/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>59661175

>part picker
>not making your own components like in your pic

pleb

Is the small zalman t5 case good?

>>59661303
have you checked real reviews?

>>59661317
Well on amazon they seem to like but amazon is full of shills sometimes

>>59661354
no, REAL reviews you tard. like actual fucking knowledge people that review hardware a lot. try youtube or google

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>>59661206
I'm not sure I'd want to overclock it.

>>59661175
Whats the best wireless card i can get to connect to my router thats in the living room?
My pc is in my bedroom and currently suffering with 100mbps connection over powerline adapter
If it helps my router is at&t, model 5268AC

>>59661643
Also budget would ideally be around or below $100, and the router provides gigabit for the pc directly connected to it in living room

>>59661662
wifi is not really better than powerline. why cant you run an ethernet cable?

>>59661662
i heard good thing about the asus router, just get one that can run DD-WRT

>>59661834
Running it through a wall or on the ceiling or something would be an inconvenient pain in the ass. Are you saying powerline and wifi will both be garbage or that either way will work just as well as the other?

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>>59661911
depends on what you use the net for. for gaming both are garbage. if you dont game then both are fine.

also you can just run a cable along the wall strip and make a small notch in the door frame and pull the cable thru to the other side

can you help me select some pieces for a new gaming capable PC?

i already have a GTX660 and a 500w PSU
but i need help selecting the rest of the parts since i know jack shit about this, i have a 360 Euros budget and i also need a monitor, and i can't order anyting online right now so anything selected from this page would help http://www.pcbox.com/categorias/componentes?nodo=4

>>59662059
B350 motherboard and R5 1500.

>>59662038
Problem is that its my parent's house not mine and my dad looks at anything pc-related that isnt stock as basically witchcraft

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How is this building looking? Also what is a good 4K monitor? Money is not an issue but in the $800 and lower price range.

>>59662284
You know R7 1700 is cheaper and better anon?

>>59662270
underage b&

>>59662284
>i7 two weeks from R5 launch
>hyper 212 for unlocked CPU
>$190 mobo
>CX PSU
looks bad

>>59662284
Get a better cooler and power supply.

>>59662329
R5 might be a better value for gaming, but it won't perform better.

>anon should still wait though

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>>59662478

>>59662284
>4k
>7700k
You fucked up

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So is the 960 EVO now the go-to boot drive? Just under $40 more than the 850 EVO for 250GB with 4x the performance.

>>59662456
What would be a better cooler and power supply?

>>59662314
>>59662329
>>59662478
I've seen the benchmarks and the i7 beats the R7 most of the time while playing games. That is what this build is for, I'm not streaming or rendering anything.

>>59662503
Explain please?

>>59662605
The R5 1600 is cheaper and will be better in the long run with more cores and threads.
With fast RAM you get same performance as the i7.

>>59662284
I have that CPU/mobo/memory/case and pretty much trivial substitutions for the rest. Very happy with it, no issues at all (not that you'd expect otherwise these days really). I like the fan control stuff and the WiFi is pretty good.

>>59662605
>I've seen the benchmarks and the i7 beats the R7 most of the time while playing games. That is what this build is for, I'm not streaming or rendering anything.

If you don't care about money and just wanna play gaymen at the highest possible FPS, get the 7700k.

Still couldn't hurt to wait for R5. Maybe you get ~15 less FPS averages, but you may end up saving 50%. In heavily multithreaded games it will likely (and already has) pull ahead.

>>59662659
Some people don't like AMD, I'm not sure why you guys shill for the intel fanboys when they obviously just want intel

How are PNY gpus?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PNY-GeForce-GTX-1070-DirectX-12-VCGGTX10708XGPB-OC-8GB-256-Bit-GDDR5-PCI-Express-/302082916354?customid=25e60fb214b711e788398e01733482750INT&pub=5574652453&campid=5335869999&afepn=5335869999&hash=item46558b8002%3Ag%3AqkgAAOSwOyJX4oaw&afepn=5335869999&rmvSB=true

>>59662767
im not sure why you defend the intel fanboys

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>>59662787
because it's their preference nigger

>>59662767
Then they are free to do that. However, when you come into a thread asking for advice you don't ask what is their favourite brand, you try to advise them on their needs.

>>59661643
why do you not take an old pc or buy a pi and turn that into a router

>>59662839
>I'm suffering from 100Mbps over powerline, better switch to shitty computer that has that 100Mbps also shared with USB!

>>59662801
>prefer to waste money because of brand name
stop letting the kikes rip off people you fag

>>59662874
custom made routers out preform any consumer product under 300$

>>59662940
Raspberry Pi is a custom made router?

>>59662967
you can turn it into on easily

>>59662996
Yeah, router with a fucking 100Mbps shared with USB bus, retard.

>>59663008
you do not have to use a pi like i said in the beginning an old pc or any pc will do fine

>>59662511
Unless you're on a tight budget yeah.

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wow, im early for once

So, I have a question. Pic related is my current build. I built it about three years ago this time of the year. My question is, when do I know when to upgrade? Nothing in my PC seems to be wrong or in need of replacement at the moment, I just don't know when to judge if my hardware is too out of date or not.

I pretty much only play DotA 2 and emulate games with my machine. I would like to play more current games coming out, however, and I am also interested in using cemu in the future.

>>59663046
you already know when to upgrade. when shit starts running slow or the game you are playing or want to play requires better hardware. please use common sense next time

>>59663046
You know you need to upgrade when the computer is not performing well enough to meet your needs and you're sure it's a hardware problem.

For example, I have a Phenom II x4 955 and 750 Ti, which is ancient by today's standards, but I only use my computer for web browsing and some occasional Warcraft III, and it meets my needs perfectly fine.

>>59662284
Get pentium g4560. Save you a lot of money while single thread performance is superb and it also has hyperthreading.
Inb4 >two cores in 2k17
You don't need more than two cores, amd shills.

>>59663095
put a glock in your mouth

>>59663014
Yeah, burning 300W for a router, what could go wrong.

You can get decent MikroTik router for a price of Raspberry Pi and all the shit you have to strap on it to even make it work, or for the price of running P4 machine 24/7 for a month.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B43BYr
I'm worried about memory compatibility
Would getting this 16gb 3200 set be worth it? Would I see improvements over the 2400 speed ram?

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>>59663095
No.

>>59662766
>If you don't care about money and just wanna play gaymen at the highest possible FPS, get the 7700k.
Alright, thank you.

>>59663146
>implying full load 24/7
im not even that other guy but that's just fucking retarded

>>59663161
you can get equal speed RAM for $120 you tard

>>59663197
>>59662766
i7 is going to start lagging behind real fucking soon, Ryzen is already equal to i7 with good RAM.

>>59663146
not all computers run at 300w nor does a router max out the computer in anyway

>>59663221
It's possible, but if you've got money to burn and you want the best right now, 7700k is still the chip to beat. Brutal single-thread performance is still pretty much king. At the very least, you won't be disappointed.

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>>59663221
>Ryzen is already equal to i7 with good RAM.
BUT MR SHEKELSTEIN TOLD ME THAT THE NEW I7 DESTROYS THE RYZEN MEME.

>>59663331
Ryzen isn't going to destroy Intel in terms of performance, it will destroy Intel in terms of value.

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>>59663309
but it's not you fucking retard

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I use this PC mostly for gaming and some other project related tasks. Looking for a major upgrade as I've just slowly been upgrading throughout the years.

Right now I'm thinking about getting a new CPU (and motherboard) as well as a new case. I've read that Ryzen is coming out soon, so I should at least wait until then for price drops on Intel CPUs.

My budget is around $400-$500, is there anything else I should upgrade?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/oznerol10/saved/FYrt6h Intel core meme 7?
Or
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/oznerol10/saved/cM4mGX Memezen?

>>59663356
i have that exact same processor in my old build.

>My budget is around $400-$500,
not much u can do there, take this.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DC8rnn

>>59663346
Where are those benchmarks from? They are different from all of the others I have seen. I hope they are accurate, but it's still a new platform. The point stands, if you don't care about money the 7700k is a solid choice you won't regret.

