/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>59640577
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VtgQhq

You think it's worth it anons? I consider build this but I'm not sure if it will be good to build or not.

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>>59640652

>no poptarts

ONE JOB, YOU HAD ONE JOB ANON AND YOU FUCKED IT UP.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f9GdwV
r8 or h8

>>59640793

>i3

Nyet comrade.

>>59640914
Name a better CPU in his price range, you cant

>>59640914
i5?

>>59640718
>The gook removed the "Commercial Spam/advertising" complaint
Really gets those neurons firing.

>>59640939
R3

>>59640939

The G450.

>>59640945

Either that or (my preferred option) wait until the lower core ryzens drop.

anyone have a link to the creators update ISO?

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>idiots are still building intel pcs when R5 & R3 is right around the corner

I need a new fan for my hyper 212 evo
thinking about getting this to throw on it, will this get the job done?
https://www.amazon.com/Lepa-BOL-QUIET-Cooling-LP-BOL12P-R-Obsidian/dp/B00LGN8476/

What should I look out for in general if I want to run multiple monitors?

>>59642936

A gpu with lots of outputs.

>>59640793
>>59640939
R3, G4560.

>>59641229
any PWM fan will do, question is have you looked up a review to see how good it is and sound levels?

>>59642936
where the menu controls are, bezel thickness, input orientation, and how good your graphics card is and if it has the right outputs, depending on if you are going to run demanding shit on all screens or just one, all screens except the primary one can be cheaper (higher response time and refresh rate) if you want to save some money.

>>59643601
mobo?

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Would anyone please care to give some constructive advice\opinions on my build?

I'm Australian and my life revolves around my computer, most of it is basic stuff like writing, but I also want to get more into gaming.

So I've based my build off this thing, "$1,500 Build - i7-7700K - 1440p Gaming", I've only slightly altered one or two items.
(Here's the link to a playlist in case anyone's interested) https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5-PBA-wl9UtyKX7kvAWY_9ZI58MJdqv0

Dude in the video seemed really well informed, seemed good at defending the choice of certain parts and seemed pretty genuine and non-shill.

I'm going with this build because I've never put together a PC before, I figure I can go the simple route this first time.

Any advice? Any Australians out there with recommendations for alternatives on certain items that might be less expensive here?

Help would be much appreciated. I'm especially curious about the choice of the Define R5 case, it can get incredibly hot in the small room this is going to sit in, is there a loss to temperature by going with a quiet case like this?

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Just upgraded to a Ryzen 7 1700.

Would recommend to anyone who does software development. It slaughters my old i7 in compile times.

>>59643827

Why not an R7 1700 if you're doing 1440p?

>>59643827
>is there a loss to temperature by going with a quiet case like this?
Yes, but the fractal design has room for quite a lot of fans. Mine right now has 5 140mm ones, i could add two other (three if i remove the hard drive bay and only use M.2 ssd on my mobo + 2 SSD that can fit behind the mobo in the case which is still 3 drives)
The R4 doesn't block noise as well (very slightly) but the temperatures are quite better so you should consider it.

Also you shouldn't base your build off other people's choice, your usage of your computer will always be different from other people so you have different needs and some things will be unneccessary for you. Namely that 7700k "just for gaming" when it's the absolute best gaming processor and can overclock monstruously is quite silly.

Create a proper list of everything you intend to build and we might be able to give wiser advice.

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>>59643940
>. It slaughters my old i7 in compile times.

>>59643711
potato?

>>59643827
Ryzen has far better price/performance ratio than Intel. You will be able to get the R5 4 core 8 thread that's equivalent to intel i7 for like half the price.
His build is pretty good except he has Nvidia GPU with a Freesync monitor, which means he cant use the Freesync part because Nvidia are jews and force you to pay extra for Gsync.
Closed Loop watercooling is more expensive and not needed in most cases. Get a NH-D14/15 if you want a really good cooler, or something like a Cryorig H5 for mid-tier and a H7 or Hyper 212 if you just want something slightly better and more silent than stock cooler.
Powersupply in his list is completely overkill. That shit wont even use more than 450W so something like a 500W-650W Gold rated PSU will be more suited.
Also for 1440p i'd get a better GPU aswell if you want to get the best experience. A 1070 will work fine with Freesync to prevent tearing if you dont want to spend more.

>>59644070
>A 1070 will work fine with Gsync to prevent tearing if you dont want to spend more.
fixed. Also consider RX480 8GB with Freesync instead, or wait for Vega that will be about the same as a 1080.

>>59644096
>if you dont want to spend more.
G-Sync cost $200

>>59644155
1070 with gsync is cheaper than 1080 with gsync, is what i meant

>>59642936
Depends entirely on how many monitors and what you intend to do with them.
Modern GPUs can generally run 5 monitors, while the iGPUs in Intel CPUs can run 3. If you intend to run your video games stretched out on multiple monitors, keep in mind it will be N times more demanding than a single monitor, meaning that for multimonitor gaming at even just 3x1080p you want at least a GTX 1080.

On the monitor side, just stay far away from TN panels and glossy monitors. You want matte IPS ones. Dell's Ultrasharp monitors are great and have very thin bezels making them better at being right next to each other than monitors with bigger bezels.

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what about this

ATX is a must, but I'd like to find a smaller case

>>59644361
>last gen intel i7
>with a hyper 212
>4x4 2400MHz RAM
garbage

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>>59644361
>last gen i7 when 1700 costs $30,- more

>>59644070
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qJ3sBP
any better? i have a case

>>59644480
i guess you chose Z270 mobo to be able to get an unlocked i5 or i7 later, ye?
In that case get 3000Mhz RAM aswell, it's almost the same price.
If not, get a B250 chipset motherboard to save a little.
RX480 8GB is almost $50 cheaper and is at least as good, and better in many cases, than a 1060 6GB.

However, it is a really bad idea to buy a 2 core 4 thread CPU when even the cheapest AMD Ryzen chip will have 4 cores and is being released this summer for as low as around $100 and will spank the shit out of intel's Pentium G and i3 chips.

Also I would recommend getting a gold rated PSU from a good brand, it's a good investment and lasts many years for just $20-30 more.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6mbVRG
Planning to switch to an aio at some point for CPU
295x2 is for more computer work, won't be used for gaming
960 pro because I want the fastest ssd right now. Just because, so that as opposed to Evo unless there are other comparable cheaper options or glaring issues.
Extra ssd because I'd like to add to my quick storage I have locally, extra 4tb because I need more local storage period and that should hold me for a while
Had to go with the Asus board over Taichi because of the 2 GPU and 3 expansion cars situation.
Not willing to give up TV tuner and I need a second nic. Inifniband upgrade for direct link with nas
Advice? Options? Better choices? I'm open to a lot of change here, I've got some time before upgrading

>>59644411
Overclocking RAM is stupid complicated for a first-timer, why suggest anything but 2133? Idiots

>>59644472
Yeah not everyone wants to spend $30 for a chip when they're obviously building a computer for gaming. Fuckass dumb fucking retard

>>59644559
>>59644480
Post your builds in pictures, fuckers. We don't want to go through that sort of hassle, idiots.

>>59644559
Also forgot to include but Ill be using a cryorig r1 ultimate as cooler. Already have that though
>>59644591
Maybe if I get around to it Jesus all you have to do is click a fuckin link you reading impaired mongoloid

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>>59644574
>Overclocking RAM is stupid complicated for a first-timer, why suggest anything but 2133? Idiots
>literally change one fucking setting in BIOS and BOOM you "overclocked" your RAM to the specified rating that the brand is selling it as

>Yeah not everyone wants to spend $30 for a chip when they're obviously building a computer for gaming. Fuckass dumb fucking retard
And he can get an R5 4 core 8 thread for almost half the price of Intel's option and it will be almost as good in games.


fuck off you retarded intell bullshiller


>>59644615
link new corrected list, and you can mark things as purchased in PCpartpicker aswell

>>59644628
Everything else is included I know you can mark purchased. I forgot to add because it still throws a compatability warning but cryorig offers a free am4 upgrade kit, I'll try to change it later

>>59644628

what 'one fucking setting' is that, smartass. XMP does nothing.

and the 1700x sucks for fucking gaming. shitty ass chip only works well in games that are physics heavy.

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>>59644691
>XMP does nothing
except set your RAM to run at it's rated speed, fucktard.

>and the 1700x sucks for fucking gaming. shitty ass chip only works well in games that are physics heavy.
see OP picture, retard

>>59643601
>any PWM fan
yeah I know, I'm just wondering if anyone had any recommendations. It seems to have good reviews, so I think I'm gonna pull the trigger.

