/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™

Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", ultraportable
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap.
>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet.
>Great durability: chassis uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels.
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing in the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.

2nd for T60/T61 Frankenpad.
The closest thing you can get to a real ThinkPad that's still usable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m74otZqd2Y

daily reminder that Windows 10 runs smoothly on the x220.

>>59625738

Recommended models:
T430 with a xx20 keyboard mod - 14", normal size
X230 with a xx20 keyboard mod - 12.5", ultraportable

>ftfy

>>59625606
overwatch can do 60 fps on the internal screen at medium quality. 60 fps on an external screen at high quality.

you're right that there's only one pcie lane being used, at gen2 speeds for these non-thunderbolt egpu setups. higher resolution and fancy effects seems to bite into performance a lot, texture quality not so much, especially if the textures are preloaded and sit in the card's RAM (level based games) rather than streamed (open world). routing the video output back to the laptop screen via optimus will also steal performance vs an external screen

>>59625828
What kind of drivers you install? Lenovo site is a mess, you have drivers labeled as Windows 10 yet when selecting OS there is no Win 10 filter.
Also some utilities from what I've seen are now "universal" and downloaded from other place.
Also, charging thresholds?

>>59625894
Lenovo solution center downloaded all the correct drivers

>it just werks

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>>59625863
>ftfy
time to go back

>>59625894
>Also, charging thresholds?

windows10 takes care of that lmao

any good non-intel me laptop that doesnt sucks in modern era?

>>59625828
'smooth' is relative :^)

My X270 arrived last Friday and since then I've been getting a BSOD / system crash ("critical process died") approximately once every day for no discernible reason.

- I ran the Windows memory testing tool and no problems were found;
- I ran chkdsk and no problems were found;
- I ran sfc /scannow to verify Windows system files and no problems were found;
- Doing a system restore doesn't help;
- I would examine the BSOD memory dumps but it never successfully writes any (the % is just stuck at 0 eternally);
- I haven't tried other OSes because I have to work and haven't had time to set up Ubuntu to my liking; I suspect it wouldn't help.

So I contacted Lenovo support since I have a warranty and they said they'd send someone out to replace my motherboard, which I hope fixes this problem.

Has anyone here had similar experiences?

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>>59625863
>Recommended models:
>T430 with a xx20 keyboard mod - 14", normal size
>X230 with a xx20 keyboard mod - 12.5", ultraportable
>ftfy

Best thinkpad for uni?

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Daily reminder that this happened.

>>59628974
X220

>>59627882
>Not x220

>>59628974
T420

>>59629073
t420s

>>59629730
I used an X220 from the time they came out up until last week. The battery life on the X270 is really, really nice, and so is having USB 3.0 and USB-C.

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>>59625863
>>59628681
>not using the objectively better T430 keyboard

>>59625926
system update

>>59631271
>suffering from stockholm syndrome

Is there a way to remove libreboot and get a normal boot screen? I'm getting sick and tired of libreboot.

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>>59631271
can't tell if troll or literally retarded

>>59631463
get BIOS update from lenovo website

Has anyone here run into keyboard connector problems on the T420? I've had 2 keyboards which have half the keys dead. Applying pressure on the connector makes all the keys work again, but as soon as i relieve the pressure, the right side keys stop working. Is it a keyboard issue or should I somehow replace the connector itself?

>>59625711
Laptop Mountain refurb a reccomended buy? Looking at getting either T43 or T61 from there, and they are both at $120. Warranty for 60 days, doesn't cover battery life. Am I getting duped?

>>59631712
It's an issue with the ribbon cable or the connector. Buy a new keyboard.

>protip: buy a keyboard in a foreign language at a much cheaper price and snap your US (or whatever you use) on the keyboard

>>59631743
Oops looks like I waited too long, they only have the T43P available now for $140.

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Am I really one of the only people who actually prefers the new chicklet style keyboard? I'd rather use the 8 row style for its layout. Though, I prefer the key travel and solid feedback of the island style.

>>59631751
I did buy a new keyboard, it started acting up yesterday. Same connector issue. It's one month old so I'll get a refund, but I don't want to keep buying keyboards every 3 months.

They barely sell US keyboards in my country, where could I find other language ones? Aliexpress?

>>59631827
ebay

and if a new keyboard don't fix it you jacked up the connector on the MB. good luck with that.

>>59631787
I prefer the increased number of keys in the old style, but I also do in fact prefer the chiclet keyboard.

>>59628681
You know, you can disable that shit in the bios

>>59631787
It's mostly just a bunch of poor fags parroting the same line.
old keyboard layout > new
old keyboard feel < chicklet
and by old I mean like t60+, my old t40's keyboard feels far better than any t420 that I've tried.

>>59631861
Shit. I hope the new keyboard fixes this issue, I'll tape it down forever.

Is a connector replacement possible? Provided I manage to find a similar connector from somewhere

>>59632501
Its flowed onto the MB by machine. If you are a fucking expert with a heat gun and soldering iron it's still a real fucking tricky job. If you can tape it down do it, just make sure you use non conductive tape (not duct tape).

>>59629772
t420s and t430s are fucking garbage the battery life is beyond a joke

€900 t460
I5 6200U
Intel HD graphics

Or
€1300 t460p
I5 6700HQ
Nvidia 940MX

Both 1080p , 8gb ram, 256gb ssd

Is the extra 400€ worth it? I have to do some scientific data analysis, but not like every day, maybe once a week-ish. How much performance will the higher frequency and more cores get me for everyday use? Is it even noticeable?