I'm saying this as someone who is going to be upgrading to Ryzen. I can't afford to blow another $200 on the CPU, but if I could I would just get the 7700k.

>>59663204
>>59663284
Idle for any older CPU is fucking 80-100W, that itself is like 10-times more than a decent consumer router. You. Are. Wasting. Energy.

>>59663377
Fuck, my "good" computer is beaten by a budget build.

I forgot I also planned on getting an SSD for the OS. This is probably going to take more than $500.

>>59663466
>Fuck, my "good" computer is beaten by a budget build.
its been almost 8 years.

i still have my old one with similar specs to yours, i use it for older games.

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is this a good idea?
building a video (mostly multicam) editing workstation, should also be able to handle some light after effects work
x99/6850k is a good bit more expensive here and less coars

>>59663505
1700 > 1800X

used 1080 > new 1070

>>59663475
I planned on using mine on an arcade cabinet, just keeping it in storage until I'm settled down.

I can afford more than $500, just hoping I didn't have to spend more than that. I'll wait until there's more info on Ryzen and see how that is before I take the next steps.

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If got cables that are too fucking small to strip them with a cutter

Saw a video of someone heating the plastic with a lighter and swiping it off

Is it save or will it damage the cable ?

>>59663402
try reverse image searching you lazy faggot

>>59663560
*I've

>>59663560
Either foreign or a dumb phoneposter

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>>59663575
appreciate the help mate

>>59663505
No. You can get 3TB hard drives of the same brand for 1/4 the price

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>Upgrade from 2666MHz RAM to 3600MHz ram
>Get 10c plus temp on i7 6700k while rendering videos
Is this normal? I mean I guess it makes sense, I'm seeing a sizable increase in framerate compared to my old RAM, but this huge increase in heat makes my current cooling set up seem shitty.

>>59663523
can't buy used, I need proper invoices for the company
what makes the 1700 better?

>>59663593
which model would that be?

>>59663505
>chink shit hdd
EZRX or EZEX nigga

>>59663623
>can't buy used, I need proper invoices for the company
u dumb nigga, write it up its not fucking hard.

>what makes the 1700 better?
more performance for your buck.

I just built my new rig, mostly new parts, got the OS on an 240gb SSD.

Now, for storage, I have this old TB hd that might be cursed. I want to format and enslave it, but last time I tried that it fucked up my build on the last PC, although that build was super fucking sketchy.
What's the safest way to format this drive?
I'm thinking unplug the SSD, plug the old shit into the mobo, and just go into bios?

>>59663697
>but last time I tried that it fucked up my build on the last PC
what? how?
>What's the safest way to format this drive?
linux live os and low level format and check for errors
>I'm thinking unplug the SSD, plug the old shit into the mobo, and just go into bios?
do you even fucking know what format means?

>>59662784
bump

>>59661175
that capacitor needs to be drained

>>59664045
I'll offer you my services, 90 an hour.

Does /g/ have a recommended laptops list/guide somewhere? Anyway I'm looking for a laptop, mostly for just having 50+ tabs open in Firefox, but also for gaming a little bit. Budget is around $1000, thanks.

>>59663560
Try carefully peeling them with an exacto-knife

Be very very careful.

>>59663505
Just build a workstation feature am, multicam, ACAD, and Solidworks

Went with 1700x and a 1060 6GB no regrets

How well does ryzen handle 4k video files? Or would a pentium 4560 fair better? Thinking about building a htpc soon.

>>59663623

1700 can OC just as high as the 1800X for $170 less

Also get an asrock Taichi board if you can

I have an $750 limit, do you think it's possible to build a pc from scratch with with a Ryzen 5 CPU with that much?

>>59664633

Yes.
B350 board. Ryzen 5 1500/1400, RX480, RAM, drives

>>59664679
>RX480
why RX480 instead of MSI GeForce GTX 1060?

>>59664679
>>59664704
Also would I need cooling?

>>59664704
Better price/performance in almost all regions

>>59664747
Probably. Slap on a hyper 212 for 20 bucks

Maybe save a few bucks by going RX 470

>>59664879
If I'm going RX470 then I might I'm probably just going to get the GTX 1050 TI

7700k @ 5.1 Ghz
EVGA 970 Custom bios flashed and OC
Gigabyte Aorus K7
Samsung 960 250gb boot drive
Samsung 850 1tb storage drive
750w corsair power supply
Corsair h100i
Enthoo Evolv silver and black edition

>>59664933

But anon the 470 is way better

Assuming I've already have an i7 7700k available, how hard would it be to install Win7 and which z270 mobos make it easier (manufacturer provided patches and tools)?

I bought an Aspire One 532H from ebay for 30 bucks.

Going to install an SSD in it, Have you guys bought any SSDs from Aliexpress and if so, which are the most trustworthy stores/brands?

I'll ask the /csg/ as well

>>59665087
>i7 7700k
>Win7
Kaby lake doesn't support win 7.

>>59665104
Kingdian

>>59665134
Doesn't support =/= can't run.

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Been scraping some money together to put together a desktop.

Might do some light gayming (I mostly just play old school Doom or some TF2), but I wanna virtualize a bunch of OSes for writing/testing scripts and programs. I eventually want to make a YT channel like the faggot I am and will need something to edit footage.

I was thinking the R5-1400 when they come out, along w/ 8GB RAM and maybe a 460 gfx.

Probably going to put a small (~120GB) SSD as my main boot volume (I may go full archfag or go with something easier like Ubuntu or Mint).

Thoughts?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/oznerol10/saved/FYrt6h Intel core meme 7?
Or
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/oznerol10/saved/cM4mGX Memezen?
Rate pls

>>59665087
You don't. If you do you're retarded.

>>59665366
>buying windows 10
>refurbished monitor.

>>59665366
Depends on what you plan to do.

I already have a case,ssd and hdd. I was given these parts from my cousin when he upgraded his pc, and was wondering what gpu should I pair with this? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZgtRhq

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TwcjKZ

Any advice for my budget PC? Anything I should change?

>>59665530
>Anything I should change?
your shit waifu

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>>59665560
NOT MY WAIFU WTF

I'M NOT CHEATING

>>59665530
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CvjgNN

10x better case, extra 10 dollars for a gpu thats 20% better.

>>59665652
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CvjgNN
Hey thanks anon

>>59665586
patrician taste in both waifu and language

>>59664938
Trash.

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>>59664938
>SSD for storage

Should I go with a Crosshair VI Hero x370 or Gigabyte Aorus Gaming 5 x370?

I just want the one that'll have quicker BIOS updates for better memory compatibility.

>>59666059

Gigabyte Aorus or ASRock Taichi

>>59666079
What's wrong with the ASUS? Are they not updating their BIOS quickly enough?

Why would I go with ASRock? Since when do they have good support? Are you memeing me?

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>>59661175
Looking for any advice on my first build.

Gaming PC, ~ $1600 is the budget limit.

Is this decent, or did I pick anything retarded?

Can anyone recommend a good B350 motherboard/RAM combo? Having trouble finding actual detailed reviews of the 350 boards.

>>59666092

multiple ASUS BIOS's have bricked boards. 1 MSI BIOS has also bricked boards. ASRock and Gigabyte haven't.

Though to be honest you probably don't need an X370 board and you should just go with a B350 board which are fine from all manufacturers.

>>59666140
I want to hit 4000mhz on dat RAM tho

>>59666137

I know for a fact that the ASUS PRIME B350 boards go with Corsair Vengeance LPX 2*8GB 3200Mhz because I have that myself here:
>>59662682

For other boards just google if they go together or check the motherboard qualified vendor list.

>>59661175
OP almost did it.

Should be advising not to get i3/i5 period, rather than "not i5/i7".

The advise to get a G4560 instead of an i3 before was also good.
Also, advising to get a i7-7700 non-k instead of a 7600k was always good advise for years, especially when they're $260 like now.

Close enough I guess.
Hopefully people stop posting shit i5 builds.

