/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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Entry build for games like GW2, indies, maybe The Forest, Divinity: Original Sin 2, etc.

Is this good?

>>59624132
yes

>>59622558
Wait can a potato really work like that?

>>59624312
yeah you didnt know a potato can generate electricity?

>>59624312
half of portal 2 was about a potato computer

>>59624132
That's good except...
...Cheap EVGA PSUs suck ass. Get a Seasonic like the M12II or Rosewill PSU. They make some of the best cheap PSUs now days.
...that motherboard seems expensive. Does it have something in particular you really need?
...$181 for an RX470 is insane. You can get an 8GB RX480 for that. I've seen RX470s as cheap as $110.
...why not just spend $130 for a 475-525GB SSD instead of $130 for the small SSD and larger HDD? Just add a 1TB HDD in later when you need more storage unless you need it now.

Don't buy a decent LGA1151 motherboard in a budget build for the sake of an upgrade path when that socket is going away soon.

Also, and this one is big: the FX-8300 is insanely cheap right now. $90 or less. That probably makes it the best budget option with a motherboard that gets you a 4Ghz+ overclock.

Otherwise, that's a better build than 95% of what people post in these threads.

>>59624717
>rosewill
at least specify that only their new ones are good you fucking retard. their older shit is a 100 times worse than that EVGA unit

>>59624717
>consider a shit tier FX cpu in current year instead of a ryzen that's coming next month that will blow out the old FX shit out of the water

please never come back to this board ever again

>>59624737
Obviously I mean their newer ones.

>>59624747
Cheapest R5 is $170.

R5 is good for anyone considering an i3(which should be no one) or i5. Whereas the FX-8300 overclocked is good for anyone considering a lower i3(which should be no one) or G4560 since it'll get 90fps+ averages in many newer games that the G4560 struggles to get 60 in.

If I buy an AM4 board now, will I need to update uefi before I can use a R5 or is the support there out of box?

>>59624791
Ryzen 3 also coming, you oblivious tard. Stop trying to make people buy a fucking dead socket. The only reason to buy a fucking FX 8 core would be extreme budget for rendering video or something, for everything else it's a fucking terrible purchase.
Also, it's only viable to buy that shit second hand for even cheaper cost since a ton of those people will probably upgrade to Ryzen now.

>>59624835
R7 and R5 and R3 are all the same family chips so no you dont have to do shit. It's not an update architecture like Skylake -> KabyLake intel did with z170 and z270. why would you even think this?

>>59624867
Because all mobo manufacturers only list the R7 cpus as supported. Also kaby lake was not an architecure update. Kaby Lake is Skylake-refresh.

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Did I do good?

what kind of temps should I be looking at with an i5 7600 (k but not overclocked yet) with a cryorig H7 cooler? I tried prime95 and I reached 70 degrees after about 10 minutes. Idle is around 30 degrees.

I'm thinking I didn't use enough thermal paste.

>>59624867
And? Ryzen3 isn't coming for like 6 months and will still be much more expensive than an FX-8300 is now.

You're a fucking moron, some dumb shit who can't thick logically for themself, if you can't understand what a budget build is and how not everyone can simply spend $100 more on a motherboard and CPU when they don't really need it.

I'd say you're the one that shouldn't be on this board like you tried to tell me, but apparently you fit right in with these other morons.

This person is talking about a system with a $60 G4560, you stupid piece of shit. The cheapest Ryzen 3 is more than double that. And it looks like the cheap A320 motherboards are going to be OEM only. You can get a <$50 motherboard for an FX CPU while you can't for AM4.

>>59624909
>Because all mobo manufacturers only list the R7 cpus as supported
No, they list RYZEN as supported, RYZEN is all R3 R5 and R7 chips. Plus there will be APU chips coming aswell, all running on all AM4 motherboards.

>Also kaby lake was not an architecure update. Kaby Lake is Skylake-refresh.
with some changes, aka update.

>>59624924
no

>>59624966
the dumb illogical shit is you suggesting a fucking FX in 2017 when even a fucking G4560 will be a better option for everything except rendering shit. go look at some fucking benchmarks.

>ryzen 6 not coming for 6 months
2nd half is july, faggot

buying a new FX today is retarded.
stop posting and KYS

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>>59624924
>6600k
No. Just wait for Ryzen 5 if you can't afford a 7700k. The 1600X is so much better than the 6600k.
An overclocked 6600k is still worse than having a decent number of threads.

Spending over $150 for only 4 threads in 2017 is fucking retarded, senpai.
Don't believe the "nothing is multithreaded still" shills.

>>59624966
Not him, but he has a valid point. Bulldozer/Piledriver was a fucking mistake.

t. Just upgraded from 8350 to r7.

>>59625057
>Don't believe the "nothing is multithreaded still" shills.
This, we had the same thing with single core vs dual core, dual core vs quad core etc...

>>59624717
rx 470 are ~200 € here in naziland

>>59624966
>can't thick logically

>>59625063
I don't disagree, man. Bulldozer was a huge mistake.
But an FX-8300 that can overclock to 8350-8370 levels for under $90 is still a good deal compared to a G4560.

But honestly you can't go wrong with either. They're fairly close in gaming. The 8 core FX overclocked over 4Ghz is better in some games, but worse in others. The big downside is heat and power consumption.

One thing I notice in a lot of benchmarks like GTAV is that the FX is only about 55-65% utilized while delivering the same FPS as the G4560 that's 95-100% utilized.
That means a bit (I won't say a lot because it's probably the FPUs being near 100% utilized still) of power left over for some other applications in the background to not tank your framerates.

>>59625125
It looked like US prices to me in that picture. I doubt you can get a G4560 for $60 in Canada or Australia.

>>59624791
170 bucks is almost 3 times what the g4560 is. It's unbeatable. Ryzen will give some more performance but cost more than double that.

>>59625190
>2x the cores and threads is "some more"

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>>59625174
nigger get a fucking grip on reality.

AM3+ is dead socket, if he gets a G4560 he has upgrade possibility later.
If he gets an FX he has zero upgrade options and will end up spending more money in the long run because he also has to replace RAM and MOBO.

The G4560 beats the FX or is equal in everything except highly threaded work tasks like rendering.

The Ryzen 3 will have options in the same price range, will have upgrade options later without having to get new RAM and MOBO, and it will be 4 core minimum and Ryzen is at least 40% faster PER CORE than FX.

The ONLY legit situation to buy a fucking FX today is if you buy USED SECOND HAND for RENDERING.

>>59625174
As long as the background application isn't watching something. Watching anything will tank your fps in GTAV from my experience with a fx-8350 @ 4.6 GHz. But it struggles to run GTAV regardless, it hold back pretty much any relevant GPU on the market

>>59625174
Yeah, that's where the biggest faults are: heat, power, and shit single core performance. It's not all that bad though, as that most games set the 8350 as the "recommended" requirements so if he really wanted to, he can. His upgrade path would be fucked though, and anything better he would have to go through the same process.

>>59624717
To be honest i checked logical increments and it said b250 pc mate from MSI. Theres a shitton of marginally different motherboards and i really don't know what to pick.

My logic is this: Wait for R5, if Intel cuts the price of the 7700k by at least $80 i'll go with that, otherwise i'll grab a 1500X and buy a PCI-E M.2 for OS drive with the same money and probably still be happy.

Hey guys, I am selling my Radeon r9 390 and was wondering what would be a fair price to sell it at. Its was only used for 6 months before it was taken out.

>>59625335
that's about same performance as RX480 now right? so a bit less than what those go for.

btw why sell it before Vega is out?

>>59625359
Yeah and I kind of hit some hard times and need the cash to get me through the next month until I start my new job so my whole pc is being parted out.

>>59625391
that sucks. u cant borrow some money from someone?

>>59625391
Man thats sad.
Here in germany even our niggers get so much welfare money they walk around with iphones.

>>59625217
So you're basically saying to wait for R3/5?
I kinda wanted to build it mid April.

>>59625467
R5 is coming next month so it should be possible in your time frame.

>>59625467
>I kinda wanted to build it mid April.
I don't think R3 is that far away. The R7 got released 26 days ago, R5 gonna release in 14 days (and quite a lot already have been sold), i'd expect the R3 to release mid June

Is Ryzen even worth considering now that we know that AMD fucked up hard with the CCX modules? Even the R5 series are going to have 3+3 and 2+2 CCX modules meaning they are going to have the same shitty low bandwidth problem that cannot be fixed because it's a hardware limitation. Sure you can slap some high speed memory on your board which will partially fix the problem but not completely.
Knowing all this, why would you as a gaymer still consider Ryzen? I'm not trying to troll or bait I am seriously asking as someone who wants to build a new gaming PC in the next few months,

>>59625501
>Is Ryzen even worth considering now
yes.
>now that we know that AMD fucked up hard with the CCX modules
but they didnt

>why would you as a gaymer still consider Ryzen?
because it's almost the same performance as Intel for much cheaper.

