/pcbg/ - PC Building General - 20 Trillion Operations per Second

Is an EVGA
>210-GQ-0650-V2
worth it? It's gold rated.

I know I heard the SuperNova ones were supposedly bad was recommended the G2-3, but said G2-3 are expensive as fuck, so I'm asking.

>>59432517
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=454
Very good unit.

>>59432544
Thanks for the link.

>>59432481
Thinking of doing an upgrade, current rig is
>i5 2500k
>GTX 970
>2x8GB ram
>Asus P8P67 Pro

Because I live in a shitty eastern european country where the 7700k is over 50 euro(54$) more expensive than the 6700k I had to make some weird choices.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HG6vVY

>6700k
>2x8GB 3200MHz Corsair
>Maximus VIII Hero

Any suggestions on what to improve there? I'm kind of split between the VIII Hero and Ranger(I do like the extra 2 SATA ports but dunno if it's worth the 40 euro(42$) price increase.

Also, Ryzen is too expensive here(1700 is 35 euro more and 1700x is 80 euro more)

>>59432809
your specs are still decent, why not save up for money or at least wait for ryzen 5 chips to come and see if they're good or if intel lowers their prices on i5.

>>59432809
I assume you really want that motherboard for its features, right? Otherwise you could go with a more plain z170 and save more money instead of paying extra for gaymur shit. Actually you could probably go with a cheap z270 mobo and still have enough money for a 7700k

>>59432853
I've been delayin this for a while and there are some tech sales here so rather do it now.

>>59432875
Well, wanted the VIII Hero for the 8 sata slots.

The VIII ranger is pretty cheap here - 185 euro, same price as a Z170-A.

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Got my new motherboard, rgb strips, 240mm aio, case fan, thermal paste, and 3600 cl15 samsung b-die dimms just waiting on my case now. This is the worst. I wanna UPGAYAYADE

>>59432977
there's many other boards with 8 sata ports

you're better off getting a cheaper z270 mobo and 7700k.

and R5 chips are just around the corner (they already released the lineups and prices).

still, your money and i cant stop you.

>https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232173
Will this RAM work with a R5 CPU and mobo?

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Please rate what's inside in red. GPU & HDD are undecided and will be bought at a later date so don't comment on it please.

Upon this I'd also like recommendations for case, I don't know anything about cases, like dimensions, dust filters, etc... so I'm a bit lost. So far I only found one that seems alright which is this one :

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yLDzK8/fractal-design-case-fdcadefsbkw
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/svVBD3/fractal-design-case-fdcadefsbk

>>59432992
>>>/v/

>>59433039
yes but why the fuck would you buy 2400mhz retarded gaymur ram with huge heatsinks that sticks up when you can get 3000mhz ram with standard heatsink that doesnt stick up for the same price?

>>59433058
good/10 but get a better cooler if you want to OC properly without a housefire

>>59433058
get a cheap 10 dollar cooler.

you cant OC on air and a stock cooler will do just as good of a job as a big bulky cooler.

thermal damage is non existent in cpus, raising the voltage is the only thing that lowers life time.

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>>59433100
>you cant OC on air
please leave

>>59433081
You calling that part selection "good" has taken away all credibility from your request that I go to /v/.

Your statement on 2400mhz vs 3000mhz shows you only parrot things you read. There are other options but you are not aware of them because you don't really know how computers work, you just read "3ghz is best value in ram" and repeat it.

Die. die. die. die. leave. i hate you

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>>59433153
>>>/out/

>>59433129
>airlet thinks he can bully anyone
im running 240mm water AIO.

fuck off retard.

>>59433081
>but get a better cooler if you want to OC
I'll only OC in a couple years when I'll need it I think, until then I won't up the voltage much at all I think as it's unneeded for what I'll do.

But for a better cooler, I was thinking the Cryorig H5 Ultimate (should fit since the RAM I picked is low profile) or Noctua NH-L12; thoughts?

>>59433100
Unless you can provide a source on this I'm afraid I'll still go with a medium cooler, I'd like to not have constant 80°C.

>>59433081
Because it was cheaper. And because I'm getting a B350 mobo which only supports up to 2666

>>59433100
>you cant OC on air
My 4,6ghz 6600k begs to differ

>>59433197
Go ahead and post proof.

Pick of case + pick of temperature and OC from your monitor on full load.

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>>59433185
but it's not cheaper if you can get 3000Mhz RAM for the same price you fucking retard

>>59433215
>>59433172
you're pathetic and retarded. try reading a single article where they compare cpu coolers, there's fucking thousands of them if you knew how to type "cpu cooler comparison" into google, you fucking imbecile.

>>59433100

Uhh you can but you're gonna have to use a huge ass tower and check ram/case clearances

>>59433313
>you're pathetic and retarded. try reading a single article where they compare cpu coolers, there's fucking thousands of them if you knew how to type "cpu cooler comparison" into google, you fucking imbecile.
>no proof
good try retard.

>>59433313
Show me a 3000mhz kit thats cheaper.

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>>59433343
>no proof
are you blind or just fucking retarded?

>>59433197
>you cant OC on air

By "air", do you mean you have no cooler of any kind on the cpu, or do you mean you have fans on the cpu and not a liquid cooler on the cpu?

I sure you have a cooler on your 6600k cpu. I've read several threads where people have lost that cpu to OC'ing above 4 ghz WITH a cooler. Coolers are cheap enough. Superb coolers are available for plenty cheap. You could get yourself a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO for $25. You could get an excellent liquid cooler for $100 (Corsair H100i). Both of those would be preferrable to spending $250 for another 6600k and perhaps also $150 for a motherboard.

tl;dr - unwise to OC a 6600k to 4.6ghz without a cooler on the cpu.

>>59433369
He's obviously baiting you. Just give up, we all know he's wrong.

>>59433369
>My 4,6ghz 6600k begs to differ
>Intel Core i5-2500k
>nigger thinks I cant read.
>still no case pics
nice try nigger.

>>59433197
>>59433313

Where's your 6600k?

>>59433367
i said 3000Mhz RAM was the same price as the fucking 2400mhz shit ram for $110 you posted, learn to read, retard.

http://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#s=403000&t=14&sort=a10&Z=16384002

>>59433387
>implying samefag
>implying this isnt better proof because 2500k is older and runs hotter than a 6600k
please KYS

>>59433398
>implying samefag
where's your brain?

>>59433399
>>implying this isnt better proof because 2500k is older and runs hotter than a 6600k
proof?

case proof?

fuck off nigger if you arent going to post either.

>>59433029
Hmm, so you think going for a 7700k is worth the extra 50 euro? 7700k is 390 euro here and 6700k is 340, so thats about 20% price increase for a ~5% performance increase.

>>59433100
4.4ghz 6600k coolermaster hyper212
max temp: 51c on any core

>>59432481
Should I buy a new case for my build or can gut and use my old 2008 HP a6750y's mid size atx case? Is there something I'd get from a newer case that I wouldn't get from this one?

my coolmax v600 600w psu is dying, is an evga b1 600w psu good for a future upgrade to 6700k + 1070. I would the psu be silent under load (fx 8320e + 7850 current build)?

