/hpg/ - Headphone General

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DUCKS :dddDDD

Are there any Free Open Source Non-Proprietary headphones?

What are some headphones of a similar quality and in a similar price bracket, maybe a bit cheaper than the 598s that do not have a plasticky design? Maybe I have a massive head or something but EVERY pair of sennheisers I've owned have cracked along the plasticky headband at the side. I'm currently using some Fidelio x1s which I love the design of but they're getting a bit old and the non-replaceable earpads are getting gross.

>>59581983
Been using Beyer DT770 Pro's for about 5 months now and they are great. Very similar style/price to 598's. Tad more expensive though, but the headband and ear cups are replaceable

>>59581983
>>59582128
He might like DT880's as theyre closer to 598's in sound

>>59581794
>750x750
>2.57 MB
wew lad

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I'm playing video game music on FLAC radio
https://chiru.no:8081/stream.flac

>>59581838
People have DIY'd electrostatic headphones before

I am completely braindead about this so if I'm missing something please tell me
>Budget
$100-$200
>Location
Australia
>Source
My PC
>Type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
Closed, don't want people around me hearing
>Comfort level
High comfort if possible, but I wouldn't mind if sound quality improvement is worth it.

>>59582740
Brainwavs HM5
NVX XPT100
Somic MM185
Status CB-1
ATH-M40X+DT250 Pads

>>59579295
>Oh well, not like your opinion mattered but the S doesn't even have a paint finish.
Then how was the color applied?

>>59582784
Thanks a lot, i'll look into them

>Budget
$70
>Location
US
>Source
iPhone 6s (it was a gift)
>Type of headphone
IEM
>Comfort level
As much as possible
>Past headphones
I use M40x's for my computer, never bothered buying anything but stock or gas station earbuds before.

>>59582874
What kind of audio reproduction setup are you using that EQ introduces delay, what the fuck

>>59582896
If you want the least delay in your audio, you should be reconverting your music with the EQ applied.

>>59582896
Digital EQ needs an all-pass filter to get the relative group delay to equalise otherwise your waveform will change (though some argue its hard to sense)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay_equalization

Basically if you want a perfect response filter, you need an all-pass filter which has a constant delay as a result.

Of course if you're listening to a stream, you don't get this delay at all. If you're listening to live-synthesised sound (e.g gaming or telephony), it's not possible to compensate for the delay.

>>59582950
>Of course if you're listening to a stream, you don't get this delay at all
To make this clear, it's basically like this >>59582932, the computer can just process more of the sound at the start and continue to stream the audio through the filter, basically outputing audio at time w(t+t_delay) instead of w(t).

Can't do that with a live-synthesised stream though because it would need time travel to work :^)

>>59582847
It's funny how people on here are afraid to admit they have an iPhone
It's always "i-it was a g-gift"

>>59582959
>>59582950
Yeah, that's why I said audio reproduction, rather than production.

I'm aware of the delay associated with using digital effects during live synthesis, though I wonder just how much of a game breaker it is.
I mean, aren't digital pedals being used for live audio these days?

>>59582989
because you know some idiot is going to go in for the low hanging fruit and think they're such a genius for ripping on apple. I just want to know which IEMs aren't garbage.

i-it was a gift though

>>59582989
The ideas of Apple products people have here are in general ridiculous.

>>59582847
I wonder what the output impedance on iphone jack is.
If it's low enough, you should get sony balanced armatures.

>Budget
35€
>Location
EU
>Source
Samsung s4
>Type of headphone
Bluetooth IEM for workout
>Comfort level
As much as possible
>Past headphones
M50x for my computer
IEMs that came with my phone

Thanks in advance.

Will I notice a difference between the 598's vs the massdrop akg K7XX both with the same amp?

>>59581794
What're a good pair of bluetooth earphones for the gym? I nearly memed myself into getting the new fotm shit from apple but they looked like they weren't very sweat resistant, plus most of the functionality would be useless because I use a samsung.

>>59583075
Psst, the senhs are simply better sounding headphones.

I'll clue you in on a some pro tips and tell you that if you want a balanced sound and don't care about the sound coloration meme, it makes picking headphones very easy because there's only a handful of choices.

HD558, Sony MDR 7506, HD600, DT770 if you can bear the highs.

That's it. Everything else is garbage and is only bought because animefaggot retards in the general want headphones that make lolicore sound better, or straight up attention whores who treat headphones as fashion instead of utility.

I remember the planar magnetic memes and how everyone was masturbating about them some time back, kek

>>59583155
>Psst, the senhs are simply better sounding headphones.

Say no more. I am just feeling like maybe the 7xx would be even more amazing than the 598 already are in FPS games. Soundstage, positional cues. etc

My HiFiMan re-400 is falling apart so I'm looking for a new IEM. Are there any that sound similar, as in a relatively flat signature that doesn't have screeching highs, but with better durability? I looked around some, but it looked like you have to choose between sound or durability or else pay an arm and a leg for customs.

Which would be better? To get a dac or amp?

>>59583334
If your volume is high enough, then DAC.
There's very good chance that your motherboard's audio jack is shit.

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Why the hell are these so fucking expensive? The headphone list put them at 70 bucks but I just checked amazon and every new one is 260. Why?

Are there any cheaper place to buy these, or similar headphones with the same quality and aesthetic?

>>59583346
Alright. So what are some good brands for dacs and amps? I have heard good things about schiit.

>>59583495
I think they're discontinued so finding a new pair outside of japland is gonna be difficult. You could try ebay if you're feeling lucky though.

>>59583509
Schiit is no-nonsense, good gear. Great value.

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Name a flaw.

Would the K240 MKII be a good buy as my first set of "good" headphones?

Would I need an amp for them, or will my pc do the job just fine?
How comfortable are they? I hope to use them while wearing glasses

>>59583318
I went from RE-400 to the etymotic ER4 and am really enjoying it. It's a similar signature, but way more detailed and less forgiving.

>>59583679
it's boring
rather blow 2000 bucks on stax

>>59583715
Should I be worried about the size? I have nowhere to try them out before buying, and they look quite large (my head is rather small ...)

>>59583679
The price.

>>59583720
How is the build quality though? I haven't seen them in person, but the cables look kind of flimsy.

What is the best COMFORTABLE headphone in the $1-2k range? The AKG K812 looks comfy.

>>59582989
Haha mine actually was a gift. I came to China with a Note 7 and had to get rid of it. My Chinese gf bought me an iPhone 6s Plus and I fucking hate it.

what is the most analytical, musical and fun pair of headphones out there?

