say something nice about systemd

install gnu/gentoo linux+openrc

>>59730187
Why is Lennart such a fucking beta cuck and a SJW shithead?

>>59730259
why are you so mean?

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>>59730281
Grow up.

>>59730259
all germans his age are like that

>>59730301
>being grown up implies being mean is ok

>>59730315
And? Just because he's a retard SJW shithead doesn't mean he can be excused. He has internet. He reads English. He can deprogram himself. Has he done that? No. he's still an SJW betafag.

how is he a SJW exactly?

>>59730259
>hehe sjw cuck
Cringe. Back to pol with you.

>>59730187
It is better than upstart, but that is not an achievement

>>59730187
Systemd is awesome, never had a problem with it.
And I never gave a shit about "muh GNU philosophy" or gnus in general anyway.

>>59730396
is that you being passive agressive, anon?

>>59730187
It just werkz providing you aren't retarded and incapable of reading man pages

Would a nice thing be that I run it because I don't give a shit whether or not my GNU/Linux distro of choice uses it by default or not unlike /g/?

>>59730187
How about no.

Lennart is an insufferable cunt.
He's literally wrote svchost.exe: Linux edition.
He's disingenuous and the actions that Red Hat are pulling are starting to really make me think.

>>59730187
It makes neckbeards angry.

Lennart is cute and I would pin him down and fuck his ass if I could.

webbrowserd when? Firefox and Chromium suck

>>59730402
Actually it's the Unix philosophy. GNU means GNU'S Not Unix, but I believe it became that purely for practical reason not because the FSF gives a shit about Unix or its philosophy or not since they have different ideals.

>>59730351
He's not really a SJW but he talked about diversity and """marginalized""" minorities on one of his blog posts. That makes him a cuck though.
>>59730425
>>59730417
>>59730402
Oh look the Red Hat shills are here.

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>>59730187
even his audio stack calls home

thanks potter, ur a wizard

>>59730425
you don't give a fuck because you're a retard that only needs to change your wallpaper every couple days instead of doing meaningful work.

>>59730362
what is this new meme?

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"systemd" is in actual spyware
coincidence?

It always crashes on Ubuntu Mate 16.10

>>59730408
Not really, I was working with upstart, and found two serious design problem in it.
The combination of that two made it impossible to reboot the system gracefully, if the init script was originally faulty. The fixed init script did not refresh the representation stored in memory (1).
It could have been worked around if we can trigger a new service before the pre-stop script is called, but you can't register an event on pre-stop, since originally upstart does not emit event there (2).

>>59730459
This. If you've ever read through any GNUs software you would realize that. They don't much care about writing things that follow any good design practices at all, or look good for that matter.

>>59730187
The name is kinda cool.
Boot times are faster.
That's it, I guess.

>>59730652
>Boot times are faster.
fucking liar

>>59730690
They are, though.

>>59730187
I'm glad this yahoo doesn't work for microsoft.

>>59730761
He does. Microsoft smuggled him into Red Hat to bring pajeet-tier software to Linux.

>>59730736
even though systemd allows services to be started at the same time, they are still loaded from the hard drive sequentially
you can read stuff at the same time from an SSD, but you'd barely notice the difference since it's an SSD
in both cases, systemd's "simultaneous service startup" has no purpose

>>59730776
>pajeet-tier software
systemd is the most advanced init systemd in existence
even apples launchd can't compete
lennart is the harbinger of the year of the GNU/Linux desktop

>>59730781
I don't know about that, anon. But I make a comparison back when Debian adopted systemd and the boot time was slightly faster.

>>59730808
That's like calling Microsoft Office "advanced".
It's just bloated overly complex enterprise software by pajeets that think buzzwords==good design.

>>59730827
Debian's init scripts are pretty retarded.
Probably doesn't run anything in background.

>>59730827
it's probably because services spend some small amount of time doing something after they're read from the HDD and the next service must wait for it in sysv init
but openrc and runnit solve those issues anyway

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>Devuan number 131 on distrowatch
>Slackware number 32 and continuing to fall
nobody cares about anti-systemd autism

this thread is full of mean people saying mean things

>>59730914
Slackware is not an anti-systemd distro.
It's just doing what it always did.

>>59730652
Try runit, boot times on Void blow systemd out of the fucking water.

What does systemd do that other inits can't do?

