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Nice OP meme

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>dat ux

>>59501213
>expecting open sores to produce anything nice looking

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>>59501344
I feel embarrassed for you.

>>59501503
You think that looks good? Looks like shit.

Why do open sores devs always try to copy Apple UI elements? And poorly at that.

>>59501547
Do you believe UI elements are industrial design? I don't give a shit of your tastes tho

xmpp is a good normalfag filter desu.

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New comfy Thinkpad Telegram group

https://t.me/thinkpadgeneral

Signal vs Conversations?
Which one should someone use to be secure?

>>59502547
Both are secure, Conversations is more anonymous but has less features.

>>59502534
Telegram is a botnet

Is it true the Signal uses Google services?

>>59502653

You can use Noise made by Copperhead if you need to run it without Google Play Services. Copperhead even runs there own f-droid repository for it.

>>59502653
>>59502687
Yes if you have it installed, but the most recent version works without it as well. It was a recent change. Try it out.

>>59502687
>>59502653
>Is it true the Signal uses Google services?

It doesn't need Play Services anymore and they also distribute it outside the Play Store now.

https://signal.org/android/apk/

If one person uses Signal and another Conversations, is that a secure chat? :-/

>>59502735
>>59502534
CIA pls get out

homebrewserver.club/have-you-considered-the-alternative.html

>>59502807
They don't use the same protocol or servers.

>>59501099
Shit thread you got wire but not [matrix]

>>59502854
Matrix is still beta

>>59502568
Not him, but as a Signal user do I have anything to worry about? Should someone using Signal even consider conversations?

>>59502955
You already logged and monitored senpai congrats

>>59502955
You have nothing to worry about.

>>59503093
Thanks NSA

>>59502955
>Should someone using Signal even consider conversations?

The only reasons to use Conversations is to host your own server and use multiple devices.

Conversations doesn't have video or voice though.

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>>59503093

>>59503099
If the NSA wanted you monitored, they wouldn't even try to break Signal encryption. They'd just use an Android exploit to monitor your entire phone and you probably use a shitty outdated rom.

Enjoy.

>>59503099
>>59503117
>he thinks his pajeet rom from XDA is keeping him safer than Signal is keeping his Signal conversations.

kek

>>59503140
>>59503172
NSA shills false flagging

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>>59503140
>>59503172
>"Anyway, the NSA can break the security of your cell phone. Use Signal."

>>59503228
>doesn't mention his pajeet ROM from xda
>ignores that argument completely

What are you hiding, anon?

>>59503268
>pretends I said that Signal will matter on a shit pajeet ROM

Nice try, kike.

>>59503279
>Projecting pajeet Tom usage

Are you bottling your rom angst ? This is a safe space release your angst NSA guy

>>59503314
Which shitty ROM do you use, anon?

Is your ROM even patched to March 2017?

>>59502547
>>59502702
>>59502735
>>59502955
>>59503113
Don't use signal. Just don't.
Even though the fact that it requires your phone number and google play services are major red flags, those aren't the real problems with signal. The actual reason not to use it is that it's completely centralized. All servers are controlled by the company behind signal so every signal user will be completely dependent of them forever. This might not be a big problem now, but what if signal grows more and becomes a serious replacement for whatsapp? It will just need one commercially focussed new ceo and the privacy policy will be changed, and once again nobody will be willing to switch just like it went with whatsapp. And in any case, NSA will still have just one place to look when they try to track someone because all signal messages go through signals servers. No, they wouldn't be able to read them, but they could still track who's talking to who. And remember where i just said signal controlling all servers is not a problem right now? it actually is already. Because signal made the service open source but the server you have to use is still partly closed source. So we're already not sure what they are doing there. Wow. What a surprise. But the good news is: all of this cant happen with xmpp. Yay! Because xmpp is decentralized. So it's an open protocol everyone can build clients for and everyone can host his own server to keep his messages in his own hands. Off course many people don't do that and use a public xmpp server but there area lot of them, so a government should controll every server in the world to get a complete picture. You are free to host or use a server you trust and if any server (or client program) violates your privacy you just ditch it for an other one without having to abandon all your friends. Isn't that great! That's why everyone's shilling xmpp and why I'm taking the time to post a complete bible about it. Just stop using sigmeme and go for actual privacy.

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>No one uses XMPP
>Hard to convince friends use conversation because it doesn't have the features apps like kik, and telegram use.
>tfw the botnet wants me to have no friends

>>59503268
t. not NSA

>>59503482
this.
normies >>>/out/

>>59503985
>Hard to convince friends use conversation because it doesn't have the features apps like kik, and telegram use.

My friends are the same way. They kinda have a point though. There's really not much reason to move from Whatsapp if they aren't paranoid.