>>59583058
Help me please

>>59584045
The most expensive ones you can find.

>>59583899
HD800(S)

Can someone post the op pictures that always get deleted?

Are there any good value decent quality IEMS for less than $80 in australia?
Not really fussed with details desu, just don't want pay for overpriced shit. Preferably with low-low/mid bass, don't listen to any modern dance music.

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>>59583715
>Would the K240 MKII be a good buy as my first set of "good" headphones?
I like the K240, really nice mids. Don't expect much low end presence though, particularly in the sub-bass region.

>Would I need an amp for them, or will my pc do the job just fine?
My desktop powers my K271 (same drivers as the K240) to a level that's significantly louder than my preferred listening volume, but YMMV. Though, I'd recommend an external dac/amp if you experience interference, noise, buzzing, etc.

>How comfortable are they? I hope to use them while wearing glasses
I wear glasses, my frame is on the thin side though, but they're very comfortable (and light weight).

>>59583737
The size isn't that big, the Q/K700-series headphones have noticeably bigger ear cups.

>>59583899
The K812 has a similar clamp to the HD800/S, which is on the loose side (the K812 may be looser-fitting, actually) and I have a rather large head. Some may find this uncomfortable in a way that if you tilt your head up or down (like if you were to look down at your phone), the headphones may move or slide around. I wouldn't call the sound of the K812 'comfy', either. Probably best to look into something like the TH-900 if you want something that would most likely fit better, with a more comfy sound (which is more on the dark side).

>>59584235
Which ones get deleted?

>>59583679
Not rain proof, yet stored out in the open.

>>59584045
Those are the three least descriptive terms ive ever seen used here.

>>59583727
>blowing $2,000 on a living meme

>>59583727
Aren't most of their headphones are tuned to a free-field curve? They're going to suck for casual listening.

>>59584594
comfy expensive headphones

I just sometimes see extremely expensive headphones which, although they may have ridiculously good sound quality, look cheap and uncomfortable as fuck.

I really want a high quality headphone I can use for a general purpose NEET-like lifestyle.

>>59584594
Thank you. Will definitely buy these.
If my laptop won't power them sufficiently I'll just go get something like the FiiO A1.

I am going to europe this summer
>Budget
€ ~300
>Location
Europe (still undecided)
>Source
My PC (probably i am also going to buy fulla 2 there)
>Type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
Doesn't matter
>Comfort level
As long as i can wear it comfly 3-5 hours
>Past Headphone
HD 202, I have been using it for 5 years, i think?

I also like to listen to Classical and stuff (also some idol shit)

>budget
€100-200
>Location
Netherlands
>Source
PC and phone
>Type
Over ear
>Open-closed
Closed
>Comfort
Comfy af
>Sound signature
Neutral
>Past headphones
Hyperx Cracklefest II

I'm thinking of getting a tube amp for my HD800S. Any good recommendation for a budget around $1,000?

>>59585184
>fulla 2
Excellent choice.
>300€
>Classical, idolshit
HD598/se (not cs!), HD599, HD600.

Adjust per your budget. Note the newish HD599 is near identical to HD598/se, just a tweak, slightly more bass. Don't pay 30% more for that.

>>59585243
http://schiit.com/products/mjolnir-2

>>59581794
Why is her hair sweating?

>>59581815
PPAP

>>59585385
I have a peeen
I have an apple.

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>tfw small head
>need proper audio
>in-ears never fit
>earplugs never fit
>over-ears look huge
>on-ears are uncomfortable
wat do

>>59585454
Grab yourself some HD598se for a taste of good sound.

There's a difference between "look huge" and actually putting them on.

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Good evening

I am thinking in buy a new MP3 Player should i find FiiO stuff? or clip ones?

>>59581794
What anime is this from?

>>59585454
who cares if they look huge

>>59585537
>MP3 Player
-_-

>>59582950
-The headphone transfer function is not dominated by all pass shift. The system outputs by far most of its energy in the minimized time.
-The idealized goal is to invert the transfer function to extract the original function, not to preserve the waveform shape that is input to the headphone.

A single driver headphone will be a "very nearly" minimum phase system, which you can check by visual inspection of the gain-phase curves. More so if you take care to avoid unnecessary delayed reverberation, ports, frame interference, etc.
The inverse function is not going to have zero in all the right places, but you end up with far less error by applying a minimum phase correction of the gain curve than by naively using a linear phase EQ for everything.


Other notes:
The ear itself is much more sensitive to phase matching between channels than it is an to all pass filter applied to both.
The ear also lacks a physical mechanism to track phase directly in the high frequencies, interference aside. Refractory period of a single neuron would be limited to below 1 kHz. The neurons can be staggered to fire separately (volley theory), but even this tends to disintegrate above 3-4 kHz.


>>59584786
>tuned to a free-field curve
No. Who came up with this idea?

>>59585603
I'm a streamer tho. It needs to match my aesthetics.

>>59585665
Yet you'll look like a moron if you favor "stylish" headphones over good sounding ones.

>>59585268
Aren't they notorious for making a headphone amp that causes headphones to blow up?

>>59585727
No. There was some drama, but no actual blown up headphones.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/701900/schiit-happened-the-story-of-the-worlds-most-improbable-start-up

Chapter 12: Schiit goes evil?

>>59585603
good point senpai...

>>59585727
Wouldn't the recording industries love that, as anticopy measure?

>>59585727
Contrary to what the other idiot posted, yes. The Schiit Lyr has been known to blow up drivers.
A couple posters blew out their Edition 8 headphones, Denon D7k, and other sets.
>As Schiit warns on their webpage, they won't be responsible if you blow up your headphones; that's what Jason effectively told Peter (MH) and myself in response. Luckily mine were still under warranty as well, as are all Edition 8s at this point as they were released in July 2009 with 2-year coverage in the US.

The Asgard didn't quite blow anything up, at least that I know of, but it was definitely not safe.

>>59585855
No blown headphones were actually confirmed. Particularly, not before they offered to refund/add protection relays for free.

They were a bit slow to react at first, but they handled the issue quite well.

Everything they sell except pretty much the fulla2 does come with protection relays now.

>>59585665
Nobody fucking cares about your dumb headphones on stream.