>>59662059
>>59662076
With only a GTX 660 and that budget.. it probably makes sense to upgrade to an RX470 and keep the CPU he has already, man.
A GTX 660 is garbage. That's like 1/3rd a 7970/280X.
I'm assuming he probably has a 4 core westmire or sandy bridge.

>>59662284
Why not just get a 1TB SDD and add on a HDD later when you actually need it? Looks good otherwise, as long as you realize you're spending twice as much for a 7700k for 10-25% better perf over a 1500X. Perf increases you'll only see at 1080p so it's not GPU bottlenecked much.
Really.. 0% performance performance increase since you're playing 4K and not going over 90fps minimum anyway.

>>59662605
Right. You saw the benchmarks but you don't seem to understand them.
You aren't going to get 123fps like >>59662497 at 4k. That's a 1080p benchmark.
You can see the 1500X that is $280 for cpu+mobo+cooler compared to the $550 for cpu+mobo+cooler or whatever is only 24fps lower.
99fps at 4k isn't good or something? It's not like your GPU is going to push that to begin with. You'll be GPU bottlenecked so why are you spending almost $300 more for the same performance?

If you want to, go ahead. It's your money. It just doesn't make much sense when you could put that $300 into a better monitor, sound system, controllers, etc.

>>59662511
I'd recommend a MyDigitalSSD BPX. It's about between the cost of a SATA SSD and 960 Evo, but it's like 75% closer to the perf of the 960 Evo than the SATA. Best value/$.
I think 960 Evo is overpriced as simply a "boot drive".

>>59666159
Many thanks

>>59666105
Yes you did. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GmNZPs
Add/remove peripherals, mobo, ssd, and ram at will. Everything else is top performance per dollar

>>59666392
Damn, that's a lot better than what I put together.

Thanks man.

>>59659953
>What's your opinion on the ZALMAN T5 Black ATX Mini Tower case?
Looks pretty great.
I love those big side fan mounts. Those are ridiculously helpful for GPU overclocking. Though 140mm or 200mm mounts are better, 120mm is still decent. (fuck useless 92mm ones)

Though personally, I prefer mATX cases that have the PSU mounted in the front corner instead of having all that wasted space in the bottom right in front of the PSU. Those are hard to find that don't look awful and that also have big side fan mounts, though.

>>59661631
>man that's 4gb version of 480
Yes I know. I was just pointing out an example.
I linked to a 8GB RX480 Strix for $150 further down..

>>59663046
I'd say it's time to upgrade for anyone with just 4 threads, unless you're poor.
So if you have a 2700 or 4770, you're fine, obviously. But with a 4670? Might be time to upgrade.

But if you still feel your PC runs fine? Then you may as well wait.

>>59663375
What I'm most confused about is spending $200 on a motherboard but only having an SSD big enough to fit your OS.

Why not just spend $140 on a 525GB MX300, at least?

>>59663356
For $500 you could just barely get...

RX470 ~$90
R5 1500X ~$180 or R5 1600 ~$195
Mobo ~$90
16gb DDR4 3200 $90-$110
MyDigitalSSD BPX NVMe 250GB $120

Make sure you ebates+groupon the newegg gift cards now before it runs out, though.

>>59663466
lol. GTX 950 was never good.

I want to build a computer for editing in Premier Pro and Photoshop with a budget around $1000 USD. What would be better? Ryzen 1700, or a i5-7600, or just wait 11 days for Ryzen 5?

>>59666530
1700

>>59663505
I'd get non-corsair memory (they seem to be having the most problem on Ryzen) and 2x16Gb.

Also, why not get an NVMe as a stratch disk? Doesn't that help a ton with video editing?

Build looks good, though, except for how expensive that 1070 is and those HDDs look too expensive.

>>59663596
>Upgrade from 2666MHz RAM to 3600MHz ram
>Get 10c plus temp on i7 6700k while rendering videos
>Is this normal?
Yes, somewhat. It's normal for Skylake and Kabylake to be housefires.
You're letting the CPU work more often instead of waiting for memory. Less wait states.
Though... it's weird for memory increase to affect video rendering much. It's not even a 5% performance increase yet like a 15% temp increase, yeah? sux but idk.

>>59663623
People saying the 1700 OCs "just as high" are retarded.
But yes, the 1700 is more "bang for your buck".

>>59666556

>People saying the 1700 OCs "just as high" are retarded.

Give or take 100Mhz. You can get a 3.8 1800x bin and a 4.1 1700 bin. 100Mhz isn't worth $170+

>>59664333
>How well does ryzen handle 4k video files? Or would a pentium 4560 fair better?
The 8 core is powerful enough to decode 8K video at 30fps with tons of headroom to spare.

So the 1400 or 1500X should handle 4K perfectly fine. It's about 1/2 the power, but 4K is (less than?) 1/4th the power needed.

Also the 4c/8t Ryzen will almost surely use less wattage and put out less heat than a G4560, making it good for a HTPC. But you know it has no iGPU, right?

>>59666496
>spending $140 for an ssd
Meh, i contemplated it, but i would rather have enough for my OS, plus a couple games and then 3 extra terabytes than just over 1/6 of that for the same price

>>59666495
Hey, use a psu calculator and check what wattage you will need. Pcpartpicker is always off. I was using my own build as a base and forgot to factor in the 1080. By the way, if youre not going for the peripherals, you could make a 1080Ti work

Worth it? http://www.ebay.com/itm/GIGABYTE-GeForce-GTX-1080-DirectX-12-GV-N1080TTOC-8GD-8GB-256-Bit-GDDR5X-PCI-Exp-/302105143290?rmvSB=true&afepn=5335869999&afepn=5335869999&rmvSB=true

>>59666607
>iGPU, right?
Ya guess I could buy a 1050 ti or rx 470 with it then.

>>59666683
yeah.

thats so cheap though, id expect a used one to sell for under 400 now.

>>59666740
Ya that price is really good.

>>59664704
Because the RX480 is just as fast in 1080p, faster in 1440p, and costs 20% less..?

Only reason to ever, ever go 1060 is in mITX builds since they put out less heat. Or unless you suddenly see one for sale well under $200 when the RX480s aren't.

>>59664933
The RX470 is over 50% faster than the 1050Ti and you can get one for under $100, so.. just.. why?
Even on Nvidia gimpworks games, the RX470 is still faster than the 1050Ti. That card is a joke.

Is $100 not enough to spend for something that's THAT much faster than the 1050Ti?

>>59664633
Yes.

>>59665087
Install Linux. Dual boot or VM win7. Manually download and install win7 updates (automatic updater is disabled)

>>59665530
Please spend the extra $40 to get 2x8GB of DDR4 3200.
Assuming gaming, you get a 10-50% performance improvement going from 2133 to 3200 with Ryzen.

Also you could get the 8GB RX480 Strix for $150. Or RX470 for $90. Stack ebates+groupon newegg gift cards.

>>59665510
Sell them. Buy Ryzen 5.
There's no point finishing that build when you have no NVMe support on the board. If you insist on completing it, just buy whatever. It literally doesn't matter.

>>59666105
>spend all that money
>only 250GB SSD
I don't get why people do this, but it's your choice.

Also get the Season 550W Gold that's on sale at Amazon now. Way better PSU and only $60 right now. The one >>59666392 put in that build is the best buy right now.

>>59666530
Obviously 1700 with a B350. Why the hell would you even consider the 7600 there? That makes absolutely no sense.

>>59666596
Whether 100mhz is worth $170 or not is up to the buyer.

>>59666683
Why are you asking us? are you shilling? Obviously $420 for a 1080 is good, especially if you're getting ebates or ebay funbux back on top of that.

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>>59666758
Hi I am
>>59665530

Thanks for your help anon

This is my current list, if you'd like to add anything to it and link it to me i'd appreciate it. I'll take your advice on the 16gb ram.

>>59666805
You didn't give a new parts list.

>>59666818
woops sorry, i'm autistic

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CvjgNN

Also, what monitor would you recommend? I already plan on getting a cherry mx blue mechanical keyboard but i'm lost with monitors.

