/pcbg/ - PC Building General

this is not the thread

>>59721868
>>59721868
>>59721868
>>59721868
is the thread.

>>59722611
I didn't want to make an overlapping thread, but last time I had one up were people were actually being helped, sagay made his shill thread to overlap anyway.

So I may as well since he's just spamming nonsense to mislead people into shit builds.

He (probably you, who just dropped the name) is currently having a tantrum over someone wanting to make a PC build for console emulation.

>>59722671
I thought you said gentoo there, for a second.

If you have moar coars, I don't see why you wouldn't mainly use Linux and a VM now days.
VM'd Windows is like a 1-5% performance drop if you set it up well, which is nothing with how overpowered affordable hardware is now days.

I have an approximately 8.5 inch gap between my desk and a shelf rack where I wish to put the tower I'm building. I was thinking, however, that it would be dumb to put it on the floor due to dust/fur reasons, and was thinking about elevating it about 9 or 10 inches.

Are there any recommendations about how to do this? I don't want it to look like a poverty station, but I also don't want to spend too much money.

Bonus points for being able to put stuff underneath.

>>59722648
sagay's an oldfag who made the thread legitimately, you're a random irrelevant anon who made another general because you're losing an internet fight. i don't know what else to tell you.

are you a tripfag or just a random new anon? i'm saging btw.

>>59722757
>t. Sanjay

>>59722724
Putting it on the floor is fine if you have a top mount PSU or have a fanless PSU at the bottom mount.

Can you draw like a sketch of what it looks like?

You mean the top of a shelf UNDER your desk has a 8.5" gap to the top of the shelf?
So you either need an 8.5" case or you are thinking to make your desk 0.5-1.5" taller?

>>59722757
You missed last thread, Anon. Or you're probably him, again.

I had a thread up 10 hours before Sagay and he copied half the improvements I made to the OP, but replaced the part on alternatives to an i5 with more i5 shilling.

They were overlapped for about another 14 hours more before mine hit the bump limit.

I let his still going, but since he had all that misinformatoin and shilling in replies to people, and insulting people for wanting to make builds he didn't think were for appropriate people, I've made a new one just like he overlapped mine yesterday. (which I didn't want to do, and was waiting for his to expire. Granted he beat me to it this time like I beat him by 10 hours before, but he was being a huge faggot in it)

In addition to the groupon+ebates thing in the OP:

1700 are currently $100 off with a motherboard at Microcenter.

Bestbuy currently has a $15 free giftcard that must be used by April 14th
Bestbuy will also price match newegg and amazon, and a few big online retailers.

>>59722757
Here's a comparison of the previous threads, by the way:
>>59698233
>>59703034
Check timestamps of the beginnings/ends.

I even linked to his thread as it was expiring for the "new thread" when it hit the bump limit since his was only at like 125 then, instead of being a faggot like him at the time.

So don't call me out on this. I'm just someone trying to actually be helpful while he's being a fucktard to people.

>>59722815
i don't know who you are? just a newfriend who's making generals to be cool? does this trip mean anything to you?

also your OP edits are completely ridiculous dude. this is coming from this tripcode. I'm not convinced you know who I am.

sage

>>59722865
I know, right? Why don't people get that we tripfags are so superior to all?

This tripcode means my
>opinions
are better than any Anonymous plebeian.

Whats the crack on freesync 2 screens /g/? No doubt they are still purely theoretical but if not know of any? I'm itching to go full on AMD for a 4k build and my venerable 290x will no longer cut it despite it being a super leaky sample that gets well into upper percentages of overclocking on air/water.

>>59722830
>>1700 are currently $100 off with a motherboard at Microcenter.
Where?

>>59722830
>Bestbuy currently has a $15 free giftcard that must be used by April 14th
Where?

>>59722865
Yeah, I don't know who you are.

My edits to the OP aren't ridiculous. Sagay even copied half of them which were:
>G4560 remains the best if your budget is only around $500 or less.
>Consider only getting an SSD for what you planned to spend on an SSD+HDD. Add a HDD later once needed.
>The cheapest way to build a PC is buying one part at a time as you see flash sales, not buying all parts at once. An entire build worth of good components will rarely be on sale all on the same day.

I had to include that not all i3s aren't worth considering when the 7350K is the best single core performance for its price, which makes it best for emulators and dwarf fortress.

But he's some fucktard shill that says the i5-7500 is 175% the performance of the 1400.

>>59722897
Anandtech does good write ups and has one on it.
But it's hard to say.
My hope would be better standards. Some Freesync screens are ass due to there being no validation as it's an open standard.

>>59722922
>1700 are currently $100 off with a motherboard at Microcenter.
at.. microcenter.
I think it's in store only.

>Bestbuy currently has a $15 free giftcard that must be used by April 14th
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Buy-a-150-Best-Buy-Gift-Code-get-a-15-Bonus-Code-165-Value-Emailed-/262913800958

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>>59722815
I'd like to put my tower in the gap here, with a 9 or 10 inch elevated platform to keep it off he ground and shove the subwoofer under it. If that seems like a bad idea I could go with a lower elevation.
Yes, the PSU is top-mounted, but I get a crazy amount of cat hair flying around.

Current PC:

CPU: FX 6300
MOBO: M5A97 2.0
GPU: 650Ti
PSU: CX500M

If I toss out the 650ti for 1070 - would it benefit nicely (cuz I got shit fps right now in everything)? And will my PSU & GPU live? Esp. if I push the 6300 to cca 4.2 GHz. Don't have that much cash and am Europoor so prices are huge.

>>59722956
>Microcenter
>Best Buy

Thanks for the links. I don't really need the moar cores of the 1700, so I'll just get the 1500X when it comes out, which is clocked higher anyway.

>>59722897
Freesync 2 will have standards for HDR10 with some sort of automatic mode switching with an open standard.
It will also have tighter standards for variable refresh.

This all sounds great, but the problem with Freesync is that some monitors didn't meet these standards.
However, this made them cheaper and you could always read reviews to see if they met the standards.

And Vega will have HDR10 injection for older games, to use that open standard.

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>>59723039
Even an RX470 would be a nice upgrade over the 650Ti. Over 50% in the worst case.

1070 is very good, good enough for 144fps minimum in many games, but since the price drops of 1080s, and the R9 Fury still being around $235 since black friday, it's still not good performance/$.
You can sometimes find 1080s for like $420 on flash sales if you're patient, while I hardly see 1070s at $325 or less.

>>59723019
Oh 8.5" wide.

There are many cases that are 6.5" wide or less. The Rosewill SRM-01 is 6.7" wide and can fit a 1080Ti if I'm not mistaken (at least length wise, but it should width wise as well).

>>59723151
I have a case, I'm just curious about what I should use as a stand.

>>59723039
that FX6300 will bottelneck the shit out of a 1070
500w psu is fine as long as you dont buy a fiji/hawaii gpu
just get a rx470

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is a ryzen 7 worth it?

>>59723313
if you just gonna play games no, also considder a 1700 instead of 1700x and oc it

Hey guys considering building a new pc; haven't made one since 2011 (i5-2500k and gtx 670). I learned a lot from that first build and I don't really game anymore. I'm mostly looking to build a workstation pc that can run a 4K monitor and play casual games(league of legends, etc). Any suggestions? United States.

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>>59723196

>500w psu is fine as long as you dont buy a fiji/hawaii gpu

You're just jealous of my mad wattage.

>>59723184
I'm really not sure.
I think your best bet is to go into a store at a place with bedroom or livingroom furniture and see if something fits and is in your budget.

Putting a subwoofer under it, if it's at least larger in one dimensions, doesn't sound like a terrible idea.
Case and subwoofer enclosure are both shielding, anyway.

>>59723151
>Even an RX470 would be a nice upgrade over the 650Ti. Over 5

Yeah, you're right. 1080 is like only 80 EUR more I got 3x screens (1440p@60, 1080p@144, 1080p@60) so it might be worthwile.

>>59723196
Yeah, that would be the next step :/ but can't afford all right now. The CPU sucks for gaymen but it's pretty cool for coding tho.

So now a followup question - can the PSU handle 1080 :D?

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I really wish we had more work/server based builds from time to time.
I understand that the majority of people visiting here aren't very much interested in it but it would still be rad.

>>59723389
I'm basically in the same boat. 2500k and 7970.

Going to get a 1600X and then wait for Vega/Volta/Navi and keep using my 7970 until then.

I actually somewhat need 32GB since I max my current 16GB out a lot, and got that already.

>>59723504
There was quite a few yesterday.

Can someone explain what the deal is with Ryzen and RAM compatibility and recommend a solid board? Looking to pull the trigger on an R5 build ASAP but feel like I'm about to get burned.

>>59723313
I don't think the 1700X is at that price.

The 1800X is nice if you actually have the money and don't want to bother overclocking.

If you're going to overclock, the 1700 will probably hit 3.85-3.9ghz fine which is much better value especially since you can get them from $230-$270 with a cooler.

For gaming, 1600X is probably the best value especially for someone that doesn't want to bother with manual overclocking, which is most people.
Lots of people buy unlocked CPUs and never overclock them.

>>59723553
It does best with single rake and low latency dies like Samsung B dies.

Here is an incomplete list of single rake:
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ddr4-single-rank-memory-for-ryzen-list.2501833/

An upcoming BIOS update this week should make it a lot easier for most 3200mhz XMP RAM to actually reach 3200mhz on it.

For higher than 3200mhz, you have to change the refclock manually.

>>59723553
afaik it has to do with amd having to thest all the ram themselves and then send some sort of code to the board manufacturers. there was a GN video aboit it a few weeks back.

>>59723862
It has a lot to do with the listed speeds being listed as speeds validated to work on Intel motherboards with XMP.

Since AMD has been pretty much out of the game for 7 years, it was just Intel XMP validations done.

But if you get some 3200, it seems to just about always run at at least 2800 at the moment.

All that testing takes a while. Motherboard manufacturer websites often have a list of verified RAM, but that's generally more expensive than buying on sale.

>>59723313
lol no

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>>59723313
yes just buy it

>>59724302
It's funny because AMD fixed the screen tearing issue years ago, but Nvidia still has that problem with SLI.

