.

Lies about "gaymes don't use more than 4 threads", when that's not even all software as well, are dead.

>>59751603
>>59751614
>>59751634
The red devil model is fine and worth getting if cheap. But the other power colors suck.

You can still use MSI Afterburner with it.

>>59751456
Any ideas?

>>59751654
I used to upgrade either the CPU or GPU + other stuff every 2-3 years alternating to keep my computer modern.

But since getting an i5-2500k and 7970... I had no reason to really upgrade until recently. And even then more just on the CPU side and the GPU is still fine.

File: IMG_2268.jpg (1MB, 3264x2448px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 3264x2448px

>>59745109
Is this an exposed wire inside my psu or normal? It's old but I'm just looking forward any exposed wires.

>>59752091
linus did something similar once, I'll take a look to find it

>>59752091
there we go

2 gaymen, 1 pc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuJYMCbIbPk

7 gaymen, 1 pc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXOaCkbt4lI

disclaimer: I didn't watch them

>>59751895
Was waiting for the 1080ti not good?

1080 at $800 was fucking retarded.
Even at $420 now it's just barely worth it.
And holy shit people were paying like $500 for 1070s. They're still not worth it when they drop to $325.

>>59751939
Yeah. But you at minimum need like a $40-$65 artic accelero good air cooler to take the RX480 to 1500mhz. That makes it more expensive than a 1060, but it is better.

And it'll still be worse on an Nvidia gimpworks game that uses retarded levels of tessellation, but on average way faster yeah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYL07c74Jr4

I'm not sure these rebrands are going to be that bad. They might be on a new process or have some other features even if it's the same die architecture.
It looks like we'll be getting a RX580 custom PCB OC cards that are 1500mhz stock.
The 1070 and 1080 rebrands have improvements as well with the memory that are going to make them better at 1440p and 4k I think where they currently have a big deficit compared to AMD.

>>59753223
G.Skill TridentZ. Seen multiple 3000 and 3200mhz kits being confirmed to be Samsung b-die and to work at the expected speed across multiple boards.

In other news: AMD really need to get their shit together with this stuff and fast.

File: [2017.04.02] カンナちゃん [あやみ].png (347KB, 700x1016px) Image search: [Google]

347KB, 700x1016px

>>59751939
>>59751956
I'm without GPU at the moment (using 7700K's iGPU) and so I'm also waiting for the new AMD cards.

Will the RX 580 be noticeably more powerful than the RX 480? What should we expect price-wise? Also would it be smart to buy a RX 580 right after it comes out? Whenever AMD releases something I feel like there are problems with it. I would hate having to send back my card or something.

>>59756185

Nope.

I bought a 1080 for a new build with a factory waterblock installed for ~$750.

It was worth it, I wouldn't have waited for the Ti.

>>59752990
>My other option was a 480 4gb, but I'd need to buy a new power supply
Jesus how bad is your PSU?

You could go with the RX470. It's significantly lower power than the RX580 for a non-OC model.

The 1060 3GB is really not worth it. 6GB can be, but as mentioned the 480 is just a plain better card in most cases even when equal cost. The exception is if you mostly just play witcher 3, overwatch, and gta5, as those 3 have clear performance outliers for Nvidia even vs a highly overclocked RX480.

>>59753098
The ASRock Pro4 is good. But how can we tell you if it's a good motherboard or not for you when you didn't say what you need in a motherboard? If all you need is one that's reliable, good EUFI, etc, then yes ASRock is always good. If you need a particular feature like 5+1 audio, 2 pcie, 2 m.2, or whatever, look at the features list and see that it's included.

Build looks fine besides the overpriced 1070.

>>59753327
You need at least 8 threads for a build that's going to last more than 2 years before it starts feeling choked whether it's in games or productive use, let alone today if you're using better than a 60hz monitor or most productive software.

>>59755264
>Pentium G4560 + Zotac GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Mini in mini ITX form for 550€. Only playing Rocket league but I do browse with 50+
You would be fine with the G4560 and no GPU. Just using the integrated GPU.
Or if you caught that i3-6100 sale for $88 the other day.

Or wait for Raven Ridge which will be like 2x more powerful CPU and 3x more powerful GPU for probably the same price as that GPU alone.

You really shouldn't be considering a dGPU that's any weaker than the RX470 with how good iGPUs have become.

>>59756196
literally a rx480 oc'd
not long till vega.
nvidia's next offerings are refreshes of pascals.

>>59753327

>Future proof.
>Won't even be able to run current gen software at more than 1920x1080 / 60fps.

Get a load of this guy.

You want to "future proof", you're going to have to really open up your wallet.

>>59755329
>Dude I like amd and all but this is mini ITX I don't need a sauna this summer
Intel are the housefires, retard. Ryzen is lower power.

File: untitled-1.png (43KB, 710x750px) Image search: [Google]

43KB, 710x750px

Actually there are leaks out so it seems I can answer my own question >>59756196.

I don't get how the 570 is beating the 480 though,
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/radeon-rx-550-570-and-580-3dmark-performance.html
its stats are worse in every ways.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/radeon-rx-550-570-and-580-3dmark-performance.html

>>59756404
Yeah the 580 570 just look the same as the 480 470, I don't feel like it's really worth it, especially since I live in EU and there's no way we'd get a 580 for just 200€ as noted in the article I linked above.

I'll wait for VEGA I guess.

