/hpg/ - Headphone General

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>>59663647
what makes closed back worse? does open back mimic a full stereo setup better?

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>>59663709
Headphone drivers are transducers. They convert electricity into movement. And what is it moving? Air. With closed cans, you have a limited amount of air inside of the headphone. Hence, you can't properly move a lot of air and back of the headphone creates a low pressure region which opposes the movement of the membrane. It's a mess to model properly.

Incidentally, if you've ever wondered why every IEM has a little hole somewhere, that's why.

I think most of the people don't need closed-back phones. Even in an office, if you don't blast the audio, people even 6ft away won't heat a thing.If you live in a noisy dormroom, once you put the music on, you won't hear a thing around you.

Closed is a must for air-travel, active noise cancellation situations, monitoring audio/microphones, airplane pilots, gaymer headsets and so on.

>>59663698
Evening.

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>This driver matching
Hey /hpg/, why are HD 600s supposed to be the end all, be all pair of headphones?

>>59663815
muh trustyfucks, muh poorfaggotry, muh unemployment, muh autism, muh constant butthurt
anyway, another pic to add to ignore filter.

>>59663698
>>59663790
>>59663843
You didn't answer the question.

>>59663790
I'm getting open backs soon, but i wanna get an in line mic for it too
would it relay my audio like a kinect mic?

>>59663865
You can always https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/File:1316372662626.png

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>>59649193
This actually doesn't look bad for a closed-back.

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I wish I was memeing right now..

>>59663698
>>59663790
>3 posters
Kek. Did you samefaggot.

>>59663961
what do they sound like?

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>>59663698
Sure, assembling.

>>59663979
They sound just like the usual earpods, maybe a little bit better.
They're godly if you have an iphone/macbook tho.

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Hey /hpg/, is this a good frequency response?

>>59663961
X is fun to listen to from time to time, but you cant be serious

>>59664021
subjective, but i wouldn't mind it going a bit longer before dropping on the bass.

>>59664030
Ok, I was kidding about the X part. I've been listening to a lot of his shit lately.
Madvillainy is my personal favorite, btw

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This is a good frequency response.

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>Budget Less than 40$
>Location US
>Source PC, 3.5mm, usb2 and 3
>Type of headphone full sized with mic
>closed
>Comfort level idgaf as long as my ears dont fall off
>Past headphones gamecom 870, would still be using but i sat on them. Also wire got twisted and got fucked up.
>It needs a mic

>>59664063
And this is not.
>>59664021
FR in question are HD 600s.

>>59664094

Yep. It's the HE-400i.
>Inb4 turbobutthurt autistic sennshill from last thread gets triggered again.

>>59664066
m20x with some chinese $1 mic

What does /hpg/ think of loudspeakers?

>>59664142
Their performance relies too much on room layout and acoustics in my opinion. You have to put substantially more effort and possibly money into getting a good sound.

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Picked a pair of these up. How did I do?

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>>59663698
Good evening, /hpg/.

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>>59663961
are you trying to make people angry?

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>>59663698
Sup

I won't be satisfied by normal dynamic drivers anymore!

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>>59663698
>>59663790
>>59663961
>>59663981
>>59664335
>>59664726
Love you guise. I'll make one up when I get home. No one took my waifu yet.

I have a quickie. What does "Sound Enhancer" in iTunes do? I really like what it does but it seems like magic since I have no idea how it works.

Also, do you guys enable Replay Gain? Pros/cons?

>Budget
$120
>Location
USA
>Source
PC, currently no amp/dac
>Type of headphone
Full-size Circumaural
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfort is a must, will be using for extended periods of time.
>Sound signature
Bassy or V-Shaped
>Past headphones
Logitech G230, because poor kid. Although I do enjoy the fit. They lasted about 3 years, but one driver has gone out and I figure I might as well upgrade quality significantly while replacing them.

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So is there a problem with using a modi 2u alone, without a magni? I would need an RCA to 3.5mm, right? or is there some other standalone DAC that works better alone?

>>59665022
fuck, I'm retarded.

why do so many people here like faggot anime osts
like romance shit or pedo anime
only respectable anime ost is evangelion stuff

>>59665311
>anime
>respectable
choose only one.

>>59664993
save extra $30 and buy v-moda.

>>59664993
Anything Vmoda or Custom One Pro

>>59663661
Who the fuck sits like that

>>59663999
kek

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>>59663698
Only one more day until the weekend!

>>59665709
Cute anime girls obviously

where do I find good music

You guys prefer musicbee or foobar. I'm using musicbee right now, it's skips around on this one album that I have in 24/192 but nothing else. Not sure if it's the player of the laptop.

>>59663956
They aren't bad at all. Comfy, decent build and well priced for the sound quality. Better monitoring headphone than M50x by far. Potentially better than 7506's depending on the situation.

>>59664063
If you don't mind the recessed upper mids/lower highs, sure.

>>59664726
Planars are still dynamic drivers.

>>59664066
Hyper X Cloud if you can find them cheap enough, otherwise just get some IEMs with an inline mic.

Everything else will sound shit.

>>59665022
If you want to dump ~1.5V into your headphones without volume control, sure.

>>59665752
Foobar. Musicbee is garbage in my opinion. UI is aids and is harder to customize properly than foobar [how the fuck do you even manage that??]

>>59665406
>ost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNhuXQyyBr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIscL-Bjsq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN88Rxy2xFI

>>59665311
Eh, anything by Yoko Kanno is great.

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>>59665311

>>59665752
My musicbee has a problem where I'll listen to a podcast for roughly 10 minutes or so and the program will start the next episode. I've googled it (no answers) and unistalled but I can't find a solution. Because of this I switched back to foobar.

