/pcbg/ - PC Building General

what graphics card should i buy to crack the most tripcodes per dollar spent

Friends 7 year old """gaming""" laptop is finally on its last legs so instead of helping him fix it now I get to help him build a replacement. So far the info I have is
>Mainly would be used for shit like Studio One and light gaming such as Enter The Gungeon
>$700ish budget
>USAUSAUSAUSAUSA
Was Ryzen able to live up to the hype?

>>59703053
in us, rx 480 for 1080p

>>59703090
PC replaceemnt or laptop replacement? Hard not to suggest an i5-7500 over ryzen, but we'll see. Tell him to wait til april 11 for the release just to be sure. If he's gaming I'd find either a good deal second hand or just get a $120 RX 470.

>>59703155
PC, my bad for not putting that in there. Whats out on the 11th?

>>59703189
ryzen 5

Where can I find the Microsoft Toolkit these days?

Unrelated, where can I find an ISO for Office 2016?

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>>59703274
i have both but i charge for em

Will weakly magnetic screwdrivers fuck up my build?

>>59703310
no chance

Still running a Q6600 build here so it's fair to say I've not built a PC in a long time. So... Can I get a quick sanity check on this parts list? Tight budget mATX build for 1440p:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/bL82f8

I know I could get by on the stock cooler but I'd really rather not. Already got a 2TB mechanical drive to go in there. Went for the M.2 for the sake of a nice clean build.

>>59703274
mydigitallife forum.

>>59703310
Nope. Plus it'll save you headaches when you inevitably drop a screw somewhere hard to reach.

>>59703340
>https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/bL82f8
You will massively regret that CPU cooler.

Get this one instead

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0119SJ3L8/?tag=pcp0f-21

Or just use stock like a normal person.

I'd see if you could find a similarly priced 2 fan 1070 but thatll do, reddit.com/r/buildapcsalesuk has good ones.

Not a fan of that PSU, I'd go up or down in price, an m12ii 520 over that desu. Or just get the G2 and use it for 2 decades. But yours will probably work.

good build

>>59703388
I looked at MyDigitalLife, but nearly every post is:
>You need to login to view this posts content.

>>59703405
wanna pay me 30 bucks for it?

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Already have the 1080 and just ordered the 7700k last night.

>>59703408
Can you fuck off Sanjay?

>>59703340
>>59703393
dont listen to this retard.

hyper 212 is really good.

just google some reviews.

>>59703424
Could've gotten an R7 for cheaper than your $400 delidlake.

>>59703340
looks fine, you could get better bang for buck with amd but if you don't like pooinloo i understand

either option will poo all over your q6600

>>59703444
Besides the tim, I think Intel has it figured out.
I don't wanna wait for AMD to push out updates for the R7 and say how well it's performing in AMD tailored benchmarks.

>>59703424
paying for a delid lol

>>59703427
$40 now

>>59703432
you're so fucking insecure, if you wanna get a coolermaster cooler go for it, joke's on you

>>59703451
no you couldnt lol

>>59703528
>you're so fucking insecure, if you wanna get a coolermaster cooler go for it, joke's on you
shut your mouth stupid nigger.

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>>59703534

>>59703528
>paying for a delid lol

Oh, right. Because the delid tool and thermal paste would've been free.

>>59703551
Oh, right. Because the delid tool and thermal paste would've been $50.

>>59703549
go shill your nigger-tier parts elsewhere.

>>59703566
~$20 for delid tool. ~$15 for liquid ultra thermal paste.
Oh, boy. I really missed out and over paid. What the fuck am I gonna do

>>59703393
>You will massively regret that CPU cooler.
How so? Went for it because I've always seen it regarded as the go-to cheap HSF.

>Not a fan of that PSU, I'd go up or down in price, an m12ii 520 over that desu.
Considering the m12ii just to save some shekels. Reviews on the Whisper M seem to rate it over or on par with the G2 and the RM550x which were my other choices. Not looking to dump more jew gold.

>>59703451
Trying to avoid pooinloo, yeah. Aware it' might be worth waiting for the R5s but - fuck it - I've waited long enough at this point.

I don't know shit about cooling, my GPU is idling at 40C
Should I do something about that?

Gonna build my first PC, rate my list. Mid-tier

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rZtFyf
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rZtFyf/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.49 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z270 Killer SLI/ac ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($143.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($105.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($146.78 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card ($374.00 @ Amazon)
Case: Deepcool TESSERACT SW ATX Mid Tower Case ($38.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($62.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $1062.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-02 11:35 EDT-0400

Only reason I'm spending more on the mobo is because I need wireless networking, getting a cheaper one+adapter seems to be the same price anyway.

>>59703613
No. Thats pretty normal.

>>59703625
Cool, thanks

>>59703599
if you want to pay a $20 incompetence tax, go for it, buddy. But don't be so mad about it.

>>59703605
It was mass market, overrated garbage in 2011.. but it actually competed. Nowadays, 6 years later, it doesn't. It's trash and hell to install. Take my suggestion of the i32, I have around 12 alternatives I can personally vouch for too in that price range.

>>59703605
if you go by "seem" you're just a brainlet. Go for the m12ii then, it's really well made.

>>59703613
no

>>59703618
you don't know how to pick a motherboard, your video card is overpriced, but it looks fine. a cheaper one + adapter is so much better, and actually cheaper.

Recently got a 27' 144hz freesync monitor, but my current PC is starting to choke on dicks (oc'd 7970, oc'd i5-3570k, 8gb ram).

Guess i should wait and get a r5 1600x and some Vega GPU. But that x370 clusterfuck though...
Or maybe grab some x99 on sale with a 5820k? Them extra cores might come in handy later, i guess

>>59703666
Either fall for the ryzen + vega meme, or wait for some actually good intel board + cpu in 2nd half of 2017

>inb4 waitfag

>>59703340
I don't go for mATX stuff generally but that case is fantastic for the money and really nice to build in.

Could drop the M.2 to get a faster/cheaper SSD and still get a super tidy build given 2.5" drives mount behind the mobo.

>>59703743
>Could drop the M.2 to get a faster/cheaper SSD and still get a super tidy build given 2.5" drives mount behind the mobo.
what 2.5" ssd is faster than an M.2 ssd?

>>59703752
2.5" 850 evo is a good bit better than the mx300 and around the same price.

>>59703687
Those coffee lake CPUs better be at least 6 cores.
Still, really want to see what those r5 1600 have to offer.

>>59703791
Yeah, keep an eye out for those R5 Ryzens, definitely.

Coffeelake i7s will be exclusively at 6 cores, afaik

>>59703424
>7700k
>delid
>RGB ram
>850w

better be trolling

>>59703618
No need for a high end mobo with that CPU
Get ryzen 5 instead

>>59703824
no, he's not trolling

this is a fine build

kys

Hey guys, checking in again while working on my build. I was wondering if Fallout 4 would run okay-ish if my build has an i5 - 7500 and a 1050 Ti GPU. I don't need it to run on ultra with 700 FPS, but I would like to play that game at decent settings. Anyone know if that CPU and GPU is good enough to do the job?

>>59703836
xD ebin

>>59703841
Would run.

But like you said, don't expect spaceage-tier graphics

>>59703850
what's the bigger bottleneck, the GPU or the CPU?

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>>59703841
Google next time

>>59703090
>>59703090
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JTvtqk
Did I do good? Hes going to add a video card later when hes got more cash. How cheap are ultrawides now?

>>59703878
I'd be guessing they're more or less balanced, practically, but bottleneck probably leaning towards GPU.

>>59703841
It'll be plenty playable but you're going to have to drop some settings to hit a solid 60fps at 1080p.

If you can stretch to a 1060 or RX480 you'd have a better experience but the 1050 will do the job if the budget's really tight.

>>59703274
>Where
https://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/28669-Microsoft-Toolkit-Official-KMS-Solution-for-Microsoft-Products
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:FB59D3260575A6BFDE6880CE4FF8893D10F01B06

really though, are you retarded? make an account and you can view the magnet link.

>>59703884
Ryzen 5 is a lot better overall.
consider a corsair 100r silent

Rate, suggest replacements, etc. Budget is ~$850

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FnnVRG
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FnnVRG/by_merchant/

>CPU: Intel Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.49 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.89 @ OutletPC)
>Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($69.99 @ B&H)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($119.88 @ OutletPC)
>Storage: Zotac Premium Edition 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.68 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.89 @ OutletPC)
>Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 480 8GB ARMOR 8G OC Video Card ($219.99 @ Jet)
Case: BitFenix Nova ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
>Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($77.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $860.68

What would be better, a single stick of 8gb DDR4 ram or 2 sticks of 4gb DDR4 RAM?