>>59504033
They're wrong and so are you.

>>59504074
The NSA doesn't give a fuck about you, dude. You can use Signal or Conversations all you want and it doesn't change anything for you unless you are literally an enemy of the Jews.

I keep getting registration failed when trying to get into conversations. Anyone getting this? Am i doing something wrong?

>>59504182
What server are you registering with?

>>59504101
You're a fucking moron if you believe that.

>>59504193
just going with the default conversations.im

>>59504182
Hmm no thats weird. At which server are you trying to register? and do you allready have an account or are you trying to make a new one?

>>59504207
Unless you are publishing anti-Jewish reading material online or something even more disruptive to the Jewish-controlled states like the US or Germany, you are literally nothing to the NSA.

>>59504227
Making a new one >>59504218

>>59504231
Keep telling yourself that sheep. How's the blue pill treating you champ?

>>59504101
off course they don't care about you now. But if they ever start to care they will have your complete life history logged to use against you. And don't bring the "nothing to hide nothing to fear' nazi meme because we have no idea what kind of facist government we'll have in 10 years

>>59504256
I use encryption, goy. I don't trust the kikes.

I'm just saying that the kikes don't give a shit about you if you believe their lies.

>>59504246
hmm thats really odd. you could try registering at reep.im, if that works fine you know at least that it's a problem with conversations' server, also creep is russian based and has all the xep's you need so you might just keep using it as its free.

>>59504319
creep.im*

Wire is pretty comfy.

>>59504331
creep.im works, is using this server actually better than conversations.im?

>>59504415
Not better, but quite as good and it's free. Conversations is probably more stable but creep might be more private as it's hosted by an individual in russia. Both are great anyway.

>>59503985
>Install Signal
>All messages are unecrypted because I can't reason with people why they should install it.
>Install Conversation
>Litterally no one has ever heard of it, and with a bunch of instant messengers, conversation is the least appealing to my friends

>>59504415
>creep.im works

Yeah but I don't wanna give somebody that domain in my ID. Makes me look weird.

What's the next best server that doesn't make me look like a pedophile?

>>59504918
creep is a pretty well known server desu, jabber users wont be scared of you hehe. Anyway, the first few on this list should be fine: https://gultsch.de/compliance_ranked.html

Servers here:
https://gultsch.de/compliance.html

Email or message the server operators to enable the features.

xmpp: [email protected]

>>59505137
>>59505138
Why are you guys recommending creep if it is not fully compliant according to that list?

>>59505168
Not necessarily recommending it, just asked the other anon to register there for troubleshooting because im registered there so i'm sure it's up now. It is a great server tho mostly in terms of privacy (has a .onion adress for example)

Also, recommended servers? Although the link shows the latest features any experience on how maintained the most enabled servers are?

Who should I trust, the Germans or the Russians?

>>59505951
Look that the OP

>>59505986
They pretty much recommend creep.

>been using pidgin
>found out from this thread that gajim is better

fuck, time to switch

>>59505986
If you want well maintained go for conversations.im

>>59506744
really doubt people here use that since it's a paid service

Xmpp is good if your friends can figure it out. For all your normal friends though, tell them to use Wire.

>>59506972
Wire is a proprietary centralized service. At some point in the future they will read something about a change in ToS or aquisition by a third party and then you're back where you left off.

>having people to communicate to over a messaging app

haha cucks

>>59507497
Wire is open source

>>59507569
the client is
the servers are not

>>59507632
The server is being open sourced as well.

>>59505986
>Who should I trust, the Germans or the Russians?
Definitely not the germans, they are known to go hand in hand with NSA.
Make use of the raspberry pi you have collecting dust somewhere and host your own server at home.

>>59507675
i'll believe it when i sees it

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>not using line

Riot.im reporting in

>>59507877
What is line?

>>59507849
this

>>59507961
Another chat service with large low quality emojis called stickers. That's all. Asians love it.

>>59507877
that encryption/obfuscation looks pretty solid
but how do you know who you are chatting with?

>>59501099
excuse me but how the fuck do I use conversation and receive offline messages?

>XMPP
TOP BLOAT

It's so disgusting it's especially mentioned in cat v harmful.
http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/xmpp/
http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/xmpp/
http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/xmpp/

>>59508105
> Linking to literally 10 year old articles

Nice try

https://gultsch.de/xmpp_2016.html

>>59508199
implying 2007 irc and xmpp are different from 2017 irc and xmpp
also phones are bloat

>>59501213
whats that for a chat client? looks quiet cool

>>59508263
Dunno about IRC but xmpp is seeing a lot of development. Good clients, end to end encryption, stream managment. Read up on a topic before you post dumb shit

>>59508358
https://github.com/dino/dino
Hasnt been released yet so don't expect stability.