>>59756441
because the 470 is an ever so slightly gimped version of the 480, either the 570 is essentially the 480 or its slightly less gimped than before.
i mean the 470 could be so similar to the 480 that an overclock (570) might make it better.

>>59756087
I don't see an exposed wire.

>>59752091
I've heard some people are doing that with Ryzen 7s with great success, since it's like having two 80-90% powerful i7-7700ks, especially if you have two separate GPUs.
Even with a single GPU it's good. But having the 4c/8t in a VM and a second GPU passed through is even better.

And yes, that is cheaper than 2 PCs since you just need one PSU, one case, and a Ryzen 1700 is cheaper than a single 7700k.

>>59756196
>>59756404
We don't know for sure what has changed.
There are rumors of a new process, but that's unlikely true.
VRAM speeds look the same, but overclocking VRAM on RX480 never really did much anyway.

>>59756441
Yeah I saw these leaks.. not sure if true.
If true, it's R9 Fury performance like I expected an RX480 at 1500mhz to be.

You can actually get a current RX480 to 1500mhz though if you just get an artic accelero cooler or something.

Now if this is a new process and they can OC even higher... there'll be no point in buying a 1070 except for nvidia optimized games.

Anyway, they come out in 2 fucking weeks so just keep using your iGPU or whatever and wait?
Worst case is that you still have the same cheap RX470s and RX480s that you can get.

>>59756474
No the RX570 has the same disabled 4 CUs as the RX470 compared to the RX480.
But its higher clocks are enough to surpass the RX480.

You can do this with an RX470 and cooler already, though.

>>59756422
alright motherfuck so you're telling me instead of the 7400 I should buy the 1600 ryzen which is the only one you can make a case for cause 6 cores, but is €100 more here. Well tell you what fuckboi I dont see any sense in that stupid proposition so you can take your advice and shove it up your booty hole

>>59756441
It seems that the RX 500 series may be around 5% stronger than the RX 400 series. There was a 5% gap between the RX 470 and 480, and the 570 closes that gap. Those percentages were ballparked but you know what I'm getting at.

I don't know exactly how much headroom there is for overclocking on the RX 500 series though.But it's likely that seeing the RX 580 being OC'd to 1500 Mhz will be a common sight.

Judging by these benchmarks, it just looks like the RX 580 was made to crush the GTX 1060 at an even lower price.

>>59756418
>You want to "future proof", you should open up your mouth, put the business end of a shotgun in, and paint the wall with your brains.
Fixed that for you.

>>59756586

Sorry about your shithole country.

>>59756586
>7400
>Ever, under any circumstances
Why would you do that?

>>59756669
god bless mate, I'm good
>>59756699
its the cheapest 4core why not

>>59753327
>a future-proof rig

There is no future-proof i5 and 1060. That's a waste of money in present day. If you want something resembling future-proof, start with an i7-7700k and a Z270 motherboard with SLI capability.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MhwNTH

>>59756586
The prices aren't like that in the majority of countries. Eat a dick.

>>59756869

You only think you're good because it's the only thing you've ever known.

>>59756927
I mean we don't have a official price yet this is just I converted and I did fuck up a bit it's 70€ more. If I can go I will, I aint a intel fanboy

>>59756883
1080Ti is still 8GB when a few games can use over 9GB now days.

Vega is the only way to go there. Nvidia cards perform way worse when they run out of VRAM, and Vega is supposed to perform even better than GCN ones do when that happens.

>>59756869
>its the cheapest 4core why not
Because it's hardly better than 2c/4t in most cases.

You don't have to spend much more money (or just spend the same with Ryzen) to get 8 threads that performs way better clock-for-clock on average.

SMT/HT is not some scam. It works very well and costs little.

For running a lot of programs, playing games, VMs, photo editing, and streaming: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QwYnFd

I'll be better served by the 1700 than a 7700K right? Swapping the parts out with Intel is only a hundred dollars more.

>>59757509
I fucked up, those should be 120mm fans: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y3xXpb

>>59757509
>For running a lot of programs, playing games, VMs, photo editing, and streaming
>I'll be better served by the 1700 than a 7700K right
Definitely. Cheaper and better for your case.

Get some artic silver if you don't already have some.
And why not just use the stock cooler on the 1700?

>>59756586
Why is the 1600 the only one for consideration when you're considering a fucking 4c/4t 3ghz 7400?
Get the 1400. It's not our fault you're stupid. Don't be a bitch to people trying to help and make arguments were there shouldn't be one by jumping up to a 6c/12t and comparing that price.

>>59757509

I'm running a 6700k @ 4.6 and it's excellent at multitasking.

I can run a different game on both monitors and still have all my bullshit running in the background (voip, browser, music player, boinc manager, cryptocurrency wallets, overclocking utilities, hardware monitors, etc) without issue

Really depends on your average workload. If you want the best single thread performance get the 7700k. If you can sacrifice a little single thread performance for the extra cores the 1700 is for you.

whats the difference between 7700k and 6700k? why are they priced pretty much the same when 7700k is a whole 1000k higher

>>59757570
Is the stock cooler that good? Noise and cooling are my main concerns with the stock cooler while overclocking.

I want to match the aesthetic with the mobo too, or I would have gone with something Noctua.

>>59757593
I'm on the fence with the 7700K. I'm concerned about its thermals and overclockability. I certainly wouldn't mind going with Intel, especially since they have better boards in mATX size.

>>59757593
You're talking like 15% better single threaded at the cost of having almost half the multithreaded.