>>59704184
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PHBRhq
So wait for Ryzen? Thats the build now.

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Anyone ever use one of these? does it work? can it turn the PC on when it is off (appears to be powered by PCI slot, so how?)

It's either something like this, or running a wired switch out the back of my case, because my case has power buttons on top and my cat keeps shutting it down or resetting it.

>>59704391
2 sticks is better if you dont plan on upgrading EVER.

1 stick is better if you plan on getting more ram later.

>>59704391
2 sticks of 4gb. dual channel RAM > single channel RAM
>>59704368
why do you need a heatsink if you have a non-overclockable cpu, just use the stock heatsink and put that money towards a better quality SSD. >zotac ssd

>>59703528
>no you couldnt lol
sure you could

>>59704484
>so how?
It looks like it pulls power from the standby power line (pin 10.) Your power supply supplies a low current 5V line to the motherboard when the system is off.

>>59704484
PCIe NICs support WoL, logic dictates there has to be some standby power for that to work, so I assume that should work as well. I've added a relay in parallel to my server's power switch to control it from a Raspberry Pi, there's no reason why that part wouldn't work.

>>59704484
Does that exist with an IR sensor?

>>59704484

Wake On LAN, OR ILO/IPMI.

>>59704484
>Anyone ever use one of these? does it work? can it turn the PC on when it is off (appears to be powered by PCI slot, so how?)
your motherboard is always on as long as your computer is connected to the wall outlet and the power supply switch is on.

>>59704559
>IR
>Line-of-sight
>Back panel

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Pic is my current solution :^)
My previous build had buttons on the motherboard itself, so I would just open the side panel.

>>59704522
>>59704553
>>59704563
>>59704568

I figured they would have figured it out somehow, so have any of you used something like this?

>>59704559

Not that i have seen, but I am not sure

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>>59704624
No, I've literally never even heard of it before.
If you want to go more case-moddy, you could replace it with a toggle switch like such. You would be looking for a normally-open SPST momentary switch.

>>59704763
If I was going that far, I could just put a button in one of the 5 1/4 blanks... in fact, that's a pretty good idea

>>59703834
You dont need high end mobo with any CPU, unless doing extreme overclocks.
You buy high end mobo if you acualy use those features and it raraly has to do with CPU.

>>59703034
>Locked i5s are a much better value than unlocked i5s and perform similarly, especially in games.
If you are buying decent cooler its stupid to buy locked i5, since you can easy overclock at least 10-15%.
Especialy since next point is talking about 1070/80/80Ti...

>>59705190
I just wish manufacturers would make durable versions of motherboards not marketed to the gamer crowd. I don't really care about overclocking or LEDs, but I do want something that will last and be reliable

>>59704484
It connects to motherboard where you normally connect PC case power button pins. You can even see the cable on picture.
There must be voltage on those pins since it powers on PC when you press the button on case so it uses that.

>>59705285
They do. Like Asrock had Ultra Durable MBs without gaming leds and shit. Dunno if still does.

>>59705285
>>59705358
Also "durable" is mostly marketing thing now.
How long will you use it? 5 years max on the average, you dont need ultra durable turbo 20 years of life capacitors.
There are many PCs running for 10+ years on cheapest mobos.

Best "budget" atx for a 4560?

I'm gonna upgrade to an 15 or so later this year.

>>59705358
oh neat, I have been hearing a lot of good things about Asrock lately.

>>59705390
That's a great point. I am just jaded after having an MSI board blow caps on me, then the replacement stopped holding BIOS settings after poweroff, even after trying multiple new batteries.

>>59705399
i5*

Rate pls, i will be waiting for R5 and possibly vega to come out an check the marks.

Almost exclusive for gaymen. Some browsing and such aside. As for now i think 7700k is still the best for it and also kind of futureproof. Since i will build this to last 6-7 years. Will also add my old 1.5 tb hdd as cheap storage to it.

Write now im unsure to what case to get that fits with the noctua. Also will i have to de-lid to not need a fire extingisher?

Eurofagg here btw. Help is appreciated:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/VNTgNN

>>59705452
No, you won't need to delid it. You should be able to hit 5ghz with that cooler and good case flow, provided your chip is good.

>>59705285
Are "gamer" motherboards unreliable? Have you seen some statistics to back this up or what? I haven't had any mobo die on me since that fucking horrible EVGA 680i early on in the S775 days. Fuck motherboards with NVIDIA chipsets, good thing they stopped making them entirely as far as I'm concerned.

>>59705416
> I am just jaded after having an MSI board blow caps on me, then the replacement stopped holding BIOS settings after poweroff, even after trying multiple new batteries.
The point is, if something like this happens its from manufacturing process issues and parts tolarance.
If 1 milion mobos works ok for 10 years and yours breaks after a year there is no other explanation.
Thats why theres warranty - they know there can be problems and issues in time.
But if you can produce perfect mobo for 150$, or not so perfect for 100$ and have even 2% of warranty returns, its easy choice to make, especialy you sell both for same price of 300$.

>>59705564
He didnt said "gamer" are not reliable.
He want durable without "gamer" shit.

>>59705578
I misread, I guess the issue then is just with the decorations? Everything else like higher quality components, better cooling and higher capacity CPU power delivery will in general prolong the lifetime of the product while also enabling OC. If you remove those from a gaming motherboard you're likely ending up with worse reliability, the only irrelevant shit are the decorations really, which are of trivial importance in an internal part.

>>59705452
Isnt 1080 more bang for buck after price drop from 1080Ti? (maybe not exacly performance per dollar, but more futureproof without cosintg a lot more)
1080 received more price drop than 1070.

>>59705509
Thx hoping for the silicon lottery then.

>>59705786
yes.

no reason to buy a 1070 unless you buy it for well under 300.

>>59705786
Hilariously, the MSI Gaming X 1080 was like 470 after rebate on Newegg, when most 1070's are 400-440 still. Ridiculous.

>>59705762
read >>59705390 and >>59705565
Anything Z series for Intel seems enough from good manufacturer.
This is not a car you are buying for 15 years.
If your mobo breaks down after year or two its manufacturing issue and no matter how much gaming your mobo would be it could happen.

>>59705786
Yeah, but i'm kinda hitting my budget limits with the 1070. I will look out for some Deals though and if vega will change anything.

Sadly the newegg + Groupon thing isn't available in germanistan.

Does anybody have any recommendation for a slim mITX case? So far I'm leaning towards the fractal design node 202 or the silverstone rvz02 but I wanna know if there's anything else.

>>59705817
>>59705827
That what I was thinking in >>59705786
Its mosly less than 80E difference even in Europe for better versions like GamingX between 1070 and 1080.

>>59705883
Then either save for 1080 or wait for Vega.
If Vega will hit 1080 levels in games for less, Nvidia will probably have to lower prices, or you just buy Vega.
I would wait either way.

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Will Corsair RM550x be enough for i7 7700 + GTX 1070 or I should go with RM650x?

>>59705945
post ur full build and google a psu calculator to check.

>>59705945
Go on PC part picker, put in your build there and pick a PSU that's twice as big as the calculated wattage.

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>ram prices

>>59705945
enough

>>59706035
Thanks.

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I got this issue when using PC parts picker, is this something to worry about or no?

And what is the difference between the 6XXX series and 7XXX series intel processors? I'm guessing the 7XXX is the latest?

>>59706146
7XXX is newer.

get a z270 chipset motherboard if you want to use a 7XXX processor.

>>59706170
So a B150 or Z170 for a 6XXX series and a B250 or Z270 for a 7XXX series?

will I notice a difference between the 6 and 7 series if I don't plan to overclock or play new games on ultra?

>>59706206
>So a B150 or Z170 for a 6XXX series and a B250 or Z270 for a 7XXX series?
Yup

>will I notice a difference between the 6 and 7 series if I don't plan to overclock or play new games on ultra?
Probably not, but there's no reason to go for the older model if the newer model costs as much or is cheaper.

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Would you kindly rate my build?
[spoiler]Pls no bully[/spoiler]
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RMVbxY
Based in Britbongistan
I'm looking to play games. Basically I want to emulate old games to better standards and faster speeds (the Final Fantasys being a perfect example) and last gen games with lots of mods. Fallout 3/NV being another example.
I don't plan on playing any modern AAA games at Ultra 4K or anything like that. As long as I can have 1080p 60fps, I'm a happy camper.

