/wt/ Watch Thread

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Alright /seikogeneral/

Can anyone give me the quick gestalt on the 6139 series of chronographs? Any former or current owners? What to look for when buying?

I love me some chronos and something like this really stands out from the pack, and being one of the first automatic chronographs is pretty neat too.

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First for the greatest achievement of watchmaking, ever.

Why don't we appreciate the modern technology in quartz watches a bit more? Talk about it? Not call it dogshit?

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The Bagelmeme is still alive

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>>59685928
>Being Swedish
>Bagelmeme
How poor in Sweden does one have to be to buy and post Bagelmemes

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>>59685796
>mfw Ninefag foaming at the mouth when he reads the OP

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>>59685910
Spencer Klein has a very good video explain proper handling and common issues. (Appliable to 6138's as well).

>>59685913
we talk about nice quartz watches but most quartz watches ARE dogshit. well, most watches in general are dogshit

>>59685910
I would really look into and consider the Daini Seikosha produced 701x chronographs over the Suwa Seikosha produced 613x. The Daini caliber is, as usual, more reliable and less prone to developing issues, in particular it does not share the 613x's tendency to the vertical clutches wearing out.

They can often also be found much cheaper than the more well known 613x series.

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I'm surprised at how much better I like the two tone datejust on leather. I don't think I could see myself wearing it on the jubilee to be honest.

>>59685913
Because quartz movements are much cheaper to make in this day and age, and yet mallcore watches with average finishes and plain boring designs cost and arm and a leg.

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I took the caseback off of my Explorer II because I wanted to look at the superior Swiss movement and honestly it's just stunning. It's significantly shinier than the pic shows as everything is rhodium plated and it really catches the light. Engine turning is used as the main "fancy" finishing done to the movement, and is most prominent on the balance bridge. It can also just slightly be seen on some lower plates as well. Although the tops of most everything are fairly plain, the sides on just about every part have been polished to a mirror which really make the movement take on a new character as you turn it in your hand. One note about the movement as well is how quietly it ticks along, being barely noticeable if at all unless you put your ear right next to it. The 3185 movement really is a GOAT piece of machinery and I'm surprised how cheap 16570 Explorer IIs are in the market.

Will be buying another Rolex/10

>>59686449
Now screw it back, faggot, it's a proper Swiss chronometer not a Vostok 2416. You could probably tell from the timegrapher signal if it has been opened.

>>59686492
What on earth are you talking about.

>>59686492
>>59686541

He's one of those people who see mechanical watch movements as some mystical black box technology and therefore thinks there will be some negative effect from having the caseback off unless you are in a microprocessor production room facility type clean room.

>>59686274
You have very dainty wrists.

>>59686541
senpai you've just ruined its waterproofing and got a bunch of dust in the case. you should probably get it serviced again.

>>59686541
You don't just open that shit. It might be contaminated now. If it's a Vostok, Orient, 7S26 or similar it's too innacurate for it to have an effect, but if it's a certified chronometer you probably hurt some accuracy right now.

>>59686643
>>59686658
Yo know what also gets the back opened? Getting it serviced.

>>59686541
btw those gaskets are not reusable haha

>>59686642
>I'll take things that have literally never been said about the fat Canadian for $200, Alex.

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Possibly stupid question, but does this style of bracelet have a name? I see it every once and a while and I really like it, so it would be helpful to know what it's called (if it's called anything).

>>59686643
>>59686658
>>59686675
>>59686676

The cluelessness is real. You aren't going to get dust in the case just by having it open. Have any of you ever seen a watchmaker actually work on a watch before? Do you think they all have electrostatic clean rooms?

As for the gaskets, as long as they are greasers properly and not pinched in the opening and closing of the case, they can totally be reused. If you are paranoid just get a pressure test done after you are done.

I've opened most of my watches many times in fine tuning their regulation and have never had an issue. I just buy spare gaskets in case pinch one and have a silicone gasket greaser. It's not rocket surgery.

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>>59686091
>>59686251
Thanks lads. Some really nice pieces in that 701x range.. Damn. I wish I could just splurge and pick a few different models up.

Found a video by Spencer showing a 7018 like pic related, what a beauty

>>59686274
When did you pick this up? Always good to see new purchases

>>59686727
senpai, i am in watchmaking school, most of my teachers do rolex.
if they are any good they work on thourougly cleaned workbenches in a clean, dust free workshop.
like it or not you are getting dust in your watch, (is it on a carpet in that pic??) probably not nearly enough to have any effect on the movement but still i wouldnt want it in my watch. Especially with a rolex i do not see the point of opening the caseback just to see the movement.

also, Rolex guidelines state that whenever the caseback is opened they replace the caseback gasket and that with every service they replace all gaskets. i would replace it desu.

>>59686879
It was my dad's, I just finally decided to get it serviced after seeing some pictures of two tone datejusts on leather and realizing I liked it about 10,000 times more than the two tone jubilee.

The 3135 of a great movement too. It had been sitting for 5 years since last being worn, I wound it, and it immediately had ~290 degrees of amplitude and ran between -3 and +3 in 6 positions. After 5 years. Madness.

>>59686946
You sound really paranoid. It was on my kitchen table on a little padded thing and I didn't breath on it or otherwise expose it to conditions where dust is going to be blown/fall on it. I ogled it, took a photo, and carefully placed the caseback back on and tightened it down with a tool to where it was before. It's fine.

There is exactly a zero percent change I'm taking it for a service especially because I've seen my watchmakers workplace and he doesn't have some positive airflow, hypo-particulate environment and he specializes in JLC, Rolex, and Patek.

>>59686946
I'm not that poster, I am only commenting because I regulate my own watches and am used to opening and closing them to do so.

Obviously you should be using a clean, neat workspace, and I also always wear a hat when working on an open watch. As long as it's a reasonably clean and dust free room and you take reasonable care it is fine. Even watchmakers don't have or use electrostatic clean rooms.