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>>59724378
yeah that's right they "fix" it

>>59724281
>a CPU that's essentially 2 4770k CPUs put together, with modern features and far more energy/thermal efficient as well, is not worth what a single 4770k costs.
Must be easy to shitpost that hard, as all you have to do is not use your brain.

>>59722572
housefire

I have a question. If i wanted to focus on gaming, would a 7700k be good.

Would i be able to add 2 gtx 1080 tis and an m2 dtive?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QRKC9W

how'd I do?

also these:

https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16824267006

https://www.amazon.com/RK-PRO104-Mechanical-Keyboard-Switches/dp/B01GYMEHGA/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1490494978&sr=1-3&keywords=ducky+one+tkl+rgb

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01EPZI85Y/ref=pd_aw_sim_147_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=RTHVZAK3K2J7ESBANXQG&dpPl=1&dpID=41x5%2BRPcXpL&th=1

http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/493876/Realspace-MFTC-200-Multifunction-Ergonomic-Super/

>>59723313
yep
Posted from my

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Virtualization:        AMD-V

>>59724533
Yes, a 7700k is great for current games if you have the budget.

>Would i be able to add 2 gtx 1080 tis and an m2 dtive?
To what? A Z270 motherboard with SLI support? Yes.

Make sure it supports 32Gbps M.2, or it says 4x PCIe3.0 lane M.2... but they pretty much all do, from what I've seen.

>>59724540
Seems fine except the H100i. There are far better AIOs. Look up AIO comparison reviews and you'll see how bad it is.

But personally: I don't understand spending $500 for cpu+motherboard+cooler when you might end up replacing them in 2-3 years when 6 core becomes more standard (at least for 120hz and 144hz), but only spending $90 on an SSD that you'll probably keep running for 10+ years.

You could also find a 1070 for cheaper or just go with the R9 Fury if in the USA. 1070 is not worth it at $325, which they're sometimes on sale for, let alone higher.
You can also sometimes find 1080s for around $420 which is a huge upgrade over the 1070.

Ok guys console here, I'm ready to make the convergence with tax returns I have about 1k to spend on a PC I don't need anything insane I mainly am gonna play RTS's and my brother need video editing software so if anyone has any build ideas I'm new at this and have no idea what I'm doing

>>59724302
>>59724446
And not a single argument was made.

>>59724598
Little Endian

>>59724644
Thanks, i dont know much about pcie lanes. So the m2 card would be using the mobos lanes right?

>>59724683
what about it? intel is too

upgrading to a socket 1151 from socket 1366, anything I should know?

>>59724720
xeon memes bless you with the power of 5.0GHz

>>59724644
>replace in 2-3 years

I'll be able to save up enough money by then, ty for your concern

I was able to get the 1070 for $299 tax free, but yea I'll buy a 1080ti later if some guy ever feels like selling one for cheap at reddit/craigslist

>>59724652
Well for video editing, 1700.
For a mix of video editing, streaming, gaming, the 1600X can be a better buy.

>>59724686
So... the CPU and chipset for the motherboard (chipset is things like X370, Z270, B350, B250) has a limited number of PCIe lanes.

But for SLI, usually what happens is they split up the 16x to 2 8x and there's still lanes left over for a full speed NVMe.

An 8x lane on the GPU only makes a 1080 like 1-3% slower, if I'm not mistaken. Not sure if the 1080Ti is any different.
But really, you probably shouldn't be using SLI. Just get one big card. As mentioned, SLI can have screen tearing and stuttering problems, and it also doesn't scale nearly as well as CF.

>>59724744
>I'll be able to save up enough money by then, ty for your concern
Yes, but you'll want to just pop the SSD into the new computer instead of upgrading to a bigger main SSD then, right?
But if all you want is the highest possible FPS right now on average, then yes, pair a 4.8+Ghz overclocked 7700k with a 1080Ti. But putting a highly oveclocked 7700k with a 1070 isn't somehow going to make the 1070 draw frames faster.

>I was able to get the 1070 for $299 tax fre
Oh, that's good then. You just should have clicked the cog icon on the row to mark it as paid for.

>>59724739
I don't believe in overclocking

>>59724777
Thanks for the info. Im about ready to buy a new pc. Might hold off on the 2nd 1080 ti for now, but just wanted to make sure it would be possible in the future, if i needed an extra card

>>59724830
Ah. Getting a 1080Ti is fine now, but it the future it would make more sense to just sell the 1080Ti and buy a single big Vega/Volta/Navi card instead.

SLI is just not very good. Even when it works, it doesn't scale as well as CF, it has stuttering and tearing issues that CF no longer has.
And even then, I wouldn't recommend CF either since it doesn't work for all games either.

Also, two cards is much less energy efficient that one big one even when you get +90% scaling or more like in CF. You still have the uncore from the cards, extra VRAM they don't utilize like one card does, etc.

So do people still actually believe the 7600k is "the same" as a 7700k? Most people I know knew that 4c/8t 4c/4t has been well worth it as of the past few years.
Like how you have people with 4670k oveclocked who are starting to encounter the stuttering even with a good GPU in games now days, but people with even a 3770k or 2700k are generally still fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XylVCItVhS4

Do they think DigitalFoundry are shills? It seems to me they're one of the few that do decent analysis these days (besides Anandtech, though they run GPU bottlenecked gaming benchmarks a lot because they basically think "60fps is good enough", and )

DF does some of the best tests. You can see even in the games where the average of the 7600k and 7700k is within 5%, the 7600k still dips over 20% lower in the really strenuous parts of a game which is where you want a CPU performing at its best, not worse.
And in other cases the 7700k is plain 30%-45% better.

If you're spending $400 for a CPU+cooler+motherboard, it's pretty retarded to not just spend $100 more to get 45% higher performance in some cases, and at worst at least like 20% higher minimums in most games from the past few years.

It shouldn't be hard to understand how HT/SMT really helps games a lot.
The only explanation is that some people are just that stupid and blind themselves to facts like those, or their dad works at Intel and beats them if they don't meet their i5 quotas.

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>>59724666

>>59724932
I don't play any of those games though

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>>59724932
The stock 7700 really does beat the shit out of a 4.8ghz 7600k in some of that games. By a shitload, too.

I guess if you know for a fact that all you play does about the same on a 7600k, and you won't play any future games, an i5 can make sense.

Looks like only one game had an overclocked 7600k matching the stock 7700, which was Far Cry Primal.

>>59725010
What do you play?

>>59725028
spacestation 13 and 4chan

>>59725038
A G4560 is fine for you, then.
It also benefits from hyperthreading, like that.

G3220 were pretty garbage, but the G4560 is pretty great for the price.

480 8GB or 1060 6GB?
Both priced pretty much exactly the same in my location

>>59725188
isn't the 480 the one with heinous power consumption

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>>59725217
yes and don't buy amd. literally housefire.

>>59725188
If those are priced the same, the 1060 6GB is the better buy.

But you might want to look at game benchmarks. If you're playing DX12/Vulkan games like BF1, Doom, Mad Max, Deus Ex, the RX480 is better than the 1060 is in DX11 or DX12, especially if you have at least 8 threads to feed the driver. Lots of older games are getting Vulkan patches, too.
But if you don't know what you're going to be playing and shit, the 1060 6GB is a safe bet and not that much worse in DX12/Vulkan.

>>59725217
It's not heinous. It uses about 5-10% more than the 1070 despite being less powerful. It's still better than other past cards and it's nothing like Fermi, or Hawaii.

>>59725283
oh I got it mixed up with Fermi, wasn't fermi also numbered 480?

>>59725283
>>59725188
I have an 850W PSU and 200W used from CPU and various components, so which 1060 6GB is the best buy currently?

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>>59725346
>wasn't fermi also numbered 480
Yes.

>>59725346
Yes, the housefire fermi card that pulled like almost 500watt was the 480.

>>59725356
>so which 1060 6GB is the best buy currently?
show us which the cheapest ones are available to you.

QUICK WHICH 1070 IS THE /CURRENTLY/ BEST TO GET

>>59725694
Looking at Gigabyte, any trouble with those?

I want to put together a build purely for BOINC distributed projects. Something that will run at 100% 24/7 and wont be used for anything else.

Primarily asteroids@home and SETI@home, but occasionally other projects when work units aren't available.

With a ~$600-800 budget, what's the best way to maximize my FLOPS?

>>59725694
>>59725716
going for the MSi 1070 Gaming X 8G, any objections?

When are Ryzen APUs supposed to come out?

>>59725748
Are you in the US? In the US, either the R9 Fury non-X (can be had after rebates for about $240 at just over 7 TFLOPS out of the box) or ~$180-$200 RX480s (~5 TFLOPS) will be the most raw FLOPS per dollar.

The R9 Fury's can sometimes be flashed to unlock intentionally disabled shaders, theoretically getting you to either 7.5 or 8 TFLOPS of the full Fury X Fiji chip, but obviously is up to a little bit of luck.

2 R9 Fury's will leave you with about $300 to get a hefty power supply, which you will need, and basic but capable motherboard, CPU, RAM, HDD.

This is a full 14 TFLOP PC at $800. I can try to help you out with motherboard/CPU/PSU if you're interested, let me know.

>>59723313
Depending on what your computer is for:
>1700X
If you stick with the 1700X it comes with the Wraith Max which is a good cooler and should be able to bring you to ~4GHz fine, no need for the CM212. I live in TX so I would personally rather run a 1700 with a stock cooler and run it at 3.5@stock V.
>X370
Only go X370 if need 6 SATA3, need x-fire, or need 3200+ MHz RAM, or some niche thing like LN2 overclocking (not sure about VRM quality on the Carbon Pro though). A caveat is that X370 BIOS updates roll out faster.
>RAM
It's recommendable to go with faster RAM if you're sticking with the X370 (recommend B-Die like G Skill Trident Z). 16GB to be futureproof as well. Ryzen's interconnect depends on RAM speed.
>storage
M2 NVMe is great, but if it's outside of your budget whatever.

Expect good frame rate variances compared to the i7 series but 5-15% lower average framerates (at stock), but also great productivity performance (chews both ANSYS and NX jobs for me); I've heard it gives the 6900 and even the 6950 a run for its money in cases. I upgraded from Nehalem.