>>59433470
EUfag here and the Asus PRIME Z270M-PLUS is at less than 130€ where I live. Check your amazon and see how much it costs.

Pretty sure it has enough features too. It's a miniATX I think.

>>59433471
still no proof.

pics of case, pics of temp and OC from the monitor.

>>59433470
it OCs higher, but if it's worth €50 more is up to you. but it might not be that much more if you wait until Ryzen5 is released.

>>59433479
Better airflow and more front io, usually. And aesthetic.

>>59433507
Can't do that while phoneposting
>case
Corsair carbide 100r
>temps
~30c idle, highest i saw during my usual load was 65c

>>59433507
He's obviously baiting, it's common knowledge unless you put liquid metal all over your CPU and use a mini fridge to cool it it's L I T T E R A L Y impossible to overclock.

Stop responding to him.

>>59433441
Askimg for proof on a site where people pist random screen caps and snips of unattributed "benchmarks" and charts without even links. Where the goal posts are always moving and somehow low rez gaymen tests are now invalid after decades of use because g thats why


Rake yo leafs faggit

Saged

>>59433572
I only use liquid nitrogen, cause I'm not a fucking pleb.

>>59433479
>Should I buy a new case for my build

Depends on the build. If you plan to get a high-end cpu and gpu with the intent to do some overclocking, I'd go with a new case because your case appears to have poor airflow potential. I strongly recommend the Fractal Design R5.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352048&cm_re=Fractal_Design_Define_R5-_-11-352-048-_-Product

>>59433507
I'm not the same guy, buy I will get you your pics one second

>>59433620
I recommend fractal design as well.

All other cases are nigger-tier, they just can't compete.

How is the Evga gtx 1070 acx 3.0? It is a good choice?

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>>59433507
here are my temps, case pic coming

When are custom 1080ti coming out?

>>59433685
thats not OC'd you retard.

>>59433620
>>59433657
I asked about cases here >>59433058 but instead people argued about air coolers so if you can help please do I'd appreciate it.

Also are Fractal cases big enough if I end up buying a tower cooler?

>>59433717
okay I give up

>>59433685
>>59433717
my mistake, it is.

what cooler is on there?

>>59433399
My point still stands. Why get 3000mhz RAM when the mobo doesn't support it?

>>59433723
do you really think they would be as popular as they are if they couldnt fit every tower air cooler on the market?

>>59433737
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099&cm_re=coolermaster_hyper_evo_212-_-35-103-099-_-Product

>>59433750
pic of case or its fake.

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>>59433764

>>59433504
Cheapest I could find that one is 155 euro but it has only 4 SATA ports and in general I ain't a fan of miniATX.

>>59433799
take a pic of >>59433685 with your phone.

>>59433540
>>59433620
Thanks for the info. The a6750y's motherboard died and probably took the ram with it. I'm still trying to decide what to do with it. I guess since the case isn't good for higher end builds, I should probably make sure I don't invest too much into the parts I put in it.

>>59433854
>I guess since the case isn't good for higher end builds, I should probably make sure I don't invest too much into the parts I put in it.
wrong. you can just switch the case. the only thing you have to worry about is the PSU being some cheap shit.

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>>59433831

Reposting. My motherboard( https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132855 ) says asus aura on it. It just got here. I have a RGB strip from phanteks because I also ordered a phanteks case and the strip says it works with asus aura. I see no rgb header on the motherboard nor is it mentioned in the manual. Do i just plug it into a PWM case fan header????

>>59433893
alright its real my nigga.

>>59433893
>>59433935
edit: thats a different pc, fake as shit

>>59433946
I don't know how to help you

>>59434042
record a video of all the cables going to your pc with the air cooler to ensure that the monitor is connected to that pc.

show the monitor in the video as well.

>>59434042
stop feeding the troll you retard

>>59433882
The psu is 300 watt.

Anyway, are you saying it's not worth using the case at all? All the parts in it that weren't damaged by the motherboard dying are probably too old to be used for a modern build, right?
http://www.support.hp.com/us-en/document/c01619708/

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>can't even watch a youtube video and run a virtual machine at the same time, that the cpu cooler starts sounding like a hair dryer

at least i'm getting a better one soon

>>59434144
no im saying you dont need to buy shitty parts just because you have a shitty case.

but you might want to upgrade that PSU so you can buy better parts.

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I've owned computers for over 25 years. I've never had more than one video card at a time. I've never had more than two HDD's at a time. I haven't used a DVD drive for at least the last eight years.

After giving that some thought, it appears that I don't really need an ATX Mid Tower. I was about to go with the Fractal Design R5. After giving it some thought, I think I will go with the Fractal Design Mini C MicroATX Mid Tower. It seems like all the size I've ever needed. I'm going to put three fans up front (thus, the two added Noctua fans). Thoughts?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PgN24C

One other question: I'm wondering about the fans. The case comes with two 120mm Fractal Design GP12 fans, and I am adding two 120mm Noctua NF-F12 fans. I want three fans up front. Should I use one of the Noctua to push out the back or should I have both Noctua pulling from the front?

>>59433820
>it has only 4 SATA ports
Doesn't that only mean you can only fit 4 SSDs/HDDs? Or am I missing on something here?

>>59434796
yes, exactly

unless it has m.2 or some meme port

>>59434847
I see. Pretty much like ape anon above me I've never had more than HDDs at once so the 4 SATA ports is really not bothering me, I'm still gonna order it.

Another stupid question : currently running an old 232GB Seagate HDD with Win7 - will I be able to put it on my computer in slave mode without problems? My future OS will have Win10 on a SSD.

I have $1500, what the fuck do I get. No peripherals needed.

>>59434890
No problem, just remember to connect your old drive *after* installing windows 10 and your motherboard drivers, this is very important

>>59434935
Yes of course, I meant to do that only after I'm done configuring everything, etc. Cheers.

>>59434905
What monitor(s) do you have? what are you planning to do with your computer?

>>59434947
I did something similar, my old drive couldn't be detected by windows, I had to install the AHCI drivers specially

>>59434971
>AHCI drivers
I'll take notes thanks.

I live in Aregentina and i'm about to sell my old gtx 760, what should i do, i have three options:
>1- gtx 1060 at 330
>2- rx 480 at 355
>3- Wait till the new cards
wat do?

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>>59435594
Depends 100% on what game you're upgrading for. All of the games I play are like 20 fps faster on a 1060 than a 480.

In the mean time is this not the worst feeling in the world. I want to STAAART. Haven't done a full rebuild since 2011.

http://pcpartpicker.com/guide/zQNnTW/entry-level-gaming-build
I kind of just want to go with this build they already picked. Are there any problems with this? It would be my first time building a pc.

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I'm an American with a budget of $400-$600. I already own a keyboard, mouse and a monitor.
Is there a guide for a decent gaming PC? I don't need a lot of power, I've mostly been a console gamer.
[spoiler]I would pirate Windows.[/spoiler]

>>59436276
I don't see anything wrong with it, it's a good budget build.