I can't think of a single thing that systemd does that hasn't been implemented elsewhere.

>>59730187
Impossible.

>>59730438
>i don't know what shit does svchost.exe but I Hear somewhere that's bad, bloated and not in line with Cucnix "philosophy"

>>59730968
I can't think of any other init that uses hard-coded Google DNS servers.
So that's new I guess.

i remember some early day of systemd, for some reason i installed it, or "upgraded" into it.

At night I couldn't even figure out how to shutdown because it removed those commands somehow.
Had to look up how to shutdown and I had no idea what was causing it.
Finally it was "systemctl poweroff" like i was just supposed to guess that some how

It's good but it should refrain on add shit now and just iron and iron bugs.

>>59730955
>>59730652
does your cold also get better when they give you sugar pills?

>>59730988
Wait what? lmao

>>59730187
botnet

>>59730988
>hardcoded DNS servers
Distro guys should change them, but again, nobody in GNU tries to integrate well the pieces, only make distros a la Copland.

>>59731011
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=761658

>>59730988
It's only a default if you're too dumb to manually set a DNS server or get one from DHCP

>>59731010
I tried it on a few laptops, and in every case systemd would take 1-2 seconds to boot on an SSD while runit would boot in less than a second.

>>59731029
I thought the point of systemd was to ease the burden of distro maintainers and unify more parts of different distros.

>>59731034
>It's only by default if you don't change the default
Yeah, retard, that's what "it's by default" means

>>59731036
>meanwhile, runit can't avoid mischievous processes to double fork

>>59730968
You can theoretically do anything with shell scripts with or without systemd.

Except that systemd almost everything can be done without crappy distro custom shell scripts.

>>59731059
>bad software misbehaves
>its the init's fault
>better write 250,000 lines of cgroup madness to solve a problem that could be fixed with one 13 line patch

>>59731066
>crappy distro custom shell scripts
no u

>>59731051
So what default DNS provider should they use?

>OpenDNS is owned by Cisco, who are probably no better then Google
>Redhat or distros run their own global DNS infrastructure, dumb
>Just give up and leave DNS broken

>>59731066
Shell scripts are pretty integral to administering Linux and pretty much all the main distros still use /etc/rc.d with systemd.

There is also the fact that when a shell script breaks, it's a lot easier to find out where than when systemd breaks, which is pretty often desu.

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>>59731085

>>59731106
what's wrong with him?

>>59731059
>what is fghack

>>59731101
If a critical component of your network fails, then yes your init should fail instead of silently trying to work-around it.

This isn't a fucking web page that happily continues running a script despite critical errors. This actually matters.

>>59731103
You can use shell scripts with systemd just fine.

But 99% of the time you can replace a 200 line init script with a dozen lines of systemd config

>>59731115
he's alright

>>59731132
>User doesn't configure his DNS
SYSTEMD BROKE MY INTERNET FUCKING SJW LENNY POTTERY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>59731133
but can I replace some of the compiled C code that systemd consists of?

>>59731101
It should fucking fail retard.

>>59731141
>missing the point so hard
If you fuck up the config, which happens to the best of us, it should fail in an obvious way.
Nothing is worse for admins than silently failing software.

>>59731145
File a bug report or submit a patch

>Every distro writes their own shitty unique combination of patches to get around countless bugs instead of getting shit fixed upstream once and for all so it just werkz

>>59731184
but I don't want my distro to be the same as all the others

>>59731184
Writing 2 line shell scripts in runit is easier desu

>>59731196
Choice is for fags.
Linux should be one streamlined distro, dictated by our friends at Micro... Red Hat.

>>59731196
Literally timesink OS

>>59731085
>trusting to third parties your system blindly
Do you like cooperative multitasking too?

>>59731118
A parody of what systemd is capable desu

>>59731050
Yes, but that does require the effort to integrate systemd with the distro. Almost all Lennartware has that condition.
When it's correctly done, like in fedora, the shit is noice.

>>59731085
>Just run your web server as root, it doesn't really matter and scripting sandboxing security measures takes too long

>>59731173
>fail and crash a critical server in a error who can be solved relatively easy
Just read the fucking journal, Bryan. Oh, and take some sun.

>>59731280
>systemd is a giant binary running in pid 1

>>59731255
?
>>59731280
>what is firejail
It's not hard to run things in a sandbox without systemd
Try again Red Hat shill

>>59731310
Thanks for confirm that you don't know jack shit. :^)

>>59731339
Explain?

