Why does technology suck these days?

>>59709518
What is there even left to discuss if both anime and Linux are left out?

>>59709479
>mobile devices reaching peak performance every couple of months

>desktop computers reaching photorealistic performance to make Virtual Reality more feasible

>bluetooth speaker so compact, yet deliver bass and detail articulation beyond expectation

>TV's have become more stunning and life like with OLED technology and further increase in pixel density


the best is yet to come, fucking holograms, hyperloops and autonomous cars.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU MISSING ANON, WE'RE STILL ON THE BLEEDING EDGE, AINT WE

>>59709479
it's not because technology is boring.. it's because you're old now OP

I can say that I agree with you despite not having nostalgia being the reason. Bought an Amiga 3000 from a car boot sale for £5 (guy didn't even know what it was besides "son's old computer" and I only knew the name Amiga), and I've been having a blast with it. I can't believe that there's still software made for it on AmiNet...Just have to work out how to get it on, since it's all just a case of floppies of various programs at the moment.

>>59709479
At least it's all a hell of a lot cheaper. I can actually afford multiple laptops, PCs, monitors, a big TV, etc. without destroying my bank account.

>>59709479
This looks like bulky slow shit, I much prefer things now.

>>59709479
You're missing that everything is smaller, and cheaper. Don't you realize how amazing it is that you can buy a fully working computer, complete with networking, display and input for like $20? And it fits in your pocket? That's some crazy shit.

>>59709617
OP here. I suspect that you're partially right, but honestly there isn't really *new* technology today like there was in the past. *Improved* technology, sure, we have it coming out our ears. But *new*? I guess maybe VR might be that, but beyond that there isn't anything.

Cause really we've hit a wall performance wise. What's the point of upgrading your graphics card or cpu (and blowing loads of $$) when what you have now will deliver 100+ fps with all bells and whistles turned on at high res in all your games. or being a dumb ass blowing your money on a faster cpu to cut video encoding time from for ex 30 min down to maybe 15 min. Really, you blew $400 just to save 15 min? The only thing that is worth while anymore is the constant need for expanding storage capacity. Drives are cheap, External enclosures are cheap, being able to cram an 8TB drive into an external enclosure without going bankrupt is a big win for everyone. Or dumping Win 7 for Ten, Really how is Ten gonna affect what you do now with 7? Pretty much all it'll do is cause you massive headaches.

because all new attempts at new technology are immediately regarded at 'gimmicks' by the geniuses here and elsewhere ie oculus rift.

>>59709848
I haven't updated any of my components for about 8 years and it's still kicking. On one hand it's good to save money, on the other...Well...At this point I'll only ever replace not upgrade.

>>59709479
The next iteration of Ryzen is getting me excited.

>>59709479
>Today, though, technology is... boring.
-OLEDs
-Fuck we have ENDGAME resolutions just on the doorstep of being affordable with Dell's $5000 4320p monitors.
-SSDs are finally affordable and instant OS starts ups are taken for granted now
-Can watch HD porn whenever you want

Computer tech in the 90s was terrible. Consoles on the other hand were great.
>>59709848
Wrong and anything related to a wall is console shit.

>>59709885
There's always been gimmicks, like VR, whose only contribution to humanity has been Ashen's Tech Dump.

>>59709970
except its one attempt at actual innovation, instead of incrementally improving what we already have

I kinda agree with OP. I mean hell back in the day when I upgraded from a 3DFX Voodoo 3 2000 to a Radeon (Original V1) I saw the difference in both visual and fps with Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament, + other games of the era. I still play those games today. Now a 6800GT (2005 era) would give you 100+ fps in those titles no question so it'd be pointless to upgrade it. So yeah you'd be throwing you money away for no gain.

>>59709479
>There really isn't anything new, and what passes for new these days are just small iterations on what has come before

Welcome to the world of corporate consolidation where any company that even thinks about doing something innovative gets bought up by the big guys and their ideas bastardized.

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/04/02/where-have-all-the-public-companies-gone/

If you just want to improve on what another company is doing prepare to be sued into the ground. Even the big guys have to hold massive arsenals of patents to protect themselves. So much for market economies and competition.

>>59709953
SSDs are amazing, I can never go back to OS/programs on slow-ass HDDs
The unending fire hydrant of porn is pretty ridiculous

>>59710048
Fell for the SSD meme.

>>59709479
see
>>59710815

Government is too large and powerful

a) allowing all sorts of large incumbent corporations/industries (via lobbying and other political influence) to maintain the status quo and suppress any kind of new radical disruption that would render them obsolete

b) prolonged economic stagnation and boom-bust wealth destruction due to Fed monopoly control and mismanagement of currency and interest rates

I don't think modern technology is boring, but I hate the fact that pretty much everything is a botnet nowadays

>>59709479
Wrong.

Back then advancement was in such a way it directly led to new consumer products. Progress and consumerism worked together. People kept making progress because they knew if they did people will gleefully give tons of cash. Around 2007-2008 the basic standard of computing power was enough for pretty much any and all normies. Almost any laptop or desktop would be just fine for facebook and youtube. With that, suddenly normies had no reason to care for computer speed improvements, their demand vanished. This would have been a pretty major shift in the market, however, things were kind stretched out a bit because of gaymen. Thanks to gaming becoming more of a normie thing, there was still some market that wants *new* tech. As time has passed though, and gaming became more and more normie, the ones actually buying high end systems tend to be less and less informed, and therefore more susceptable to consumerism and advertising. AND here we have Today...tons of normie gamurs with SiCK RIGZ So MuCh PoWeR! except not really because they've just been buying the next iteration of same tech.