>>59644628
i just hope the simulation are accurate the 1500X looks fine when you're on a budget

>>59644574

>6th gen i7
>gaming

Maybe if you said 7700k but hey, clearly not just for gaming if it's a 6700k, retard.

>>59640577
>Consider using an i5 6500/7500 in any RX470/480 or GTX 1060 tier build.
OP is still posting the same shit advice.

>>59640793
G4560 and a cheaper motherboard.

And for the millionth fucking time, cheap EVGA powersupplies are garbage. So are the cheap corsairs.
Seasonic and newer Rosewill are the best PSUs under $70, and they can be had for closer to $40 even.

>>59643827
If your life revolves around your computer and not just gaming, AND you're gaming at 1440p, wouldn't the 1600X be better for you? Marginally worse gaming performance at 1080p (still much better than the 7600k overall), which should get better over time, but far better multitasking performance, yet is like $120 cheaper.

>>59640939
R3.

>>59644181
Kek. I'm sure Vega will have a $350ish card. There's 11 different models coming (many are for servers though).

>>59644361
Looks good. But why not 2x8GB? Dual channel is marginally better, especially if you're going to overclock RAM.

I also really don't get this spending $140 for ~250GB+1TB SDD and HDD instead of just spending $210 for a superior 480GB NVMe like the MyDigitalSSD 480GB BPX NVMe and adding on a 1-5TB HDD later when you actually need the space.

>>59644480
I guess you play on getting a 7700k later, given that motherboard?
Honestly just get it now.

Or pair a cheap $70 motherboard with a 7700 non-k for $150 more instead of $300 more and get enough performance that you won't have to bother.

The starting with a cheap shit CPU on a mobo then upgrading almost never works with Intel and just makes you waste time and money in the end. They don't support their sockets long enough.

>>59644962
see >>59644820

stop being fucking retarded.

>>59644820
>Maybe if you said 7700k but hey, clearly not just for gaming if it's a 6700k, retard.
What are you trying to say? The 6700k and 7700k are virtually the same except the 7700k clocks like 2% higher and as shittier TIM and costs more.

>>59644691
It works perfectly fine. Better than a 7600k on average but with tons of power to spare for other applications or other games that optimize better for it in the future.

>>59644559
>1250W PSU
Where is your dual Naples and 8 GPUs?

What would you guys pair with an RX 460? (No Intel)

>£582 for a Ryzen 1700, X370, 16GB @ 3200 build

Brexit is suffering.

>>59645008
Ryzen 3. But 460 is shit, get a 470 instead.

>>59645019
1600X.

>>59645029
It's for a moderate build. Nothing hardcore. For syberia 3 maybe some witcher 3 its more than enough.

>>59645029

>1600X

50 bucks on the 1600 being like the 1700 and the best deal since it can clock to same levels as the 1600x.

>>59644962
>6500
Okay firstly.. the 7500 is virtually the same price.

Secondly, paying over $150 for only 4 threads is retarded.
You can get a 2c/4t G4560 that's 70% as good in gayman for $125 cheaper.

And why spend $244 for that GPU when you can get it for $185 from Jet? Is this Canadian dollars or something?
$244 for an RX480 is not worth it when you can get an R9 Fury that's way better for $235.

Besides those two things, the rest makes sense. Though I think cheap SSDs just to boot faster are pretty silly when you can get 4x the storage and 5x the speed from spending 4x more. That's free extra speed.

>>59645102
Or just waint until next month and get a 4 core 8 thread Ryzen 5 that will curbstomp Intel i5.

>>59645114
>next month

11 days

>>59640577
Can someone tell if there is a single reason why i7 7700k costs about the same i7 3770k? If not for the fact that I need new motherboard I would go and buy 7700k in a heartbeat, so I was wondering how much 7700k is better than 3770k. Is it worth it to spend a bit much on new motherboard and which one would you suggest? I'm upgrading from i5 2400 and mainly looking for something for paradox's grand strategy games.

>>59645202
which is next month, idiot

>>59645211
because you're an idiot looking to buy a several year old CPU brand new when there's almost none of them left on the market.

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>>59645114
Or that, yeah. If you have an i3 or i5 in your build, you're doing something horribly wrong.

It's completely pointless to buy ANY Intel CPU other than a 6700k/7700(non k)/7700k/G4560 anymore.

The 6900k and 6850k are retarded buys compared to the Ryzen 7s. All the i3s and i5s are retarded buys to the Ryzen 5s.

>>59645230
they're right tho

>>59645242
>they're right tho
and so was i when i said next month.

>>59645241
Thanks for your amazing input, used is barely cheaper.

i have a default windows computer, and 550 dollars, what should i buy to make it better at playing the vidya

>>59645258
then you're not looking hard enough.

>>59645255
ok you're both right

>>59645272
a brain

>>59645307
probably

$1200 budget
looking for a gaming build
I have a 1tb wd black already
looking to play games like BF1, Doom, Dark Souls series at max settings.
I have 2 monitors a dell u2311h and a asus vh236h.

>>59645658
see OP post for logical increments link to get a general idea and put something together so we can make suggestions for you.

but in a nutshell:

>Ryzen 5 1600
>500GB SSD
>RX480 8GB or wait for Vega
>16GB 3000MHz RAM

>>59645272
>Dxdiag/speccy
>Post specs
>We'll tell you

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>try to build PC
>follow advice from reddit because I'm a noob
>buy a H110M Pro-VD mobo with a intel G4560 CPU
>they are incompatible due to the BIOS being too old
>can't update the BIOS

How fucked am I? Should I just kill myself?

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someone please rate this, havent built a pc in 7 years.

>>59645745
>dxdiag
please KYS for even suggesting that he pastes that fucking wall of text.
speccy > *

>>59645816
yeah you should. we would have told you it wouldnt work without a bios update first. now fuck off back to léddit and dont come back.

>>59645844
>i5 when Ryzen 5 release in 2 weeks
>Hyper 212 with that total budget
>Not at least 3000MHz RAM
>RAM with heatsinks that stick up above the PCB
>Dual RX470 from the start
3/10

What is the difference between the 1600X and a Ryzen 1700 with only 6 cores (3+3) enabled while the rest is disabled?
Shouldn't it be pretty much the same?

Is it possible to deactivate 2 cores while at the same time overclocking the other 6 cores to 4Ghz?

>>59645893
well, i understand the rx470 gripe, but the thing is I stupidly bought a 470 2 months ago trying to update my old pc and found out its a terrible card, was hoping that two would be alot better. Also, can you explain the ryzen thing, the ram thing, and your problem with my cooler? trying to save money here. Thanks!

I'm happy for AMD that the can finally compete again. I'll stick with my 6800k, but maybe my next build will be AMD again.

Always AMD Gpu though, fuck Nvidia.

>>59645919
It is pretty much the same.
Yeah but why would you do that?

>>59645932
>I stupidly bought a 470 2 months ago trying to update my old pc and found out its a terrible card, was hoping that two would be alot better
Eh, it's a tad behind the 480, but it would be fucking retarded to buy another one when Vega is coming this summer.
>can you explain the ryzen thing
see OP's pic.
R5 1500 is AMDs new mainstream chips with 4 cores and 8 threads (same as i7) that will cost half as much as an i7 some of them even less than an i5).
>the RAM thing
there's no price difference between 2400MHz and 3000MHz RAM, and faster RAM improves your performance.
>your problem with my cooler
it's a budget cooler barely better than a stock cooler (tho quite a bit more silent), for an unlocked CPU... you're either gonna have a housefire or a jet engine in your room with that. Get something like a Cryorig H5 for a good mid-tier cooler that lets you OC some while keeping your CPU cool and not sounding like you live at the airport.
>trying to save money here
then definitely do not buy intel right now.

>>59645893
Not him but on the hyper 212: If your budget is that much get a better cooler. A simple closed loop system and you'll get much better temps, more room, etc.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but the new chips tend to run hot anyways so a better cool will help.

>>59646042
hey man, i appreciate the non-satirical response, thanks for the info!

The bigges issue with Ryzen that prevents me from buying it, are the freaking bugs.

I have already bought decent ram, but which according to the compatibility list will only run at 2400Mhz. When overclocking it, I have read the system won't even boot up properly.

I will not buy new ram.

And then there is issue with coreparking, ram latency and whatnot.

>>59646042
Yeah, why would I buy the 1600X then, which is close to the price of the 1700 here?

>>59646089
>If your budget is that much get a better cooler
which is what i also said.
>closed loop cooler
costs more than an equivalent air cooler with the same performance
>Also, correct me if I am wrong, but the new chips tend to run hot anyways so a better cool will help.
what chips?