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wtf is wrong with ram. 30% increase in prize over the last couple months? will they drop or keep going up?

>>59625501
>Is Ryzen even worth considering now that we know that AMD fucked up hard with the CCX modules?

Why don't you just wait a couple weeks to find out? I think it's going to be fine, just lacking a bit of ST performance compares to Kaby Lake.

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1700 or wait for the 1600x?

Although I do some light video editing and Adobe work having a higher stock speed with the 1600x seems like a bit of a advantage for playing games.

Also are Gigabyte mobos considered good?

>>59625516
factory burned down. probably keep increasing now that ryzen is out and the demand for DDR4 is up.

>>59625525
wait. yes.

>>59625516
Phones, also lots of people building new computers. More demand than supply. Funny that Ryzen brings cheaper CPU's, but the surge of people adopting will raise the prices of other components. You just can't win.

>>59625546
would you recommend buying now? I will not build my computers for many weeks though...

>>59625546
Cool, grazie.

>>59625549
>You just can't win.

Same in my country. They tell us to consume less energy. We do that, what do they do? They raise the energy costs so they get their money back.

>>59625561
i cant honestly say.

>>59625571
Let me guess, Canada?

I know that feel.

>>59625417
Unfortunately I don't get along with my family and most of my friends are well off enough where I feel comfortable/ok asking them to lend me money.

>>59625429
Let me go live with you so I can get on your welfare. I promise not to be lazy.

>>59625335
Cheap RX470 price or less.

DDR4 3400 with 16-18-18-38 Latency

or

DDR4 3200 with 14-14-14-34 Latency ?

>>59625617
aren't well*

>>59625525
For gaming? 1600X seems like it's going to be by far the best performance/$ cheap that's also decently futureproof and still good for multitasking.

For workstation? 1700.

And yes it seems like only Asus is having problems. People are seemingly loving the ASRocks and apparently the B350 Tomahawk is great as well.

>>59625561
It won't be until Spring that DDR4 prices drop, I believe.

>>59625625
the cheaper one.

>>59625625
The later, duh. 8.75 vs 9.411 is almost 1ns difference.

Whoever makes these fucking threads needs to put the formula for calculating latency in the damn OP.

For Ryzen, higher speed but higher latency can be beneficial to increase interconnect speeds, but I don't think so when there's that big a difference in latency.

>>59625513
>Same performance
>Much cheaper
You're joking right? Even de 1800X doesnt compare to the 7700K in gaming benchmarks, especially in DX12 games where the 1800X shits itself completely which is because of the CCX problem since workload is more evenly spread across the cores making the bandwidth latency very noticeable. And since we are moving towards more DX12 and Vulkan games this problem is going to be more a concern as we go on.
So again, why would I buy a Ryzen CPU knowing all this? Because Ryzen 5 is most definitely going to suffer from the same problem.

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>>59625726
go look at simulated R5 tests. the sub $200 ryzen chips compete very good in most games with i5 and even i7

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qbn8sJ

Not sure about this. Already have a gaming rig running 1080p at 144hz/fps quite smoothly and not sure if this rig is able to do the same at 1440p. However, my budget is pretty much this. What do you guys think?

>>59625843
i5 and 1070 will most likely struggle to run stuff at 1400p@144

>>59625860
will an i5 & 1080 do the trick maybe? Am willing to spend a few bucks extra if that will do it

>>59625891
the better GPU you have the more frames you will get and the more the CPU will be strained. you want an i7 if you want to be sure to get the framerate for 144hz

>>59625784
I sure hope it's gonna be as good as this simulated test anon. I am so tired of Intel but the Ryzen 7 benchmarks have got me skeptical.

>>59625921
Damn. Thought i read the real-world difference between the i5 and i7 was almost 0 when looking at gaming. But thanks for the input anon!

>>59625891
You could if you had a 7600K and OC'd that bitch, but a regular i5 7500 won't be enough for 144hz.

>>59625944
that's because you're just as retarded as the intel fanboys for comparing a workstation cpu vs a mainstream cpu in non-threaded tasks.

>>59625957
it's not, but it's highly dependant on the games you play. but more and more games can see benefits with more cores/threads to help prevent dropping frames in intense gameplay where lots of shit happens.

you should really check out some benchmarks for the two CPUs you're considering and the 1070 vs 1080 specifically for 144hz 1440p, there's plenty of them out there.

>>59625975
I do have the 7600K.

>>59625999
Thanks, will do!

>>59625999
Unlike AMD which was proudly prancing their 1700X vs the 7700K in BF1 benchmarks at tech conferences and calling it the next CPU for gamers right? :^)
You don't get to market it as the next solution for gaming but when it shits the bed say BUT MUH WORKSTATION CPU

Am I missing something? Why r5 for gaming? Isn't the r5 1600k similar to the r7 1700 with less cores/threads?

>>59626003
Then there is no problem, OC that bitch to 4.6-4.8 and you will be good to go.

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>>59626070
>notdisshittoagen.anime
they marketed it as a "prosumer" chip that was excellent for work AND good at gaming. "AND" being the keyword here.
R7 competes mainly with intel X99 which is workstation-tier.
R5 will compete in the mainstream bracket with i5 and i7.
R3 is budget bracket vs i3.

You can keep using retarded flawed logic and pitting one bracket against another but it doesnt change the fact Ryzen is good for gaming for cheaper than Intel.

>>59626088
Yes, R5 costs much less than R7. You don't need 8 cores for gaymen.

>>59625784
>not comparing to the 7350k, 7500, and 7600k.

Seriously, fuck Linus, and fuck you dumb fucks that shill for him.

>>59625944
The 1600X isn't going to beat the 1800X in games.

It's just going to perform 95% as well on average for half the cost.
Which means it'll be better than the 7600k and other i5s on average. The only thing better than it on average will remain to be CPUs like the more expensive 7700k, 1800x, 6900k.

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>>59626327
That just makes it worse cus you can OC every Ryzen CPU.

>>59625501
You're over exaggerating the issue. Ryzen are still very powerful chips, similar to i5 level of ipc.
i5 ipc on 8 cores is beastly. You might consider Ryzen trash, but they aren't. A gamer would consider a Ryzen if he wants a fuckton of headroom to multitask while having a game running.
I personally run GTA V alongside emulators (wii u / wii) or other games (dmc4) and play those during loading times
I doubt a 7700k would handle that

>>59625843
>intel
>2017

don't even bother with that shit

>>59626141
This picture sums up well how modern games simply need 8 threads if you want around 100fps minimum in most of them.

The only difference between the 7600k and 7700k there is HT, which accounts for a massive difference in both averages and the differnce between the minimum and average.

Spending $150+ for a 4 thread CPU is mind numbingly retarded and the whole i5-7400, 7500, 7600k, etc, shouldn't exist.
The sole reason they /do/ exist is that a great many peoples' stupidity creates a market for them which allows Intel to charge even more for the 7700k.

Benchmarks for many other games look similar now days.

>>59626365
Much better.

I've seen these before. But yeah, fuck Linus.

Can't wait to get my 1600X.

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>>59626464
>>59626488
yep

even funnier is it was an intel shill that linked this video and only one of 4 games had intel come out on top

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>>59626508
The other thing is that I bet in many of these games like BF1, the 7600k is at 98-100% utilization on all 4 threads while the 1600X I doubt is over 85%, given how it looks when you compare the 7700k and 1800X in that game.


Getting that good of FPS while being poorly utilized means you'll more often still get that same performance with stuff running in the background rather than a sterile benchmarking environment, and shows the overhead left for more performance as well once it's actually utilized well.

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why are sata SSDs as expensive as M.2 ones?
I bought a sata one I thought this fancy PCI stuff would be hella expensive I didn't even look at it...

now my upgrade feels bittersweet

>>59626565
it also helps prevent frames from dropping in intense situation

>>59626578
you're looking at it the wrong way. m.2 is as CHEAP as SATA SSDs.

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Will my build work? I've already ordered a few things

>>59626622
shitty bait

>>59626622
yes, you buy now

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>>59626622
>1500 dollars of gaymer brand ram
>30 dollar gpu
>1600w psu

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>>59622558
R8 or H8 my do everything build /g/ents.

>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Z9nyRG

Anything your PC can do, my PC can do better.

It just works.

>>59626878
stop feeding the troll, you fucking retard.

>>59626909
but then i wouldn't have a reason to post my funny meme

>>59626921
You don't get comment karma here, stop posting fucking shit

>>59626885
Looks good. Buy two.