Thanks

>>59706219
>Probably not, but there's no reason to go for the older model if the newer model costs as much or is cheaper.

I see what you're saying, the prices are all very similar. I just haven't built a PC in forever and I always fall behind all the tech stuff because I don't really keep up.

>>59706222
get a sapphire model instead of a powercolor, also the intel stock cooler is notoriously loud, consider getting an inexpensive aftermarket one like the cryorig c7

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So here's my build, which is going to replace pic related. Any input before I start ordering parts? I know it's not the best of the best, but I think it's time for an upgrade.

>>59703884
shave off a few bucks with a b250 board desu

How hot does the i7-7700k get and do I have to get it delid fpr better tempts?

>>59703599


Why in the world are you paying $15 for thermal compound (not paste, retard)

>>59703424
>850W

Any website like system requirements lab where you can plug in computer parts before you own them?

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I just experienced my first green screen. Not just some green lines, but the whole screen. Does that means my gpu is dead? because I restarted the pc and the desktop is fine.

The stupid questions thread told me to come here.

I was going to buy a PS4 but the fact online gaming costs money turned me off.

How do I build a small computer that I can use in the living room with a controller? I already have a ton of games on steam.

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Do you think it's fine to lay a tower PC on it's side for a few years of use?

I mean, I got this space under my TV. But it's really impossible to find a good case that is made to lay horizontally these days. It seems the right-hand side of nearly all towers (where the motherboard rests) is flat with no fans or anything. So, assuming I never use the CD drive or anything, wouldn't it be fine to just tip it over?

Is there something I'm not thinking of?

>>59710074
http://www.logicalincrements.com/articles/steammachines

also why the fuck are there 2 threads up

>>59710074
Just buy a Steam Machine
http://store.steampowered.com/sale/machines/

>>59710167
Or you could just build your own
http://store.steampowered.com/steamos/buildyourown

>>59710156
Really nothing wrong with turning the PC on its side. Just make sure that your Hard drives are completely mounted so they don't rattle or fall over.

>>59710074
how powerful do you want your little machine to be? that ultimately decides what you buy/build. What's your budget? I'm assuming the TV you'll be playing on is 1080p?

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First time /g/ visitor here. This is probably cringeworthy material for you guys. I have never put any thought into pc building or customizing strategy, I think I might start now. I think my graphics card is... interesting

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>>59710294
>gt 710

>>59710294
>we got to many 512mb gpu dimms, how de fug we gonna sell all these fuggin things when everybody got 8gb+ and gddr5x and shizzz
>idk create a new gpu - said the intern
>JONES THATS BRILLIANT

And that's the story of how the 710 was born. Two years after the fucking 700 series cards came about.

>>59710324

I was browsing benchmark sites and they don't even have it. I tried to run GTA5 last week and my computer shat its pants LOL. Budget is kinda tight though. I could invest 300€ aprox into a new GPU.

>>59710215

Thanks for the advice

>>59710350
RX480 if your budget is 300 euro bucks.

RX470 4GB if you're looking to save even more. GT710 is really hard to stick with. You'd probably be better off with intel HD from your i5 at this point.

>>59710197
>>59710167
>>59710164

Doesn't SteamOS run on top of Debian? That would seriously limit the number of games the computer would be able to play, right?

>>59710270
>how powerful do you want your little machine to be?

It'd be nice to be able to max out all current gen games.

>What's your budget?

Price of a PS4 I guess. Maybe a couple hundred more.

>I'm assuming the TV you'll be playing on is 1080p?

Yes.

Do I have to format to update the bios? Or can I just update it and that's it? I'm a bit paranoid and scared of doing it but I have a feeling not having updated it is causing some instability.

>>59712536
Updating your bios is almost always a bad idea.

The only time you should do it is if you have a specific problem that is fixed by the update.

>>59712649
>>59712593
You're probably right. My problem is minor but is driving me crazy since my computer is all new. I'm on update #2 of my mobo and update #4 is said to have a stability for XMP mode so I thought it'd be worth a try.

Basically in Windows (10) explorer when I'm dragging the columns they're lagging and freezing. When I had shortcuts on my desktop, some of those would freeze and lag when I'd pass my mouse cursor over them, ...

I did a bunch of benchmarks for my 7700K, like Cinebench R15 and it passed it with normal score (by normal I mean exact same score you can find all over internet). I did the Windows test for my RAM and they haven't detected any errors. My SSD is completely fine according to Crystal Disk and the Samsung Magician program, same for my HDD. I don't have a GPU and am using the iGPU and yet I can play League of Legends in ultra settings with 100+FPS without a inch of lag for hours. I did all the system tests and no errors were found. Where I'm getting at is that my PC is working fully well but yet Windows explorer freezes like shit when I want to do something as simple as moving columns (you know like, if you open a folder with .mp3s there will be columns within the folder). Also my CPU usage doing said explained problems is abnormally high (10-15% usage can be seen from taskmgr).

Thoughts? What could be the problem?

>>59712664
I haven't read the full thread, but have you tried reformatting, or try to boot off of a LiveUSB? Sounds like there could be a driver conflict

>>59710294
A good upgrade would be to a GTX1050Ti or an AMD RX 470. Also an SSD for a boot drive would liven things up. Not much of a reason to upgrade your CPU yet

>>59712681
When I first installed Windows 10 I'm pretty sure the issue was already here (lagging desktop shortcuts) and since then I had re-formatted, so formatting again would perhaps not help, although it's still worth a try if I'm really desperate.

What do you mean by LiveUSB? You mean an USB with Windows 10 and booting from it instead of using the system from my SSD? Does that even work?

Driver conflict could be, I wonder if I should even have bothered installing all these shits from my mobo's official website. Like, Intel Rapid Technology - what is that shit even doing? It's supposed to do something to my SSD or drives but I'm pretty sure I could get rid of it and never notice the difference.

>>59710294
>121c motherboard
AIRFLOW

Looking for a psu
Ideally under or around 100 dollars, need at least 700w as best I can tell. (fury x and overclocked 8350, soon to be ryzen though as well as other devices), preferably gold efficiency but bronze is OK I'm not really too caught up on that
Last kicker is that it needs to be no longer than 160mm
Evga/Seasonic the way to go here? Other companies? It's been a while since I needed a psu so I'm not sure what's good and what's not anymore

Thoughts on the Silverstone ft05? I can get one fairly cheap and I think it looks interesting, no interest or need to water cool, looking to minimize noise as best as possible, as well as try something a bit out of the ordinary. Any issues other than poor cable routing I should know about? Honestly it looks to be a great solution for air cooling, but I'm not sure here.

first build, can anyone check it out? I really want something compact. Was thinking about the 1060 but everyone recommend RX480 instead. Just want 1080p gaming is all

>>59713999
fuck heres my list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VV77gL

>>59713999
>>59713999
unless the 1060 6GB is the same price, not worth it. RX480 and RX470 are simply the best value in the USA unless you want to move up to the R9 Fury.

You shouldn't consider the i5s. 4c/4t are stutterfests in lots of newer games.

You could really just do this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n6C9Ps
$576
70-85% as good CPU for way cheaper. That gives you money left over to get an SSD that'll be way better in the future.
Better PSU here, too. You can change the case, it's just what I had in there already.
You could also get a motherboard with built in wifi for cheaper than an extra card.

Buy newegg giftcards from groupon using Ebates as well and you can get that GPU you had listed for $150.

You could replace the G4560 and mobo with a Ryzen 5 1400 and B350 instead and still be about the same $695 you have there.

>>59713885
>need at least 700w
what do you need...
>fury x and overclocked 8350
Oh jesus. Okay
>soon to be ryzen though as well as other devices
... If you're upgrading to Ryzen soon, all you need is 550W.

You can get a Seasonic gold 550W for like $60-$70. Same I have in the link in the post above. >>59714652

>>59712699
1050Ti aren't worth it in America. Is there any country that they are? The RX470 4GB is about 40-50% more powerful yet cheaper in the USA. It's even better in nVidia optimized games.

>>59713900
The way it makes GPUs orient can make heatpipes on them not function correctly.
For that reason, I always considered this was a water-cooling-only case.

It's generally fine to rotate the GPU along its long axis like in the Lian Li PC-05, but not on the short axis like that.

Heat pipes can be laid out in such a way that orientation doesn't matter, and this is generally considered on CPU coolers, but not on stock GPU coolers.