>>59646137
>Yeah, why would I buy the 1600X then, which is close to the price of the 1700 here?
I dont know. But you could get the 1600 (non X) for cheaper than both and with some OC get the same performance in most tasks.
In most places the 1600X is at least $70 cheaper than the 1700, it's a logical step down if you dont have a need for a 8c/16t CPU.

>>59646137
Coreparking was fixed day five on most boards (fucking asus), RAM latency was never a problem it was cross CCX latency which is affected by RAM mhz. Ryzen doesn't give a shit about CAS numbers.

Any stick will hit 2666mhz, but yeah to get past that only single rank Samsung chips will do it. Might be fixed with AGESA later. Just fuckin RMA the RAM if it's that big a deal.

You bought crappy Corsair RAM didn't you

>>59646042
don't you think its unwise to buy a 1st gen processor or gpu from a new line? Im nervous buying ryzen or vega because of the potential issues that will inevitably come.

>>59646137

Coreparking latency patch for windows is coming early April (probably creators update).

RAM compatibility isn't a big issue, as the mobos will be able to run almost any kit eventually. My motherboard went from being locked at 2166 to being able to run 2933 on last BIOS on my unsupported kit.

>>59646235
Just give it some time then. Thats what I plan to do.

>>59646224
>Any stick will hit 2666mhz

No, I have dual ranked ram, which will only run at 2400Mhz.

>You bought crappy Corsair RAM didn't you

No, Crucial Tactics ram for a very cheap price a few months ago

No RMA

And yes, it is a big deal thanks to Ryzen.

>>59645844

Try this -

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FgnjKZ

>>59646264
Dual rank will run at 2666mhz famalam

>>59646264
Compatibility lists aren't accurate. Also don't buy garbage quality RAM and expect it to run at high speeds.

Mine isn't on the comparability list and runs 3200Mhz

>>59646275
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FgnjKZ
$1400 is out of my budget, so i definitely dont think I can get a 1080. Also, i currently have a 1TB mechanical that I will probably wipe for a new rig, but not exactly sure how to move my windows to the SSD.

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>>59644361
>Get Ryzen.
>Nvme.
>Better PSU.
>Graphics card that doesn't spontaneously >combust. 3 fans.
>Better case.
>2x8GB

>>59646379
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FgnjKZ
So which CPU cooler do you plan on actually buying? The 212 is probably good enough if you don't plan to OC or hit it too hard.

>>59646379
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FgnjKZ

Get a Ryzen 7 1600(x) and a B350 motherboard plus a 1070 for your GPU

>>59645844
Dual cards are not great.

The main issue is alot of games don't support dual cards. You get heat issues. The perf is not 2x one card.

It's not great.

>>59646417

You don't need an X370 board. an ASUS PRIME B350 PLUS is 100 USD and can overclock just as well.

>>59646432
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FgnjKZ
>>59646456
i was thinking about the cyborig one instead. also for the 1600x, where are you finding this? i cannot find it anywhere online.

>>59646456
this

>>59646536
>cyborig
cryorig? they have several models.

>>59646563
ok i understand now, its coming out soon and will cost $249. I have a question about the b350 though. Its only $99, will that bottle neck my pc? I would love to save money on it but I have no idea about the differences between mobos.

>>59645844
Buy a noctua nh-d15 and call it a decade.

>>59640577
>>The only worthwhile gfx cards are the GTX1050Ti, RX470, GTX1060 6GB, RX480.
>not 1070

>>59646472
>asus
>am4
Woah, you're evil

>>59644574
>Overclocking RAM is stupid complicated for a first-timer, why suggest anything but 2133? Idiots
Good thing the motherboard does it.

>>59646614
> I have a question about the b350 though. Its only $99, will that bottle neck my pc?
that's not how chipsets work, they dont do shit in terms of performance, they just enable all the other hardware to do things.

>>59646660

I have an ASUS PRIME B350M-A and it runs 2 kits of 2*8GB RAM I have at 3200Mhz without them being on the supported list. I have no complaints.

Good power delivery too. But the core point remains, X370 is a waste of money for anyone not doing crossfire/SLI

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>>59646614

You won't be able to add as many PCI-E devices, so if you plan to crossfire or SLI don't get B350. Otherwise go ahead and save money.

>>59640577
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xFWmKZ

Find a flaw.

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>>59645844
Not worth buying an i5 now. Get a Ryzen R5. Go full nvme. Crossfire/SLI is not really worth it. Single GTX 1070.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Pw7yRG


Ignore the compatibility issue --> http://www.cryorig.com/h7_us.php#am4

>>59645658
>$1200 budget
>looking for a gaming build
>>59645707
You could go 1TB SSD with that, not just 500GB.

960 Evo = $480
1600+mobo = $280
RAM = $60-$150
psu+case = ~$75

$305 is left over for a GPU. Could get a 1070 if you find sales for a bit extra saved.

Or stick with 500GB, and go with a 1600X if you don't want to overclock.

>>59646759
>G4560 with GTX 1070

>>59646772
he already has one 470, he should just stick with that until Vega comes. Fuck nvidia kikes.

>>59645844
>spending all that money for FOUR THREADS IN 2017
>crossfiring 470s when you can get a single RX480 for cheaper that's generally better.
you're beyond help, sorry.

>>59646472
Agreed. I put in an X370 mobo since that anon is going for a high-end build and he might decide to run dual GPUs later on.

>>59646772
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Pw7yRG
this looks good, Im probably going the ryzen 5 with 1070 route as per your guys' suggestions. what is the difference b/t 1600 and 1600x though?

>>59645932
> I stupidly bought a 470 2 months ago
then sell it for 100bux, get an R9 Fury, 1070, or wait for Vega. Duuuur.

Or if you're going to be so terrible with money as your build indicates, just throw it in the trash, accept the loss, and move on. Don't fucking CD 470s. Avoid CF/SLI at all, but especially don't do it with 470s.

>>59645919
1600X has 3.6ghz-4.1ghz clocks.
1700 comes with a cooler and has 3.0-3.75ghz clocks.

So the 1600X has better single threaded performance and is better for most games.
1700 is a fantastic budget workstation option, or good to overclock (but 1600 is also good for overclocking and cheaper)

>>59646863
yea, definitely gonna sell it and get the 1070, i dont like the idea of crossfiring i just made an impulsive purchase a few months back when i was tired of getting 20 fps in rust.

>>59646885
how much of a difference is the 1600 to 1600x comparison going to make in terms of fps in games? Id rather go the cheaper route but want a cpu that can match my gpu.

>>59645983
6800k is a good CPU. But yeah, maybe zen2 or zen3 would be worth upgrading, but right now it's not.

It would have been worthwhile getting for mainstream gaming if not for the stupid price of X99.

>>59640577
>Ryzen Is Good Edition

So here is my story: I originally bought a lot of these parts thinking this would be an i7 7700k build. I changed to Ryzen at the last minute.

How did I do?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gzhG6X

>>59646858

If it's like the 1700 and 1700x you can just overclock the 1600 to 1600x levels. If not then difference is base clockspeed.

>>59646823
I agree with waiting for Vega if he already has an RX-470. I assumed that anon wanted to buy his parts asap and didn't already have a video card.

>>59646906
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gzhG6X

1800x and X370 chipset are a waste of money. Get a Ryzen 7 1700 and B350 motherboard.

Rest is good.

>>59646919
anon here, I do have an rx470 but probably don't want to wait 3 months till summer to build the PC when vega is released while the 1070 exists currently.

>>59646906

do what >>59646944 said but also make sure your new mobo is compatible with whatever RAM you get as you definitely want the speed.

>>59646885
>1600X has 3.6ghz-4.1ghz clocks.
>1700 comes with a cooler and has 3.0-3.75ghz clocks.
>So the 1600X has better single threaded performance and is better for most games.
that's not how it works. They have the same IPC, so if you run them at the same clocks they have the exact same fucking performance per thread.
The R7 is better if you do work, the R5 is better if you're just a gaymur.
And they will both reach 4Ghz.

>>59646944
Agreed.

>>59646951
You dont have to wait 3 months to build just fucking buy the shit now and use your fucking 470 you retard.

>>59646379
>$1400
>four threads
>$350 per thread
>thinks you can't fit a $500 GPU in a cheaper build
beyond help

Can't you fucks read the posts to see advice others were getting to apply to your own builds instead of repeating the same fucking stupid shit over and over?

>>59646759
>G4560 & GTX 1070
>Unbalanced build.