How does this look for a modest casual gaming and home-working PC?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VQgFyf

I just want to be able to play some newer titles if I want and I primarily work from home - 3 days at home 2 in office but nothing demanding. Mostly just emails and various mailing software that is slow no matter what computer it's on since my work's network & ftp the software goes through is shit.


I'm currently on a pretty antique build I did many years ago, can't even remember.
>AMD Phenom II 965 3.4ghz
>Gigabyte 890 FXA Mobo
>4gb 1333mhz Kingston DDR3 ram
>320GB WD HDD
>WD 1TB HDD(will move to new build)
>XFX 8800GTS
>650W XFX PSU

basically at this point far outdated for anything modern & demanding but still quick enough to play some current games on low settings but it has been showing its age the last 3-5 years.

>>59626885
>64gb
you're not even putting effort into your bait, are you

kys~

>>59627421
Mobo needs BIOS update before it can use that CPU and you cant update without a CPU installed in most boards. Change to B250 chipset.
Keep the PSU from your old PC and save some money.

>>59627437
stop feeding the troll you retarded cunt

>>59627562
:D

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first time builder (from scratch anyway) here.
Would anyone care to rate my potential rig?

It'll primarily be used for music / image / some video production and college stuff, that's why its set up for minimal noise and maximum futureproofing and upgradability.
Thoughts?

Music equipment is primarily external btw in case anybody was wondering.

>>59627682
forgot to mention:
Austriafag here
Budget is around 1.100 €

>>59627682
au.pcpartpicker.com

>>59627724
>Austria
>Australia
choose one.
We get mixed up a lot though no worries.

>>59627682
why a used 770 and not something newer?

>>59627682
case is subjective so check out some alternatives in the same price range.
fan grills???????
you might be able to get intel m.2 ssd twice the size for a little under €200, but not sure if available in europe.
you dont need power adapters because the PSU includes the right ones.
and SATA cables come with the motherboard.
Wait until next month before you buy, prices might drop when AMD release Ryzen 5.
Get 3000MHz RAM, it makes a difference and should be almost the same price.
that 770 gpu will choke the fuck out of your CPU. replace ASAP.

How does something like this look?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GWddwV
Would be adding a ryzen 5 when they're released next month, probably a 1400 or 1500x

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FR92f8

Intended use: Low Poly shenanigans in unreal engine 4 + Overwatch

r8

>Noctua NH-D15 SE-AM4 (165mm Height)
>be quiet! Pure Base 600(cpu cooler max height 165mm)
Anyone know if this will actually fit or is it gonna be to big

>>59627812
because I'm on a seriously tight budget and only rarely use my pc for rendering and gaming.
I'm thinking I can upgrade in a year or so, maybe when the prices of 980s or 1070s fall a bit.
I currently use a 550ti so I don't have a ton of requirements in terms of GPU. As long as it does 2 screens its fine.

>>59627833
>fan grills???????
I'm worried about dust, sorry if I'm being a faggot but it's actually a big problem with my current devices.

Thanks a ton for the input, I'll look into all these things!
Unfortunately that particular motherboard doesnt support 3000MHz RAM, but I heard the difference isn't that noticable, and since I just need it for Adobe CC, Ableton Live and Office I didn't think it would be an issue. Does it make that much of a difference?

>>59627910
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kPWzsJ

Forgot to add the powah supply

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Any first time builders who want some advice, I just got through with my first build and I can give you the lessons of my 'very' stupid errors.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3v92f8

Planning on building this this summer when I get a job, so I'll probably change the CPU/mobo to account for Ryzen 5. Also, is this Seasonic PSU really worth the extra 20 dollars? I saw some people talking shit about EVGA, but I don't know if that's just bait.

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Daily reminder to avoid the 7700K. I had to delid the fucker and get a Kraken just for this.

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I'm new to PC building, and PC parts and specs in general. I would like a gaming PC that will consistently run current games at 1080p/60fps. What would the cons be for this build in the link, and would there be a cheaper replacement for some parts while maintaining graphical fidelity?

http://pcpartpicker.com/guide/Bkyp99/excellent-gaming-build

>>59628969
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b7QcPs

My birthday is coming up and I'm gifting myself a new PC. Any advice?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nNH7gL

>>59629031
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nNH7gL
SEVEN 120mm fans? Jesus, are you building a PC or a hovercraft? How loud (and neon blue) do you want your shit to be?
Other shits okay I guess

>>59629009
Thanks, you're a hero. Last step is finding a good monitor, wish me luck

>>59628969
>>59629009
I'm the guy who originally made that parts picker. I was just making various common sense changes. Shitty SSD brand. Shitty ram. Stupid tower.

I'm curious if you are even aware the CPU you have is for overclocking and thus your motherboard is too? If you went stock you would save a more money.

>>59629031
You don't need 7 case fans, and there are definitely better cases out there.

>>59628802
>5.2ghz
>"just"
lol 5.2ghz pleb

where the 6.6fags at?

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/83stqk

First build so I planned to not spend that much (I'd say 1300 € in the most extreme case).My idea is to buy this as base and upgrade it in the medium/long term.

I want a PC to play games smoothly with somewhat good graphics and maybe start learning modelling/SFM.
Aside for that, ArcGIS and video edition programs are worth mentioning due to requirements (but because of my previous requirement those might work well in that build, right?)

>>59629125
Oh, that's funny. I'm aware, and I figured I'd prefer the possibility of overclocking eventually, when it inevitably starts falling behind on newer games. I'd prefer that to saving money, because it'd keep me from buying new parts for longer. Thanks for the tips

>>59629188
If you are building something to
>upgrade it in the medium/long term.
Then maybe, just maybe, don't go with a dead socket that has no upgrade path like LGA1151?

The likelihood that had Coffeelake 6 cores will work on a Z270 motherboard and that there will be a BIOS flash for them is pretty much zero.

Either get the upcoming X299 and 7740K or AM4 and the 1600X.

>>59629092
The case has enough for 7, so I figured more would be better.

>>59628969

Made a few changes. Far better performance at nearly the same price

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3yJgNN

>>59629181

That's got nothing to do with anything. You need to delid every single 7700K to get decent temps at any speed.

>>59629358
>paying over $150 for a CPU and buying an cheaped-out expensive motherboard chipset and all you have to show for it is only 4 threads of stutterfest

Stopped reading there. Can't help you.

>>59629351
Alright, how about this?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xbM4m8

>>59629519
I'm the guy who posted the original build. Which of the 3 that replied to >>59628969
is optimal?

>>59629254
>upgrade it in the medium/long term.
>Then maybe, just maybe, don't go with a dead socket that has no upgrade path like LGA1151?
For what I have searched it seemed like there were even compatible parts for the that were even better that the ones I chose (specially in terms of graphics card).

Also, would changing the type of socket affect the entire build or just a few components like processor+motherboard? Because just looking at the processor options they are more expensive and have less although, I don't know if the greater number of cores overshadows that.
So I don't know if it's better to keep it as it is and buy future processor+motherboard later or just go with the sockets you mentioned from the start.

hey guys i have about $1200 to spend on a computer. should i just buy every part listed on Logical Increments's "outstanding" tier?

also is there any point in building a computer above "exceptional" for gaming?

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is this still accurate?

>>59629624
>also is there any point in building a computer above "exceptional" for gaming?
If you want 144hz at 1440p+, sure

>>59629566
They're all bad.

Get a G4560 and a <$70 motherboard if all you need is 60fps
If you don't think the G4560 is good enough, wait for Ryzen 5s so you can get 1500X or 1600X which outperforms the 7600k for less in almost everything and is way more efficient and future proof on the AM4 socket instead of the EoL LGA1151

Can't really recommend any i3 or i5 for anyone unless they really can't wait T W O F U C K I N G W E E K S for R5s to come out because some terrible super villian is going to kill their grandmammy they love so much if they don't get a new PC immediately.

>>59629583
You're limited to getting a USED 7700k that you can't overclock on that motherboard as the best upgrade. You can't upgrade to the Coffelake 6 cores. You obviously can't upgrade to the socket 2066 (iirc) X299 CPUs either.

If you were hoping to upgrade to an i5-7500 or something, which sure would be like a +50% upgrade in many games, after its price drops.. probably not happening? The i5-6500 still costs $190, which is the same that an i5-7500 costs over a year later.

If your situation is really that you want a 7700k but can't afford it now, shouldn't you be getting a Z270 motherboard?

>>59629642
>is this still accurate?
Obviously not.
The prices have change dramatically for many of those which changes how much of a good value they are and where they place.

Did anyone notice that /v/ pc building thread?
jesus christ

>>59629784
Yeah.

>i5-7600k doesn't support 3000MHz
Someone better tell him it technically doesn't support 2666mhz either. Fuck those idiots.