>>59725694
The cheapest one. Most of them are overpriced as fuck.

Can anyone recommend a good 16GB kit and mATX board for Ryzen, please?

Inb4 >mATX. Already have a case I've fallen in love with and aren't looking to change just yet.

>>59725950

Yeah, I'm in the US. I hadn't run BOINC in years until recently, and since I started again I've been running my gaming PC full blast when I'm not home.

Unfortunately it turns out running a GTX1080 / 6700K at full blast 24/7 generates more heat than I would like in my small computer den at home. That's why I want to build a dedicated rig I can stick in the back room at my office instead.

I'll look into the R9 Fury. I really have no idea what I'm doing, so bear with me if this is a stupid question. Would it be worth it to try and buy a couple used Xeons or something off eBay? Or are GPU's just that much superior that it doesn't really matter?

If GPU's are the way to go, I can set up a big case with a board that supports 4 GPU's and then just add an R9 whenever I have the cash until it's stuffed full.

>>59726091
Need to check with the mobo manufacturer for compatibility, even at this point. There's just too much of a question when it comes to Ryzen and RAM speeds. Gotta see it in writing or at a minimum on reviews first. I'd want the fastest kit I can get that is confirmed to work if I was buying Ryzen.

Jesus Christ CAPTCHA is such a piece of shit these days.

>>59725748
>>59725950
That would probably be Vega paired with a G4560 or lesser.

The low end Vega card, likely to be around $350-$450, will probably be something around 10.5-11.5 TFLOPs.

That would roughly be on par of the 7.5 TFLOPs for $235 of the R9 Fury if it's on that lower end, but at probably 1/2 the power consumption and 3x the power consumption per watt.

>>59725924
>When are Ryzen APUs supposed to come out?
Q3 apparently, but that might be OEMs either and Q4 before consumers can get them.

It looks like there's going to be huge orders to fill at Apple and MS first.

>>59725991
I don't think 1700X currently come with the Wraith Max cooler. Where do you see that?

>>59724446
>yeah that's right they "fix" it
Yes they fixed it. Did you have a point? or are you just another idiot who has brand loyalty.

>>59726091
see
>>59723853

Plan to upgrade from Lynnfield. What's a decent processor for video encoding around $300?

>>59726171

I'm not too worried about electricity as I'm going to be plugging this thing in at my office, where the electricity is a flat rate component of the rent regardless of usage. Might as well get the most value I can out of it.

>>59726241
Just the CPU itself for $300? Not mobo and DDR4 too?
The 1700 by far. You can find those under $300 with cooler included.

>>59726282
Ah. 2 R9 Fury is definitely best if you don't have to pay for power, it would seem.

Unless you can find some used 290X or 390X to get 3 for less than the price of 2 R9 furies.
But then you could run into issues of not enough PCIe lanes, and the splitter bandwidth not being sufficient, which I'm not sure of.

I think this is something you should ask Anandtech forums as I know a number do BIONC there.

>>59726144
My knowledge on BOINC is limited but as far as I know, modern GPUs absolutely crush CPUs in terms of raw compute power. Checking their forums out it seems most of the users are utilizing GPUs, so I think that's the way to go. I'd just stick to a basic CPU seeing as all you'll need it for is to run the OS.

Keep in mind that the R9 Fury is a 275W card, way more power hungry than your 1080, so heat can still be an issue for sure. >>59726171 gives pretty good advice. You could wait for Vega which should be arriving soon (tm) and will most likely be cooler and much more power efficient for performance that's in the same ballpark. My guess is that availability will be an issue at launch though, as usual for brand new high end GPUs.

>>59726371
I haven't used boinc in a while but I'm pretty sure most of the projects only run on CPU

>>59726405
disregard my post, i suck cocks

apparently seti@home supports Nvidia CUDA, so he could maximize FLOPS with a shitty CPU shitty motherboard and put all the money in a GPU with beefy heatsink

>>59726405
>>59726489
lel. But yeah, the ones he mentioned (SETI@home, asteroids@home) seem to crush it with GPU compute. For example, on their site for SETI, they list that a 7700k throws out 25 GFLOPS (0.025 TFLOPS) while running SETI. Can't hold a candle to any modern GPU for whatever the hell calculations it's doing.

>>59726489

seti@home and asteroids@home both support CUDA. My 1080 was fucking crushing it, but again I want to move this shit out of my house where I pay the electric bill, and bringing my gaming rig to work kind of defeats the purpose.

My 6700k runs 8 jobs simultaneously with a ~2hr run time, while the 1080 runs a single job at a time with a ~15min run time.

So, I'm probably better off with the Fury if power cost isn't an issue. Especially once Vega comes out, prices will probably come down a little, or used ones will be available for cheap.

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>>59726595
>Especially once Vega comes out, prices will probably come down a little, or used ones will be available for cheap.
This almost never happens in the "formerly high end" GPU market. In fact, it's usually the opposite. Just check newegg for prices on GTX 980 (non-TI) as an example. $500-$700 from aftermarket sellers, lol.

Anyway, the prices typically skryocket to unjustifiably high levels as supplies dry up due to demand for Crossfire and SLI setups in old rigs or just the general market forces of supply and demand. I can't really explain it.

Point is, I doubt new R9 Fury's are ever going to be much cheaper unless you get lucky on the used market.

>>59726595
You can currently sometimes get new ones for $420 during flash sales that I've seen pop up every few days. Which is cheaper than you can currently find them used, last I saw at the same time. That's a good deal, at that price.
But yeah, might drop a bit more when Vega comes.

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How much height does a waterblock add to a gpu?
I have an Asus Strix 980 ti that I want to water cool, but I've only got about a centimeter of extra clearance above it right now, and it looks like those ports on top might be bigger than that. Am I just shit outta luck here?

>>59726719
Eh when GCN came out, GTX560, 570 and 580 prices had to drop by 30%, and they STILL were far worse performance/$.

Or was it the GTX 400 series when they came out? I forgot. Might have been for the lower tier GCNs releasing first, at least.

980Ti prices not dropping much (you can sometimes find them for a little over $300 new with warranty) is simply down to how there wasn't an RX490 and shit.

>>59726749
>height
As in... slot depth? Or how much it sticks out toward the side panel?

Look at your current GPU. Your cooler probably sticks out nearly as far toward the case panel from the PCB as the waterblock will.

You should be able to find a diagram with measurements on the waterblock manufacturer's site, too. Match the measurements to the mounting holes.

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>>59726790
It sits vertically in my case (Corsair 380t)

>>59726867
It looks like your GPU cooler extends well above the PCB there, more so than the waterblock does.

Doesn't it look that way to you?

>>59722572
Recommend me a slim mATX case, /g/. Wanting to slim up my home server while keeping my mobo and CPU. Want at least two HDD bays and an optical bay, slim counts. I'm already doing my own research, but I wanted to see if anyone here had personal recommendations.

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>>59726923
No, the pcb runs right along the top edge, even higher than the cooler itself.

>>59726955
PC-05 can fit mATX if you have a small enough PSU and do some super minor modding or just don't bother with all the screw holes and just use like 4.

But that's expensive. What's your budget?

I was looking for slim ones that use vertical PCI so they don't have to 5.7" wide+, and there aren't a lot that are mATX.
Turns out it's easier to find larger mITX that can fit an mATX if you fangle some shit.

Coolermaster 360 Elite is one of the slimmest that uses horizontal PCI slots. It's 5.7" wide, if that's slim enough, but hard to find now. The Rosewill SRM-01 is 6.7".

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>>59727023

>>59727023
>>59727045
Ah. Holy shit that's a huge PCB. It extends way over top the PCI slot. Is that a 290X or something?

Really not sure. Just like I said, there should be a diagram that you can figure it out by. Anything else, and you're asking us to eyeball it for you.

I would say you might need to get a narrower card but that it might fit. Especially since you can have all your water cooling tubing coming in and out from the center of the case.

Do they not have a good return policy?

>>59727092
>Do they not have a good return policy?
Uhh, no.
It was an ebay gamble from like 6 months ago.

>>59722572
Intel Core i7-7700K @ 4.2 GHz
GeForce GTX 1080 Ti
Samsung SSD 960 PRO 512GB
G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4 4000 (4 x 8GB) (PC4 32000)

How do these look? Thoughts on motherboard?

>>59727161
Shit. Get at least a 6c/12t 6800k minimum if you're going to get a 1080ti. 4c/8t is normalfag tier at this point and has no business holding back a high end GPU. I'm expecting you want this PC not to be shit in one year's time, of course.

>>59727236
My other plan was to get 6900k but some anons shit on me in another thread for suggesting that.
One benchmark site shows 6900k btfo 7700k, another shows the opposite.
How do I know who's right?

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>>59727127
If you have it already, why the fuck did you not just try it out and see?

>>59727161
For overclocking? You need a good cooler too (not an h100i or 212evo)
Get the cheapest Z270 motherboard that has the features and slot arrangement you want and at least 8 or 10 phase VRMs. 12 phase or higher is really unnessisary.

>>59727236
>Shit. Get at least a 6c/12t 6800k minimum if you're going to get a 1080ti.
Maybe he's doing 1440p? Or just for future proofing?
But yeah, the 7700k won't push 144fps or even 120fps minimum in many newer games.

>>59727265
>My other plan was to get 6900k
Well, because it's dumb compared to the 1800X. Completely dumb. The 1800X outperforms the 6900k in almost every game except for DX12 ones on Nvidia cards because of issues with Nvidia's DX12 driver. (why would you run DX12 on an Nvidia GPU, anyway?)

We'll see better results when a high end AMD GPU can be paired with Ryzen as it appears to have none of the same problems. Granted, you're talking about getting an Nvidia GPU anyway.

>>59727302
>If you have it already, why the fuck did you not just try it out and see?

Because I didn't want to drop 150 bucks on a waterblock without asking around first.
I'm just trying to get all my ducks in a row before make any leans toward water cooling.

>>59727265
It's completely situational depending on the benchmark at this point. The 7700k will have superior single threaded performance and can hit a higher clockspeed but is going to get fucking annihilated in anything that can use more than 4 real cores.