As for Rolex's guidelines there are good reasons for them. Normally the time between caseback openings is long enough that it makes sense to not risk the gasket having hardened due to age or been pinched in opening or closing the caseback. And actually, if it had been a while since he last had it serviced I'd agree that changing the caseback gasket would be sensible.

However, if you inspect the gasket and it is in good condition, not stretched and remains pliable it will 99.99% work just fine as long as it's greased.

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I am thinking of ordering a amphibia with a custom bezel pre-installed. Is 110usd too expensive?

What bezel should I get? Dark blue (pic related)? Black?

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>>59687010
but his workbench is clean, right?

>>59687031
fair enough, check the gasket thouroughly for cracks or tears though.

all im saying is, it would be shame to get moisture damage in your rolex

>>59687242
>but his workbench is clean, right?

Well it doesn't look particularly dirty but he has watches and shit scattered everywhere on his clustered desk and it's in a room where he has approximately 100 clocks either on the walls or lying about.

It's about the opposite of some white, laboratory watchmaker's shop that you would imagine.

>>59685796
>watch tread
>post's a extremely unrespected watch youtube reviewer
>R u retarded kid

>>59687339
>not understanding sarcasm
>R u retarded kid

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I just found out that picrelated exists. Is there anything out there at similar tier of ultra-minimalism, but at least twice cheaper? I'm poor.

>>59687403
Type "minimalist watch black" on aliexpress

>>59687433
noooooooooooooooo, I am poor, but somehow I don't want a 5$ aliexpress watch. I've had one, that was more than enough. And I honestly doubt those 20$ or 50$ ones there are any better.

>>59687581
theyre the same quality

>>59687593
Same to what? 5$ aliexpres to 50$ aliexpress? I'm inclined to agree.

Anyhow, fuck aliexpress. What's a decent sub-100EUR minimalistic watch? Does it exist?

>>59687581
>>59687640

They're all the same $2 miyota quartz movement in a $2 chinese case

$5 aliexpress, $50 aliexpress, or your retarded $200 fashion watch

Same shit

>>59687640
Orient Bambino is a decent option.

Otherwise search for a new Seiko 5 you like.

>>59685928
It isn't ;_;
I can't buy one today

>>59685913

The greatest achievement in the history of watchmaking is undoubtedly the Swiss lever escapement, which transformed wristwatches from expensive and unreliable curiosities into practical and reliable tools. The development of quartz was merely a minor and incremental improvement.

>>59687239
>Is 110usd too expensive?

It's a fair price for the original watch, shipping from russia to the modder, bezel parts, and installation labor. Only you can answer whether it's too expensive for you.

>>59686715
The hair puller

>>59687653
>They're all the same $2 miyota quartz movement in a $2 chinese case
>$5 aliexpress, $50 aliexpress, or your retarded $200 fashion watch
Thanks for the quality information.

>>59687655
>Orient Bambino
>minimalistic
well it kinda is, in a classic sense, but nowhere near the kind of looks I posted
>sub-100EUR
it isn't

>>59687655
>Seiko 5
which one?
SNK809 has a beautiful body to my taste, hands are no-nonsense, the dial could be more simplistic, but I do like that font, reminds me of Bauhaus or something

> when people say orient bambino are $200

Where the fuck are you buying these?

TGV featured the bambino as best dress watch under $150

If I go on amazon they're $300+

>>59688297
>well it kinda is, in a classic sense, but nowhere near the kind of looks I posted

Going any more minimal than a Bambino betrays a certain tone-deafness on your part. The watch you posted is really extreme in its design and will stand out much more, looking very strange compared to a normal classic design.

>tfw want a good non ETA mechanical chronograph
>don't want to spend $5000

>>59688357
>when people say orient bambino are $200
>Where the fuck are you buying these?

They are 140~165$ shipped on eBay, and i'm talking about the Gen2 with the hacking and handwinding.

>>59688407
You could go the vintage route, or get one of the 8R28 powered Seiko Brightz chronographs.

>>59688297
>Thanks for the quality information.
You're welcome

>>59688407
S e a g u l l

>>59688407
Get an 8r seiko chrono, I love my SARK005. You can find the older 6s ones used in the same price range too.

Fuck it, I'm getting rid of all my shitters except:
>Seiko SKX007 + Super Jubilee bracelet
>Orient Bambino
Any other crap is pointless rn.

/wt/, I will be back in a few years when I finally start buying non-shitter watches.

>>59688508
>/wt/, I will be back in a few years when I finally start buying non-shitter watches.
What will you get

>>59688405
>tone-deafness
>really extreme in its design
>calling a watch which isn't even neon pink this
I can't care less how extreme or anything this cute black thing is from a normie watch connoisseur's viewpoint. I'm not a lawyer and I didn't come here for advice how to develop a "good" taste, I posted a pic of what I find truly beautiful and asked for advice how to find something in similar looks, just cheaper.
Gah, /wt/ must be the most conformistic place on all /g/.

>>59688547
A rollie day-date or a datejust 6694.

>>59688582

I'm talking about out in the world with normal people. You are going to look weird.

>>59688426
Now where do I look for some guide into which sub-100EUR watches come with better movements than 2$ chink ones?

>>59688641
Seiko 5 series.

>>59688635
Thankfully I don't have to deal with such extremely "normal" people where whichever watch would matter at all, and even if I would, the watch would be the very last thing that could make me look more weird or more "normal". Every now and then I see people on /tpg/ saying that someone with a gaming laptop or certain anime stickers on his laptop or this or that would look cringy in "normal" public and I can't stop wondering how that would work in real life (because the only case what I can imagine where a laptop would look odd would be if it were an obvious 90s brick or smeared with shit all over, etc.), but you guys are way worse.