I've seen people shit on systemd, and say that it's objectively better than the hack that init scripts have become, but I've seen literally no evidence that it's better than runit or openrc. Sure, four years ago openrc couldn't compete and didn't have many features, but today they can do all the same stuff without being bloated. Runit is also faster.

>>59731438
>but today they can do all the same stuff without being bloated. Runit is also faster.
[citation need]

>>59730187
I can't.

SysV started fucking up, laptop wouldn't shut off when wanting to shut down.. Same with restart, so I installed Systemd and now everything is fine.

Go SystemD!!!

>>59731510
I'll take things that never happened for 500 Alex

>>59730247
fpbp

>>59731536
Lel, that was everyday bread on some server that my Company had some time ago.
The culprit was an additional character in some script that was updated some time ago to do I don't remember what shit.

>>59731085
crashing is misbehaving too, yet I expect systemd to restart those processes too (if specified so).

>>59730362
back to /co with you.

>>59730525
>Supporting network-based audio streams = botnet

>>59730187
It is a step forwards.

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>>59730315
kraut's, fucking up europe and the world for over 100 years.

>>59731816
K

>>59730455
>Lennart is cute and I would pin him down and fuck his ass if I could.

You use arch linux by any chance?

>>59730525
Because god forbid someone want to set up a five dollar computer on a chip with a speaker for a homecooked alternative to some proprietary shit like sonos.

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>>59730776
>Microsoft smuggled him into Red Hat to bring pajeet-tier software to Linux.

>>59730323
yes

>>59732231
>implying that Linux wasn't pajeet tier software to begin

>>59732413
stay salty wintoddler

>>59730187
It's a metric fuckton better than init scripts.
Like holy shit those were bad, anyone who says anything to the contrary is a fucking moron.

>German cuck destroys lincucks seemingly overnight with little resistance
How does this happen?

>>59732441
>I've never heard of djb's daemontools that's why I love systemd
Can you do anything more than parrot Lennart's retarded bullshit?

>>59730187
It works as intended.
it's free software.
I don't even get why people are mad.
>bloated
Well sure, it's more LOC. It's got more features after all. These feautures are what most people want in their systems. If you don't want them use devuan, redox OS or haiku. Idk maybe give NixOS with HURD a try.
>too complicated
Nobody is forcing you to use it.
>literally spyware
Link me code inspection that shows that it is.

This seems so very simmilar to people hating on microsoft. People are getting mad because they want to play their games and stick to their beliefs about code purity.
Here's my impression of antid people:
>Fuck U, I want to use a voice assistant but cortana is proprietary. Make it free now, I deserve to use it.
Lennart made systemd. You go and make a better init system. If you're happy with sysV, runit or whatever make your own distro. You're just hating because you want the nice feautures and support base of the comfy distros while demanding your code should be a human readable poem. I can only imagine this being a priority to you because you're not using your computer for anything but ricing your window manager and looking at beastgirl hentai. If you want to change systemD find a flaw that's actually effecting users and propose a better solutions.

>>59730187
using it is like indirectly sucking lennarts bepis

>>59732490
I don't use dead software. Prove to me why it's better than systemd and I'll take a further look.
Unless all you can do is shit on systemd without any actual reasoning, which I strongly suspect is true.

>>59732841
Just look it up you lazy fuck.

daemontools handles services much better, and keeps track of the process. No dropping into background and having to keep track of PID files necessary.

>>59732775
Being forced isn't the same thing as being coerced, the latter is definitely true.

Systemd has a nice-ish init system somewhere inside there.

>>59732935
Yeah I guess I can agree with that. Also nice-ish init would be a cute name.

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systemd is pretty good but nowhere complete. It's still missing crucial components needed for an OS. I'm waiting for compilerd, kerneld, browserd and terminald

>>59733414
you can joke all you want, but you can't deny that systemd is the best thing that's happened to desktop linux since the 2000's

>>59730187

It's (theoretical) removable.
At least if you don't need all those software that already has it as dependency.


>>59733414

That will happen.
Give it a few more years and we can call it SystemD/GNU/Linux (or SystemD+GNU+Linux).

It literally grows like a cancer.


>>59733729

>>>/b/

>>59730553

holy shit.