It doesn't make any sense except to those people that need 350 fps in Overwatch instead of 310, which doesn't make sense either.

And the i7 is more money.

>>59757509
That 1070 is expensive as fuck. $430? What?
And why not just go semi-modular? The Seasonic semi-modular are cheap. And you only need 550W even if you were using a 1080Ti or probably whatever big Vega card is coming out.

>>59757660
>whats the difference between 7700k and 6700k
Stock clocks are higher on the 7700k and it can overclock maybe 3% higher. So 4.9Ghz instead of 4.8ghz is more average.
0-4% higher IPC on the kabylake, too.

>7700k is a whole 1000k higher
a whole 1000k what higher?

>>59756441
>580 still using GDDR5 and not GDDR5X
>570 still uncomfortably close to the 580
What is AMD even doing?
I can understand updating the process for better clock speeds (in which case, why didn't they call these cards RX 485 and RX 475 respectively), but letting the 570 cannibalize sales from the 580 again seems like total retardation.
At the very least they should have allowed the 580 to use GDDR5X and the 570 regular old GDDR5.

>>59756181
I've seen those already. They use the vga passthrough and require a dedicated card for each VM to work. These newer vGPUs can virtualize cores much like modern CPUs which eliminates the need for any passthrough hacks.

>>59757697
i dont get it.. why have 2 products that are essentially the same? 6700k and 7700k.. do they perform at the same level in all situations?

>>59757697
The 1070 is a placeholder. I know I can get it much lower elsewhere.

>>59757570
Cause 7400 was the one I saw pitched against 1600, you're right tho I found out plenty stuff just now, I was hasty with my statements that's true too.
>>59757448
Makes sense, I was uninformed, thanks

>>59757077
If you really want a more affordable alternative you could just get the R5 1400. With the price difference you mentioned in mind, you would get 4 cores with 8 threads for only 20€ more.

When you think about how big the price difference is between the i5 and i7, this makes more sense. I still suggest the R5 1600 as being the best for the money though.

>>59757695
>Is the stock cooler that good? Noise and cooling are my main concerns with the stock cooler while overclocking.
Have you looked at it?
It's pretty equal to the 212evo except the 100% fan speed isn't as loud or as high.

If you lower the fan speed on the 212evo so it's quiet (but only 95w TDP cooling) they are pretty equal. But it looks better and shit too.

As long as you stay under 1.35v, ideally more like 1.325v, the stock cooler is fine. You should reach 3.75-3.85Ghz all core which is a lot higher than the stock 3.3 all core or whatever. That's as good as its turbo or better but on all 8 cores.
I don't think you should expect more out of a 1700.

Maybe later on if you want to stretch out its life span instead of upgrading to zen2 or zen3 you could get a better cooler then?
Just get artic silver to replace the stock thermal pad and you're good.
People are saying you don't even need to do that, and the stock thermal pad on the cooler works fine, but I'd use artic silver anyway.

Worst case scenario: you replace the cooler later if you're not happy with it, and you saved $65 in the meanwhile.

>>59757776
>Cause 7400 was the one I saw pitched against 1600
By who? A 1600 is literally over twice as fast on average. More like 2.5x since you can OC it. I guess I missed someone suggesting the 1600 to you instead of the 1400 or 1500X.
A 1400 is about 30-80% better usually, depending on the application/game. There are extreme outliers with nvidia GPU with DX12 make it look shitty, but that's pretty much it. For the millions of other applications/games/settings the 1400 is just plain better.
i5s are overpriced garbage to the point there's no way your taxes and retailers price gouging can do enough to make them competitive against R5s.
i7 and R7 are a different comparison, but i5 vs i5 is very simple.

>>59757769
>i dont get it.. why have 2 products that are essentially the same? 6700k and 7700k
THE GOYIM IS ASKING TOO MANY QUESTIONS

File: Screenshot_20170404-233952.png (423KB, 720x1280px)

423KB, 720x1280px

Helping a friend build his first computer. His budget is 2000 dollars and he says hes gonna use it to hook up to his xbox, record, edit, and maybe play a couple games like H1Z1 and CSGO.
>pic related 1/2

File: Screenshot_20170404-233958.png (457KB, 720x1280px) Image search: [Google]

457KB, 720x1280px

>>59757878
>pic related 2/2

>>59757695

The 7700k is just a minor incremental improvement of the 6700k, so I would expect all the pros and cons to be the same.

The only criticism I have of my 6700k is the factory heat spreader. It's pretty obvious watching my temps that the thermal mating between the die and the heat spreader is fairly shit, resulting in a lot of temperature spikes and fluctuation. I'm on the fence about de-lidding.

>>59757697

Ryzen 7 series have twice the core count of a 6700k/7700k, but that doesn't mean double the multi threaded performance. Even then, the chances of you being able to utilize 8 physical cores during use for anything other than say, distributed computing, are slim to none most of the time.

Overwatch is a poor example. That extra single thread performance can make a difference in demanding 3D applications when you're trying to drive a 2k @ 144hz or a 4k @ 60hz.


There is absolutely no clear winner between 1700X / 1800X and 6700k/7700k. It's purely down to individual user habits / needs and personal preference. Choice is a good thing anon.

>>59757893

>Screenshot
>Of a photo
>Of a screen

Fuck off kid.

>>59757878
>he took a picture of a monitor
>no link
>212 evo
>$400+ 1070
>retail price windows
idk. building a PC sounds too advanced for you guys

>>59757878
OP here. don't get the 212 EVO.