What's your budget?

Should I upgrade my mobo? When i built my pc a few months back I cheaped out on my mobo and got a Asus z170-E (not cheap, but def not the best) and I wanted to upgrade to,one with more I/o in the back (already using every usb port) and better oc capability, is it worth it? Money isnt a problem but is it that much of a hassle and should I just wait for my mext build?

>>59436411
About $600.

Is 650W overkill for >>59433058?

I can save some money by going EVGA 500/600W Bronze.

>>59436440
Do you absolutely need the 1TB now? You don't have any HDDs right now you can just use on top of the 240GB SDD you're taking and buy 2TB later down the road? Samsung make slightly better SSD by the way, with longer warranty, but again a bit more expensive. SanDisk is fine I think though.

Not a fan of the Dark Team RAMs but who knows maybe someone will prove me wrong. I bet Corsair or G.skill ones are just a few bucks more expensive. Are you taking 2x4GB for dual channel?

>>59436440
Also you should google which RX 470 is best / what their differences are and decide which one you think would fit you and your budget best.

>>59436477
I have an 8 year old 750 gb hdd from my dead prebuilt that might still work.
I can probably go a bit over my budget if it's for the sake of warranties and longevity. Which Samsung ssd should I get instead?
I changed the ram to corsair.

>>59436391
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Erickazo99/saved/dgBWZL

Sadly this puts you fifty bucks over budget, but leaves room for upgrades (ram, storage, etc)
Should do great in just about all games at 1080 60fps high setting at least. Throw the list around and get input from others for better ideas. Also, having microcenter nearby helps for that sweet sweet mobo+cpu combo deal

>>59435719
Thanks, i meant to ask whether its better to upgrade to 480/1060 or waiting for the new cards.

>>59436655
Forgot to mention you could go for a cheaper GPU but RX480 is currently best bang for buck i believe

>>59436642
850 EVO. 750 costs less but less performance and less warranty. You'll also have 10 more GB than with SanDisk.

>>59436391

Read the fucking OP faggot.

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

I own a Seasonic S12II 620W PSU and I want to assemble a PC using an ASRock Taichi and a 1800X CPU with 64GB of ECC RAM from Crucial.

To be able to play some games I intend to buy an RX 480. How much capacity would be left on this PSU?

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/g/-pill me on this. Does it have good airflow? miniATX boards can go in there, right?

What's the point of this aside from having a little computer you can carry around? Is it worse than mid or full towers for someone who never leaves his room and don't care about aesthetic?

Do all the AM4 boards support 3200 RAM speeds?

>>59436439
Consider adding internal USB cards.

>>59436797

If you don't care about aesthetic and never leave your room, why would you buy anything but a mid or full sized tower?

>>59436477
>Are you taking 2x4GB for dual channel?
I forgot to ask you about this. Is there something wrong with 2x4 instead of like 1x8gb?
>>59436498
Besides warrenty, what else should I be looking at?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cwMmJV

This is my current build, with a different but similarly-priced (and no longer in production) old-ass case. Been doing small upgrades over the years and adding extra stuff I get from doing PC builds/repairs for $$$

What should my next upgrade be? I was thinking of getting a new CPU/Mobo/Case and adding on an AiO watercooler pretty soon.

Pic related, mostly idle. Took a ram stick out to test a bench setup.

>>59433379

its unwise to even turn the computer on without a cooler on the CPU you fucking idiot.

>>59436918
No nothing wrong.

>what else should I be looking at?
Anything. There are always topics with people asking, so read them all and form your own opinion. For the RX480 for example after informing myself a bit I learned Asus, XFX and MSi had the best ones for different reasons, so for the RX470 there might also be differences in features and quality depending on who built it.

Just google.

>>59432481
I have a question about my mobo.

I wanted to test to see if my second RAM slot was working, so I put my only ram stick in the second slot, and my PC wouldn't boot. Does that mean my second slot is dead, or does it mean my mobo doesn't boot from the second slot for some reason?

>>59436994
You should always have a RAM stick in your first slot. Just check once the computer is on how much memory is available.

>>59437033
How is that going to tell me if my second slot is working? I only have one stick right now, with a second one on order. Can I really not swap slots to test the second one? Why won't my PC boot with ram in the second slot but not in the first?

>>59437073
I assumed you had two sticks and were only using the second slot for some reason. Just wait for the other to get there. If it's a new-ish mobo or you know it hasn't been smacked around, I'm sure it'll work.

>>59437110
My question is this: Why won't JUST the second slot work? Is it something that affects only my mobo or all mobos? If it's something that works on other mobos, does this mean my second ram slot is dead? If that's the case I'm fucked because my mobo only has two.

>>59437152
I have an old motherboard sitting right next to me that won't boot with the 1 stick I have in the second slot, but is just fine with it in the first. I know both slots work, though, because I used to run this mobo with both in use.

>7700k
>Asus MIX Hero
>16GB Domintaor 3000
>2TB WD Black
>500GB Evo 960 NVMe M.2 SSD
>750W Seasonic Prime Titanium
>Insert Cooler Here
>1080ti of some sort

Any issues with this build so far?

>>59437199
>>59437152

Dual. Data. Rate.

The slots are color coded in pairs on lots of motherboards for a reason.

>>59436854
Yeah I took that into consideration, its really the "I'm itching to make a purchase" that makes me ask the question, but ill probably do that.

>>59437241
850w evga g2 would be better imo seems money isn't a problem and that psu is more expensive

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Am I correct in assuming that if I want to upgrade my CPU I have no other option but to also upgrade my motherboard and memory?

>>59437264
What the hell does that even mean? If it was meant to work in pairs how come just one stick is working?

>>59437295
Do I need the 850W?

I like Seasonic a lot just from past experience with my builds, so not sure I would want to change unless this one is a piece of shit.

>>59437241

Nope, looking gtg. With a 7700k and a 1080ti though you might want to consider full loop cooling.

It's a pretty big upfront expense but most of the equipment will last forever and be usable in future builds. Blocks and tubing are all you would need to change out when upgrading.

>>59437275
Do you own an SSD? If not get one ASAP, there's your upgrade.

>>59437307

Yep.

My roommate just went through the same thing. His PC was running an old haswell i3 of some variety and it was starting to show. He wasn't happy when he found out that he needed a new 1151 socket mobo and DDR4 ram to upgrade.

He ended up with a 7700k and Z270, with 16GB DDR4 though, so it worked out.

>>59437401
yeah I'm not too thrilled about it either.
Luckily my gpu won't need to be upgraded for at least another 2 years (running a 290x), so I'll try to save up enough for this huge upgrade by the end of the year

>>59437426

Yeah he was in exactly the same boat. GTX970 being held back by the rest of his system. It doesn't help that he was using the stock CPU cooler and overheating constantly.

>>59437338
I don't really feel like the full custom loop would be worth the time for me. I don't overclock that hard and I don't really have experience with it.

A closed loop was what I was planning on, but I know that they aren't really the same.

Can I fit
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-Z270M-PLUS/
into
http://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/define-series/define-nano-s
?