>>59703034
>>The only worthwhile gfx cards are the (1050ti outside of US), RX470 4GB, RX480 4/8GB, (1060 outside of USA), 1070, 1080, 1080Ti.
Why outside USA?
Om EU but curious
Also I come from a 7850 or so, 60 or 50ti?

my i7 3770k is almost 5 years old and i've never overclocked it. should i even bother at this point? i have a decent motherboard (asrock extreme6)

>>59714743
Yes

>>59714726
>Why outside USA?
Because in the USA the RX470 is cheaper than the 1050Ti yet is 40-50% faster like I just said >>59714708

RX470s are often on sale for $110-$135 here but the 1050Ti is rarely under $125 while it's far worse.

>>59714743
>my i7 3770k is almost 5 years old and i've never overclocked it. should i even bother at this point?
Sure, why not?

But even a stock 3770k is still pretty good for at least 100fps min in most games today. Any 4c/8t generally is.

>>59714757
>>59714762


yeah its pretty good for overwatch. i can get 200+ fps with just a 760 on all low settings and 75% render.

im about to buy a gtx 1080ti and i was worried it'll bottleneck it. i honestly don't have the cash to upgrade my cpu and mobo so overclocking is my only option

>>59714762
>RX470s are often on sale for $110-
Its 200€ here
I hate eurabia

>>59705786
>>59705817
Yeah. It's hard to recommend the 1070 sometimes but it's often just barely within budget for the needs of some people so I end up doing so more often than I want.
Its performance/$ is pretty bad. Even when you can find them for $325 sometime, that's still too much for what you get considering how cheap you can sometime get RX480s, and the R9 Fury being $235.
It should really be ~$200 for the 6GB 1060 and $300 for the 1070, but people buy them anyway at the prices they are so Nvidia and card manufacturers keeps them there.

>>59705827
1080s seem to drop down to $425 or less pretty often in flash sales.

>>59714834
AMERICAN
MICRO
DEVICES

>>59714834
What are 1050Tis there?
Are you sure you're seeing the cheapest prices like after rebates and stuff?

>>59714708
Sure about 550, even with the fury? I mean I know the 8350 drinks power but fuck
Even if I want to try to take a 1700 to 4.0?

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>>59703424
>>59703551
>>59703599
You can have a Delid tool 3d printed for cheap.

>>59714872
195
We pay 20-40% more for everything, yurotaxes are fun, we need to pay for 2 countries and 10 races

>>59714743
why not?
>>59714829
>200fps on 760
1080p monitor? just get a 1070 or a 580 and a ryzen 5

>>59714961
clocked ivy i7 and a 390x on a 550, I think you'll be fine.

>>59714977
Er.. so the 1050Ti is only 2.5% cheaper but the RX470 is 40-50% better. So the RX470 is still the way better value.
You're actually paying double what we pay for RX470s though, no 20-40% more. Kek.

You could actually grab an RX470 for about $85 a few days ago with the ebates+groupon newegg gift cards thing.

>>59714829
If you're in no hurry, you could just wait for Vega.

>>59714961
For the 8350, no, not really..
Not unless you download the Fury X to Nano levels.

But you said you were upgrading to Ryzen, which I assumed would be in like a week. So I don't get why you need the 700W now.

I have an i5-2500k and 7970. I don't even use over 450W if I torture test the CPU and GPU simultaneously.
So I know a Ryzen+Fury X won't use over 550, but an 8350+Fury X maybe would.

But the thing is, a good 550W rated PSU is usually going to be good for more like 625. If you check reviews for PSUs, they usually test the max wattage they could actually take and remain stable at.

>>59715069
I come from a 7850 as I said and I don't want to use AMD ever again

The cheaper 1060 is 315€ and the 1070 is almost 500

I fucking hate shit europe, you can't even buy from USA without paying the taxes

A friend of mine is selling me his old pc parts for $100 because his drivers fried and I'm trying to build a budget rig. He has a GTX970, 2x Corsair Vengeance 8gb Ram, 2x ddr4 ram, and a 600w power supply.
Is this a good deal? I know nothing.

>>59715132
Huh really? I love my 7970. 6 years later and I can still play everything, often at 60fps+ at 1920x1200.

There were some rough driver issues the first few years, but it's been fine for years now.

But here in the USA it's like $110-$120($85 with hoops) for an RX470 4GB, $175-$200($150 with hoops), $235 for an R9 fury($180 with hoops), $260 for a 1060(not worth buying), $325 for a 1070 ($275 with hoops), $420 for a 1080($380 with hoops)

It's not just that we have less sales taxes/VAT, it's that it's a consumer driven society with a lot of automation in our retailers. Retailers can sell stuff cheaper since their costs are lower, and even if that makes margins lower too they sell more units.

But we can't import cars until they're 25 years old, which is fucking stupid.

>>59715210
It's a very, very, very good deal. Like, lol...
The RAM alone is worth that much if it's like 2800-3200mhz.
Even better deal if the PSU is a good quality one.

970s are pretty fucking garbage in many games, but you could sell that for like $100 and just get a 4GB RX470 instead.

>>59715239
Awesome. What else would I need to turn his shit into a decent setup? I was just planning on getting an i3 7100 , applicable motherboard, a case, and an ssd and calling it a day

I was given a bunch of screws after complaining that I didn't receive any with Coolermaster Masterbox Lite 3. I can identify what some of the screws are, but I don't about the other ones. Where would I find this obscure information? Coolermaster doesn't have a diagram, so I don't know what to make of it all.

>>59715310
uhh no you should no consider any i3 like the OP says.
You shouldn't consider any i5 either. Pentium, i7, or Ryzen 7/Ryzen 5 are the best options in the given price brackets.

It depends on your budget.
You need a HDD/SSD, motherboard, cpu, and case, correct?

>>59715344
so I would be better off with something like a G4620? and yes, that's correct.

>>59715386
sorry I just read the entirety of the OP. I'm an idiot

>>59715386
Yes. A G4560 is 95% as good as the i3-6100 but it only costs $60. Plus a B250 motherboard for about $60. So that's almost $120.

If you want to spend more, for about $240 you can get the Ryzen 1400 which is twice the cores and threads as the G4560 and a B350 motherboard.

You can get a 1TB HDD for about $50-$60 or a 525GB MX300 SSD for $150.

As for cases, well you just have to look around and decide whether you want mATX or ATX and how much you want to spend and which one you like the looks of.
Cheapest decent mATX ones are $20-$30 like the Rosewill SRM-01 and Zalman T5.

>>59715430
Or a G4620 if you really want I guess. It's $30 more for like 8% higher clocks.

I have a MSI 750ti/AMD A6 6400K as a very cheap system, the apu I got for free from a friend's spare parts, and it bottlenecks hard, anyone know the best cheap cpu upgrade for the fm2 socket?

Is the 1070 an actually good price/performance card?
Or would it be smarter to buy a used 980?

>>59715473
used 880k

>>59715486
I was thinking about a 860k or 880k, but wasn't sure. I don't game hard games and don't mind turning graphics down so..

>>59715473
>>59715486
Yep, a 880k or 860k.

The 860k is a nice upgrade, but still way weaker than even an i5-2600k or even the 4c/4t intel's for that matter.

>I don't game hard games and don't mind turning graphics down so..
CPU doesn't affect graphics.

>>59715485
No, the 1070 is not very good price/$.
You can get the R9 Fury for $235 and it's about 80-95% the performance of it, sometimes better still at 1440p, when the 1070s usually aren't under $325.
If you can spend more, sometimes you can find 1080s for $420 on flash sales, which is good performance/$.

980 used is good if you can find them for like <$150. Otherwise you're better off getting a RX480 8GB that you can tend to get for $150-$200.

>>59715538
performance/$, I meant.

>>59715538
I meant, in general I don't need a high end system because I don't play many games and when I do, I don't mind graphics being lower, as long as it runs 1080p@45+

>>59715538
The problem is that in EU, used 980's go for ~170 euro. But ill check out the r9 fury.

>>59715572
170 euro for a 980 sounds pretty worth it. Aren't RX470s like 200 euro there?

The 980 beats the RX480 in most games, though I was factoring in it not having warranty and such as being worth less, and the possibility of getting scammed.
It's hard to tell exactly how much it beats it by, though, because most benchmarks were done on launch and the RX480 sucked on launch and got so much better with driver updates. But it seems like it does win out in a lot of cases with DX12/Vulkan.

>>59715556
idk dude, you didn't give a budget. You can get a mATX mobo and case + g4560 + 1TB HDD for $200.
Or you could get a much faster system with a ryzen 1400 + mATX mobo and case + 525GB SSD for $420.
Those are good value for their respective prices.