Currently there is no major market demanding real quality progress, instead just consumers demanding an appearance of progress.

>>59711644
woops forgot that I wrote a 'Wrong' at the start.

I wrote that because the truth is we're just in a lul right now but as VR and AI begin to require more power, innovation will occur. Progress drives progress. Consumers drive consumerism. Consumers have been the driving force most of the last 10 years which is why everything is shit.

So..partially wrong. You're right that shits shit right now but it won't be for long.

>>59709479
I remember when I got my first modem. It came with a nice, thick instruction manual. 80 pages full of detailed info, diagnostic codes, everything I would need to tinker with it.

Today, you're lucky if your shiny new purchase comes with a 3-step picture guide for pressing the power button.

I miss the old internet. Just discovering weird and interesting websites. Getting an OS killing virus every 6 months or so and having to reformat. The internet is far too safe these days.

>>59711495
This.
Is sad that the alternative is just as bad in our current society.

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>>59709518
>on an anonymous anime imageboard
>shilling your tripfag circlejerk irc

>>59709479
If your talking about gaming (like your pic) consoles killed PC gaming as a primary development platform. Everything is multi-platform with PC as an afterthought. Consoles have far more profit to be made from. The last big AAA PC game to come out and push boundaries was the original Crysis which came out in 2007 (10 years ago). This stagnation has curtailed the need to upgrade every six months for gaymen.

But for home PCs in general, their performance plateaued for what most people needed them for (which is just web browsing or office type stuff). There is not a huge market for upgrading every six months like there was in the past (just like with gaming hardware).

Smartphone performance has sorta plateaued as well, even though performance is still increasing. Most people will be good with a high end phone from 2004/5 because all most people do is check social media/web browsing.

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>>59709518
So basically a glorified /v/ chat room?
get >>>/out/ you don't belong here.
You fail to realize why some of us use Linux and why most of the times OS choices don't really matter unless for retarded /v/ babies like (You).

>>59709599
>autonomous cars
>hyperloops
>holograms
>yet to come
They are here already and all of those things failed to impress me anymore, but your surprise about them surprises me. What good are you seeing in them?

>>59709479
>SJWs
>die-versity
>mommy coders
>pajeet
>botnet
>losers trying to reinvent what worked great for years

>>59709479
live in cage

>>59711717
I get what you're trying to say, but what is wrong with optimizing the most common use case?

>>59709479
It's because you're living in the normie consumerverse.

Come on over to the enterprise side of things, much more interesting.

>>59709479
>>59709479
I don't think this is a major part of it, but I feel as if technology today is too focused on looking as sleek or flashy as possible because they've all hopped onto the same train Apple took when they started putting out eMacs. It makes everything you see out there blur together so they all just look the same despite any real differences going on in the actual hardware/software.

>>59709749
Because technology isn't what you're used to calling technology any more. Technology has always been a word used to describe something that really was almost entirely in the realm of scientists and engineers. Before consumer electronics were around, technology would probably have probably been a word used to describe engines, miniaturization, factory automation or business automation machines that would barely be recognized as computers today (but are probably computers). Before that, it probably would have been used to describe things like what we'd consider simple metallurgy, standardization and replaceable parts, and the creation of accurate measurement tools.

Eventually, all of these things become normal, and we stop thinking about them as being special, or, "technology". Electronics are no longer technology. I'm not sure what the next "technology" is, but it's not computers any more.

There's an actually good TED talk about this from when TED was good (pre-TEDx, 2008 or so) where the presenter tells the story of his parents' first date, and then points out that nobody in the crowd was shocked that his dad just happened to have a horseless carriage with an internal combustion engine in it. That's what computers and the internet have become: not an impressive and special part of life, but a thing with implied existence that is recognized by the public as ordinary.

>>59709479
home computing matured

there's only so much you can do to accelerate algorithms and workloads that were pretty much perfected by the late 1970s

where an upgrade used to make a difference in seconds to even minutes for some everyday tasks, now it's often just a difference of milliseconds, to the point that even something twice as fast is going to be imperceptibly quicker for most jobs

moore's law was never anything more than an astute observation

>>59713238
>but I feel as if technology today is too focused on looking as sleek or flashy as possible
you all say this but the reality is the opposite; nobody gives a fuck about design at all anymore and that's actually a problem, OEMs don't give a shit about making something interesting, unique or worth admiration, they just hop onto a given trend, shit out something safe and boring that appeals to the lowest common denominator and then have foxconn slap it on a frame and call it a day

minimalist cancer today makes it even more apparent, because there's only so many ways you can design a product in that way and ultimately everything ends up looking like a piece of shit macbook clone, even Apple doesn't design shit anymore and hasn't changed up their general formula since 2009

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>>59712128
>LOOK AT ME I USE LINUX I AM BETTER THAN YOU

>>59714122
he wasn't necessarily unfounded in the statement considering it was your ilk who got buttblasted about it first

people who jerk it to GNU/Shit all day are annoying as fuck and usually just as brainless as /v/irgins but most people who run it on here are neither, they just like it, big deal

>>59709479
not a nostalgiafag -- incredibly excited by the fact that we have fully capable computers in our pockets, web browsers that are bordering on powerful enough to host fully capable graphical applications, unified toolchains like electron for distributing cross-platform applications, and an industry full of old players having fires lit under their asses by each other to become more and more open source and create actually innovative products instead of worry about paper racing.