>>59665960
ya just meming
i also like trigun ost
>>59665972
>I AM RORIKON XD

>>59665890
Rather have that than 10db bass roll off sapping vocal fullness.

>>59665749
>where do I find good music
depends on what kind of music you like.

>>59665749
YouTube. Not to listen to, but its a good place for just discovering shit. Find well encoded MP3's or lossless files of the songs you like afterwards.

>>59665972
Kek. Go back to your cancer board, dumb anime poster.

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>>59666147
>All anon can do is respond with smug anime faces
Kek. Look at yourself; off you go now.
>>>/a/

>>59665749
just watch rage

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>>59666176
you hate anime yet you waste your life away on an anime site arguing with anime fans. and you call others dumb. lmao.

>>59666147
That's a pretty cool floor.

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>>59666176

>>59665311
>eva
reddit
>>59666128
>>59666176
>Kek
reddit

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>>59666176
Total baka.

>>59666204
>>59666213
Ayy
>>59666206
Kek. I'm only talking to you. Likes attract, don't you know?

>>59666176
>telling a weeb to fuck off on a Chinese board
>mfw

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>stupid, dumb, gaijin scum btfo again
feels great

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>>59666147
>>59666204
>>59666206
>>59666213
>>59666223
>>59666225
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>>59666241
Mmmm... Look at these degenerates.

GIRUGAMESH!!!!!

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>>59666241
there's a few total retards in these threads. that guy is one of them. imagine how fucking retarded you have to be to seek out an anime site and then post there and hate on anime and waste your life away like that. it's like going on some gay site and complain about gays and waste your life away arguing against gayness.

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>>59666264
look in a mirror buddy boy

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>>59666241
>BTFO
>Through anime faces
Can anime poster be any more dumb?

>>59666300
kiddo, you're mad and nobody else in the thread supports you
you walk a lonely road, senpai

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>>59666311
>Mad
>Unironically taking time to make this masterpiece
>>59666279

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>>59665749
after what.cd went away, I didn't bother finding a new PT for music so I just download mastered for itunes albums now. better than FLAC from CDs that are all overcompressed.

my go-to site is

https://mojosakun.word
press.com/

for j-pop and other excellent music from japan.

j-pop and other anime and japanese music is better than garbage that comes out of California.

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>>59666327
not me, buddy
like i said many posters here think you're a dipshit
which you are, ofc

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>>59666279
i wouldn't call this an "anime site", this board in particular seems to have more normal people

I guess it was silly to come to the weeb headphone general though

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>>59666347
Ayyy, whatever you say, friendo.

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>>59666354
(and get upset about the loads of smug animu faces)

>>59666354
you are silly

>>59666367
ok im confused now
were you the guy everyone was posting anime faces at but now you're doing it too

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>>59666368
>Upset
Now you're just projecting, anon.

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>>59666354
>this board in particular seems to have more normal people
you're fucking delusional. seek help... of the mental kind. and reevaluate your life's choices. figure out why you are punishing yourself by surrounding yourself with things you hate.

this is clearly mental illness of some kind. get an appointment with a shrink to figure out what it is and get it treated.

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>>59666391
Oh shit, anon's getting riled up now.

>>59666402
>riled up
I guess that's your point. You're always seeking attention. I'll put you on ignore now. And I'll report so maybe some mod will finally ban you.

>>59666390
>>59666391
im not the guy you were all getting mad at
i don't really mind animu faces, but I didn't mean to derail your thread about headphones by jokingly talking shit about bad music
u guys wanna talk about some headphones and stuff?!?!?!?

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Gotta love filters... it's so easy to get rid of mentally ill people.

>>59666412
Kek. Now off you go and meet up with your kind. I guess some anime posters really does get this riled up, don't they?
>>59666440
Anon has to use filters to prevent getting too madhurt. Kek.
>>59666416
Now let's go back to headphone discussions. What are the best $250 headphones and why are they Sennheisers?

>>59666469
And we go from manbabies fighting over anime to sennshilling, nice

>>59666469
*snap*
Huh? What was that? Were those your headphones, anon? Oh anon, didn't you learn the last 20 times you bought sennheisers?

>>59666558
>>59666606
wuts bad about sennheiser
i wanna get hd598se after i get my new pc
is that a wise decision

>>59666635
They snap, anon. They snap.

>>59666558
>>59666606
Fuck off, Sennheiser haters. HD 598s are the best headphones for ~$200 and no amount of shitposting or snapheiser posting can stop that. Plastic is thick and not made out of chink shit like some anons make it to be; plastic is good and actually one of the more premium kind of plastic. Not to mention, soundstage is amazingly wide and its frequency response is straighter than a straight man's dick.

>>59666635
What kind of headphone do you want?

>>59666645
598s have the worst veil out of any shitheiser, which is really saying something

I wouldn't buy them for their sale price of $100, let alone full MSRP of $200.

>>59666666
Holy shit those digits. Confirmed true.

>>59666666
Fuck you; they're as detailed as any AKG or Beyerdynamic headphones out there, and punch way above their class. Bass is thumpy, mids are silky, and treble is a bit recessed, but still there to give enough detail. Not to mention, they're amazing for gaming. About as wide of a soundstage as AKG headphones.

>>59666733
>detailed as AKG or beyer
hah
>enough detail
HAH
>wide of a soundstage as AKG headphones
Oh my god, you can't be serious with this garbage. You have to be completely deaf.

>>59666662
full sized
over ear
i'd like to try open back
really comfy
gud soundstage for vidya

>>59666772
and under 200, kinda flexible

>>59666772
Budget?