>>59688659
Which one? Or are they all the same tier mechanically?

>>59687242
Hey ben jij niet diegene die bij de vakschool schoonhoven leert? Hoe bevalt het sinds de verbouwing?

>When you report the fuckheads spruking their shitter watch scams

>>59689410
It was a joke lad, keep getting spammed with targeted ads for it. The reaction video is honestly one of the least convincing things I've ever seen in my life to the point where it's hilarious.

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>ywn fuck countless women on your billion dollar yacht in Monaco wearing pic related

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Plz no bully I also have a 800€ seiko sportura and a 5€ rolex somewhere

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>>59689543

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Removed the bezel of my Amphibirskie, now it looks like a Slav Rolex explorer. I'm digging it.

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Rate my Fortis B42 Auto

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>>59689558

I said no bullying

My next watch is a red tudor black bay or a green rolex or maybe a blue one

Or this 40k€ dragon watch when my parents die and leave me money for the thug life

>>59689604
couldn't help it m8.
get a blue dial milgauss or >>59689528


Don't buy this ugly dragon

>>59689604
I wouldn't pay 40 € let alone 40k.

Are there any nice divers in 38mm which have Pepsi bezel? Did sheik on make any 38mm divers?

>>59689604

why do you keep listing the prices

>>59689631

Prices are important, especially for Seiko.

Also said 5€ rolex because its a chinese watch I got at age 15 and broke on the way home from the store

And 40k€ Jaque Droz to give the watch some context.

Look at how deep the detail on that dial is, it must look amazing in real life and even on video.

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>>59689528
Sounds like it would get boring real quick desu.

>>59688405
Look, >>59689604 now that's something actually
>extreme in its design

>>59689784

Like I said: tone-deaf. You just don't seem to grasp how bizarre and conspicuous it is to have a blank black watch.

>>59689746
Nice Orient Bambino homage m8.

>>59689626
SKX015

>>59689016
>tfw when u dox yourself

het nieuwe gebouw is mooi, nieuwe werkbanken en draaibanken zijn fijn.

>>59689528
THICC

>>59689784

The dragon watch probably does not pop out like a retard tier Invicta, its probably closer to earth tones and very flat on the wrist, unless you show it to someone, then its awesome detail. My pic sucks, find better ones.

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> seiko and miyota are producing non hacking movements in 2017

>>59689784

this is a very common and false mindset we see in people seeking "minimal" watches. they have this misguided idea that minimal = clean, modern, subdued, simple, etc. but this is very wrong. they forget that watches are worn on the body and people around them have all seen watches before. minimal design reads as attention-craving, hatred of beauty/humanity, glaring, etc.

if you want something that's really attention-getting, by all means, get some weird angular minimalist disc and flash your postmodernist power level and how much you hate things that are natural and simple. if you want to look simple and clean and blend in, get something like a timex weekender.

erasing details from the design makes it stand out MORE. watch design doesn't exist in a vacuum, it is part of human culture and you can't understand the design without reading in the entire context of the watches people have seen all their lives.

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>>59689789
Yes, hell, I truly fucking don't. Probably like tenfold as bizarre as walking with an axe in your back.

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I want this except with the function to sync with all blutooth devices

>>59689942

So just like patek?

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What happened to the /sinkdiving/ meme?

>>59687403
Essentially zero companies that actually make watches as their primary business will make a design like that because its close to useless for actually telling the time.

As a result, more or less 100% of watches styled like that picture will be AliExpress trash with various brand names put on it and sold for some ridiculous mark-up. If that style is what you want, feel free to buy the same sort of dogshit $2 quartz in a chinkshit case for $5, $50, or $500.

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Is there any way to make all watch makers quartz and use all money on the brand and superior finishing?

Can we make mechanicals a joke

>>59690198

No, better to just kill yourself.

>>59690198
You have that backwards. It's precisely because quartz movements are so cheap that it tends to destroy the justification for spending any money on the case/dial/hands/bracelet manufacturing and finishing.

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>>59690182
It will never die

>>59690198
>>59690225

even more backwards than that.

the fact that cheap quartz modules are ubiquitous now and are slightly superior in one technical measurement doesn't mean that mechanical watches should be phased out. in fact it means quite the opposite: because dead-accurate clocks are all around us at all times of the day, the timekeeping accuracy of the wristwatch is now mostly irrelevant once it passes the point of practicality. all mechanical movements made in the past 100 years possess sufficient accuracy for practical use. there is no meaningful difference between a vostok 2416 and a ronda quartz movement. neither of them comes within ten orders of magnitude of the accuracy of a cesium fountain, and all of our phones, computers, and so forth are all set by NTP to the cesium fountain time standards of the world.

yes, quartz was briefly an improvement over mechanical. but that reign barely lasted 20 years. quartz is obsolete as a precision timekeeping technology, replaced by networked systems calibrated to technology that is so accurate it exceeds the precision of the solar system itself.

now, what is a wristwatch in the 21st century? because it can never again be seen as a time standard, it can only be a personal accessory that serves as a celebration of tradition, craftsmanship, and design. quartz, then, fails quite badly at the primary application of a wristwatch, being a cheap compromise technology that discards the interesting value of the machine but that can only muster a marginally better showing on the accuracy benchmark. some quartz designs will always have appeal, like the brutal digital designs descended from the first wave of pulsars and seikos. but the notion of precision timekeeping in watchmaking is itself now wholly obsolete, and quartz's star has definitively, unambigiously, and indisputably fallen.

the time of quartz wristwatches has come to an end.

>>59688607
Shitters when milgauss exists

>>59690346

Thats too much text for my troll post brah.

Breitling has some nice quartz watches, shit with magnetic switches you can operate under water, temperature controlled fämälämäzoids.