>>59709479
>be me 2001
>score a heavily abused sony monitor for like 50 bucks
>use it daily from 2001-2009
>give it to grandma when I moved out of state
>switched on 2-3h daily for card games and puzzles and shit
>my fucking face when it looks better than the asus predator and benq XL I bought in the last year

It's really funny what passes for quality these days, there is basically nobody making quality peripherals like in the early home computing era

>>59714347
>480i
>looking better than modern 1080p or 1440p
You got some pretty terrible genes, May want to consider not reproducing.

>>59709532

your mom

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>>59709479
>Why does technology suck these days?

It doesn't.

But, guess who does?

>>59714393
well image quality and sharpness of CRTs are p. nice, but resolution can't be beat on LCDs

>480
given the time frame, i'm sure it was at least a 1024x768 if not 1280x1024

>>59714426
>CRTs
>sharpness
You need to stop kid.

>>59714432
>he thinks all crts are trinitrons

>>59714452
Stop

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>>59709479
Haven't seen anything new in tech since 98.

>>59714456
your post looks very crisp in 2048x1536 at 85hz

>>59714393
Since when did monitors come in 480i? mid line aperture tubes supported 1800x1440 before you were born newfag

>>59709599
>typing

>like

>this

back to plebbit you go

>>59714393
> i
Not sure what do you mean by that, interlace is a TV thing.

>>59710038
The government has always been in the pocket of corporations,you can thank lobbying for that.

>>59714393
>>59714432
>confusing vga pc monitors with pleb tier tv shit
This is unacceptable, /g/.

>>59709479
>why did technology seem cooler when I was still in diapers?
Gee anon, no fucking clue.

>>59711644
>>59711685
it always boils down to normies, the destroy EVERYTHING they touch.

Seems like ever since the i5/i7 line of cpus came out shit has become more locked down and intentionally cripled. probably when the cia got serious about their surveilance shit and really clamped down on what us plebs are allowed access.

>>59714472
>>59714474
>>59714482
>>59714496
Monitors can accept interlaced content you underage retards.

>>59712547
>autonomous cars

The ability to live where I want not close to work because I can be doing something else other then driving for 30 minutes to 4 hours a day.

autonomous cars also implies electric, which means that distance is also cheaper then its ever been to travel.

It would be nice to live somewhere outside a city, get dropped off by my car, have my car drive itself to a garage, and when I'm done have my car come to pick me up.

Hell, I could probably set up some kind of curtains or box in the car that would allow me to watch porn and jerk off, and if wireless data gets a kick in the ass, probably watch shit on the go too.

>>59714258
Imagine how annoying the brainded hordes like you who don't do much, just trashtalk an OS with 2% marketshare. This is the best you can do? Twat.

>>59709479
>there were always new things to look forward to, and advances in many different technologies were happening almost daily.
Because you actually saw benefit from that new technology. For most uses outside gaming (which has been in a downward spiral as of recently) and niche uses, computers were powerful enough a decade ago for anything most people might want to use them for. Ever since then companies have just been rolling out more bloated software to suck up all the additional resources you could supply it with todays hardware making most hardware upgrades feel like some shitty RPG scaling (ex. multi core support for modern web browsers to improve performance, for a fucking web browser on computers with modern clock speeds). Also, as time has gone on and more people who are less knowledgeable about computers have started using computers, companies have started stripping out features and doing shit to piss off people who actually care (see most of Microsoft's recent decisions and the capabilities of software available for smartphones vs what was available on UMPCs). The last time I was seriously impressed with new hardware was when I finally got around to purchasing an SSD.

Honestly, the most fun I've had with computers in recent years has been seeing how weak of a computer is actually good enough for my needs when it isn't running tons of bloatware.

>>59709599
>mobile devices reaching peak performance every couple of months
Who fucking cares when you literally can do nothing on them of use, and dare play a game in public and you are now an autist no matter what you do so may as well play a real game on a real system with real controls instead.

>desktop computers reaching photorealistic performance to make Virtual Reality more feasible

As of right now, vr is not worth it and its arguable will not be worth it.

See, for me the main use of vr is as a monitor, an

23040 x 8640

It would be 4 4k monitors tall, 6 4k wide and 120 vertical degrees and 160-180 horizontal. possibly full panoramic.

But current hmd have a massive issue with focusing, and its not something I think we are going to solve, at least cheaply, as its a mechanical issue, distance from eye to lense, lense to screen, yea... not a cheap fix and breaks the vast majority of what I want vr fro right there.

>bluetooth speaker so compact, yet deliver bass and detail articulation beyond expectation

audio has been a solved problem upwards 50 years ago, and a good 10 years ago manufacturing caught up to make high end relatively cheap. blue tooth itself is not interesting,

>TV's have become more stunning and life like with OLED technology and further increase in pixel density

we had a what 40-50 year run on b&w crt
we had a 40-50 year run on color crt
we had plasma, which went away
we regressed to lcd in quality
and we keep getting teased that we will get something better within the next 2 years for the past 15 years... yea, fuck display tech.


we use to get teased shit, and the shit would actually come out, and after it came out it would get cheap, we are going on what, i want to say over 15 years on being teased about oled's?

>>59709479
maybe you finally learned that technologies do not make our lives better

>>59709741
you cant, the shit costs over 300$ and in america at least, all contracts where you have a smart device are put on plans assuming you are paying said device off.

but smaller and thinner part...