The bottom line is that the writing is on the wall and the only people that are denying it are willingly blind: the days of quad cores, whether they have hyperthreading or not, are numbered.

>>59727354
... you mean you have the card already? I meant the return policy on the waterblock.
Sorry, I can see how I unclearly worded that.

You could get the waterblock and see if it fits, if not, return it.
But, again, like I said, there should be a diagram on the manufacturer website for the dimensions.

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>>59727380
>anything that can use more than 4 real cores
Are we actually getting to that point yet, though?

>>59727302
>>59727380
thank you for the input

I'm not planning to use it for gaming but mainly for scientific computing and playing 4k movies. I do want it to be reliable and somewhat competitive for 3-4 years. I doubt I'll even overclock anything. Does that change anything?

>>59727446
Not really, in fact, all the more reason to at least go with a 6 core CPU. The only way a 7700k can compete with it's bigger X99 brothers in well-threaded applications is if it's overclocked balls to the wall. You owe it to yourself to check out some Ryzen benchmarks though too.

>>59727429
no
and we never will

>>59727380
Yeah, the writing I saw on the wall back in 2015 was that games were actually starting to use hyperthreading well, and it was much better to get a 4c/8t for anything but an ultra-budget build.
People still shilled 6600ks.

>>59727429
We are at the point where the vast majority is using 4c/8t and get up to 50% performance improvements clock-for-clock over 4c/4t.
And at the point where a few games, not a lot but a few, wants more. Such as ashes, BF1, watch dogs 2, rainbow six siege (really any ubisoft game, it seems), mafia III, total warhammer, arma 3,

Or is your question "at 60fps with nothing running in the background"?
No, at 60fps with nothing running in the background you're fine with pretty much any randomly chosen CPU for over 95% of current games.

>>59727446
Ryzen 7 can play 8k movies with brute-force CPU decoding and room to spare, as an example of its power. I don't believe there is anyone hardware accelerated encoder on CPUs for 8k at the moment.

But for pure gaming, if you don't care about performance/$, multitasking, and future proofing, the 7700k is on average the best.
Whereas the 1800X is basically 2 80-95% 7700k CPUs put together on one chip.

>>59727505
I see
and there's no issue combining gtx with ryzens, right? the 1800x looks pretty comparable to 6900k

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>>59727429
According to the newest benchmark after these updates and shit, the 1800X was faster than the 7700k in 30% of games, and the selection of games seems to have reasonable variety.

Now, obviously you can overclock the 7700k better than the 1800x, and it'll then beat it in more of these games, but the stock 7700k clocks and 1800x are similar, which suggests that clock-for-clock that quite a lot of games like the extra cores/threads.

Like wouldn't the expectation be that these games only use 4 or 8 threads, so the 100-300mhz lower clock and 7% lower IPC of Ryzen over kabylake should mean it does worse in virtually all these games? Winning 30% of them with that single thread deficit looks good.

But this is part of why I wouldn't buy a 1800X now and I'm getting an 1600X: Zen2 or Zen3 is going to probably be at least 10% higher clocks. Will be able to get both the amazing multithreaded and also much closer to as good single threaded then.

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>>59727422
Sorry, I'm tired and getting progressively less sober...
Yes, I have the graphics card, but not the waterblock.
I was holding off on getting the waterblock until I can figure out the exact height it'll add to the card since it already sits so damn high.
I just truly hate having to return anything, especially anything to do with computer parts; my special brand of autism, I guess.

>>59727580
There's been some rumblings that GTX graphics cards might not be working to their full potential with Ryzen but I think it will get ironed out in a driver update soon. Check out AdoredTV's latest video and he goes into some detail about it.

In general the Ryzen 1700 is the best buy of the bunch. I know you said you won't be overclocking but even if you don't, it's only a few hundred MHz slower and is only $330 while also being an 8c/16t chip. If you do ever decide to overclock it, it can overclock faster than the 1800x stock speeds.

>>59727580
The 1800X is actually overall better, as long as you don't need quad channel memory, to the point that Anandtech doesn't even put any Broadwell-E up for consideration for HEDT except for a "memory desktop".

There is technically no reason why you can't. It WORKS, yes. But for some reason Ryzen seems to significantly out perform the 6900k with an AMD GPU, but the two seem more even when it's with an Nvidia GPU.
And Ryzen is complete dogshit with an Nvidia GPU in DX12. Though, I've never seen a game that's DX12 only, so I don't know why you'd use DX12 on an Nvidia GPU.

So if you really want to make a truly high end system that will last ages and not need an upgrade except maybe swapping out the 1800X with a 3800X in 2 years (which you can't do with Intel chipsets/sockets currently), you might want to wait for a Vega GPU to get the most out of Ryzen.

This is going to cost more, though. Your 7700k and 1080Ti idea is perfectly fine for today's gaming. But it seems that games are increasingly being geared toward not any specific number of cores and simply doing better with 8 and wanting at least 6c/12t for consistently high framerates.

>>59727645
>I just truly hate having to return anything, especially anything to do with computer parts; my special brand of autism, I guess.
That's reasonable, really. I just throw old shit away instead of bothering to find a seller and ship it, myself.

Anyway, have you not even looked to see if they have a sizing diagram for it? It should show how much it extends up above the mounting points.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WLfW7h
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WLfW7h/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($343.22 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($69.99 @ B&H)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($64.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card ($139.99 @ Jet)
Case: BitFenix Nova ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($77.88 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.88 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer GN246HL 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor ($182.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $1111.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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>>59727757
This good? Idfk what I am doing

>>59727781
>7700k with a 1050ti and no SSD
Yeah no, it's fucking shit if you want to play games. That GPU is meant for weak prebuilts with shitty power supplies.

Everything else is alright but you need, at least, a small 2.5" SSD as a boot drive for Windows. That RAM is slow though at 2133 too. RAM speed matters a little now, get at least 2666 if you can afford it, shouldn't be much difference in price. Shit's on sale all the time.

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>>59727739
I've looked, but ekwb doesn't seem to have much other than compatibility, not actual sizes that I've found. And since they're they main source of waterblocks, I'm kinda SOL.
Thermaltake makes one that would be perfect since it doesn't even have the ports sticking out, but it's only for the 980, not the 980ti. Goddam.

>>59727686
> Ryzen 1700 is the best buy of the bunch. I know you said you won't be overclocking but even if you don't, it's only a few hundred MHz slower
It's a lot slower stock than it appears.

Its all-core turbo clocks are like 3.3ghz compared to like the 3.8ghz of the 1800X. That's 15% higher. I might be off a bit, though, but it's around there.

And you can look at >>59727638 and see it's a significant difference when it comes to stock speeds. At stock speeds, 1800X currently beats the 7700k in about 30%. But the stock 1700 loses in almost all of them.

I normally wouldn't recommend the 1800X either, but if the cost just plain doesn't matter to someone, and they don't want to bother overclocking (I don't like overclocking CPU either), it is a reasonable buy.
I'll get one eventually myself. But 1600X for now, and 3800X later probably.

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Should I build a G4560 system or buy a used i7 3770 ?

>>59727827
So more expensive cpu or what I'm honestly lost in these options

>>59727686
>>59727739
thanks again for the info
there's so much I don't know :( trying to google everything
I guess I'll lurk here for another couple weeks and try to absorb as much as possible and then ask again when I'm better informed on the technical details
I'm saving all these threads though and I'll refer back to them

>>59727757
Wew that's... pretty bad.

So.. were you mislead in thinking the 1050Ti was good?
Or did you have this $1100 budget and just want the best CPU you can get and can upgrade the GPU later, even though the GPU is going to bottleneck you to 30fps in games that your CPU could probably handle 90-200+?
That's somewhat kind of reasonable to do, but a 1050Ti is extreme here. You may as well just use the damn iGPU of the 7700k.
I'd also argue at this point that it's better to do the opposite: Spend on a big GPU bottlenecked by your cheap CPU like a 1400 or 1500X that you upgrade in a few years.

Tell us what you are making this system for and what your plan was.

>>59727870
What are you trying to do dude? No your CPU (7700k) is alright. Your GPU (1050 ti) is shitty. RX480 or GTX 1060 6 GB at a minimum, whatever is cheaper.

>>59727895
No problem senpai.

>>59727870
Get a non-K cpu. And at least a RX 470.

>>59727860
Used 3770 if it's the same price or even slightly more and you don't need USB 3.1 and shit.

Any ivy bridge 4c/8t or later is still damn freaking good. The 3770 often outperforms the 7600k in newer games, even.

>>59727924
RX470 4GB is still good. It'll bottleneck, but can be upgraded later.

It's at least worth its cost and for adding a dGPU and shit. The 1050Ti is only worth it for mITX or if it was like $75.
>>59727934
Yeah, a 7700 or 1500X and RX470 would probably be best.

Can also get windows for $20 off Kinguin.

>>59727922
It's my first build ever I'm using it mainly or gaming and my brother wants editing software idk what I'm doing just went with random shit really trying to keep it under 1.5k HELP ME

>>59728033
what "editing software"?
Photoshop, or music and video? development?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BPMHLD is probably all you need, but your budget allows for a lot more

Since your brother wants to do editing, you should probably get at least a 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 monitor. The extra pixels don't hurt in games, too, besides needing more GPU power.

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>>59728033
You need to be 18 to post here.

Seriously though, CPU is fine. RAM, get 2666 MHz minimum. Get a 128 GB 2.5" SSD. Step up to an RX 470 or RX 480/GTX 1060 6 GB. Whatever fits your budget. If you had extra money you could get a GTX 1070 for better FPS in games, but that's a bit more money.

>>59728033
Changed the video card (which I'm assuming is what you mean by GPU) to a Gtx 1070 and the CPU to an i3-6100 better? Or...

>>59728095
20 Bruh just never had drive to join PC till this year but yes I am retarded with this shit so plz talk to me like I am a baby

>>59728102
the i3-6100 is a massive downgrade. It's only 5% better than the $60 G4560.

You probably want the Ryzen 5 1500X minimum. But an i7-7700 would be better, though at a premium with a worse upgrade price.
If your brother's editing shit is highly multithreaded, the Ryzen 5 1600X could be ideal for a mix of productivity and gaming.