>>59632698
Kill me. Something or the other keeps going wrong with this laptop. Last month the motherboard developed a short from somewhere. Spent a lot of money getting it fixed, still much cheaper than a new Mobo.

>>59628974
t460

>>59632837
>t460
>muh thinpad
>not loving thicc thinkpad lovehandles

>>59632981
I don't care about weight or thickness, just wondering if the extra money is worth it.

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ThiccPad

>>59632742
Pls respond

>>59633280
you're in the wrong general. this is for poor people and secondhand thinkpads. Just get a mpb

What's the point of the buyer's guide when the specs vary so much for each model

>>59625894
>>59625894
i've installed this drivers: http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=118569#p763630

battery threshold is the same i've had with Windows 7. i can tell you more when my new 9 cell has arrived.

>>59626734
>boots VERY fast
>no lag whatsoever
>office-apps open in like a second
>fan is silent and starts to spin only during heavy installations or updates
with win10 you can get a perfect office/business/shitposting machine for like 200 dollaroos.

>>59634058
you can only spoonfeed so much, the swallowing and digesting and shitting part is up to you

I have a X230 with an i5-3360M and a 170W 20V ac adapter. Can I use this adapter to charge the X230 or will I be running into problems like burning my house up?

>>59634305
I know approximately what different parts/performance cost, so in some cases it's wildly off

>>59634287
Is Win10 really worth upgrading to from Win7?
I use Linux and don't fancy paying for an OS or installing some dodgy cracked copy.

>>59634631
Yes but fa/g/gots will tell you otherwise.

>>59634545
Wattage doesn't matter as long as it's high enough, 170W def is. If it fits and the voltage is the same then you are fine, the laptop will only draw as much as it needs.

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>>59634631
i've got my licence from a student, so if you know one, just ask. it works well for me (my desktop is linux, too), if you want/need it, that is up to you. i didn't ran into any problems so far.

>>59634631
10 (as well as maybe 8.1) is worth it if you dd windows. If you're spending the majority of your time on Linux as is then I doubt you have much to get out of it. Maybe it'll yield better battery life, but as long as you've got shit configured well anyway the difference wouldn't be huge. If you just have Win 7 as a backup or something then it's probably not all that worth upgrading.

>>59628974
i'm assuming you won't be running anything particularly intensive so more or less any thinkpad will do you just fine, the x220/t420 will do you just fine.

>>59625711
Is any of the thinkpads good for video editing? Maybe w530?

m8, will it be better for me to buy S1 Yoga for $499(Aus) or add $50 to get a T430?

Also, anyone can recommend me a good place to buy used thinkpad in Melbourne,Australia?

>>59634917
T430

>>59634917
>m8, will it be better for me to buy S1 Yoga for $499(Aus) or add $50 to get a T430?
Depends on what you need it for. You better be getting a well specced T430 at that price.

Your best bet is going to be eBay desu, maybe there's local places to get good deals, but if there's deals to be had then it'd be obscure as fuck in the first place.

Anyone in France have any experience with resellers?

>>59635029
Yeah, currently on ebay and I did found a better deal than shaddy refurb shop in the city area. Also, what's up with the resolution? Is it compulsary to upgrade to 1600x900?

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So comfy rn

>>59628681
This anti chiclet attitude has to end. The new keyboard is better. I wouldn't have believed it either but since I got an X230 I see why they changed it.

How much, roughly, does an 120 or 250 gb ssd increase the value of a thinkpad?

>>59635390
Don't fool yourself.
7 row keyboard bets the shit out of any chicklet 6 row.

>>59635390
I don't mind the feel of the chiclets desu, but I dislike the layout changes.

>>59635436
>>59635436
50-100$ but it increases the performance extremely.

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Thinking of buying a T460p. Any recommendations? I'm a slightly lost

Should I get t460s or t460? Or t450/450s? What are the differences? I'm gonna travel with it and I wanna know differences besides the price and size (I suppose s is for smaller). Do "s-without" have more battery?

>>59625863
>>59631271
>>59631787
>>59631973
>>59632353
>>59635390
>>59635439
>>59635451

keyboard GOD tier:
>X40
>X61s

keyboard GOLD tier:
>X230

keyboard OK tier:
>X201

keyboard OK but why did they have to fuck with insert/delete tier:
>X220

Based on my objective experiences of them as my daily driver.

The old layout at X201 and before was clearly superior to the new chiclet with X220 only having the insert/delete fuckup. They did however start to water down the quality somewhere around X201 by having shittier suppliers for some of the keyboards.

I ended having X201 and X220 with too soft feel for my taste and preferring X230 over them due to more stiff and tactile typing feeling which is very similar to what my X40 and X61s had.

Sometimes I dream how awesome it would be if I could use the old X40 as a bluetooth keyboard+mouse by installing finely crafted Gentoo on it but it's too much of a bother.

>>59635129
>Is it compulsary to upgrade to 1600x900?
On the T430 it pretty much is if you plan on actually using the screen, 1366x768 viewing angles and colour reproduction are pretty shit.

A friend of a friend is selling his T430 with an i5-3320M, 8gb ram and 120gb ssd, 1600x900 display for 270€. Is his asking price accurate and how low do I dare to haggle it?

>>59635745
250 and take it

>>59635745
>>59635651
Ended up buying one from ebay with similar spec for $330 AUD = £205

I reckon the price should be around £200-225

>>59635919
Are we using billiybalies as currency next?
I'd give you 2 of my best whips for 9 of your blobs.

>>59632137
disable what in the bios? network card whitelist? genuine battery check?
chiclet keyboard?