They say the Asus z270M-PLUS is an "mATX" aka "miniATX", ok, but the Fractal Nano S is said to able to fit "ITX mobo"... what the hell is "ITX"?
I tried to check for compatibility problems on pcpartpicker but they don't have the Nano design, don't ask me why.

>>59437495
AIO closed loop coolers are a meme, they're almost all exactly comparable or worse to air coolers which are actually cheaper
Air coolers also don't have the risk of leaks or the same hassle of setup
You can't really get high end GPU stock cooling but a big triple fan card will keep that 1080ti under control

>>59437500
>miniATX
Can confirm literally nothing is compatible with miniATX

>>59437539
I usually get fans for the rest of the case and have them setup properly, it won't stay as cool as a custom loop but again I don't like to play with things I don't understand and I feel like there's potential for me to fuck it up.

>>59437554
Seems like it's "microATX", my bad. And pcpartpicker isn't showing me because it's apparently not compatible.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VH2rxr/fractal-design-case-fdcadefnanosbkw
Ah fuck.

>>59437539

I definitely think AIO coolers are a meme. The companies selling them are capitalizing on people who know about and want the benefits of actual water cooling, but are too lazy and cheap to do it right.

People like my roommate.

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>>59437617
>click "specs"
>very first thing I see is "Mini ITX"

>>59437646
Yeah and I asked what the difference was earlier. Didn't know it was "miniITX > microATX > ATX". Thought miniITX and microATX were the same thing and so only 2 sizes existed, not 3.

>>59437677
mITX has 1 pci and microATX has 2.

>>59437633
Unfortunately you get zero benefit over air coolers
Or you drop $200 on a cooler and get a huge radiator kraken which performs slightly better than a $60 noctua aircooler
A 7700k isn't that hard to cool though
I got 4.7GHz on a 6600k with a $20 aircooler with thermal room to spare
>>59437677
They do make a mATX define memecase don't they?

>>59437684
My micro ATX has 4 slots
And the $25 micro ATX case has 5 expansion brackets

>>59437478
I'm, once again, in the same boat.
The stock cooler is actually terrible. My cpu idles at around 50 C and gets up to 80 under load.

The 212 evo is cheap but I've heard good things about it. Is it worth buying?

How important is the motherboard?
From my understanding it's basically just an interface for all your other parts to plug into, so what benefit does a more expensive one have over a cheaper one?

>>59437763
not that important.

just buy a cheap motherboard that has everything you need.

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>>59437685

A good air cooler is just as effective as a loop, if your case is set up right and such. Really the limiting factor is how quickly the heat can move between the die and the cooler.

A nice full loop has benefits beyond strictly cooling performance, though.

I'm running a 6700k @ 4.6GHz and a GTX1080 @ 2025MHz with a custom loop. I've got a ton of thermal overhead if I needed it. With the most demanding benchmarks I've found I can't get any part of the CPU to go over ~60c, and even then just in spikes. My GPU has yet to break 40c.

What I like about it is that it's consistent. My temps don't fluctuate much, and when my fans have to throttle up for increased loads it's very gradual and quiet because I have them controlled off the coolant temp.

It also made tuning my case airflow really easy because I don't need any internal fans mucking things up. I was able to easily set up a really good positive pressure crossflow that keeps dust out.

It's also great if you just like tinkering with shit. It's not for everyone.

>>59437750

212 Evo is your best bet if you're cheap.
Cryorig H5 is a great choice that's only a little more.
The Noctua offerings are top notch if you have the coin.

Currently have:
i5 4670k
24Gb 1600mhz ddr3 ram (i run a osx/win7 vm from time to time)
gtx 770 2gb vram
(and ssd's etc)

What should i upgrade to use a 3440x1440 monitor? (i dont mind gaming in 2560 x 1080 if thats possible)

>>59437853
Damn boi I have the CPU and GPU directly a step below yours, both overclocked higher, on a hyper 212 and a stock gigabyte dual fan cooler

>>59437685
Not true. They also look cool. And a 120mm rad cooler is nearly the same price as a good air cooler, and just as effective.

>in push/pull

>>59437882
A 1070.

>>59437912
>120mm rad cooler
Show me a single, 120mm AiO that performs better than an aircooler of the same price
Show me just one
It's literally impossible without a bigger radiator, and statistically improbable that you get an AiO that even barely matches it

>>59437912
Push/Pull definitely doesn't double the cooling capability

>>59437939
H60. Just as effective was pushing it, but it's close. I got it for $60 and can hit 5ghz with a 7700k at around 75c running aida64.

>>59437955
It doesn't have to. It just makes it usable.

>>59438004
Also, does room temperature have much of an impact at for load temps?

>>59437904

Yeah I haven't pushed my OC too hard. I didn't really do the liquid cooling so I could get extreme overclocks, I mostly did it because I wanted to if we're being honest. Reason number 2 was more for longevity, chips just last longer if they are kept at lower temps. I've literally never had a solid state component fail unless it regularly ran at 80-90c. Third was noise.

That said, I didn't do too hot in the silicon lottery. At 4.8GHz my 6700k wasn't terribly stable, there was a decent chance of a crash during any given 8 hour period. So I rolled it back to 4.6 and haven't messed with it since. Same thing on the GPU. I spent a couple hours playing with the clock speed and got frustrated enough with Precision XOC that I gave up.

Once I upgrade my 60hz monitor to 144hz though, I'm sure I'll be trying to squeeze every last bit out of it.

>>59438018

Absolutely. The warmer the room, the smaller the difference in temperature between the hot component and the cooling medium (the air), so your cooling efficiency drops. It can make a pretty dramatic difference.

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>>59438004
>H60
I swear
I was fuckinghoping you wouldn't be bust out some foot-thick badass radiator with industrial fans but no, you whip out the easiest fucking target and the biggest fucking reason in existence as to why AiOs are a meme
Here's temps

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>>59438074
>but it's actually not unsafe cooling when its at absolute max bro
Here's noise

>>59438038
>chips last longer at lower temps
Source?
What about the hundreds of overclocked 2500ks on cheap coolers that have been throttling at 95° since they were released?

>>59438038
You...
You do know what voltage is right?

>>59438074
Got one of those for load? idle doesn't help me. Is it really that thick? It's the only aio I've owned.
>>59438064
So my 80f room probably isn't great for my benchmarks then.

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>>59438074
>>59438090
The Noctua D14 is clearly the best all-around choice for aircooling, and it being cheaper than any corsair air cooler in existence, never leaking and never having a failed component is just the perks

>>59432544
If can get it about $70usd or so, It's probably the best price-quality ratio unit on the market if you need all-black cables on a gold unit.

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>>59438142
The Kraken or the EKWB AiO are good AiOs but they're also extremely expensive

>>59438074
Also I'm using the stock fan and some cheap rosewill fan. If I could afford industrial I would have gotten an h100 or a kraken.

>>59438108

I don't have a source, I admit my evidence is purely anecdotal.