>>59585964
>No blown headphones were actually confirmed.
Go back and read your article.
>An aside: to this day, nobody has ever blown up a headphone with Asgard, at least to our knowledge.
>Lyr, yes
I just said a few sets that blew up with the Lyr. I even offered a quote from one of the folks who had their headphones blow out.
>http://www.head-fi.org/t/542064/schiit-lyr-shipping-impressions/990

>relay
It was a tiny SMD that they could and should have worked in at any time before, but it's fine now.

Are the Sennheiser HD 280 Pros any good? On cl near me someone is selling for $65

>Budget
$150 or less
>Location
US
>Source
Sansa clip and PC
>Type of headphone
On/over ear, just no buds
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfy or smaller sized would be good
>Past headphones
I normally use earbuds that I bought for the gym but I have to clean them constantly, and there's also some background static when I use them with my sansa.

I'd like to buy a pair of headphones I can use when I'm working in the computer lab at college that won't leak my Chinese cartoon songs.

>>59586545
How about Sennheiser Momentum?

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So I have an Audioengine D1 dac+amp. Is it enough to power a Hifiman HE-560?

>>59581794
I finally got around to testing my fulla 2 vs the e10k and I can confidently say that the fulla 2 is better, something the o2 never managed to do for me. The e10k is fucking great but it's slightly harsh compared to the fulla 2, and the bass doesn't sound as nice. Maybe there's something to this amp/dac meme after all. I won't be buying anything bigger or more exspensve though, well, I don't plan on it anyway. hd600+fulla= yes

>>59585454
Go for custom IEMs. You'll never look back.

So i have the philips x2s, but my onboard audio isn't great. What dac should i go for?

>>59586749
E10k. Or Fulla 2 if you plan on upgrading to more juice hungry headphones in the future, or just want line out.

E10k is fine if you just want a basic DAC/Amp.

HD 598 vs X2. About £30 difference between the two.

Will be using it for movies and music (classical, ambient, some electronic)

>>59582847
>iPhone 6s (it was a gift)
that phone is better than any Androshit phone. Trust me... I've owned a bunch of chinkshit phones. Whoever gave you that phone did you a huge favor.

>>59582989
I'm using an iphone 5 as a hand me down. My mom says it's getting too small for her.

>>59587280
598 for sure

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Are these based on any specific model?

What u guys do with ur old ones?

Just bin them? Is there a way to recycle parts

>>59587280
>classical
The X2 is quite colored, and it would make a meal out of classical. The HD598 at least tries to be neutral (but comes out as slightly bright).

Go HD598, or HD599 if you can find them at a reasonable price. (read: not some crazy over 30% the price of the HD598se)

>>59587747
>What u guys do with ur old ones?
Keep them for contrast, or give them away to poorfags who could use better sound.

>>59587773
But the sweat in the pads..

>Budget
<£70 ($87)
>Location
UK
>Source
PC, Phone
>Type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
Closed. Will be used in public areas. Don't mind too much about total noise cancellation though.
>Comfort level
High. For long gaming sessions.
>Past headphones
Plantronics gamecom 780 headset. Does its job pretty well but the side has gone loose, an opportunity to get seperate mic and headphones.

Looking for an all-rounder good for gaming and music. Thanks.

>>59586701
> Maybe there's something to this amp/dac meme after all. I won't be buying anything bigger or more exspensve though, well, I don't plan on it anyway. hd600+fulla= yes
I'm sorry to do this to you.

I've been using HD600 with Modi2uber + Magni2uber for a month, and finally got myself a Fulla 2 to use at work (with HD380 Pro).

I took it home and plugged my HD600 to it, and found two things. One is that the volume needs to be at least 1 o'clock for reasonable output. Another is that with volume past 3 o'clock, it doesn't sound as good as the stack. There's some sort of distortion; the sound loses its shape (frequency response changes).

I think it just doesn't have, in practice, enough juice for the cans.

YMMV, it might even depend on the source for USB power, but my computer USB port ought to have enough.

The HD380 Pro and HD598 do both sound great on the Fulla2. It's just with the HD600 that I perceive this.

Now, for a relatively portable device, they do very well. Certainly much better than fiio garbage. I tried someone's k5 and it doesn't hold a candle to the Fulla2.

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since I can't get HD598s, I'm thinking of buying a pair of DT-770 pro's. Is the love and hate for them just brand loyalists memeing? Is it a significant upgrade from Sony MDR-7506's?

and if I do buy them, which OHM should they be? (30, 80, 250?) I will mostly be using it with my PC and occasionally with my phone

>>59587681
>>59587757

Thanks anons. What's the difference between the 598 and 599? Just a cosmetic update?

>>59587980
HD599 is very new and still lacks proper reviewing.

What's known about it is that it's just a slight tweak on HD598. It provides just a hint more/better bass.

>>59588036
I've read that the 558s can be modded to be like the 598s, does it provide identical sound?

>>59587896
> DT-770
They're closed, not anywhere as good as HD598, but similar in bass.

Obviously not anywhere as comfortable, either, but that's expected because they're closed.

I'd insist on HD598se or HD599. But, if you do still want to get DT770, go for "premium" version, 250ohm. Besides performing better, premium beyers are considerably more comfortable than pros.

>>59587896
>Is it a significant upgrade from Sony MDR-7506's?
No. MDR 7506 are better than them in every way.
Why would you buy another pair of closed headphones with similar sound signature, but worse?

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The HD 558 are uncomfortable as fuck if you wear glasses.
I suffered with them now for nearly two years and I just couldn't bear it anymore, I switched to my Prota Pros.
They also get really warm on the ear, which I don't really like.

>>59588076
My understanding is that the HD558 with foam removed sound, FR "signature" wise, very close to the HD598, but with more harmonic/whateverother distortion.

I'd personally be too afraid to f* up and leave the HD558 as they are. Then maybe eventually upgrade to something that's a big step up, like HD600+. Obviously do not bother with 598 if you already have 558.

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I love my dt990s. Best $150 I've spent in a while. They bring me so much joy.

Does nice sound make you happy /hpg/??

>>59588094
I meant 598se, not 558, fuck those numbers

>>59587811
You know you can wash pads, or just replace them?

>>59588094
I wear glasses and HD598/600 are fine.

I do not know what the f* could be wrong with the HD558 to make that any different.

I do know, however, someone who had poorly adjusted glasses and issues with HD598. They went away after he got his glasses properly adjusted to his head. Glasses should touch the head by the area where over ear headphones do land; His glasses didn't.