I don't want shit smaller or thinner, I fucking despise how smartphones feel in my hand. more portable sure, but for their intended use they suck.

I want my shit properly cooled so it doesn't throttle, or run at a constant 80c because 'its cool enough to not impact performance'

I don't want non replaceable batteries, hell, if you could make it work with AA's that would be fucking fantastic,

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you got old and depressed, you now see the true value of things, and look back to the past with watery eyes, not because it was that much better, but because you were more excited about bs back then
you're nostalgia is just that, nostalgia, not well deserving praise for the past or critique on the present
now stfu and make '90s kids will remember' memes

>>59709953
teased about oleds for almost as long as I have been alive, and the only place I have seen them for favorable prices are tablets and phones.

get me a nice 48inch oled tv I can use as a monitor and then we will talk.

end game resolutions... yea... and all I want are nice 100~ ppi monitors as I don't like scaling shit 100 ppi is good enough, passed this I want screen real estate so I don't need more then one monitor, I want a 48 inch 4k so I can have the equivalent of 4 1080p's

ssd's have largely stagnated, and the only advancement is the controllers, which cost stupid amounts of money, yet show no real world upgrades to even sata drives for real world performance outside of unicorn programs or uncompressed data sets.

>>59714692
>and dare play a game in public and you are now an autist
Is this actually a problem for people?

>>59709953
Oh, I forgot, all the hd porn i want? and yet I fall back on photography because listening to all the fake moaning and horribly acted lines is a massive turn off.

>>59714745
me personally, I'm not trying to impress anyone and I don't care what they think of me, so no, but most people do have this as a massive issue.

>>59714751
>and yet I fall back on photography because listening to all the fake moaning and horribly acted lines is a massive turn off.
It pisses me off how much porn now days is videos. I just want pictures but there are so many videos today if I'm just searching for it that I actually need to exclude video sites a good portion of the time to get usable search results.

>>59714753
I'm not gonna lie I really don't socialize much, but the only time I've ever heard someone go on about people being autists because they play handheld games in public has been on 4chan.

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>>59714724
>mfw that picture is true

There are numerous reasons, but here's the main three:
1. You got used to technology since it's part of your everyday life now.
2. The software is more consumer friendly, meaning it's dumbed-down and boring.
3. Everything is on-demand, there are no real challenges for the user. Even the majority of development projects is just using apis and copy pasting code.

>>59714724
See >>59714686, it isn't nostalgia.

>>59714786
this is just a number of years ago, but I had a ds, and would be doing shit for goddamn ever at a family gathering so I brought it along, decided to play a game with sound off, as I am aware enough I don't want everyone else to be brought into what I am doing.

Get told by all my immediate family to stop playing games because its embarrassing. get threatened a bit later, and because I was just out of highschool with nothing to fall back on if they follow through with the threats, put the ds away.

So here I am, in a building, only family around me, no one to talk to, nothing to do, for upwards 6 fucking hours, watching the few kids that are there being allowed to play games, slowly hating my family for bringing me along.when they knew this would be the result.

yea, normal people have a massive disdain for games and see you as an embarrassment for playing them in public, or at all really.

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>>59709479

dude what

If we're talking about computers, things are fucking awesome. Hardware is a lot cheaper than it was back then because it lasts longer. 6 years on the same CPU? Unimaginable, yet here I am without feeling any pressure to upgrade. Is that "exciting"? Probably not, but the premise of having more money to spare on other things is a lot more exciting to me. Software is incomparably better today. And if you're addicted to waiting for things for some reason, there's always something to look forward to there.

I don't want to go back to my 386, fuck no. Especially not to whatever the fuck I had in the late '90s. All I remember is having to upgrade all the time if I wanted to keep up with gaming. Photo editing wasn't that exciting because digital cameras were bad as well as expensive. Music production was a chore - not that it isn't today in many ways, but at least our computers can handle near anything you throw at them. Run a dozen instances of fucking Serum - go right ahead bro, I don't mind. 6 year old CPU.

Why aren't you pining for the early 20 century automotive industry? I can think of a few reasons.

>everyone focuses on general platforms deficiencies but only touch lightly on the actual software and hardware which are the main factors.
>one mention of Moore's law and no mention of Dennard's law/scaling
>no mention of multithreading issues and how pretty much OpenMP is 'state of the art in that field without performance impact

I don't even actually want to contribute meaningfully here if this is a so called 'good thread'. I hate this place for its shallowness and ignorance 'excused' by shitposting where barely anyone has a clue about what they are talking about.

ITT selection bias.
https://betterhumans.coach.me/cognitive-bias-cheat-sheet-55a472476b18
read it.

>>59712921
my old modem would tell me exactly what was wrong, is the modem crashed, or is the cable company not sending data, is data not being sent out, what the fuck is going on.

my new one has nothing but an on led with no documentation what anything it does means.

>>59712053
crysis was the last 'cant play it on current hardware' game made that way not due to piss poor optimizations, not saying crysis was well optimized, but its better then some of the shit we get.

and as a profit per platform, pc gives them more money hands down, at least on a per game sold basis, consoles still have a massive used market and even piracy helps game devs more then that does.

for consumer hardware outside of the gpu, performance has been stagnant for the last 6 or so years, and don't give me the 2-5% intel gives as not stagnation. is an 8 core more then what we require for browsing the web? fucking absolutely and i dread the day its the minimum, but is it something we don't want?

most of what makes a smartphone useable is hardware accelerations and standards, a 2004-2005 would be completely un useable today.