It might be confirmation bias, but the only times I've ever had to replace a computer component it was something that had been running uncommonly hot (85c+) for extended periods of time. Error rates go up with temperatures too. If you want a real source, look at datasheets for common surface mount components. Above 80c or so things start having problems.

Same thing on cars, honestly. I fix my own cars and components close to heat sources like exhaust are just more likely to fail than those that aren't. It's one of the main reasons the first gen Ford Explorer gained a reputation for an unreliable transmission. Insufficient cooling paired with inadequate heat shielding on the exhaust means higher average temps, and lower MTBF.

>>59438122

I do. I'm not at home right now and I can't remember what it's set at, but I set it wherever the overclock.net guide recommended. Like I said, I didn't fuck with too long. I'll be going back for OC round 2 when my new monitor gets in though.

>>59438209
That's about what I expected. I'd never buy it at full price.

>>59438277
>my explorers broken transmission qualifies me to rate longetivity of computer parts
Don't forget those camshafts man, all those boiling hot moving parts, always breaking because they're hot right?

>>59438324

You're just shitposting. I literally said in the first line everything I had was anecdotal. What are you trying to prove?

That's a piss poor argument though, and you know it. Even for a shitpost. Apply yourself.

>>59438353
It's piss poor because it's not supposed to be my argument it's supposed to be me mocking your piss poor argument
You can honestly believe that a system of explosions and steel that is 100% moving parts designed for literally red-hot metal kinds of heat can be comparable in material thermodynamics to a square of nanometer sized switches?
I'm not even mad about that, it's the fact that you think your exhaust is heating up your transmission to the point of failure instead of realizing that you have a shit truck for junior high students
Even my overheating, aircooled car does not have this problem

>>59438413

You obviously have poor reading comprehension and limited mechanical knowledge.

Stay mad poorfag.

>>59438413

You don't have any idea what MTBF is, or how it relates to reliability, do you?

>>59436655

I haven't looked into pc building in a long time but why do you have only 1 (1x8gb) stick of RAM? Is dual channel not a thing anymore? Why wouldn't you get (2x4gb)?

>>59436964
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Myq79W
Okay so this is what I'm looking at now. I decided on asus because people claim they have good customer support, and I didn't notice any major problems in reviews, at least none that I didn't see in other reviews. Warranty wise they offer 3 years which is good.

>>59438756
>in other reviews.
I mean in other brands.

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this hype is real my niggas

>>59438756
>asus
>good customer service

LOL

worst in the fucking business, I won't rip on you bc you didn't know... but dang. (their products are fine quality, customer service in a tier of its own)


add to the fact that 470s are going for $110, and yeah, get a different 470. rest looks fine

>>59438756
I prefer EVGA to Seasonic but that's just me. Earlier I talked about 2TB because it's most cost efficient than getting a 1TB but that's up to you ultimately.

Otherwise yeah it's pretty good overall. But keep in mind what you showed earlier was still good as well, so depending on your budget feel free to swap things around; that's $100 more than the previous link.

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>>59438756
>on asus because people claim they have good customer support

HAHAHAHAHAHA

OH MY FUCKING

FUCK

WOW NIGGA ARE YOU SERIOUS?

IS THIS NIGGA FOR REAL?

>>59438830
>>59438860
t. MSI shills

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>>59438835
You mean you prefer seasonic to seasonic

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>>59438583

pls respnd

>>59438871
i wish i was

ASUS kept a laptop of mine for RMA service for two and a half months and it wasnt until i called them every single day for a week staight that they decided maybe they should send me a replacement.

they kept my GPU after a VRM literally exploded on it for 3 weeks, just long enough for it to extend past its warranty then sent it back claiming there was nothing wrong with it, when it clearly had fucking burn marks on it and a hole through the pcb.

when i tried to warranty it again they said it was out of warranty sorry, they played this bullshit phone game with me where every time i called they forgot my case number and where my card was and told me to call back later, and when i did i always wound up on hold for two hours while they fucking figured it out.

ASUS is the fucking worst dude, just fucking google it, their BBB rating is in the dirt and there are ltierally thousands of cases you can find online across various forums of similar incidences.

Literally only shills and fucking idiots who don't know better and like muh gaymer ROG shit like asus.

>>59438934
dual channel exists, but the effects are less than they used to be.

single dimms can perform satisfactory so long as the user does not engage programs that have RAM heavy usage.

additionally anon might buy one dimm now and suffer until he can afford another, which is much more cost effective in the long run

>>59438830
Oh, well damn. People said evga was the best but I can't see any evga 470s listed. The other alternative is MSI.
>>59438835
You mean evga psu? I had corsair 450w bronze selected I thought.
Yeah I don't mind.paying more as long as lasts.

>>59438966
Thanks mate

Aside from Fractale, are there any other good cheap cases I should look into?

>>59438902

EVGA units look really nice, and come with great accessories and packaging. Also, the 850W G2 is made by super flower, not seasonic.

Planning on buying a new pc to play 1440p/144hz, no need to go for 4k for now. Also planning on spending the money now and not spending on anything but games for the coming years.

Need to buy the computer and the monitor. The only thing I'm salvaging from my current build is the SSD. Budget is about $3000, live in USA.

Was thinking in either Outstanding or Exceptional from logicalincrements.

Two quick questions.

Is the 7700k worth the extra $90?

GPU wise, 1070, 1080 or 1080ti?

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Which 1080 to buy (in EU/Germany)?

I want to keep this card for ~5 years like my last one so good warranty might be nice. I don't mind spending a bit extra compared to the cheapest model.

I'm really unsure which manufacturer I want. I planned for EVGA but the whole VRM flame thing got me worried. I know it's probably blown out of proportion but you know what FUD makes of you...

I have experiences with
>XFX (card was dead after like 6 months, totally shit)
>Sapphire (card was dead after 1 year with strange issues, tried to get them to repair it before refunding, not possible)
>Asus (Only had a laptop from them but seriously the worst piece of shit ever)
>MSI (My motherboard is from them. Still working fine after ~6 years, but the BIOS is shit, you need to save everything 3 times before it actually saves it..., but hardware wise OK)
>Gigabyte
My current ~5 y/o video card is from them. Working fine still (all my other cards died within 1 year), no coil whine. But the card isn't very rigid so it kind of "bends down" in my case and then the fans rattle a bit. But if you prop it up, no rattling.

So far I'm torn between MSI and Gigabyte. I've been looking at Zotac too but their website is kind of off-putting (it automatically redirects me to a shitty google-translated version in German, no company/branch address in Germany/Europe, looks not very reassuring...)

>>59439226
>1440p/144hz,

get the 7700k. Delid it.

Buy two 1080 tis. Then you'll be set for 1440p @ 144hz for a few years.

btw hope you weren't hoping to have a PREMIUM 1440p@144hz system for 3 grand b/c it isnt gonna happen. (:

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>>59439314
But logicalincrements said I could play witcher 3 in 1440 very smooth with an exceptional build

>two bad motherboards in a row

Hey guys, Aus-nigger here who has no clue about this kind of thing. I want a gaming rig to run mutliplayer shit like Battlefield 1 and DayZ.
But I also want to play around with game level design using programs like Blender and Unity.
Apart from that, just add general use like web surfing, using Word/Excel etc, watching YouTube cancer.
The last part of that list doesn't really matter, but what kind of rig do I need for gaming and running shit like Blender and Unity?