>>59666772
>full sized
>over ear
>open back
>really comfy
>soundstage
Take a look at AKG K701s or K702s. Fits all your needs, especially soundstage. Q701s if you want to go a bit higher.

>>59666810
k701 looks nice
do i need an amp or something
and is the plug detachable

>>59666810
No and yes; perfectly driveable without an AMP, and it does have a detachable cable.

>>59666887
>>59666915
K701 does not have a detachable cable. K702 does.

>>59666915
Sorry, I had it wrong. Was thinking of the K702s.
>>59666927
This anon has it correct.

>>59666810
>AKG Q701
>$250 USD
>That's FR
>That colour design
>That soundstage
>That memory foam
>Instant love
>Lives in Canada
>$400 CAD
Oh /hpg/, why does it hurt so much?

>>59667041
Try AKG K612

>>59667101
>Non-comfy colour
I guess these will have to do. I'm going to sleep now, but i'll look into those next morning. Thanks anon.

What is /hpg/'s opinion on the Brainwavez HM5?

So what do tube amps bring to the table?

>Using anything other than a Logitech H800. Sound quality and unmatched convenience all in one package. Try and come up with something comparable. You can't.

So I just picked up the 598 SEs on /hpg/'s recommendation, and they've been great so far. A definite improvement over the gayman headset I was using.

My only concern is if I'm bottlenecking the audio quality plugging them into my Behringrer UM2. I plan on getting a DAC in the future, but might put it higher on the list of shit I don't need if the UM2 is really hurting the quality.

>>59666440
how are you blocking it? them dont share any word in particular
the second blocked after rei aianami is as simple as:
>you are silly

is it some selective blocking that blocks all comments that reply to it in a linked stream of comments?
does it make exceptions for posts that reply to a blocked comment but also reply to non blocked comments?

is this a functionality of 4chanx ? (this linked blockage)

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It seem Ryzen got better "audio" then Intel.

Heads up. Massdrop has the Antlion Modmic 4 going for 37$. It's the Omni-directional model with a mute switch.

Is there a USB DAC buyer's guide?

I just bought a pair of DT770's and want to treat them right

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>>59663698

>>59667880
I just got a pair myself last saturday. They're my first high(er) end pair of headphones. I'm looking to pick up a Magni 2/Modi 2 Uber Schiit stack.

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>>59663698

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>>59668131
fucked it up

>>59667926
$200 might be a bit much since I just dropped so much on the headphones. Will probably just get a fiio something-or-other

>>59667331
schiit fulla 2.

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>>59663698

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>>59663698

Is the Soundblaster RX a decent thing?
I can get it very cheap for points and coupons.
Its going to substitute very shitty garbled onboard.

>>59668891
>Soundblaster RX
Everything creative ever since the audigy stuff is bad-sounding garbage with shit, glitchy drivers.

Just get some USB thing like the fiio e10k or the schiit fulla 2, and save yourself a lot of trouble.

>Features: 600Ω amp
An amp measured in Ω? I don't even.

>>59669062
Terrific!
I'll purchase three.
Can't wait to feel stupid with the bleeps and bloops of my Soundblaster while everybody else listens to actually good sound in their Gravis Ultrasound.

>>59668891
>>59669062
https://www.amazon.com/Creative-Blaster-Audigy-Performance-Headphone/product-reviews/B00EO6X7PG/

Whoah, the 1-3 star reviews.

>>59669248
Much better with a Dreamblaster X2: http://www.matrixsynth.com/2017/01/dreamblaster-x2-general-midi-wavetable.html

>>59669062
I wouldn't bother. Just get some fiio or schiit fulla2.
Only sound card worth getting at the moment is aim sc808, since it shits on a lot of usb dac/amps for fraction of price.
You can consider used xonar dx too. Dirt cheap but asus drivers are garbage.

>>59663981
I just watched Dracula recently, listened to the whole soundtrack straight after. I love it to much.

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>>59663698
>waifu

>>59668153
Coincidentally, I have one of those too. The X1 is pretty great entry level and it can run the DT 770s (80 ohm) just fine.

But yeah. It's an investment. That being said, unless you get really deep into the hobby, that Schiit stack will probably be the last DAC/Amp set up you'll buy for the next decade.

>>59668140
Newfag here. What's the alien icon stand for? It's a music player, yeah?

>>59670076
Not sure who were you supposed to be quoting but yeah it's Foobar2000.

>>59670062
I got the 250 ohm set. Guess I'm buying from schiit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zqjZ7CxGxo

1,2 kiss kiss

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>got an EQ profile for my HD 650s to bring them closer to the Harman target response curve

I didn't think it would make this big of a difference. I'm listening to some Ludovico Einaudi right now, and it sounds so good, so natural.

Would a E10k be enough to power the JVC SZ2000?

>>59670655
>boosting 500 Hz and 1 kHz
What's your reference point? Do you even have one?
>GlobalGain 0.0 dB
I assume that's the preamp. Lower it by 11 dB.

>>59663815
That's a really bad sample. Others don't really show this.

>>59663956
Now this is a really great headphone but it has bad channel matching.

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>>59671596
>That's a really bad sample. Others don't really show this.

>>59669676
Amazing, isn't it?
The film itself is one of my favorites too.

>>59664049
rtings uses bass compensation
>>59664063
3muffled5me
>>59671613
post more then

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>>59671734
>post more then
how many do u want senpai?

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>>59671503
>What's your reference point? Do you even have one?

No, I didn't create the EQ curve, I just copied some other guy's that had done a lot of research and measuring

>I assume that's the preamp. Lower it by 11 dB.