>>59709479
I like cheap parts and not having to upgrade every year and sell off all my old stuff to recoup some of the costs. Still use an ivy as my main and it was cheaper than the 486 we had when I was a kid.My next build will be cheaper than it. its bretty gud times.

>>59714286
a computer in your pocket that can do nothing at all but show you a webpage... yay. locked down shit.

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>>59709479

>>59709479
that looks like the 80s. why are they playing Q3 if it hasn't been released yet

>>59709479
You just don't know where to look.

>>59715176
Why are you being a faggot if you know when q3 was released?

>>59709953
>-OLEDs
...Which we don't have. Only available in a minority of phones and overpriced TVs.

>Fuck we have ENDGAME resolutions
When top of the line GPUs can barely max games in 4k, windows scaling is horrible and there's little 4k content.

>SSDs are finally affordable and instant OS starts ups
Not really coming down much in price in the last years. Also boot times arent relevant since sleep was invented.

>Can watch HD porn whenever you want
It's hard enough to find good porn, it's almost never HD unless you want to watch some old roastie with fake tits.

>>59715270
the two aren't mutually exclusive

>>59714686
Regarding the weak pcs, i enjoy doing that, have a cheap laptop i got for 150, works fine for my needs of web browsing, watching anime and word processing, also runs games like portal 2 and aoe 2 hd

Also, RPI zero w i find interesting, has WiFi built in, can browse web, play games and other stuff, only 9 quid

Facinates me that for 9 pounds you can have a pc that is more powerful than early pcs in the 90s

>>59715282
alright man w/e, but those mt. dews and viewsonic crts are clearly late 90s early 2000

>>59715076
>2004-2005 would be completely un useable today
meant 2014/2015

>>59715339
>Not using a T-mobile sidekick in the current year

>>59715295
Pity the Pi and other SBCs don't have a dedicated OS that plays well with the hardware, is fast, and actually reasonably capable.

>>59714432
>>59714496
Much or most of the "blurryness" attributed to CRTs was just distortion introduced in the signal path to the monitor, some of the late Mitsubishi tubes used DVI and were crisp as fuck at supported resolutions, in fact the way they rendered a dot was arguably superior to any fixed pixel display I have ever seen

>>59715457
Yeah kinda sucks, i just like the fact that it's really bare bones and runs from a micro SD card

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>>59714937
this is why this place is so shitty most of the time
people with actual arguments and meaningful topics to discuss get pissed as people spew their own opinion while calling their opposition whatever demeaning thing they can think of
this is why we lurk, its exhausting trying to actively make this shitshow anything worthwhile. kinda an analogy for life, I guess

>>59711359
>>>59710048
>Fell for the SSD meme.

>implying ssds are a meme

Poor neet detected.

>>59715553

Place could become good overnight if the uninitiated were honest about being uninitiated. But at that point, you might as well go to a worthwhile hardware forum instead of /g/. /g/ is for kids to talk about their purchases, rile each other up as compensation for their low self esteem and to shitpost because they are bored.

>>59709479
>normie
You sound like a 6 year old child who just learned how to form his own insults such as "poopy-butt". Use your big boy words if you want other's to take you seriously you plebeian.

>>59709479
Back then we were looking for performance, specialization, fidelity. Now it's all about marketing, and efficiency was thrown out the window.

Just see how normies are using fucking quad core phones with 8GB RAM to run convoluted "apps" coded in meme languages running in a 100% proprietary framework to send 160 byte long messages on the internet.

We're not even excited about the future anymore, because we know it'll be shit. The day your android waifu will finally arrive, you know she'll ask you to register an account and accept a 800,000 word essay as an EULA before you can fuck her.

>>59715804
The worst part is that bloat is increasing faster than consumer hardware can deal with it.

Actually, no, the worst part is that things are getting so bloated and complex that we have to develop new technology to deal with it, which snowballs onwards.

It's actually insane to think how little has actually changed in terms of usage (when distilled down to its purest form) compared to the requirement to do it in terms of system resources.

>>59709620
tbqh this is how you should approach technology nowadays
You can get shit that would had been impossible for the regular Joe, from Sun and SGI workstations to PA-RISC/Alpha/Itanium servers for close to nothing
Or fully decked consumer computers

>>59709479
nah, it's onlky because back then it was simple enough so that even retard like you could get into it
it's like playing WOW at it's start vs playing WOW now
new technology are superrefined old ones, to learn new stuff you have to go back

>>59709532
Why would anyone want to talk about anime? There's nothing good since moe ruined everything.

>>59715951
You know what I've been thinking a lot about lately? How versatile these machines were compared to modern computers. What I mean by that is that they have a sound synthesiser built in, now it's just a shitty soundfont. A single example, I know, but one that I think shows how despite the massive increase in power of the CPU the end user hasn't actually gotten a more versatile machine in terms of dedicated usage.

I know it's because it's more profitable to boil it all down to three numbers (CPU, RAM, storage) but it does take away genuine consumer choice to say, for example, "A built in MIDI controller and synthesiser is more important to be than raw processing power".

I know that you can buy a computer and all the cards needed to do this for a fraction of the price compared to then, but that would be to miss the point that I'm making.

