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Can there just be a single politics general containment thread? I'm getting tired of hiding this shit.

/gpg/ - Tech in Politics General

They've literally always been able to.

excuse me, i'm expecting some "thank you's"

because /g/ has been shivering in fear and panic for weeks about this. and Trump just saved you.Trump is your savior. Trump is your hero, and your commander in chief.

>>59727308
A GOD

Um hes allowing isps to sell our data and were supposed to apologize?

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>>59727570

sorry OP here i saw this on pol and i thought trump was doing the opposite of what he's actually doing so i came to troll you.

you fucking faggots don't want to catch pedos and terrorists? what the fuck is wrong with you? get with the program and get on the trump train.

>>59727591
Go drink bleach or something.

>>59727591
>Implying this is for the sake of national security and that crime can be stopped by looking at someone's browsing history

America. Lol

>>59727591
You need to be less obvious with your bait bro

you cucks voted for him, you get the aftermath

never trust a Republican with something they don't understand

>>59727618
This is literally all just meaningless WAH TRUMP conjecture, ISPs have been selling data for years and these current rules haven't even been in place half a year. Nothing is changed.

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>>59727308
Did your mother have any children that were not born retarded?

>>59727639
they have been fucking you behind your back, but now they tell it to your face

>>59727613

he's the only one that gives a fuck about protecting the US lately. and yeah, you can stop crime by databasing peoples internet activity and looking for various patterns.


>>59727620

if this was bait, would i be fucking TELLING you it's bait? jesus christ.

>>59727651

yes, fucking nine of them. i'm not retarded.

>>59727673
dude, fuck off with that stupid "get rid of privacy for the sake of national security" bullshit

you probably think weed is a dangerous drug too

>>59727372
This

>say theyve always been able to sell data before and after the bill and the media is blowing this way out of proportion
>"fuck off republishit"
>say theyve always been able to sell data even and Trump repealing it still doesn't stop it from happening
>"okay aging liberal hippie douche, no one cares"
REEEEE
>>59727357
>I don't want to hear news if it involves someone I don't like
Get a grip.

>>59727706
>weed
muh cartels

>>59727308
The NSA already does this with or without your previous privacy rules.

>>59727706

all drugs are dangerous. a few people can handle drugs. most can't. so in order to improve the quality of the population we prohibit from them things that could have a demoralizing influence. honestly, we need to ban pornography as well.

do you seriously believe that there is something to fear if there's nothing to hide? the time will come that you will be known to the finest point of character, as if god himself could look into your heart.

>>59727591
>>59727673
>This guy goes to a site known to hate jews and israel, add him to the special list of suspected terrorists

>>59727796
spoken like a true cuckservative

>>59727444
It says trump sold our data

>>59727822
He admitted he's trolling and he's really shitty at it.

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>>59727840

not an argument.

>>59727836

it was never 'your' data.

>>59727822
>>59727818

>>goes to the most active site on the internet with 50 million uniques per month

i'm confident that an index of my 4chan posting will vindicate me as a loyal citizen.

>>59727886
Your jewish owners disagree, a good citizen loves israel and wants to increase reparations for the 60 million killed by evil aryans like you.

>>59727925
OY VEY

this country is a joke

>>59727308
thank you based orange man

>>59727939
That's what your jew elite owners want. If you disagree, I'm sure you'll be fine with a sudden addition to the no fly list.

>>59727925

>he fell for the jewish owners meme

it is we who own the jews.

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>>59727984

This.

Rothschild monkeys!

>>59727618
Which country?

>>59728012
who are these men, can I get a quick rundown?

>>59727570
read it again faggot

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>>59728027

>>59728048
thats literally what it says, you asshat

>>59728073
oh shit

>>59727357
I'm sorry, is there not enough videocard and Ryzen-sucks threads for you?

>>59727308
op is retarded and cannot read

abandon thread

>>59727796
>all drugs are dangerous.

Everything is dangerous in too high excess, even fucking water. You need to know the proper dosage, be vary of not getting addicted, and make sure you use the right product (ie. not something that was tempered to be more lethal/addictive). As long as you follow those three rules, no drug is dangerous.

The problem here is that since they are banned, the only way to get them is from questionable sources. And because of that you'll never know its exact composition, nor the proper dosage, leading to addiction at best, fatalities at worst.

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>>59728048

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>>59728193
>weed
>addiction
>fatalities

>>59727308
>lying press in charge of fearmongering

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>>59728193

we have too many people to deal with the people who have problems with drugs as individuals, so it has to be banned across the board. you want a society with more trust and freedom? get rid of non-whites.

and i disagree strongly with the technical points about drug quality. that really has nothing to do with people getting addicted or not. they're either addictive individuals or they're not. dosage isn't going to alter that, even taking E pills which have meth in them instead of just MDMA or MDA isn't going to make a difference. some people can take drugs recreationally, have a great time, and give it not another thought. they don't crave to repeat.

i mean yeah, fentanyl fatalities and shit happen. but who gives a fuck desu.

now excuse me, i have to soak several cotton rods from benzedrex inhalers in gatorade to get the propylhexadrine out. god i wish i could just buy adderall at the drug store.

We all know it was a Canadian that made this post. Can't japanese moot ban the whole country?

>>59728324
Why can't trump just carpet bomb all of canada, nobody important lives there.

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>>59727796
This is obvious bait but congrats on your entry into the Guinness Book of Fucking Autists

Is /g/ full of Macbook using dipshits?

This law never went into effect and would have been easily circumvented with a ToS agreement you would never read, meaning nothing would have changed. ISPs have been selling your ANONYMOUS data ever since the internet was created.

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>>59727796
You know youre posting on a website dedicated to hacking into little girls' and celebrities' snapchat accounts, right? The one founded by the famoush 4chan hacker? You probably didnt know that the deaded Gamergate comes from here, too. Some very influential people went to the UN to warn us of these "people", if you can even call them that.
Im sure you dont know this either, but there is a certain sub-chan here, called "Pole", where actual neo-nazis discuss the hunting of jews. Their symbol is an actual nazi-cross. Scary.

You've probably been on several "keep an eye on" lists since you started posting here, cunt.

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>>59728617

this is the normiest post i've seen all day. i wish i had some kind of award for you.

>>59727372
Except that the "ability to do so" would have expired this year until the Trunp/Republicans repealed the directive that forced the expiration.