>>59666827
It's hard for me to recommend 16:9 monitors, senpai. I don't even look at that garbage. But something with an LG panel. And something with freesync, obviously. Check reviews, because not all freesync is created equal.

Also do ebates+groupon autism to save like 100bux.

Remove cooler and use the stock 1500X cooler to save more. You can replace it later when you find a good cooler on sale or just use the stock one, it's nice.

Check the motherboard RAM compatibility list on MSI's website and get RAM that will reach 3200mhz.

>>59666952
There's not really a compatibility list other than it saying that it will accept up to 3200mhz, what would you recommend for ram?

>>59662038
>make a small notch in the door frame
Enjoy getting billed for a new doorframe when your landlord sees it. If you are renting ofc.
>>59662270
>gaming
>parents' house
That figures... why not just place the router in your basement?

>>59667015

All motherboards have QVL's (Qualified Vendor Lists) for RAM telling you which will work at what speeds.

If it isn't on the list google around if it'll work, no one can memorize all that shit.

>>59667015
There should really be a PDF somewhere that lists RAM they tested to reach 3200. I guess they are only doing that with X370s right now, as I can't find it either. You could check for said list for MSI's X370 model, as they're going to be similar usually.

Uhh... so it's hard to recommend because you will likely only end up reaching 2800 on whatever I recommend, but 2800 is still good. So I'd just recommend the cheapest decent looking RAM.

All the $100 sales from a day or two ago are gone. Just keep an eye out for some DDR 3200 16GB/2x8GB CL16 or lower. All I'm seeing now is stuff that's $135.

>>59667147
yeah i was unable to find any 2x8 for only $100, perhaps i should just get 8gb for now and buy 8gb later

So, I need to replace my gpu but I'm dirt poor so I'm on a tight budget. While looking browsing eBay for a new one I noticed most of the ones on my price range are powercolors. Why is this? Are they poorly made or something that so many people are selling theirs? What would be preferable an used powercolor or refurbished Asus and MSI?

>>59667147
I found the QVL for the Gigabyta AB350 and it supports 8gb density 3200 corsair, does that mean 8gb total of 2x4 ram? I'm probably only going to do 8 gigs for now anyway as it is all I can afford.

>>59667253
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8CvhxY

this is more than likely my final list. Thanks for the help guys.

>>59667268
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8CvhxY

It means 2*8. Get a cheaper ASUS PRIME B350 PLUS board and spend the saved bux on 16GB RAM.

>>59667195
Ryzen 5 isn't even out yet. Just check for sales each day.

That's the best way to save money. Don't buy parts all at once. Buy each part as you find the best sale.

Right now there's a great PSU on sale, so you should buy that immediately.

And there's a good RX480 for $200-$50(ebates+groupon) and maybe a decent RX470 for $150-$65(ebates+groupon+MIR).
Not sure how that good the RX470. I think I heard it has thermal throttling issues. Check reviews on the ones you find.
So you should buy the GPU immediately if either of those look good and are in your budget, as those sales end in a few days. IIRC the Strix is very good, but I'm not sure about that 470 that's on sale.

>>59667253
It probably means 8gb sticks of corsair. It doesn't have a model name, die, anything?
Are they single rake? Single rake helps a lot, which is easier to find with 8GB sticks, which is probably what they mean there.

But keep in mind, that's for the Gigabyte board. RAM compatibility is the big issue with Ryzen right now. A patch is coming early April, and another in May, which will both help.

>>59667294
>>59667268

Also why the fuck do you need an optical drive?

>>59667305
Is this fucking patrick? God fucking damn it man.

I just fucking like optical drives but maybe you're right I'll take it off

>>59667294
ASUS PRIME B350

only supports up to 2666 btw

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>>59667340

I'm running an ASUS PRIME B350 right now with 3200Mhz Corsair Vengeance LPX from the XMP profile, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>59667374
I'm sorry anon i'm fucking tired, it was only the website i was on that said it didn't support 3200 the official said it did.

>>59667294
Are you sure you need a case that big?

The Zalman T5 is a lot smaller and only $35. It has 120mm side fans mounts that help a lot for both air CPU overclocks and GPU overclocks.

I also like the Rosewill SRM-01. It has a cool compact layout, only $30.

The Phantek does look high quality, but desu I don't like those cases that have a big row of 3.5" bays on the front like that.
A case with room for 2 3.5" drives plus some SSDs is plenty. You can get 2 3TB HDDs if you need them for cheap.

And.. like I said, I'd not buy RAM now and wait and look for sales. You could potentially get double the RAM for only $30 more between now and the time Ryzen 5 is actually shipping.

Just buy your GPU and PSU now, as those are what are on sale for good prices today. Buy the other parts as you see good sales for what you want leading up to Ryzen 5 actually coming out.

>>59667294
The Gigabyte has dual BIOS. That's a really nice feature. But the Anus Prime isn't bad at all, no.
That's.. just the thing. All the B350s are pretty good. Just comes down to it having the PCIe slots you want, dual BIOS or not, which you think looks prettier, pretty much.
No manufacturer has seemed to cheap out on them. Most of them are as good as your average $150 Z270 board.

MSI and Gigabyte seem to have the easiest time with memory now, though, but it should be worked out with them all to at least 3200 soon but.. idk.

>>59667415
>Zalman T5
will that fit everything even though it's a mini tower?

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>>59667449
google it

>zalman t5 max gpu dimensions
300mm

>rosewill SRM-1 max GPU dimensions
300mm

Looks like they'll both fit a 1080Ti and pretty large CPU coolers (but the 1500X stock cooler is very small anyway). It's rare that cards are larger than that.

My 7970 with an aftermarket cooler is about 13", but they don't make cards that big anymore. Vega are going to be small as hell, and Nvidia's should get smaller with Volta as well.

They're both about as compact as a case can be while still fitting 2 hdds and 1 or more SSDs, and full size GPUs.
For the price at least. I think a Lian-Li PC-05 is at least much slimmer.

I just figure why spend $80 on a case with your budget, unless you really like how the Phantek looks, and these are more compact and tidy.

>>59667528
Thanks so much for your help, I mean it, I've never had someone help me this much on 4chan.

This is what I have,
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WtdzsJ

Looks good? Any last changes I should make?

(also does the t5 come with a built-in optical drive? The way it looks leads me to believe it does but maybe i really am autistic.)

Why the fuck isn't LLC working for my 2500k? I set it to level 10 and my voltage STILL drops to 1.24 when I have it set to 1.325 in BIOS.

>>59667572
That mobo isn't mATX. That's obvious since it's not square. And it says "ATX".

And you can get an 8GB RX480 Strix for $150 like I said. That's a lot better than that 470 4GB for games that use a lot of VRAM like Wildlands and other unoptimized shit that's been coming out.
Or just get a cheaper 470 if you want to save money. $170 is too much for a 4GB card.

And you know, like I said, buy PSU now since you can get it for $60 on amazon now which is a good deal. Buy the GPU now if you want to get one of those two that are on sale at Newegg since you can get them for $85 or $150 respectively with ebates+groupon.
Other stuff you could wait and see if they go on sale by the time R5 comes out.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157734&ignorebbr=1

ASRock B250 Pro4 is on sale for only $59.

Great buy for anyone looking at a G4560 or 7700 non-k build.

>>59667664
what is the ebates+coupon code i've been googling and can't find

I love you senpai

>>59667729
you sign up for ebates
go to groupon.com through the link on the site (or use their browser plugin) and you get 9% back through ebates (they mail you a check)
on groupon.com google newegg, and giftcard will come up.
You can buy 2 $100 newegg gift cards on groupon, and they give you 2 $10 promo gift cards (digital codes, not mailed)
You also get $10 back extra for your first time buying with an ebates referral.
With the 9% back through ebates, you are paying $172 for $220 in newegg gift cards.
Then you go to newegg through ebates, and get another 1% discount.
You buy the $200 8GB RX480 Strix with your 2 $10 giftcards, and a $100 one (you can use multiple together). I'd keep the other $100 for another purchase so it doesn't expire to make sure the promo ones are used up first since they expire in 90 days.