>>59629784
>>59629804
Link?

>>59629784
Hehe I was the one who posted the build that set people off there. You guys were more helpful, thanks for the advice kek

What's a decent LGA1151/7700K motherboard that has a PS/2 port for a mechanical keyboard?

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Please rate

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mwM4m8

gpu will be asus strix 1080 ti

>>59629859
The refresh rate on the monitor is absurd. I personally would go for the 165hz 1440p monitor instead.

>>59629804
Whoever posted https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b7QcPs was retarded as well though, all they did was take a shit build at >>59628969 and just boosted the price with it by putting better RAM and a sort-of less shittier storage on it.

>>59629838
>>>/v/372094514
It's towards the end.

>>>/v/372129207
That's what started it. Fixed the parts list just a bit and somehow set off a big argument.

>>59629859
>1080p monitor
>not 1920x1200 or 1440p
>meme cooler
gross

But otherwise fine.

>>59629859
For HDDs I don't find anything less than 5TB enough space anymore.

>>59629744
>Ryzen 5s
I hadn't looked into it, thanks for that. I'll be building it over the next couple months. So I take it any builds I find are bad? They all seem semi-outdated or otherwise. I just want consistent ultra settings, 1080p/60fps on a 144hz monitor

>>59629859
>240hz monitor
W e ' r e r e a c h i n g l e v e l s o f a u t i s m t h a t s h o u l d n ' t b e p o s s i b l e

>>59629892
I did that. All I was trying to do was a quick fix to keep him from wasting his money on that worthless tower and cooler and buying that complete shit storage. I didn't change his base performance needs. I have no idea why people were acting like I just made up a new build on the spot.

Is EATX a meme?

What is a good entry 1440p monitor?

>>59629930
>>59629892
The price is less btw. Not sure why you said it was more. I saved him money and got shitted on for it. Thanks /v/.

when should you worry that something's been lost in the mail?

I've had most of my parts sitting around for almost a week collecting dust while my RAM sits in limbo between DHL eCommerece and USPS and I'm not entirely sure when is a good time to start filing to locate / complaints. I'm not even sure how long USPS SHOULD have had my RAM.

>>59629952
I've had things not show up for 2 months. But thats only been with USPS

>>59629744
well shit. is there an updated list then?

i'm not familiar with PC parts, but my goal is to get a pc capable of playing VR smoothly, and recent PS4 games on max settings with 90+ FPS. $1200 should be enough right?

>>59629921
Yes. Any i3/i5 build is truly awful and a complete and total waste of money by any measurement.

Only Intel CPUs worth getting anymore out of their hundreds of models are the G4560/6600/7700/6700k/7700k.

Every range in between there, Ryzen takes a dump on with more efficiency, better performance/$, and better absolute performance.

>>59629947
god damn I got the links messed up
either way, bandage for a turd

>>59625516
Price fixing on top of high demand.

I assume the knowledge on server hardware and server motherboards here is limited, right?

>>59629972
Can you explain, in practical terms, why a 7700k is better than a 7600k? Keep in mind the 7700k is $100 more expensive and performance needs to reflect that.

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>>59629362
not that bad

unless you got an extra heat source in the room ;)

>>59629969
if that turns out to be the case I'm just going to return it if it doesn't show up by Saturday this week and go out to Microcenter instead

>>59629977
I'll admit that. But having multiple retards tell me the RAM was incompatible with his CPU really triggered me.

>>59624312
You can, but no over-clocking, or else you'll bake it.
Tuh huh huh huh

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This is what x370 prices look like in Canada

About $100 USD more expensive than in the states across the board.

Who the fuck is gonna pay $500 for a motherboard?

>>59630044
kek

>>59630058
what website is best for buying best prices for canadians?

Will the next generation of intel chips finally increase PCI lanes from 16?

>>59629970
It's impossible to make an accurate list like that which isn't a web app that constantly checks prices...

Sales come and go by the keep. Sometimes you can get an RX470 or 1050Ti for $110. Sometimes you can get an RX480 for $150. When that happens, it completely messes up the list.

The best way to shop for a PC is to not need one immediately and grab parts that are crazy good deals. Like I just got 32GB of DDR4 for $135 a few weeks ago even though I'm waiting for Ryzen and Vega which are weeks away. I got a $42 M12II Seasonic 620 as the one component missing build a new PC to sell to someone on craigslist once that comes as well, even though I can't do that until my other new parts come too.

A like $800 PC, if you just grabbed parts all in one day without watching for sales, would probably cost you $650-$700 if you watched for flash sales instead.

>>59630014
Hyperthreading...?
See: >>59626508 >>59626365 >>59626141
At the same exact clocks ,with the only difference between hyperthreading, in games released the past 2 years hyperthreading gives on average a 30%+ minimum framerate improvement. There's some cases where it's even over a 50% improvement with minimum frames.
Given that it costs less than 50% more, a 50% increase in minimum frames is certainly worth it. Especially when it's a 50% increase in minimum frames for roughly the same power usage and heat output.

Hyperthreading allows the FPU and AGUs and so on to keep working on another thread when another thread is blocked waiting to finish.

While the 6700/6700l/7700/7700k are absurdly overpriced, paying $300+ for them when they actually do perform well still makes more sense than spending $150+ for a 4c/4t that barely performs better than a $65 G4560.

But frankly? Don't ask me to justify $100 price increase of a 7700k over a 7600k when you can't justify the $185 price increase of the 7600k over the G4560. That's worse, and why me and others tell people to stay away from i5s.

>>59630125
Shit, more than a $185 price increase considering you're talking $110+ for a Z270 versus $40-$70 for a G4560 motherboard.

So really at least a $225 price difference.

Also, it's likely that many of those games were GPU limited with the 7700k and really it would go even higher still than the 7600k if not for that.

A
>30% increase in 0.1%-1% minimum framerates
is being really modest when it comes to most 2015+ games and some older ones as well.

>>59630125
Dual cores are cheap as shit now but I disagree with saying quads are barely better than their respective dual counterparts.

>>59630125
>Sales come and go by the day*

Whats the next gen of Intel? I was hearing about x299 but I'm not sure

>>59630216
11nm fabrication, architecture will probably remain the same though.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FTHqXH

How's this for a gaming rig? 1440p at 60fps would be nice. Is the CPU powerful enough? Don't really care if the i7s are 200 dollars more expensive but would give me 30fps more as long as I get my stable 60.

>>59630198
Look at the benchmarks posted earlier.

The 4c/4t 7600k at same clocks was only on average about 25% better than the 2c/4t 7350K.
The 7350K overcloked to 4.8Ghz and costing like $200 more (difference in motherboard and cooler) than the 3.5Ghz G4560 is not pictured there, but it's about another 30-35% increase.

The G4560 is sufficient for 60fps currently.

If you need better, you should be looking at a 7700k or Ryzen 5, not the i3s and i5s.

>>59630216
X299 for the 7740k and HEDT Skylake-X and Kabylake-X.

Coffeelake which is still a secret what chipset and socket it'll be, which will be mainstream 6core (so, basically the 8700k is going to be a 6 core if they don't change their naming scheme).
It may still be LGA1151 but I doubt a BIOS flash will make Z270 boards compatible with Coffeelake.

>>59630258
Can you read the fucking posts to see your same shit has been gone over 10 times already?
Wait for Ryzen 5s.

The i5-7500 is just throwing away money by comparison and doesn't compete at all.

>>59630058
wait, if its more expensive in canada, why dont you just buy it from US amazon?

I want a smol PC case for my build.

What is your favorite smol case that is also quiet and stays free of dust buildup?

>>59630258
>>59630298
Also those Corsair CXM PSUs are dogshit.

Get a Seasonic or Rosewill. As far as cheaper PSUs go, they're the best.

>>59630324
they usually don't ship to canada

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how'd i do?

(no storage because that's already taken care of.)

aware PSU is overkill, b&h only sold the ti in a bundle and they don't charge tax in CA so why not.

>>59630298
>>59630284
If I would have known G4560 was good enough I would have chose it. Nobody posted 1440p benchmarks.

>>59630336
Got it. Thanks.

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>>59622558
>>Consider using an i5 6500/7500 in any RX470/480 or GTX 1060 tier build.
No wonder there's all these faggots thinking a i5 is still worth getting.
It's because OP is a fag, too.

>>59630362
>toasty ryzen
>mid ATX with meme glass

quality cooling awaits you.

>>59630390
would do a loop but im absolutely terrified of fucking it up.

>>59630365
Umm CPU doesn't really care about resolution.
60fps is 60fps. The CPU isn't drawing more fucking pixels, the GPU is.