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>>59690043
Like I said, in my environment a fine taste in watches couldn't matter less. I could wear something as obnoxious as picrelated if I liked, and no one would give a flying fuck.

>modern, subdued
I don't give a shit about any hip buzzwords, it's just my personal aesthetic preference of things that look simple, even to the point of brutal simple.

>timex weekender
But hey, this thing is cute. I actually quite dig this sort of design. Someone here mentioned Seiko 5, and I like the body of the SNK80*, not so much the dial (what's even the point of having huge second digits on the outer part?). Similarly, I like the body of the weekender, and I like the font, but, if you mean the single dial version - what sort of absolute retards are the audience of watches with 13-24 on their dials? It must be those people who also use a calculator to 2 + 5. I would be offending myself wearing anything that identifies me with those people. I would appreciate if you could recommend me something similar with 12hr digits only, or no digits at all. Black on white, white on black, doesn't matter.

Anyhow, thanks for the opinion, at least you explained your point instead of going hurr tone deafness durr bizarre like that other anon.

>>59690695

no i was samefagging and you're just a retard.

>>59690197
>zero companies that actually make watches as their primary business will make a design useless for actually telling the time
Except some of those companies making 5000$ and 50 000$ watches, kek
Well fuck, I just now noticed that the only non-black hand is the seconds one. That sucks. Yet I'd be perfectly fine with a watch having visible hours and minutes hands on a totally blank dial.

>same sort of dogshit $2 quartz in a chinkshit case
Thanks, means I really should look up what's the movement if I'm buying something seemingly not chink on the outside.

>>59690713
Well fuck you then, normie cunt. However you're still welcome to recommend me something along the lines of the weekender and seiko 5, just with no nonsense dial.

>>59690153
The patek is at least +1/-1

The Miyota or Seiko movement will gain a minute every 3 days.

>>59690346
>the time of quartz wristwatches has come to an end

Quartz is like what 95% of the market?

>>59689559
you can at least put a smooth bezel on that

>>59691073
>The Miyota or Seiko movement will gain a minute every 3 days
This fucking guy

DON'T FUCKING BUY THE TIMEX WEEKENDER MEME.
Mine fell apart after like 4 months of use. Crappy, loud-ticking shitter watch.

>>59691383
The Miyota and Seiko movements without hacking like the Miyota 8215 are rated at anything up to +30 a day. 1 minute over 3 days is a conservative estimate.

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>>59691421
>Not knowing the difference between rated accuracy for a type of movement t and measured accuracy for an individual example of that movement.
What did he mean to signify with this?

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I continue to be surprised by how much I like the full yuppie DJ on leather. Going to get a real alligator or croc strap on Monday I think.

>>59691521
Yeah you might be lucky and get a good one. But it's common for Seiko and Miyota movements that don't hack to be abysmal quality.

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Could I wear a 34mm watch on my slightly below 7" wrist

>>59691716
No, it would be huge.

>>59691716
You do know the oyster perpetual is available in 36 and 39mm as well, right?

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Should I put the old dial back (one on the right)?

>>59691792
no
get a scuba dude

>>59691773

Not the green dial. It looks kewl

>>59691879
You're right. It's a womens-only model apparently.
If your wrist is 7" and you're set to the green dial OP or nothing, go to an AD / Boutique and try it on.

>>59691716
Sure. It's going to look small.

>>59691932
34mm isn't a women's watch, it's unisex.

>>59691557
Sexy ass rollie, actually this pic inspired me so much that I might sell all my shitters and buy one of those

>>59691792
Jesus Christ

>>59691932

My Chrono24 lists it as unisex. My 38mm Tag covers my wrist nicely, some comments are saying that the Rolex case makes it look bigger than it is.

>>59687239
Meranom is cheaper. He does assembly for a few extra bucks.

>>59692019
>>59692188
While I agree, I'm pretty sure Rolex categorises the 34 and 28mm OPs as womens models.

I agree that the oyster case is quite fat for its size. Still, go somewhere you can try a 34mm OP before buying anything.

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>Want to buy a watch
>It's fuck huge, 45mm accross 50mm lug to lug

>>59692824
ok

Why do Rolex/Tudor insist on replacing dials/hands on old watches if they're patina'd?

Do they like reducing the value of their customers watches?

>>59693020
Because why would they care? This way they can charge you for a new dial too.

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>>59693020
>Taking vintage watches to the official service center
What could he have desired to convey with these signs?

So daylight savings just ended in Australia.
Had to turn the date all the way around, the day all the way around and the time.
All just to go back 1 hour because it's mechanical and oh no you're not supposed to turn mechanical watches backwards.
Tell my why my next watch shouldn't be a quartz...

>>59693789
Turning your watch backwards a fucking hour is not going to hurt it. Just don't do it around the date change I imagine.

>>59693789

What the hell are you doing? I turn all my watches backwards an hour every time I set them to take the slack out of the movement.

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>>59691557

Nice. The reddish leather looks good. I still want this Datejust. When I get one might have to go with your look.

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>posting my dream obtainable watch

>>59693789
>you're not supposed to turn mechanical watches backwards.

Is this a ruse?

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>>59694121
He's Australian.

>>59692824
which one? I got a seiko sumo which is "big" at 45 x 52 but it's fine because of the shape and also a few mm difference isn't as much as it looks on paper.

>>59694118
>sports patek
>sports in gold

I don't get it

>>59689746
What year?

Who else here watches TGV:s videos because they are so comfy? He seems to have such a nice trustfund life, walking his dog around and collecting watches.

I mean he shills shitty products a little sometimes, but the whole comfy feel + smooth voice + positive mellow attitude combo is worth it.

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>new user joins Watchuseek
>writes enormous tl;dr posts one after another, albeit on-topic
>occasionally laced with condescending and snide remarks
>a record number of users complain and report him until a mod appears
>he gets incredibly defensive and hoity toity
>banned
>returns under new account and starts spamming and flaming

>>59694527
his voice isn't what I would call smooth.