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>>59727673
You can have invasive as hell searches and seizures, but shit slips through the cracks--it always slips through the cracks. People just get smarter and eventually beat the system. You can't protect everybody, so create something so invasive.

Not to mention, companies haven't exactly been very diligent with people's information--they get hacked all the fuck time, so now you're whole life is at the whim of a company's lackluster security.

>>59728683
And then they would just add it to their ToS.

You really think this shit would have changed anything? This is just politics and you're a unwitting pawn in it.

>>59728699

the world isn't perfect. complicated times we live in.

>>59727706
not dangerous, but used by fucking losers for sure

>>59727636
It was the lesser of two cucks

Donald Drumpf is sure is a retard as well as his drumpfkins

>>59727667
Id rather have someone be up front rather than lie to me

Fuck drumpf desu

>>59727796
God tier bait, Anon. Seriously, it's rare to see such a perfectly crafted post
nowadays, especially in an age when blatant shitposts always get overwhelming response, so there's less incentive to put such effort into the craftsmanship. Glad to see the art isn't dead.

>>59728873
To be fair porn is genuinely bad for your brain and your dick long term

>>59728961
Only 3DPD porn is bad, 2D is good for you.

For people that actually want to talk about the topic at hand:

The bill was a government regulation that prevented ISP's from doing the same business that companies like Google and Facebook already do. ISP's didn't like the fact that they could collect browsing data but do nothing with it, while Zuck and Google mine the fuck out of everyone's data and sell it to whoever will pay for it. Google's is able to skirt the regulation even though Google serves an ISP role in several cities. The ISP side of the business isn't legally allowed to do it but they just don't give a shit because they're big enough to have many other business lines where they *can* legally get the data.

So now Comcast and Time/Warner/Spectrum/whatever they are now are allowed to sell your info too.

>>59728994
people choose to use Google

your ISP is usually not an option for rural and suburban retards.

>>59727639
Not only haven't they been in place half a year, they've NEVER been in place. The rule change half a year ago wasn't supposed to go into effect for another 6 months from today. They repealed a rule that literally had never been in effect.

It's common practice for an outgoing administration to adopt a bunch of rules and laws that are impractical just so the incoming administration looks bad when they repeal them, which is exactly what we have here.

>>59728994
>now

Nothing changed. This is just political bullshit where low info and low IQ Redditors can scream about how Drumpf is killing the internet despite the law doing jack shit and not even coming into effect yet.

>>59728709
...you can't add something illegal to your ToS to circumvent the law. Especially when you'd be considered a utility and there'd be a mountain of protections against such a thing.

>>59729031
Wrong.

>>59728961
Former porn user here, I can attest that online pornography was a very negative influence in my life. Granted, getting rid of pornography isn't going to make your life great automatically, but I do have a girlfriend now whereas before I never had a girlfriend and was hooked on porn

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>>59729041
Provide proof.

>>59727706
>weed

It depends on who uses it, though. But you're a fucking retard if you think it's harmless.

>>59727308
>Buy trumps internet history.
>Publish his ladyboy fetish.
>Privacy returns to the people.

>ITT: Shills believing that the state will protect them from the state

>>59729086

>implying trump has ever even fucking SEEN porn in his life

probably not

>>59728994
That's an interesting perspective to take on the topic, but do you think it's a fair comparison? An ISP and a website are two very different services (excluding your example of Google as an ISP, which is an entirely valid point). ISP's are already paid a lot of money by their customers, so wouldn't it be reasonable that a part of that service should include data privacy?
I figured it was generally acceptable that Google and Facebook make their money from selling information because they're "free" services that people volunteer to use. An ISP is something people need in order to access any websites, data peddling or otherwise.

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>>59729031
Too bad the internet shouldn't be considered a utility

>>59729080
>The FCC regulations would have required broadband companies to get permission from their customers in order to use their “sensitive” data — including browsing history, geolocation and financial and medical information — to create targeted advertisements.

Which would be achieved via Terms of Service.

We're done here.

>>59729080
>President Trump signed a bill on Monday repealing internet privacy rules passed last year by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) that would have given internet users greater control over what service providers can do with their data, a White House spokeswoman confirmed.

>The FCC regulations would have required broadband companies to get permission from their customers in order to use their “sensitive” data — including browsing history, geolocation and financial and medical information — to create targeted advertisements.

All they do is add it to their ToS that you give them permission to use your shit and ta da it's like it was before the FCC regulation. It's literally nothing.

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>>59728739
>I'll call him drumpf because I don't want anyone to know I'm hooked on porn and can't leave it behind

>>59727308
Thanks to this, my brother will not be able to come here when he graduates university like I did.

May Allah strike him down.

>>59729009
Yeah other than the fact that Google runs the OS on most of the worlds smartphones. Sure you can use Apple, but what are your other options if you don't want to pay the Steve Jobs tax for your phone?

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>>59729165
There are plenty of other OS for the same device

>>59729190
>getting mad over "Drumpf"

Do you need a safe space?

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>>59729149
Yeah, They would have just added it in their ToS and refused to provide you service unless you agreed

>>59729200
?

>>59729190
>combining SJW and Democrat opinions

>>59729219
What's the difference at this point?

>>59728961
Agreed. That's what makes the bait so effective. The best way to lure people is to casually juxtaposistion one or two relatively agreeable/true statements alongside something completely outrageous and incendiary. Anyone can post a bunch of offensive bullshit, and anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together will instantly just write the whole post off. The best bait is posts where you can't say with certainty whether or not they're being serious or not.

>>59729105
How do you know?

>>59729225
haha good juan
upbote
keep em classy /r/t_d

>>59729211
Not mad at all (too busy making America great again! Not really, but whatever), just pointing out hypocrisy.

>>59729216

beefy. cheesy. glory hallelujah.

>>59729235
You're a passive aggressive little cunt, you know that?

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>>59729245
>he's a communist
Okay Karl.

>>59729246
Everybody is a passive-agressive cunt now. Welcome to the 2017.

>>59729108
Oh I'm 100% behind "Government and big business GIT OUT" when it comes to data privacy, but the problem is that you can't put the mushroom cloud back into the metal container. There are companies whose entire business model revolves around collecting information on as many people as possible and selling that info to the highest bidder. Started back in the late 90's with Acxiom, then came the search engine wars and Google saw the value in doing it too. This stuff has been going on a really long time. Hell the original design of the internet intended that everyone have a publicly routable IP address and that all systems could talk with one another. Privacy was an afterthought.