Heh, yeah, I didn't realize I'd need to do that until Orbits by Ludovico Einaudi came on.

opinions on the schiit Vali 2? it's just $20 more than a magni 2u and is tube/ss.

>>59672415
It's worse than the regular Magni 2 even by Schiit's own specs.

Not sure if this matters at all, but it is better to plug a Fulla 2 into a 3.0 or 2.0 USB port?

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Poorfag Superlux HD668b user who wanted closed headphones for a room with rackmount server noise and ordered Superlux HD669s here if anyone remembers, got them recently

Here is my experience with them based on pretty short time of using:

I'm not a audiophile but for me, these sound very similar to HD668B, but i do prefer 668B's if comparing in quiet environment. However since I bought these for a environment with noise, 669 is obviously better choice for that due to being closed, it insulates background noise pretty well. Overall i am happy with them, they are close to 668B, but insulate noise well which is what i needed for this room

The default pads in 669 are more comfortable than the ones in 668B in my opinion, but I have velour pads coming for the 668B hopefully soon.

Were totally worth it for me, so much better than the previous "gaming headset" i had lying around and used since i didnt have anything else here, those sounded fucking cancer after HD-668B, happy to replace them with 669

>>59670655
>distortion city
why

>>59672633
Velour pads will probably lower the isolation a bit. There are some weird cushion-y pads meant for Beyerdynamics that might do better. Either that or stretch HM5's.

>>59672724
The velour pads are going for my 668B's, which I use in my main machine in a environment with not much background noise, where the 668B's are absolutely fine

With the 669's I will stick with the default pads for now, it was just something I noted that for me at least the 669 has superior pads out of box than 668B

>>59672724
Beyer pads won't fit though HM5's MIGHT with a lot of stretching

>>59663815
If you look closer at grey measures you will notice that there is a big discrepancy in those lines especially in the bass that is prone to leaking.
Same transducers can't change from test to test, seal however can and this is the reason for such discrepancy. Even DT880 have same thing, altho they should fix decently on your head but AKG 712 have nearly perfect response match. I can assume since the lower part of HD600 pads is pleather, and pleather reflects sound waves, then you have such discrepancy in measures compared to velour DT880 and AKG712.

>>59672415
It's tubeshit. Look into tubeshit only if you fall for the tubememe.

Hint: Don't.

>>59672598
It won't give a schiit what port you plug it to.

It doesn't use more power than provided by usb2 anyway.

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>>59667544
>how are you blocking it? them dont share any word in particular
I use 4chanX and I added his bullshit pictures to it and now every time he posts it or someone replies to him, it's all hidden. Autism and mental illness gone from /hpg/! See pic.

>>59671734
>veilheisers
>calling other headphones muffled
dude...

>>59666887
Get the 702 it's perfect for what you want.

>>59667212
Very nice quality, comfy ear pads. It all depends on what headphones you're using though. Sometimes they can alter the sound but you should be fine in most cases.

>>59669699
>that amp
>Z review headphones and pads

laffin

>>59671613
>>59671760
Good god, this driver matching. Why do people buy Sennheisers again? Is it from all the constant shilling?

>>59673008
Kek. Autists gotta hide info in order to prevent getting too madhurt, I guess.

>>59671734
>3muffled5me
>Defending Veilheisers

>>59673928
>best headphones
>kino album cover

noice

>Budget
Under 120€

>Location
FR

>Source
Phone and PC

>Type of headphone
Full-sized

>Open or closed
Closed

>Comfort level
Big priority, also mustn't fall of head while walking

>Sound signature
Neutral.

Here's a challenge, /g/. My brother's birthday is coming, and he's kind of a normie, but still knows quality when he sees it - which means I need headphones both good-sounding and that won't make him look like a turbonerd in society. Please help.

>>59672696
What?

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>>59666354
daily reminder

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>>59668847
>super eurobeat
God tier taste

>>59673983
M40X + MSR7 pads

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>>59663698

>>59673948
>best headphones
Heh.

>>59674070
Thank you. Are the pads really that better? They add 20€ into the mix...

>>59672812
>Beyer pads won't fit
They're not actually beyer pads. Theyre just commonly marketed for them. Theyre a bit bigger. Would definitely fir 668b/669

>>59674188
The stock pads are trash and really do help with comfort.

Why are replacement hd600 pads this hard to put on

>>59674274
Sennheiser loves making things difficult.

>>59674274
Careful you don't put too much stress on the plastic.

>>59674095
>you
heh

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Just picked up a used pair these. How did I do anons?

>>59674348
Bass is a bit too much for me personally, but otherwise looks like a solid headphone.

>>59674340(You)
hah
>>59664021

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>>59673100
Quit replying to TrusytFucks troll. He's mentally insane. He hates anime yet he's on an anime site, he's never head Sennheisers on his head yet he hates them and shitposts all the time, he never had >$100 headphones on his head period. Yet he writes 50+ posts to every /hpg/ thread and posts bullshit images to get reactions out of people. He's on here for 16hrs every day because that's what mentally ill people do.

Don't engage him because that's what feeds him. Just report & ignore. Let mods finally take care of him for trolling outside /b/.

>>59674188
There are other alternative pads you can try like Shure 840/940's or DT250 pads

>>59673100
>>59673730

HE400i is extremely veiled to my ears.

Then again anything HiFiMAN makes is complete trash.

>>59674740
>This damage control again
Kek. Looks like you have the wrong anon again. Take a breath of fresh air and realize that your HD 600s aren't as great as you make them out to be, eh?