>>59635390
Everyone talks about chiclet and classic

What I find disgusting from the X220 keyboard is how much it flexes. It's not supposed to. I checked inside and there's no indication that it didn't flex when it was new. Keyboard flex is awful. I'd take any chiclet with no flex over this shit.

Where's the retro?

Anyone here owns a y720? How's the battery life and build quality? Worth getting?

>>59635745
I've just rechecked the spec and I actually get the model with 180Gb SSD and NVS 5400. You should definitely haggle for something around £150-190

>>59636184
you cant afford a y720

>>59636451
Why do you figure? I'm honestly considering buying one, but I'm not sure about the battery life.

>>59635945
The whitelist and the battery check

>>59636028
>What I find disgusting from the X220 keyboard is how much it flexes.
I have no flex on mine

Found a barely used T460 for sale with pretty good specs, wondering what you guys think?
Uses: Programming (Upcoming studies) and daily use at uni, nothing heavy.

Specs:
i5-6200U (2.3GHz)
8GB RAM
256GB SSD
14" 1920x1080 IPS
HD Graphics 520
new price: 10.600 DKK or 1530 USD
price now: 5000 DKK or 720 USD

also inclues Win 10 Pro & both original batteries.

>>59637135
Press down on the area around the volume buttons and think again.

>>59636909
not really

>>59637161
>DKK
what?
Anyways, the price is OK. Certainly less than you would pay for it in Europe.

>>59637199
>area around the volume buttons
that's literally the stiffest part of my keyboard, try again.

>>59637214
>what?
Danish Kuk Krone

>>59637214
sorry for inferior currency and thank you for your input. might just go for it.

Hey guys what do you think about the 710s, its has lenovo/thinkpad heritage and stuff, somebody here have it?

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>>59637161
>2016
>i5-6200U

wew lad

>>59636184
pls respond

So I bought this thinkpad x60 tablet that had libreboot and Manjaro Linux preinstalled for some reason. When I tried booting manjaro, it loads and goes to a black screen with the "_" character on the top right corner. I've tried rebooting it many times but it didn't work. I tried installing a new linux distro but it didn't work.

I don't know what to do. I can't get rid of Libreboot and I don't want to replace the motherboard because I wasted all of money to buy this thinkpad.

>>59637285
>silver ideapad
>thinkpad heritage

>>59637290
>15w tdp vs 35w tdp

>>59637290
>Comparing a low power ultrabook CPU to a full mobile CPU
Try again retard.

>>59637570
>using a 45W CPU in a mobile browsing and office device
no really, you are retarded. Sacrificing battery life for unnecessary performance gains fits the definition of retarded pretty good.

>>59637570
P models aren't really necessary for the typical ThinkPad user. This really is a tech enthusiast thing.

Can someone tell first hand how big the difference in build quality between the L and T series really is? I'm looking at the t460 and although it's in my price range the specs for the L series are better at a lower price.

Is the difference in materials, cage etc so big? Anything else to keep in mind?

>>59637214
You can get that model for 890€ which although more expensive than the US it's not a huge difference

>>59635496
Looking at that too. But looking at the price difference between the 460 and 460p it seems hardly worth it. Especially because some reviews mention the 460p runs really hot especially if it had a dedicated gpu as well

>>59637351
>>59637749
>>59637765

so let me get this straight:

I shouldnt compare it to a 6200U because the 6200U is a "low power ultrabook CPU"

and

I shouldnt compare it to a 6300HQ because the 6300HQ "really is a tech enthusiast thing." ?

therefore I'm not allowed to say "modern T series cpu's have no noticeable single core performance improvement over a six year old sandybridge, or if they do they need a 45w tdp".

okay, I apologize then, I'll keep that in mind.

das

>>59637199
oh between the power button and the thinkvantage? yeah it flexes but who the fuck cares, it's such a small and unused area

>>59637982
Why not both? He says the 6300HQ is an enthusiast thing. He isn't saying it has no use (for everyone), just that it isn't a useful comparison in terms of speed because it runs upwards of 90 degrees centigrade and uses 3x the power

>>59631707
Yeah but how will I use it if I can't even use the operating system? I'm always stuck on the boot screen.

>>59638375
You make a bootable disc out of it (I think you need a CD).

>>59637984
tripfag, everyone.

>>59638375
what he said
>>59638460

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The hell is happening, I can't get my eGPU to display anything past 720p even though windows says on display settings it is

>>59639112
Wait for stats to sync with botnet server.

Saw an X201 with rotateable screen locally for 195 eurodollarinos.
Has an i7 L620, 8 GB RAM, a 64 GB SSD on board. Terrible or good?

>>59627882
either reseat the ram or try a new ram stick

>>59639179
It's too late for that anon
I figured it out anyway, it was text scaling.

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Where do I buy quality TrackPoint nubs?

The one that came with my laptop worn out so I replaced it with some chinkshit one and it's fucking garbage. It's plasticy and slippy and is generally just useless shit. Where do I buy the genuine Lenovo ones?

Laptop is a T510 if it matters?

dads job was throwing out an entire pallet of t-60s and I got one for free. Its basically perfect condition except for a very light orange tint.

Still free t-60

>>59629073
X220 with 9 cell battery. It'll take notes fine, and should be able to run virtual machines for a while.

>>59639367
Damn son

>>59639187
>195 eurodollarinos
No. You can get a good x220 for that.