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>>59729234

i'd put money on it. where the fuck would he have seen it? he's never not getting laid. he's had models and strippers on his dick since his bar mitzvah. he's never had a single beer or single cigarette. he probably thinks anyone that looks at porn is a poorfag piece of shit, because why not just go to a strip club and get a lap dance, or get an exotic escort/hooker?

>>59729256

did you just call me a communist?

>>59729148
>>59729149
>>59729216
That would still requires the companies to actually announce it instead of doing it behind the consumers backs without telling them, which is an improvement. It would also make it easier to convince people to increase their security because you could point to evidence of their specific ISP selling their data. Do you have any actual reasons for opposing the FCC's new rules other than that Trump and the Republicans oppose them?

>>59729205
Be that as it may, how many normies will install a non-Android based OS on their phone? I know I'm posting on /g/ here where compiling gentoo is a normal friday afternoon, but think in terms of the general public. I do a lot of traveling for my job and know of precisely nobody that has a smartphone running something other than an Android based phone, iOS, or a blackberry if they work in a secure environment.

>>59729276
>moving goalposts

No, we're done.

>>59729276
>That would still requires the companies to actually announce it instead of doing it behind the consumers backs without telling them, which is an improvement
I don't think you get it. Before they needed to ask for your permission to sell you data, now they don't have to.

>>59729344

jesus fucking christ. 'muh fallacy' bullshit is the worst cancer i've ever fucking seen on the internet. i rue the fucking day that people discovered 'logical fallacies'. they can't fucking be trusted with this knowledge and they've become completely insufferable.

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>>59729268
Yes I did anon, it's my freedom to do so.

Try and stop me.

>>59727308
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING JOBS FIRST!

Regulation is bad, mkay? Letting monopolies have free rein is best for everybody.

If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about.

>>59729366
>see some take a position
>try to argue back to them as if they had taken the opposite of their position
What did he mean by this?

>>59729367
Ah, you should have called him out for the fallacy fallacy.

>>59729382
You're too late

>>59727796
>>59727673
>>59727591

>>59727308

one day all the boards are going to get tired of /pol/'s shit

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>>59729369

you're going to the fucking gulags if you call me a communist one more time.

>>59729388

i'd rather not discussions on the internet become some faggy formal debate where all we do is kvetch and practice the contemptible arts of disputation and rhetoric. it's so. fucking. cancerous.

>>59729367
>I lost the argument, why didn't you give me a do over you asshole?

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>>59729401
What, goombas like you can't be commies? I think not, you pink bellied socialist! You're as commie as they come!

>>59729401
>arts of disputation and rhetoric

0/10 too obvious

>>59727308
now lets see if they pay attention to one of the biggest actual offenders to privacy, the banks.

Hint: no one will, not the dumb left or the dumb right, because this was all this was, selective outrage, same with the fucking ban travel bullshit.

I want to say fuck off with politics but with how obvious to shit /g/ has gone (hardware threads and programming threads specially), I would of love for you motherfuckers to get run over by /v/ /a/ or any of these fuckers.

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>>59729415

>"losing" arguments

this right here. everones a fucking keyboard warrior who gleefully chalks themselves up another victory while someone across the internet chalks themselves up another victory.

the concept of "winning" an argument is fucking cancerous. i don't see a fucking scoreboard. i don't see a referee. there's no such fucking thing. there's no some business deal or negotiation. you didn't get 15% royalties instead of 10% royalties because we argued. i didn't let you get the last tendy because we argued. the very concept of 'winning' arguments is a plague on the internet.

just fucking say your piece and stop trying to convince other people that you're convinced that they're convinced that you've 'won' because you think that your disagreement is the best disagreement. i already fucking know that you think you're right.

>>59729434

you know what? i'm going to fucking kill myself if you call me a commie. yeah, that's right. i'm gonna kill myself. i'm sorry for being a bad friend.

>>59729459
>programming threads specially
I'm with you on the consumerist bullshit but yeah, no. Programming threads might at least be useful to some users on the board.

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>>59729401
commie!

>>59729459
>same with the fucking ban travel bullshit.
The travel ban blowback was ridiculous.

>It's a muslim ban!!!!
It doesn't even include the most muslim countries in the middle east
>See, he can't even do a muslim ban right!!!!
Then I guess it's not really a muslim ban?
>No, it is a muslim ban!!!!!

Jesus. C O G N I T I V E D I S S O N A N C E.

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Bunch of children ITT

>>59729476
Holy fuck dude, you're anonymous. Stop acting like I raped you.

>>59729476
Not sure if angry or bait.

>>59729200
>The South is all of the United States

>>59729476
>throws a hissy fit because he lost the argument

>>59729489
Glad that we agree that a ban on everything except BB guns isn't in any way a gun ban.

>>59729344
That was my first post in the thread, and asking other why they hold their views after providing the reason I hold my views is not moving the goal posts. I will take your post as saying you don't actually have a reason and are just basing your views on (R)s and (D)s and being a waste of space.

>>59729551
Your analogy doesn't work, anon.

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>>59729524

>baiting me by trying to make me think that you think that i think you "beat me in an argument"

response: i clarify that i don't think you think you won

>>59729505

>"i think you're angry, or don't believe what you're saying"

response: i am not angry and do believe what i'm saying

>>59729504

>attempting to make me think that you think that i think you raped me

response: i don't think you think i think you raped me

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED

>>59729481

goodbye cruel world

>>59729561
Because this inactive law totally changed the internet. Fuck off idiot.

>>59729610
That's not an argument.

>>59729622

why does it have to be, you cretin? i don't see a fucking podium.

>>59729622
Please provide an argument then. Explain to me why Drumpf is a doodyhead for repealing this.

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>>59729622
Speculating on what it may have done isn't an argument either.

>>59729476
>the concept of "winning" an argument is fucking cancerous...there's no such fucking thing
Only a total fucking loser believes this. You're too far behind to even realize you're in a race.

>>59729662

your idea of 'winning' is one without any basis in objective reality, or requiring anything more than your emotional consent.

'i feel like a winner, so i am one' is what your harping on this boils down to. it's special snowflake faggotry you learned in polluted elementary schools.

>>59728709
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>>59729149
Must suck to be American

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>>59729700
It's pretty comfy, tbqh senpai.