>>59588077
>They're closed, not anywhere as good as HD598, but similar in bass.
>but similar in bass

haha what
598's are midbass city
770's at least have sub-bass

>>59588109
nico is love,
nico is life;
hd600 is great,
flat is justice.

>>59588108
Currently using 668B's so this will be a major step up and I think I will be using them for at least a couple of years until I can afford a proper HD600 setup.

>>59588160
>770's at least have sub-bass
Sub-bass is annoying/fatiguing. But I can understand masochists that like to torment their skulls with that.

>>59588150
I meant the 598, I just got mixed up numbers.
My glasses don't touch my head there, and the bigger problem is that my glasses make sounds against the padding. The 598 are also really heavy.
It's just not comfortable to wear them.

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>>59588108
Wow, so significant.
I can totally hear that 1 db peak at 3500 hz

>>59588077
I can't find HD598 anywhere in my country without paying about 250 euros, and HD599's are also bit more expensive than I am willing to pay

>>59588091
Have some friends who claim that they are better, but know them they are probably just talking out of their ass, which is why I wanted to ask here. I guess I thought they might be better is just because they cost more

>>59588209
>The 598 are also really heavy
They're really not. 260 grams is standard for their size.

>>59588209
Wow. And I consider the HD598 light AF. I forget I'm wearing them, which is remarkable. The HD600 do actually have some weight to them. Not too much, but they're perceivable.

Yeah, glasses issues, like this guy I know. He's very happy now with his fixed glasses fwiw.

>>59588255
>I can't find HD598 anywhere in my country without paying about 250 euros

Why not buy from other EU countries?

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>>59588171
^_^

>>59588225
Can't say about HD558, but the HD600 sound very different to me, over the HD598.

Allow me to vent. I got memed into getting IEMs. They are quite sweet but the things that loop around the ear keep getting stuck everywhere. REEEEEEE

>>59588305
>he fell for the loop around the ear meme
if it ain't broke don't fix it, two cables hanging down the ears at a straight angle is simple and just werks

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>>59588284
nico nico niii~

>>59588278
Only stores I could find that actually had them were just too expensive ranging from 170 euros to 240 excluding shipping

>>59588346
It's even worse than that. With the standard cables, when they get caught on something and yanked out of my ears they just fall out. When the looptydoos get yanked, they rape my ears and the loop deforms.

I learned my lesson. Never again.

>>59588094
Maybe it depends on the glasses but portapros hurts me more than my HD595.

>>59588389
I paid ~280€ back in the day for mine.

170€ + shipping is a good price for HD598. I'd pay up to 200€ no problem in the current market.

Amazon does crazy sales at times... 130€ is doable, 100€ happened very briefly before (amazon.fr a month or two ago).

>>59588225
Anon, FR are a good start but they never tell you the full story.

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>>59588109
> dt990
>nice sound
Pick one and only one.

PS: Lovely hissing cans.

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This is now the nico thread.

Here is a question for you people who always seem to know so much more than I do.
Are the profit margins on headphones as high as they seem? There is no way most headphones cost anywhere near as much as their msrp to make. The meze 99 has a pic with all of its parts and it looks like they spend $15 to make the damn thing.
>>59588513
??? That graph is why I bought them.

>>59588507
FR is the last instance of the signal in your hardware chain, I'm pretty sure you can't get any more of an objective assessment of a device than the literal immediate physical effect they have on the world.

That's like saying the color of the pixels don't tell the whole story of how color accurate a monitor is.

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>>59588485
just realised I misunderstood what someone said last thread, now I just feel dumb. Thanks for the help though, anon. Will probably just save a bit more money and see what happens.

>>59583075
You'd be pretty deaf not to. This isn't some audio golden ear bullshit, they are different sounding headphones in their frequency response. The difference between the two would be the same even if the amplifiers differed.

how exactly should IEMs fit in your ear ? I can't decide between medium and small tips
>medium feels like it sits in the outer ear
>small feels like it goes a bit further in to the canal
both seem to be sitting in pretty sturdy, don't feel like they would fall out

>>59588726
Pick the biggest ones that fit in your ear. They should create a vacuum seal and make a pop if you yank them

Seal is more important than how deep they are in the canal.

>>59588554
FR is very good at highlighting flaws like the beyer hiss. Hell, hisSss, do they. Ear rape.

But it definitely doesn't tell the whole story. It's beyond ridiculous how different HD600 is from HD598, yet the FR is really close.

Got the senfer UES, its pretty nice. The build quality is actually great.

HD558 + E10K
Should i bother getting a DAC/Amp?
is the E10K good with HD558?
if not what DAC/Amp would you recommend?

>>59589124
Get a HD598 instead. Your money should mostly go to cans, not amps.

You can always get an amp (fulla 2 much recommended, see >>59586701
) later down the road.

>>59587893
That's interesting to hear. Maybe at some point in the future I'll try a higher end schitt product but the fact that this clearly sounds better to me than the e10k makes me happy enough. I've also been told that I listen at high volumes and I can't really go past 1 oclock, and I have tinnitus so distortion past 3 isn't an issue for me.

>Budget
350€
>Location
france
>Source
PC - Iphone
>Type of headphone
over ear
>Open or closed
closed i guess but i don't really care
>Comfort level
i hope i can get both with 350€

budget is flexible, can go up to 400€

>>59589154
don't have the budget for it, i can afford a amp right now just cause i got the hd558 for 80$ since it's on sale :/

>>59589168
Frankly, it's "not the same for some odd reason I can't quite put in words" but pretty OK until you get that high, so you're probably OK for the foreseeable future.

>>59589206
i mean i already got the hd558 so yeah..

>>59589222
Then I'd say fulla 2, but it does really only make sense if you plan to add more cans to your headphone family.

Fulla 2 (which is definitely the sweet spot for cheap, small, portable kinda amps) costs about as much as the HD558, which feels kinda wrong.

The HD558 do have, like the HD598, a pretty odd impedance vs freq curve, however. They _do_ sound different with an amp.

>>59589209
Yeah i'm not gonna worry about it as I never listen that high anyway. What I am annoyed about is the fact that I get a crackle/distortion sound whenever I touch my fucking cable and it's because of the 1/4 jack adapter I'm using. I have a modded 650 cable but it doesnt fit into the 1/4" jack that comes with my 600. I tested the 600 cable and the adapter and the problem goes away, but I really don't want to use that cable. Do you know of any 3.5 to 1/4 adapters that click in solid without movement? (besides it being able to spin I mean, mine can slightly move back and forth when plugged in)

>>59589268
is there that much of a difference between the e10k and the fulla 2? the fulla are a pain in the ass to find they're also more expensive

>>59589078
I've had mine for like half a year now. They're great. What 'pattern' did you get?