I watch his reviews because his measurements appease my autism and he reviews watches I like

Convince me not to buy like 5 pobeda slavshitters

>>59694527

He's okay, but acts far more "new money" than he seems to actually be. His production value is good and he reviews a good selection of watches in a practical and straightforward way. If he's got a review of a watch I am considering, I always make sure to watch his whole review.

His appreciation of art and music is pretty embarrassing, though, and comes across as more rote imitation than anything else.

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I was wondering. I ordered a Seiko SNK809 and was thinking about changing the Crystal out with an AR coated Sapphire one for ~$45 including crystal and servicing (only $3 cheaper to do it myself). I'm in the National Guard and bought the watch specifically for drills, but also as a general beater watch.

Is it worth the money to go from hardlax to sapphire or will the hardlax realistically suffice?

Pic unrelated: my fav pocket watch.

>>59695679

You're more likely to damage it to the point where it will cost more to repair than replace it by opening the case than you are by just wearing it.

>>59686715
Expansion bands, or "I'm a failed 1970's porn star" bands

>>59695716
Yea, that's why I planned on paying the extra $3 for my local watch repair shop to do it.

>>59696108
To clarify. It's $17 for a crystal press or $20 for him to remove and replace the crystal.

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>>59692132
>>59693914
Thanks. Here is a pic where I didn't totally fuck up the white balance.

>>59694527
I don't understand how anyone can watch his videos without cringing at the entirely faked aristocratic nonsense. It's very obviously all an act meant to fool Midwestern rubes on JewTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmXY7Dl_T8Y

:^)

>>59695679
hardlex is fine mine doesn't have any scratches

>>59695679
The hardlex will be fine. Not sure why you'd spend 80% of what you paid for the watch to replace something that isn't a problem and most likely will not be.

>>59697559
>>59697944
Ah glad to hear it. I've never had a watch with hardlex, so wasnt sure how strong it would be in practice.

>>59690346
You clearly don't go /out/. I can afford to beat the shit out of my F-91W, but I can't wear a $500 mechanical into the woods.

>>59698614
>cant wear my $500 mechanical into the woods

Lmao what? What is a field watch? What are you worried is going to happen to it.

>>59698986
>>59698614

Yeah I wear a $2000 automatic into the woods.

>>59687010
you done goofed, son

>>59687339
autism levels about to start a chain reaction, TO THE SHELTER!!!

>>59687403

Holy shit, this is the ugliest thing I've ever seen.

>>59699605
the lugs are kind of interesting.

>>59687403
>hey what time is it anon?
>squints
>uhhh black

>>59687403
This is a nasty phucking shitter! Sad!

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Looking for something decent I could use in the lab when I cannot take out my phone.
Ideally with a countdown timer and stopwatch.
Something that could display emails/text messages/calls would be cool too but not vital.

Anyone in here work in a lab? What do you use?

>>59691073
extreme kek

>>59694527
Didnt know tgv also pays for 4chan comments

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>>59688357

>it's another TGV drives the price of a watch up becuase he got advertising dollars episode!

Story:
>be me
>order SARG011 becuase fuck it's beautiful
>few days later I realize I never got an email with tracking from the nips
>go look on ebay, all the prices are higher by $100
>wait a few days
>nothing in my messages and I make a claim
>see that TGV made a video with the 011 in it
>watch is now discontinued
>all the sellers raise their prices
>order from another nip who was undercutting by like $60 making it only $10 than my original order
>he says he "cant find the watch in his warehouse"
>finally source one in America for cheaper than the original ones I ordered and it arrived last week

>>59700071

>arrived a week later*

>>59700071
Kek

what does wt think of swatch

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>>59700980
sistem51

>>59694708
But 1 good pobeda shitter

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>>59700980
We love them. Really innovative group that saved the watch industry. They are well priced given the authentic swiss made materials and craftsmanship that go into such fine time pieces

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I bought an Obris Morgan last week. mine is still in the mail but pic related is the colour option I chose

I'm 27 years old and this will be my first 'serious' watch. I wanted a tool diver that I can just thrash to death without worrying about. I decided that if I enjoy it, I'll buy myself something higher-end when I turn 30

anyway what do you guys think? after watching a lot of archieluxury, I'm starting to feel like it's cheap nasty dogshit before it's even arrived...

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>>59701098
They're well made pieces, especially for the price.

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>>59700071

>>59701098
It looks like a really nice and clean watch. I like it.

>>59701125
>>59701256
thanks guys.

I guess I'm just impressed that people can have the confidence to drop thousands on a watch. I know people who would have a heart attack if I told them I'd spent 300.

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>>59701086

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What you guys thinking my beater? It's on a home made strap and I've had this watch since the Dreamcast days when the guy in Shenmue had one of these!

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>>59701464
Think of*

>>59701098
I liked the explorer more.

>>59701269
When you have more money, you can justify spending larger amounts

>>59700980
People want to rip them apart and they are correct to do so but their work once in a while produces interesting peaces that collectors seem to recognize.
Sistem 51 is the latest and I consider grabbing one when the prices go down a bit.

>>59701718
>I consider grabbing one when the prices go down a bit

Once it hits the $15 it's actually worth?

>>59701718
>pieces*

>>59701724
I actually want to grab a few,one of the first series,one of the second series and one that will actually wear.

>>59701718
They're interesting, and I'd own one for a collection, but I'd never wear that shit.

>>59702097
>shit
I mean memeing is out of control but for what it is namely a first mechanical watch completely manufactured and assembled by a robot means that some work has been put into it in order to make it possible and make it watch worth to be worn.
As any company they do what they must in order to turn profit Shitko is no exception as well as other boutique brands.

>>59702245
The trick is that wherever screws would normally used, plates are just soldered together (muh "one screw" movement).