>>59439036
>the 850w
Don't tell me that's what you were looking at

>>59439287
You can also ignore the Germany thing if you just know a good card. I'm sure I'll find it somewhere.

>>59439348
I do wit muh $1100 nice video game console
Muh 70fps witcher

>>59439348
smooth is 60 fps friendo

not 144fps, which is what you want.

trust me, I fell down this rabbit hole long ago, my 750 dollar monitor only begat two 750 dollar GPUs. And it still wasn't enough. I sold my 980 ti's last month and am currently waiting on two 1080 tis. Which should be enough for a few years. One 1080 Ti is "Kinda" enough for "Most" games out now. But I want it to be solid 144fps at 1440p.

You're going to spend 70% of your budget on a monitor and GPUs. doesn't leave much for cpu, mobo, ram, hdd, ssd, case, fans, cooling, etc etc etc.

Sorry friendo, you've come down a trecherous path that only rich fags walk easily.

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How does this look guys.

I already have a case (HAF 912), and plenty of HDD storage laying around.

All I'm looking to improve on is lowering the price without sacrificing much performance. Making parts available from a single vendor like Newegg is preferable.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pgxtRG

>>59439395
>he didn't buy Gsync, eliminating all fps dragon-chasing forever

>>59439395
I see. Maybe I'm mistaken and it was 120 or 144 hz monitor which read it was a big difference.
In that case, would it be 1440/60fps on 120 or 144 hz?

>>59439421
I did buy a gsync monitor you nerdlord. There is not a gpu in this world that can push 144hz solid. Theres always frame drops. two 1080 Ti's should minimize these as much as is currently physically possible.

>>59439427
What? Logical increments isn't a bad website but its far from totally accurate.

>>59439453
There's always frame drops but it doesn't matter when the vast majority of the problem caused by frame dips is solved
143fps doesn't look like shit with gsync, it just looks like "proper" 143fps without tearing or additional latency

Anyone here have an AM4 motherboard? Cant find any reviews on them other than unboxing videos.

>>59439453
Basically, I think I want to skip 1080 and go for the next step, which seems to be 1440.
Also, read that there is a big difference between 60hz and 120/144hz.
I want to spend some money and play most games on ultra and a high refresh rate. Not sure if that makes sense

>>59439511
Sure get a 1440p monitor, but don't waste your money getting one that does 144Hz unless you're also ready to spend EVEN more money on a fuckhueg gpu setup.

Just get 60fps. a 1080 Ti will be able to push 1440p@60FPS on Ultra for a few years.

Like go to a microcenter and find a display 144hz monitor and drag windows around on it, if you can't even tell the difference between it and a 60hz monitor, then you probably don't want to waste money on a 144hz monitor.

>>59439511
>1440p
>Ultra
>Above 60fps
>plus high-Hz 1440p monitor possibly with gsync
That's just expensive, no way around that
Change your fps goal from 144 solid to 60-144 depending on game (and the fact that it's a huge varying range doesn't matter with gsync), and that's possible with a 1070 and a 6600k
A *single* 1080ti will get you MUCH closer to 144fps in games though, but even that can't drive many new released games, at 1440p, at high Hz

>>59439543
1070 has been holding up 1440p 60hz maxed pretty damn well for the year it's been out
If I have to move down to "high" settings to get 60fps at 1440p in a game two years from now, well at least I saved $200 ($150 now) not getting a 1080

MSI, Gigabyte, Asrock or Asus for a B250?

MSI and Gigabyte B250 are quite cheaper but that's also why I find it suspicious.

>>59440186
Don't buy anus

Is getting the R5 1500 worth it for the better cooler and higher clock speeds? Or should I just get a 1400?

>>59440186
Gigabyte or MSI.

>>59440217
>>59440282
Alright, well that's convenient.

Is it me or nowadays VGA doesn't seem to be a common port for mobos? I've seen many without it. What do people use nowadays? I still have my 4 or so years old Asus 1080p VGA screen and since I won't order a GPU I'm being careful of picking a mobo that has one.

>>59440353
some people use dvi, most hdmi, and the rest uses displayport

and ryzen doesn't have igpu, so don't even think too much about it, unless you're waiting for the apus

>>59440395
Nah I'm going Pentium's Intel HD Graphics 630 for now.

I don't feel like buying something expensive whether it's Ryzen or Intel. Maybe for Coffee Lake or Ryzen 2.

>>59440425
sorry, confused it with the b350 (am4 board)

my bad

How much does ram really effect modern games?

If I get another 8GB will I see increase performance?

>>59441115
I added 8GB to my 8GB and I saw increased ram usage

>>59441139
Wait, what? Your PC used more ram when you added another 8GB?

>>59437316
Well it seems like your being excessive so,why nit have the extra wattage you know? But your build should be just fine

Help me decide between the Ryzen 1700 and the Core i5 7600K. I will be gaming with major titles, and sometimes video editing (1080p video most likely). I also need to decide if I should get a GTX 1060 6GB or RX 480.

Thoughts on Logitech Z906 speakers?

>>59441168
I'm an Intel buyer yet I'd tell you to go with Ryzen 1700 here. I don't see the point of 4c/4c, to me they won't age well. It's been 3 gens in a row Intel have been using the same archetype, there aren't much difference between 2013 and 2017 cores... for sure this time was the last one, so I think it's a bit old to invest into 7th gen unless it's an i7.

Just my two cents.

>>59441168
buy the R5 1600X. Its the best price for performance CPU.Get 1060 6GB, no AMD housefire trash

Should I order GPUs directly from the makers? EVGA sells the 1080 much cheaper than what Newegg offers.

Will a i5-7600k bottleneck a nvid 1070 ftw?
Monitors only 1080 60 ghz, Not sure if I should've went with the 1060 gpu or not.

>>59441333
You'll be absolutely fine with a 7600k and a 1070, especially at 1080p. Might want to upgrade though, I hear 1440p and 4k are really gorgeous.

Let's say I get a case with 2 fans already built it. Will I be able to connect them to that mobo?

http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-B250M-DS3H-rev-10#kf / https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/product/VM2rxr/gigabyte-ga-b250m-ds3h-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-ga-b250m-ds3h

Does it have enough fan headers or whatever it's called? I'm asking because of a comment I read on pcpartpicker :
>Does everything you need a motherboard to do, however I would've preferred two system fan headers. I used a splitter, but I can see how someone might run into a bit of a hassle without any splitters or adapters to connect a second fan.

Also, it says it doesn't support crossfire - is it a big deal or not?

>>59441342
Nah 1440p makes people in Witcher look uglier
144hz is where it's at hummie

>>59441342
K thanks, I plan on it eventually.
Just in a few more months, already broke the bank.

https://us.pcpartpicker.com/product/86PzK8/gigabyte-ga-b250m-d3h-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-ga-b250m-d3h that one has crossfire, and more expensive.