>>59729646
What I stated was directly based off what anons opposing the new rules said would happen. Are you saying that the claims by those anons opposed to the FCC's new rules are based on speculation and that the FCC's proposed rules would have actually been effective in their original intent?

>>59728193
Not to mention refined sugars have a higher addiction profile than Class I narcotics.

>>59729149
>>59729148
The regulations would've demanded that companies allow consumers to opt-in to this collection/disclosure cycle in a meaningful way, instead of just putting into their TOS as a soft opt-in. That would be the worst case scenario if things would've gone forward with that single bit of regulation.

>>59729721

that's true though, and people shouldn't be allowed to eat what they want. not until public schools are 50% physical training.

>>59729724
>opt in

You can't use a service without signing the TOS.

>>59729767
A lot of services you don't need to sign shit. Just by using the service you're agreeing to the TOS.

>>59729712
You left out the blacks, spics, muslims, and self-loathing white sjws

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>>59729712
>america is great
>french cognac

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>>59729878
A line of cognac that started in 1776. Back when France was America's first and best ally.

>>59727308
fuck I read this as he was repealing the repeal of the house for a second I thought "based drumpf"

>>59729932
>extending the long slimy tendrils of the government
>based
Libtard

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but if government gets abolished doesn't that mean that whoever is the second most powerful entity after the government becomes de facto the new government?

>>59730047
Yes

>>59730072
Except that now since they're not a government but a private entity, they don't actually have to give you rights or a constituation or any of that stuff and can basically do whatever they want?

>>59727308
Fake news.

>>59727308
Can't wait to see leddit's reaction on this.

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THIS ISN'T WHAT I WANTED

THIS ISN'T WHAT I SPENT MONTHS SHITPOSTING FOR

WHY DONNY

>>59727796
>all drugs are dangerous

Gotta watch out for those Tylonol addicts

>>59727444
>everyone is americaobese here

>>59730198

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/03/26/acetaminophen-overdose.aspx

Acetaminophen overdose is actually the leading cause for calls to Poison Control Centers across the US—more than 100,000 instances per year—and, each year, is responsible for: More than 56,000 emergency room visits. 2,600 hospitalizations. An estimated 458 deaths due to acute liver failure yearly.

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>>59730179
Ebin post

>>59729998
>Being against the regulation of direct negative externalities of oligopolies
Retard

>>59730406
Facebook can get what you do on Facebook, and other sites with Facebook integration. Also, Facebook isn't a "net provider."
Your ISP gets fucking everything.

>>59730406
>what Obama did was give that right to certain companies and ban others from doing the same
No, what he did was ban the companies that he was within his power to ban from doing so. Those companies also happen to be the ones you can't easily opt out of or replace with another company due to local monopolies.

>>59730440
What about (((google)))

>>59730460
>local monopolies

so why didn't king obama do something about that

>>59730464
I don't give Google my data. Only service from them that I use is their noscript captcha, which can do next to nothing tracking wise as it only gives them X IP filled out Y site's captcha and them knowing X IP is meaningless if they can't correlate any other data to X IP because X IP doesn't use any other of their services.

>>59730513
What the hell do you expect him to do? Nationalize all ISPs' infrastructure and then rent it back out to them in order to enable competition, followed by decorating the White House with hammers and sickles? If you have a viable way of getting rid of local monopolies then please post it.

>>59730559
>muh gomuniism1!!

Sigh

>>59730714
How else do you think people would react if the federal government under Obama seized the infrastructure of various ISPs? I guarantee that's what people would say and we'd never hear the end of it.

>>59730748
bush set the precedent with the patriot act

>>59727308

Ok, which major buddy of his convinced him to go back on his ideas?

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>>59730787
>Trump: We're gonna get rid of regulations
>Trump gets rid of a regulation
>WOW TRUMP WENT BACK ON HIS WORD

>>59730764
Clinton set the precedent with the anti-terrorism shit he did

Face it, there's no precedent, just an ever increasing escalation of governmental powers that is justified every time with 'the last guy did it first'.

>>59730559
>If you have a viable way of getting rid of local monopolies then please post it.
Remove the regulation that causes local monopolies.
Pretty simple.

And stop corporations from even TOUCHING regulation. At the moment they just get lawyers to write it and pay politicians to sign it.
Firing squads for CEOs that have any tendrils in government. IF CEOs want influence with the government, they should go to the ballot box like everyone else.

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>>59727886
it was data generated by me, storing it on your server doesn't grant you ownership

fuck off shill

>>59727673
nice reddit formatting faggot

you need to go back to T_D

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>>59730871
>Remove the regulation that causes local monopolies.
Do you even understand how this shit works? Not everything can be blamed on government regulation.

>>59727372
That's why the rule was made.

>>59727673
What do we need protecting from? Every one of us, apart from the left that I want to leave behind, is armed and willing to shoot terrorists. The fuck is gonna fuck with us if even the citizens are half as armed as the military?

How much of a cuck are you?

>>59730928
The ISP monopoly can though.
You're projecting that I'm some batshit libertarian who wants to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
No I just want to throw out the lumps of shit that the corporations keep putting in the water.

>>59727308
I wonder how much garbage has trump to stop his circlejerk here. My wild guess would be to ban anime and or porn if the former won't be enough.

>>59730813

Nice fallacy there /pol/. So your god did sign against a fresh approval in line with his viewpoints. How do you explain it?
Actually, no, you don't need. I know what you'll say.

>It was Obama's idea

>>59730109
You also don't have to give them any money, either.
So long as you don't need food, housing, clothing, security, or any of that.

>>59731005
>The ISP monopoly can though.
So what regulations do you suggest removing to do so, since you know it's government regulations that cause this problem?

>>59727636
I didn't. I'm not even an americlap. You know what's funny, though? You guys would be fucked no matter who you elected. All this shit happening with your government is just the cultural reflection of a population brainwashed by decades of consumerist propaganda and fear mongering media.
This is the beauty of democracy. You get what you deserve.

>>59731016
I don't even know what the fuck you're saying

>>59727673
>trying this hard

>>59731031
The local ones that make ISPs near impossible to start up. Don't you find it weird how the only new ISP recently was fucking google?
And even then they had massive problems trying to get their shit running, with essentially infinite money to back their efforts.