>>59646999
>>59646823
1440p won't give a fuck about my CPU.

>>59646967
Thanks for the heads up. Sadly the ram is past the return date so I've just gotta hope for the best.

My money is on the May magic ram update making it work well.

>>59646951
Buy the parts now and use the RX-470 till then. Sell it when Vega comes out. Profit.

Enjoy your build anon. Cheers !

>>59646969
>that's not how it works. They have the same IPC, so if you run them at the same clocks they have the exact same fucking performance per thread.
You aren't going to run a 1700 at 4.1ghz all core and you can't just overclock 2 cores to 4.1 like XFR does. Fuck off.

It's unlikely you're getting over 3.8 or 3.9 on a 1700. People claiming 4.0 and 4.1 stable 24/7 are lying or using custom loops.

>>59647030
jesus fuck I hate gamer babbies like you

>>59647040

Should be all fine eventually. Just might take time for your BIOS to mature

>>59647068
>It's unlikely you're getting over 3.8 or 3.9 on a 1700. People claiming 4.0 and 4.1 stable 24/7 are lying or using custom loops.

This is why I got a 1800X. Also, as Ryzen CPUs get closer to thresholds in manufacturing the number of overclockable 1700s is gonna go down.

>>59647094
Thanks anon. Puts my mind at ease. The ram has definitely been making me worry.

>>59645844
wait for r5 benchmarks
get an m2 ssd, although the 850 is ok if you are a budget, you can buy 4GB rx480 for $200, don't dual card, maybe a single 1070 or 1080 would be better if your graphics budget is $400, or better yet, get the single rx 480 and a r7 1700 cpu.

Only issue with ryzen at the moment is there are no good motherboards available.

>>59647089
That's not an argument. Everyone in here is posting gaming builds. Fuck off with your shitty advice.

>>59647098

All core OC 1800x has the same chance to hit 4Ghz as 1700 has to hit 3.9, so you're paying 200~ for a 100Mhz difference.

Not saying you shouldn't, it's just so you know your bargain.

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>>59647030
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtpSiYFFjbI

>>59647068
It can get close to 4GHz. 200-300 Mhz is not a huge difference.

The R5 1600 is a great choice if you do some multithreaded workloads but dont want to spend money for an R7.

>>59647134
Simulated R5 benches in OP pic. Great value mainstream chip.

>>59646472
>>59646456
is crossfire/sli the only reason to get x370?

>>59647164
Dude I'm not looking to play 100+ FPS. I'm happy with 60. Fuck off I'm not spending 400 dollars on a i7.

>>59647176

That and if you want more than 2 NVMe drives.

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>>59647176
Not those two but if you want LEDs then X370 is the best option. Also frankly the B350 boards have 0 aesthetic.

>>59646806
>>59645707
how's this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jJN2f8

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>haven't build a pc in 8 years
>coming from an i7 920
>snot just for gaymen
>not sure about ram
>not sure about air or water cooling
>m.2 mainly for boot
>1tb ssd for steam library and working projects
>grayfix will probably come later, ill stick with my 770 for now.

fix my shit up senpai.

>>59647195
>what is framedrops
>what is future games
2 cores wont get you far no matter what FPS you're OK with.

>>59647254
pretty good but you can get 500GB m.2 for $180 from intel.
Dont get ram with fuckhuge heatsinks, they're useless. Should be some LPX for same price.
anything above gold rated PSU is overkill unless you're super paranoid/anal.
Fractal Define S is newer and slightly better if you dont need an optical drive.

>>59647254
read some of the recent posts about chipsets.
why so many different types of storage?

>>59647254

Cheaper motherboard. Find a good looking B350.

Look up your RAM and motherboard compatibility.

>>59647304
>what is upgrading
At 60 dollars I'll be fine to upgrade after a year when frames start dropping you memelord. Your video didn't help you either. Only dropped to 50fps in Witcher 3 at ultra. I'm even more convinced now.

>>59647340
>upgrade in a year
then say so from the fucking start you retard.

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>>59647196
nope, just one, and 2 mechanical.

>>59647227
I could care less about LEDs and my case doesn't even have a window. What I do care about is longevity and stability, may or may not overclock, I already went full retard on 1800x. have an rx480 on the way to use until vega, and just got my am4 Noctua U12 today..

>>59647365
It really should have been obvious with that 1070 but I guess critical thinking escapes people.

>>59647254
I'd run this PC. Looks good.

You might benefit from getting some ram from the QVL - http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X370%20Taichi/#Memory

But over time BIOS updates will greatly improve ram compatibility and it should work out of the box just at a stock speed instead of the OC speed. So you'll be fine whatever you decide.

>>59647304
>why so many different types of storage?
why not?

sometimes you want it fast sometimes you want it big.. (what she said)

>>59647377
and still you're too retarded to notice you will be spending more money in the long run by doing that

>>59647368
Ah right on. Yeah then the B350 boards should be fine. The only thing I'm not sure of is if the B350s have an external clock generator for overclocking. Even if they don't it's not required.

>>59647406

I believe some MSI ones do have BLCK

>>59647403
Doubt it. Both the i5 and i7s are extremely overpriced.

>>59647406
>>59647424
been burned by MSI too many times on my current Phenom II build. My BIOSTAR still kicking after 5 years though, I trust them more than MSI at this point.

ASRock seems to be the go to for AM4, but they are out of stock everywhere.

My dream board would be a B350 with no onboard audio, no onboard video outs, and no ps2

>>59647465
then stop being a fucking intel cuck, retard

>>59647478
Oh, don't worry. If the Ryzen 5s turn out good reviews I'll swap this build out real quick. Just waiting now.

>>59647474
>My dream board would be a B350 with no onboard audio, no onboard video outs, and no ps2
thats fucking retarded because you can disable all that or just dont use it.

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>>59647304
>>59647332
>>59647385
thx for the feedback

>>59647510
Again, that's shit you should put in your original post.

>>59647512
true

>>59647474

The ASUS B350's are fine. Haven't heard a bad thing about them.

>>59647531
kek you're probably right

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any red flags with this board? besides terrible chink asthetics?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138446

>>59647577

Haven't seen any negative posts about them. Probably fine.

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>>59647577
>racing flag

>>59645007
>1250w psu
Well, running an over clocked 8350 with 3 290x takes a bit of power. That's what I had going when I got that psu, literally no reason to sell a perfectly fine working psu under warranty

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I can't believe I'm bothering to put in all this effort, but here you go.

>I'm a fucking retard and considering an i3/i5 because I don't think a G4560 is good enough
>or I'm more retarded and think I can get nearly the performance in gaymes and general PC use from a 6700k as a 7700 non-k by overclocking it (protip: I can't)
>$1345
No, you have no fucking clue what you're doing.
Get a 7700-nonk. It's a bit lower clocked, but its 8 threads at 3.6-4.2ghz is better than a 7600k at 4.9Ghz on average without costing you lots of on electricity. It's locked, but you weren't even going to overclock it anyway.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Cy9yRG

Compare that to people listing $1450 for a fucking 7600k with a 1080. $100 cheaper, way better memory, better SSD, better everything.

>I want like that above, but I think moar coars will pay off better with future games, overclockable, and the extra upgradability that comes with AM4 socket support
Same thing, but swap out the 7700 for a 1600 or 1600X that are coming April 11th and a B350 motherboard. If 1600X, add a cooler.
Should be ~$50 cheaper. Better in some games, worse in others. Much better multitask.

>I want the absolute cheapest that's still good, and has a good upgrade path to upgrade incrementally later.
>1080p 60fps in 95% of games
>$590. $490 if you replace the 525GB SSD with a 1TB HDD
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mTN2f8

>I want the cheapest that handles 1440p 60fps minimum well, or that will continue to do 60fps minimum in most games and more current games than the G4560 does
Take the G4560 system and replace the CPU with a 1400 or 1500X that are coming April 11th and a B350 motherboard.
Replace GPU with an R9 Fury ($235) /1070 ($310-$370).

>i'm poor as fuck, but instead of getting an extra job I want to play video games all day
>$300
Refurbished A12-9800 non-pro for <$350. That'll play most games at 40-60fps+ at 1080p, medium-high settings in 95% of games.

>I still want an i3 or i5
I recommend poison

>>59647254
Good. Nice to see someone else actually knows about that SSD.

>>59647304
>pretty good but you can get 500GB m.2 for $180 from intel.
l m a o?

That SSD is over twice as fast. The Intel p600 is fucking slower than a SATA 850 EVO. It's even slower than an MX300.

>>59647687
or just get a Ryzen 5 for half the price and 90% of the same performance of a 7700.