You haven't told people what programs you'll use and what you actually play and shit which makes it hard to help you much.

The GTX 1070 is generally not worth its cost. For a lot less, you can get close to its performance. For a little more, you can get the 1080. Usually the only way to justify it is for people that play a specific game and it's the cheapest to get 144fps minimum with.

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Is this good for vr, texture generating, rendering, 3D modeling, sculpting, and gaming?

>>59728172
Ok ok he is doing simple editing for his YouTube channel I mainly wana play RTS games but wouldn't be mad if I can run FPS and shit so basically just a general gaming PC that can run basic video editing

>>59728179
>rendering
>modeling
Wouldn't the 5-10% hit in gaming be worth doubling the rendering, modeling, and multitasking performance with a 1700? Plus a 1700 is cheaper.
Also don't you need more than 16GB of RAM for modeling and rendering? I'm a developer and I max out 16GB a lot.

And as has been said dozens of times: the H100i is garbage. You're better off with a high end air cooler than it.

>>59728154
It's alright, you're pretty much good to go, just hunt for the best deals on those parts I mentioned. You were like 90% there on your own, believe me we such much worse around here.

>>59728192
>Ok ok he is doing simple editing for his YouTube channel
There are many editing programs. Which one?
afaik all are multithreaded well so you might want the Ryzen 5 1600X.

>I mainly wana play RTS games
These are usually single threaded, except for newer ones like Total Warhammer and Ashes of the Singularity.
So on average the 7700 or 7700k would be better here, but the 1600X would still be good enough.

>>59728154
Here's what it's lookin like rn

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>>59728253

>>59728264
link to it. fuck.
and no i5s.

Why are you putting in a shitty CPU after people told you a 7700 or 7700k is fine? And that the 212 Evo is shit.
If you want cheaper, get the Ryzen 5 1500X or 1600X that comes out in a week.

And you were already told by someone to not spend that much money yet put shit memory with it. DDR4 2666 minimum. 3000 or 3200 is ideal.

>>59728264
>i5 7500
Step that shit up to an i7 7700 minimum if he's doing editing and bro fuck off with the 2133 memory already lol. That is not good memory and not a good price.

Here. Something like this is fine.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820233828

Trying to build a mini itx htpc and this is what I got so far: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2c7xCy
Budget is $450.

>>59722757
> you're a random irrelevant anon who made another general because you're losing an internet fight
It's pretty clear no one was
>losing an internet fight with sagay.
if you read the first few dozen posts in that thread.
He was just having a tantrum with his shit opinions while there were a number of people telling him off.
That wasn't a fight. It was too one sided.

>>59728350
Looks good. Why spend anymore if that's what you're looking for?

>>59728384
Just wanted to get a second opinion.

>>59728416
Well a 1050 obviously isn't worth getting. G4560 iGPU is good enough to the point that the 1050 doesn't justify the cost increase.

You could get an A12-9800K which is about 50% more powerful CPU wise when overclocked, and twice as powerful GPU wise, but there are no mITX AM4 motherboards right now.

For what it is, if you're just web browsing, playing dota2, and shit like that that the G4560 iGPU can run, it seems like an ideal build.
Given your budget, you could just double the SSD size and still have some left over.

1050 ti > RX 470

>>59728416
I'd consider an aftermarket cooler just to lower the noise level alone. You don't really need it for cooling, just noise. I find the intel stock coolers to be just loud enough to be annoying.

>>59728474
Good idea
>>59728540
Ya that stock cooler sucks.

Why are i5s not worth getting anymore? I got a 6600k last july, did I fall for a meme?

>>59728602
4c/4t is dead meme walking at this point 2bh fampai.

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Want to build my dad a PC for web browsing and other casual use. Went a bit overkill, but he lets me live with him rent free so I thought I should buy him some high quality stuff and not cheap out. Going to get the ryzen 5 1400 with it. Thoughts? I figure this should be enough PC for him for a decade or so.

I have some DDR4 RAM and some HDDs already.

>>59728602
/g/ fell for Ayymd's moar cores meme

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>>59728264
Eh?

>>59728629
>>59728602
To add to that, you basically fell for a reddit tier fedora build. Anybody that has been paying attention has known i5 has been on borrowed time for at least 2 years when it comes to muh gaymes.

>>59728632
Nice.

>>59728530
no lying pls.
The 1050ti can be good in mITX if the RX470 doesn't fit, but that's it. In most countries the RX470 is cheaper or only 10% more, when it's 40-50% better.

>>59728540
>>59728557
>I'd consider an aftermarket cooler just to lower the noise level alone
Yeah, that's true.
It's going to be hotter and work the fan more when you're using the iGPU.

>>59728602
>Why are i5s not worth getting anymore?
No. They haven't been since Haswell, for the most part. Completely dead with no excuses since 2c/4t pentiums came.
>I got a 6600k last july, did I fall for a meme?
Yes, you got mislead by the GPU-bottlenecked benchmarks. You were better off with a 3770k, locked 6700, or something like that.
On average, a locked i7 is far better than a 5Ghz overclocked 4c/4t.

If there was a time for 720p benchmarks, it was /before/ Ryzen arrived. But a ton of tech sites push the narrative of "60fps is good enough and no one uses multi-monitors or runs anything in the background"

>>59728651
it's not "moar coars", it's that hyperthreading is actually quite good. It doesn't have a high cost to manufacturer, but it's good for up to a 60% performance increase clock for clock, core for core. But for a long time Intel was jewing people over in not including it in more SKUs just to justify the i7 price.

>>59728665
>>59728673
>>59728629
But the 6600k was topping all the charts last year and people were recommending it left snd right on here

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>>59728632
Well RX460 is GTX1050 tier, but I doubt he'll mind for his use case.
I also think you could have gotten a mATX with built in wifi for cheaper?
But looks fine.

>>59728704
They were topping charts because they were GPU bottlenecked benchmarks.
The vast majority of games from the past 2 years get at minimum a 20% improvement in minimum frames with hyperthreading. The average is more like 30-35%. In extreme cases it's over 50%, which are as common of outliers as it doing nothing at all like in Far Cry.

Now that the 1080Ti is here, even 1080p ultra isn't enough to GPU bottleneck enough to make them appear the same in most games now days anymore.
Sure the 6600k is usually "good enough", but a G4560 usually is as well, or a R5 1400 now days.

You got mislead by people that were too stupid to realize they were misleading you, basically.

>>59728704
AMD shills have infiltrated. That's part of the reason people are shilling the 470 so hard now.

>>59727033
Sorry for the delay.

Combined with PSU and new hard drives, I'd like to keep below $500 on the absolute high end.

Going to look at what you posted, but still open to more. No room for expansion cards necessary. All I'm running is Plex, file hosting, and some ftp and file conversion. Planning on buying a much lower-profile cooler than what's in there as well.

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>>59728760
>That's part of the reason people are shilling the 470 so hard now.
No, it's simply because they've been going on sale for $110-$130 which makes the best performance for the price.
Don't be a fucktard.

Even with these day1 averages before driver updates, at $130 that makes it just the best performance for the money.

Same reason I and others don't recommend the 460

>>59728771
There are $20-$30 mATX like the SRM-01 and Zalman T5.
The ultra slim sexy cases with vertical PCI simply cost more from what I've seen.

Let me know if you find anything with vertical PCI and under 5" wide that's cheap, though.

>>59728760
Didnt the 470 used to fry motherboards or some shit

>>59728747
mATX with built in wifi would probably be cheaper but I figure the 3 big antennas will get better connection speeds through several walls.

>>59728704
They were retards as >>59728747 pointed out.

>>59728811
Maybe on r/nvidiots. Nowhere else.

What should i upgrade my 970gtx with?

No amd cards pleae my last amd 7950 was utter shit

Should I get the Ryzen 1400 or 1500? Is it even worth it to worry about CPUs this much?

>>59728847
1050

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Poorfag here, shopping for a GPU for less than $100 and it must have native analog support

Seems like my choices are
EVGA refurbished GTX 760 for $90
or
Powercolor 7870 (Used) for $65

Thoughts?

>>59728811
The RX480 had a problem of drawing too much power through the PCI-E on some OEM motherboards when people manually overclocked them, yep. Maybe happened with RX470s as well, it's possible.

That was fixed with a driver update.

Do past issues that were quickly fixed indicate today's performance?

>>59728872
Bait

I got an i5 6400 with a gtx 1080. I could get a i7 6700 for cheap right now, would it make any difference cpu bottleneck wise?

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What's a good size monitor to get? I don't want to have to turn my head a bunch to look at the entire screen, but I don't want to get something too small either. I sit like 2 feet from my scree, any recommendations?

>>59728875
Yeah it sounds like cheap shit design i wouldnt want to risk spending money on

>>59728860
Do you plan to just upgrade to zen2 or zen3 and just need something to tide you over and you don't max out a CPU much? 1400 would be fine.

The 1500X seems like it'll be significantly better though if it really has that full 16MB L3 cache. And it seems like 1400s are maxing out at 3.8ghz overclocks on the stock cooler, while the 1500X comes with a better cooler that's less than you'd spend upgrading the 1400s on top of the better binning.

>>59728874
if you can still do the ebates+groupon buying newegg gift cards thing, do that.

Wait for RX470 to get dumped when RX570s come out because maybe you'll get a similar $100 or less deal. You sometimes see RX470s for $110 which is close to your budget, which is about twice as powerful as those two options there.

Cheapest decent one now is $145 for a regular XFX one, which is pretty meh.
A few were able to get an RX470 for $85 a few days ago, but that's not possible right now.

>>59728847
1080 if you can find one close to $400 new with warranty, which happens now and then. Not much more than a 1070 but much higher performance.

>>59728934
18.5 inches

Hey, I'm gonna be building a PC for gaming, streaming and recording. I'd like to be able to play modern games at 1080p 144hz, on medium to high settings while recording ro streaming.