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>>59730873

it's ironic that people who commit digital piracy complain about the privacy of their data. after all, the corporations aren't stealing your data. you still have it. they just copied it.

secondly, it's not 'your' data. you didn't generate it. the collector of the data did. if you had databases on servers storing data, yes, that would be your data. the recording of your actions is the generation of your data, since, of course, you did not act in order to create data, nor under contract as data-producer.

unless otherwise stated, of course, storing information on your server does in fact grant you ownership. after all, do you not own the information you store on YOUR server? - noticeably none of which is the data we're speaking of.

>>59730886

in the last month i've had people start saying this to me. i've never had a reddit account and have only rarely visited it while troubleshooting or looking for some lists or something.

i still don't quite understand what 'reddit formatting' even is. i gather it's when you press enter twice to start a new paragraph? that's done to separate thoughts, and increase readability. i'm pretty sure that these people consider ANY formatting to be 'reddit formatting'.

oh well.

>>59730985

you need to be protected from yourself, anon.

>>59731052

it was easy but thanks for commending effort.

>>59728062
>Control France with an iron fist

WRONG! How dare a peasant, such as yourself, slander the Bogdanoff's reputation with such falsehoods?

It should be "Control France with an iron, but fair fist."

>>59731064
>you need to be protected from yourself, anon.
Well I do want to kill myself, so you got me there.

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>>59731016
>being this autistic

>>59731064
>secondly, it's not 'your' pictures. you didn't generate them. the collector of the pictures did. if you had folders on servers storing your nudes, yes, that would be your pictures. the recording of you in the shower is the generation of your nudes, since, of course, you did not act in order to create these nudes, nor under contract as photo model.

>>59731063
And which local regulations would those be? The ones that limit how many companies can constantly be tearing up ground to lay more fiber? Do you want company after company constantly tearing up parts of your yard so that they can run fiber to their customers?

>>59730440
If it works against kikebook, then it is a Good Thing.

>>59731116
fuck yards

>>59731116
I'm not an expert. I'd like instead for you to point out why in countries other than america ISPs aren't monopolies. The only difference being... government.

>Do you want company after company constantly tearing up parts of your yard so that they can run fiber to their customers?
Yes!

>>59731083

our enemies are not men with guns, anon, our enemy is a spiritual disease, and the question of our survival or extinction will be answered by whether or not we're able to formulate strategies by which our society can be healed of our spiritual disease. We are truly lost, as a culture and society. only time will tell if good or evil prevails in our collective hearts and minds.

to this end i propose firstly that if we retain the institution of public schools, fully half of the effort and resources of k-12 education will be devoted to physical training, exercise, and martial arts. students will be tested in martial arts to pass onto the next grade, and they will be graded on technical progress, bravery, and resilience. A continual athletic progression will be required in order to move up the grades and achieve a High school diploma.

The result will be a generation where every 18 year old graduating is at the peak, the maximum of physical strength, health, and beauty, as well as having over a decade of training in hand to hand combat, rendering them fearless and dangerous if threatened.

>>59731112

am i mistaken, or is there actually a difference between using the world wide web, and showering in your private bathroom?

>>59731064
And just because I wanted to make a witty suicide joke I forgot to read what idiocy you posted.

>do you not own the information you store on YOUR server? - noticeably none of which is the data we're speaking of.
No, you don't. If you own a server and you pirate a piece of IP, YOU DO NOT OWN THAT! You don't know much about intellectual property if you are asking this question. I suggest you look up some copyright laws.

>>59731129
>Do you want company after company constantly tearing up parts of your yard so that they can run fiber to their customers?
Yes, anything to push the free market forward.

>>59731129
>I'd like instead for you to point out why in countries other than america ISPs aren't monopolies. The only difference being... government.
You mean all those European countries that have more government regulations instead of your suggestion of having less?

ITT: /pol/tards reveal their true levels of retardation and failure to read and comprehend.

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>>59731159
>he's a leftie

>>59731159
>implying you're not the one incapable of reading

FACT: The law wasn't even in effect yet
FACT: The law would not have stopped ISPs from selling your data
FACT: The law is easily circumvented via ToS agreements

>>59731174
Nah, I can read though.

>>59731177
>Shitty damage control over drumpf selling you out

>>59731148
Neither are anyone else's business. And quite frankly, what sites I visit has more private information than a picture of my dick.
What about calls? Would you mind if your provider recorded them to sell them to google or another data miner?

>>59731153

yeah. 'look up copyright laws'. i'll get right on that.

if you don't think that the 1s n 0s on your hardware is your property, i think we've exhausted the usefulness of the terms 'property' or 'ownership' here because they've become too vague and abstract.

>>59731182
>drumpf

Overplayed your hand, now you look like an even bigger retard.

>>59731177
>via ToS agreements
It's like these idiots fail to realize the ISPs could just refuse to provide you with service if you don't opt in, something most people wouldn't be able to fight since there's possibly only 1-3 possible ISPs in most of america.

>>59731182
>says drumpf
>isn't a leftie
I even saw that coming. You libtards are so easy to predict at this point, you're worse than the Jews.

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>>59731177
>resorting to posting copypasta damage control talking points instead of saying why removing the regulations is a good thing

>>59731177
>ToS agreements are above the law
Wow, if that's true, America is a real shitplace. If something's banned, ToS can't circumvent the ban.

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>>59731205
The regulation did nothing, though.

In the end your anonymous data is still sold to advertisers. Why are you in favor of useless regulations?

>>59731210
No, the law says "without permission". Signing a ToS agreement gives permission and the ISP is not obliged to give you internet, so YOU as a consumer do not have a choice in the matter.

>>59731205
>why removing the regulations is a good thing
It's pretty obvious why
Barriers to entry is probably the first one that comes to mind

so can we pressure AT&T to sell the data of /pol/ users to Russia, tell them they've won a fantastic prize, send them there, and then enact a ban after the inevitable war starts? is this his endgame all along?

>>59727308
>is trump supporter
>can't read/comprehend texts

figures.

>>59731210
>ignoring the fact that companies would just collude to get you to opt-in
It's like you are absolutely oblivious to business in america

>>59731227
>it wasn't a false flag operation
Cool story bro

>>59731237

Just call it a "diversion" and quit kidding yourself, Mr. Wordsmith.

>>59731230
Maybe I am. Consumer protection is a big thing in the European Union.