The G4560 is fine if you just want 60fps 1440p.
However, there are games now days where it will NOT get 60fps minimum in, and barely averages 60. If you can't handle dropping under 60 ever, especially as newer and more strenuous games come out, then wait for Ryzen 5. A 1400 or 1500X is well worth the cost increase, unlike the i5-7500 or i3-7300

>>59630362
Looks good, except...
...people really seem to be having problems with the Crosshair. Why not just get a $185 Taichi instead that seems to be getting really rave reviews? Or an Aorus.
...why the oversized PSU? Get a 620W-750W one. For that money, you might even be able to go more efficient and fanless.

>>59630455
Sorry I'm not very tech-savvy. What you said about the CPU/GPU makes sense. I will wait for the Ryzen.

>>59630455
because both are out of stock.
crosshair is the only board i've seen hit 3600 ram speeds as well. taichi looks nice but ASRock boards are the only ones that have no eta. might go with a K7 if i can find one.

PSU + Ti bundle cost as much w/o tax as it would to buy them individually anywhere else, with a lesser PSU so I just went with it.

>>59630508
Have you tried and actual store? They seem to have them in stock much better and more variety.

>PSU + Ti bundle cost as much w/o tax as it would to buy them individually anywhere else, with a lesser PSU so I just went with it.
Makes sense. Didn't see any discount for that there since $700 is the normal 1080Ti founder's edition price and $135 seems around normal for a 850W PSU.

>>59630476
Ryzen 5 is a meme. Don't fall for it. Unless AMD fixes ram support to go past 3200 so CCX actually does something, Ryzen will make absolutely no sense compared to an i5 74/500.

This is assuming all you're doing is vidya.

>keep getting bluescreens when WoW is open
>run chkdsk, its fine
>run memtest, its fine
>systematically take out RAM, it still bluescreens
>fresh install of windows
>update BIOS
>new drivers
>all windows updates
>no hardware problems evident
>still bluescreens

what do i do

>still bluescreens

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EMERGENCY
G403 WIRELESS OR G PRO

>>59630476
The G4560 isn't bad, mind you.

A 1400+motherboard is going to be around $170+$90
while the G4560+motherboard would be ~$65+$70

So the G4560 is definitely cheaper. But it's also less than half as powerful.

Whereas your build is $190+$35+$108 for cpu+cooler+motherboard and much slower than the 1400.
The 1400 is worth spending more than the G4560 for. The i5-7500 is not. That does not make the G4560 bad for the money, it's absolutely not, it's just the i5-7500 that is.

>>59630592
This guy is retarded and just spouting other things he heard but doesn't actually understand.

>>59630562
Not a single place within 25 miles of me that I could find has any other than that one shit Asus Prime board. One place has the MSI Titanium but I'm not down to pay 299 for something that doesn't even have proper LLC or any BCLK lol.

>>59630434
go full tower and enjoy the space and cools

luckily phanteks offer quality options in this size too.

holy shit
I just got my hands on a box of Super Flower Leadex's
like a big fucking cardboard box just filled with them, for free
will deliver pictures when I get home

>>59630603
Try downgrading your drivers

>>59630655
downloading old gpu driver now, thanks

>>59630634
Ah. Yeah the MSI Titanium sucks. Which is funny, since the cheap B350 Tomahawk seems fantastic.

Retard-tax, I guess.

Well good luck with the Crosshair not bricking and getting the memory issues sorted on it. It's not like you can't RMA it, so it's not as big as deal as many people make it out to be. And many seem to be recovering from bricks fine.

>>59630603
Would help if we knew what was causing the blue screens. Run http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html and post results.

Coffeelake (iirc) when is supposed to launch? Q4, 2017? Q1,2018?

>>59630592
>Unless AMD fixes ram support to go past 3200 so CCX actually does something
That's completely irrelevant to my needs as a gamer. I don't need more than 2666 ram let alone 3200. Intel still lists their specs on ram as 2400 btw kek.

>>59630615
>motherboard
Better to future proof that though, isn't it? That's not something you want to change a lot. Could I use the G450 on the same motherboard I had?

i have the choice of buying rx 480 or GTX 1070. what should i pick?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kPWzsJ
Tear me a new asshole

>>59630732
1070 hands down. The 480 is roughly on-par with the 1060 for slightly cheaper but the 1070 blows them both out of the water.

>>59630726
Have you been living under a rock. Ram speed is entirely relevant, almost required in my (retarded) opinion. Seen people going from sub 7700k performance with 2133 to on par, even beating in some cases when paired with 3600.

>>59630769
Did I mention 2133? I said 2666. Personally, I'll be fine with 3000.

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>>59630615
>dual core
>any year after 2012
>isn't bad

your mid range shitphone probably has more cores.

Will chilled water cooling help me clock to 5GHZ?

>>59630790
You havent been looking at benchmarks. It is blowing comparable quads out of the water

It's better than the fx6300 and it's $60

>>59630726
Futureproof to WHAT? The highest you can go is a 7700k if you get a Z270, which will never drop in price much.
I thought this when I got my i5-2500k, but by the time the 4770k came around which was a nice upgrade, I would have needed a new motherboard. It wasn't worth it to just get a i7-3700k or something, at the time. When it became worth it, it was too late.
So I decided fuck it, and was stuck with a 2500k until this day before AMD has finally come to save me with Ryzen 5.

Intel changes sockets every 2 years. This is likely the last time LGA1151 is going to be used.
Coffeelake will likely be a new socket. If it's not, it'll surely be a new chipset that Z270 won't just BIOS flash to.
HOW THE FUCK IS THIS NEW TO ANYONE? Intel has been fucking people over with this for like 9 years running. A new fucking socket every year or two.

It's not like AM4 where you can get a 4core on it and in 2-3 years get a higher clocking 8 core on the 7nm process with the same motherboard. And the $90 motherboards allow overclocking.

>>59630732
R9 Fury or 1070 is a better comparison. In that case, R9 Fury.
RX480 is only worth if if you get it for under $180, imo.

>>59630749
Looks good except...
...Cheap EVGA's suck ass. Get Seasonic or Rosewill when it comes to $40-$70 PSUs.
...$170 for an RX470 is a lot. I've seen those as cheap as $110. You can get an RX480 for that.

>>59630790
And a G4560 outperforms the Snapdragon 835's 8 cores. So why's that matter?
It's pretty on par with the FX-8350 in most games.

For its price, the G4560 is great. It's the i3s and i5s that are a terribly shitty value.

So, poorfag here. Wanting to upgrade my 1155 socket mobo and these two options are local.

Gigabyte z77x-UD3H for 80 bucks
Asus Maximus V Extreme for 200.

And should I get a second r9 280x toxic for 135, or a r9 fury for 175?

>>59630725
CFL is Skylake Pt. 3
Intel has nothing relevant until 2019.

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>>59630732
Always go with Nvidia.

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>>59630827
I have a 150$ giftcard to bestbuy that factors into my budget of 500$

Best Buy is an absolutely SHIT retailer so I figured the GPU would be the best bet to get there and it would essentially just be free. Anyone have any better suggestions?

>>59630849
delet

>>59630813
>It's better than the fx6300

Wow. So it's better than a 5 year old CPU that wasn't even that good when it was new?

You should go into marketing and sales

>>59630849
what, no. Go with best girl, amd.

>>59630769
>Ram speed is entirely relevant
for exactly what are we talking about here

>>59630960
Memory speed is actually the bottleneck for most software.

>>59630694
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>>59630865
>I have a 150$ giftcard to bestbuy
i would buy some 1 month WoW subscription cards and sell them on ebay for a 5% loss.

>>59630865
Bestbuy is fine. Have them price match from Newegg or Amazon or something and then you're golden.

>>59630827
You seem to know what you're talking about. I'm still on the fence with AMD vs. Intel because AMD has a tendency to fuck up. And I'd hate to be stuck with their motherboard as a paperweight if I have to upgrade. I also hate Intel fucking me over.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2HWJ2R

Cheap CPU + MB. I'll have to upgrade both eventually, but I won't be out as much - especially if AMD keeps its act together. I also fixed my power supply.

>>59630980
I highly doubt 2x8 3000mhz RAM is a bottleneck for gaming.

>>59630694
>>59630988
Actually after posting this I saw "Caused by Driver" which I had never seen before, googled it, might unplug CD drive and see what happens. RAM is not issue unless they're both damaged (how likely would this be?) and CPU isn't overclocked.

>>59630988
HDD issue

Check all the cables are good and secured.

NH-U12S is $80 and 212 evo is only $40. is it worth it? do heat sinks have much of a difference?

>>59631011
for ryzen, ram speed is a bottleneck for everything considering that you're essentially defining how fact the two clusters can actually share data.