>>59639265
pls respond

>>59639265
Use the chinkshit one, I hated it for about a week then it seems to have became better with wear

Anyone know how to properly use a SIM card for internet? I can't find any information and the archwiki is not really helping me. It's a T460s btw

>>59639689
If no one responds it's probably because it's a stupid question. Did you even try to check ebay for examble?

>>59639265
lenovo website dipshit

you don't have to bump this board is slow as fuck.

>>59627818
>the way he's holding it makes me uncomfortable

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Are these any good? Beats having an empty ExpressCard slot

>>59639786
they work well

>>59639786
I bought a startech one. It works great and mounts flush. Every time I use a different OS the drivers are there and it just werks. Only problem I had was when I first got it it would come out of the slot every time I tried to pull out a device. Wrapped some tape around it and stuck it back in and haven't had a problem since. It may never come out but I'm never going to stick anything else in there so whatever

>>59639780
that's the point
>muh magnesium

>>59639837
That's all I needed to hear, i'll order one for Ol' Reliable

>>59639786
What company/model?

>>59639949
Probably chinkshit off eBay, is it worth paying a bit more for a good one?

>>59639618
In Europe you get one in mediocre condition with HDD and 4GB RAM for that price. A good X220 might cost up to 250€ and that doesn't include SSD or extra RAM. I'd say 195€ for a good X201t is average.

>>59639745
Yes I checked and they are all massively expensive or chinkshit.

>>59639752
I didn't give you permission to call me dipshit, apologize.

>>59640087
What do you consider expensive?

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>>59640146
10GBP+, that's like 5% of what I paid for the laptop and it's a piece of rubber smaller than my fingernail.

>>59640087
don't be a dipshit

>>59639786
last one I bought got jammed in there and I couldn't eject it, had to disassemble the whole pc, but it di work

>>59639786
is there a Version with USB-C?

>>59640808
That would be pretty useless

My Step Father is looking to get a laptop. How would a newer ThinkPad do. He would mostly uses it for Banking and Facebook games

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New Trackpoint caps, boys. Finally replacing the knockoff cap on my X120e.

>>59641051
If it's just a facebook machine why not a T420/T430 and save him some money

>>59641064
he already has a shitty slow laptop he hates.

>>59641064
>T420/T430
>Slow
Chose one.

>>59641089
>paying an extra $500 for <25% increase in performance
wew laddie

>>59641142
I didn't bother looking it up, sorry. these specs are much better.
I don't know what model or year the current laptop is, but it came with windows 7 home and can barely run farmville above 3 fps.

>>59641089
The T430 and T420 aren't slow. Current models aren't really faster with their Ultrabook CPUs

>>59625711
Recently got a Thinkpad E430 and bought a new screen for it. If the lid is completely open and then turned on the screen is almost completely white, but if at a 45 degree angle the screen is perfectly fine no lines or anything

I have a T420 with an i5-2520M been serving me well, is there any way I can upgrade for better graphics power at all? Only to play simple games at a decent fps.

>>59641407
more RAM, eGPU

>>59641407
SSD
S
D

>>59641527
Bought second hand already has 12Gb for some reason, will check out eGPU

>>59641549
Will check that out, thanks

>>59641407
upgrade to a i7-2960XM

>>59641089
i hope he beats your ass

>>59641407
You could swap out the CPU but in terms of graphics performance it wouldn't give you that much more performance. The only real way to get more graphics power out of it is to use an eGPU.

Concerning >>59641549, an SSD has absolutely nothing to do with graphics. It will decrease boot times and loading times in games but that's it. There will be no performance boost.

>>59641621
thats odd. Put it up to 16, 2 8gb sticks. A small stick and a big stick will cause a chokepoint and slow down your shit

How is the touch screen assembled on x230t? Can I put it a regular x230 screen inside the case and keep the touch/pen input?

>>59641634
no but he did destroy my monitors one time

>>59641639

You think I should add even more ram???

>>59641624
Thanks seems like a good idea

>>59641668
you may see a performance boost if you decrease the RAM, if they're matching sticks.

>>59639786
cheap overheating flimsy chink shit that hangs the OS 9/10 times because ASPM settings. last time I tried it the thumbdrive slided right out, one of the usb ports didnt hold it in place at all.

but hey sometimes it works.

>>59641624
what is a good price range for that CPU?

>>59641728
17$

>>59641728
yes

>>59641728
$250 but you can get a 2640m for like $60

>>59641805
Thank you

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which libreboot-capable, intel ME-less laptop should I buy?

T60p: + 5 - 5 = 0
>+4:3
>+IPS
>+1600x1200
>-T7400 (maximum possible)
>-3GB DDR2
>-SATA I
>+libreboot install via software only
>-intel 945GM
>-LED backlight only via MOD
>+full-sized keyboard

X60: + 5 - 7 = -2
>+4:3
>+IPS possible
>+1400x1050
>-T7400 (maximum possible)
>-3GB DDR2
>-SATA I
>+libreboot install via software only
>-intel 945GM
>+no touchpad
>-keyboard is not full-sized
>-LED backlight only via mod.

T400: + 5 - 5 = 0
>-16:10
>-TN
>-1440x900
>+P8600/T9600
>+8GB DDR3
>+SATA II
>-libreboot requires hardware mod.
>+intel X3100
>-LED backlight display available
>+full-sized keyboard

X200: + 8 - 4 = + 4
>-16:10
>-TN@1440x900
>+IPS@1280x800
>+P8600/T9600
>+8GB DDR3
>+SATA II
>-libreboot requires hardware mod.
>+intel X3100
>+no touchpad
>-may be too small for me.
>+LED backlight display available
>+full-sized keyboard


I'm unable to decide. I'm now going to sell my T420, my T420s FHD, and my X220t with broken screen.