Here's my list. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MYtvhq

>>The cheapest way to build a PC is by buying one part at a time as you see flash sales, not buying all parts at once.
Does this apply if you are a canadian fag? I can't benefit from temporary sales and simultaneously buy parts in bulk to reduce mail cost. I was hoping to build a gaming-oriented PC for around 1000$. In general would it end up costing around the same as buying a pre-made PC for the same stats, would it cost more to build it? I apologize for the vague question, I'm just looking to minimize cost and I'm new to all this.

>>59728896
>I got an i5 6400 with a gtx 1080. I could get a i7 6700 for cheap right now, would it make any difference cpu bottleneck wise?
Yes. That'd be a 20-70% improvement depending on the game/application.

If you can get a 6700 for like $200 or a bit over, well worth it.

>>59728934
I like 2560x1600 27". It also depends on how far away you put your monitor.

Wall mounted VESA is nice to get it just where you like it with room underneath it on your desk.

>>59728949
It's simply that they only included a 6pin and like one person tried overclocking on a combination of a shitty dell OEM motherboard and shitty PSU.

Yes. Motherboards and PSUs fry when you attempt overclocks they're not capable of. But they also should have kept PCI slot power draw at spec unless people know their motherboards can handle it.

>>59728874
>native analog support
Why, may I ask?

>>59728809
Man, that Lian-Li you recommended. Only really denying it because it's too nice to keep in a closet.

Some of the ones that I've liked so far were Inwin CE685 and BL672. However, the CE685 says it can only hold one 3.5". May have found a winner if I can keep it quiet.

>>59728951
>>59728874
I was considering a RX460 but the total lack of analog support means its not an option, same with the GTX 1050 sadly.

My monitor is becoming a burden now but upgrading it & the graphics card just isn't possible yet and I'd hate to dump the monitor considering its still working just fine.

>>59728981
Using an older CRT. See >>59728985
I could theoretically get an actively powered vga to dvi/hdmi/displayport adapter but thats just more money and I'd like to keep costs down as much as possible

>>59728951
I have a 6600k should i upgrade that first or the 970

>>59728980
>I like 2560x1600 27". It also depends on how far away you put your monitor.

How far do you sit from your monitor?

>>59728951
I want something that will last me a while because getting a new CPU is much more involved in terms of upgrading it than getting something like a new GPU or RAM. Don't know how much I want to ovetclock though. Does that mean I should get the 1500?

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>>59728983
yeah, that PC-05 is almost perfect.
If it just looked a little cleaner, and had dust filters, it'd justify the price for me.

>Some of the ones that I've liked so far were Inwin CE685 and BL672. However, the CE685 says it can only hold one 3.5". May have found a winner if I can keep it quiet.
May want to search for ones with an included slim optical drive. That can make room for another hhd without having a fuck-huge optical drive in a tiny case.

>>59728985
I said RX470 not RX460.

The RX460 is only roughly as powerful as those two cards you listed. The RX470 is about twice as powerful, yet with sales+hoops can be gotten for under $100 often.

Given the performance for the money you'd get there, i figured that'd make the extra $20 converter cost worth it.
Like if you got in on the deal 3 days ago, a $85 RX470+$20 converter = $105. Double the GTX760 performance for $15 more.

>>59729044
The 970 since the 6600k is still good for at least 90fps in most games right? It's the 970 bottlenecking you.
You can get a 6700k for like $210, a lot cheaper than a gtx1080, though. It's just.. in most games except like ashes of the singularity, you'll just maybe get a bit more smoothness with the 970 still bottlenecking you usually but nothing more.

>>59728975
Not even close to good enough.

>>59728985
Would a DVI/VGA converter work? They're cheap as hell.

>>59729045
>How far do you sit from your monitor?
2-4" more than arm's length.

>>59729051
>getting a new CPU is much more involved in terms of upgrading
Not necessarily.
When you upgrade Intel CPUs, it usually means a new motherboard or hassle with ebay.

The AM4 socket, however, is going to be supported for 4+ years.
AM4+ will probably come in 2019-2021 with DDR5 support, but the new CPUs should be backwards compatible with AM4 motherboards like how AM3+ CPUs worked on AM3 motherboards with just not all the new features working.

If you just need to take off cooler, wipe thermal paste, replace CPU, don't have to worry about bent LGA pins, and replace thermal paste and put the cooler back on... it's not too involved.

That's why I say 1400 if you just want a holdover for zen2/zen3, 1500X is you plan to stick with it longer.

Like I plan on getting a 1600X and upgrading to the zen3 8 core, which would only be 2-2.5 years from now, while I'll likely keep my big Vega/Volta GPU for longer, because it looks like the CPUs are getting huge improvements next year and the year after.

>>59729152
>Would a DVI/VGA converter work
The cheapo $5 adapters that used to come with GPUs in the box wont work. You need a $15 or $20 adapter that draws its power from a USB port. A headache but not 100% out of the question

>>59729152
which parts aren't good enough?

>>59729092
>included slim optical drive
There are a couple of Silverstone ones out there, but they're supposed to be for mini ITX. With as many PCs as I've built, I still have never had to finagle something like that. Plus, if I get to reuse one of my optical drives, then that suits me fine. Because I use Lightscribe, goddammit.

building my first pc. My question is if its worth getting the ryzen 5 if you dont care about overclocking?

>>59729152
>Would a DVI/VGA converter work? They're cheap as hell.
Well it needs to be digital to analog I think?
The DVI on these newer cards are digital ones if I'm not mistaken.

Have you also considered looking for free/cheap newer monitors on craigslist?

>>59728975
When you say 144hz, I assume that means minimum. That's good for like 150-200FPS in Overwatch, but nothing that takes more power.

Build looks fine otherwise, but you might want to try to fit in a 1080. For $380, you don't get great performance for the money with the 1070 compared to the 470/480/1080 and the 480 is obviously not powerful enough.

>>59729196
Gotcha. Well, at some point you have to look at the monitor objectively and ask yourself if it's costing you money to keep it around in the long run. You can get a fairly inexpensive 1080p IPS panel for a little over $100 USD these days. VGA is ancient tech. Wish I could be more helpful but I think you've probably already found the two best GPUs out there that could work.

>>59729199
The 7700 will not be powerful enough to stream and game at 144fps at the same time. You'll need a 6800k minimum. If 144 isn't critical, Ryzen 7 1700 would be an option for at least streaming with minimal impact.

>>59729215
If you get the 1500X, 1600X, or 1800X, sure. Those are good at stock speeds.

For the 1400, 1600, and 1700, no. You really NEED to overclock those.

>>59729258
>The 7700 will not be powerful enough to stream and game at 144fps at the same time
It is if they use an external encoder, or drop resolution down to like and "veryfast" preset GPU encoding.

The quality won't be as good, though. For best quality stream on a budget, 1700, yes.

>>59729258
Yeah theres a $130 Asus 1080p IPS that displaylag says has 'excellent' response time. Eventually I'll have to say goodbye to this 50lbs beast but I'm holding out.

>>59729278
yeah i was planning to wait for the 1500x since its seems like it will compete with the i5-7500. Also what kind of motherboard do i need for ryzen?

>>59729278
>It is if they use an external encoder
You need a second PC to use a capture card, if this is what you're referring to. They're a huge headache. And you already mentioned it, 720p60fps (which I'm guessing would be important to him if he's gaming at 144hz and playing shooters) is going to require a beast CPU encoding job to not look like shit. Likely x264 medium at the absolute minimum. Anything less looks like garbage at twitch bitrates.

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>>59729317
The 1400 with the stock cooler overclocked to 3.8ghz beats the 7500 almost across the board. The exception is pretty much only when you use an nvidia GPU with DX12, due to a problem with their driver. That's known for a fact now since some people got 1400s early.

It's a roughly 40-80% more powerful CPU on average thanks to having SMT and being able to clock a bit higher.
Now, that doesn't mean 50% higher frame rates, because not everything uses SMT well, the cross-CCX issue comes up in a few games, and you can be GPU bottlenecked. But fps-for-fps between the 1400 and 7400 you get about 35% CPU utilization free on the 1400 on average over the 7400.

The 1500X on stock clocks will also beat it plenty. It'll even beat the 7600k in about half of games assuming it really does have that 16MB L3, and even if it doesn't something around there unless there's something really off that keeps it from performing like disabling 2+2 cores on a 1700X performs.

>>59729389
Can simply be a capture card, or a small box that's little more than a video encoder, yep.

Once those mITX boards come, a tiny mITX box with nothing but the mITX board and a 1700 are going to be beastly encoders.
Many of the dedicated encoders that twitch streamers use are around $500. You can get an entire mITX 1700 PC for that.

>720p60fps
1700 overclocked handles a game at 60fps and 1080p@60fps encoding and high quality fine. Which is well beyond what the hardware accelerated Kabylake encoders can do.

>>59729258
I haven't looked very much into Ryzen cpus, would a 7700k or a comparable ryzen cpu be a better option at a similar price point?

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Upgrading from an i5 2500k. Looking to play games at 1080p, stream, and render video. Already have an r9 390, PSU, and HDD.

Which would be best to go with a 1500X Ryzen CPU, a GTX 1060 6GB or a RX 480 8GB?

>>59729516
quality post

>>59729547
Depends on what you're planning to do with it. For gaming I'd pick the i7, hands down.

Inb4 pajeets.

>>59729547
It's hard to say what's "comparable".

7700k has the absolute best single threaded performance while also having 8 threads.

see >>59729480 for example. 7700k clocks 20%-25% higher, and will get 20-30% higher performance than the "equivalent" Ryzen 5 4c/8t.

But the "equivalent" Ryzen 5 1500X, 4c/8t, costs about $240 less than the 7700k build.
For about $150 cheaper you could get the 1600X.
For still cheaper than the 7700k you could get 1700 and overclock it to 3.8-3.9ghz on the stock cooler.

>>59729564
At the moment? Definitely the RX480. The RX480 8GB anyway when it's cheaper.
But particularly right now with Ryzen at the moment because Nvidia drivers seem to be having issues with Ryzen.

I think they'll be fixed and there is no conspiracy with Nvidia to gimp Ryzen performance. They wouldn't want all these new Ryzen PCs to not consider Nvidia due to their driver issues. But.. if you want to be completely safe, stick with an RX480, R9 Fury, or wait for Vega.

>>59729516
wow, fucking kill yourself you italian plumber.