>>59674824
Whatever makes you happy, anon. :)

>>59674740
I don't mind "TrusytFucks" as much as I mind you. I hate to break it to you Anon, but you're much more mentally unstable than he is.

>>59674916
But you are TrustyFucks. We're all TrustyFucks.

>>59674884
It lacks a good upper midrange response, the region where the ear is most sensitive to. It sounds awfully muffled and veiled. You enjoy it? That's cool but it isn't neutral or realistic sounding.

>>59674931
What did anon mean by this?

Is TrustyFucks the new ComfyGrados?

>>59674963
The Sennheiser+Schiit shill is.

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>>59674931
There are only two people that post on this site, Anon. Me, and you. I'm not TrustyFucks, so that means the only other person that could possibly be TrustyFucks is you. You are.

>>59674986
Sennheiser makes the best headphones but Schiit is head fi garbage.

HD600 + O2 + ODAC master race.

>>59674963
the AKG shill who praised the fuck out of the K340 was the new CG

>>59674963
Probably the same mentally ill guy. He also talks to himself all the time and creates conversations on here and pretends to be multiple people. Really fucking crazy. Like I said, never reply or engage him. Just ignore & report for trolling.

>>59674946
Nah, actually it just makes the midrange less honky. But you wouldn't know that, because you've never heard them. Retard.

>>59674740
>>59674931
Again, you've replaced the TrustyFucks shitposting with your own. Stop being a manbaby

>>59675016
Who is TrustyFucks? And who is anti-TrustyFucks? Is there even a difference? Was there ever a difference? Who are you, anon?

>>59675012
>Anon actually believes this
[citation needed]

>>59675015
No, it sounds awful and muffled.

They're also built really cheap like everything HiFiMAN.

>>59675084
A lot of headphones use chink shit plastic. i.e. Sennheiser, AKG, HiFiMan, and Sennheiser.

>>59675084
You haven't heard them, tard.
And they're built very well. And the headband is very nice spring steel, unlike the chink plastic they use in sennheisers.

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>>59673377
>no faith

it's good. i like my setup. But my pads are a bit different. More like this

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>>59675006
>O2

How embarrassing

>>59675016
>Again, you've replaced the TrustyFucks shitposting with your own. Stop being a manbaby
I could be replying to TrustyFucks but whatever... there's 209 replies in this thread. Less than 10 are mine and are on topic. TrustyFucks probably made 70+ replies. All the anti-Senn posts, all the "Kek" posts, all the "eh?" posts are his. But believe whatever you want to believe. Just beware that there's a guy who has nothing else to do than to make dozens upon dozens of troll posts in this thread. Every day, every hour.

Anyway, I won't be talking about him anymore because that's what feeds him.

Just report trolling outside /b/ because that's the rule he's breaking.

>>59675006
Just jumping in here to say that the o2 sounds fucking identical to the e10k. I haven't tried any other schitt products but the fulla 2 sounds much nicer than both, it removes harshness and improves the bass very slightly. The o2 is on expensive fucking meme my friend.

t. 600 owner

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>>59675140
>paying for colored audio
it's almost as if you LIKE beats(tm)

>>59675184
Nope, TrustyFucks is the one shilling the sennheisers. He's the only one autistic enough too push sennshits so hard.

>>59675125
Not making this shit up just to argue here but literally every HiFiMAN earphone that I've owned fell apart in a matter of months. HiFiMAN has consistently been making low cost cheap products since their beginning (even their DAPs are fucking trash).

>>59675130
>hurr durr you haven't heard them
I have and it's shit. I don't even have to shill the HD600 here. Beyer DT880 shits all over your chink HE400i.

>>59675188
Please kill yourself. There is literally no difference among all three.

>>59675189
>paying for a clipping machine
it's almost like you hate listening to music

>>59675184
>All anti-Sennheiser posting are Philips shills
Oh god, anon. Do you actually believe that?

>>59675209
Beyer DT-880 is literally an inferior version of the HE-400. Although you're right that they shit all over mudheisers.

>>59675224
>HE-400
Enjoy your horrible midrange distortion and heavy, uncomfortable chinacrap quality build

>>59675219
Is this some new meme?
>>59675224
DT880 has been around since forever and it's not inferior to any chinkfiman crap. Also while HE400i is garbage, HE400 is a special kind of garbage. Words cannot describe how awful that headphone is.

>>59675254
The mids are amazing and undistorted, and I will enjoy my spring steel headband which will never snap.

>>59675254
Ayy, enjoy that Sennheiser clamp and snaptastic build quality.

>>59675278
Anyone who knows anything has always known the O2 was garbage that had terrible clipping.

>>59675282
Hifiman are not capable of making a good product, you shot yourself in the foot there.

>>59675302
Nobody mentioned Sennheiser you autist.

>>59675278
It's inferior in every way but build. I miss them, they were built like tanks. And I did mean the 400i, oops.
>>59675306
Nah, you're talking about snapheiser. Hifiman may be chink, but they're not as chink as snapheiser.

>>59675306
>Anyone who knows anything has always known the O2 was garbage that had terrible clipping.
Feel free to prove it.

>>59675317
>le snapheiser meme XD

HD600 isn't a tank like DT880 but if it does snap you can get replacement parts in a few days if you live in a first world country.

Good luck trying to fix a broken HiFiMAN.

>>59675306
>Snap snap snap

Gee, did you get you all mad and riled up inside?

>>59675317
Hifiman are too busy damage controlling over the Edition 6 to even care about making a good headphone
>>59675321
https://www.neurochrome.com/o2-headphone-amp/#Measurements

>>59675209
The difference between the fulla 2 and the e10k/o2 is obvious. Like I said, the former is the only one that doesn't sound slightly harsh, and the bass is clearly better.