>>59642260
>selling 3 good laptops for one shitty older one for muh sjwboot

>>59642260
don't use libreboot retard

>>59642260
>+ 5 - 5 = 0
>+ 5 - 7 = -2
>+ 5 - 5 = 0
>+ 8 - 4 = + 4

what is this, I dont speak autism

>>59642535
why?

>>59642572
They're SJW retards. Plus it does literally nothing.

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>>59642569
score. pros and cons.

>2017
>lenovo will never unfuck the keyboard layout in future thinkpads

Sure do love losing functionality because people insist on fingering their computers instead of using the objectively superior nub.

>>59642260
Go for the X200. I came from T420 and tried T400 first, but it felt incredibly bulky and unwieldy. Switched to X200 and have never had a more comfortable laptop. Plus the hardware mod is much easier than the T400.

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>>59625711
Where do you guys buy replacement batteries?

On the lenovo website they cost like 150 dollars.
On newegg/amazon there are people selling them "new" for half that. Is this a scam?

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>>59643850
t420s i7 2620m, 8gb ram, intel ssd.

>>59644041
teach me this cool shit

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>>59644041

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>>59642260

>>59644041
Any suggestions on improving the looks?

>>59639618
>>59640001
Thank you. Would you say an X201t is significantly different in performance compared to a regular X201 or a X220? The added bonus of a rotateable stylus supporting screen is definitely nice and the configuration sold does have an i7 and 8 GB of RAM already, so less upgrades needed. I will still need to check the visual condition and ask about the internals some more, as I've only saw it from a distance and didn't have time to question the pawnstore clerk.

I also scoured around the local Craigslist-substitute a bit, and seems like T430 and X230 are the most common ones sold, mostly in the 200-300 euro range, usually in standard configuration. I've seen some exceptions, though.

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>be me
>had my t420 for a year
>would always overheat and shut down when doing large videos and demanding programs
>cleaning fan/cooler didn't help
>new thermal paste didn't help
>gave up and ran my programs on another machine
>used t420 as a browser
>just today realized the problem was staring me in the face every time I ran screenfetch
>some idiot overclocked it
>tfw

>>59644450
if you care about graphics and assuming all of those machines have an i7, then you're comparing HD4000 which is 2x better than HD3000 which is roughly 2x better than 4500MHD

if you dont then grab whatever's cheaper/more convenient.

>>59644041
>use i3
>float all windows
kill yourself

>>59644723
well yea no shit if you disable turbo boost it runs cooler

>>59644760
This is just 1/8 workspaces dumb fucks ~10% of the windows are floating
>kys

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>>59643850
plz respond

>>59644450
T410 for 165 euro
>i5-540M, 4 GB DDR3 RAM, 500 GB Seagate 7400.4, DVD+/-RW, Intel 6200 802.11AGN, Bluetooth, 6 cell battery that apparently holds about 1.5 worth of use, Windows 7 Pro pre-installed
X220 for 175 euro
>i5-2520M, 4 GB RAM, 120 GB SSD, 9 cell battery that seller claims holds 6 hours, Win 7 Pro
R61 for 80 euro
>Core 2 Duo T8100,3 GB RAM, 80 GB SATA, WAN/WLAN
X220 for 210 euro
>i5-2520M, 4 GB RAM, 128 GB SSD, 3G card, original bag and either 6 or 9 cell battery (???)
X200 for 120 euro
Core 2 Duo P8800, 2 GB

The rest are X230 and T430, like I mentioned. This is about all the information I'm getting from these ads too, though I might check into the store mentioned in one of them. Maybe they have more available on-site.

>>59644846
ebay, any respectable chink one will do

>>59644827
>I swear I tile, I was only floating everything I show to others. pls believe me

>>59644907
Why would I use i3 if I'm gonna float anything you dumb fuck.

>>59644868
nigger what did I just say
>>59644744

>>59644744
They're mostly i5s, I believe. With 4 GB of RAM and the standard HDD or an inexpensive SSD. All the ones I've seen before in pawnstores were apparently trash like S and Ls, so this is my first time seeing an actually good Thinkpad with decent specs and not too overpriced.

>>59644788
How do I disable turbo boost?

>>59645046
I know, see >>59645122
All of the X230s and T430s I've seen so far have i5s.

>>59645147
doesnt matter, the graphics comparison still stands. if you want gaymen go for the X230 otherwise get a X220 or a X201.

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>>59645138

pic related or

CPU_BOOST_ON_AC=0 in TLP

or set 'maximum processor state' in windows to 99%

>>59645462
Noted, thank you very much for the suggestions, I appreciate it. I might look for an X230 if I find one at an acceptable price, i7 on board and all. Though I don't really like the look of the keyboard, could I replace it with X220's or something? (I'm new to Thinkpads, coming from desktops and consumer-grade laptops)

>>59645603
yes you can replace the keyboard with the x220 one but you need to flash the embedded controller and modify the pinouts slightly. Its pretty piss easy there is a youtube video on it.

>>59645603

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Install_Classic_Keyboard_on_xx30_Series_ThinkPads

>>59645655
>>59645657
Excellent, thanks very much once again.

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>>59641060
Running Linux? What distro?
Every time I try running Lubuntu I find I don't really like it. All kinds of little issues I find.

>>59643850
ebay. At that price it's probably not a scam.

>>59645601
I don't have that in bios and I'm using linux

I've tried using

 sudo wrmsr -p3 0x1a0 0x4000850089

and editing

/sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/no_turbo

to disable it, but it changes back after reboot.