That gets you the $200 GPU for about $150.

Oh and DO NOT try to also buy 2 $50 gift cards right away.. I tried that and groupon fucked up. Make sure your 2 $100 purchases go through first and you get your Newegg vouchers before trying it.

If you have a spouse or parent or something that can also make a groupon account, you can use the same ebates account to go through there again and get another $220 of Newegg gift cards for $182.

Since they're gift cards, they stack with all the other Newegg sales and so on, so you can end up getting stuff for 25-45% off or more instead of just the 19% you get from ebates+groupon+newegg.
There's also similar combos with ebates and ebay, too to get a 1080 for like $365. Or any time you can find gift cards on groupon.

That currently looks like the best deal since the RX470 that was supposed to be on sale for a week sold out in a day... That was $120, and the same ebates+groupon+newegg thing let you get it for $85.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137050&cm_re=RX470-_-14-137-050-_-Product
Is the next cheapset. Same strategy makes it about $105.

>>59662511
Is this thing worth the extra cash?

I mean in what real world situation would you need or notice that high of read speed?

Gayming and general purpose, location Germany, budget up to €1200 pls r8
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/9scRhq

Daily reminder that if you're still planning on buying any of Intel's current offerings you are a dumbass

>>59669088
Replace the mobo with the ASRock AB350 Pro4.

>>59669088
>https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/9scRhq

Drop your optical drive or get a cheaper mobo like the ASUS PRIME B350 PLUS and get a 620~650W PSU with the money saved. Also 3200 RAM.

>>59669149
>No DDR4 above 2666
No

>>59669237
That's outdted it handles 3000 just fine

These thinks change due to bios updates

>>59669075
That was already answered in a reply to it.

Why didn't you read the replies, fuckface?

>>59669088
This build doesn't make sense in a lot of ways, though the individual parts are fine.
-Spending a lot, but skimping so much on PSU when spending just 1% more total on your build gets you a much better one
-A 1700, yet only 8GB of RAM. For most tasks the 1700 is best suited to, most people will use 16GB minimum, 32GB on average (development, light creative use, etc), and often 64GB (heavier rendering, VMs, etc)
-120GB SSD. Do you care about boot times that much? Should at least get something that can fit a few programs so you can really make use of it. Honestly, for those that spend that extra 50bux for one, they ought to just get an NVMe to use as a scratch disk instead of putting OS or anything at all onto it.

Why don't you get a Rosewill Vallens 600W gold or a Season 550RM gold? They're hardly more expensive. Worth the energy savings over a few years.

Why not wait for a 1600X? I'm guessing that's better for your use case. Save a few bucks there for better single threaded performance from the higher clocks.

Drop the HDD, and get a 500GB SSD instead that you can actually fit most everything you'll use on it? Just add a 1TB HDD on later.

Should probably get 1x8GB stick of RAM so you can double it later on and have it running dual channel then, instead of having to completely replace your RAM to keep dual channel or having to run 4 sticks.

>>59669237
Uh it handles higher fine.
2666 is what the Ryzen CPU "officially" supports. Just like how the 7700k only "officially" supports 2400.

http://tips.mining.fyi/p/msi-b350-gaming-pro-preview.html
Finally some info on that elusive $80 B350 board.

Despite being B350, it doesn't seem like something you'd want to overclock with with just 3phase VRMs, but that's perfectly sufficient for running stock (or underclocking)

Anyone can recommend a good 700-750 PSU?
Preferably hybrid modular because I don't see the point for a full modular in my usage scenario.
(Alternatively, should I go for at least 700W PSU for a 1600x + rx480 or lower would do as well?)

>>59669361
Rosewill Vallens-700 Gold, I guess. That's about the only decent quality, affordable, 700W gold, but it's not modular at all.
Season 650RM for semi-modular.

Or do you want a high end one? I prefer fanless but they're a bit expensive.

>Alternatively, should I go for at least 700W PSU for a 1600x + rx480 or lower would do as well?
450W would be more than enough. 550-600 max.

>>59669419

>450W would be more than enough

Really?!
That changes everything, thanks mate.

Currently using a 144hz monitor, would like to upgrade my gpu. Would it be better to get a 1080 or will the 1070 suffice if I want 144 fps on near max settings?

>>59669496
Ya. You can get a 450W platinum fanless sesasonic for only $100.

Why do you think it'd take more?
An 1800X in gaming uses like 110watt. If you really stress it with AVX2 and prime numbers, still under 200watt.
The RX480 what, like 180watt? And Vega is also supposed to be under 300 watt even for the dual gpu. Single gpu I'm guessing 180-220.
Misc shield in the PC, chipset, etc, maybe 35watt.
That's well under 450.

And a good 450 is going to go over 500watts fine.

So yes. 450 is more than enough.

I have 2 of the biggest power hogs, a sandy bridge and 7970. I still don't hardly go over 300. Highest it's gone is 450 from stress tests and overclocking.

>>59669510
A 1080 is a lot faster. Plus you can get them for under $400, so why not?

Or wait for Vega, dur.

Best cooler for a 7700k?

>>59669596
Delid

>>59669510
> if I want 144 fps on near max settings?
not gonna happen mate

anything close to 90 is fine

>Always state the purpose of your PC
Arson
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r4XW7h
first/last build, r8 plez

>>59670048
Looks pretty good.
Do those monitors overclock and run hot enough?

>>59669549

In that case I've put a 450W seasonic G in my basket. Can't wait for the 11th of April.
Thanks for the help again.

Any advice for a UPS for a small pentium build, no GPU? Preferably as cheap as possible while still being a quality product. I can't really swing more than 100
Doesn't need to keep it on long, just long enough for a clean shutdown as well as preventing psu from blowing due to lightning strike, surge, etc.
Other computers have died this way before in this house, not looking to repeat the trend

>>59670094
hope so, plan on putting the tower in the center and using the 3 curved screens as reflectors.

>>59670048
Not sure if bait or stupid

>>59670282
Think about it, anon.

Maybe you're the stupid one.

>>59670236
I love my Cyber Power CP1350AVRLCD so much.

It's not a lot of time for my old power inefficient big IPS monitor, and my sandybridge 7970 power sucker, like 10 minutes.
If I turn everything off, it powers my modem, wifi, and phone for a really long time.

But for $110 you can get the 1000VA and that should be plenty for 60 total watts or whatever you'd be drawing.

>>59670325
I've learned never to underestimate the capacity for less than intelligent decisions on this site

>>59670389
>I've learned never to underestimate the capacity for less than intelligent decisions on this site
Yeah.
Lots of i5 and Corsair 212Evo buyers on here.

>>59670447
Beyond that
>be me
>helping friend out with nas build
>doesn't listen, buys hardware no where near what is recommended by me or anyone
>fucker has an itx board with 4 supported sata ports, non ecc ram, and a xeon 1230
>xeon
>non ecc ram
>nas
Literally why. I know that shit lord lurks here too

>>59670474
lmao

I mean the Xeon is okay, but the 4 SATA and non-ECC is retarded, though.

>>59670506
It would be OK if he knew what compression was, or how to leverage that extra CPU power, or you know was using more than 4 drives
But, I guess i3s just aren't that great for a system that will inevitably be bottlenecked by a 1gb network speed

Guys, looking for a z270 mobo black themed (the more black, the better). I'd like it to have at least 8 power phases and be around the 200 eurosheckels mark. Looking at msi z270 pro carbon right now. Anyone knows something better ?

>>59666758
>Install Linux. Dual boot or VM win7. Manually download and install win7 updates (automatic updater is disabled)
Great, thank you. I can definitely do that.

>>59665387
OK, Pajeet.

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Where do I go from here? This would be my first ever build.

I want to try to drop it down into the $700-800 range. It's at about $950 right now and I haven't even added a power supply or any peripherals.

Things I don't want to change:
-GTX 1060 6GB
-250GB SSD

The rest I'm flexible on. I could drop down to 1TB HDD. I just have no clue on good parts or brands for anything. I remember Seagate drives used to be "do not touch" tier because their crash rates were huge compared to other manufacturers but now they seem to all be way up there on the list? Is it just a price thing?