The G4560 isn't amazing, but it's still a shitload better than those awful old 2core/2thread CPUs that Intel used to force on people.

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I just realized something
you know how when your GPU breaks, the manufacturer replaces it with the closest equal card, which means better when generations change?
Like if your 7970 breaks you get a 290. If your 780Ti breaks you get a 980. They can't reasonably drop you from a 780Ti to 970 even if those were more equal.

Well if an R9 fury breaks, an RX580 would be a downgrade, so I guess you get Vega? Which is probably twice as good.

>>59715678
Interesting theory, but probably not
When my 295x2 died Xfx shipped me a fury x, effectively a downgrade. It was a bit different of a situation though

>>59715696
Whao what the fuck. How did they get away with doing that? That is definitely a downgrade.

I would have bitched on leddit about that and got tens of thousands of upboats forcing them to give you better.

How was the situation different? It was your fault?

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is ryzen 1600x really worth it, if youre mainly going to game/stream/editing?

Budget: 1000 euro or less
Country: netherlands

i don't really play vidya on high settings. so whats the best price per performance gpu?

so far i have this : https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JcLRhq

not sure if i should build a high end pc with a shitty monitor or mid/low tier pc with high end monitor..

>>59715729
No I meant with the 295x2 being a dual gpu
Kinda my fault kinda not. It was technically not under warranty since I bought used on ebay, buy I was first verified seller (only used in demo build never even turned on) so they kinda did me a solid, didn't even have to do anything for me, so I wasn't about to argue. At the time to the fury x cost more than I paid for the 295x2, so I wasn't mad

>>59715645
yeah sadly I built this right before the new 10 series and the amd 460s and everything came out, but there's no point upgrading atm so I will just get a better cpu and ride it til it dies.

>>59715744
>is ryzen 1600x really worth it, if youre mainly going to game/stream/editing?
Seems like an obvious "yes"

>i don't really play vidya on high settings. so whats the best price per performance gpu?
In America it's the RX470 4GB since we can get them here for $120 or less, while the 8GB RX480 are usually $175-$200 and the 1060 6GB that's the same performance as the RX480 are usually $260+.
Or the R9 Fury, which you can get here for $235.

I have no clue what it is for your prices.
afaik 200 euros for an RX470 there which is 20% of your budget and it sounds like you need a monitor, too.

>>59715766
yeah it sucks that FM was such a dead end socket.
And FM2+ wasn't backwards compatible like AM3+ was.

>>59715796
>Seems like an obvious "yes"
yeah, i just hope it doesnt cost as much as the 1700 in us.

>Or the R9 Fury, which you can get here for $235.
holy shit, that's dirt cheap.. here in eu, a 1060 cost around 290 euro to 400 euro. the fury.. 500 to 600 ahahaha

and yes i need a monitor too, thinking about getting 144hz.

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thoughts?
thinking of replacing my 750ti and monitor (https://www.amazon.com/Dell-E207WFP-20-1-Widescreen-Monitor/dp/B000LZARRU) but they'll be the most pricey and my budget is only around €1,300, plus the monitor has already served me well for over a decade

>>59705565
>If 1 milion mobos works ok for 10 years and yours breaks after a year there is no other explanation.
>Thats why theres warranty - they know there can be problems and issues in time.

After a quick check it would seem that even high-end (gaming/consumer) motherboards tend to have 3-year warranty, not 10-year. And I'm pretty sure the motherboard is one of the more common internal components to shit itself.

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>>59716403
What is the lowest temperature desktop CPU for the performance? a celeron g3900 with a cooler master nepton 280l? i want a itx that always stays cold.

http://www.corsair.com/en-us/landing/one
It might be the first pre-built system that has some sort of uniqueness to it. Still kind of pricey but the fact that they showed all that shit into a small case is impressive.

My 290x has had a good run, but its time for an upgrade. I have a 2560x1600 monitor, the 1080 gtx should do the job, right? Or should I wait for the next batch of cards? I could go AMD or Nvidia.

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On a tight $500 budget build here, is it good enough? I will upgrade to an i5/r3 when I have the money maybe next year.

>>59717202
build used

I'm about to buy a GTX 1060 6gb card with dual fans. I've had three different EVGA cards in the past and they've always been great. Now I hear that they've gotten cheap, i.e. their 1060 cards don't have backplates. I've also heard that their cooling fans haven't kept up with competition as far as noise.

So I started looking at other cards and I'm considering a Gigabyte card. The 6gb Gigabyte card has a backplate and everyone's saying good things about the HSF.

Is this an accurate assessment? Should I consider a different brand altogether? Should I stick with EVGA?

>>59716980
Depends on the game. On some new games the GTX 1080 might not be able to push a consistent 60fps at 1600p. At 1440p, yes.

>>59717202
get 500w if you're going to upgrade.

>>59717202
You can get the Asus Radeon RX 480 4GB Dual Video Card for 188$. Would recommend that instead of that 470.
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/WfyxFT/asus-radeon-rx-480-4gb-dual-video-card-dual-rx480-o4g

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>>59710294
>121°C

>>59717339
Okay thanks.

>>59717352
Woah I did not see that, thank you very much.

>>59717265
I don't have a problem with my EVGA 970. But like you said, no backplate even though my EVGA 760 had one. I'm usually in a noisy room anyway though with a ceiling fan on full blast above me, couldn't hear if it was noisy or not honestly.

>>59716172
>babby lake
just wait for ryzen 5 early next week

>>59717419
dunno man I currently have an AMD CPU and the memes about high temps and house fires seem valid

>>59717414
The weird thing is I have an evga 960 and it even has a backplate. So I thought this was a recent thing with their lower tier cards, which the 970 is not. Interesting.

>>59717434
Ryzen is a completely different beast bro. I have an FX-8350 and yes it does get quite hot. But the lower end Ryzen chips have a 65w TDP, and the high end ones have a 95w TDP. 65w puts it in line with an i3, and 95w is just a hair more than a K series CPU.

>>59717434
if you think FX is hot the wait until you feel the power (consumption) of kaby lake

>>59717478
>>59717513
should I bother with it if I'm not going to OC though?

Should I go for gtx 1080 for longevity and future proofing even though I game at 1080p?

I have been given a 1080 Ti as a gift. I'm looking for an absurd monitor to go with it. Primary use is gaming - other than that it's just anime and occasional dev stuff. Price is not a big concern.

Mostly debating between an ultra wide (like the Asus PG348Q) or a proper 4K monitor (namely the Acer XB321HK). I've never had an ultra wide before so I don't really know what to expect in that regard. Thoughts/advice? Better ideas?

The fan cables for my case are three pins instead of four holes what is this shit.

>>59717419
>>59717478
If you mainly just game, what's the point of going Ryzen? It seems like not enough developers give a shit to make games for anything but single core threading, which intel still beats ryzen out on every time.
Typically game developers go for the largest market, so to me that says they're going to continue developing in favor of intels superior single core threaded cpus than trying to be innovative.

>>59717616
Typically your GPU is where your pc will be throttled, assuming you have a relatively new/decent cpu.
That said, a 1060 would be able to suffice if you just want to game 1080 60hz. If you have the extra money you could either go big now, or just bank it until some new cards come out and either get a discounted newish card, or go for the newest. It's a gamble m8

>>59717832
I haven't built yet but cpu would be i7 7700k and I might not upgrade for a really long while since it'd my first pc

>>59717871
If you're not tight on money / skipping out on meals (which I assume is the case based on your cpu) and you intend on keeping it for 5+ years i'd probably go for it.
Like what they were talking about earlier: >>59705786 with flash sales on the 1080 you're only spending less than a hundred dollars more to get that over a 1070, if it's in the budget.
It would allow you to switch to a 4k / 1080 144hz monitor to game in the future if you wanted. However just like anything else, prices will continue to drop as new things come out, so you could wait and see how AMD's Vegas gpu competes, and if it'll drop intels gpus in price any.

>>59717973
I see. Thanks for your advice anon

>>59717590
its still a housefire, thank intels TIM for that

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Are these prices worth it?
Dont wanna be spending much more that £150

>>59718152
no, the RX 470 is better and almost the same price

>>59718152

1080ti or bust

>>59718152
grab a 480 4gb

>>59718170
Amazon sells those for £170 unfortunately
I'm not willing to pay any higher than £150

>>59718189
kek too rich for my blood

>>59718219
then dont buy from amazon

https://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100196022%20601206485

>>59718264
I see
Thanks

does it matter which rx 480 i buy e.g msi gaming x or sapphire nitro?