>>59641089
Lololololololoo

This fucking guy.

my t430 still beats 2016 laptops that cost 3x-10x as much.

>>59645941
figured it out, nvm

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>>59646143

*blocks your path*

>>59646326

does that thing have a battery pack or just AC ?

>>59646285
So how's the temp now?

captcha: GAYLAND CLOUDS

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>>59646357
running

sudo stress-ng --cpu 4

no longer crashes the computer.

Max temps about 65C

oh and
>the option to disable turboboost was listed as "n-step technology" or something like that in the bios, so I didn't think to try turning it off

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>>59646354
>battery pack
doubt it, this one has a 850W psu

>>59646437
>the option to disable turboboost was listed as "n-step technology" or something like that in the bios

what the fug. did you just disable speedstep?

check the frequency, it might be throttled to 800mhz forever

captcha: ALT WRIGHT

>>59641051
About as well as an older ThinkPad, only the newer one likely has a nicer screen.

>>59641089
So give him one with an SSD.

>>59646143
>>>59641089
>Lololololololoo
>This fucking guy.
>my t430 still beats 2016 laptops that cost 3x-10x as much.
Stop lying to yourself

So lost on what to get. Trying to spend 350 max on something decent. Ssd preferred what the fuck do I buy and from where

>>59647713
Get an X220 or T520 from ebay and add an SSD yourself. Don't waste money on something that already comes with an SSD, you have no way of knowing how old that SSD is or how much abuse it's already been put through. You could end up with a paperweight after a month. Focus more on the features that you can't replace so easily, like the screen.

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>>59647785
This look good?

So I just pruchased a refurbished x230 from someone on ebay. Everything is fine, but the only problem is that the battery literally lasted 5minutes before it shut down. It was stated that the laptop recommended a battery replacement. Do I just buy a x230 battery or does the x220 battery work fine?

>>59647937
average price, not a deal but OK

>>59647968

see

>>59628681

>>59647937
not bad, check for obvious things tho too like supervisor password and battery.

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>>59646512

sudo dmidecode -t processor

also says it's running at 2500MHz

>we did it!

Are these good for gaming

>>59648416
best non-gaming laptops for gaming on the market

>>59648369
Nice, congrats. Turbo boost on a laptop is the most retarded thing ever just so they could market early mobile i5's at 3+ ghz

>>59648535


It's not a bad thing, you idiot. It only turbos when needed.

>>59648416
>Oh look mom, I posted it again

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>>59648679
>It's not a bad thing
>causes emergency temperature shutdown

>>59645941
>intel_pstate/no_turbo
you also need to limit the maximum gpu frequency. i915 frequency scaling is not aware of the P-State settings and will enter turbo regardless if intel_pstate/no_turbo is set to 1 or 0.
/sys/class/drm/card0/gt_max_freq_mhz

>>59648805

>caused emergency temperature shutdown

Clean your cum out of your vents, you fucking weeb faggot.

Where can I get a decent battery for the X61 Tablet? I've only seen one, and it looks like crap and can't fit on the dock

>>59648837
This is why the bios setting is the best - from an unlocked bios that is, which you can easily find it on the internet

>>59648846
> +700mhz voltage spikes
>good for thermal management
Your mother is a whore

>>59649065


Funny story bro, way to make up stories and tinfoil hat your way of looking like a looney.

last week i cracked the casing on my current t430 and decided to buy another thinking I'll put all the good hardware in one of the units and sell the second one. i saw an i7 listed on ebay with all basic parts (standard battery, 1366x768 screen, etc) so I put on a rather low offer and requested he keep the hdd as i don't need it - surprisingly he accepted. I planned on just transferring my current 1600x900 screen into the new one when it arrives.

the thing arrives a few days later and it fuck me did the seller screw himself out of a few extra quid.
- actually already had a 1600x900 screen, zero blemishes/scratches
- next to no wear/polish on the keys
- zero wear on the chassis (my current one was polished smooth on most keys and where the wrists rests)
- had a finger print reader
- extra large battery
- backlit keyboard
- very well kept machine

i assumed most of the people selling thinkpads second hand would be knowledgable enough to list them correctly and maximise their profit but I suppose I got rather lucky on this one.

>>59649296
brool story co

>>59625711
can someone explain me why is the x230t a bad choice?

>>59649362
>3
>t
nuff said

>>59649362
buy x230 (no t) and mod a xx20 keyboard into it. Bam, the perfect laptop.

>fw endles captcha loop

>>59635496
I just bought that, its fucking great. Of course, depends on specific use case. But for me, using it for browsing and programming, its silent, fast, light, installed linux nicely with minimal hassle, and should be powerful enough to be useful for a long time to come.

Only drawbacks is the screen area doesn't necessarily feel super sturdy, though idk how that compares to other TPs, and it hasn't bothered me a bit.Of course, its a newer model so the Intel Botnet is on there, though apparently there are hacks for that, not sure if they work.

Finally, I'd recommend using the codes provided here, saved $500 on mine off standard retail. If you want specs, by the base version and buy the upgrades third-party - there are tutorials on how to repair/upgrade, and its way cheaper that way (like $100 instead of $300 for an equivalent SSD)

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Help a fellow negroid out, /tpg/ --

I've been using my W520 since late 2013. Beautiful machine, everything I want in a computer. However, there's garbage inside the display, the heat exchanger is either clapped-out or very very dirty, and the computer feels like it's in many ways coming to the end of its lifecycle. So I'm looking for alternatives. I have two questions.