>>59630988
yarr the drives are fucked

>>59631042
In gaming? Not at 3000mhz. End of story.

>>59631026
>>59631051

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This one just came up after I unplugged CD Drive (which I didn't have drivers for).

SSD is about 8 months old. Fresh install of windows, drivers are all up to date.

Going to replace GPU driver with the one I was using when everything was fine for WoW 6 months ago, if that's not the case is it possible SSD is fucked?

I finished building my rig today and while I can get to BIOS fine, it freezes whenever i try to install an OS. Temps look normal. All fans running correctly. I'm using an USB drive to install and it works fine on my laptop.

Any idea what's fucked?

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>>59631002
...they pricematch newegg?

>>59631084
Pins? CPU? Memory? Storage? No idea.

>>59630838
Yeah I know but I wanna migrate to CF on my next build, thats why I'm asking a margin of dates

>>59631109
Yeah, the problem with Best Buy is that they often carry models that are specific to Best Buy. For example if you want to price match an EVGA GTX1060, you'll find that you won't find the exact same model that Best Buy carries anywhere else. The model numbers will always be slightly different. I ran into this with all kinds of shit. I ran into this with their receivers, laptops, and TVs. Eventually I decided to never bother with them again. It's a waste of time.

If I have a budget of 3.5K usd for a purely gaymen machine, what parts should I look for?
This includes the pc,mouse,kb,monitor, headphones,mic

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>>59631056
ok.

>>59631177
parts for a custom liquid cooling loop.

>>59631185
I can hear dram companies smiling already

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>>59631185

>>59622558
I have a question
My current internet speed for new pc in bedroom is 100mbps over netgear xet1001 powerline adapter. Its old and slow as fuck but its all i have for connecting to the router in the living room which runs gigabit to the pc right next to it.
My question is would it be better to get a newer powerline adapter that runs gigabit or a wireless card?

>>59631113
It was the memory. For some reason having both RAM sticks in made it crap out.

>>59631185
What exactly does this pic prove? 3000 isn't even listed and different CPUs are used.

3600 vs. 3200 gives a 5fps difference. Big fucking whoop? Now tell me how much more expensive 3600 is? Now with all that meme money you spent upgrading your RAM you could've gotten better performance from upgrading something else.

Fuck off

>>59631243
>using a powerline adapter

>>59631256
3000 -> 3600 is only about 20-40 more?
regardless my point wasn't cost, it was your statement that there's no bottleneck over 3000, because there clearly is.

>>59631277
proves that ccx depends on ram speed, and assuming ryzen 5 is ccx (which it will be), then the same rules apply.

>>59631277
>20-40 more
Once again, 3000 isn't listed. The difference between 3200 and 3600 (using the same CPU mind you) is 5fps on average. You BTFO yourself dumb ass.

>>59631299
I'm merely refuting your claim that there is no bottleneck with the ryzen arch lol. wether it's worth it or not is up for you to decide.

>>59631185
>tfw running 3 memory sticks at the moment
I have no intention to deck to an even number until I upgrade my mobo, but damn does it feel a bit depressing knowing I'm gimping myself.

>>59631185
it's worth nothing that this is not even taking into consideration that redstone 2 is a thing. scheduler policy change makes a huge fucking difference as well.

>>59631322
>5fps is a bottleneck
Top fucking kek. Do you know what a bottleneck is? It means holding EVERYTHING else back. If you were to slap a better GPU or CPU on those results then the FPS would go up. That means the ram isn't a bottleneck. It's just a small factor in the FPS. Your FPS will drop more just running around.

>>59631277
I assume that means a wireless cardl is better

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>>59631345

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alright, so this is going to be the first computer i ever build. is this good enough to run pretty much anything with 60+ FPS max settings, also VR?

need some critique please

>>59631365
this better not be usd

>>59631365
As long as you aren't going above 1440p yeah. But like it's been discussed earlier, that i5 is a massive rip off.

Also, get 2x8gb RAM. 8gb will soon not be enough.

>price
Better be in pesos or something.

>>59631365
put it in pcpartpicker

no point in having an 80 dollar cooler for a non K processor.

>>59631413
>>59631365
No point in a lot of that shit.

>140 dollar case
>190 dollar motherboard
>cooler period
>jew-5 quad lmao
>1070 is somehow 510 dollars
Is this aussie or what?

>>59631382
nah its CAD, 25% cheaper than USD

>>59631406
how come its a rip off? i picked it since its only like $20 more than the 7400
alright ill get the 16gb ram then

also not sure what the difference is between all the cases and heat sinks. i want the lowest noise possible, cant stand computer noise, so i picked the more expensive ones. good choices?

>>59631458
>how come its a rip off? i picked it since its only like $20 more than the 7400
Marginal improvements over Kaby Lake dual-cores at $200 more. You'll get 60fps with both but not for long (with both). If you want to future proof, and money isn't an option, get the i7s for $100 more.

Or you could wait for the new Ryzen's as a cheaper i5 alternative with better performance.

>cases
Design. Space. Wire management. Expensive cases are a meme. Don't spend more than 60 (80 for you?).

>noise
From what? Stock cooler on stock CPU. You don't need a CPU cooler unless you're overclocking. MSI's 1070s are fucking silent. Just make sure you assemble it right.

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Oh, R9 Fury is on sale for $215 for Newegg, guys.
That's 80-95% the 1070 performance for about 60-65% the price. About 55% the performance of the 1080Ti.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202186
$254 - $20 MIR - $20 Newegg Groupon discount that's going on.

>>59631109
Yeah. They price-match the big online retailers. They just won't pricematch some of those smaller shitty scam sites that put up fake prices a lot, which is reasonable.
Bestbuy can actually have the best deals because you combine a gift card discount + bestbuy sale + price match and you get stuff crazy cheap.

You just have to open up with customer service on their website.

>>59631529
>4gb VRAM
No.

>>59631519
thanks a lot for the info.

>>59631519
An $80 case in the US is like a $120 case in Canada.

>>59631529
>That's 80-95% the 1070 performance
You're thinking of the Fury X not the regular Fury.

>>59631458
All i3 and i5 are a ripoff.
The i7-7700k and i7-6700k is the only thing on that silicon that performs well enough to somewhat justify its price. Being the best for gaymen, it can cost whatever.
The i3 and i5s are hardly much better than the G4560 yet cost 200%-400% as much and generally need more expensive motherboards as well.

Either get a G4560, 6700k/7700/7700k, or wait 2 weeks for Ryzen 5s.

>>59631569
4GB of HBM is equivolent to 6GB-8GB of GDDR5X, you dumb shit.

Why the fuck you fucktards even both wasting space commenting when you have no clue what you're talking about?

>>59631620
The Fury X is only about 5% better than the Nano and Fury.

The Fury X is about 58% the performance of the 1080Ti, not 55%.

>>59631361
Unfortunately i dont have that option

>>59631632
Look I get that you don't like Nvidia, but the 1070 is much better than the Fury. Not 5-15%. That's a good deal on the Fury though, I'll admit.

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rate my build

>>59631710
(dedicated arcade game machine running barebones XP. got the thinkcentre for the cost of shipping from a business that didn't need it)

>>59631011
>You seem to know what you're talking about. I'm still on the fence with AMD vs. Intel because AMD has a tendency to fuck up.
That was like... 3 CEOs ago and a much different board that decided to fuck up with Bulldozer. Intel got lucky after a decade of being shit on by AMD.

You ever notice how the FX 8300 and 6300 were made over 4 years ago and there is no improved version and it's still the same thing sold today? Because AMD knew it was better to make something new, but they were locked in with shitty contracts that the board put through over 5 years ago and had to work off that.
It simply takes 3-4 years to make a new architecture like that, and it took years for it to be financial viable to change processes when contracts locked them in 32nm and 28nm while Intel was on 22nm.

AMD has always had immensely talented people.
AMD invented, or made mainstream, almost everything in use by intel CPUs today, other than Hyperthreading and AVX(which is just an evolution of what AMD started).
Bulldozer was a bad gamble that failed.

>>59631685
For 1440p at least, it seems to be. HBM and GCN both scale better with higher resolutions.

>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2HWJ2R
That build is pretty much ideal.

The 1070 will be bottlenecked by the g4560 in many games, but it's a good sort of build for incremental upgrades.
The best way to go is just upgrading the CPU say every 2-3 years, then the GPU after that. Or it used to be, before Intel started selling the same shit every year. But it looks like that'll be back again with AMD in the game again.

So if that's your budget, it's much better spending $950 for a 1070 and g4560 than a shit i5 with a 1060 or 480.
That gives you a build that's playable for anything now, but newer/upcoming games are going to be choked by your CPU before your GPU, so say 1-2 years or so you can get a new motherboard and CPU but your GPU and all else are probably still fine for 3-5 years.