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>>59588109
>>59588171
>>59588284
>>59588369
>>59588543
>Nico
Literally the WORST girl.
ugly, ugly personality, midget, flat as a board, cringy catchphrase... did I mention fugly personality?

>>59585199
Pls help

>>59588507
FR is the full story. Everything is included in it. However this is just being pedantic, excessively literal and can give a wrong impression.

Frequency response measured on a general coupler has plenty of limitations and FR(frequency magnitude and phase) masks sometimes perception relevant information like nonlinearities. A case where the two headphones have their FR at the eardrum within a certain tolerance and nonlinear junk is kept low enough, the sound is identical.

A measured frequency response on a good coupler is the most valuable and important data we have on headphones, especially if you are familiar on how and where the measurements generally fail.

>>59588786
>hiss
Don't call it that. It's coloration, sibilance and not hiss(noise) which is created by active electronics and is sound related.
>whole story
I'm afraid that is mostly just inability to read the plots and translating them into audible events.

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>>59584959
>I just sometimes see extremely expensive headphones which, although they may have ridiculously good sound quality, look cheap and uncomfortable as fuck.
>I really want a high quality headphone I can use for a general purpose NEET-like lifestyle.

A lot of the higher priced ($1000+) are usually targeted for people who are looking for a specific sound signature (which is why there's a lot of 'love it or hate it' among headphones like the Beyer T1, Senn HD800/S, and the AKG K812).

They usually have good build quality, but they aren't really intended for 'general purpose', per se. The Abyss AB-1266, for example, sounds great, is built like a tank, but does not have any clamp whatsoever (I believe they even tell you that you shouldn't adjust the headphones so they clamp your head).

You aren't missing much though, diminishing returns are very high with headphones in this price category, and you can find really good sounding headphones that are built well that's well under $1000.

>>59585573
That's Akagi from KanColle.

>>59586654
Never tried the D1, though from looking at the specs, I'd suggest using something with a tad more power for the HE-560.

>>59587718
They look like they were based on the Bose QuietComfort line of headphones. Pic related.

I will never buy a schiit product simply because of how fucking retarded their whole brand and product naming is.
It's like they're chinese who pick english sounding gibberish nonsense

Also, the whole colluding with headfi thing too

>>59589640
Don't know much about closed headphones but the dt770 and the tr40p are quite good.

>>59589693
I got my fulla 2 two days ago and it's brilliant. Who gives a shit about the branding or head-fi?

>>59589693
They're a shit company all around. They named themselves well.

>>59589443
The e10k can't be called an amp. It's more like a dac with builtin amp. It cannot function as an amp, because it lacks line-in connection.

Hence it's a much less useful device.

>>59589560
Flat is justice.

And wtf is wrong with you? All 9 of them are adorable.

>>59589995
>The e10k can't be called an amp. It's more like a dac with builtin amp. It cannot function as an amp, because it lacks line-in connection.
You're an idiot. Please quit posting.

>>59590016
>And wtf is wrong with you? All 9 of them are adorable.
Some are much less than others.

How do i tell how bad my onboard audio is when i have nothing to compare it to?

>>59590092
Compare it to your phone.

>>59590092
You don't.

>>59590092
Try and look up a spec sheet of it I guess

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It's going to be for my sister:
>Budget
$30
>Source
Laptop, smartphone
>Type of headphone
Not over-ear
>Past headphones
I guess she was using a $30 in-ear audio-technica earphones before. they were not durable.

>>59590071
>You're an idiot.
Moron, anon's got a point. With no line in, it's not possible to connect sources. Using the usb dac is mandatory.

It's not that hard to understand, is it?

>>59590276
kuroi inu, kuroi inu, kuroi inu, BLACK DOG!

>>59590092
"smart" phones tend to bundle headphone amplifiers. Try watching a youtube vid on both the motherboard audio and the phone.

>>59590301
please do your day 1 japanese practice elsewhere

>>59581794

That's a nice view of her bosom.

>>59590377
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw1di8P46nQ

>>59590391
Do you also prefer v-shaped headphones? -_-

Flat is justice.

>>59590285
This. The fulla 2 is amazing for the money. It's a nicer sounding odac without the need for a power cable, and at a fraction of the price. It's the best thing I've bought in ages and I can can use my 600's with my ps4 again :)

>>59590421

Her cleavage doesn't even doesn't even resemble a v at all. FUCK OFF.

I'm looking for a portable, battery powered DAC/AMP for phone use (android). Ideally it needs to have a 1/4 jack for THICC plugs. Anyone know of any?

>>59590578
Her boobs do. Man, do they sag.

Flat is justice.

>>59590285
>no line in, not an AMP
dumbest thing I ever heard in these retarded threads. you really need to go back to high school.

>>59590639
Sir, you're retarded.

Kindly excuse yourself from the thread.

>>59590741
Dipshit, it has an amplifier circuit. It's a fucking amplifier. Just because you're too stupid to learn what an amplifier and it doesn't conform to your retreaded requirement doesn't mean it's not an amp.

Go back to Head-Fi and suck on some Shit dick. KYS.

>>59590090
Do you prefer super idol nico ni's backdancers?

>>59590276
help, lads!

>>59590802
Imbecile. It's a usb dac with a headphone output. It has an amp, but it isn't an amp.

>>59590931
Your budget is too low.

At that budget, just see the standard recommendations the OP links.

just bought a pair of sennheiser hd 598 cs ($99 on sale) for my first pair of real headphones. Did I do good?

>>59591130
At that price, they're probably not bad.

They have the same drivers as HD380 Pro (which I own and love) and HD569 (which are well regarded), but they're set up different.

Just keep in mind that, despite numbering, they hold no relation to HD598/se in FR.

>>59581794
How much better would an M40X sound over my cloud II? I'm open to other suggestions as long as they're portable (and closed) and don't cost more than $200.

>>59590931
Piston 3 m8

>>59591292
piston 3 is fucking schite m9

>>59591515
Name a better cheap iem with actual bass and build quality RIGHT NOW.

>>59591573
KZ ATE

>>59591602
FUCKING LOL. My brother bought them months ago and they're literally the worst chink iem I've ever bought. What the fuck are you talking about. Even the KZ ED9 are way better than that tinny horrible garbage.