>>59757915
Ill ask for the link, he sent me the picture of the monitor
Also ill tell him not to get the 212 evo

>>59757808
Oh absolutely, definitelly leaning towards R5s, 1600 as the best buy option as you say, might just put the gpu on wait and it will fit the budget eventually.
>>59757873
I guess I was kinda reluctant to change this months old config I already had, no yeah I've been turned around; R5s sound great. Like way back my father always cherished amd as price friendly option, there's some of that factor involved why I'd fucking love to get an amd

>>59757897
>There is absolutely no clear winner between 1700X / 1800X and 6700k/7700k
I mean yeah I can agree and I basically said that with
>i7 and R7 are a different comparison, but i5 vs i5 is very simple.
in my post right after.

But if you take the average for anyone that does more than simply boot up their computer, play video games, and turn off their computer, it's still safer to go with the 1700.
When it's worse, it's worse to the point where you won't really notice it.
When it's better, it's so much better.
And not only that, but the Zen 3 3600X or whatever will almost certainly be far more competitive if not the clear overall winner in games down the line, which someone can upgrade to with an AM3 motherboard. Someone that gets the 7700k has no upgrade path. That's the best CPU for the socket/chipset that there'll ever be.
It's already been confirmed that the 7740k is on the 2066 socket.

I still recommend the i7 to people plenty (though I'll tell them to save some money not trying to chase meme 5Ghz that their silicon might not be good enough to reach, and just shoot for 4.5-4.7 all core or just stock speeds), but for that person who was asking originally I'd recommend the 1700 easy.

>>59757923
>OP here
stfu

>>59757878

That build is full of meme. It is also overpriced and under-powered. I suggest this -

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BPRQNN

>>59757989
>Like way back my father always cherished amd as price friendly option
Some of us definitely have emotional attachments to AMD since they allowed us to afford computers good enough for gaming back when it was otherwise absurdly expensive from the 90s into the 00s.

But just because some people are bias doesn't make them necessarily wrong.
I'm an AMD fan and I still got the i5-2500k back in 2011 because it was just so much clearly better AND affordable than anything AMD had to offer at the time. I would still recommend i5s if that was the case, but it's not.

>>59758038
It's a good 7700k build, but expensive
And you know they're not going to overclock. The majority of people who get a 6700k/7700k don't.
Save a ton of money and get better performance with the better GPU going with:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VsfwFd

>>59757878
>>59757893
I'd suggest getting an R5 1600 ($220) and a cheap B350 ($110) board instead, it even comes with a free cooler that is almost as good as a 212 Evo. You could use the $230 to buy a a way stronger card like a GTX 1080.

GTX 1070: between $300 - $400
GTX 1080: between $500 - $600
Around a $200 difference.

However, if your friend plays CSGO more than anything else and really wants to get all professional and stuff, the i7 7700k is the best for the fps at a very large premium. I'm keeping the 144 Hz monitor in mind.

A guy is selling RX480 4GB for "$160 each or $300 both price negotiable" is $160 a good price? i'll ask for lower ofc but want to make sure starting point isnt bad. will be paired with a G3258, rest of the system can handle it (psu wise)
i also need a mouse, the corsair harpoon caught my eye. how are those?

>>59758038
>Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit
>$138.99
The fuck out of here with that shit.

refurbished stuff y/n?

>>59758080
>Save a ton of money

I am the anon who suggested the "good 7700k build". Your suggestion is a very nice, low-cost, high-powered build for those who aren't interested in hobby overclocking. I've bookmarked that build for future consideration. My nephew has never owned a pc and he graduates eighth grade this summer. He was accepted to an honors program at an exclusive high school, and so he deserves a nice present. Your build looks like a pc that would suit him just fine. Thanks for posting it.

>>59758153
Item? Price? Warranty? Don't rule it out completely but be appropriately cautious.

>>59758107
That's actually a pretty good deal. I've seen the RX 480 4GB on sale for $150, but people had to jump through a bunch of hoops to get to that price.

So that's an awesome deal. However, there's one more factor though. What kind of 480 is it?

>>59758107
They are found new for $160. I wouldn't pay more than $140 at all, I'd offer 125

>>59758153
generally y

>>59758088
1070 are barely worth it at the $325 they somewhat often drop to.

But sometimes you can find a 1080 for $420 which is pretty nice. Though I'd still wait for Vega.

>However, if your friend plays CSGO more than anything else and really wants to get all professional and stuff, the i7 7700k is the best for the fps at a very large premium
Is a 1500X and RX470 not enough for 240+ fps in CSGO? I know the RX470 is. I'd figure the 1500X would be as well.
And that assumes he has a 240hz monitor to begin with.

For 144hz, a fucking RX460 (which I'd never recommend buying) and stock clock 1400 is surely enough. Hell a G4560 is enough should rarely drop under 144fps in CSGO.

>>59758107
I've seen RX480 4GB for $150 new.
Not to mention you can get RX470 4GB for $100-$125 pretty often which overclock to RX480 performance (of course you can also overclock the RX480 too. It has 12% more CUs, but that's more CUs than are needed at 1080p for the given ROPs and shit)
What model they are? What's the stock boost clock?

>>59758153
>refurbished stuff y/n?
I have fantastic luck buying refurbished stuff.
And if it's bad, you just send it back.