>>59729547
7700k will not be able to compete with Ryzen if you're gaming and want to stream at high quality at the same time. It's basically what Ryzen was built for. In other words, the 7700k may hit higher overall framerates than Ryzen but will absolutely choke on the CPU workload required to game and stream (at high quality 720p60fps) at the same time.

>>59729559
looks good.

Did you check that that RAM is on the motherboards compatibility list, though?

>>59728979
>The cheapest way to build a PC is by buying one part at a time as you see flash sales, not buying all parts at once.
>Does this apply if you are a canadian fag? I can't benefit from temporary sales and simultaneously buy parts in bulk to reduce mail cost.
I have no idea.

>>59729679
Or just when it comes to multitasking in general.

7700k will push out good frames with current games with 99% of cpu utilization dedicated to it.

1700 overclocked or the 1800X will do about the same FPS on average or 5% lower, but with 35-45% of the CPU left over for other stuff.

NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT

>>59729713
Fuggoff mario.

>>59729813

;-;7

You're a hero anon.

Do I get i7-6700k or i7-7700k? I got money for both, but I heard that 7700k is a pretty hot chip, and 6700k is a bit cheaper. So, what should I get?

>inb4 ryzen

>>59729480
>The 1500X on stock clocks will also beat it plenty. It'll even beat the 7600k in about half of games
Remember this when real R5 benchmarks appear, folks. Burn it in to your brain and use it to strengthen your mind against pooinloo shilling the next time AMD pretend they have something that can compete in the gaming world.

Nice cherry-picked (and artificial) benchmarks by the way, Pradeep.

>>59729840
buy the 7700k goy, you need to support our greatest ally! Or are you a Nazi?

>>59729840
>quad cores in 2017
Some people can't be reasoned with.

>>59729868
>>59729882
Don't listen to these Ryzen shills, get Intel and don't look back.
Here is the philosophy of waitfags:
>you have 2 bottles of milk in your fridge, one is old one is new.
>drink the old one first, in the meantime the new one becomes old
>now buy a new bottle of milk, and repeat
They get cheap shitty components over and over rather than buying a new top-of-the-line component and using it for 5 years.
And they're always defending their meme component, invalidating benchmarks, and swearing the next model will btfo intel
>protip: it never has, and it never will

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I'm building a PC for gaming, developing games, and other miscellaneous tasks like emulation, 3D-modeling, and video editing.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LNrkyf

I'm not sure what to get for the CPU, motherboard, and GPU.

RAM I plan to expand to 16GB but it'd be something I buy a little while after I put it all together. I'm not sure if that's a decent chip or not.

Between the two HDDs I only plant to buy one. Hitachi doesn't seem as popular as WD and I'm wondering why people stay away from them. They're cheaper and seem to have lower failure rates?

GPU I'm either getting a 1060 6GB or a RX 480 8GB as they're pretty much the same price where I live.

No clue what to get with the CPU. I'm hesitant about the new Ryzen stuff but Intel seems overpriced by comparison.

PSU will probably just be something EVGA that fits the wattage of the final build.

Not sure what to do on the Motherboard.

This might sound funny, but there can be a lot of money in it. What would be a cheap machine for running bots for video games like Hearthstone, WoW etc.? It's still going to need a lot of CPU to run calculations for turns etc. Most of the programs would be for Windows, since I'm not going to program my own.

>>59729943
So what do I get, 6700k or 7700k?

>>59729852
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS

>>59729984
>2017
>getting triggered by ponies

>>59729840
6700k for the exact reasons you stated.
7700k can require deliding even at stock speeds if you're unlucky, which is pretty fucking retarded.

Presumably you could RMA it in that case instead of delid, but what a hassle either way.

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>>59729852
>>59729995
>>59729996
this is your mindset barneyfags.

>>59730012
I love you
you love me
let's all go and watch pony

Reminder:
ebates+groupon to buy newegg gift cards for 19% +$10 discount expires in 2 hours, for those in the USA.

>>59729970
Ryzen, obviously. But you have to define "cheap".

>>59729968
The 7700k will be about 20% better for most emulators since they're usually single threaded and aren't open source and compiled to take advantage of Ryzen's 4 complex cycles per instruction like some other emulators, but everything else you described calls for a 1700 or 1600X.

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does anybody have a silverstone sg13b? thinking of cramming all my shit into it but i'm not sure if i can get away with fitting my fuckhuge psu in. Silverstone says that the max is 150mm but i was wondering if i can use my 180mm corsair hx850. Fits a 12" gpu.

>>59730111
Trips confirm ponies are nothing to get triggered by.

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>>59730012
Sup Lee

Still haven't kys i see

>>59723019
Get a vacuum cleaner and clean your shit, theres no excuse for letting cat hair accumulate like that. Are you a hoarder or something? I can only imagine the horrible smell. . .

>>59730177
not until the last barneyfag kills himself

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>>59730158
>>59730169
>>59730195

Did /g/ merged with /mlp/?

>>59730205
Yes, we /mlg/ now.

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>>59730189
It's literally not happening.

So many people learned the joys of cute horses this weekend, this ride will not stop.

>>59730158
>>59730169
>>59730195
>>59730209
>>59730224
>>59730240
>>59730254

I want Phoneposting barneyfags to leave and kill themselves on the way out.

>>59728632
lol $115 for windows 10, good goy

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>>59730256
How's your first day going?

>>59724652
www.logicalincrements.com

>>59730216
>/mlg/
So then where all my Mountain Dew ads and lens flares?

>>59730273
That site is always outdated.
It's okay, but you can't blindly go by it. Sales change by the day and drastically change where things place.

Is upgrading a 2500K worth it right now? Gonna be changing pretty much everything inside my comp except for hard drives and the video card. Looking at either 7600K or 1600X at the moment. I tend to run multiple games at once sometimes (MMO + Something else), but nothing more taxing than that.

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>>59730291
Here you go.

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>>59730291
Shit nigga, all you gotta do is ask

>>59730322
https://pcpartpicker.com/

>>59730341
0/10 no lens flares

>>59730346
and pcpartpicker doesn't list rebates.

Froogle can work, or just straight up searching newegg as they often have the cheapest prices.

>>59730326
Yes, I went from a 2500k to a 6600k for my last upgrade, I feel it was well worth it. Your use case especially.

>>59730369
>and pcpartpicker doesn't list rebates.
Are you retarded? Yes it does.

>>59730348
We're trying.

1070 on sale for $320.
Newegg via ebay http://m.ebay.com/itm/ZOTAC-GeForce-GTX-1070-DirectX-12-ZT-P10700I-10P-8GB-256-Bit-GDDR5-PCI-Express-3-/292041166887?hash=item43ff029027%3Ag%3AmZQAAOSw2gxY3QPg&_trkparms=pageci%253A5187db4e-188e-11e7-b384-74dbd180d2d3%257Cparentrq%253A34be00da15b0a6a5d2ed9199fffd6119%257Ciid%253A2

And the 1080 for $420 is back.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GIGABYTE-GeForce-GTX-1080-DirectX-12-GV-N1080D5X-8GD-8GB-256-Bit-GDDR5X-PCI-Expr-/291974688954?hash=item43fb0c30ba:g:HJcAAOSwzgBY3NTM

>>59730380
Really? For me it doesn't. I use the site all the time, and it never shows price after rebate for me or that there is a rebate. I must have some messed up setting, because now that I think of it I see MIR on other's screenshots but never when I visit the site myself.

>>59730346
I unironically want that liquid cooling wih the mt dew logo on it, more official looking even.

>>59730348
Well. You've discovered a horrible flaw in our fanbase. There are only meme nine pony images with lens flares and they're all shit.

Well we're done here. Thanks for or the fun you nerds.

/mlp/ out (for now)

>>59730346
why not just buy a larger case?

>>59730395
And with an orange, triangular case?

>>59728350
If you're still around, you could get an i3-6100 for $88 if you're US.
http://www.frys.com/product/9085657
12% higher clocks and especially the better iGPU makes it better for a dGPU-less system.

>>59730493
> triangular case?
Alienware

>>59730487
why not buy smaller components?

So, you guys, what's the point of making 15mm 2.5inch 4TB drives? Why not just keep them on the 3.5 inch form factor since they wont fit on laptops anyway?

>>59730529
Because manufacturers are stupid and it's a good excuse to charge too much for it.

>>59730529
Because you can fit 4 2.5" dives in the space of 1 4x5.75" and most consumers don't need over 4TB.
2.5" was also the standard for SATA SSDs.

Reduced shipping costs, material costs, and so on.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ghs2f8 (i already have an ssd)
does the monitor look good? should i try and get one with speakers?

So, let's say you have like 20 spare HDDs lying around, each of them different size (smallest one 140GB, biggest 4TB).
How would you organize them into one large NAS volume, while:
>having some redundancy, maintain at least 2 copies of everything
>not wasting TBs of HDD space that will now forever be empty because can't slap together drives of different sizes
>being able to add new drives at will, one at a time
>being able to replace current drives at will
Can't use RAID without wasting space because of different drive sizes.
Can't use ZFS because apparently it doesn't let you just add a one new drive anytime you want while maintaining redundancy.
Looked into Ceph, and it seems like the best solution so far. Start a separate instance of the whatever-you-call-it storage daemon for each drive, and let the software handle the rest.
Any other solutions?

tldr: I want a DIY NAS server that works like a Drobo, how do?

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>>59730650
>you have like 20 spare HDD
What the fuck, did you rob a best buy?

>>59730632
>should i try and get one with speakers?
if you hate your ears, sure. But obviously you're on a budget and can't get a $100 pair of speakers or sound bar.

>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ghs2f8
The price of that RX480 approaches 1060 territory. Why so expensive?
There was like a $188 one or something posted earlier, and there should be a $200 or less one on newegg.
I'm guessing Jet's stuff brings it around $205, but still, idk, it says "unavailable" when I view it.

Besides that, your main problem is that an i5-7500 isn't worth buying when a 1400 OC'd to 3.8 gets you 25-40% better performance on average for the same cost. Or just get a 1500X.
Or just drop down to the G4560 or that $88 i3-7100 posted earlier to further save money.