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With all this talk about the HD 598 with an amp it has gotten me curious. I thought an amp would not benefit the HD598? Would it make the cans cleaner/increase clarity? Would my casual gaming ears notice the difference if I got an E10K for my 598se?

>>59591914
Go to
>>59586701
>>59589268

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These niggers good for the price? (for portable and use at PC)

>>59592007
I know, I read that but would it actually make a difference for the 598's?

>>59585199
>>59582784

>>59592411
Idk, but considering price of the amp vs the headphones, I'd say you'll probably want to buy the amp intending to use with a bunch of different headphones in the future. Fulla 2 is that much more flexible, besides the extra power.

>>59591914
>my casual gaming ears notice the difference if I got an E10K for my 598se?
Only if you have a shit motherboard.

And stay away from any Schiit products.

How bad is ATH-M30X compared to other models? Are they worth it if I am a retard who never had a good pair of headphones ever?

>>59587850
Somic MM185/Status CB-1
NVX XPT100

>>59589640
Brainwavs HM5
NVX XPT100
Somic MM185
Status CB-1
M40X + DT250 pads

>>59592510
>>59592518
I have a soundcard (HT Omega Striker) so I dont use motherboard audio. But would I really hear a difference? I guess not

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I bought these yesterday. How did I do /hpg/? My requirements were wireless over Bluetooth, made out of metal, a microphone, good battery life, decent sound but no noise cancellation.

>>59590276
Anything from KZ
Tennmak Pro
Vsonic GR02 Bass Edition
Koss KSC75/SportaPro/PortaPro
JVC HAFX40/101

>>59592548
Anything below the M40X's in the M series isnt worth looking at

>>59592641
All of these aren't available in my country except for the M40Xs. Are these the best in the 100-200$ price range?

>>59592860
For portable use within $100, yes. Anything else would be better for home use but I can't remember any neutral cans past $100 at the moment.

>>59592936
And If I would want something non portable in that price range? I'm not entirely sure about portability in exchange for quality yet. (HD598/9 aren't available here)

>>59591223
M40x is a bit better imo, but it's more of a sidegrade.

>>59591914
>With all this talk about the HD 598
You mean, with all the shilling.

I need a good set of travel headphones with isolation rather than active noise cancellation.

>Budget
$2500 I suppose
>Location
USA
>Source
Portable DAP that will be purchased later (I will ensure that it can drive whatever cans I get)
>Type of headphone
Circumaural (around ear)
>Open or closed
Closed (needs to be a high level of isolation for plane use)
>Comfort level
High (again for long transcontinental flights)
>Sound signature
Neutral preferred, but not opposed to U shaping if it is pleasant rather than distracting

>>59593140
Oppo PM-3

>>59592664
The HT Omega Striker doesn't provide a headphone amp.

Due to the odd impedance vs frequency curve of the HD598, the frequency response is significantly different with an amp.

It has low power requirements, however. Any amp will actually work.

Try them on your phone, see if they sound any different. Most phones do have a headphone amp. Watch the same youtube video to compare, perhaps.

>>59592986
AKG K612 though they're open and need an amp

>>59593140
AKG N90Q

>>59593345
Looks gud, but I don't have any experience with open headphones so I'm not sure what to expect from it and if I'd like it.

>>59593464
Closed headphones sacrifice comfort and accuracy for isolation. Unless you need the isolation (such as to use them at an open office), you're better off with open.

>>59581794
Oppai loli :3

>>59592676
That's what I call an answer! Just ordered a Koss SportaPro for $21. Thanks a lot, sir.

>>59593502
All right I'll keep these in mind when I'm making my decision. Thanks man.

>>59593336
Oh wow, ok ill give it a shot! I just believe my ears are too casual to hear the difference.

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How much of a meme is this?

>>59589684
>The Abyss AB-1266
>sounds great
doubtful

>>59593621
On my HD598, I can hear the difference between my amp (schiit stack) and no amp even if they are sitting on my desk rather than my head. It's that radical a difference.

>>59593593
Not that guy, but also keep in mind that K612 are 120Ohm headphones, and generally require amp.

>>59593695
Yeah I got that. They're cheap enough for me to fit an amp into my budget though.

>Budget
Under $300
>Location
USA
>Source
Schiit stack
>Type of headphone
Over-ear
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Don't care, as long as it seals well.
>Sound signature
Neutral
>Past headphones
DT-880

I need really good isolation to block my retarded roommate constantly blasting K-POP from his shitty macbook speakers.

>>59593648
It's not a meme but it probably doesn't do what you think. Above 44.1 KHz these settings should not alter anything but at that point it's a question of resampler and low pass, anti-aliasing filter quality. Set it to whatever is the highest sampling rate in the files you listen to. If you don't know, put it to 44.1 KHz as it is universally the most common and will help avoid potentially harmful resampling.

>>59593695
> generally require amp
They likely do but impedance has nothing to do with that. They are quite insensitive.

>>59593502
>Closed headphones sacrifice comfort and accuracy for isolation
No not really. You can have accuracy and definitely comfort with closed back headphones. They present added challenges to baffle/earcup design and are more susceptible to leak but aren't strictly speaking any less accurate. Comfort is highly subjective.

>>59593774
Those aren't settings mate. It's the files info. That's how I downloaded them.

>>59593677
Oh wow ok then. I really would like to keep my amp/dac budget under $80 so would the E10k suffice?

>>59593842
Well then it's almost completely useless.

>>59593204

That is what I own now. The isolation is pretty terrible on a plane.

>>59593882
You're going to need ANC for low frequency isolation.
Take the advice of >>59593349 and get N90Q.

>>59593677
e10k should more than suffice for the HD598.

Just keep in mind the fulla 2 is literally $99, and has an actual line in, so you can use it with your sound card, with the phone, game consoles and so on.

e10k is usb only.

>>59593774
> You can have accuracy and definitely comfort with closed back headphones.
Sure, but at a higher price.

>If you don't know, put it to 44.1 KHz as it is universally the most common and will help avoid potentially harmful resampling.
Keep in mind computer software and movie (dvd, bluray) standard is 48KHz. A common approach is to simply go for 96KHz/24bit. It should be high enough to minimize any damage done by with whatever shitty resampling windows does.