>>59715275
>When top of the line GPUs can barely max games in 4k, windows scaling is horrible and there's little 4k content
There are affordable 4k and 1440k ultra hd monitors now. The issue with GPUs is due to costly shader algorithms and games being made with 1080p in mind. Max settings are for screenshots. A game developer can always throw more shit on the screen and add more effects. Is it all necessary?

>>59716126
>Is it all necessary?

Considering the trend of """"""retro"""""" games being made now, a lot of people probably think not.

You were just younger.

>>59716158
I don't think you can write it off as just nostalgia, to do so defeats any possibility of debating what we did right then and what we're doing wrong now.

Why are websites such a pain now?

I could be sugar coating the past but I'm pretty sure I just got like 1 pop up and maybe a banner ad.

Like how in the hell is a site more laggy now (in terms of navigation) than the dial up days.

>go to cnn.com
>fan kicks on
>script blocked
>ads about one weird trick that your mom hates you for

What happened?

>>59709479
C-H-Y-N-A and Taiwan make basic bitch clones of everything and invent almost nothing novel or original, who would've guessed that technology would stagnate as they took over worldwide supply chains

>>59716254
Idiots. Now we have people making the web full of trash and say that we need invasive ads to host and serve all that shit. Yeah, that's true, they DO need extra income to host all that shit, but here's a novel idea: don't do the shit.

You could host a plain HTML site on a fucking Raspberry Pi for crying out loud.

>>59716254
And then they complain when you use ad blocking software. Motherfuckers, you did this to yourselves.

>>59716465
The worst ones are the ones that load a script to block you from viewing a site unless you have adverts allowed. If you block that script then you see that the site was already loaded in the background, so their costs have already been spend in sending you the data you want PLUS extra data in order to obscure that data.

The web was a mistake. Should have stuck with UseNet and BBSs.

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>>59709749
>VR is new

Err no.

https://youtu.be/SP8wSw4bBuA

>>59714840
My younger years in a nutshell

I'm so glad there's another anon I can relate with. Worse yet, I had a 'discussion' as my family asked why.

>Anon why do you just play games during family gatherings?

Because I don't have anything in common with anyone else. They like football and yachts and drama shows, I enjoy computer and technology related topics.

>so you're saying we're boring?!?!?!?!

N...never said that. I just said that since our interests differ so much that I do not have much in common.

>You're impossible and hopeless anon.

Fuck them.

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technology used to be about pushing the boundaries further and further, but somewhere along the way, that changed

now its about taking something we've had for years on PC, giving it a stupid name, and then selling it as something new to normies/phonefags

>>59717132
this comic is stupid. even though the first guy said 1080p, the fact that a big screen was drawn shows that this person is amazed at how big the tv is, in SIZE, not resolution.

yes, people find (or found because they're more common now) hdtv imrpessive because not so long ago tvs were less than 10 inches in size. now they're huge in comparison. the author of this comic just put a reference to resolution to make a point for his shitty conclusion

>>59717232
the left person doesn't mention size at all
did you seriously not hear anyone talk about how amazing "1080p" was back then?
if anything, the larger displays just made it all the more unimpressive, much smaller displays had comparable resolutions

>>59717315
1080p tvs were amazing when they came out because it coincided with 1080p content becoming readily available. unless you were super rich and had a d-vhs player, it wasn't until bluray/hd dvd that you could really start to get high res content. obviously high resolution screens had been around for a long time in the form of computer monitors, but you were limited to vhs and laserdisc resolutions for home film releases.

>>59717132
Boundaries are being pushed, just not in areas where there's no more room to push. Take a glance at recent advances in neural network field, for example.

>>59717132
Its impressive because its transmitted over the air for free

fucking hell I hate that autist

>>59717232
>the fact that a big screen was drawn shows that this person is amazed at how big the tv is, in SIZE, not resolution.

We've had big-screen TVs since the 1970s (see rear projection televisions).

>>59714470
wew lad
That's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Heard he's known as Jessica Stevens now.

>>59711495
>>59711495
>>59711495
Ding ding ding

You're just jaded and old.

>>59711644
>>59714514

Seriously, fuck normies reeeeeeee

I'm starting to understand the illuminati's depopulation plan...

>>59709599
You sound like a popsci redditor.

https://www.fastcodesign.com/1663594/women-dominate-the-global-market-place-here-are-5-keys-to-reaching-them

>Globally, women consumers control $20 trillion in consumer spending. They make the final decision for buying 91 percent of home purchases, 65 percent of the new cars, 80 percent of health care choices, and 66 percent of computers.

>>59716006
>DB is back.
>Berserker is becoming edgy again.
>Anime is becoming literally anti SJW
Seriously anon what is there to complain about.

Cool narratives idiots

It's just getting harder to make faster tech since without a breakthrough it's a logarithmic progression and not an exponential one.

>>59709479
I've felt like this for a couple years because there wasn't really much going on. Windows 7 and an SSD were the big things for me for quite some time. Still using an X201 Thinkpad and it's a great machine for doing work - and no successor has come with trackpoint, decent keyboard, 12" and a thunderbolt port.

Phones are still boring, the only devices worth a damn are the BB Priv and Key One or whatever it's called. Using a Lumia 950... wireless charging is nice and the email and calendar integration for Exchange at the office is pretty fucking awesome. As a device I'm still in love with my HTC P4350 (gen 2), I miss the slider with qwerty.

But since about mid last year things are starting to get exciting again... I have a Rift DK2 + racing seat, Ryzen is fucking 8 real cores and a shitton of compute performance, Vega is around the corner. I've gotten around to developing a bunch of new stuff with modern frameworks (web and desktop plus I saw the SQL light for data crunching).