>>59718466
the XFX GTR is the best 480 on the market right now

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>building first computer
>feel like it's way too easy
>think I'm doing something wrong
>boot for the first time
>nothing happens

>>59717787
>It seems like not enough developers give a shit to make games for anything but single core threading
Have you paid ANY attention in the past three years? Dual-cores are totally obsolete, dual-cores with SMT are barely good enough, and the sweet spot is quickly moving towards quad-core with SMT. AAA games are invariably becoming better threaded and there's no reason to think that'll change anytime soon, especially if the rumours about Coffee lake having mainstream hexacores are true.

At the moment the 7700k is the best gaming CPU you can get, but I'd still get a r5 1600 over it for what it costs.

>>59718525
I don't know why you retards think this shit is hard. I made so much money in HS/College building overpriced computers for idiots like you.
>Wow man you can BUILD computers? Don't you need a degree for that?!
But thanks I guess. You gave me a lot of party money.

>>59718712
Fuck off you prick, I literally said that it felt way too easy. I unplugged shit and plugged it back in and it booted fine. I also said it was my first build.

>>59718758
>you prick
>my first build
4chan is 18+ only

>>59718785
>anon can read the home page
Color me surprised.

What's the best water-cooler for AM4?

>>59707319
>4GB RAM

I had a system very similar to yours, except Phenom 956, and geforce 460, a couple 3TB HGST drives and 16GB RAM, and 1440p 60hz IPS panel.

Upgraded to R7 and RX480 on a B350 board, threw in a Samsung 960 NVME ssd, noctua u12 cooler. It's been great, I can finally play games like DS3, GTA V, Doom, and it runs them very well at 1440p.

>got a GTX 970 meme for 130 eur two months ago
>forgot about import fees
whoops, could've probably gotten a RX 480 at the similar/same price
By the way, anyone here rocking a server board for a workstation or related computer here? Mind giving some specs and price for individual parts?

>>59712536
No, you don't have to format to flash BIOS, it can be risky though, don't flash the BIOS through any utility that runs in windows. it's not so risky as some would make you think though, but I would set the BIOS back to defaults before you try flashing it.

>>59712664
Download memtest86 or run windows memory diagnostics. if that comes back clear, I would try a reformat/reinstall. If you are adverse to that, it would be fine to try the BIOS flash first, but it sounds like a windows issue to me.

>>59719095
>don't flash the BIOS through any utility that runs in windows
Can't be stressed enough.

>>59718525
That's always scary, it's happened to me, I think the first PC I built, but it's usually just something stupid that got missed or not seated all the way.

Stuff like this is why you see so many DOA motherboard review on Newegg.

>>59717616
Anyone?

>>59719042
no, but rocking a used server cpu on a generic x79 board

>>59719414
Spending more money on a GPU for "future proofing" is a bad idea.

>>59717616
>>59719491
kind of a bad idea. if you want to "future proof" your GPU, get a 1080ti. you are better off getting something reasonable like a 8gb RX480, or a 1060, and then waiting for bigger improvements and getting the next reasonable card.

It might be a good idea to wait for Vega too.

>>59719451
Which one?
Overclocked at what?

>>59719491
this

especally since the gpu is one of the easiest parts to upgrate, if there is anything you want to "futur proof", its probatly your CPU/mobo since you will probatly have to upgrade cpu mobo and ram, if you want to upgrade any one of them (for shilltel atleast)

How big is the difference between a monitor and a TV as a computer screen?

What would i notice?

>>59719529
8gb rx480 is waste of money for 1080p, get a 4gb card

>>59719451
xeon e5 2670 (8c/16t sany bridge e) with no oc at all, since i could only get it up to 101.5 on the bclk, which isn't worth it imo.

>>59719659
Noice, I'm probably going to get a dual e5 2670 setup because I can get them at 30 bux each

>>59719659
>8gb rx480 is waste of money for 1080p, get a 4gb card

good point, maybe even a 470 would be a good idea

>>59719670
just check you can get the right mobo for it before you buy anything, i got my cpu for 40$ and then had to spend 180$ for a refurbd board

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ggCXpb

Thoughts on first build? I feel like I'm way out of my depth here and I don't want to fuck anything up.

>>59719574
CPU/mobo is possible only because Intel is doing 2% IPC per year. Some years ago it was not possible.

>>59719529
>>59719491
1080 for 450$ will probably last throught RX480/580/680 AMD cards and maybe will be met with performance by RX780.
After 2-3 years you will still be able to sell 1080 for 130$+ while RX480 will be much faster replaced.

So its down to :
1. spend more less frequenty on flagships and having better performance at least for begining 2 years
2. spend less more frequently on mid range and having always mid performance

What is better depends on your initial budget and what resolution/fps are you playing.
If you want 1080p/144Hz then you dont have much of a choice except 1080.
Same with 1440p.

>>59720130
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ggCXpb
Add 70$ to 1080. Read
>>59705786
and replies

>>59720154
(cont.)
there is no better way to spend 70$ for gaming than this upgrade if you need to buy now.
If not now then wait for Vega and prices then.

>>59719670
>>59719725
Its also good idea to check the board if it set turbo for all cores at all times. Friend got a 8 core Ivy Bridge Xeon to somewhere near 4GHz with all core turbo enabled.

>>59720135
Cpu would be i7 7700k and monitor is 1080p 60hz

>>59720135
that's a good point, I just think the 1080 will be overkill for 1080p, especially at 60hz
>>59720274
if you aren't planning to go 1440p, or 120/144hz monitor, 1080 is a bit much, IMO

>>59720154
>>59720221
Where is it selling for 450?

>>59720294
No idea, Im not from US, but people in this thread said there are even for 420$ with some sales.

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>>59720291
Too much on the beginning maybe, but that also mean it will last you longer.
You either buy cheaper than 1070 for 1080p/60 now and think of upgrade next year or 2 years or buy 1080 that will last you at least 3 years with 1080p/60.
1070 is between those and its hard to justify its price unless its like 299$

>>59720644
same as >>59720154
get 1080 or wait for post-Vega prices.
Better wait.

>>59720644
Sometimes I think its useless to write anything in this threads since people dont read 3 posts above with exacly same questions.

>>59720688
It's impossible for me to get 1080 because I have 1000 euro limit. I'm gonna wait about 2 months though because I'm still grinding money for the build.

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My last build. i'm very happy (i love 1024p and the 75hz)

greetings from Chile

>>59720291
>>59720671
I might upgrade down the line to a better monitor for now I'm stuck with my hdtv

>>59720775
then wait for Vega, it might make prices go down more so you buy 1070 cheaper (or maybe 1080 will make to 450E,unlikely tho) or you buy Vega.

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Nier gets 35-55fps and i already played Witcher 3 with 30 fps. It's annoying, so which graphics card should i buy?

Is the 1060 good in the price/perf department?

Looking into buying a 144hz monitor, any opinions of:

https://www.amazon.com/BenQ-Console-eSports-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B01H5KKRLO/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1491243091&sr=1-8&keywords=benq+144hz

https://www.amazon.com/VG248QE-1920x1080-144Hz-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B00B2HH7G0/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1491243091&sr=1-2&keywords=benq+144hz

https://www.amazon.com/AOC-G2460PF-24-Inch-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B01BV1XBEI/ref=sr_1_12?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1491243091&sr=1-12&keywords=benq+144hz

Or any recommendations of anything else under about 250?

>>59720860
if its just for witcher 3 then 1060 6gb is fine, else get a rx480, although like 5%slower it is still a better deal with the recent pricedrops

X270 motherboard and CPU arrive tomorrow, anything I should know?

I have not built a pc since socket1366

>>59720778
> 12gb single channel
wut

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I have $1000 to blow on a new computer, I have a mouse and keyboard but thats it (laptop user). My questions are:
-how would pic related work? I don't need power and I would almost only be using the desktop when i want to work on dual screen which isnt more than office or basic tasks
-anything i should change?
-i believe a 480 8gb should be more than enough for dual 1080p especially because i wont be gaming, but for normal tasks would it be good enough gaming too? by gaming i mean gta4/5 with graphics mods nothing *too* intensive or new (at least until GTA6 comes out)

>>59716942
Yeah, it's not bad, and not terribly overpriced.

But the upgradability sucks ass. You can't even use the M.2 slot on the board, too.

>>59716980
GCN scales better with higher resolutions, so you might be better off waiting for Vega.
I'm on a 7970 and 1920x1200 and looking to upgrade to 2560x1600, myself.