>>59758172
Thanks

Yeah, it's definitely the best bang for the buck if you need more than like a 1500X/1600 with an R9 Fury or overclocked 480 (which is like another $300-$400 less)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cVhW7h

>>59758226
It was actually the ROG Strix 8GB RX480 that people were getting for $150.
That's a good model, and 8GB.

I'd only pay $160 for a used 4GB RX480 if it's a good model with a good custom PCB that I'm certain I can get to 1500mhz OC.. and even then I'm not sure. Like if it already had a good aftermarket cooler like an artic accelero, yeah.

If the warranty isn't transferable and shit, $125 really sounds right. It's not your fault the guy probably paid $280 at launch for them.

>>59758226
i dont know, its on craigslist, but its a local dude in my college town. posted a pic of the reference cooler so i guess its nothing special. only thing i know is that its MSI
>>59758229
okay, $125 sounds good i'll text him.
>>59758274
its probably not, the dude posted a pic of a reference cooler. then again, looking at MSI's website the only 4gb models are the armor or the gaming.

>>59758309
It has the reference blower? Yeah, that's $125 max.

It's not bad, the reference PCB is fine, but you're going to want to spend $40-$65 on an artic accelero or another aftermarket cooler that's going to be MUCH quieter and allow overclocks if you'd like.

>>59758080
True true, no in all honesty I came here knowing jack shit about current state of things, I mean I was informed and ready to buy half a year ago and cooled down eventually so I got this itch to buy again and came here to fool around, I'm absolutely not accusing anyone of bias even tho obviously it happens. I read enough in last hour to see for myself, it's all cool really, thanks.

>>59758243
Yeah, you're right. I just saw some R7 1700 CSGO benchmarks on YouTube and noticed it consistently hitting over 200 fps. And he does have just a 144 Hz monitor after all. I mentioned it and I still forgot about it lol.

In that case, I'm not going to suggest the i7 7700k for this build anymore. It's the R5 1500x/1600 all the way.

- - -
I'd also suggest waiting for Vega. But I'm recommending the GTX 1080 for now if the guy doesn't want to wait for one or two more months. I know, but some people are like that.

>>59758364
texted the guy, says it is reference. looking at newegg they do have a ref 4gb. trying to seal the deal will update. also on newegg a new one goes for $180 with rebate so 160 is very expensive...

>>59758397
>1080 for CS:GO
Really, senpai?

>>59756516
>>59756625
Yeah nah I'll wait, the iGPU is really not bad at all. RX 580 sounds like a good deal depending on the price though considering I only play at 1080p. I'll still wait for VEGA I think to get a better overall picture of my different choices.

Nvidia cards seem really overpriced though, seriously. It's like half the price I paid my computer, even though I bought a 7700K. I'm not as huge of a gamer to feel like investing so much into a GPU.

>>59758376
More people were uninformed about /g/ a year ago about what's coming and just shilling, I guess.
... even though AMD was hiring tons of top talent back in 2013.
... and 32 core zen leaks using "core clusters" was leaked back in like 2015.

No one really knew that AMD would exceed their IPC goal so well (though back in december we were guessing it looks more like 47-54%, not 40%).
Or that their first implementation of SMT would be better than Intel's 10th generation.
But... everyone knew how Intel does this dead end shit where you need a new motherboard every 2 years while AM3 was supported for 8 years essentially, so it was still worth waiting to see just for the long term support the platform may offer? Or just getting a G4560 which is good enough for most people? Shit.

>>59758397
The RX460 actually averages 200fps in CSGO maxed. An RX470 won't drop under 200 ever.

I'd get an RX470 myself if... I didn't already have a 7970 that's almost as good, but just too much of a space heater.
Those fucking $235 R9 Fury prices were tempting as hell, too.
So just waiting for Vega so I won't have to buy another GPU for 6 years again unless I really want to. Volta, Navi, and beyond could be really interesting. It's pretty obvious that both Nvida and AMD are going to be splitting up the dies into clusters in the future which should allow for absurd power affordably.
That said, at scarcely over $400, the 1080 is still a very nice card when it's priced that low.

For Overwatch the RX480 is not good enough for Overwatch maxed out, to keep 144minimum, though. 1070 is the minimum for that.

>>59758472
Ya everyone has basically said that $160 is too expensive.
There are better models that go on sale new with warranty for $150.
$125 seems fair. I'd recommend getting an aftermarket cooler for it unless the blower really doesn't bother you and you really don't want to overclock at all either.

>>59758483
>Nvidia cards seem really overpriced though
They aren't compared to their previous offerings for years, at least.
Their price-performance for this generation is much better than usual.
But now that RX470s and RX480s keep going on sale for so cheap, they still don't seem like it. But.. the 1080 is still good performance in that $400-$500 range. It's better than getting 2 RX480s and the game not having crossfire support, at the moment, if you want to game in 4K or you want over 120fps minimum even on high end games.

Now last generation, that was true.
People actually thought a 970 was good value. They still sell used for $150-$200 somehow despite the RX470 overall being better which can be found new with warranty for $110-$130(or even $90 with hoops sometimes). Some people are just retarded.

>>59758563
Or they aren't really retarded when they bought them $250 new before. They were scammed in not seeing how gimped it was with games at the time. But many newer games show how gimped it was.

>>59758477
I wasn't recommending a GTX 1080 for CSGO alone you dummy lol.