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>>59508386
The client desktops deserve*

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Is xabber a good client?

>>59508521
No get Conversations instead. Its free on fdroid

Does telegram delete your contacts and messages from their servers if you deactivate your account?
I've found this in their faq
https://telegram.org/privacy#accounts
https://telegram.org/privacy#messages
>Except for cats.
We never delete your funny cat pictures, we love them too much.
Aren't they funny guys

>>59508586
Thanks it wasnt free on google play

>>59508372
>bloat
>bigger bloat
>horrible bloat

>>59502955
yes, all your shit is logged because all of your keyboard input goes to google

>>59508620
You can manually remove media from Telegram. Do that before you nuke the account. They claim to nuke everything but you may as well do it yourself first.

>>59503482
ty for spreading the gospel anon

>>59509674
As in, delete chat history and then let it do it to the other person too?
Or message for message? I deleted some chats so I can't do it for each message, one by one, manually.

>>59503268
Can you stop your le happy jew merchant posts?

>>59508620
>>59509674
The telegram server is closed source kids, so it doesn't matter if you can delete stuff or not cus you have no idea how your data is processed there. Goddamn why do I still have to explain this

Conversation best client

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>>59501576

Not all open source is ugly

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>>59501099
Objectively correct

>>59510472
So, what's the chance to all that shit leaking?

>>59514235
Its not chance its probably kbg botnet. Isis uses it so its heavily monitored

>>59514476
>Its not chance
what do you mean?
I meant an actual leak of messages and phone numbers, not a goverment spying on telegram

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>>59508025
>low quality emojis

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>>59512873
>>>59501576
>Not all open source is ugly
I'm sorry :S

>>59513157
Replicant sucks

>>59512873
Your software is dead lol

>>59516798
And it's your fault.

>>59508372

fine, taking the bait.

does xmpp have user friendly conversation history and effortless batteryfriendly googlefree background notifications already?

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>>59517076
>batteryfriendly googlefree background notifications already?
it had that for about a year now

>>59517076
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0357.html
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0198.html
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0352.html

Why shouldn't I just use Facebook Messenger? Why would I use XMPP instead of what I already use?

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>>59517513

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>>59517839
It has encryption, and a successful company like Facebook can do that a million times better than you freetards.

Prove me wrong.

>>59517889
>game of feminism image

yeah you're a little faggot. enjoy being botnetted

>>59501099
Just use Riot senpai.
It has video conferencing and shit.

>>59517998
It's beta and still too buggy.

>>59517839
A year ago you would have been right, but I've been moving back to it and would seriously like to know.

>>59501099
>have to host your own server to get in a chatroom with a handful of other autists
just use IRC.

>>59518307
That's not even what you have to do

>>59518307
>there's the possibility to host your own server
>thinks he has to
oh dear

>>59517839
It uses the exact same encryption protocol as Signal with the benefit of having people you know actually using it.

>>59519760
Not by default you dumb faggot

>>59519786
...so?

>>59519806
you want every chat to be encrypted you dumb shit

>>59519816
You can encrypt all of them.

>>59519760
>literally facebook
Come on man, they keep track of who you're messaging and sell it to advertisers. You should know that by now dipshit

>>59519843
"Encrypt" you mean

The app is closed source, so you don't actually know if your chats are encrypted.

>>59519910
>>59519922
The way the Signal protocol works is such that anyone who implements it cannot read any of the messages. That's the whole point of it. Even Open Whisper Systems verified that this was the case at Facebook.

>>59519948
>Even Open Whisper Systems verified that this was the case at Facebook.

They only said they were consulted for an implementation. They can't actually read the Facebook source code, and neither can you.

Try to learn some critical thinking, retard.

>>59519988
No, they said directly that "They use our open source Signal Protocol libraries, and we've verified that the integration was done appropriately." It's literally on their website. I don't know why you didn't bother to look it up.

Stop saying "encrypt" and "encryption".

It's called "encipher" and "encipherment".

Crypts are where dead people lie.

>>59520087
>"They use our open source Signal Protocol libraries, and we've verified that the integration was done appropriately."

All that means is that somebody from Facebook showed them what they did using their libs and they said yep, that's right, now pay us a consulting fee. I read everything they did on their blog.

They can't read the Facebook source code. They can't actually guarantee that Facebook is encrypting anything. They are nothing more than paid consultants.

You
are
retarded

>>59519948
Anon....they can still see the traffic so like i said, they keep track of who you're talking to.. and like i also said, it's fucking facebook, they use anything to "improve" ads
Somewhere i'm still hoping youre trolling us all cus your way of reasoning is just unbelievable

>>59520168
If you can't trust Open Whisper System's professional verification of their own libraries I don't know why you trust their encryption at all, sorry bud.