>>59717202
That's too much for an RX470.. you can find them at $110-$120, or even less.
For $200 or less, you can get an RX480 8GB.
imo I'd get a bigger SSD and get a cheaper RX470.
The SSD will probably be with you for 10+ years. The GPU you'll replace in 2-4.

>>59717339
>>59717384
450w is fine.
g4560+rx470 will use well under 350w. Still plenty of room to upgrade since a Ryzen 4c/8t probably uses almost the same power as the G4560 and Polaris isn't very energy efficient now days.

>>59717434
Ryzen are about 30-50% more power efficient than Kabylake, despite being on a 10% larger manufacturing process...

>>59717616
1080 might not be quite good enough for future proofing, though it's great for games today and great performance/$ currently if you find one around $420 which they often show up at with flash sales.
Vega will be much more future proof since it can use its VRAM as cache and use your system RAM as VRAM.
The moment a game uses 1MB over 8GB of VRAM, a 1080 stops being good.

>>59721052
also me again, i forgot to mention. I already have a core 1000 and a xion 700w psu on hand, should i reuse those? I want the board to be ITX because ive been craving ITX for ever. Im also dubious about the cooler - i just need it to be quiet as i dont intend to (and i cant) overclock anything.

>>59721022
i'm using 2x4gb for the cpu1 and 1x4gb for the cpu2.

if i'm wrong, can you help me ?

Thanks

>>59720964
It's also Nier Automata.
Although it's poorly optimized and technically not fully my GPU's fault, i still want to get 60fps.

At my location, the 1060 is 280€ and the 480 4gb with good cooling (non-housefire editions) are 240€-250€.

>>59717787
>It seems like not enough developers give a shit to make games for anything but single core threading
Uh? This is complete bullshit.
Most games the past few years use 8 software threads minimum.

Even since Broadwell, well before Skylake, it was becoming very apparent that games were benefiting from 4c/8t over 4c/4t.
"Real world" results even more so than sterile benchmarking results, where you have other applications running in the background like Discord, a browser open, etc.

>>59718152
Well the RX470 is 170 euro, right?
15% more money for a GPU that's 40-50% more powerful is well, well worth it.

Unless you're doing a mITX build, then the 1050Ti is good.

I think you need to forget about an absolute "150 euro budget" when you can get something up to 50% faster for only 20 euro more.

>>59718264
what the fuck. I've been lied to by eurofags. The RX470s are cheaper there, too, and they're just too poor to search better.

>>59720940
My subjective opinion is that Asus monitors are pretty good, considering how often i read how people recommend them after purchase.

>>59721149
>Asus
chink botnet

>>59721157
My monitor is a botnet?

>>59721177
In the age of IoT everything that uses electricity is a botnet

>>59721070
if you want quiet, dont get a blower cooler gpu.
also 8gb rx480 is a bit much for 1080p@60
unless you plan to do an eyfinity setpu and have you game run on both screens, then you might need something like a gtx1070. however it will probtaly look like shit with you games beeing split in the middle, so if you want that you should concidder getting a 3rd screen. or you just do the smart thing and just game on 1 screen and use the other screen for what ever you want. if you decide to do just that, a rx470 4gb will also be better choice

>>59721195
thanks, but im thinking like have netflix open on one screen and have excel on the other. 1070 might be too much; and yeah as far as games go i was thinking of running one game on one screen and having something like spotify open on the other.
so rx470 would be okay?
how painful would a non-modular psu be in an itx case? the S12II-620 is $49.90 on amazon...

>>59718466
XFX GTR is the best but from what I've seen it costs 20% more than the others ever do, if not more.

In the USA I haven't seen them under like $240 when you can often get another decent one for $175-$200.

XFX GTR is better, but not 20% better.

>>59719700
Yeah, for a 4GB card the RX470 is way better performance/$. But getting an 8GB 470 is pretty silly.

>>59720130
Too much money for a 1070.
You can get a 1080 for slightly more.
Look for 1070s on sale for closer to $325.
Could also get an R9 Fury for $235 which is 80-95% as good as the 1070 in most cases.

Other components look good, though.

>>59720135
Next SKUs for intel is bringing 6c/12t CPUs on the mainstream socket. Z270 almost surely won't be compatible even with a BIOS flash.

>>59720644
Looks pretty good considering how shity euro GPU prices apparently are.
The rest of the components look like good value, at least.
You would be more than fine with 550W, though.

>>59721009
What's an X270?

>>59721052
>$1000
>g4560
huh.

Oh the two monitors..

Ditch the cooler, Corsair CXM is junk and you can get a 550W seasonic gold rated PSU for cheaper.
Use that savings to upgrade the SSD to the 525GB.

Would frankly consider a cheaper RX480. That's not even the GTR. You can get other good models for $175-$200, generally. Someone linked to a $188 one earlier.

>>59721119
In some cases you can just turn down shadows or something or some benign setting and increase your FPS by 50%.

>>59721256
anon how is the CSM?
i can get a CS550M for $79.99. the 550w gold is $64.99 but in a small itx case im not sure how shitty it would be for non modular...

>>59721064
>Vega will be much more future proof since it can use its VRAM as cache and use your system RAM as VRAM.
>The moment a game uses 1MB over 8GB of VRAM, a 1080 stops being good.
the fuck am I reading there? Texturing in RAM was possible since AGP.
It is still very much possible using PCIE.
On my R290X 4GB and 16GB RAM it can adress up to 12GB of total VRAM.

>>59721233
> how painful would a non-modular psu be in an itx case? the S12II-620 is $49.90 on amazon...
very

i dont do netflix but i usually game just on the middle screen, with google botnet video beeing open on another screen, and the 3rd screen beeing occupied by we it is im working on.
im currently on a r9 290 (somewhere in between rx470 and 480 in performance) and i dont notice any lag

>>59721349
okay, should i buy an older gen used card?

>>59721329
I suggest you look at some 1060 benchmarks, especially ones that compare 3 GB vs 6 GB. While the 3 GB version is always a bit slower, you can see it take a noticeable performance hit any time it runs out of VRAM.

Not that 8 GB of VRAM will stop being enough anytime soon except maybe in a few niche cases where you're running a game at 4k with a mod that adds high-res textures or some shit.

>>59721383
not such a great idea for itx, because they produce a lot of heat -> more noise

>>59721399

AMD has been using system meory as a cache for years - its why the likes of hawaii report dynamic memory in cpu-z. While a little old Hardocp did a piece on the matter and the tl;dr is due to this caching it takes a lot of memory usage to kill a fury x. This is (in simplistic terms) what AMD was talking about in that you don't need more vram, you need better vram management. Vega's HBC is just an evolution of that.

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/02/29/rise_tomb_raider_graphics_features_performance/13 Can only find an article focusing on specific titles, but this is as good as any.

>>59721307
CSM sucks too. All the cheaper corsair models are bad now days since they switched manufacturers.

There is the 550RM which is a semi-modular and you can find for $60-$70.

It doesn't look like your other components are for mITX, too. wtf?

>>59721399
>you can see it take a noticeable performance hit any time it runs out of VRAM.
Indeed. This always must be taken note of.

There are a number of games using 5-7GB+ right now maxed, though that's generally for high resolution textures for 4K and you can just turn textures down from maxed for 1080.

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Um, so, I'm a complete newfag in this area so I apologise in advance if I fucked up somewhere.
Mainly I just want to play the occasional vidya(DS3, OW all that basic shit), mid settings and higher, don't really care about 60fps, just need for fps to stay around 40 and not drop below(or rarely drop below) 30.
Other than that maybe some light video/image editing, internet browsing and media consumption.
I was originally thinking of getting a fx 6300 instead but many people told me it's shit so I went for the heavily reccomended g4560.
I also am an yuropoor that lives in bumfuck nowhere, so I won't be ordering online because shipping prices are outrageous, that's why for example the case is missing etc.
My main concerns are the fps not dropping below 30 all the time, budget friendly and for it to last around 5 years or so(ofc I'm not expecting to run games that come out 5 years later on high but I'd like to be able to run them on low at least)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZJv9Ps

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rate pls, have 1k to spend on a computer, want to use it for heavy gaming, and not have to replace anything for the next 3-4 years (i'll be in college)

>>59721493
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZJv9Ps
looks fine to me, but you might check if you can get a single 8gb dimm for cheamer than 2x4

>>59721481
Does it do that in Polaris, or just Fiji?