First, is there hope in cleaning the computer up? Will the fan and heatsink start chooching properly once various vents etc. have been cleaned? I'll assume this involves taking all the plastic off the rollcage and demounting the motherboard, so basically a full disassembly aside from the display.

Second, is the W530 any good? I've got options for replacements, and a minty-mint W520 would run some 800€ -- whereas a serviceable W530 could be had for 550€. I heard that people would sometimes swap 20-series keyboards into 30-series Thinkpads: does this work? Is that a viable choice, replacing a W520 with a W530 plus a keyboard transplant?

I've been here since forever. Currently typing on my T61p. Amused to see the younger generations adopt ThinkPads so feverishly. Keep it up, bros & non-bros.

>>59649430
Clean the heatsink of dust and reapply thermal paste. If its anything like the T530 (which it should be as the motherboard layout is almost identical) You do not have to remove the motherboard from the rollcage to remove the heatsink. ONLY the keyboard bezel needs removal. Doesn't take long at all. As for the W530 it isnt a major step up from the W520 but if you want to upgrade the keyboards are interchangeable however you need to sand down the nubs (at the bottom of the keyboard so it can fit into the w530 bezel), modify the connector and flash the embedded controller. The W520 and W530 keyboard bezels are not interchangeable.

>>59635496
>>59649423
>>59637858

Oh and concerning the overheating, that seemed to have been a problem only when using the laptop at full capacity for quite a long time, so its use-case dependent. Unless you're gaming intensely or trying to compile/run intense computations, it should be fine for most tasks, i.e. mid-level gaming, and perhaps mid-level programming/number-crunching. For the more intense stuff its better to use a desktop or buy some crazy expensive gaming laptop anyway. The t460p is more than powerful enough for basically anything else, and nice and cheap to boot.

I may be wrong though, I haven't exactly tested the limits on mine.

>>59649499
Thanks for the answer, sir. I've already popped the W520's plastic a couple of times to change the thermal paste on GPU and CPU, but that did next to nothing to the actual issue. I think I'll go in there another time over the weekend, see if I can't make her work coolly again. Is there any possible gain from going into the vents underneath the computer? Does dust only collect and jam up in the heatsink and fan? What's the correct tool for cleaning the heatsink?

I thought the Ivy Bridges were supposed to run cooler than Sandy Bridges, and that the Intel GPU was slightly less shit. Is the display mostly the same? I could spend 550€ on coke and hookers as well.

>The W520 and W530 keyboard bezels are not interchangeable.

This is also highly useful. Thank you.

>>59649599
I just used a vaccum cleaner with a nozzle to get the dust out of my heat-sink whilst it was out. As for cleaning the vents under the computer I don't think so I dont think much air is drawn from there. I use my T530 on my bed and provided that the vents on the side arent blocked it runs at the same temperatures as it would on a desk. As for the displays the W530 and W520 1080P displays are the same wide gamut panel. Just be weary that If the W530 has had its screen replaced late in the warranty period by lenovo It could have been replaced replaced with some cheaper lower quality display as the Original wide gamut panels got discontinued and hard to come by. B156HW01 V.4 is the model number of the high quality wide gamut panel.

>>59649674
Thanks. This is all I needed to hear -- I can always stand to spend less cash, and replacement computers will be around for years to come, so a couple of years of extra life in my W520 wouldn't be wasted at all.

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Anyone tried the x220 boot UEFI with an mSATA ssd?

>>59650062
All **20 models support mSATA booting
t. anon with T420

>>59650073
And i didnt see the UEFI part, but the answer should still be yes.

>>59650062
>>59650073
>>59650076
yes it works. didn't used to off the shelf when uefi was a new thing but now works more or less flawlessly on my x220

>>59650062
whats the point of msata if its only sata 2

>>59650212
Support for 3 drives.

>>59637858
>>59649423
>>59649516

Thanks u very much for reply me. It was very helpfully

why do you guys like thinkpads so much?

my mom asked me to get her a new computer, and I'm wondering why thinkpads get their own threads

>>59650575
because they're tuff

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>>59644723
how does it run for you now? all good?

>>59650575
Because its a reliable $200 laptop that just about matches any $400-$500 entry level new laptop yet has way better build quality.

>>59650575
Cheap used laptops, not attractive to normies so the prices are low. Great GNU/Linux support. Easy to fix/repair, lot's of spare parts.

>>59647937
No. You should charge your phone.

So you're telling me the recommended models which i bought (x230) is actually a shit stain? I can't even change the battery without it causing an error.

>>59647937
>i7
those are housefire tier anon

Just ordered my t460p refurbished, but it comes with 4gb ram. Did anyone manage or does anyone know if it can handle 2x32gb?

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I see a lot of used X240/X250 being sold without the internal battery.
Why does that happen, did the battery go bad?
Also, how usable is it without the internal battery?

>>59636909
battery check isn't in the bios, it's in the EC, and lashing that is easy as shit.
the bios is encrypted though so you can't put in any 3rd party wireless cards nor can you de whitelist it
>>59635945
There is literally nothing wrong with the keys being chicklet
if anything the chicklet keys feel far better to type on than the t420/x220's keyboard.
the only thing wrong with it is the layout, and it isn't that bad (still far better than most other laptops).

>>59635547
I hate the x201's short delete key
Plus with the x220/t410 having a big delete key that makes the other keys line up nicely with f9-12

>>59625711
Guys I'm about to buy P50 with 6820HQ, qadro M2000M and one M.2 SSD.

WIll I have any problems with Windows 7 drivers?
WIll I be able to mount myself another M.2 or 2.5" drive or do i need to order some cables/sockets together with it?