>>59631762
>That was like... 3 CEOs ago and a much different board that decided to fuck up with Bulldozer
That's true. But they still need to gain that trust back. Ryzen is definitely a good start but I'm really hesitant on running a full AMD system. Either Intel and AMD or better yet AMD and Nvidia.

I think I will wait for the Ryzen and spend an extra ~250 for a much better CPU & MB build. At the very least, I will see if Intel lowers their prices to match competition (doubt). Buying a CPU right now just doesn't make sense until this Ryzen comes out, in what, two weeks?

>>59631685
To be fair, you can get ~10% anything off anything newegg

Groupon is selling $110 Newegg gift cards for $100.
And you get up to $30 off your first time with Groupon.

So if you buy 2 of those, it's $170 for $220 of Newegg gift cards. Or $75 for $110

You can use that for a 1070 or whatever as well, so it's more fair to say it's a $185 R9 Fury vs a $320 1070, right?

I think the 25% off first time customer groupon might not work for newegg though.. still +$10 for each $100 is great.
I'm about to try it.

>>59631737
I bought that exact same mounting bracket recently anon.

>>59631885
Also if you use Ebates on top of those deals... even less.

Or whatever Vega card comes out, if you're waiting for that. There's no real time limit other than buying the Newegg gift cards through ebates+groupon now then shopping through Newegg through Ebates.

But yeah, shit "Offer is not eligible for Groupon promo codes or other discounts." so no first time Groupon code. Still a good deal.

>>59631841
Extra $150*. Did my math wrong.

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Just passed 1700 in cinebench, R7 1700 3900mhz 1.40625V, 2133mhz CL11

Best part, $109 ASrock Fatal1ty K4 board, 6+3 phases

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>>59622558
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TLqrhq

How I do? I been saving up and finally of needing of a better computer from the shitty laptop and after saving up for 2 years, I'm finally consider get this

>>59632021
1.4v is a bit high for daily usage, imo, but it's your CPU.

But yeah, from what I've seen there's no reason to get an X370 unless you want SLI (why would you?), or some features like dual BIOS switches, etc.

The $90-$110 motherboards all seem good for 1.35-1.4v though you really ought to stick to 1.3-1.35v imo.

>>59631841
It won't be $250 more.

G4560+mobo = $65+$70 = $135
1400+mobo = $170+$90 = $260.
That's $125 more.

It's the same price as like an i5-7500 build except 20-35% better performance in most cases, especially if you factor in an overclock, and more power efficient.

Even compared to a 4.8Ghz overclocked $390 (mobo+cpu+cooler) i5-7600k, the $280 (mobo+cpu+cooler) 1500X at only 4Ghz is beating it in many, many games.
Not to mention what you save on electricity.

The i3s and i5s are a joke, and the Ryzen 7 is certainly not something you'd consider for "mid-range gaming", but the Ryzen 5s don't look like they're going to disappoint at all.


Just look for sales and throw together some discounts like Ebates and such than I mention, and really that much more powerful Ryzen 5 build will cost about the same.
Or you could just get the G4560 for cheaper, sure. If you're on a budget, go for it. Just upgrade to the 2nd or 3rd gen Ryzen later.

>>59632096
I heard some places are selling 1800Xs for $450 with a coupon code or something. I forget who or what code, though.

Your PSU is also overpowered. 750W is enough. Even 620W may be enough. Why not go for a fanless one?
Titaniums are nice, but fanless PSUs are generally roughly rated about the same.

And since you're spending so much for a monitor, why not wait for HDR10? Just use a left over one for now.

And why not 2x16GB of RAM? It's dual channel and you won't get 3200mhz with 4 sticks.

>>59632108
1.4V is just for benchmarking, just wanted to pass 1700, going to run at 1V 3000mhz for daily use most likely

I'm also only using the $25 Hyper T4 with MX-4, though the fan is a Venturi HP-14

The X370 Taichi and Gaming K7 have external BCLK for more extreme overclocking, also should support higher clocking RAM if you have Samsung B-die

As with this board I can't get past 2133mhz but at least I can lower my latency

>>59632108
>That's $125 more.
Yeah ~
>>59632012

I forgot to subtract the cost of the current build against the Ryzen. I'll also be going with a 1500x not the 1400. I enjoying emulation and the higher clockspeed will help.


The 1500x is well within my budget. As long as I stay below $1200 I am happy. Prefer lower $1100's.

>>59632096
>>59632151
Piggy backing on this guy:

Just wait for the Ryzen 5s. Those 7s are way too expensive to be worth it. Extremely unnecessary.

>quad channel
Nice meme. But just go dual channel.

>gpu
>ti
Psh. Nothing personnel, kid. Jealous m8 but why not get the regular 1080 and wait for Voltage which will be the same price as the 1080ti but way better? Unless you're gaming at 4k?

>OS
So you're not gaming? What exactly do you need all this power for?

>>59632162
Alright. Another $20 for the 1500x so about $145, yeah. About $150 like you mentioned >>59632012

>The 1500x is well within my budget. As long as I stay below $1200 I am happy. Prefer lower $1100's.
In that case, do what I said and watch for deals every day up until Ryzen 5 launches. You'll probably be able to find RAM for 20%+ cheaper during a limited sale, $30-$50 saved off a GPU, $10-$20 saved off a PSU, so on and so forth. By the time Ryzen 5 launches you just need the motherboard and CPU, and you've saved $100-$200 on the rest of your parts by buying piece by piece as there are deals.

If you want to be s u p e r a u t i s t i c stacking deals, you can actually get a 1080 for under $400 and still be in your budget.
Personally though? I'd just get a 1060 or RX480. Wait for Volta or Navi unless Vega really impresses.
Since the AM4 socket will be supported for 4+ years, it's going to be cheap to upgrade from a 1500X to a 6 or 8 core in 3-4 years since you won't need a new motherboard like you constantly do with Intel. Whereas you can upgrade from that cheap GPU to a Volta or Navi one which are probably going to be insane and good for 4k at 60-90fps with that 1500X.

The 1070, 1080, and 1080Ti seem really nice, but they're the last good cards of EoL architecture. They're like the 6970 to the upcoming 7970. Or 780 before then 980 dropped. The 6970 was good, but the 7970 was a total game charger.

>Those 7s are way too expensive to be worth it. Extremely unnecessary.
I wouldn't say the 7700 (non-k) or 6700k is not worth it, really. Those are a little over $300.
The 7700 is good and can be paired with a $70 motherboard. That's about $90 of savings over a k, the same price as a 7600k build. Most people aren't going to overclock and you get better performance out of a stock 7700 than you do out of a 5ghz 7600k (not to mention the electricity costs for a fucking 5Ghz 7600k)

You pay a premium for the absolute best performance in most current games.

>>59632151
>I heard some places are selling 1800Xs for
$450 with a coupon code or something. I forget who or what code, though.

I try to look into that I don't really mind saving $50 because I'm speading a shit ton of money into this

>Your PSU is also overpowered. 750W is enough. Even 620W may be enough. Why not go for a fanless one?

I plan to overclock the cpu and gpu, so may go beyond 700w so its good to have an extra 150w just in case, it won't go over and shorten the lifespan

>Titaniums are nice, but fanless PSUs are generally roughly rated about the same.

Fanless PSU are nice and may consider getting one instead but I do like efficiency for a longer lasting PSU

>And since you're spending so much for a monitor, why not wait for HDR10? Just use a left over one for now.

I may getting something better in the long run, I just put that 4k monitor has how much I'm willing to spend

>And why not 2x16GB of RAM? It's dual channel and you won't get 3200mhz with 4 sticks.

It's fine really, I don't see a use for DRAM over 3000mhz because I had use DDR3 SSDIMM before it just good for me

>>59632272
>>59632227
Oh, scratch that. You meant Ryzen 7s lol.

I think that person doesn't care what it costs.

If money is no object, the 1800X is a great buy.
It's still almost 1/3rd the cost for an 1800X+mobo than a 6900k+mobo.

Obviously the 1600X is WAY better value. 95% the performance on average in games for half the cost. Better than the 1700 in most games.
...But the 1800X is still simply better. It's the same thing like with the i7-7700. You pay a lot for that extra bit. Though in the case for Intel's, there's actually a huge jump in many games going from the i5-7600 to the i7-7700 since 4 threads is fucking shit.

>>59632272
>gpu
Wanna game gloriously like now. Don't want to wait a year for Volta.

>4k
Don't even have a monitor/TV for that yet. That's a whole nother ball game. For now 1080p to 1440p. In a few years, tops, I'll make the 4k transition.

>>59632305
I really don't plan playing vidya that much and plus the better cores on the 1800x helps for 3D rendering

>>59632331
>no vidya
Is that 1080 TI needed for 3D rendering?