Should I get it over >>59441369 ?

so, for my pc upgrade, should I go with an all amd build or dump amd and go jewtel and nvidia?

>R9 380X
>200+ FPS in League
>GTX 1060 6GB
>100+ FPS in league

wut

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>>59432481
Wanna be gamedev here.
What should I spend more on:
>GPU
>CPU
Would I be okay if I buy an i5 or a ryzen 5 4 cores?
I will use Maya, Zbrush, Photoshop, illustrator and After effects.

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Should I upgrade my 970 to a 1070 now or wait until it gets a price drop? Want to move to 1440p and new games like Nier and Ass Effect don't do well on a 970. It's currently the weakest part of my build.

>>59441521
GPU

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>>59441503
Anyone have an answer to this?

I don't get why an older card would perform better than a newer card. Unless my PC is bottlenecking it after all?

>>59441878
Bumping for help with this.

I tried Battlefield 1 with these specs on High/Ultra and I was fluctuating badly between 40-60 FPS and it was stuttering sometimes. I was on a 64 player map and I switched between High/Ultra and didn't see any real difference.

>>59434949
gaming, video rendering, photoshop, just media stuff basically, also competitive fps player

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>>59439501
I got the ASUS X370-Pro

it's been working fine so far
just very picky about RAM with the stock BIOS...
right now I'm having to run my Corsair LPX 3000 sticks at 2666

>>59441878
Why is your gpu saying 2gb and 6gb ? Da fuck

>>59442602
It must be shitty speccy, CPU-Z says the correct amount

just bought

i7 7700K
32GB DDR4 3600mhz
ASUS MAXIMUS IX HERO Z270 mobo
2x GTX 1080 ti

gonna build it on the weekend, taking apart my cpu cooler and cables is too hectic

What is the best B350 mobo on the market right now? Will most likely either be building a Ryzen 1500/1400 build.

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>>59442655
>tfw all my parts get delivered tomorrow
Can't wait, to build too! I've had this current pc since 2011. Really hard to play anything worthwhile anymore.
i5-760 w/ a Radeon HD 5700..only thing I ever added to it was just more ram

>>59442841
>boohoo my computer sucks

I'm on a Athlon 64 x2 with a HD Raedon 4850 and 2 gbs of DDR2. Kill yourself.

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>>59442898
Ok? Good for you anon, it's fine being content with playing Solitaire & CS..
No need to have a hissy fit

With the wonderful bump in my bank account that is my tax return, I was thinking of finally building a decent gaming pc.

Purpose: Gaming and stupid shit (4Chan)
Budget: 1,000$+peripherals, but could be pushed up to 1250$+peripherals if there's enough of a boost in performance
Country: Great old America.

I'll poke around through the part picker link in the meantime. Cheers.

>>59442461
Bumping for an answer to this

>Note: Win7 and 8.1 cannot be installed on a 200 series chipset


Is this referring to B250 mobos?

Looking for monitor recommendation please.

Around 27'' (not smaller, not significantly bigger)
IPS, or anything that isn't TN
144hz w/ G-Sync
WQHD or WQXGA

Preferably no lottery games, as returns are a pain in the ass here.

Day 15, still no board for my 1700X

Need help, it's my first build.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/h7dtRG

Am I missing anything? I already got most of the parts in the mail, I'm just waiting on my fans, power supply, and my RAM.

>>59443000
Make a build in pcpartpicker,com and come back to us, then we'll tell you why you're a retard.

>>59442933
??

I play Bioshock, Dragon Age origins, and Dragons Dogma on mid to high setting just fine.!

how bad of an idea would it be to crossfire two sapphire fury nitros, possibly unlocked to fury x(ish level iunno how that shit works). alternatively my friend is planning to sell his msi gaming x 1080, how many euroshekels should i offer him for it?

I decide to have an Intel -Lake build tomorrow. Should I buy 6700k or 7700k if I overclock the CPU to ∼4.8GHz?
And should I buy ROG Strix Z270F, TUF Z270 Mark 2 or Prime Z270A?

just got a asus dual 1070. first time launching with it in my pc the fans go to 100% ( i assume) loud as fuck and no way its meant to be like that. stays at same high rpm and all monitor programs say its going at 0rpm and 30C degrees. got latest drivers. am i retarded and meant to do something? whats going on here

Whats the most powerful xpu per core available to a consumer?

Is 144hz really good or just a meme for someone who spent his life console gaming?

>>59443517
Why would you buy an old cpu when a newer and better cpu is available at the same price?

>>59443892
>is 144hz really good
Yes.
Probably not worth the extra money you'll need to hit those frames though, 60 will do you fine until you become autistic enough to make the difference worth it.

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>>59441412
respond

>>59443892
If you can consistently hit them, yes. It's a huge difference.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/njVZvV

Looking to spend under $2k. I just want to play games at silky smooth 60FPS 1920x1080 consistently. One goal is ArmA 3.

>>59443911
>>59444377
Generally speaking, what does it take to hit 144hz on 1080p ultra

>>59444419
It depends on the game
I have 144Hz 1080p and I can run many games with just an RX 480. If you want to future proof, and even run the most demanding games that high, you should get something better than that.

>>59444398
I'd get the i7 7700k and gtx 1070 and add another 8 stick of ram if I were you.

>>59444431
B-BUT RYZEN!

Also I don't use Nvidia. I'd rather buy a cheap 480 and wait till VEGA.

>>59444426
Would an 1070 suffice?

>>59444431
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DTkRyf

So something like this? Also why would I need anything more than 16GB RAM?

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Finished building the 460x case. The only problem is due to the design of the 3 back ssds, the power cable for them acts as a spring (I have 5 ssds), as well as the 24 pin. So I can't get the right side door on.

>>59444461
Oops I didn't notice the 2 sticks.
Would you be able to get an 1070?

>>59444481
I could, but again, I'm not gonna bother getting Nvidia. I don't use them.

Also I've heard that Kaby Lake doesn't work on Win7, is that true? Because I'm not touching Win10, and I'm not a programmer, so Linux is out of the question.

>>59444492
What do you have against nVidia?
MS turned Kaby lake and Ryzen updates for 7 and 8.1

>>59444505
>turned
So you mean MS released updates for Win7 to work with Kaby Lake or?

And always been a Radeon guy, nothing against Nvidia.

>>59444452
Probably, yes
Might want to look at benchmarks of the games you want to play and see if they hit 144 there.

>>59444518
Turned off*
Yet Nvidia gpus blow the shit out of the Radeons

>>59444537
Okay. Thanks

>>59444572
So I'm pretty much forced to take up Win10 huh. Guess I gotta be a cuck and join the latest botnet.

>Yet Nvidia gpus blow the shit out of the Radeons
Well gee, let's wonder why. Maybe it's because Radeon hasn't released anything to compete with Nvidia's top end yet?

Which is what VEGA is going to be doing. The rebrand 500 series just a tie over really. But VEGA is going to compete with the 1080 Ti and is likely going to be at least $50-100 cheaper.