The dude just mentioned that CSGO is one of the games that his friend is going to play. It's not just going to be that game alone. Also I'm going back to recommending the R5 1500x/1600 for CSGO. Cause 144 Hz.

>>59758563
Yup. With the RX 580 being actually stronger than the GTX 1060 and even cheaper than the RX 480, Nvidia still looks really overpriced.

You're also correct when it comes to high end cards. AMD currently has nothing on the GTX 1070, 1080/Ti, and Titan X Pascal right now.

>>59758211
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAA7W5448594&cm_re=intel_i7_motherboard-_-9SIAA7W5448594-_-Product

I just need something super cheap to use for diagnosing parts as well as something to use for the next few months until i can get a good board.

I own a i7/GTX1080 build, should I go with 1080p 144hz or 1440p 144hz?

In another thread the other day I read that for games performance per core is more important than "lmao more cores" since most games are unable to utilize more than one.

Then in the wiki from the OP I've read "More cores are good for things like compiling, video encoding and gaming (e.g. i7 better than i5)." which is the opposite from above, saying more cores = better.

Then in this thread I've read that games are "about to" start utilizing meme cores.

So taking all of this into consideration, if I am looking for a new CPU that will have great performance for older and currently out games, I should be going for more performance per core, right? So how do I know which CPU does better than which? Which stats do I measure this performance in? Frequency? or something else

Can't play the latest games anymore. Need help.
Specs:
GTX 570
i5 3330 3.00 GHZ
8 GB RAM

Searching for a graphic card for max 250 euro, if that's possible

Would I need more than 2400mhz ram speed for gaming paired with i7 7700k?

>>59758765

you should really wait and try to drop $400 on a gtx1070

> just spent 700 USD on a gaming pc yesterday
> installedd all the AAA games I was missing out on for 3 years of college
> played 10 minutes with each, got bored of them all
> win10 is shit, fans are noisy, cant chill on my bed while using it
> turn off pc
> continue shitposting on my old macbook

Fuck, I feel for the "build your pc" meme and it was just a waste of money

>>59758765
RX 480 or GTX 1060. The 1060 would be slightly better but you will probably have a hard time finding it for 250.

>>59758776

no, you'd be fine with 2133 actually. even with 3000mhz you'd see an increase of ~5 fps.

File: stoneybeach_beautyangle1_rgb_lr-100702606-large.jpg (37KB, 700x462px)

37KB, 700x462px

So I'm building a new PC, things have changed and I haven't kept up, but the basic process is just like usual.

At least, that's what I thought, until I started seeing something about "Optane Memory". What in the hell is optane memory? Is it RAM or something else? Do I want it? When the hell did this come out? Is optane memory just a meme to get you to spend more money?

>>59758705
With that build, 1440p 144 Hz is golden. Try to invest in a G-Sync monitor too (overpriced, but your only option).

>>59758716
Strong cores with high clocks for gaming was true for the past several years, but the climate if very different now.

With Vulkan and DX12 getting a little more frequent with each coming year. CPUs with many cores are becoming more viable. DX11's hold, while still strong, is beginning to weaken.

Even Intel is aware of this and they plan on turning the mainstream i7s into Hexacore processors in the next coming years. Console's with 8 cores further push the industry towards multi-threading.

TL;DR; To answer your question, the best way to measure this is a combination of factors. You want to measure frequency, IPC, and core/thread count. Everything is important.

>>59758789

>win10 is shit

Did you comb through it and uninstall all the bloatware and turn off all the data collection? It's a nice OS after an hour of tweaking.

Also, what sort of fans do you use? 120mm fans are awful, but 140mm fans can be at full tilt and still be barely audible under load.

I just bought a Powercolor 7970 for $50 to replace my 750Ti, How'd I do?

Specs:
I5-4460
Gigabyte B85M-DS3H
2x4GB 1600Mhz G.Skill Ripjaws
1TB WD Blue
Corsair 200R
Corsair CX500

>>59758807
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3155365/storage/intels-optane-what-users-can-expect-in-pcs-and-when-it-will-ship.html

read.

>>59758794
found this one for 230 euro
https://www.alternate.nl/ASUS/GeForce-GTX-1060-DUAL-3G-Grafische-kaart/html/product/1292415?lk=20681
(dutch)

>>59758820
Excellent job. You got a massive boost in power, way stronger than the 750 Ti. The only downside is that you have only 3GB, which is still okay as of 2017.

>>59758765
You can easily find an RX 480 for under 250 euros. You might want to wait for the RX 500 series cards. They're not that much stronger, but they will be just as cheap or even cheaper.

>>59758830
A 4GB RX470 for $170 makes way, way, way more sense than a 3B 1060, even if you mostly play Nvidia favored games.
Even if they were the same price, still the RX470.

>>59758830
The 1060 3GB is weaker than the 6GB. 3GB of vram won't be good for the future, especially at 230 euro. Can you find an RX 480 8GB at a similar price or lower?

I have an old a8-6600k overclocked at 4.4GHz and a HD6670

what is the best GPU I can get without my cpu throttling and uses only the pci-e power?

>>59758820
7970 is about 3x more powerful than the 750Ti as long as you aren't VRAM choked.
Hell, even if a game is using 3.5gb, the 7970 probably still outperforms it.
As long as you don't max out texture resolution (which is a VRAM hog with games shipping with textures for 4k), you're fine.

If I'm not mistaken, the 7970 performance lies somewhere in the middle between a 1050Ti and RX470.