>>59593554
No problem, I'm currently using PortaPros for commutung to/from school and they're pretty good and laidback in terms of sound. They might look nice but they sound good so I dont really care what people think. Very light and comfy though with the driver sliding a bit on the ear can affect percieved sound. If they break, you can replace the ones included with KSC75's by clipping them onto the headband.

>>59594329
Might not look nice*

Is how comparable is Massdrop's PC37X to a HD598? I'm in the market for some open cans and the PC37X seems like a good deal. There's also a mic, which would save me from buying a ModMic

Is m40x good starter headphone? I never bought any before idk if I want bassy or whatever
Just want something safe that most people would like

>>59594146
I dont mind if it is USB only. It's only going to be for my PC

>>59594329
the look has this weird charm desu. I got them for my sister but now I want for myself as well even though I'm owning a pair of hd-25s.

>>59594424
wtf I never said desu. there was "to be honest" instead of desu.

>>59594442
not sure if bait or summerfag

>>59594393
They were my first "good" pair of headphones. They aren't bass cannons but I listen to a lot of electronic, bass-heavy music and I'm not disappointed.

They're actually pretty neutral so in that aspect I'd say they are "safe" as you say.

I'd recommend getting different pads though as the stock ones really aren't very comfortable after a while. I got these: https://www.amazon.com/Shure-HPAEC840-Replacement-Cushions-Headphones/dp/B002Z9JWZS and they're much better.

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>>59594442

>>59594442
baka desu senpai

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on a scale of 1 to 100 how bad did i fuck up
i paid 600

>>59594384
someone ples. Massdrop says they have the same drivers as the HD598 and HD600

>>59594594
youshouldhavebought600's-out/10

>>59594670
thats what they're replacing

>>59594683
Don't listen to the shills, it'll probably be fine.

>>59594594
Neutralfags will attack you.

honestly, I'd try them out and see for yourself whether or not you like them, rather than asking here.

>>59594706
Do people really shill the hd600 of al things? They're so old and no way senn is paying them.

>>59594746
They do it for free, sure.

But they're every bit as rabid and unreasonable as paid shills.

>>59594594
>ear-piercing garbage treble peak
>uncomfortable
>colored AF
>600 what?

Should have gotten HD600.

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>>59594594
Hope you like snakes, bees etc.

>>59594610
Apparently they have the same drivers as PC373D, no idea how they compare.

What is the next step from HD508, guys?

>>59595168
Fidelio X2?

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Sup /hpg/, a while back I came here looking for advice and you tards were completely fucking useless arguing about sennheisers breaking. But on the bright side I found a great headphone store in my city and they let me try a bunch of different cans including all the ones I had on my list and then some, and I managed to end up spending less than I planned ($150 for a pair of DT770s) and I avoided the trap of buying the ones that were #1 on my list but were moderately uncomfortable even for short listening and also over twice as much money. Also since the store employee was a somewhat cute grill, technically I got to talk to a cute grill and even though it was her job to talk to me, at least I wasn't talking to my anime pillow "waifu" like you guys. Thank god I didn't come back and ask you guys a second time or I might have made a terrible mistake

Real life: +1
4chan: -9000

In conclusion, fuck you guys, fuck /hpg/, and I hope you all get debilitating tinnitus

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>>59595312
You sure showed us.

pxc 550

bluetooth eliminates any sort of electrical interference from the source.

noise cancelling eliminates any environmental interference with the sound.

best headphones.

>>59595312
Enjoy your tinnitus

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>>59595312
You must feel so much better about yourself

>>59595312
Enjoy your new headphones. Go listen to some awesome tunes!

Friendly reminder that Sennheiser is incapable of making even one good pair of headphones, they're essentially the AMD of audio.

>>59593336
Well plugging my 598's into my phone sounds louder but I honestly notice no difference. I guess that means I dont need an amp/dac for me atleast.

>>59595312
>DT770
You fucked up so bad. Enjoy that hissing shit. HSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs

>>59595592
HD558 are literally the best headphones for overall fidelity and comfortable listening, though.

Literally the only choice if you don't want niggerbass and/or ear rape.

I need a quality bluetooth headset with a good microphone and decent drivers. Does such a thing exist?

>>59594683
>>59594706

I'm not a shill, and I just made a casual comment. Most people on 4chan in general who scream shill are fucking retards in denial.

Yes. I'm paid by Sennheiser to post here and Itry to influence people's purchases.

Stop being a fucking retard.

>>59595312
>Also since the store employee was a somewhat cute grill, technically I got to talk to a cute grill
>>>/r9k/

What some really cheap (<$20) IEMs that are comfortable and sound ok?

Trying to avoid any sort of chinkshit because I'm impatient and don't want to wait for shipping. Considering MEE M6s.

>>59595788
>>Trying to avoid any sort of chinkshit
impossible. read the OP.

>>59595834
Pretty sure anon meant that he doesn't want anything that could only be purchased/shipped directly from China, like what you'd find on aliex and ebay.

1,2 kiss kiss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TYZiWmc6Rk

>>59596005
I'm drunk and I'm not an anime fag. Are you trying to convert me?

Pls explain

>>59595909
you can purchase every fucking chinkshit listed on /csg/ through amazon for few dollars more... and they arrive in a day or two.

>>59595636
>Sennheiser shills being so used to their headphone's veil they can't purchase anything else

>>59596174
HSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs.

>>59596174
>butthurt
wtf does sennheiser have to do with beyerdynamic producing sibilant headphones that make everything hiss?????

>>59596097
Well, why the fuck are you telling me, and not the guy who originally asked for a recommendation? His main reason was that he doesn't want to wait for shipping.

>>59596201
Sorry? I couldn't hear you over your V E I L
Kek.

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I just did some checking...

Amiron is the exact fucking thing as DT 1990 Pro. beyerdynamic just takes the exact same shit driver and changes the can styling and sells it to gullible idiots. about the only thing that's different are holes in cups and earpads... which change the sound only slightly.

pic fucking related.

anyway, stay butthurt and keep on hissing along side whatever music you listen to with that shit.

>>59596272
>hissing
Kek. It took you that long and you couldn't even respond?

VEILHEISERS

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>>59596291

>>59596272
So this is basically a more open version of DT 1990 Pro with a less highs?

>>59596382
Sorry for being too sensitive to highs; maybe you shouldn't have stuck to VEILHEISERS.

Massive kek.

>>59596382
I'd rather have hiss than *SNAP*

>>59596272
ALL of beyer's headphones sound the same, the housing is the only thing that changes the sound.
>>59596410
>having this much BEYERS REMORSE

>>59596452
>Unable to hear any detail
>Unable to hear anything else due to Sennheiser's VEIL

Oh man, anon. I'm very sorry about your loss.