Nevermind the plastic pallet fork and escape wheel.

>>59702264
That just leaves the market open for other companies to improve on it dramatically and grab a slice of the profit for the crowd that wants a little better robot build watch.
I am ok with it.

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Why don't I see more alpinists on a bracelet

>>59700980
>>59700990

People here tend to hate them mostly because of the price, and instead recommend rock-bottom Seiko- or Miyota-based watches, which completely misses the point. They are fun watches and work plenty well enough to tell the time. But they can't be adjusted or repaired, so you should not get one if you are looking for something that will last more than a few years. I would say that if you have to save up for it or if you have to think about spending $150 on a watch then you should not get one. If your watch budget is $1500+, then feel free to pick one up with what's left over after you pick something else. The newest round of movements have a transparent mainspring barrel which you can use as a sort of ghetto power reserve.

The accuracy they've been able to achieve using so much plastic in the escapement is pretty impressive. The typical daily variance in seconds for a Sistem 51 is in the single digits, in comparison to pin-pallet movements with plastic parts that have a daily variance measured in minutes. Of course /wt/ would still bitch and cry if they made the escapement out of metal, because then it would cost $20 more and would need re-lubrication (which is impossible with the case design) so it would last only 1/3 as long.

>>59702478
>in-house movements
>still shamelessly throws an Oyster bracelet on it

>>59702245
I just think they're completely unremarkable in everything but the movement. And even then, the movement isn't great once you disregard how it was made.
I respect what they did, but I don't like the watches.

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>>59702264
>plastic escapement
i am considering making a copypasta about this like that nomos faggot

the plastic escape wheel and pallet fork are probably the best thing about the sistem51.
they're made of a self lubricating polymer (vinyl i think) that eliminates one of the biggest problems with the swiss lever escapement (it can eat itself without proper lubrication.)

pic related is a 40y/o testament to how glorious it is

>>59702878
not that guy but i read somewhere that the Swatch stops working after 5 years or some other arbitrary number because the gears were eating up.
Any truth to that?

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>>59702478
Mine says hello.

I do want to also get a plain steel one as well.

>>59702974
It hasn't been 5 years since it was introduced, has it?

>>59702878
Yeah, the plastic is great in moving parts that inherently generate friction as plastic is well known for its long term wear resistance and resistance to plastic deformation under load.

Oh wait, no it fucking isn't. Using plastic in an escape wheel and pallet fork and then charging $150 for the resulting abomination is so absurd as to constitute performance art testing how much shit consumers will eat and smile and thank you for.

You can buy complete watches with Miyota 9015 movements for $150 rather than these social experiments in contempt for the customer.

>>59702974
i have no idea, but i dont think so.
what might happen is that the pinions start wearing down once the lubricants run dry. but that will be way more than five years. i think the sistem51 could be very comprable to a seiko 5 (which would also never be serviced.)

>>59703077
I dont know wish I could find the article so I can be more concise.

>>59687403
The case design is fucking sweet, but the colour is literally the worst for legibility.

>>59703149

Ah, there's the guy that wants you to buy a rock-bottom Miyota movement in a factory-second Chinese case.

>>59702974
A better idea would be to buy a Seiko 5 for $50, throw it out when it stops working, buy another Seiko 5 for $50, throw it out when it stops working and buy a third Seiko 5 for $50 and enjoy the 15+ years of use you'll get out of those three Seiko 5's for what you would have spent on 1 (one) ((Uno)) (((ein))) Sistem51.

>>59703149
>charging $150
I think they are around $70 or less.

>>59703172
it was announced at basel 2013

>>59703149
plastic comes in a variety of different forms anon. look at my astrolon, it hasnt broken yet.

>>59703190
As opposed to a $2 plastic case and $2 plastic movement for $150? Yes.

>>59703199
A better idea would be to by Casio F-91 and never spend money again.

>>59703199
>>59703214

If you are so poor you live in a cardboard box and have to check your budget for a watch under $200, yes, this could be seen as rational. The Sistem 51 is not targeted at the minimum-wage market. It is for people who ALREADY OWN WATCHES OVER $1500. When will you finally be able to grasp this concept? Will you have to actually get a real job to figure it out?

>>59702741
>how dare any company but Rolex use a 3-lug design?

Yeah, and how dare they use a Perpetual® movement? Don't they know Rolex makes automatic movements?

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>>59703230
Just because you have money doesn't mean you have to throw it away on junk when you could get a real, if inexpensive, mechanical watch for the price.

>>59703272

The stuff that is in the same price range as a Sistem 51 is boring and ugly, with only a few exceptions that are actually interesting like Vostok. Why are you so unable to accept that there's a product you can nominally afford that is not an extremely serious tortured effort to maximize value for money for fucking poor people?

>>59703213
I'm aware, but there is no form of plastic in existence with wear resistance or torsional strength properties to even remotely compare to metal and synthetic ruby (which is what is normally used for the pallet fork).

See this article for an examination of how shit the ETA C1011 is:

http://watchguy.co.uk/review-a-trip-inside-the-swatch-sistem51-eta-c10111/

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>>59703186
Just found that they make better versions.

>>59703303
Because contempt for the customer and marketing driven hucksterism is the Swatch Groups entire business model. Why should people give them a $50-100 gift of free money for a watch that costs $10 to make and which is designed with planned obsolescence in mind? Especially when you can buy real mechanical watches with pretty decent movements at that price (the Miyota 9015 is quite a good design).

>>59703272
>>59703199
>>59703149

sistem51 doesn't compete against budget-tier mechanicals. it competes against colorful plastic quartz and fashion watches like swatch quartz, timex seasonal stuff, and the brightly-colored g-shocks. you're totally misunderstanding the product.

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>>59703349
>Better
What could this individual have intended to signify with this display?