>>59731221
>Signing a ToS agreement gives permission and the ISP is not obliged to give you internet, so YOU as a consumer do not have a choice in the matter.
That would still requires the companies to actually announce it instead of doing it behind the consumers backs without telling them, which is an improvement. It would also make it easier to convince people to increase their security because you could point to evidence of their specific ISP selling their data. Now do you have any actual reasons why the FCC's privacy rules were a bad thing instead of just incredibly vague claims?

>>59731224
>Barriers to entry is probably the first one that comes to mind
In what way? By saying they can't fuck their customers without the customer's permission?

>>59727308
NO THIS IS BAD THING YOU IGNORANT TWAT LEARN TO FUCKING READ YOU MORON, the rule was to prevent them from selling and collect data, now they can do that legally you stupid fuck

>>59731251
>That would still requires the companies to actually announce it instead of doing it behind the consumers backs without telling them, which is an improvement.
How is it an improvement? Everyone knows they do it and you can't opt out. Nobody ever reads TOS agreements anyway.

>It would also make it easier to convince people to increase their security
Are you fucking retarded? ISPs know everything you do in regards of the internet, there is no special program or device to mask your activity.

Just admit you're looking for things to be mad about because Trump is involved.

>this sociopathic billionaire will somehow save le average joe sixpack from creeping plutocracy
>literally appoints heads of corporation to all major cabinet positions and has done a better job of sucking corporate dick than literally any other American president

lmao murkans

>>59731116
fucking yes

fibers are c i v i l i z a t i o n

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>>59731251
>In what way? By saying they can't fuck their customers without the customer's permission?
>he doesn't realize the amount of time, manpower, and money it takes to inform every single customer you have as to the collection of data, why it occurs, and whether or not to opt-in.

>>59731253
>the rule was to prevent them from selling and collect data without permission

Fixed. Stop being stupid.

>>59731284
>thinks the private sector candidate wasn't going to be pro-private sector.

Did you confuse Trump with Bernie or something? How retarded are you?

>>59731284
You are either a third world country or being invaded by niggers/muslims

>>59727308
>trumpcucks lack basic reading comprehension
lyl

>>59731308
>mom I posted it again

>>59731253
Inbred redneck fucktards believe that everything that comes out of the Drumpf's gold-plated ass is diamonds.

>>59731308
>note to self, say stupid shit while acting like I'm part of a group
>reap the sweet sweet (You)s

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>>59731315
>people didn't vote Trump in just to see Hypocrites get BTFO
HWNDU r-right brother?

>>59731308
Just like their cheeto messiah LMAO

>>59731326
>lmao
>l
>m
>a
>o
Why are you even here?

>>59731303
i'm not a dumbfuck /pol/ack so no, i wasn't confused.

>>59731324
Enjoy lying on your deathbed starving, you poor retarded blue-collar moron who's gonna lose his food stamps and healthcare after Drumpf passes his second attempt bill and cuts even more welfare for working-class shot stains in order to please his billionaire buddies.

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>>59731315
Acts against personal interest because it came for their emperor god

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>>59731272
>How is it an improvement? Everyone knows they do it and you can't opt out.
Because it lets people know for sure that their ISP is spying on them and adjust their threat model accordingly instead of having to base their threat model on assumptions.

>Nobody ever reads TOS agreements anyway.
It's not my fault you're a stupid nigger who can't read.

>ISPs know everything you do in regards of the internet, there is no special program or device to mask your activity.
>what are Tor, VPNs, I2P, Freenet, and other privacy tools
Please leave and actually learn about what you're talking about before posting here. Only thing you're managing to do is convince everyone here that you have no clue what you're talking about.

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>implying this hasn't been happening behind closed doors already regardless of some stupid law

I'm just happy he's deporting these fucking spics and sandniggers.
Privacy is hardly my biggest concern anyways since we have tools that let us sidestep those conspiracies.

>>59731338
>sucking Oompa Loompa cheeto flavored cock on /g/ and getting mad for being called out

I seriously hope we are being raided by /pol/ again. Fuck off back to your echo-chamber shithole.

>>59731368
>we have tools that let us sidestep those conspiracies.
I have bad news for you my friend, do NOT think that they only way for them to track you is via your computer or your phone.

>>59731365
ISPs already sell anonymous data to advertisers.

None of those things stop your ISP from seeing your activity.

You are too stupid to live. Do not reply to me again.

So literally you're crying because:
>the law that protected google and Facebook bussiness is now over and now the ISP can do the same
Do you really are crying because Google and Kikebook lost their exclusivity to American data?

>>59731368
>DURR IF RAPING IS ILLEGAL BUT PEOPLE STILL DO THIS WHY DONT LEGALIZE IT WHILE WE'RE AT IT

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>>59731387
Alright then big man, humor me.

How do I remove the brother's nano-bots from my body?

>>59731358
>you won't be dying as well

>>59731396
kill yourself, cumcast/cox/verishit shilling faggot drumpftard

>>59731427
>drumpftard
>when they get btfo, they resort to namecalling

So does it mean I can use VPN from Murrifat again?

>>59731436
How is all that corporate semen taste in your mouth?

>>59731391
>None of those things stop your ISP from seeing your activity.
>browse normally
>ISP knows what sites you go to and when, and in the event of going to a site that doesn't support SSL they know everything that went on during your session
>use any of the privacy tools listed
>ISP only knows that you use those privacy tools and what hours you're online
Wow, those sure don't help at all.

>>59731358
"All these things I said about you I mean about myself" the post

>>59731448
>ISP knows that you use those privacy tools

What do you have to hide, Mr.White Supremacist?

>>59731458
>get other people concerned about their privacy as well
>more people start using those privacy tools as well
>attempting to profile people who use those privacy tools is now worthless
Wow, those privacy tools sure aren't effective at all against corporate datamining.

>>59731452
Stay jealous, inbred hillbilly plumpfcuck. I can always afford my premium.

>>59731487
Everyone will forget this shit in a week. Normies can't be assed to use VPNs.

>>59731427
But it's true. That doesn't mean that is bad or good.
You literally are crying because a natural monopoly (because infraestructura) can do the same that Google and Facebook can do?
You literally are shooting in the foot. Yes, it's bad, but also is bad that only Google and Kikebook can shill the government.
You can't defend the anterior law without defending kikebook or jewgle.

>>59731508
Except you don't need every average Joe to be using those privacy tools to accomplish what I stated. Simply having a significant portion of people who have a bit of an interest in technology would be enough.