Similarly, what manufacturers are good for GPUS? Are EVGA and MSI still pretty top tier?

Also what's this whole thing with a new type of CPU coming out in a couple weeks? Should that bring in price drops across the board?

Any RAM manufacturers I should absolutely avoid?

And finally what's a good meme case?

>>59667572
Just as a FYI know that you will have only access to 1 hdd slot if you do plan on going with a full size GPU. You'll have to put the hdd on the top slot to make room for the power supplies pcie cable.

Source: I have one

>>59671286
Change seagate to WD Blue (any size).
You could change mobo (b250) and slap a 7500 if you want to cheap out.
Also switching the RAM frequency to 2400 MHz will significantly lower the cost.
For PSU I'd go EVGA since their manufacturers are Seasonic (for GS series) and SuperFlower (For G2 series). I believe 650 W will be fine.
I'm using the carbide 400C and I'de reccommend it.

>>59671286
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yfnFyf
i did some realistic downgrading on some of your shit, i'd suggest a RX480 as it's 20-30$ cheaper too.

Is there any low profile cooler (under 56mm) that could handle a 1700x at stock clocks? All the noctua ones I've seen recommend a 80W or lower TDP, should I just downgrade to a 1700?

>>59671409
>>59671365
Thanks for the tips.

I'm not too keen on the CPU downgrade in that list so I might just have to scrape some more together and go to the $800-900 range.

Just to clarify on the Intel CPU thing, people are saying don't buy anything now because the upcoming Ryzen CPUs should bring out an intel price drop or am I missing something? I won't be buying anything for about a month anyways so I should be good?

>>59671286
>i5
>a $270 1060
>212evo
Almost everything is wrong with this. Beyond help, so I'll stop there. Read the thread. This has been gone over plenty every day for years.

>>59671409
>z270 with a g4560
lmao?

>>59671409
$20-$30?
The 8GB RX480 Strix is only $200 at Newegg now, which you can get cheaper with ebates+groupon obviously.

>>59671516
There certainly is. It's only a 65w TDP CPU stock. The problem is mounts.

>>59671286
>$1000
>for 4 threads
kek

>>59671577
>>59671560
I said "first ever build" which would imply my lack of knowledge on the subject.

I did read the thread. There are people saying "never buy an i3/i5" and the "don't buy anything intel right now" people but I haven't got an explanation for either.

I've never bought an AMD card and they always seem to get the shit end of the stick with nvidia constantly bullying them. While the price is appealing I'm not sure if I want to transition.

I also mentioned I know nothing about "good parts or brands" beyond what I knew I wanted for my GPU and that I wanted some sort of SSD because I've never had one before.

If you're the ebates+groupon explanation guy I appreciate the writeup you gave the other guy and will probably end up doing it myself.

>>59671650
>I said "first ever build" which would imply my lack of knowledge on the subject.
That's no excuse to not read the thread.

People with similarly shitty builds that were already helped with advice that directly applies to yours. You can literally go copy one of the previously helped builds.

Why should I waste time getting you the same or better performance for $300 less, or 30% better performance for the same time, when you can't bother to spend the time reading the previous posts in the thread?

You also can't be helped when it comes to the best performance for the price when you're going to have hang ups over brand.

I know you can make a 1500X+1070+500gb SSD build for under $800 which will get you about 50% higher performance on average in every task/game for less money, but I'm going to bed.

>>59671650
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MGdwFd
120gb ssd should be enough for system + 2/3 games, i5 7500 is the only i5 worth buying right now(inb4 >i5 >worth buying at all) as it will not bottleneck your gpu and there should be no stutter like you would get on G4560. Get cheap b250 to ensure compatibility with kaby lake, memory frequency is irrevelant on low-mid end configurations. If you really dont want to buy AMD gpu, go with evga 1060.

>>59671862
No, the 7500 isn't worth buying either.

You can get a 7700 non-k for only $50 more (about $250-$260), which is about 45% better due to having both 10% higher clocks and hyperthreading.

And for cheaper than the 7500, you have the 1500X that's also better than the 7500 and 7600k for that matter.

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I need a VM server that can host 16 production VMs. Several of the VMs will need to use more than 1 virtualized CPU. Total RAM requirement exceeds 64GB. There needs to be storage enough to host 16 active VMs and 4 VMs on standby.
File/VM transfer speed within its internal back-up drives and external SAN must be able to handle at least 500 MB/s throughput with the lowest possible latency.
Uptime and the lowest possible energy consumption also a must.

Help me

>>59671862
Are you this >>59671365 guy? Thanks for the advice.

>>59671969
The 1500x is to be released in the coming weeks, right? I've never had a good experience buying anything tech related when it is first released. I've seen first hand disappointments with smart phones, and a friend who gone a bum Switch on launch. Is it unreasonable to be wary about a new CPU release?

>>59671969
Damn, spending that much on a locked i7 just doesn't feel right with ryzen 5. Honestly, what can you tell people that have their mind set on Intel? They're only short changing themselves by not wanting AMD

>>59672014
1500x is out in 10 days.

You can apparently already buy the 1400 and 1600.

>I've never had a good experience buying anything tech related when it is first released

That's why the 8 cores came out so much earlier, to iron out bugs for your normies. The 4 and 6 cores are the same chip with cores disabled. There's an update coming out this week to fix the last remaining major issues.

>Is it unreasonable to be wary about a new CPU release?
This release has been smooth compared to Intel X99 frying boards, and before that what was it, Sandy Bridge destroying SSDs?

Someone probably has a list comparing the dozens of Intel release fuck ups compared to the like.. 4 problems new AMD CPUS have had over 20 years (and one of those 4 is counting Bulldozer just being awful as a "problem").

>>59672046
Well a locked i7 is still going to be better in most games than a stock 1500X.
But also about $80 more. In some games the 1500X with an OC is definitely going to be better. So imo makes the most sense to get a 1600X.
A locked 7700 is still pretty damn good though.
A 3.6ghz/4.2ghz turbo 7700 outperforms a 6900k with a 4.9k overclock on average. So not only do you save $50 on the motherboard, same cost CPU, but you save $100-$150 buying a cooler to achieve that OC that's still worse performance on average.
Not to mention $250-$300 cheaper than a 7700k.
Compared to an i5, getting a locked 7700 makes more sense. But buying any i5 never made any sense to begin with.

Also people have different priorities. Some would rather pay that $300 more for a 7700k overclocked for the absolute best performance on average, even if it's just 10-20% more over cheaper alternatives, when they're spending $700 on a 1080Ti.
To me I'd say that's not worth it, that they should get something cheaper and wait for Zen2, Zen3, or for Intel to actually finally offer something worth the money again. But for someone that wants *~absolute best performance now~*, that's just how it is.

Is there anything on aliexpress actually worth buying or is it all trash?

>>59671862
no intel CPU is worth buying right now.

>>59672162
Their singles day sale is usually good. Otherwise, too much shit to wait for.

>>59672178
G4560 is still good.

The 7700k also isn't really bad, it's just very overpriced especially when you factor in how expensive of a cooler you need for decent overclocks.

And the i3-7350K is still king for emulators and dwarf fortress.

>>59670474
>be me
>shit lord
where the fuck did this poster come from

>>59672192
too much shit to wade through* I meant

>>59672192
>2 cores
only if you exclusively run old programs

>>59672212
It should be obvious what the G4560 is for.
It's a $60, 3.5ghz, 2c/4t CPU.

Question for someone looking to build a PC, what exactly does each of these components influence in the performance of any game?(i.e framerate, loading times, etc)

-Monitor
-CPU
-GPU
-Ram
-HD/SSD

Thanks in advance.

>Want to build dad a mini PC for web browsing
>Want to do it cheap, small case, as slient as possible
What do?