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>>59703360
I'm a sucker for integrated lugs on a case.

>>59690346
>the notion of precision timekeeping in watchmaking is itself now wholly obsolete

Literally the only thing a watch actually DOES is wholly obsolete. Okay.

>>59703352
There is a term for those "colorful plastic quartz and fashion watches" the Sistem51 is designed to fit in with.

D O G S H I T
O
G
S
H
I
T

>>59703378
But those are awful lugs with spring bars. And it looks like shit if you pay more than no attention to it. The Group B is a great case, this has nothing to do with it.

>>59703536
There are no spring bars, the case and lugs are milled from a single block of steel.

>>59703553
Oh so it just looks like trash

>>59703349

I'd wear the 36mm version of that.

Might pick one up since they're so cheap.

>>59703445

i guess if you are a joyless penny-pinching autist it makes sense to avoid the s51. i have plenty of watches already that run rings around a miyota 9015 so your posts just sound to me like you're butthurt about being poor.

don't worry anon, someday you'll start making real money and you'll be able to buy a $150 watch without sweating bullets while you carefully calculate its value for money in an excel sheet.

>>59701464
Looks like a beyblade

I like it tho

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3133

>>59703272
>when you could get a real, if inexpensive, mechanical watch
The Sistem51 is not a real mechanical watch? So what is it?

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>>59703974
Yes. My desire not to donate money to the Swatch Group is definitely driven by poverty and not by a total repulsion at their gratuitous profiteering at the expense of the gullible.

>>59703230
> It is for people who ALREADY OWN WATCHES OVER $1500
I'm pretty sure swatch is entry level as their whole existence is basically "swiss watch for the everyman"

>>59704180
Dogshit. Plastic, disposable, $10 to make utter dogshit pawned off on the gullible for $150, of which $50-$100 is pure profit.

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THinking about getting pic related

>>59704274
Ugly. Orient's logo belongs on a cigarette box.

>>59704237
Nice woman's watch

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>>59704364
>36mm Datejust
>Woman's watch
What did this creature plan to convey with such actions?

>>59704262
>mainspring
>lever escapement
Dogshit or not, it's a real mechanical watch

>>59703230
>It is for people who ALREADY OWN WATCHES OVER $1500
Can attest to this. Compared to the service costs for nice watches, a Swatch or shitter is peanuts, so I sometimes just get one as a beater, or as a cheap gift.

>>59704364
>being this pleb

>>59704442
>Can attest to this. Compared to the service costs for nice watches, a Swatch or shitter is peanuts, so I sometimes just get one as a beater, or as a cheap gift

Why not just cut out the middle man and just donate money to the Swatch Group?

>>59704470
>Swatch Group
They deserve reproach for many things, but not for the Swatch watches. Better than most other shitters at the price point.

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>>59704439
Don't mind them anon, it's just sour, poorfag grapes.

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>>59704301
>>59704364
Shitposters.

>>59704537
Have you not been following the thread? Did you just arrive?

We are literally arguing specifically about the Swatch Sistem51, a $2 disposable plastic escape wheel plastic pallet fork totally nonadjustable and serviceable piece of crap in a $10 Casio Popewatch case for $100-$150. Hence in this case the subject of the argument is precisely that Swatch DOES deserve reproach for this thing.

>>59704080
Ugly bezel, makes it look like a kids toy

>>59701201

KEK

>>59704647
>Shitter money
>Shitter watch
Your point being? That an F91W is better value?

Just got back from a classic car show.

Full of middle aged men wearing shitty cheap clothing and trainers, but with Rolexes and Speedmasters on their wrists.

Is dressing bad normal for watch enthusiasts?

>>59705157
What makes you think they're watch enthusiasts?

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Just got my first Seiko watch on your recommendation, /wt/ - Seiko SRP707K1.

How did I do?

>>59705179
>Rolexes and Speedmasters

Normies wear aliexpress shit

>>59703037
That looks

good

>>59702741
Oyster?

>>59705204
Rolex produces like a million watches a year. Their primary market are not watch enthusiasts.

>>59705269
If you spend $5,000 on a watch you're clearly an enthusiast.

>>59705193
That is disgusting!

>Producing a watch only in 50mm lug to lug

Why would you cut down your potential market to only fat fucks?

How good is a Miyota 90S5?

>>59705286
That's not how it works, no. It just means they have cash and want 'nice things.' go ask if their watch has bidirectional or unidirectional winding, the type of shock protection their watch uses or hairspring material.

>>59705286
>>59705348
For real, most Rolex owners I've met IRL don't know what a mechanical watch IS or that their Rolex doesn't use batteries. I wish i was kidding.

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>>59705193
>SRP707
I hate those lines on the bezel. Looks like a Fossil or something.
I do love the numbering font though. Do other Seikos have this style?

Pic unrelated but I'm trying to find this watch second hand as I find it pretty neat.

>>59705384
This doesn't surprise me at all. Rich people will just spend money because they have money. Same as these guys who buy a Ferrari that never goes above 40mph as it never leaves London.

>>59705315
Very good movement design, 28,800 bph, hacks, handwinds, auto-winds in only one direction, lacks a micro-adjuster for the regulator and lacks instant date change. Overall I'd consider it better than the Seiko 7s26, 4r35 and 6r15 and competitive with lower end versions of the ETA 2824-2.

>>59705398
nice COWARD watch

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>>59705398
Fixed

>>59705427
What do you mean lower end versions of the 2824

>>59705288
>not over 300$
>>That is disgusting!

wew, this escalated quickly.

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So I got lucky over the last month with cryptocurrency and managed to make £9000. I've been thinking of buying this Omega for £8640. Opinions?

My working class dad just inherited £80,000 from my dead nan.

He's never had that much money, never been a watch person. But after seeing my watches wants to get a watch.