>>59731528
You are vastly overestimating the normie.

>>59731514
The idea that it's up to you whether you gonna use Google and Facebook services or not, but have no otheir choice when it comes to the ISP never made it through your thick skull, drumpflet?

inb4 muh Canadian dish copeout

>>59731514
>You literally are crying because a natural monopoly (because infraestructura) can do the same that Google and Facebook can do?
You can opt out of Google/Facebook, as people have already stated in this thread. Why are you defending companies that want to fuck you?

>You can't defend the anterior law without defending kikebook or jewgle.
How do you come to that conclusion? Websites like Google/Facebook don't fall under the FCC's jurisdiction.

>>59731514
+15 rubles ivan

Damn, crazy that people on are are actually defending this, so many newfags leaking from pol, gonna report the shit outta this off topic garbage lol

Remind me when someone put this into place?
I was pretty fucking sure this is always how it's been anyway so why should I care?
I still do what I always have been doing since Snowden, generate hundreds of terabytes of mangled data out of files, headers, and known cracked encrypted files, and send it all around from VPS to VPS to my actual servers, and throw up a frontend webserver on each server that simply displays a rapidly scrolling bitmap of the raw data, along with a small textbox below it that allows you to enter "Address, message, key, and time" and will at some point inject this into the stream, with no known way to decrypt. Available via tor, by the way, for maximum fuckery.
I hope to god someone tries to store this, because the raw metadata alone would fill up countless drives per day.
Can't just ignore it all, what if terrorists are using it to plan attacks, or it's actually just streaming tones of CP? What if the textbox allows for any length input, and you can just paste in the base64 of CP? Leaked government docs? What if foreign governments are using this to chat, like a numbers station? What if that's what it is?
Guess you need to store it all then.
So now ISP's can store shit.
Watch me care.

>>59731576
Join me on my crusade to impeach the orange Drumpflord.

>>59731407
That's a poor analogy
Make a better one you dumb shitposter

>>59731559
>>59731554
>>59731557
Then is more aceptable only because we supposedly can "opt out" google and jewbook?
Hint: Even if you aren't using their services they can somewhat track you via indirect media. Supermarkets do that all the time.
You aren't defending the correct legislation, shitlib, you're literally defending the jewgle monopoly.
A good measure will be infraestructural inversion to get more ISP to compete, promote small ISP in various areas, etc. Defending Kikebook by proxy isn't the correct solution and you know it.

>>59731587
NO!
If ISP's want to record my shit, they can.
But I don't want them whining when they go bankrupt and I buy them out for cheap, drives and all.

>>59731617
>Supermarkets do that all the time.
Only if you're a dumb americunt who can't handle cash and has to pay his Doritos and Mountain Dew with his credit card.

>>59731617
>I'm retarded trumpshit and I don't know how to setup uMatrix and Adblock: the post

KYS ASAP

ITT: /pol/tards rotating through the same set of talking points repeatedly and getting BTFO every time.

>Earlier today
>HAHAHAHHAA LIBKEKS SHILLARY BTFO
>Ahem, learn to read stupid drumpfkins
>I.....I....It's okay if Drumpf does it.
Never change, alt-cucks.

>>59731683
>>59731664
Read "The Power of Habit"
Supermarkets can know shit about you only based in what aisles you walk.
Facebook probably does something similar. You aren't on Facebook, but some friend of you is on it. And your family. etc. If they talk about it they can analize the data of the interactions and build a rough profile of who are you.
But of course you will ignore this and you will still sucking Barry and Michael Soweto sperm.

>>59731690
>dreams the cuck

>>59731723
>the botnet m-might get scraps of information about you by analyzing your dumb relatives PM'ing their friends
>IT'S TOTALLY THE SAME AS TELCOS SELLING OUT YOUR IP CONNECTION LOGS TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER TO CASH-IN ON THEIR CUSTOMERS

Drill a fucking hole in your head, /pol/tard.

>>59731787
>HURRRR OUR SAVIOR ONEGRO OBONGO WILL SAVE US OF COMCAST SELLING OUR SOULS
>but my info obtained indirectly by Facebook is okay, yes, ONLY COMCAST IS THE BAD GUY REEEEEEEE

It's amazing how eager broflakes are to protect their orange god emperor every time he shits on their civil rights, entitlements and his campaign promises as long as he nods them with casual racism.

>>59731809
>shitlib
>talking about civil rights
>defending kikebook and jewgle monopoly

>>59731801
>b-but what about hillary e-mails
>b-but muh obummer birth certificate
It's about time to move on and stop whining about history, you pathetic dicklets.

>>59731801
Nice autistic screeching, Kelly. You might want to come back to the White House and check if that microwave is still spying on you.

>>59731820
Nobody mentioned Hillary mails.
Trump literally reversed this to the same state that Obongo had this shit, but somehow he "remebered" to close.
You had 8 years for bitching about this, but well, you didn't.
You could even prevent the rise of Facebook. And you didn't nothing.
But, hey, Orange Meanie Drumpf is bad. And Google and kikebook are good guys now.

>>59731815
>t. drumpftoddler

>>59731832
>says the freetard
Good try, rms.

>>59731840
>t. drumpftoddler

>>59731815
>thinks this is an issue for "shitlibs"

I'm a card carrying Republican.

I oppose this shitgibbon President and his shit flinging policies to destroy citizens' privacy.

Whe will you pull your fucking heads out of your asses and undrstand Trump is not on your side?

>>59731841
>t. red_1337_star762

>>59731856
Oh, a Neocon.
How is McCain doing? Did he piss himself today?

We're introducing rectal examinations everyday for national security purposes. Don't worry, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. Now bend over.

>>59731840
>Trump literally reversed this to the same state that Obongo had this shit, but somehow he "remebered" to close.
>You had 8 years for bitching about this, but well, you didn't.
Could you make it any more obvious that you're a filthy crossboarder who just came here to do damage control for Trump and doesn't actually know anything about board culture here?

>>59731861

Hello sir, you're first on the list for our daily rectal examinations. Be a good boy and bend over and spread them cheeks, this won't last long. Just comply and everything will be OK.

>>59731861
How's your overweight manchild baboon with Alzheimer's doing? Did he already break his 0 day streak without being a national embarrassment and lying sack of crap throwing trumpentantrumps at his own party members?