And I haven't had so much fun building a computer since 2010, now that I'm doing a complete overhaul and a proper watercooling setup.


Too bad LAN-parties like in your picture aren't really a thing anymore, most people just bring shitty laptops nowadays and there's not really any games left that are common to all participants. Back in the day it was Quake, CS, AoE, WC3 and SC - plus some simple games like Soldat.

>>59711569
Yeah, most of the cool new tech that you'd actually think of using is riddled with cloud and botnet. It's even getting difficult to get fucking MS Office without botnet for doing work. Can't even install some of the proper desktop software anymore without having a login to some shitty online service you don't want.

>>59710038
I would say corning inc. is one of the only exception these days

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>>59709953
>Computer tech in the 90s was terrible.
>The printing press was terrible
>Penicillin was terrible
>Swords were terrible

Hi underage

I haven't paid much attention to technology's progress since about 2011 when I got the PC I'm currently using.
We had SSDs back then.
Games looked just as good back then as now.
Computers and phones don't seem any different.
The new fad of VR is retarded. It's just a tech-demo scam.
What has even progressed in the last 6 years?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6HPTom2AY

>>59709620
What I find is those machines all have an identity. And Amiga doesn't sound like an Atari which doesn't look like an IBM.

SSD is literally the only tech related thing that has impressed me over the last 6 years.
Everything else is just the same damn thing over and over again with miniscule improvements.

>Was impressed by a SATA SSD.
>Bought a 960 EVO expecting the 5x higher speed to blow me away.
>Can't even notice the difference 95% of the time.
And now even storage has reached the point of stagnation.

>>59714477
>no

>>59714594
>autonomous cars also implies electric
wrong

>>59721072
Dank redit reaction image kid.

>>59709479
Because of capitalism.

It was never abut you, it was always about your money - and making it their money.

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>>59723174
Not an argument.

>>59720724
>Anime is becoming literally anti SJW
What?

>>59715029
I never said anything about lack of debugging information being good. What I said was the most common use case being as simple as possible - plug it in and it works right away. I agree that advanced features should be there.

When you're no longer 15 and don't have time to tinker with every option, getting the device/software to work right away is most important. In the end it's just a tool to get something else done. In the software world this is called having sane defaults.

>>59709479
General public.

>>59712961
This. Also, get old things to work in the current tech and work well.

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>>59709599
>photorealistic performance

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>>59722746
Stuff is getting cheaper though. My poverty tier salary can get behind that.

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>>59709599
>he doesn't remember all when PCs were obsolete a month after release due to new games pushing the limits and new technology "leaps."

"""""""""""""""""Millennials"""""""""""""""""

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>ITT nostalgia goggles.
>no internet
>no cellphones
>Microsoft was king.
>Face to face talk was the norm.

Get fukc.

>>59709599
>mobile devices reaching peak performance every couple of months

Software stays the same every fucking year. Phone doesn't feel faster in any way.

>desktop computers reaching photorealistic performance to make Virtual Reality more feasible

Virtual reality is a meme and a shitty one.

>bluetooth speaker so compact, yet deliver bass and detail articulation beyond expectation

Not true. Every < 5inch speaker is SHIT.

>TV's have become more stunning and life like with OLED technology and further increase in pixel density

What I want is 144hz IPS 4K 1ms GtG 21:9 widescreen for CHEAP.

Does that exist? Nope.

>the best is yet to come, fucking holograms, hyperloops and autonomous cars.

All memes.

>WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU MISSING ANON, WE'RE STILL ON THE BLEEDING EDGE, AINT WE

Technology stagnated 10 years ago.

>>59720668
That one line succinctly explains everything that went wrong in the last 25 years even though it was probably unintended

>>59709599
>WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU MISSING ANON

Not OP, but I'm going to say technology that actually benefits the human experience. I can connect to anyone on the planet, but I can't make a real difference.

>>59726030
t. Shitscared of in-person communication virgin

>>59709479
There's this thing called perception: when i was young i used to admire certain things, and later as i grew up i learned new things and now i'm critical of my environment, and turns out nothing was that awesome, circumvent certain difficulties might made stronger users, but really interested people always push the technology further.
Basically it's time for new people to learn things and do things with it's available, nostalgia it's dumb.

>>59709479
Normies ruined it, with there retarded choices in technology. Also social media, ad networks, and government surveillance programs complete destroyed the Internet.

Fuck normies and their acceptance of shitty technology and the botnet.

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>>59709479

I'm a CS student and I can't stand the current state of the tech field. My dad always rubs it in with stories about his career at the forefront of the microcomputer revolution. Things happened so quickly in the 70s and 80s (and even the 90s). Hardware and software was changing so rapidly no one knew who was going to win. It was the wild west in it's truest form.

The industry has fully matured since then and the only advancements happening right now are in very narrow fields (VR, AI, etc...)

Nothing like it is ever going to happen on the same scale again.

Is it just nostalgia or were computer cases and peripherals made with higher precision and maybe higher quality materials back then? not talking about weight but things like tactile feedback and the way things would to snap together like lego.. now you could buy a 400 dollar case and you have to drill holes or use zipties in the fucker because the PCI card is not right on point, never saw anything like that even with the cheapest compaq prebuilts 20 years ago

>>59726030
>>no internet
The OP is talking about the 90s and early 2000s.