>>59647699
>The Intel p600 is fucking slower than a SATA 850 EVO
oh fug me, my bad.

>>59647699
Someone else, how come you aren't get a 960?

>>59647237
Looks good but I'd get a 480GB+ SSD from the savings of a cheaper 1070 or an R9 Fury.

You'll have that SSD much longer than you'll have the GPU, especially if Vega/Volta/Navi impress.

Otherwise, that's roughly ideal looking.

>>59644574
ur mad

>>59647254
>>59647724
>400 for 250gb of good storage and 1tb of shit storage

vs.

1tb of good storage for $325 (samsung 850)

???
Why 2 ssds?

>>59640946
I'm pretty sure that was removed during moot's tenure

Is it a no brainier to go for the AM4 platform purely for longevity? I'm not some leet gamer who needs to upgrade every 12 months. Will AM4 be a good choice to stay on for 5 years or so?

>>59647254
Much better than the >haven't built a pc in 7 years
guy

>>59647717
>or just get a Ryzen 5 for half the price and 90% of the same performance of a 7700.
But... I said that. See?:
>Same thing, but swap out the 7700 for a 1600 or 1600X that are coming April 11th and a B350 motherboard. If 1600X, add a cooler.
>Should be ~$50 cheaper. Better in some games, worse in others. Much better multitask.
>better in some games, worse in others
Granted, mostly worse at the time being. But in games like Mafia III, way way better considering this is comparing to the 7700 non-k which is in between the 7600k and 7700k in real performance.

I would go with the 1600X, yes, but some people won't consider it and do these shit 7600k builds that they aren't going to overclock when they should at least be looking at the 7700 instead. Even if they did overclock, the 7600k is still, on average, worse than the 7700.

>>59647724
960 is ~20% more expensive for a benefit you won't usually see much.

I think the MyDigitalSSD BPX is generally ideal.

It's directly between the price of a SATA SSD and 960 Evo, but like 70-80% of the performance delta between them instead of only 50%. That makes it good value.

Most people hardly even see the performance difference between SATA and NVMe to begin with, so why pay 50% more for a 960 Evo instead of just 25% more? At least you're not getting an M.2 SATA one that's SLOWER like the p600 or WD Black.

http://www.gigabyte.us/Motherboard/GA-AB350-Gaming-rev-10#sp

or

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-B350-PLUS/specifications/

>>59647820
>Why 2 ssds?

I'm not the system builder above but I have two SSD in raid 0 for them megabytes per second

>>59645242
can someone explain to me whats wrong with the 7600k. If I only have a 1080p monitor and mainly plan to game in 1080p, how is it not a smart option?

>>59647820
my preference is to have the os on it's own drive

>>59647859

Yes. AM4 and the X370/B350 chipsets are going to be in use through 2020.

>>59647877

Gigabyte boards are having issues with Linux. ASUS does not.

>>59647933
Good. I'm not being an idiot. Thanks friendo.

>>59647902

Because Ryzen 5 is cheaper and better. Even for gaming.

>>59647859
>Is it a no brainier to go for the AM4 platform purely for longevity?
Yes.

LGA1151 appears to be EoL. Intel sockets rarely last more than 2 generations.
Or, at the very least, the chipset is EoL. I highly, highly doubt a BIOS flash on Z270 will make them compatible with Coffeelake 6cores even if they are the same socket.

>>59647877
I hear good things about the Prime B350, but it's still an ASUS.
Why not go for the B350 Tomahawk?

>>59647902
>can someone explain to me whats wrong with the 7600k.
It's expensive as fuck for only 4 threads.

You're talking $240+$110+$30. That's $380 for cpu+mobo+cooler.
It's generally only like 20-30% better than the G4560 stock, 40-50% better with a 4.9Ghz overclock.
But the G4560 is only $60+$68 = $128.
You're paying THREE TIMES as much more for 50% more performance in gaymes.
And with only 4 threads, its multitasking and workstation performance is dogshit, too.

Meanwhile, you have the 1500X which is $190+$80 = $270.
It's right smack dab between the cost of the g4560 and 7600k builds, yet a 4Ghz 1500X is faster than a 4.9Ghz 7600k in half of games, or stock for stock, and blows it the fuck out in multitasking and workstation performance with having double the threads.

The 7600k is embarrassingly bad and overpriced. ALL of the i3s and i5s are.

People only ever bought them before because they didn't think the G4560 was quite good enough, and 7700k was quite expensive, and they were too stupid to consider the $80 cheaper 7700 non-k and a cheaper mobo. It was an artificial market that Intel created.

>>59647911
I guess that makes sense though myself don't understand.

my current pc is power surging non-stop, i have confirmed that it's my power supply and i've decided to just buy a new, compact PC that i can have on my desk as my current one is a bit big. i will be using it for light gaming web browsing but that's it. (light gaming means mostly source games, occasionally things like witcher 3 & gta v)
attached is what im planning on buying, next to my current system. does anyone recommend any changes before i buy? (trying to spend as little money as possible)

>>59647946
Linux isn't a concern for me

>>59647987
>I hear good things about the Prime B350, but it's still an ASUS.
>Why not go for the B350 Tomahawk?
I don't trust MSI either and it isn't in stock anyways.


I like that the gigabyte has dual bios, since there will likely be several updates in the future, and that's always a good way to brick a board

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>>59648008
forgot image. i have a spare 4gb of ram that im going to use in the new system, and im also going to take my ssd from this computer and use it in the new system.

>>59648024
Dual BIOS on a B350 is a great feature that you don't see often. I'd go with Gigabyte just for that.

>>59648030
Make sure it can flash on that Mobo.
And shouldn't you be getting an SFX PSU in that case?
$219 even in Canadian or Australia or whatever that is seems like a lot for a 1050Ti. But other than the PSU, looks good.

>>59648030

>1050Ti

Get an RX 470.
With spare money move to a Ryzen 5 1500/1400

>>59648030
Oh you were just showing what you have. Idk not a troubleshooting thread.

>>59647987
>>59647987
1500x = $200 and I can get a 7600k for $200 from microcenter, they're the same price and I haven't come across any proof that the 1500x is out performing it in gaming.

This may be a stupid question but in what areas would I benefit in having double the threads?

>>59648100
No, it's $190 and:
7600k cooler = $30+
z270 mobo = $30+ more expensive.

That's $70 more for something that also costs you more still in electricity and is
W O R S E
O
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It's been explained clearly to you by multiple posters, but apparently you're just too stupid to do simple math and compare clear benchmarks, so just have fun wasting money.

>>59648065
shit i didnt even realise about the psu thing. thanks man, ive changed it accordingly. yeah its australian, tech prices aren't very pretty ha

>>59648075
i would but more power isnt necessary considering what i plan on doing with this pc. i already own an imac (yes i know apple shit) for any form of video editing / music production so it's literally just going to be a console replacement of sorts

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>>59640577
My intel build

Dan A4 Sfx $350
i7-7700K $475.00
Noctua i9 $45
ASUS ROG Strix Z270I $289.00
G.Skill 4266 trident 16GB $359.00
960 EVO 250GB M.2 SSD $189.00
Corsair SF450 $124
Samsung CFG70 Quantum Dot 24" $480
= 2300 AUD + $700 When Vega rolls around much cheaper and future proof than this cucks pricelist

>>59648100

My i5 was a bottleneck on all kinds of games.And even when it wasn't bottlenecking the game itself I couldn't do anything else for instance while waiting for my matchmaking as it would slow my system to a crawl.

Now I have a 1700 and all my woes are gone.

>>59648142
I'll just take your word for it and wait for the 1500x

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Bought my motherboard and memory today, waiting for the R5 1600 though. Upgrading from an FX 8370.

Board: MSI X370 SLI Plus
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200MHz DDR4
Graphics: GTX 980 SLI

>>59648166

Then you should still get an RX 470

>>59648190
If you're purely gaming go i7 7700k

If you do literally anything else you can save money by going Ryzen 7 1700 with a B350 motherboard. Also don't waste so much on RAM. You can get cheaper RAM than that.

You can get a Biostar X370GTN mITX board or another brand mITX B350 board of your choosing.

>>59648232

Not sure if that RAM runs well with MSI boards. I know the 16GB 3200Mhz LPX runs well with ASUS boards though.

>>59648166
The 1400 would likely use less power than the G4560 despite being more powerful.

Ryzen is crazy energy efficient.

Seems like a better build path IMO since you could get the, likely coming, RX Vega Nano to fit in that case and have a high end gaming machine with no drawback sometime down the road whereas the G4560 would much more heavily bottleneck that.