I've already warned him about Tag shitters and other mall shit. And he'll let me know when he wants to buy a watch so I can steer him away from shitters.

What watch should he get for £2,000?

It's gonnna be mine one day anyway.

>>59705421
and yet without them ferrari wouldn't exist anymore.
and they're not in the wrong. they buy one because it looks cool and they want one. more power to them.

>>59705589
I thought bitcoin was losing money at the moment?

In answer to your question that's a future £2,000 watch so why would you make that kind of investment instead of investing your £9k back in crypto?

>>59705398
I think I saw a few with this numbering font, although it's not very common.

>>59705589
you will remain a poorfag for your entire life.

>>59705600
he should get what he wants.
>It's gonnna be mine one day anyway.
you're a fucking asshole.

>>59705589
If you really want a Speedmaster buy the professional, it's the real one. If not just get a Rolex with that kind of money, it'll be a better watch in every respect.

>>59705580
No, it's just fucking ugly.

>>59705600
£2000 is a tricky price for watches, but he might find a nice vintage rolex from the 80s for that price. Or Speedmaster?

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>>59705505
ETA produces four different grades of their main production movements: Standard, Elabore, Top and Chronometer. The four levels have some differences in materials and extent of regulation and adjustment that differentiates them.

Basically, I would rate a Miyota 90xx as competitive with a 2824-2 standard or elabore but not with the top or chronometer versions.

>>59705645
Is the difference between a standard and a chronometer grade just an hours work on a timegrapher?

Why do you guys hate Christopher Ward?

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redpill me on suunto

>>59705705
They're very overpriced for the movement. If you like the look of one don't let anyone in here stop you but know you're being ripped off when there are better options available.

>>59705627
I put my bitcoin into Ethereum a month ago and it quadrupled in value. Bitcoin took a hit for a while but seems to have recovered.

I don't know much about watches, why would it depreciate in value so much?

Are Omega watches just a meme? I like them because of the whole moon thing. I liked the look of this one especially and the strap was the nicest I'd seen too. Any guidance is appreciated kind anon.

>>59705757
Omega make hundreds of "special editions" that are overpriced as fuck. They're probably not doing to depreciate that much, but they will depreciate heavily.

You could buy a 4 year old Speedmaster Professional, which is the model that actually went to space for £2,000 and in 5-10 years time it will still be worth £2,000 because they never go below that price.

>>59705757
Omega watches that aren't the Speedmaster Professional are not really worth owning basically (and even then maybe not, it's cringily overrated in internet circles). They're a mid-tier brand that has had massive price hikes over the past couple of decades because the conglomerate that owns them wants to position them as a Rolex competitor, with none of the history or technology to back it up.

>>59705688
No. The Top and Chronometer grades have some different materials (see here: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f2/smoke-mirrors-part-1-eta-grades-explained-458060.html) and adjustment is much more involved that regulation (see here: https://www.timekeeperforum.com/forum/threads/adjustment-and-regulation.21105/)

>>59705580
i don't give two shits about the price its nasty looking

>>59705645
Do you know what the Hamilton field khaki has in it?

>>59705715
https://youtu.be/RNGh7Byoplg

>>59705811
>Rolex
>history
>technology
What have Rolex contributed to technology, and what amazing history do they have?

>>59705936
They are fucking rollies man. They are miles better than mid-tier omegas.

>>59705600
Speedy reduced?

>>59705936
Just how much of an horological pleb ARE you?

>>59705983
omega anon here
Is there some kind of chart showing watch tiers?

>>59705705
They're only really worth getting when they have a sale and you get stuff for 50% off.

>>59706031
Rolex: Plebs with too much money

Omega: Enthusiasts

>>59705936
They practically invented quality mass produced wristwatches, can't get more history than that. Fair enough if you're the type of person who can buy from independents but for the rest of us mass produced stuff will have to do, and Rolex is the best in every aspect still, right down to the lengthy of service intervals.

>>59706051
This is either terrible bait or you really have no idea what you're talking about.

>>59706051
We were talking about watches, not their owners. Rolex > Omega, simple as that.

Omega: middle aged James Bond wannabes

>>59706057
Well, that depends on whether you classify Grand Seikos as production watches. GS microscopically inspects every component of every watch, and does way more hand finishing and assembly than Rolex. Not even to mention their MEMS hollow balance wheels made to micrometer precision.

If you buy a SARB what are the chances it was built by a qt Japanese girl?

SARB line is built in Japan, are they hand built? And Seiko seems to employ an unusually large amount of women.

Are Breitling a shitter company?

They advertise heavily in malls

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>>59706158
The cases are made in China and maybe finished in Japan. The movements are made in Malaysia if I remember right. The watch is pretty much only assembled in Japan just enough to put Japan on the dial, and it's probably all done by robots anyway.

SARB033 or SARB035?

Already have a SARB017

Or would £250 be better spent on a non seiko?

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>>59706324
Get the SARX if you want black or SARB if you want white, in my opinion.

>>59706181
>blingy
>inauthentic claims to be a pilot's watch
Not much going for them

There are better options in the price range

>>59705589
This is b8, move along

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What's the lug width, /g/?

Why is Seiko so popular on the internet but not so popular irl?

>>59706575
It was very common irl now everyone wants to be different and own denzel washingtons.

I remember in late 90s early 2000s I saw a lot

Why can't I just enjoy the watches I have /wt/?

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>>59706663
Because you're caught in the consumerist system.

Throw away your watches and give your mind and heart to Allah

>>59706663
You're trying to fill the void with the fleeting rush of owning something shiny and new.

You're no better than the average shopaholic trophy wife.

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>>59706769
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>>59706324
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What's considered the best bang for your buck at around the £500 mark?
I'm looking for a daily wearer with leather strap and it must be quirky and distinctive. Quartz is also fine.

>>59706470
No, it wasn't

>>59707014
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