>>59520205
That's the case for any platform unless you use a VPN and unverifiable pseudonyms. If you call someone via the Signal app people can find out who you're calling, but they can't discern the contents of your conversation.

>>59520266
>If you can't trust Open Whisper System's professional verification of their own libraries

That's not the point, retard. The point is that you can't trust Facebook to actually encrypt anything. They can literally put up a dummy notification saying that your chat is encrypted and not actually encrypt anything at all. They are just using OWS to legitimize their product.

Until Facebook opens their source code the way Signal's code is open, you don't know shit, you stupid fuck.

>>59520266
>That's the case for any platform
That's why you want to use a decentralized service like xmpp, this rant pretty much explains it >>59503482

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>>59520100

>>59520336
Signal's code IS open. Facebook even published a technical paper about how they use it and its implementation was verified. You don't have to trust OWS when they say they verified that Facebook's use of the Signal protocol works like it's supposed to, but then I don't know why you would trust their protocol at all at that point.

In any case, you haven't given me any reason to use XMPP, which doesn't implement this security protocol at all, over what I already use besides telling me that I can't trust OWS.

>>59520379
Again, Facebook Messenger's code is not open. That means Facebook Messenger can do whatever the fuck it wants, including lie to you about encrypting your messages.

You can't read their code.
OWS didn't read their code.
Nobody outside the most trusted (and legally contracted) Facebook employees can read their code.

Are you even reading what I say?

>>59520379
>>In any case, you haven't given me any reason to use XMPP, which doesn't implement this security protocol at all

Not that guy but this whole thread has been about how XMPP now has the option of using OMEMO, which is an audited version of the Signal protocol. XMPP is just as secure as Signal, and more trustworthy than Facebook because you can actually read all the code.

>>59520356
This changes nothing.

>>59520408
Sure, they could lie, but I trust OWS when they said they checked and verified that they weren't lying.

>>59520443
Sounds cool.

>>59520526
>I trust OWS when they said they checked and verified that they weren't lying.

They didn't say they read the Facebook source code. They never guaranteed that encryption was happening. They just verified that Facebook understood how to implement it.

You are a gullible retard.

>>59520543
>"They use our open source Signal Protocol libraries, and we've verified that the integration was done appropriately."
>They don't know that they're using the Signal protocol libraries and they did not verify that it was integrated appropriately to encrypt messages.
You sound seem confused.

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>>59508051
hmm?

>>59501099
What's wrong with wire?

>>59503482
I don't understand. How can you be able too hop from host to host but also retain the ability to talk to all the friends you know via xmpp? If everyone is hopping around, how does everything stay organized? Wouldn't IDs and stuff change?

>>59508025
> low quality emojis
>largest sticker repository
>official stickers
>apng stickers and more

>>59521196
It's not exactly stable, and was criticized a lot for security issues. they might actually make it good now that they are doing regular audits.

Why is the MUC so quiet and empty?

>>59521508
Nobody uses XMPP.

>>59521516
awww

>>59520379
Obviously using ows own server side code that isn't audited or open source. Including the fact we don't know what metadata they store and metadata is as important as the actual content discussed in the eyes of cia/nsa. Signal isn't as private or secure as xmpp.

>>59521573
>Including the fact we don't know what metadata they store and metadata is as important as the actual content discussed in the eyes of cia/nsa.

But we do.

https://whispersystems.org/bigbrother/eastern-virginia-grand-jury/

>>59521455
>>59521196

Wrong. The problem is that they are a centralized proprietary service.

>>59522357
It's mostly open source

>>59522367

>mostly

The client is. The server side stuff is not. They are a for-profit company and have centralized their service. How do you think they will make money in the future? Not from the 4.99 you pay every month.

>>59522381
>The server side stuff is not.

They have said:

>All Wire client code is on GitHub and the server code will be open sourced by the end of Q1, 2017.

https://medium.com/wire-news/wires-independent-security-review-61f37a1762a8#.8r92m1hob

>>59522148
That's good to know, I feel much better about recommending Facebook's Signal-encryption setting to my friends now knowing this.

>>59521294
federation

xmpp is dead

>>59524101
n-no

>>59524101
>>59525577
xmpp died harder than sadam hussain but there's a lot of development going on lately. new clients like conversations and dino and the implementation of omemo and jingle are actually turning this into the dream messaging service we have been waiting for so im quite hopefull

>>59521508
People us at work during the day

>>59501099
how is this meme called?

>>59527778
but that was night time

>>59530081
people us at sleep during the night

>>59531602
wat

>>59524101
not here!

>>59521324
>stickers

die