>>59444590
What do you have against Win 10? Directx 12 and all.

http://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-turns-off-windows-781-updates-for-ryzen-and-kaby-lake/

>VEGA
So why not save money and wait till Vega then?

>>59444590
use Win 10 LTSB famalam

>>59444612
Because VEGA is still some time away, and the first off the line cards are likely going to have problems that will need to be fixed within a month or two of being released.

So if I wait a month or two after VEGA releases, I will guaranteed get the mostly fixed models, and will have a few brands to choose from.

But while I wait, I can play video games.

>>59444621
LTSB?

>>59444635
Linux isn't that hard but compatibility is ass

>>59444635

from wikipedia
>Windows 10 Enterprise Long Term Servicing Branch (LTSB) is similar to Windows 10 Enterprise but does not include Cortana, Windows Store, the Edge browser, Photo Viewer and the UWP version of Calculator (replaced by classic version), and will not receive any feature updates, gives companies more control over the update process. Windows 10 Enterprise N LTSB also lacks the same components absent in other N variants (see below), and it is the most stripped down edition of Windows 10 available.[4][6]

so basically win 10 enterprise without edge browser, cortana and without advertising on your explorer

>>59444667
>no updates

>>59444667
Awesome, thank you.

Also: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QwB79W
Updated to what I feel is the finalized version.

Caviar Blue for storing games. BLACK for everything else. SSD for OS and a few select programs that I constantly run.

>Steam, AV/AM, etc

RX 480 + i7-7700k for futureproofing for awhile. Rather the 480 to hold me over until VEGA.

MOBO with what I need for now, can upgrade to a nicer one if needed. 16 GB ram for now, will upgrade to 32 for shits and giggles later.

Anyone know a better CPU cooler or will the evo 212 with the arctic paste do my i7-7700k well?

Any chances of 580 being much better than 480 ? What AMD can do to improve it ?

>>59444694
>arctic paste
I think Grizzly paste is better. Look into it.

>>59437316
>>59437295
The seasonic primes are pretty much the best PSUs you can buy, assuming money is not an issue.

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this started out as a very basic mini-itx build specifically for emulators and media playing in the living room (up to 4k videos preferably)
specs crept up a bit cause I wanted it to look nice and be as zippy as possible, and also able to handle some pc gaming.

I've been out of the loop when it comes to building PCs for many years now so any suggestions are welcome

>>59444871

AUS$ prices by the way

>>59444871
Looks fine honestly.

Just hope you know you could get the same or even better for less money without going mini-itx, but surely you know that.

Hi guys, first time builder looking for any tips on this build and any suggestions for a case, I was planning on getting the inwin 509 but have realised I dont have enough space for it.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/QmnMr7

>>59443366
>10 year old games
kek

i7-7000 non-k for 300€, worth it?

K are 360-390 usually here.

I want to upgrade from a 8350 to 1700 ryzen

Is there anyway I can do this without having to reinstall Windows and all my drivers when I have to throw in a new motherboard

>>59441151
It is 1998 any more fampi. The more of your shit that your system can load into ram, the more it will, makes everything faster. Moderm Operating systems are magical.

this is why i recommend a min of 8gb of even shitty facebook machines, and 16 min for gaming machines.

32 feels like it would be over kill but if your OS is installed onto a hard drive (If you're an idiot) 32gb will net you an increase in over all performance. My OS is installed onto an nvme drive so for the breif time i had 32gb i didnt see much improvement.

>>59446043
You can, but you take a performance hit.

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I really want to get a Ryzen 1700 but I might be blinded by muh EIGHT-COARSE hype. Am I about to make a bad decision?

>>59445421
s340

>>59446101
If you plan on using it to game, yes its a bad idea

How big is the difference between different aftermarket GPUs? Worth getting a Palit 1080 Dual OC over a Zotac 1070 AMP if the 1080 costs 80 euro more?

>>59446129
Why?

>>59446061
What would be the best way go about this?

Should i download a new version of Windows 8.1 (What i currently have) and then use my old product key that i originally used when i installed it the first time?

Doing this would pretty much wipe my PC of all things wouldn't it?

>>59446162
most games are optimized for 4core. obviously the frame rates wont take that much of a hit but if all your going to do is gaming why spend the money on something less superior?

7700k is 299 at microcenter rn.

>>59446135
the difference between the 1080 and the 1070 is enough that if its only 80 euro difference, get the 1080.

nvidia really fucked the donky with the price drop on the 1080 and not also adding a 1070 price drop to it. fucking retailers still tryina sell 1070s for 420 bucks while the 1080 is 500? Dumb asses.

>>59446189
The 7700k is $386 where I live. For $300 this would be a no brainer.

Do you think games are going to utilize more than 4 cores effectively in the future?

>>59446204
probably not? We've had 8 core cpus for awhile.

hard to tell. At any rate, if you wanna push them frames as much as possible for the next at least two years, get a 4c.

dx12 and vulcan take even more of the workload off cpu so it seems really unlikely.

>>59446204
>>59446312
>probably not? We've had 8 core cpus for awhile.
G3258 was pretty much hailed as the best budget CPU ever when it came out. 3 years later, most new AAA games won't even run unless you have at least dual-core with SMT. And while we've had 8-core CPUs for a while, but they haven't exactly been at a spot where they would've been targeted by game devs, except AMD's FX CPUs(and even those only had 8 threads as opposed to 16). So the trend definitely is towards games becoming better threaded.

So... is /g/ saying ryzen is bad a meme or is it actually good?
I want a PC which lasts long.

>>59446415
>So... is /g/ saying ryzen is bad a meme or is it actually good?
/g/ is definitely saying both. Personally I'd say that if you're concerned about futureproofing, getting 7700k over r7 1700(or 7600k over an r5) doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

>>59446189
even for low end 1080s? this one only has 1620/1759 clocks and no backplate

Going to college next year. PC or laptop?Is it really hard to transport a PC?

>>59447073
Itx

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I was asking about 1440/144 yesterday but decided to save some money and go for 1080/144. Not planning on overclocking, main idea is to play witcher 3 on ultra/very high settings and some fps (overwatch, titanfall 2)
I might go back to roguelikes but want certain futureproofing.

Still need to add a GPU (RX 480? 1070? 1080 ti?) and maybe change the PSU, but I don't want to go cheap on those.

Usa, was thinking about $2000 as budget.
Any recommendation on what to replace?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/44GwKZ

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>cooler didn't come with thermal paste already pre-installed..
What's are the chances of fucking it up? I'm scared

>>59447397
Without screen?

>>59447726
What CPU? I'm gonna order one with a cooler soon and your post isn't really reassuring to read. Might buy some thermal paste just in case...

I slapped one of my RAM sticks from my main build into a bench build and according to tests I ran on both, my RAM has been running at 1156MHz instead of 1333MHz. For the past two years.

Fuck. I'm an idiot.

>>59444477
Do you have a free 5.25" drive bay?
Buy something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Athena-Power-Drive-Adapter-BRK-HD524F/dp/B00BIY0FU2

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