>>no cellphones
>implying that's a bad thing
Only reason I even own a cell phone is to use in case my car breaks down or other emergencies.

>>Microsoft was king.
Android is now the most popular OS in the world. I'd take any version of Windows from the 90s or XP over that any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

>>59714718
https://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Android-Prepaid-Minutes-Tracfone/dp/B00PWEN2ZE/

>>59726989
90's and early 2000's internet was a joke. I was there. The dot com bubble happened around that time. There's a reason so many useless "web companies" imploded all at the same time.

>>implying that's a bad thing
You want an award for not finding a use for a piece of technology?

>>Android sucks
Noted and agreed, but there's no reason to think it will remain a babby smartphone OS forever.

>>59726563
>Is it just nostalgia or were computer cases and peripherals made with higher precision and maybe higher quality materials back then?
When comparing newer hardware to older hardware, you really have to pay attention to how much that old hardware used to cost. I have a nice laptop from the late 80s that has a mechanical keyboard, it also would have cost about $6,000 back then in the configuration it's in (it has a 40 MB HDD, 2400 baud modem, 1 MB of RAM, 12 MHz 286, and a CGA monitor) and not including the battery pack which I also have. Adjusted for inflation that's about $12,000.

>>59709479
CERN is building a portal to hell right now so why don't you try working there, that sounds like it would be pretty fun

>>59727529
Oh the 90s nostalgia.

>>59727138
>90's and early 2000's internet was a joke. I was there.
I was there too and I don't see how it was a joke.

>>59727440
True this. I've been paying more or less the same amount for PCs since the early 90s to within a couple of hundred pounds. Recently got a 7700k based system, it was the same price as my 2700k, same price as the Core2Duo, same price as the Athlon before that, same price as the IBM Aptiva before that, same price as 486 before that and the same price as 8086 before that.

Not really a detailed analysis but as a rule of thumb it seems computers have been getting cheaper at roughly the rate of inflation for the last 20 years.

>>59716006
>There's nothing good since moe ruined everything.
Except this is a complete meme and never actually happened. But almost nobody knows that since almost nobody actually watches anime beyond the one or two mega famous shows of the year.

Speaking of which, memes are one of the worst things to happen to the internet. Nearly everything is a meme now. People just go around mindlessly repeating these "facts" and buzzwords and catchphrases that spread like viruses through social media. In the case of anime, nearly everything people think they know about it is a meme. Reality no longer matters.

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>>59709479
Because there isn't a targeted market anymore. Stuff is made and thought of to (((everyone))). That is, people who wouldn't recognize innovation if they saw it, and even if they did, because some normiebook article explained to them, that wouldn't be able to use it.

So what's left for companies with big money, and the ones that would bring most cool new stuff? Just give these retarded faggots who, since they are the great majority of the market and will bring massive revenue, what they want.

Which is just more comfy and lazy ways to do what they've already been doing. Then we see waterproof phones for retards who are literally unable to take care of a piece of tech, or Apple being praised by some omce taken seriously tech magazine because they got rid of one button in some interface by making so you can do that shit clicking twice on some other, or biometry devices so you won't have to use strong passwords, because it's so worth it sacrificing your privacy literally for life so you won't have to get used to the habit of memorizing strong passwords.

It may sound cheesy as fuck, but there's no other way to describe what's going on than pearls to the swine.

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>>59727774
>Speaking of which, memes are one of the worst things to happen to the internet.
Fucking this. Take "botnet" for example. At first it was misused to describe spyware, then some people started using it to describe anything that isn't FOSS, then people started using it to describe any hardware/software that they believe might have a back door (based entirely on speculation), and some people even use it to describe any software they don't like. Now you have posters who just repeat that X is botnet without understanding what the problem was with that piece of software (or sometimes hardware) in the first place, and due to the wide variety of things the word has come to be used to describe it can be impossible for others to tell why the poster is calling X botnet as well (which can then lead to more posters calling X botnet without knowing why).

>>59728225
>botnet
If you open up a notepad type program and type "Hello", and those 5 characters are then sent out the network port to some remote system automatically, it is botnet. Bonus botnet points if it is sneaky rather than just "default".

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>>59728225

They were great back in the somethingawful/early 4chan days, but we passed the point where they were good years ago. Now they've metastasized into cancer.

>>59709479
Don't listen to these other fags. It's because of corporatism. You're no longer seen as a customer but rather a wallet with legs. This has ruined everything. Instead of real innovation, companies just half ass it because they know idiots will buy whatever they shit out. Programming has also gone from something that nerds did to something that every faggot numale and pancakes makeup stretchy pants wearing 20 something wants to do for dick and attention. See "gurlz who code XD". This has led to shitty people writing shitty code. These fucking "code artisans" are why with modern internet speeds it feels like dialup loading a news page. These inbred morons are why every time you mouse over the middle of an article a goddamn car ad pops up and a bunch of confetti and bells and whistles go off and because the Pajeet PooScript is so heavy, your computer melts into a clump of metal and plastic.

TLDR: idiots ruin nice things

>>59728914

There is something to this. Go back and read Tracey Kidder's "Soul of a New Machine" - we're talking hardware design and people writing machine languages. The work described in that book that took place in the early 80s doesn't take place anymore today, and the environment where you could have people so single-mindedly devoted to doing something new just doesn't exist anymore. Part of it is corporatism, part of it is a wide consumer audience leading to lowest-common-denominator development, part of it is a slacking in standards about what is acceptable and what isn't.

We're a far ways away from where we once were.