>>59632304
A decent 750W rated PSU is going to be fine to 800W+...

Even at 1.35v on the CPU, that's what, like 225W worst case but more often more around 60-150W?
And the GPU, stock it's like 220W right? Overclocked like 280-320 depending on the OC?

Outside of the bugged Prime95 test, which has been fixed, I never saw Ryzen 7s pull many watts. They pull 25% less than the 7700k in gaming.

Like look I have an i5-2500k and 2 7970s.

I overclocked one 7970 from the 925mhz stock to 1325mhz. Still didn't break 500w total system usage. That was one of the most power hungry single GPUs either.
Bitcoin mining with TWO of them at most efficient clocks and volts, I didn't break 450w total system usage.

>>59632312
But the RX480 and 1060 will both play pretty much any game maxed at 1080p 60fps minimum.
Unless you're talking 1440p. Then okay, 1070 or R9 Fury for those.

Vega also might surprise and have a $350 card. It seems very, very, very likely and not much of a surprise if that happens.

>>59632331
Ya I figured. I was defending you there.

except..
>It's fine really, I don't see a use for DRAM over 3000mhz because I had use DDR3 SSDIMM before it just good for me
RAM speed matters more with Ryzen than Intel.
I still think you should get 2x16GB.. Just get some 2666 1.2v RAM if speed really doesn't matter, but get dual two sticks and not 4.

>>59632342
1080Ti are good for rendering.

>>59632368
>Unless you're talking 1440p
I am. I saw the difference between 1080p and 1440p. Now I can't go back.

Will be used solely for gaming at WQHD
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vppQNN

>>59632484
I'm assuming pricing isn't a factor...

>cpu
Overkill but you already knew that.

>cooler
If price isn't a factor, why not liquid cool?

>mb
Ok.

>RAM
Price isn't a factor, go for 2x16 at 3200?

>ssd
Why two? I get the 960 is faster but...

>fans
This many not needed.

>>59632162
Also if you do go Ryzen, you'll probably want to up to 3200mhz RAM. Particularly one that's actually validated to reach that with Ryzen.

>>59631885
>>59631980
The Ebates+Groupon thing worked.

There was a limit of 2 each of the $100+$10 gift cards, and $50+$5 ones. So it was $273 to get $330 of gift cards.
That should be enough for me to get my 1600X+motherboard but not quite enough for the cooler.

>>59632384
I never saw 1080p in personal use. That shit is garbage.
I had a 1600x1200, then moved to 1920x1200 from there.

>>59632484
Looks good, but as I said to the other guy, for that kind of money on a monitor I think you ought to wait for HDR10.

>>59632554
>If price isn't a factor, why not liquid cool?
Most AIOs are worse than a big air cooler. The ones that are better are still much noisier. They suffer from heat soak after long use.

AIOs are just a fucking meme.

>>59632554
The two SSDs is obviously to have the OS and maybe something extra on the M.2. 1TB NVME is silly expensive (not sure they actually exist? 500GB did last I checked).

You shouldn't criticize people's builds when you don't know shit, dude.

>>59632582
How about you go fuck yourself my man.

>>59632554
Yeah I know the i7 is overkill but atm have a i5 and really want to take the HT Train
>Price isn't a factor, go for 2x16 at 3200?
Cant justify that right know I know it isnt necessary for games
>If price isn't a factor, why not liquid cool?
Prefer a quieter heatsink, really dont want to have bad luck and get a noisy pump
>Why two? I get the 960 is faster but...
960 for bootup and main programs, 850 for games, hdd for other media
>fans
gonna hook the up with the uln adapter, really want good airflow but silent

>>59632582
>The two SSDs is obviously to have the OS and maybe something extra on the M.2.
Obviously and maybe don't go well together. And, as you can see from his reply, you were completely off.

>1TB NVME is silly expensive (not sure they actually exist? 500GB did last I checked).
They fucking do exist and price isn't a factor for him. He's pushing 4 grand.

You shouldn't criticize people's posts when you don't know shit, dude.

>>59632632
The i7 isn't overkill. It gets 30-50% higher minimum framerates clock-for-clock in newer games over the 7600k.

It's overpriced for what it is, all i3s, i5s, and i7s are, but it's not "overkill".

Granted, at that resolution, you're never gaming over 90fps so you'd really probably be better off going with a 1600X.

>>59632672
>Obviously and maybe don't go well together. And, as you can see from his reply, you were completely off.
What the fuck? His reply said exactly what I fucking told you
>960 for bootup and main programs, 850 for games, hdd for other media
mine:
>The two SSDs is obviously to have the OS and maybe something extra on the M.2.

I recommend poison, you waste of space.

Money isn't an object for me, either, but I still don't retardedly waste money more than I need to. So I'm also doing the 1TB SATA SSD for "fast enough" stuff, and RAID NVMEs for OS and what I use a lot.

>>59632718
>maybe something extra
It was obvious from the get he was going to game idiot and a better performing SSD will benefit gaming as well. How the fuck is that wasting money?

You'll encourage an i7 for performance but not a better SDD? What the fuck?

>>59632752
>>59632718
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LXS4TY6?tag=amz-mkt-opr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-def00-other-nomod-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-4

Also the 1TB SDD is 480, about $25 more expensive than the 250 + 1tb combo so your money argument doesn't hold a lot of merit, either.

Why don't you fuck off now instead of attacking everyone who says something you disagree with?

>>59632752
lol... Games load perfectly fine on a decent SATA SSD.

NVME are about 50% more expensive. Not worth it for 1TB.

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>>59632880
>NVME are about 50% more expensive
Go embarrass yourself somewhere else.

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>>59632917
A 1TB 960 Evo is $480.
A 850 Evo is $325.
325*1.5 = 487

You're a fucking moron.

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>>59632959
>doesn't count the cost of needing two SDDs
see
>>59632861

Enjoy saving $25 retard.

>>59632959
Rekt

>>59632978
1TB 850Evo is $325.
256gb 960 Evo is $130

It's not just less money, it's MORE STORAGE TOO. Fucktard.

SSDs really cost too much right now. It's hard to justify $480 for 1TB.

>>59633024
It's really hard to justify a fucking overpriced i7, too. But $25 isn't shit and you know it.

>less storage
Implying that even fucking matters on a SSD for gaming. His list is shit and we both know that. Spending money for the sake of spending money so why not spend money so more?

You don't need 1.25TB of space for games. You just move the shit you aren't playing anymore to your HDD just in case you want to play it again (unlikely).

>>59630362
switch out that anus mobo for something better

>>59633067
Currently the only options are a Ryzen 7, G4560, or 7700 until Ryzen 5s come out, and it would be stupid top put a G4560 in that build.

Even then, the 7700k is still going to outperform Ryzen 5s in current games. Just not better performance/$.

>>59633099
Ryzen 5s are less than two weeks away. Dumping anything into i7s right now is throwing your money away.

Even if i7s don't drop in price after the 5s come out, you at least won't have to deal with delidding your i7 after OC'ing it or needing a new motherboard if you want to upgrade the next few years.

i7s are a fucking meme.

>>59633141
Doesn't matter for people that want the very best for gayman. The 7700/7700k still outperforms the 1600X in the vast majority of current games.

Ryzen 5 will be the best for the money, but not the best period.

>>59633235
Well I find it extremely hypocritical that you're okay with wasting money on CPUs but not on storage. To each their own though.

ETA for ryzen 3?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B016A29PWA/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all

2x8GB DDR4 3200 CL16 for $90 at Amazon.

Also if you have a spouse or roommate or some shit you can get more of those Newegg gift cards. I wound up getting $660 of them for $536. Only the 10% extra from promo gift cards expire.

>>59633475
APUs probably Q3, and probably Q4 for R3s.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7cKsBP
This is pretty much my rough draft of a build so far. I have pretty much no idea what I'm doing, just spend a few hours researching. I'm aiming for 1080p/60fps on ultra. Possibly might want to overclock in the future, not sure tho. What can I replace in the build? Is there anything thats unnecessarily expensive or won't work properly?

>>59633998
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7cKsBP
>7600k
>paying that much for 4 threads in 2017
Beyond help. I stopped reading it at that point. Read the thread.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/K6JpJV

Thoughts?

>>59634212
see >>59634013

Fan from my hyper 212 evo is dying
any 120mm pwm recommendations?

Anyone ordered off Aliexpress? I want to see cheap cheap builds.

>>59630362
Don't go asus, they have cases of mobo updating themselves after a boot without any reason which leads to bricking
Otherwise it looks pretty great.

>>59630592
ram support already goes above 3200, seen it at 3600 in some cases. It's entirely dependent on the mobo.