An RX470 is plenty for

>>59648230
seriously go look at benchmarks that AREN'T gpu bottlenecked between the 7700k and 7600k.
In most cases, the 7700k gives at least 25% higher frame rates. In others, 50% higher 0.1% minimums.

As much as people say the 7700k is overpriced, it's not compared to the much more overpriced 7600k. You're going from $380 mobo+cooler+psu to $480 mobo+cooler+psu to get 50% higher minimum frame rates in many newer games.

4 threads causes a fucking stutterfest on so many newer games.

Despite the 1500X having lower clocks and lower IPC, having double the threads makes it outperform the 7600k, especially in minimum framerates, on the majority of games released the past 4 years.

All i3s and i5s are complete shit. The only Intel CPU anyone should consider anymore is the G4560/6700k/7700/7700k. And even then, they aren't great considerations.

>>59648190
If you want to save money, just get a 7700 non-k. You're not overclocking in a Dan A4, are you...?
It's cheaper.
Cooler included
Good B250 motherboard is way cheaper than a Z270.

I'd put those savings into a 480GB+ NVMe instead of just having 250. That way you can include quite a few applications that you commonly use, and plus the lifetime on NVMe SSDs are 3-10 times longer than most SATA ones.

>>59648298
the b350 seems to have tons of problems based on amazon reviews, thoughts?

>>59648379

Depends on brand really. ASUS has bad X370 boards but good B350 boards. Gigabyte has good X370 but bad B350 boards. MSI has okay X370 boards and okay B350 boards. Asrock seems fine for both too.

>>59648424
whats with the b350 hype here though? is it the only ryzen compatible board or something? need to know because im centering my build around a ryzen cpu rn

>>59648436

B350 boards are a lot cheaper than X370 boards and the only feature you lose is SLI or having more than 2 NVMe drives. Both of those are fringe cases meaning almost all users can get a B350 board without losing anything.

>>59640577
Looking for a budget build. 60fps at 1080p is nice and I'm okay with dropping to med-high when needed to keep my frames from dropping. Also okay with drops to the 50s.

Definitely going to upgrade later just want to be able to play for the next year.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bCnjKZ
Any tips to save a bit of cash?

>>59648379
i've been scouring reviews on amazon and newegg, it seems they are all kind of hit and miss. I don't expect any board to run RAM at 3200 reliably at this point.

I always take DOA reviews with a grain of salt, people are pretty retarded in general. I think any board is kind of a gamble, but I am leaning toward gigabyte ab350 for the dual bios now, a lot of people bricking boards with bios updates, which will probably be coming for a while with Ryzen.

Although the ASUS Prime B350 I can get next day with amazon prime is tempting, single BIOS and reports that a lot of the board is unsupported on the motherboard tray is kind of a turn off.

On the other hand, ASUS released a bios update on 3/23, Gigabyte's last update was late Feb...

I am tempted to wait at this point.

>>59648515
are the b350s having alot of bios issues? i dont want to have to flash update it seeing as how i have no fucking clue how to.

>>59648512
Why spend $270 for a 1060 when you can get a RX480 that's just as good as the 1060 for $185?

I'd also go for MX300 SSD.

Looks good, other than those 2 things. That'd save you like $75 while getting you a better SSD.

>>59648512
Also if you want to save money, look at the case in >>59647687
Your RAM and PSU choices are fine, though.

For a cheap ass case, it's pretty decent, and has enough room to fit a 1080Ti in it.

>>59648557
you'll have to BIOS update at some point but the B350's have less BIOS updates and generally only release when they're stable as they're second cycle.

>>59648330

It is listed as supported but I'm expecting to not be able to hit the target memory speed, atleast not until there's more updates. I'll be happy if I can hit 2666 MHz in the shorter term.

>>59648557
all AM4 boards are getting BIOS updates, it's brand new tech, and kinks are still being worked out. Plan to have to flash BIOS if you want to run RAM at 3200mhz or higher. if not, you might just save some cash on slower memory, but Ryzen seems to have more potential unlocked through BIOS updates, and running faster memory.

>>59648631
will the computer be able to run at all with 3000mhz ram and i will be able to update later on or will i only be able to turn on the pc with flashed bios updates. also when should i expect the b350s to come with the updates preinstalled?

>>59648576
Thanks. I plan in the future to go Ryzen and AMD+AMD doesn't make me feel comfortable.

Thanks for the SSD recommendation. It's about the same price, but what's the difference between the two?

>>59648597
>case
I'll look into it, but I don't want noise.

>>59648671
It will run, just at a lower RAM speed, no clue on when you'd expect boards to ship with updates

Why is Australia getting hardly any AM4 mobos compared to other regions? Is pcpartpicker just slow or is it a supply chain thing?

>>59648685

>AMD + AMD doesn't make me feel comfortable

Are you retarded?

>>59648728
No. AMD historically has a bad track record.

>>59648685
$270 for a 1060 is still fucking absurd.

You can find 1070s for not much more than that. I've seen them as low as $310.
Or just go with a 1050Ti.

I don't think the 1060 is recommendable at all. RX480s go on sale for crazy good prices too often, and the 1060 costs too much.

You can look into things like Ebates and Groupon for newegg gift cards to save money.

And if you want Ryzen, why not wait? Ryzen 5 is in 11 days. Ryzen 3 in a few months.

But yeah, the feeling weird about AMD+AMD is... weird. There's a few utilities that let you manage both the CPU and GPU From the same app which are nice.

Also AMD's utilities use like 0.5-10.5mb of memory in the background compared to 100mb+ Nvidia's shit running in the background.
And Nvidia's multithreaded drivers are currently not assigning threads correctly on Ryzen, which hurts performance. But hopefully they'll fix that soon.

>>59648722
it's everywhere. Newegg only has BIOSTAR. Amazon only has a handful, there are not a lot of boards in stock anywhere, unless you want to pay premium at a brick and mortar

>>59648755
AMD's drivers have been better than Nvidia's for at least a year now.

Nvidia's keep getting worse while AMD's get better and better.

>>59648755

>AMD historically has a bad track record

??????? in what

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Which parts for a computer would be wise to buy brand new and which would be fine used?

>>59648774
I actually found brick and mortar prices to match the online prices, which was surprising since usually I have to take advantage of price matching to do that.

I live in Canada though.

>>59648769
>$270 for a 1060 is still fucking absurd.
I agree.

>You can find 1070s for not much more than that.
I was thinking about that but I don't think it will be needed.

I been thinking about it, I will go with the rx480 because by the time I'm willing to upgrade I can keep the Ryzen and go with a 1070 or better, anyway. Thanks Anon.

>wait
Ryzen will be more expensive. I am upgrading when I have more money.

>>59648780
Okay.

>>59648792

CPU's are okay if you don't plan to OC
that's about it.

>>59640577
Ryzen 5 isn't doing shit for Ryzen's IPC compared to Skylake.

>b-but muh cores m-muh threads

You're always waiting for a future that will never arrive in the life-span of this CPU

>>59648835
Yeah, completely outperforming the Skylake i5s at a cheaper price is nothing, huh?

>>59648855

What are you smoking Broadwell i5s are beating Ryzen 7 at gaming.

>>59648869
The Ryzen 7s compete with the i7s dumb ass.

There's no benchmarks yet for the Ryzen 5s, but based just on their specs, they should be better.

>>59648896
You do realize the 7600k and Broadwell i5 in some cases beats the R7. Also less cores/thread != higher IPC in all cases.

Ryzen 1400 and 1600 have appeared on Ebay, but for $10 higher prices, for those that can't wait.

>>59648808
>Ryzen will be more expensive. I am upgrading when I have more money.
You could get a 4c/8t Ryzen which is better than the 7600k in half of games for that build cost. You just need to get a GPU that's under $185 and/or find some sales.

That makes way more sense than throwing out a motherboard that costs about the same as the AM4 one you could have gotten.

That way you have a CPU that'll be good for years and years while the G4560 can't handle 60fps minimum in a number of games today, especially newer ones. Upgrading the GPU is so much easier and gives such bigger benefits each year than CPU upgrades.

Your budget, I'm guessing $700-$800, is perfectly adequate for a good 1400 or 1500X system. You just need a cheaper GPU and to find sales.

Like there was I think 16GB of DDR 3200 Patriot memory for $90 on Amazon yesterday. That's $30 saved right there.
That's gone but there's this for $100 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820231926

EVGA PSU 450W $20 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-438-082&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=GD032917&cm_mmc=EMC-GD032917-_-index-_-Item-_-17-438-082

RX480 $150 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137082

There you go. That's $170 saved. You can buy a 1400 or 1500X now.