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>>59652470

>>59652516
I need 7 for my work (if i want to use it to work from home which I certainly do)

>>59642260
x200 is comfy as fuck just the right size just make sure you back up the stock bios in-case you want to go back just make sure to replace the shitty wifi chipset it comes with

>>59651583
>why
It's a mystery.
>how usable is it without the internal battery?
The internal battery is only for backup power in case your primary battery runs out of power to allow you to shut the machine down before any data is lost. It's as usable as a laptop that doesn't have a secondary battery in the first place.

>>59625711
I'm meeting with a guy that has multiple T420 from his company that is purchasing new laptops in bulk.

I told him I'm interested in T420, 8GB,1600x900.

What should I be careful about?
I already aked him about the BIOS password and computrace, he assures me both are disabled and that the charger is original.

I want to buy a x series tablet.

Is the x61 going to be infuriatingly slow? budget is ludicrously low and i'm in the UK so everything's a bit more pricey than the stuff I see on US ebay. Used basically for web browsing / html.

>>59653164
Tell me about it I'm buying a T420 now for 200 Euros. Fucking VAT

Can I install the 1440x900 screen from the X201s in a regular X201?

what new laptop should I get with a pretty high budget? Coming from t420. I want something with good Linux support and a good Intel GPU (just kaby lake igpu is fine. I don't want to mess with cancerous nvidia shit on Linux). It sounds like modern thinkpads are basically a lost cause at this point, so what should I get instead? Considering xps 15 but ive heard it has poor build quality and coil whine problems...

>>59653331
>modern thinkpads are basically a lost cause at this point
On the T460p Linux just werks. I suppose it does on the T470 an T470p too, so these are pretty good options. Concerning the XPS 15, you're right. Coil whining is fucking brutal on this and it's built poorly. Especially the keyboard. Not to mention the lack of a trackpoint.

Should I buy a Y720 as my daily carry? How's the battery life?

>>59653365
>Yoga
Why do you post in this thread?

>>59653365
Get an X series tablet instead.

>>59653372
Y720 as in legion. For muh games. But I also value battery life.

>>59653377
See above.

Anyone have the Thinkpad branded Bluetooth mouse from the Lenovo site? I was thinking of getting it to match my x260

>>59638308
Not him, I have flexing in the left parts of the keyboard.

>>59652848
the usual: boot it up, see if all keys are working, Screen is okay, scratches an so on.

>>59652848
Anyone has any tips regarding this?

>>59653482
Oh, I've just replied same time as you did.

As the system has Windows on it should I bring some tools on a USB to test the laptop? Any Lenovo tools for batery life and HDD check?

>>59653498
sorry, no idea, i have my x220 for two weeks now, just digging in.

>>59653838
Oh well, I guess I'm on my own then :)

>>59628974

The all new MacBook Pro retina will do just fine.

Guys, i bought a t440s with fan error and no charger for 50$ (not stolen i checked) and i am really enjoying it, not using my lenovo y50 anymore because the screen and keyboard are BS. what should i do to the t440s? what are some advised mods? (specs: i5-4200u, 8gb ram, 128gb ssd, 1600x900 display (one dot is lighter then the others?) :( )

>>59654346
chances are good you won't get screwed over. i've got mine from a guy who had no idea what he sold and the machine was in perfect condition.

>>59653390
pls respond

Assuming you have the budget, is there literally any reason to get a T470 over an X1 Carbon? The screens on the T series have like 60% or less sRGB coverage, 400:1 contrast ratio, they are fucking pathetic. The T470 also only has a single Thunderbolt port, and the keyboards have been re-engineered such that they are now basically indistinguishable.

What is the recommended Dell Precision model, is it still worth trying to get a good m4600 or would it be better to get a more recent edition?

>>59654720
Replacing the touchpad with one with actual trackpoint buttons is probably the main thing you'd want to do. Otherwise the only significant upgrade would be a FHD screen, but it's not like the one you have isn't good.

>>59635496
>>59637858
>>59649423
>>59649516

Is it possible to add an i7 6820HQ in the future?

whats the best hacker thinkpad

>>59655066
i never touched the touchpad on my other laptop so im gonna assume i dont need that, also i like the look of this one desu. what are the FHD screens going for at the moment?

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>>59656089

x220 or x230 in my opinion

>>59656216
i want to just be able to pull it out at tim hortons and have people think im some elite hacker

maybe so i can pick up cute nerd chicks when im playing dwarf fortress in emacs

>>59656249
Cute nerd chicks aren't attracted to nerds and only act that way because its cool now. :(

Do I have to find a IBM thinkpad, or is lenovo cool? cause they look pretty gay


and the ones I can afford dont have a track ball, to me thats about half the fun, I dont really use laptops for more than youtube and python

>>59656322
the lenovo ones are still okay they're just not as sturdy

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>>59656298

>this

>>59654762
So far so good, got my thinkpad. It looks cool but I forgot how ugly Windows are. Time to install something more fun on it

>>59656860
i've installed Windows 10 pro on it and it runs very well. upgrade it to 8gb ram and put a msata ssd inside it.

>>59657418
I'm installing Fedora on it as I'm working with mostly CentOS machines so this should be decent OS for me.

Whats a solid, and easy to find screen upgrade for the t420?

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who here is cheering on the mass adoption of ulv cpus in consumer laptops? every 7w dorito that's sold new in 2017 means an i5-2520m from 2011 depreciates just a little bit slower

>>59658515

new thread

>>59659046

>>59659046

>>59659046