Now, please kill murk yourself.

>>59675339
What's the point of fixing a 600? It's not like it gets rid of the shitty veil. At least HE-400is sound good until they break some years down the line.


>>59675354
HE-400i is their only good product and it came before those retarded memes.

>>59675382
>HE-400i
>good
Hahahahaha

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>>59675354
>https://www.neurochrome.com/o2-headphone-amp/#Measurements
>ran the test on batteries
>but theres lots of clipping. Look!

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Hello? I'm pretty much new here, but can anyone give me some advice? My Sennheiser's headband snapped and I don't know what to do with it anymore. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>>59675407
>used the product how it was intended to be used
What's the problem?

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>>59675386
Out of shitty arguments?

>>59675428
I'll stop trying to convince you of the bad purchase decision you made and let you continue to live with your post purchase rationalization and blissful ignorance.

>>59675423
it's a desktop amp+dac. Just plug it in

>>59675354
>https://www.neurochrome.com/o2-headphone-amp/#Measurements
Hahahahaha, so many audiophool buzzwords.

Instantly discredited.

>>59675444
>Hahahahaha
>Supposed to convince anyone

>>59675450
Unofficially
>>59675461
>I have no idea what I'm talking about - the post

>>59675444
Okay. They sound great. A/B'd them with my DT-880s before selling those. Could've returned them with Amazon's return service. Didn't. But sure, you know more than me.

>>59675382
600 doesn't have a veil you fucking mong. The 650 slightly does and it's still better than the chinaman 400i.

>>59675488
Snapheisers have a veil and shitty rolled off bass. What a mess! A big fat mess.

>>59675382
HD600's veil is in the treble and it's not the sensitive region of the human ears.
>>59675381
When did /hpg/ become /r/headphones?

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>>59675418
No you aren't

>took literally 10 years for his HD 600's headband to actually crack

Your meme sucks.

>>59675499
Maybe if you've lost your hearing. I can hear all the way up to 20Khz crystal clear, as any person from 20-25 should be able to if they haven't ruined their ears going to shitty concerts.

>>59675504
>last 10 years before breaking even when it's cheap plastic
>"is this expected quality of a $500 headphone?"
What a clown.

>>59675354
>https://www.neurochrome.com/o2-headphone-amp/#Measurements

Some greentext from this review, this shit is killing my sides:

>After listening to the O2 for the better part of a week I have a decidedly ‘meh’ feeling about it. I would call it decent, but not good, and certainly not stellar or high end. I find the presentation hazy and muddy across the audio range. The O2 lacks the precision of a good semiconductor amp and it doesn’t make up for it by being engaging or adding an “out of the head” experience like a good tube amp would. At one point I actually found myself wondering if it sounded better or about the same as the stock headphone output of my iPhone 5S.

>>59675418
Buy a replacement headband for only $91, stupid goy!
https://www.audiosanctuary.co.uk/sennheiser-replacement-complete-headband-for-hd600.html

Remember: you are to blame for this.

>>59675526
>being incapable of reading measurement graphs so you have to resort to reading the only subjective portion of the review to make your judgement
Back to head-fi with you

>>59675517
I can hear up to 20kHz too.

I prefer a more neutral response. HD600 isn't perfectly neutral and ER4S/ER4SR shits on it but it's definitely better than HE400i.

>>59675504
>Is this expected quality of a $500 headphone?
Man, his standards are higher than most Sennheiser shills on this general.

>>59675542
I don't even have to read the review.

His claims hold no value when he spouts shit like:

>>59675526

My O2/ODAC is completely transparent and it's many years old. It does its job for dynamic headphones and IEMs.

>>59675550
With that obscene bass roll-off? And awful driver matching? And the veil? That's neutral for you? I'd just call it shitty, personally. Biggest difference in the midrange is that the 400i rolls off a bit faster than the 600.

>>59675567
Of course you'd be shilling a product you paid for. Post purchase rationalization is amazing isn't it?

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Sennheiser shills will defend this.

>>59675613
Remember goys, kevlar-reinforced material, and not plastic. :)

>>59675613
>sennheiser said the hd 650 headband is made of kevlar-reinforced crap with titanium stuff
im fucking dying holy shit

Can you take it somewhere else or trip so the rest can filter you out? This entire argument is beyond retarded and if you can't even discuss about it, don't post at all.

>>59675306
>Anyone who knows anything has always known the O2 was garbage that had terrible clipping.
It clips at 7 Vrms so you need to choose the correct gain resistors to avoid that.

>>59675567
>I don't even have to read the review.
>His claims hold no value when he spouts shit like:
Measurements are not 'claims' you silly child.

>>59675687
Can you read?

>>59675613
>I bought a semi-broken HD 650 headband to go with my HD 650 drivers a few months ago.
Hmmm... I wonder what happened to his last headband...

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>>59675467
>Unofficially
You can literally plug a 240v power supply into it

>>59675693
Can you?

>>59675715
Hits too close to home

>>59675718
.>>59675467
I've been using a JDS O2 for years on wall power. Works fine

>>59675718
He was doing it favors by running it off batteries as they have cleaner power.
>240V power supply
Yeah you'd blow it up if you did that.

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>>59675715
i saw an overweight guy wearing portapros and nearly laughed out loud. then i went home and tried on my own portapros and looked at myself in the mirror

>>59675574
The bass roll-off doesn't affect much desu, it's more tonal balance that determines bass perception.
>>59675582
I also have a Schiit Magni and many other shit. I'm strongly anti Head-Fi so naturally I prefer the O2. Also all of these shit sound the same. Even tube amps do. O2's limitation is its power output for some really hard to drive headphones.