>>59648869
The 8 thread ones, sure. The 4 thread Broadwells, Skylakes, delidlakes, etc, only are outperforming in rare cherry picked shill faggot cases.
>>59648896
>There's no benchmarks yet for the Ryzen 5s
Yes there are. All you have to do is disable cores in BIOS. It's the same chip just like the 7600k is a 7700k with hyperthreading disabled and clocked slightly lower stock.

>>59648959

>in some cases

And in modern titles it does not.

If we look at titles only made in the past yearish Ryzen CPU's beat i5's way more than they don't.

Older games won't matter anyway as they run at 500fps

>>59648959
>has to use old games to make a point
Fuck off. New games bud.

>>59648965
http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2822-amd-ryzen-r7-1800x-review-premiere-blender-fps-benchmarks/page-7

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-review,4987-4.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-review,4987-5.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-review,4987-6.html

great b8 m8

>>59648965
Alright you convinced me. I'll wait for the Ryzens then build again.

>>59648987

http://media.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2017/CPUs/1800x/ryzen-r7-1800x-bench-bf1.png

>not new

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>>59649032
>Gamersnexus

>>59649032
>1 game
>gamersnexus
Let me guess. 2400 ram in that shit?

>>59649048
>most in-depth review

>not credible

fucking 4chan never change

>>59649063

>most in depth
hi you're wrong

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-03/amd-ryzen-1800x-1700x-1700-test/

>>59649058
http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2822-amd-ryzen-r7-1800x-review-premiere-blender-fps-benchmarks/page-2

ddr4-2933

here's a challenge: build me a $850 gaming pc (monitor included) with a gtx 1070 as the gpu.

>>59649063


>Asus mobo
>2400 ram
>No Windows patch

Trash

>>59648965
>>59648808
Found the $90 memory, but "ships in 1-2 months..." apparently? https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B016A29PWA/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all
So the $100 kit would be better.

>>59649014
>tom's shillware
>obviously GPU bottlenecked since the framerates are so low across the board.
Why are shills always so fucking stupid?
Tons of other benchmarks with proper methodoly using 1080Tis show huge gains of a simulated 1500X over the 7600k across most games.

I'm not even sure how to recommend you kill yourself. >>59640577

>>59649027
Don't wait to buy everything for when Ryzen 5 comes out. Buy the other components as you see good sales so you can keep it around that $700 or less you were looking for.

The way to make a PC cheaper is to get parts bit by bit as they're on sale, as you'll pretty much never find every optimal component on sale at the same day.
You easily save a good 20% overall there.
Add in ebates+groupon for another 20%.

>>59649107
read the thread, faggot. I already posted such an example if you just swap out the RX480 for a 1070 and add a monitor.

>>59649107

How about you do it yourself you lazy fuck?

We're not here to build for you, we're here to help you with the build you made.

>>59649078
>59649078
>overclocks ryzen chip

>doesn't overclock intel chip

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t9ZRhq
look good? (im going to put an ssd on it dont worry guys)

>>59649134
>Don't wait to buy everything for when Ryzen 5 comes out.
Yeah I know what you mean. I meant waiting on things like mobo and the Ryzen itself obviously. I'm looking out on RAM sales big time and any drops in GPUs.

>>59649134
I can't tell who the shill is here. Any hardware website that doesn't show Ryzen beating Intel is a shill? The fucking logic I can't find any.

I'm not saying Ryzen is an objectively inferior product it's just not something you want if you are primarily gaming. If you are doing heavy virtualization or video editing (etc) by all means by Ryzen. You can get a $300 CPU that shits all over the 6900k in CPU intensive workloads (price/perf).

>>59649177

i5's choke up on all kinds of shit with the 4 threads these days. My i5 wasn't able to handle a game + something in the background. With 770k if literally all you do is gaming the 7700k is better. If not then Ryzen 7 is better.

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>NFW I have a i7 4770K and still don't feel the need to 'upgrade'.

>>59649177
>>59649229
Yeah and games are only going to continue moving away from singlethreaded performance so that i7 will not continue to give you the best results.

>>59649177
You're a fucking moron if you can't see that half the games in that Tom's Hardware test were GPU limited and showed absolutely fucking nothing, and you think I'm the shill for pointing out objective facts.

>I'm not saying Ryzen is an objectively inferior product it's just not something you want if you are primarily gaming.
And a 7600k is? Because it still outperforms the 7600k on average, by far. As will the 1500X, simulated tests show.

>>59649239
Yeah, there's no reason to upgrade if you have 8 threads already. 4770k and 4790k were especially good.

>>59649244
7700 will give good results for a long time. It's still got 8 threads. It's the i3s and i5s that are choking on dick now days and making stutterfests.

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>tfw just want to play games in 1080p @60fps and end up in a fanboy war

>>59644738
>unironically using XMP
>incapable of setting values yourself
>doesn't know that two systems with the same hardware can have different stable settings
>probably thinks 24hr stress tests are a waste of time
>his hardware "spontaneously" dies every 2-3 years
wew lad

>>59649255
Can't tell who's the moron here. In two years when your shitty 1080 can't 1440p144hz ultra anymore you will upgrade your GPU. Now a CPU bottleneck is introduced. Your GPU usage dips and CPU usage rises. That's why those benchmarks aren't fully using the GPU

>>59649297
RX 480 + i5/R5 (wait for benchmarks)

done

>>59646472
>overclocking
>longevity
>cheap
p i c k t w o

>>59649297
read the thread. There's builds listed for cheap 1080p 60fps for 95% of games.

>>59649297
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RHP9Ps

Add a Ryzen 1400 there when it comes out. Use a different case if noise isn't an issue.

>>59649348
You can't tell because you're an idiot that doesn't even know what "GPU bottleneck" means.

>>59649363
Benchmarks are essentially already out (simulated, since they're the same chip as the 8 cores). R5 is clearly superior to any i5 both for the money and as an absolute.

>>59649376

Retarded post. Longevity has nothing to do with chipsets.

>>59649420
GPU bottleneck != crippling bottleneck to the point where your frames are dropping by 10-30 fps

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how'd i do?

>would have gotten the over the k7 if they were set to be in stock anywhere this month
>1080ti and psu (aware it's overkill) were a bundle and has no tax so I don't mind the 850w
>i already have an nvme
>pls don't hate on my meme glass

>>59649459
>>59649348
Wow not him but you're retarded.

A GPU bottleneck means the GPU is holding the results back. That's the opposite of "benchmarks aren't fully using the GPU". What you said is literally the opposite of what happened.

God you're dumb.

>>59649429
no but it has everything to do if not with the CPU then the VRM, and all those boards have garbage vrms, even some x370 boards i would never recommend for long term oc.

>>59649471
When spending that much money, why not get a higher quality fanless PSU or something?

>>59649527
only way i could get a 1080ti was with that bundle. haven't found any others in stock at retail. im sure the fan wont come on much in eco mode considering im barely using it.

>>59649544
Wait what? I can get a 1080Ti off BHVideo for $699 right now. $720 from fry's.

People keep saying they can only get them with that PSU, and I don't understand.

>>59649491

The cut off for Ryzen OC's isn't at a very high voltage so most decent power deliveries are fine for long term OC's.

You can find well cooled well planned power deliveries on B350 boards while still saving money on useless features generally added to X370 boards, and the more expensive cost of the X370 itself.

>>59649578
try adding to cart on BH. I bought the bundle from there, and there was no option to do so without buying it that way. frys has it for 780 after tax, paid 819 for the bundle.

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This is my current PC build, I've had it for awhile now (3 years or so)

I feel like it's time to upgrade. Been thinking of putting in a new GPU (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01JHQSZ40). Money is tight so I don't have a lot to spend for a whole new build. I use this rig for gaming. Any suggestions are welcome.

>>59649649
rx 480

>>59649579
I have yet to see a B350 review where the vrm didn't pass 100c at high OC, and it's not that the modules can't take it, it's usually the mobo manufacturer cheaping out on contacts. FX platform has this same issue.

>>59649649
You can find RX480s for $150 or less. Good enough for 1080p 60fps maxed out on the vast majority of games.

>>59649692
It's like $7 for a pack of heat sinks with thermal tape, for fucks sake.

>>59649649
Wait for Vega to drop and collapse prices.

>>59640577
Where do you get windows 10 enterprise LTSB again?

>>59649713
>wait until next year

>>59649713
I doubt Vega coming is going to make the RX480s much cheaper than $150. So may as well buy now if that's what someone wants and they find a good sale.