>>59731886
>stop dissagreing with me ;_;
I browse /g/ almost daily for years. The only culture here is consumerism, and forget about the issues in your party to focusing in the bad things of the other.
You know that both states of this situation are shit.

>>59731840

Hello there! It's now your turn for your daily rectal examination. Please bend over and spread it. Hmm, interesting, we're going to need the rectoscope. Don't worry, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. Thank you for partaking in your daily rectal exam. All for national security, you understand. Now can you get your mother over here, it's her turn.

>>59731890
I will gladfully bend over, sir, if you promise that blacks will have their examination times doubled. Heil Drumpf!

>>59731899
>muh career politician
How is Hillary doing? Did Satan overcome his fear of her?

>>59731905

That's a good boy, just bend over and take your daily rectal examination. Don't question it, because questioning means you support the terrorists.

>>59731923
>t. assblasted as fuck

>>59731929

Sir, I'm going to need you to pull your pants down and let these three officers conduct your rectal examination. Sir, it's very important because you could be concealing terrorist weaponry. Sir, comply with the rectal examination order. Sir, I don't care if your mother was crying with agony after being rectally examed, it's important for our national security. BEND OVER NOW. TAZER. TAZER. TAZER.

>>59731919
>muh single-digit IQ bankrupt billionaire

How's Apprentice ratings, your daughter's collection and your golf games are doing, Blimpfy? Don't you have a country to run, no?

>>59731946

STOP RESISTING. STOP RESISTING. JOHN, QUICK, SHOVE YOUR FINGERS UP HIS ASS. FOR THE GOOD OF THE LAND.

>>59731929
>t. drumpftoddler

>>59731951
>I don't know what the shit is a bankrupt
You probably will never win what he pays in tax alone, barista. Kek.

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>>59731905
>standard /pol/ack claim of being on 4chan for years combined with a revisionist history statement
Wow, I totally haven't seen this hundreds of times over the past year. You must be really blind if you've been here all these years and have never come across threads where people were complaining about companies or the government spying on them and any group that supported those companies doing so, because those threads are a hallmark of this fucking board.

>>59731967
Most threads like that ended in nothing.
This board can't do anything.
Enjoy defeding Google by proxy.
:^)

>>59731966
>if I just lick between Drumpf's buttocks it will make me as rich
Typical republitard

>DRUMPF IS AMAZING HE REPEALED TPP SO WE CAN PIRATE :DDDDDDD
>Makes it legal, nay encourages the ISPs to spy on you and sell your info back to the media jews

Can't wait for Blacked.com to start their lawsuits against /pol/acks.

>ITT: /g/ goes assblasted because they ended defending Google and Jewbook

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>>59727796
>all drugs are dangerous
Pic related. It's the total death toll of weed

>>59731984
Enjoy your no privacy, trumpette. Soon to be extended to your bathroom, because that's where are all the terrorists are hiding according to your alternative genius-in-chief.

Regards, Europe

ITT: /pol/tards venting out their patriarchal white male butthurt and getting BTFO every time.

>>59732010
>europe
>where free speech is sanctionated
>"privacy"
Stay mad.

>Cries when his privacy is violated, but then gives zero shits about the privacy of the 300 million other people in this country.

Lol, murikans. They're fat and they're dumb. Business as usual.

>>59731990
ISPs were already spying on you, you stupid fuck.

>>59732098
Yeah and now it's completely legal, they can do it openly and sell your info too :D.

>>59732105
It was legal before. The law wasn't even in effect yet.

Literally nothing has changed.

>>59732113
Except government endorsed and encouraged spying now completely legal and in the open.

>>59732123
Nope.

Nothing has changed. You'll have to get mad at something else today.

First they came for the minorities and I did nothing,
Then the liberals,
Then the media,
Then they came for my Comcast,
And no one was left to help me


kek murika is shit

>>59732138
>he actually thinks he's oppressed in America

lmfao get a life dude

>>59731447
how does the taste of black semen taste in your mouth

>>59732134
>LALALALLALAA I DON'T BELIEVE MY OWN EYES SEEING THINGS

kys

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>>59732154

>>59732134
This.
It's the same as after. You are mad because Drumpf avoided a Jewbook and Jewgle monopoly on data.
We need a third way to assure that our data could be protected, not protecting the two biggest companies who do datamining

>>59732154
>LALALALA THE REPEAL MEANS MUH SMALL BAD GOV

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>kikebook and jewgle sell people's data
>the repeal lets your ISP do it too to be "fair"
Does anyone else find this retarded? How is this a net positive? You could just avoid those sites and programs and, at worse, your ISP was selling your data illegally. Now they can do it legally, and that's fine because other people do it as well? That literally does not make sense.

>>59732218
>they can do legaly
They can't do shit legally or illegaly moron. This shit is in the same grey slate that came before Obongo proposal.
Google and Facebook played a tune and you danced it believing that you where being contrarian.

>>59732246
They can't do what legally or illegally, sell your metadata?

>>59732152
I don't know, I'm not american. You tell me.

>>59732113
>The law wasn't even in effect yet.
Just because the protections hadn't gone into effect yet doesn't mean they weren't on the books. No matter how you try to spin this, it's still the idiot in chief getting rid of rules to protect consumer privacy.

>>59732163
>we need to protect our data by allowing more companies to collect and sell it
How can trumptards be this stupid?

>>59732218
It's basically just retards trying to do damage control for Trump's idiocy.

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>>59732278
Keep crying little baby. You lost.

Jesus, the drumpfcuck damage control ITT is off the charts.

>>59732294
Samefag harder, you aren't obvious enough yet.

>>59732278
>being in the same status quo of before == endorsing
Why the fuck shitlibs are so retarded?

>>59732289
>ballless drumpftards are scared to attack a man other than as a group

Color me surprised

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>>59732289
Not an argument.

>>59732301
Lmao, open up a dictionary and learn what status quo means, you illiterate drumpfnigger.

>>59731195
Not him. If you have pirated movies on your server, there might be a chance the copyright holders of the materials might not think you own those particular 1's and 0's. Doesn't mean you won't get away with it, but it doesn't mean it's legal.

>>59732316
>keyboard warrior "antifas" are chickens in real life

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>>59732316
>>59732320
You fools have entered my realm now. Let us begin!

>>59727308
AHAHHHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHHAHHAHAH

GOD BLESS AMERICA