>>59675811
>I'm strongly anti Head-Fi so naturally I prefer the O2
You base your headphone amp preferences on your allegiance to or dislike of a website?

>>59675811
Just look at the square wave measurements on innerfidelity if you don't believe me. The bass roll-off does have an impact. Either that, or it's just the whole headphone in general is lacking.

>>59675828
On fairness to him Head-Fi IS full of complete faggotry.

>>59675846
That shouldn't influence your preferences in a product..

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>>59675718
>The EU/UK and AU power adapters are rated for 220-240v at 50hz.
>Yeah you'd blow it up if you did that.
>Yeah you'd blow it up if you did that.
>Yeah you'd blow it up if you did that.

>>59675970
You don't know how transformers work do you?

>>59676020
shut up.

>>59675835
Square wave literally doesn't matter.

What's with the meme posting today? A flat response in the bass would have a better looking 30Hz SW, but the tonal balance of the HE400i sucks so it literally doesn't matter.
>>59675828
Why not? They all sound the same.

>>59676046
>tonal balance sucks
Yeah, no it doesn't. It's very similar to the HD600, just better. Unless you're saying the HD600 sucks worse, in which case you better be pulling out then orpheuses.

>>59676133
It's not, the upper midrange is barely there.

>>59676436
By "barely there" you mean a 4db maximum difference centered at 1075hz between 1025 and 1125hz. By that logic the HD600's entire treble and bass is also "barely there". Although it's sort of hard to tell really because of the subpar driver matching.

>>59676133
>t's very similar to the HD600
It's not similar in the least.

>>59676547
Okay, it's not similar, just better.

>>59676648
I disagree on that.

>>59676655
Enjoy your bass and treble being "barely there", I guess. Oh, and your distorted square waves.

>>59676669
>Enjoy your bass and treble being "barely there"
I don't which is why have an equalized set of good headphones. Not that I couldn't do the same to both of these and not that you were right on anything about their tonality so far.
>Oh, and your distorted square waves.
Why would you ever even bring up square waves?

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>>59676709
>I don't which is why have an equalized set of good headphones.

>good set of headphones
>needing equalization to fix its flaws
Pick one, and only one. At this point you've admitted that the HD600 is very flawed, and needs equalization to match the HE-400i which has better tonality(which isn't perfect, don't get me wrong, just better).

>Why would you ever even bring up square waves?
Pic

>>59676767
>That get
>Strong mid-centric headphone with poor high treble and bass response.
Are there any redeeming factors for the HD 600s?

>>59676767
>needing equalization to fix its flaws
It's not about need, it's about wanting something better than any headphone can do without it. There isn't a headphone in the existence which couldn't use some equalizing. Opting not to do it is settling with lesser sound quality, not the other way around. Arguing over the response coloration is absolutely idiotic when that's something you can freely choose to alter however you want at any time you want. This shouldn't come as news for you but there's more to headphones than their response, too.
>At this point you've admitted that the HD600 is very flawed
Very? I don't know how you quantify that. It has it's flaws, just like all headphones do.
>match the HE-400i which has better tonality
There's no argument here, just two opinions. I simply disagree and honestly I couldn't care less as I wouldn't be listening to either one in their stock form anyway.
>Tyll's pointless plots
Yeah, all that we see in the response he provides and much more. Why use them? They are equal to what rtings does while they chop the response into three parts and zoom in on that. Except on rtings they still keep it in the frequency magnitude that is useful unlike a square wave.

>>59676983
You aren't even arguing against the HE-400is anymore. You're just damage controlling the HD 600s. Why keep replying, anon?

What's a good cheap diy dac and amp?

>>59677068
Hifimediy

>>59676983
Equalization is a tool used for specific songs or maaaybeee genres to make them sound better, not an catch-all bandage to cover up the flaws of an entire headphone. The fact that you think otherwise says all I need to know about your headphone purchases.

>There's no argument here, just two opinions. I simply disagree and honestly I couldn't care less as I wouldn't be listening to either one in their stock form anyway.

Well alright then. You've been claiming I've been wrong on tonality so far, but I guess not because they're just opinions. The only thing to do is to compare something objective, like graphs.

>Yeah, all that we see in the response he provides and much more. Why use them? They are equal to what rtings does while they chop the response into three parts and zoom in on that. Except on rtings they still keep it in the frequency magnitude that is useful unlike a square wave.

Oh okay, so graphs won't work either because they're "not useful". I guess we just don't have anything else to discuss.

>>59676982
They're good if you're in love with the Sennheiser sound, I guess. For everyone else, there are better options out there. It's just easiest to use the HE-400i as a tool for argument because I've heard them, and the frequency response is somewhat similar to the HD600.

>>59666750
>AKG
>Beyeremorse
>Good

>>59677154
Only one idiot in these generals thinks AKG headphones are good, just ignore them.

>>59675504
don't reply, hit report.

>>59677178
Kek. Damage control.

>>59675634
>goys
Wow, a racist.

You guys know what to do.

>>59677154
>Veilheiser having any detail

Schiit Fulla 2.

HD 600.

>>59677169
Can anyone tell me what's wrong with AKG? I was planning on saving up to buy an AKG Q701. Any input would be appreciated.

>>59677213
>Treble rape

>>59677021
>You aren't even arguing against the HE-400is anymore.
I never argued against them. The most I said is "I disagree" when an anon was so eager to voice their opinion as a reply to my post which included no opinions at all on any pair of headphones here >>59676547
>You're just damage controlling the HD 600s.
Where? How?