So yeah, that's a great upgrade if performance/watt isn't a concern.
It's the card I'm using and I get around 60fps in For Honor about maxed out in the 1v1 and 2v2 mode. Still well over 30 in the mode that has the bunch of units and AI.

>>59758976
>only using pci-e power
Idk man... you should probably just save up for Raven Ridge instead of even considering upgrading what you have.
Will be able to make an entire PC that's probably better than an i5-7400 with a 1050Ti for less than just the price of those two components, then.

That CPU is garbage. Your motherboard is garbage. Your PSU is garbage. You ought to be thinking about upgrading those.

How do you pick your SSD?

>>59758776
>>59758800
>no, you'd be fine with 2133 actually. even with 3000mhz you'd see an increase of ~5 fps.
A 5fps increase is the same you'd see from overclocking in most cases.

So I don't get why the fuck you'd get an unlocked CPU to overclock when you could get an easier FPS increase with better RAM instead.

Buying 2133 RAM when you're spending $600+ on a 7700k+mobo+cooler is retarded.

>>59759071
sort by cheapest price/gb. all ssds feel the same

>>59759000
The HD 7970 is a the same card as the R9 280x. And the R9 280x is 30% weaker than the RX 480. The RX 470 is 10% weaker than the 480. Your approximation is about right.

The HD 7970 is really standing the test of time.

>>59759071
>which cache type
>overall reviews
>random/sequential read/write
>10GB+ read/write performance (cache type makes the difference here)
>durability tests

File: 1398402048909.webm (1MB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1280x720px

>>59759071
Warranty length, and then total write endurance ratings. Anything less than five years or 160TB per ~125GB total write endurance is not worth buying.

File: CompSpecs.png (30KB, 652x446px)

30KB, 652x446px

Alright, so I'm looking to do basically a complete upgrade of my current rig, which is about 8 years old with occasional upgrades. The only things that would be transferred over are the graphics card and power supply. How does this look for an upgrade?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ChyvCy
I plan on the OS being on the SSD and harddrive for everything else.

I mostly play games, but also do things in blender and other programs.

File: fury 1400p.png (94KB, 720x260px) Image search: [Google]

94KB, 720x260px

>>59758658
>You're also correct when it comes to high end cards. AMD currently has nothing on the GTX 1070, 1080/Ti, and Titan X Pascal right now.
Well I wouldn't really agree for the 1070, unless power draw or performance/watt is a concern.
Especially at 1440p, which is what most people would get that extra power for over a 1060.

These are old benchmarks, mind you.
But the RX480 overclocked to 1500mhz is roughly R9 Fury performance.
That puts it pretty damn close to the 1070, both for way cheaper.

The reason to spend so much more for 1070 would mainly be power concerns. But even in Nvidia favored games like Overwatch, you should still get 144fps minimum with an R9 Fury or a 1500mhz RX480.

Granted, you can overclock the 1070 as well, but they should really be around $275 to really be worth it.

>>59759181
I think total TBW matters more than per actual storage size.

I'd rather get a 1TB with 800 TBW than a 512 with 600, if that's the case.
And if I need a big scratch disk for, say, video rendering, then a smaller size but high TBW is what matters.

>>59759000
>>59758864
I don't try to push the settings to it's max and mostly play competitive shooters so I should be fine ; Most intensive game I play at the moment is BF4 and that ran fine but wanted better performance.

>>59759210
While that is the case, RX 480s reaching 1500 Mhz is an uncommon sight. Most I see are around 1300 Mhz and 1400 Mhz, with some going over that. Many people require a really nice cooling solution to get to 1500 Mhz.

After the RX 580 launches, then the GTX 1070 will truly feel overpriced since the former will be far more capable of reaching 1500 Mhz and possibly even higher.

>>59759199
Why not a 7700K? Or Ryzen?

>>59759362
1500mhz is common as long as you just have an aftermarket cooler like an artic accelero and it's a non-reference PCB with an 8pin.

The silicon handles it perfectly fine.

>>59759199
evo212 is garbage if you're planning to overclock.
And if you're not, you could get a cheaper board and nicer cryorig c1 or c7.

That seems like a lot of money for a mediocre cooler and mediocre z270 motherboard when you could just get Ryzen.

>>59759199
This is from one of my replies. I modified it.

I'd suggest getting an R5 1600 ($220) and a cheap B350 ($110) board instead, it even comes with a free cooler that is almost as good as a 212 Evo.

You'll save over $110 and have 6 cores and 12 threads. The R5 1600 will be great for Blender. And the fps difference in games vs the 6700k is negligible.

If you Intend on keeping your budget the way it is, getting the R7 1700 (8 cores 16 threads) will be the best for your needs.

>>59758937
RX 480 8GB is at 310 euro. How does it compare to the 1060?

>>59759464
I didn't notice the guy saying he used blender and shit.

Yeah, the 1600 if you want to overclock or 1600X if you don't would be best.

>>59759513
At 1440p it's largely better. Way better in DX12. It overclocks better as well as long as you get one with an 8 pin.
Did you miss how people pointed out you can get an RX470 for like 170 euro? Should be the HIS one unless it's no longer on sale. Get that.

So I'm thinking about a 120 gb SSD for a clean install of windows. Is it really faster than a regular old HDD? A 1 Tb HDD is the same price as these 120gb SSDs.

>>59759563
Do you really think it's a scam and they're not faster?

It's like the #1 more recommended upgrade to speed things up as HDD is often the bottleneck for PCs now days as CPUs have stagnated.