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Hey guys, pretty much decided on this, just wondering if there are any major red flags?

I am from Australia and I will be using it for programming and running DAW's with some medium gaming (Skyrim for example, that's why I didn't pick a super high end GPU).

>>59729974
Get a 7700k

>>59730775
why not just get a 500GB SSD and add a 1TB HDD on later when you need it?

Case is really fucking massive, too. Are you sure about that?

>>59730671
Some are from old laptops that broke for one reason or another, some are from old PCs that I replaced, some are taken out of external HDDs when I bought a bigger one, some were given to me by family/neighbours...
Tbh I'm not sure ALL of them actually work, but most should.

Actually now you reminded me I should have one more old external HDD somewhere in the basement, brb.

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>>59730847
>brb
Please leave

>>59730775
what are you gonna be using it for? are you sure you dont wanna get one of the cheaper 1070's instead? and i hope you realise how bloody big that case is.

I got memed by double threads. Just mostly looking for PSU wattage recommendation.

>r9 390x
>R7 1700
>Tomahawk b350
>G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series (2 x 8GB) DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200
>250gb 2.5" SSD
>1TB HDD

>>59730901
Get a 750 watt
Seasonic or Superflower platforms are best.

>>59730879

There should be a note in the OP that reminds/notifies new builders of case size vs requirements.

Logicalincrements goes right into recommending mid and full-towers without any explanation, and few posters on /pcbg/ seems to bat an eye when a neophyte wants a big case.

I built my first PC a while back (6700k, 1080, M.2, Maximus ATX mobo) and my biggest regret is going with a mid-tower case. IMHO, if you're going with a single GPU and don't need several hard drives, there's no reason for anything bigger than ITX.

>>59730862
>Much secret language
Fuck off dude.

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>>59730961
>brb
>secret
Is it 199 fucking 5?
Seriously, leave.

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>>59730953
wanna buy an 850w for $50? gently used just replaced sparkplugs, headgasket, waterpump, and oil.

>>59730997
meant for this anon >>59730901

>>59731013
>>59730997
What model

>>59730901
550watt is fine. 650w max.
A good 550watt will really handle 600-625, but you will likely not go over 400 99% of the time anyway.

>>59730953
Yeah I took out logicalincrements because it's shit like that and various ways... but the OP is at the bump limit.
I tried to cut it down more. Hard to add the details of GPUs to consider 'cause other countries, and add that too.
The suggestion of getting a 6700k or locked i7 seemed more important, too.

>I built my first PC a while back (6700k, 1080, M.2, Maximus ATX mobo) and my biggest regret is going with a mid-tower case.
Aye. I got this 500R because my GPU was like 13.8" long so I needed something with removable HDD space. And I think this case is too big! But that phantek case has almost as much space with the hdd's there than with mine removed.
And GPUs are smaller now days, and getting smaller still.

>>59731017
>>59730149
corsair hx850

>>59731028
>A good 550watt will really handle 600-625
Do not listen to this person, he clearly has brain damage.

>>59731045
Not a huge fan of Channel Well

requirements for PSU in order of importance:
You need torture-test wattage to be under 110% of the rating unless it's a shitty one
You want average load usage to be around 50% PSU rating (ie 550watt if it's 275watt)
You want idle wattage to be 10% of the rating (this is about 45watts total system for an 1700 and newer gpu, less with B350 instead of X370)

>>59731047
Check PSU reviews. They test what wattage they remain stable at.
Either Anandtech is wrong, or you are. Which is more likely, fucktard?

>>59731069
>Either Anandtech is wrong, or you are. Which is more likely, fucktard?
You are going to either make someone buy something they cant use or you are going to damage their system, fuck off you piece of shit.

>>59730708
which rx 480 model do you recommend?

>>59731110
>which rx 480 model do you recommend?
Cheapest that's not one of those badly rated powercolor. What's the cheapest ones on newegg and amazon right now for 8GB models?
Not worth spending $50 more for an XFX GTR.

>>59731028

I don't know if LI.com qualifies as shit, because it does offer a nice starting point for first time builders. They just need to take a second look at their methodology behind the recommendations.

But for your build, the 3200mhz RAM might be overkill. I know /pcbg/ always recommends it, but there's minimal performance benefit. I use 4x4GB @ 2133mhz and it still crushes anything I throw at it.

Also try to re-do the whole thing with an ITX build, cheaper RAM, and a smaller PSU.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/PZLG6X

That's just an idea of what you could do. There is a lot of room to trim fat

>>59731180
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01J3TZJOA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

i was going to get this one. i have an amazon card that will lower it to around $180

>>59731217
It's shit because it doesn't factor in what someone wants to do with something.
Like whether they just want an emulator machine, run a lot of bots, gaming, multiple games at once, development, modeling/rendering, etc.

It's also not aware of sales.
Like the i3-7100 being $88 changes everything.
When an RX470 drops to $120 which happens a lot, that changes everything.
It's telling people to spend $140 on a 1050Ti and that that's "good" when a RX470 frequently . That's the opposite of helpful.

It leads people into these traps where they thing "do I just buy everything on the 'good' line or 'great' line and that's a good build?"
A $190 3GB 1060, $120 i3-7100 (okay it's $88 now, but whatever), and a $115 Z270 motherboard with a locked i3? What an overpriced dumpster build.

It's also bias in attempts to not be. To simply list parts as they are and ASSUME that the relatively price represents a certain performance bracket is completely misleading to people.

If it was a "smarter" web app, it'd be good. As just a list of parts in a table just makes it useless.
You're best off going on pcpartspicker, picking compatible parts with the help of that, then going to newegg to look at review and further narrow down what might be similar but better reviewed for motherboard, PSU, and so on.

>>59731267
Yes, that's great.
It's a decent card and very good price.

>>59731217
You replied to the wrong person for the aus build.

And that's mATX, not ITX.

>>59730879
>>59730837
>>59730775


Whats a better case for the same or less price then?

>>59731462
Well that's like 2 inches deeper, 2 inches wider, and an inch taller than my 500R. It's massive, and I dislike how big this 500R is.

I think the case recommended by >>59731217 in that build is pretty great.
It's 50 aud cheaper, and looks better too imo. That's one I usually recommend to people for a decent quality mATX case as well.

Otherwise I would usually recommend the tiny and super cheap Rosewill SRM-01 since it's $20-$30 in America and looks nice and has a nice layout for the price.

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>>59730775
>>59730837
>>59730879

Is this any better?

>>59731526
The Define R5 is definitely better than the previous, and if you want to stick with ATX. That's about 10% smaller of a case.

There's still way smaller possibilities for full ATX that will still fit 3 1080Tis, at least two HDDs and SSDs, optical drive, etc.

RIOTORO CR1080 comes to mind. It's 75% the height, same length, and about 20% wider. It's an efficient layout for ATX.

Really the case I liked the most was my Cooler Master Elite 360. Almost no one ever believes an ATX fits in there. Too bad they don't make more like that. Makes me fucking sad.

>>59731609
>>59731616

What is a good sales price for a gtx 1080, is the 419.99 on ebay really good or just okay?

>>59731352

>emulator machine
>lots of bots
>development
>modeling/rendering

If someone is doing niche work like that, they'd either buy a pre-built or they'd know what they were looking for. Bad argument.

It's for -beginners- as a -starting point- (and a free one at that) so if a person like myself who took their word as gospel on everything without doing any other research regrets their decision, they deserve it for laziness.

>>59731853
Yes, the $420 on ebay right now is as cheap as I have seen it.

I heard people were getting 10% ebay cash back so it's $380, but I don't know about that.

>>59731871
Way to completely ignore the example of how shit of a computer you make if you just pick parts along a line from LI.com

>>59731416

There are no ITX motherboards for Ryzen, because Ryzen sucks.

>>59731884
>There are no ITX motherboards for Ryzen
Yes, there aren't yet.
>because Ryzen sucks.
haHa wow what a good one ur gonna bait someone so hard there

Should I upgrade a 2500k? Thinking of getting a 6800k bundle from micro center or ryzen 1700x bundle. Will do some over clocking though nothing too extreme. Will use it for light gaming(league of legends, runescape), productivity tasks and software programming(vlsi, matlab, autocas). What do you guys recommend?

>>59731883

>ignore the example

Because it was an awful example? What intelligent person would do that? Who just takes anyone's word at face value and goes with it 100% rather than doing their own research?

I'm saying LI.com is imperfect, but it's far from shit. You just think it's shit because you know the difference between an i3 vs i5 vs i7 and amd vs nvidia and atx vs itx and etc etc. But to a person with zero knowledge, it gives them a chance to look at a general hierarchy of parts by component type, and then they (if they're not an idiot) can go off and do their own research and find out that it's not a good idea to buy two 1070s when you can get a 1080ti instead. Or find out when an 8 core R7 is preferable to a 4 core i7 or etc etc.

I think it's a great idea, but I'm also only a little over a year removed from getting into PC building so LI.com gave me a ton of help. And as far as a 'smart app' goes, design one yourself.

>>59730341
I'd like to point out that this is still here. Are the mods around here actually chill?

>>59731933

Just look at benchmarks

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-review,4987-7.html

The 7700k beats the 1700x in just about every productivity suite.

>>59731944
>What intelligent person would do that?
That's exactly the fucking point.

Most of /g/ isn't intelligent. Every thread you have someone asking "hey should i just pick one item each from the 'great' category"? And that's how you get shit builds.

LI.com has no use.

pcpartpicker.com is a lot "smarter" in figuring out what goes together for people. They can click CPUs and find one in their budget there. Or look at premade builds by others there.
There's no reason to not just have pcpartpicker in the OP, hence why other thread starters started leaving out LI.com too?

idk if you want to make the next one and try to improve the OP, go ahead. I know it can be improved (like someone suggested to suggest mATX), but I don't think wasting space with LI.com in there helps at all.
I'm not since the other one is still up, even though this one is past the bump limit.

>>59731973
>tom's shillware.
If you want some laughs, go look back in history at their shilling for Intel back in 2000-2007 when AMD was completely shit stomping them in every way, in every segment. Back when $350 AMD CPUs completely destroyed $1000 Intel CPUs.
... kind of like the 1700 and 6900k.