>>59672263
barely any of the tards that come to this board know that and they will look at some gaming benchmark and go "oh look this $60 is almost as good as an i5 in this one game" and buy it without realizing that test might not be threaded and didnt even look at minimum frames

>>59672265
none.
quite a bit.
very much.
a little.
none.

>>59672295
NUC

>>59672265
>Monitor
lets you see things
>CPU = FPS, all around performance
Calculations, syncs, helping with render and working hand-in-hand with the GPU for physics and generally anything gameplay related
>GPU = FPS, how pretty you can make the gam
renders the grafix
>RAM = Ranging from Minor to Major depending on the amount, depending on game
lets you cache shit so it can load super fast and not have to be constantly fed back and forth
>HD/SSD = Load times and specific games, also works as bootleg ram

Should I return my h105 and buy a sub 160mm air cooler(this excludes nh d15, besilent, that big phanteks), and a arctic gpu cooler to replace the pump on my 980ti hybrid?

The pump on the 980ti is going and Im scared its just gonna keep happening.

Building my first PC on Sunday, wish me luck homos.

>>59672323
>>59672345
I mean, I was told that the Monitor was actually quite a priority, so I shouldn't just pick any of them

>>59672295
Wait for the god APUs, imo.

Even if it's just for web browsing, the power efficiency of Ryzen and (supposedly) of Vega are crazy.
So you could just make a teeny tiny box that barely fits an ITX board yet your dad will probably never need an upgrade from that.

Or you could do similar simply with a G4560.

>>59672307
Well the 7600k is better 50% better on average than the G4560 including with an OC. Considering it costs 4 times much for cpu+mobo+cooler over it, that's super garbage.

>$60+$60 for a G4560
That gets you, say, 60fps 1% minimum on a given modern game that's decently enough optimized like F1 2016.
>spend 4x more, $480, $240+$140+100 for a 7600k+mobo+cooler that can (potentially) reach 4.8ghz
That just gets you 90fps 1% min? Really?
>Spend an extra $100, $580 total, for a 7700k
That gets you 120fps 1% min.

You can see how the 7700k is worth it by comparison, while the 7600k is complete dogshit that should be like $125 to justify its price/performance.
And you see how I can sort of recommend the 7700 non-k or 7700k(6700k generally better. Some cheaper mobos and only like 3% worse performance for $40 less) but I will call anyone that suggests a 7600k a fucking moron.

Modern games you see where the 7600k looks similar in perf to the 7700k are almost always because they are GPU bottlenecked.
That should be apparent to anyone that remembers the G3220. Good CPU, but not good enough. Suddenly it became about 50% better with the G4560 with an only 15% clock speed increase because the G4560 also has hyperthreading. That shit makes a big difference. Usually around a 35-60% increase right there that you simply don't see when things are GPU bottlenecked.

>>59672433
You never should have used an AIO to begin with.

>>59672531
Monitor affects image quality...

And how well freesync works.

Latency, ghosting, blah blah.

Too much to explain to someone that doesn't know anything about them and probably won't appreciate what a good quality one looks like.

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>>59672545
The cooling performance is strictly superior to any air cooler than can fit in my case but it's okay, this thread has always been full of people trying to pass off uneducated opinions to feel better about them selves or their past purchases :)

>>59672531
it depends.
if you do graphic work where colors are important then it matters.
if you want a nice gaming experience it matters.

if you're just a super casual gamer then it doesnt really matter unless you want high resolution for crisper image or some of the features one or the other brands offer.

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>>59672590
>this thread has always been full of people trying to pass off uneducated opinions to feel better about them selves or their past purchases :)
FUCK YOU.

FRACTAL DESIGN ARE THE BEST FUCKING CASES.

JUST IGNORE THE OBSCENE AMOUNTS OF DUST INSIDE OF IT

MUH FILTERS ARE WORKING JUST FINE

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WINDOWS ARE FOR FAGGOTS

ANY AND ALL LIGHTING IS FOR FAGGOTS

ANYTHING BUT A PLAIN BLACK BOX IS FOR FAGGOTS

ANYTHING BUT THE RX 480 IS FOR FAGGOTS

I WILL NOW ADJUST MY OPINIONS, FUTURE POSTS, AND PURCHASING DECISIONS TO FIT THIS

NOW REPLY AND AFFIRM

>>59672590
>The cooling performance is strictly superior to any air cooler
I was going to say you're wrong, because tons of air coolers outperform that AIO.
but..
>than can fit in my case
okay, I guess.

I just assumed since most people get shit AIOs because they're ignorant and actually think they're better when the ones they buy are not.

>>59672718
The important part of my question to me was really if a third party air GPU cooler can match an evga hybrid cooler. I could just RMA but its such a wide spread problem that it'll probably just happen again.

There are a bunch of options
Rajintek morpheus ii - in black cus its gorgeous
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA66Z28H1378

xbox hueg arctic aaccelero
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1K64KA2412

Logisys thing
http://www.logisyscomputer.com/viewsku.asp?SKUID=VC6006&DID=VGA

I could just pick up a nzxt g10 and a higher quality AIO, it's just this specific aestek model that has problems with noise and the pump not starting and or dying

>>59672793
I have roughly that same artic accelero GPU cooler on my 7970 and it doesn't go above 70c on my VRMs, 62C core, with a 145% overclock. All while being quieter than the average stock cooler is at idle.

But be warned, at least on my 7970, it makes the GPU like 13" long.

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>>59672876
sometimes when i start passing out while masturbating i start to confuse my gpu with my penis so the longer the better really

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>>59672888
dat bending

>>59672646
>IGNORE THE OBSCENE AMOUNTS OF DUST INSIDE OF IT
>MUH FILTERS ARE WORKING

What is "positive air pressure", anon? If you can't tweak your fan speeds such that there is more air pulling into your case than is pushing out, then simply add one more fan to pull in than the number of fans pushing out. Enjoy having no more dust in your case.

>>59672926
makes little to no difference. i've seen negative air pressured cases (a single exhaust) with zero dust

>>59672888
If it fits in your case, go for it.

Impressed the fuck out of me, how good it is, though my model is slightly different (7970 have the 45 degree angle tilt on the die). But it looks similar. Very long, 3 92mm fans.

Next time, though, when I get Vega or whatever, I think I'll get their 2 120mm fan model, or 1 140mm fan model. Those are even quieter.

The new backplates on their newer models with the fins look so dumb, though. Meh. I see that has that too. I really can't imagine it helps cooling much.

I know MSI released a 1080 or something with a backplate they say helps cooling. But if you take it off, there's not even a 0.1C difference in VRM temps.
Though Artics is way beefier.. so maybe. I'd like to see a temp test running furmark for an hour with the artic backplate on vs off.

>>59672926
I have 3 fans pulling in, 1 fan pulling out, it still doesnt fucking work.

My 500R doesn't have dust filters. It just has 2 120mm fans and a 200mm blowing in. The grateing over them collects some dust.. but certainly can't be all. Yet it doesn't get significantly dusty inside.

Will definitely go for a case designed to collect dust on dust filters next time, though.

my dust filter is made out of stockings
works great

>>59673292
i've been thinking of pulling one over my existing "filter" which is just a mesh cover... heard the original hackers used stockings for dust filters since a long time

Currently waiting on the asrock x370 taichi
I'm having trouble deciding on ram
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232530
or https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232194

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got this delivered to me today.

i still need a CPU and a motherboard to match this well.

should i just buy what's recommended on Logical Increments? i dont understand why they recommend to spend that much on the case and motherboard though.

>>59672979
Just buy some aftermarket ones, no need for a new case

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>>59673672
i meant THIS. fucking sweet. costed me $550

>>59673657
neither, they both have retarded "heatsinks" that sticks up and are overpriced.

>>59673691
>$550
you can get a 1080 for that....

>>59661175
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137113
First 1080 ti worth buying is out in burgerland

>>59673691
>i meant THIS. fucking sweet. costed me $550
return and buy a new 1080.

>>59673707
>>59673835
its ok. one step at a time i dont want to jump straight to highest tier stuff.

can someone tell me what CPU best goes with this? and a budget motherboard?