>>59677095
>Equalization is a tool used for specific songs
Yeah it is, during production. In reproduction it's a powerful tool to fix the frequency response of an audio system and especially effective in headphones due to their(mostly) minimum phase nature.
>not an catch-all bandage to cover up the flaws of an entire headphone
How is it a bandage? It doesn't "cover up" anything, it directly addresses the response fixing it. Assuming you do it right that is.
>The fact that you think otherwise says all I need to know about your headphone purchases.
Elaborate without the part trying to sound smart by ridiculing others, thanks.
>Oh okay, so graphs won't work either because they're "not useful".
Do you have trouble understanding what you are reading? Graphs work provided that you are able to analyze them to at least some degree. It's just that square waves are a complete waste when we do have the FR already.

---

Is it truly too much to ask that you people read the posts and take in only what was written instead of constantly trying to create some idiotic opposition between model x and y like I have some hidden brand agenda here?

>>59677298
>He can't handle treble
That's on you, anon.

>>59677292
It just depends in your sound signature preference. AKGs tend to have more pronounced highs than other brands, which a lot of people don't like.

>>59677328
That's all? I see; thanks.

>>59675811
>I'm strongly anti Head-Fi so naturally I prefer the O2

???

NEW THREAD

>>5967740

NEW THREAD

>>5967740

NEW THREAD

>>5967740

NEW THREAD

>>5967740

>>59677312
EQ isn't some miracle medicine that magically turns headphones neutral or into other headphones and fixes all the flaws. If it were, then frequency response would not matter at all, and headphone choice would not matter at all, and nothing would fucking matter in this general. At best it's the equivalent of ghetto-rigging a solution together.

>Elaborate without the part trying to sound smart by ridiculing others, thanks.
I think it's pretty obvious what I was getting at here.

>Do you have trouble understanding what you are reading? Graphs work provided that you are able to analyze them to at least some degree. It's just that square waves are a complete waste when we do have the FR already.

So only the graphs you like matter, whereas the graphs that disagree with you are useless. I see.

>>59677367
Some people also complain of the build quality and rattling, especially with the K7XX.

OOPS... this is the new one:

>>59677405

>>59677405

>>59677405

>>59677405

>>59677430
Kek. The butthurt Sennheiser shilling made the thread.

>>59677430
Can you please not start a thread by acknowledging the troll's existence? That only gives him validation.

>>59677422
Will take a look. Thanks.

>>59677493
Before this thread dies down, are there any other alternatives?

>>59677412
>EQ isn't some miracle medicine that magically turns headphones neutral or into other headphones and fixes all the flaws.
True. No magic involved, just you adjusting some filters. It doesn't fix all the flaws but if we...
1. are operating in minimum phase
2. aren't limited by bandwidth
3. don't have extreme Q resonances
4. don't have resonances which shift heavily depending on how you physically use the headphones
5. don't have trouble with leakage
6. aren't already running into thermal or compression limits.
7. have enough gain
EQ basically does fix everything there is left to a headphone. It's up to you at this point to use it correctly and effectively.
>and headphone choice would not matter at all, and nothing would fucking matter in this general
Now that's just wrong. In addition to the points above, I wouldn't tolerate to wear something uncomfortable.
>So only the graphs you like matter, whereas the graphs that disagree with you are useless. I see.
Are you being serious? I sure hope you aren't but I'll bite for the last time.

I don't disagree with anything shown in the square waves. They are just very limited in what they show and all that they do show we ALREADY SEE in the frequency response. They provide NO ADDITIONAL information whatsoever on top of it. Hence they are useless when have the FR. It's now the third time I told you this.

>>59677430
You will just lure the idiot(s) out by giving them any attention. Never put this shit in the OP or post it into a thread. Report and ignore as always.

>>59677613
>EQ basically does fix everything there is left to a headphone. It's up to you at this point to use it correctly and effectively.
It's up to you to prove this. I'd like to see some before and after EQ graphs. Not only that, most people don't have the measuring equipment to properly set a baseline for EQ adjustments. Going by your logic, driver consistency should be one of the most important aspects of a headphone - something which the HD600 is really very poor at.

>I don't disagree with anything shown in the square waves. They are just very limited in what they show and all that they do show we ALREADY SEE in the frequency response. They provide NO ADDITIONAL information whatsoever on top of it. Hence they are useless when have the FR. It's now the third time I told you this.

What they do is highlight the flaws that aren't immediately apparent in the FR graph, which is why you don't like them.

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>>59677253
>HD 600.
That's some refined taste :)

>>59678059
Only adding to the two most shilled devices here. :)

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>>59677727
>It's up to you to prove this.
Head onto the Wiki. We have papers for these.

>Headphone Fundamentals
>A virtual headphone listening test methodology

Pic related is AKG K550 left and right channels plotted from the virtual headphone study. Dotted line is a virtual headphone equalized for the same response. These studies:

>The Correlation between Distortion Audibility and Listener Preference in Headphones
>AES 139 Presentation 2015 Olive and Welti Preferred Bass and Treble Levels
>Effect of Headphone Equalization on Auditory Distance Perception

Rely entirely on the effectiveness of headphones equalized to some target.

>Going by your logic, driver consistency should be one of the most important aspects of a headphone
It's also something that is easily fixed with EQ.
>HD 600
Without understanding why would you bring that up again, the handful of cherry picked plots here don't count as any evidence of it if that's what you are trying to say here. Same goes for the endlessly reposted pictures of broken headphones, recently Sennheiser, but over the years it has been whatever people liked to bash on. Get some data and it's worth discussing.

>immediately apparent
Yes it is if you analyze them properly.