It might drop 1070, 1080, 1080Ti prices, but that's it.

>>59649705
i don't think that'll help much when temps.are already that high.
it's not the the vrm that's the issue, it's the temp of the vrm on the board, and the quality of the contact points that worry me.

>>59649723
the fuck are you talking about. Vega is coming this quarter.

Why do fucking morons like you even post?

>>59649727
Vega 11 is the new mainstream brub.

>>59649737
Vega 11 is just Polaris Pt. 2 lol.

>>59649692

For 3 dollars I got some 15x15mm heatsinks for my VRM's and I'm now hunting 1.4v through my B350 board with the mosfets not even reaching 75ºC. You shouldn't go much higher than that anyhow if you wanna spare your CPU.

I'd give you before measurements but I built everything with the heatsinks in place.

>>59649759
what board are you on?

>>59649751

>Polaris Pt. 2

All Vega silicon has HBM what are you talking about?

>>59649751
Nah it's a separate core, we already know the Polaris 10 refresh is called Polaris 20

Too large a gap between 1340mhz 2304 shader and 1500mhz+ 4096 shader for a simple cut down to suffice.

>>59649772
sorry, let me rephrase that then:
Polaris ft. HBM
that better?

>>59649767

ASUS PRIME B350M-A. Got some heatsinks because the mATX PRIME board doesn't come with a VRM heatsink.

>>59649772
Speculation has Vega 11 with GDDR5X. It wouldn't have the memory capacity if they cut the bus size any further down from Vega 10.

>>59649739
Uh what the fuck are you talking about? Where the fuck do you even get this misinformation from? Is it just shit your retarded brain makes up on your own, or are you actually hearing about this from some other retard and regurgitating it?

RX Vega are high end. The cheapest one won't possibly be under $300.
The "mainstream" is the RX500 series which is a Polaris refresh with higher clocks and possibly on the LPP process.

>>59649773
1526mhz or whatever is for the server card. Consumer cards will likely be higher clocks (or possibly lower in the case of the RX Vega Nano)

>>59649800
No one is speculating that except you. Kill yourself, so it can really be no one.

I'm thinking of building my first PC and I'm doing it using parts under 50 dollars each. Is it possible that it won't turn out like shit?

>>59649813
You're an angry person and I don't like you.

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>>59649813
>No one is speculating that except you. Kill yourself, so it can really be no one.

>>59649813
Vega 11 will be under $300 to undercut the 1070 matey

Gonna save this post for when it turns out it doesn't have HBM.

>>59649896
Anything in the $300 range would still be undercutting it considering the a Vega clocked to 1200mhz would still outperform the 1070 heavily. It'd be around or a bit below 1080 performance at those clocks, far above the 1070.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a 4GB HBM2 card at that price range, but it will likely have half the memory bandwidth as the 8GB models (still more than the 1070). I don't get why you think the alternative is to have GDDR5X instead of just less HBM when 4GB of HBM is equal to 6-8GB of GDDR5X

There's 11 SKUs. There's no way 10 of those models are just for servers and there's just one consumer card. Likely 5-6 of them are.

HBM2 is expensive, but it's not like GDDR5X is cheap, either. Even DDR4 is ~$4 per 4GB chip.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/K6JpJV

Thoughts?

>>59649998
I think you should read the fucking thread and see the same shit that comes up every thread
>>59647687

>>59649998
>Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor
Read the OP.

>>59650016
The OP recommends i3s and i5s still.
Whoever makes the next thread needs to fix that.

https://jet.com/product/Fractal-Design-Define-S-Silent-Computer-Case/da9b28e293ce47f49aa12ca29d7c72f3

R5 is available for 70 dollars final. (new accounts 15% off, free shipping).

>>59649998
>https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/K6JpJV

Get a Ryzen 7 1700 and a B350 board.

Or wait 11 days for Ryzen 5 1600(x) plus a B350 board.

>>59650060
Or get a 7700 non-k. You can find them for as cheap as $260 and they allow for cheaper motherboards and come with a CPU cooler.

But absolutely don't get a 7600k. 4 threads has been garbage for years and I can't believe how little of /g/ actually understands that. It's not like this is a sudden new revelation for anyone that's seen benchmarks that aren't GPU bottlenecked and how much of a benefit SMT gives lately.

>>59650077
Too many tourists from /v/ that don't lurk.

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r8 this build

will also be my first meme watercooled build

How is the PNY 1070? $340 is tempting.

>>59650104
also pls don't bully for the rgb ram and getting the HP ultrameme instead of the AOC with the same panel

>>59650104

Save a 100 dollars and get a basic X370 board or B350 board.

Make sure your RAM is compatible too.

>>59650104
>Asusa

>>59650133
Doesn't seem like there's much price difference between different X370's (which I'll get) - I'd built with asus and was happy with them. What else is as good? Asrock?

>>59650147

Asrock is good. Why do you need an X370 though? Only reason to get it is if you're doing SLI/crossfire.

>>59650090
Even /v/ should know, is the stupider thing.

It's not just multitasking, rendering, workstation tasks, and so on that the 7600k or any i3/i5 is overpriced trash in. They suck in gaming, too.
They are fine for 60fps, sure. Maybe 90 in some games. But for a 100-144hz monitor they can't maintain good minimums in most games and are stutterfests.

In most games the past 4 years, the 7700k is like a 35% average increase in minimum frame rates. That's huge. That's a lot bigger than the difference from a 2c/4t 7350k compared to the 7600k. And the 7350K is hardly that much better than the $60 G4560.
They're garbage. Complete garbage.
The 7700k is pricey, but it at least somewhat justifies it. None of the i3s or i5s do and haven't since Broadwell (and even back then there were hints that paying so much for 4 threads was a bad idea for the upcoming years).

>>59650104
Are you sure that memory will actually run at that speed? You basically need single rake Samsung B dies to hit 3200 or higher, iirc.

Otherwise, looks like a good build except why not the Taichi? People seem to be regarding them extremely highly, AND they're only $185. While the Crosshair seems to be nothing but problems.
ASRock is fantastic.

Though...
...are you sure you want a full tower? I have one and I won't again. Might even get a SFX PSU case for my next build. There are much smaller cases that still fit a full ATX motherboard and a 11"+ GPU.
...If you're going to spend $1300 on a monitor, why not wait for HDR10? That's just so much money for EoL technology.
And imo 2560x1600 16:10 is so much better than ultrawide.

>>59650159
I might need more pci-e lanes if I need to add shit from my workstation

Asrock seems a bit more gaudy but eh, the mobo will be covered by tubes and whatnot

Hi /g/, im looking for some advice.

My budget is very limited.

>Which motherboard and why ( for i7 7700)
* Gigabyte Gaming B8
* Gigabyte Ga-H270M D3H

Needs to be gigabyte because in my country (Argentina) is the only brand who has warranty, and is damn good.

Daily reminder to buy HDDs from Craiglists for half the price you would get online + no tax.

>>59650213
>7700
>Gigabyte
>Argentina

NOOOOOOOO BOBITO AJKSJAKSJKASJKAJSKAJSKJASJAKJSKJAS

>>59650186
>Are you sure that memory will actually run at that speed? You basically need single rake Samsung B dies to hit 3200 or higher, iirc.
I assumed they would simply because they were rated that. Had high clocked G.Skill sticks before, they were good

>Otherwise, looks like a good build except why not the Taichi? People seem to be regarding them extremely highly, AND they're only $185. While the Crosshair seems to be nothing but problems.
Alright, switched to Asrock. Was happy with my previous ASUS mobo except for the fact that it wouldn't let me run fans below 60%

>...are you sure you want a full tower? I have one and I won't again.
Space for watercooling shit + Will likely add more drives in the future. I'd actually like to have a separate server for data storage but I live in a smallish flat

>...If you're going to spend $1300 on a monitor, why not wait for HDR10? That's just so much money for EoL technology.
I waited a whole year for OLED and Dell canned its plans, that seems like the best on I can get now. I'd like to try GSYNC as well. The AOC monitor has the same panel and is significantly cheaper, but my wife won't like the gaymer aesthetic while the HP is understated and looks okay.

>And imo 2560x1600 16:10 is so much better than ultrawide.
I had a 30" for a long time, 16:10 and I loved it, then I switched to a 27" 16:9 when I moved and had to sell the previous monitor. It wasn't as nice but it didn't bother me that much, the price difference between 16:9 and 16:10 doesn't seem worth it to me.

I'm going ultrawide because I can't do 3 monitors in my small-ish desk and I'd like a larger workspace. And it seemed cool.