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>>59673917
>its ok. one step at a time i dont want to jump straight to highest tier stuff.
are you fucking retarded?

Should I have my front case fan blow air into my HDD that sits in its bay?

>>59673981
makes no difference but hard drives last longer if they're between 35-45c

>>59674027
Mine always sits at 35c anyway so I think don't think it's worth putting it in the way of the airflow.

>>59673917
>its ok. one step at a time i dont want to jump straight to highest tier stuff.
a 1080 costs 500 you retard.

Would the Wraith cooler be enough for the Ryzen 5 1400 or would I have to look for an aftermarket one?

>>59674358
more than enough.

>>59673917
b8

If I buy ram rinning at 3000, can I lower the click to something supported should my mobo not like it?

>>59675243
You know what I mean.

>phoneposting

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I am thinking about doing some SLI bullshit with 1070s possiblyt for the fun of it. Anything else I should upgrade?

>>59675243
>>59675262
yes.

>>59675330
>SLI
>for the fun of it
there's nothing fun about that

>>59675330
Get more ram

Anyone own a PCI-E SSD? I'm curious where you notice speed improvements. There is a WD Black 256gb for $100 that I'm about to order. I wont be storing my games on it, I have a 500gb drive for that. It's just going to be my windows OS partition and the significantly smaller auxiliary OS partition I keep for distros.

Do you notice applications launch faster? Overall system responsiveness? Etc

>>59675377
instead of SLI should I just do a 1080 or some shit instead

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first time building a computer here.

does 144hz monitor make a difference compared to 60?

also does motherboard matter aside from just compatibility?

>>59675644
what do you plan on playing

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>>59661175
What should I upgrade?

>>59675654
basically every recent game on PS4, but probably GTA 5 mostly. and MMOS. i want them all on max setting

>>59675890
then 144 probably doesn't matter much because chances are you won't be able to hit over 144 on max settings for mmos

If you were going to be playing CS or like dota or some shit where you can, then ya get a 144

>>59675858
if you're on a budget, do what my coworker did

>r7 1700
>rx 470
>8gb 2400mhz ram

>>59675912
>chances are you won't be able to hit over 144 on max settings for mmos

what do you mean? i have a
GTX 1070, and probably will buy a i7 7600k later. also is this cpu necessary?

>>59675929
alright I'll do that. Thanks.

>>59675957
So? MMos get continually cluttered and have shitty fps most of the time

>>59675465
>Anyone own a PCI-E SSD? I'm curious where you notice speed improvements.
its 7 times faster than a regular ssd.

windows loads in under a second.

>>59675579
yes

>>59675644
yes it matters. just fucking google 60 vs 144hz

>>59675858
R5 1600.
B350 mobo.
3200MHz+ RAM.
RX480 8GB.
SSD.

>>59675912
he doesnt need to with freesync.

>>59675929
>Ryzen with shit tier RAM
top fucking kek

>>59675957
unless Intel drops the price on i7 by $100 it's not worth it.

>>59675858
rx470 for sure.

next would be your cpu and then your ram.

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>>59675644
I don't want to sound like a shill but I bought the meme monitor 2 weeks ago and am still amazed.
Getting into high refresh monitor is a one way ticket. Sadly you need to experience it yourself since looking at slow-motion footage on youtube is not the same.
Also g-sync is damn fine since it reduces input delay in competetive (lol) video games and really cuts down the stutter in anything below refresh speed.

>>59676367
>he actually paid the gsync tax

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Is this any good? I don't think I need even this much of power desu, I only plan on light gaming (dota 2, rocket league, wargame etc.) and some workstation stuff (simulations on matlab and python, xilinx ise etc.). Should I downgrade on the video card for 1050 or 480, or would that be too much? Also, what other CPU would you recommend, should I go for 7600 if I haven't done any overclocking before?

>>59676467
>i5 less than 2 weeks before Ryzen5 release
>meme cooler
>unlocked CPU with locked mobo
>1060 3GB
>Corsair CX

terrible

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>>59676467
>downgrade from 1060 3GB to RX480
are you a novidiot shill or just retarded?

>>59676467
why do you retards never post the link?

>>59676505
I had 1090t before, it was shit, not buying AMD again. I will go for 7600 tho, you are right about overclocking shit. Could you tell me what is wrong with the cooler, video card and the power supply please? This will be my first desktop PC for about 6-7 years, I'm new to all this shit.

>>59676527
I thought it would be easier for you guys to check with the pic, here's the link

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2wmvCy

>>59670282
>arson
>first/last build

I'm pretty sure he was joking and I got a good laugh looking at the build.

>>59676542
>being this deluded
Ryzen is good. It's not a repeat of Bulldozer/Piledriver. Stop being a fucking retard that lets anecdotal evidence control you.
cooler is just a step up above stock and will only give average OC.
buying a 3GB VRAM card in this year is fucking retarded and RX480 is better than both version of the 1060.
CX models are crap.

>>59676617
>cooler is just a step up above stock and will only give average OC.
Don't care about OC, thought kaby lake stuff did not come with stock? Otherwise I would have gone for stock desu.

>buying a 3GB VRAM card in this year is fucking retarded and RX480 is better than both version of the 1060.
Googling for benchmarks, I found that 4 gig 480 is slower than 3 gig 1060, can just replace it with 6 gig version tho.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2649-gtx-1060-3gb-vs-rx-480-4gb-benchmark

Shill all you want for AMD, never turning back after the horrible driver support on linux.

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>>59676668
>Don't care about OC
Then dont buy a K-model CPU.
>thought kaby lake stuff did not come with stock?
Only K-models come without a cooler.
>I found that 4 gig 480 is slower than 3 gig 1060, can just replace it with 6 gig version tho
pic related, and these are old benchmarks, AMD has increased performance via drivers.
>horrible driver support on linux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDpsKzSmL-I
>Shill all you want for AMD, never turning back
good goy

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How often are you supposed to reapply thermal paste?

>>59676753
when your temps go to shit

>>59676747
Yeah, dropped to i5 7500. So what do you recommend then, some ryzen r5, 480, and change the power supply? Rest is good?

>>59676779
yes and you can get 3200mhz ram for the same price which further boost Ryzen performance.

possibly remove the HDD and get a bigger SSD.

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Anything you would change? I just want to play at high refresh rate on 1080p, no work on this machine ever

>>59676576
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZNBJ2R

i recommend you look on ebay for used graphics cards and cpus instead of buying new.

you could easily save 100 dollars and get a 1070 used instead.

>>59676863
I have never bought a pc component secondhand before, is it risky?

>>59663505
>>59663623
http://www.ebay.com/itm/131557684335

>>59676922
not on ebay, just be sure you read the listing and look at every single picture.

right now is an especially good time since people are upgrading.

>>59676848

Yeah I'd change the background what's it supposed to be one of those wish boards kids make?

>>59676922
buy from someone with good reviews. ebay and paypal usually side with the buyer if there's an issue.

>>59676542
If you can't even figure out the arrangement of parts, you're not going to get good overclocking performance.

I'd spend more on the motherboard but here's a better build for the same money

>>59676848
>>59 60fps
sponserd by the RGBT community and viewers like you

Will ryzen 5 1600 actually be 69% better than i5 7600? What would be the point of buying the i5 then?

Holy shit when can I buy this in Canada?

>>59676954
>>59676955
Thanks m8s i'll look into it. I think I might have to compromise on the case being micro-ATX since I couldn't find any micro-ATX mobo with 3200 MHz RAM support from the website I plan on buying all this shit.

>>59676999
It's not a huge deal DESU. The regular ATX version of the Fractal C is not much bigger.

>>59676997
I would take the numbers with a big handful of salt but it will absolutely make the i5 obsolete, however it's the 4core 8thread R5 1500 that will kill the i5.

>>59676999
forgot the link
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/
get a locked i7 and 2400mhz ram

>>59677142
Yeah, this looks much better, thanks.

What mATX mobo should I get for the new Ryzen 1500X?

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r8 my build, /g/

>>59676281
>2400MHz is shit ram

>>59677591
>i7 with a 1070