>>59759563
>SSD
>Faster than a regular old HDD
He fell for the meme, boys.

>>59759415
That's what I'm saying. That's paying for $50 - $70 for only an increase of about 80 to 100 Mhz compared to standard custom coolers. It starts to suffer in price to performance after that; not great for the average consumer.

However, if someone comes across an RX 480 8GB with a great PCB for $150, then it might be worth considering. Still the gains are very minimal. At least the temps would be nicer.

>>59759626
t. poorfag

>>59758820
>buying a 7970 in 2017
i mean its still pretty powerful but why the fuck did you buy a gpu from 2011 in 2017 instead of something like a rx 470

>>59759607
I mean, what sort of speed boost are we talking about? I was only going to install my OS on the SSD, and then install games on HDDs since I have a few large ones. Will the OS being on the SSD make the computer run that much faster or smoother, or are SSDs more of a benefit when you install your programs/games on them instead of the OS?

>>59759563
Honestly I have a SSD and aside from the startup I can't say it's really a must have. But maybe if I were to downgrade I'd realize how good I have it.

>>59759652
Er I see what you're saying, but those coolers even on the OC models, non-blower, simply do not compare to the quietness and performance of an artic accelero or other aftermarket cooler.

And considering you can still get that + cooler for less than a 1060, and OC it to perform better and be quieter than a 1060, is what I'm trying to say.

>>59759696
I personally think getting an SSD that can just barely fit the OS and nothing else is fucking stupid.
Boot times don't affect you as much as game/level loading times, the speed at which you load large files you're working with like for video editing and rendering, etc.

>>59759695
cuz he's poor.
The 7970 was less than half as much for like 75% the performance.

If you have the money, the 470 is more worth it for the lower power consumption and more VRAM, for sure.

>>59759563
You could get a cheap as shit 60 GB SSD for Windows alone. It's only $38 on Amazon. It's called a "DREVO X1 Series 60GB." The reviews on it are decent.

At least get an SSD for your OS. You'll initially get orgasms from the boot times, then you'll never go back to HDD for OS.

- - -
Amazon link: https://www.amazon.com/DREVO-X1-2-5-inch-Solid-State/dp/B01K1W7JNW/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1491436494&sr=1-1&keywords=ssd&refinements=p_n_feature_three_browse-bin%3A14027456011

>>59759395
I don't have a good answer for you besides maybe thinking this meets my needs.

>>59759415
>>59759464
>>59759530
Thanks for the advice and I didn't intend on overclocking. I'll probably go with the R5 1600X

>>59759707
>Boot times don't affect you as much as game/level loading times, the speed at which you load large files you're working with like for video editing and rendering

I see what your saying, but at the same time I do want to try it. I have other friends who say that they installed their OS on an SSD and said that boot times increased by a few seconds. I think I might just buy another 1Tb HDD and consolidate some stuff for now.

>>59759733
I was going to get this one, 120 GB for about $10 more:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F9G414U/

>>59759740
Just remember that the R5 1600X doesn't come with a cooler. You could just grab a Cyrorig.

>>59759769
That's a really good price compared to that other one I posted. I would buy that in a heartbeat if I were you. You could even install other programs/games on the side; they'll open up in a flash.

>>59759804
Yeah, I dunno, I think I'm being too picky. I can buy another HDD to store games and shit on, and I do think the an SSD is a good choice for my OS. I can always buy a large SSD dedicated to games too if I want.

>>59759700
>I can't say it's really a must have.
Got to disagree with you completely there. Putting in my first SSD was the single most transformative upgrade I've ever made. Went from two top-end HDDs in RAID 0 to a budget SSD and have never looked back.

>But maybe if I were to downgrade I'd realize how good I have it.
I suspect you might be right.

>>59759769
I mean you can get the 525GB MX300 for $140.. is that really too much money?
You can fit quite a lot on there.

When I bought my last set of 1TB HDDs it was about $0.25 per GB... now SSDs are that.

>>59759775
Yeah a C1 would probably be enough for the 1600X with how power efficient Ryzen is. A C7 would be a big upgrade. No need to really go H5.
Which is awesome, because those lower TDP coolers look nicer and can transfer over to a mITX build.

File: Ryzen Power Efficient.png (49KB, 849x621px) Image search: [Google]

49KB, 849x621px

>>59759862
Yup. For example look at this chart, which features the R7 1800x with all the cores at full load. The top is clock speed and the left is voltage. The numbers in the bars are wattage.

As you can see here, the R7 1800x at 3.3 Ghz and 1 V consumes only 52 watts at max load. That is crazy power efficiency. I could see this being used in laptops.

Even if you aren't going to overclock, you might want to consider undervolting and underclocking to get nice temps/even better power efficiency.

>>59759990
I never see Ryzen's idle and low power state performance mentioned anywhere. Intel's are fucking atrocious beyond dual cores. Their S, T, and L models are just gimped versions of their respective SKUs that idle at roughly the same power consumption.

>>59758522
where do i find a new one for $150?
the dude said another guy picked both up and if $125 used and $150 new id just get new.

File: ComputerBuild.png (120KB, 1146x947px) Image search: [Google]

120KB, 1146x947px

Alight, gonna start buying shit tonight.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gQxXpb

How's it look? Do I even need that CPU cooler?

>>59760835
>7700
that shit is a mistake, just get a 1700 and overclock it

also new thread when?