Because the 970 just completely craps out and performs worse than an RX460(which is about half the performance of a RX470), when something uses more VRAM than it has.
But that might be more to do with games thinking it has 4GB when it has 3.5GB.

Comparing 2 4GB cards, the 1050Ti and RX470GB, they seem to equally drop in performance when VRAM starved.

>>59721493
Even with the extra cooler coming "free" from that site.. I don't see the point in an aftermarket cooler for a G4560.
You can find good motherboards about $10 cheaper, generally.
Why are you spending $135 for a 1050Ti when you can get an RX470 for $110-$135 which is 40-50% more performant?
You could also probably find better 1x8GB RAM for the same price. Like some 2666.

Looks fine basically, besides those 4 things.

>>59721536
if you can, w8 for ryzen 5, if not go ahead and build it looks fine to me except you might also need an hdd for mass storage

>>59721536
i5 aren't worth getting.

They were hardly worth getting as of around Broadwell years ago where it was becoming very common for games to utilize hyperthreading decently moe often than not, and hyperthreaded Pentiums more recently completely killed them off.

>>59721399
Because RAM is a lot slower than VRAM for GPU.
Thats why it doesnt crash or stops, it uses more than 3GB but it a lot slower.
Think as HDD swap for RAM.
AMD may have batter implementation of this or Nvidia might not optimize this at all since its much slower and not worth it.
But like I said this is nothing new and was already implemented with AGP.

>>59721493
Consider switching the 1050 ti for a 470 unless the latter is MUCH more expensive.
>last around 5 years or so
In your dreams. If you want to be able to run new games at playable framerates three years from now(let alone five), you'll need to spend more money(or be prepared to upgrade somewhere along the way). Even if you upgrade the GPU, I have serious doubts about the longevity of the g4560 - it's a great CPU for the price and it can play pretty much all new games at acceptable framerates, but the same could be said about the g3258 three years ago, and just look at where it stands in new games.

>>59703841
You'll hit 60fps at ultra outside of the city, but in the city you'll need to turn down shadow draw and likely hit 30 (just the nature of the game)

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>>59721581

>Does it do that in Polaris, or just Fiji?

Even hawaii supports it.

>But that might be more to do with games thinking it has 4GB when it has 3.5GB.

The 970 (along with the ancient 660ti) die a painful death in that last block of vram due to the drop in bandwidth that goes with it. The 970 is hit particularly hard due to the slow vram also throttling read/write bandwidth to the faster portion.

>>59721581
i thought nvidia has disabled the last 500mb of slow vram on the 970 in drivers
idc about polaris but it does that in both fiji and hawaii

>>59721581
>Why are you spending $135 for a 1050Ti when you can get an RX470 for $110-$135 which is 40-50% more performant?
because RX470 costs around 50 bucks more than the 1050ti. But I can wait for some sales and get a RX470 instead
>>59721648
Thanks for answering the longetivity question. About the RX470, I already answered that question to the anon above you. About the CPU, I'd probably upgrade in about 3 years or so anyway, I just wanted to make sure that in the worst case scenario it would be able to still function after the 3-5 years.

>>59706206
You won't notice a difference, no. Go for whichever CPU + mobo combo is cheaper

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>>59721581
this is my R290X $GB VRAM.
Przyb. calk. il. pamieci (retarded windows shortcuts) = approx total memory
and you see its 12GB.

This function is even called AGP texturing (see on bottom, Przysp. teksturowania AGP)

>>59710167
>>59710074
Don't listen to this guy, Steam Machines will cost more at equivalent power

>>59721681
>i thought nvidia has disabled the last 500mb of slow vram on the 970 in drivers
I thought so too, but I've seen many new game benchmarks with new drivers like RE7 and the 970 performs far worse than the RX460 in them.

Even in an Nvidia optimized Gameworks game like GR Wildlands, the RX460 outperforms the GTX 970, iirc, or it's very close (which it shouldn't be).

>>59721696
>because RX470 costs around 50 bucks more than the 1050ti.
No it doesn't. An RX470 costs $110-$135.
How is $110-$135 50 bucks more than $135? It's not.
You're not looking correctly if you're not finding RX470s for cheaper than a 1050Ti, generally. Pretty much every day there's a cheaper one.

>>59721735
Oh. Even my 7970 has that. Do Nvidia cards don't?
The whole "high bandwidth cache" in Vega is supposed to be much better than previous cards.

>>59721604
Ok, I actually should wait, but won't it be hard to find a mobo for it?

>>59721639
Ok, I'll probably wait for ryzen 5 to come out

>>59721780
As I said before I live in bumfuck nowhere, so the import fees on RX470 somehow has to be bigger than on 1050ti's here. It's not 50 bucks but it's around 35 dollars at least

>>59721780
>No it doesn't. An RX470 costs $110-$135.
He specifically said that he's an European shopping locally, so I doubt he would be finding those prices.

Looking to build a new PC and I need help. Should I get a Ryzen 5 1500X or an i5-7500? Both will be running with 16GB of 2400mhz RAM and a GTX 1060 6GB.

>>59721806
idk, got my x370 borad last week

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>>59721808
You gave prices in USD earlier.
The Euro prices for RX470s are even cheaper at the moment.

>>59721814
Why shop locally instead of buying from newegg in europe?
Explain this to me.

Isn't that part of what EU laws are for, to make cross country-trading easier like cross-state?

>>59721780
>Oh. Even my 7970 has that. Do Nvidia cards don't?
They probably do but as I wrote here >>59721640 it might be driver level thing if/how they use it.

>The whole "high bandwidth cache" in Vega is supposed to be much better than previous cards.
http://wccftech.com/amds-vega-doubles-usable-graphics-memory/
This has NOTHING to do with RAM at all from what I can see here.
This controller is for frame buffer and to limit aplications from allocating and clogging shitloads of VRAM while they dont use it at all (see screenshot with W3 and Fallout4)
How this works in real world - remain to be seen.

>>59721848
My country doesn't have Euro as it's currency so I get fucked over by currency tranfers, that's why I would prefer shopping locally

>>59721848
>Isn't that part of what EU laws are for, to make cross country-trading easier like cross-state?

That only applies to WITHIN EU, not US companies like Newegg. If you order something that gets delivered from US, you still get hit with taxes and customs fees.

>>59721819
you should also considder r5 1400 if you want to oc it. also locked i5's arent worth it anymore imo.

NEW THREAD

>>59721868
>>59721868
>>59721868
>>59721868
>>59721868

>>59721887
where are you from then

>>59721848
Oh, that was pounds that was linked earlier >>59718264

>>59721893
Yes. But I meant ordering from some place in Europe. Are they still that much more expensive?
I don't know how to search your stores, so I'm generally asking. Cheapest RX470 I see is 181 Euro.
I heard someone found one for 170 earlier.

You do have to consider the RX470 is 40-50% faster than the 1050Ti. If it's more performance/$, it's generally worth stretching your budget so you can stretch out more time before you upgrade later.

>>59721932
Czech Republic, it isn't a shithole but we were dickheads and didn't transfer to euro when it was the most valuable for us and now we're fucked.

>>59721936
https://geizhals.eu/his-radeon-rx-470-icooler-oc-hs-470r4scnr-a1523977.html?hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu

>>59721947
last time i was in prague (2007) they did have € did you change back or something?

>>59722003
We never had euros, you can shop and pay with with euros but our main currency is czech crowns(Kč).

>>59703034
What's the lowest end build that's good enough for drawing/art? My brother draws using a Wacom pad but he's using a cheap laptop that's running on an i5 core processor with 4gbs of ram. He has lag at time with lots of sprites so I'm wondering what would be a reasonable build at a low price.

>>59721958
That seems like a good price, then.
170 euro for a RX470 over a 135 euro 1050Ti is a no brainer.

Plus not needing the converter.

>>59721947
>>59722017
Have you attempted haggling with the retailers?

imo a 1050Ti is just not good enough to be worth buying except for a mITX build. It will become obsolete much sooner than the 470.

>>59722003
Slovakia has Euros

>>59722191
>have you attempted haggling with the retailers
I don't think that is going to work buddy, it's a regular electronics specialized shop chain or whatever. I'll take the RX470 in the end,probs. Thank you all for help, anons, really appreciate it.

>>59722572
>>59722572

New thread since sagay keeps being a huge faggot that never helps anyone and just shills.

>>59722572
>>59722572

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>>59707319
>I never posted the link

It's here
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z6hpJV

>>59703340
What's up with that RAM friendito. Get at least 2400 if you're getting a fucking 1070

>>59723560
see
>>59722584
This thread is past the bump limit.