>>59595312
You should have gotten DT880, 770 are too sharp for no good reason and are less balanced sound wise but maybe it gives an edge of clarity in classical music but IMO they end up downplaying and masking other parts of music, at least that what I've felt comparing DT880, DT770 and HD600.

>>59596410
>VEILHEISERS
wow... what a butthurt. and I don't even use senns. but stay mad, beyerdynamic hisser.

>>59596502
>I don't even use senns
Then what do you use? Oh right, you can't tell us because you're a lying, sad little man.

>>59596495
>You should have gotten DT880, 770 are too sharp for no good reason and are less balanced sound wise but maybe it gives an edge of clarity in classical music but IMO they end up downplaying and masking other parts of music
They all sound more or less the same you fool. >>59588513

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>>59596528
>Then what do you use?
does this look like senns to you, you fucking retard?

Hello friends, I'm looking to buy a nice-ish set of headphones for myself after using nothing but $10 IEMs for years. I'll be using them for videos as much as for music. I've done a little bit of reading and from what I understand this is what I want:

>Budget
Less than $150US
>Source
PC
>Type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Medium/high, I wear glasses so they shouldn't push too much on the side of the head

Any recommendations would be appreciated; I feel like I'm a little in over my head with this.

>>59596558
>mudphones from different brand
Should have just bought shitheisers if you wanted mud, nothing beats them at veil.

>>59596502
>I don't even use senns
Thank god. You'll never have to experience Sennheiser V E I L.

>>59596533
>Having to shill for Sennheisers

Stop cucking other with your veilheisers, you silly fool.

>>59595312

Kek. Sennshills can't face the truth about their brand.

>>59596558
How does it feel to have such shit taste?

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>>59596573
>buttmad beyerdynamics hisser is still mad
kek'd. stay mad. stay stupid. enjoy that hiss. I'll leave you now to sulk at your own depression and stupidity.

>>59596586
retard is still mad. kek.

keep enjoying that hiss!

>>59596611
As long as you keep staying VEILED, silly Sennshill.

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>>59596588
>How does it feel to have such shit taste?
dunno.. have you tried asking your mom?

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>>59596619

>>59596620
>Sennheiser shill will defend this argument

>>59596620
i expected childishness from an infantile mind such as yours
up your game ... or get out

>>59596636
Awww, silly veilheiser shill has to damage control using something he can't even handle.

Kek. If only you didn't buy veilheisers, then maybe you wouldn't have to listen with all that V E I L.

>>59596452
>>having this much BEYERS REMORSE

holy shit
that was a good one.

>>59596565
HD598.

Community manager here. Can we all agree to disagree?

HE400I and Schiit Stack. Looking for the next step. New cans or new gear? Was thinking abotu Jotunheim but also thinking about HD800 in the future and from what I"ve read those are not a good pair.

>>59596704
>He can't even handle highs

Massive kek. You really do like your V E I L, don't you?

>>59596565
HD558

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>>59596452
>BEYERS REMORSE
Sorry I missed this epic retort anon. Quoted, saved, stored into my future maymay lexicon!

>>59596704
>>59596728
Thank you, I worked hard on it

>>59596452
>BEYERS REMORSE
That iHSSSSsssssss fucking brilliant!

>>59596565
>Comfort
>OB-1
>HM5
>SHP9500S
>HD 558
>AD-700X

>>59596719
The shitstack should be shitty enough for now. Grab some cans. You've got juice for plenty of cans.

If you're spending more on amps than cans, you're doing something wrong.

HD600 is a good start.

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>>59594594

They're fine. Just make sure none of the songs you listen to don't have any "s"-es in their lyrics.

>>59596565
>Comfort, neutral, open, $150.

HD598se.

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>>59596705
>>59596727
>>59596742

Thanks, I'll check those out.

>>59596774
Literally a downgrade. Do not listen to this retard.

Can we get a new thread? I don't have any borderline CP anime girls to post fro the OP so I can't do it myself.

>>59596784
>>59596705
Why do you guys keep recommending these when they're the same as HD558?

>>59596774
I have the HE400S as well which seem to compare pretty closely to the HD600 (Tyll even said they were a better version of the HD600). Didn't care for the HE400S that much. My key areas I want to improve on are soundstage and imaging. K712 seems like a good try but they seem like a sidegrade and I'm going to lose bass big time.

>>59596781
Make sure not to recommend anything less detailed than them

>>59596781
lol, BEYER REMORSERS can't even listen to >>59596005

1,2 HSSsh, Hssss

NEW BREAD

>>59596811

>>59596811

>>59596811

>>59596811

ps: let's keep the new thread hiss free.

>>59596809
Maybe time to play with some planars?

>>59596833
I have the HE400I lol

>>59596842
>HE400I
Oh nevermind. Took me a while to process :D

Well, I'd look at HD800S, for senns.

The non-S version is sibilant (hsss!), might as well get some DT990 and enjoy some proper beyers remorse.

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So /hpg/ i hope u guys listening flac files, right? So what is the best place free or not to download this? i use http://flac-lossless.org/ and https://thepiratebay.org/.

>>59583155
>Psst, the senhs are simply better sounding headphones
I like the 598 but it has:
>worse bass
>worse highs
>worse soundtstage (though not by much)

unless you're using it as an audio all-rounder, I would not recommend the 598 unless you know you want a headphone where the high point is the mids. personally for music I would take the AKG.

>>59585537
Great waifu

>>59596495
The DT880s are open back, same as the HD600

I needed closed back and it was down to AT-M70X or DT770s

They were very close, only subtle subjective differences, and the Beyers were half the price, it was pretty much a no-brainer

Also I listen to basically nothing but classical, so there's that

>>59587280
the signatures are so different. maybe you should think about that before buying. the bass is going to be the biggest difference, the x2 will sound huge in comparison and the 598 will sound anemic. mids will be better on the 598, can't get much better than sennheiser mids. upper mids and highs are a bit veiled and cold on the 598, on the x2 they will have a bit of sparkle but will generally sound a bit clearer. neither have as good highs as say a q701 or an hd600. I would get the x2 just cause the price difference is so low, it's much more in the US.

>>59593140
unless you want absolute clamp monsters ala hd280, you'll probably need IEMs, unless you want to mod some drivers into isolation muffs.