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>all websites should look like this
Discuss.
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I'd be happy if we could return to the time where web sites were web sites and not power point slides.
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actually it would be kind of nice if the content was presented in some sort of standardized format, and you could either use your browser's presets or your own custom rules to choose how the data was displayed. maybe every websight could be JSON? just an idea
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>>59353589
they would if retarded women didnt have to shit up the computing world with their fancy flat-design UIs. FUCK i hate women
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Agreed.
>tfw your pc and internet 100 times faster than 15 years ago but every site now loads for an hour
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>>59353696
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth's_law
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>>59353589
Yes, so I can actually use my lynx web browser for efficient navigation without having to deal with any of you Gen Y graphic design majors and your spastic fucking jQuery blobs.
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I'm starting to think /g/ is just the "born in le wrong generation" types of the tech world.
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>>59353674
This. The government should have an agency to regulate this standard, and people who refused to comply should be imprisoned.
God bless America.
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fuck css
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>>59353696
JRPG level scaling
>get to an area
>enemies are difficult
>grind
>get stronger
>can one-shot all enemies
>move on to new area
>enemies are difficult again
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>>59353674
>would be kind of nice if the content was presented in some sort of standardized format
We already have standards, Anon. No one follows them (or rather, very few organizations follow them).
>you could either use your browser's presets or your own custom rules to choose how the data was displayed.
We already have the ability to do that. The problem is it requires a lot of work because no one follows any standards. I use Scriptish, and if I wanted to I could make my own css/addons for the sites I use. But that would be a hassle.
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>>59353726
This has nothing to do with "le wrong generation" since every single "improvement" to the internet has made problems that used to never exist. It's common now for sites to not load and just be a white screen (though it has "loaded") because one JS didn't come down right.
Loading a web page never used to be a problem.
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>>59353764
well of course, i use stylish to make website i use a lot look the way i want them to. the point is that if all content was delivered in an interchange format, you could write ONE style and have everything obey it
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>>59353796
it certainly did when they were using flash instead. there was a time when it was not uncommon for a website to contain nothing but an embedded flash player, so nothing obeyed your system's ui standards and it was incredibly slow to load
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>>59353764
Standards should have been enforced harder from the start.
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>>59353674
The best thing about standards is there are so many to choose from...
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>Putting your website's '""""""""""source code"""""""""""""" on github
when will this meme end?
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>>59353865
>it certainly did when they were using flash instead.
I know. And I thought that we learned our lesson from that. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.
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>>59353589
Almost, though <body> should have a centered viewport of a sane width by default and lists and hyperlinks should look ok by default.
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Do you guys miss Flash?
http://www.zombo.com/
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>>59353939
><body> should have a centered viewport of a sane width
80 characters.
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gopher is what you a looking for.
http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/
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4chan is probably the most basic looking popular website there is, besides wikipedia
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>>59353984
Anyone have that image that showed that the JS on wikipedia is twice as large as the content?
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>>59353589
this is a website
http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/
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>>59354354
>Uses google analytics JavaScript
Trash
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>>59353726
It absolutely is. A huge part of the user base here wants the wild west of the 90s back even though the internet is objectively better now.
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>>59354423
>the internet is objectively better now
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>>59354423
JavaShit web artisan detected
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>on a website with "infinite scrolling"
>scroll down by a fair amount
>websites becomes laggy and sluggish because of all the shit that's loaded
>end up having to reload
>back at the beginning having no idea how far down I ended
>no way to get back down there without scrolling for 5 minutes straight and loading all that shit again
this triggers me so much
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>>59354552
You're not meant to actually care what you're seeing when it comes to the modern web, anon.
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>>59353674
>some sort of standardized format
Like HTML?
>you could either use your browser's presets or your own custom rules to choose how the data was displayed
Like CSS?
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>>59354354
>that font rendering
>Linux is ready for the desktop
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>>59353957
yeah, something like that
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>>59354896
But why do I have to allow scripts to be able to read text on a site?
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>>59354544
I don't write any code mate, I have no interest in that shit.
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>>59354932
lol how else will you be able to read a simple pure html file
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>>59353589
You want craigslist?
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Firecucks has a reader mode which strips out all the bullshit and gives sites a uniform style, makes Wikipedia actually readable.
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>>59356510
>removing features is now a feature
How did we let it get so bad?
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>>59356623
It became this bad when we forced women into STEM, which they haven't even interested in the first place, under the promise to make them equal to men, which was fucking true when they were working on things they were truly good at. Now we have blue haired landwhales that got the idea that they are somehow inferior to men if they don't smear shit all over the code. This is why you fucking shouldn't fix things if they ain't broken.
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>>59356623
>i am webdev hear me roar
>he is a crosshosted jquery applet for menu animations that weighs 4mb
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>>59356623
This reminds me a successful company
Kek
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>>59353674
yeah. The biggest problem caused by HTML is that data and presentation were conflated.
That boat sailed 25 years ago though.
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>>59353589
Every site I've built was done with orgmode exporting to html. Works perfect on mobile and desktop browser, was dead simple to make, no reader mode needed, ect.
90% of sites could easily be static like this with some css finesse like a restaurant site, hotel booking site ect instead of piles of fucking JQuery abortion
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>>59353674
You're literally talking about Gopher
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Developers need to stop relying on js and jquery for everything they want to achieve on a website. They use that shit for basic things that css could achieve.
Should really be left to dress up a website a bit on top of a solid presentable website not to be the backbone.
I like the look of some "modern" website but usually the viewing performance is just shit as a result of all the junk they put in.
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I know almost nothing about web development.
I think there are a lot of Javascript "libraries" out there that anyone can use for their own websites. How many websites today consist of a bunch of these random libraries slammed together? What happens to a website once someone decides to stop maintaining one of these libraries that's used in a bunch of websites?
Also
http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/
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>>59357091
they also need to stop doing this shit
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>>59354423
EFF would like to have a word with you, you koolaid-drinking millenial piece of shit. I guess having your data stolen, ransomed, and used against you is an acceptable price to pay for the insipid snapchats you send to strangers.
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>>59357189
They just keep making new libraries, JQuery, Vue.js, React.js ect.
Now we have webassembly which means you can make these sites in C/C++ and a binary is pushed through your browser and run client side in the java virtual machine.
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>>59353589
>First letters of sentences not capitalized
No, thanks.
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>>59356510
>makes Wikipedia actually readable.
In what world is Wikipedia not readable? Wew.
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>>59357211
>Now we have webassembly which means you can make these sites in C/C++ and a binary is pushed through your browser and run client side in the java virtual machine.
Isn't that what Java applets were supposed to accomplish?
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>>59357228
Font is tiny with long lines and the brightness rapes my eyes. Here's a comparison.
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>>59357418
Font size is not an excuse bruh, you can raise their size.
>>59356623
I want to read, not look at fancy blinking buttons on my screen, kill yourself.
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>>59357199
This and floating social media links
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>>59357521
Looks pretty crappy pham.
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>>59354354
>motherfuckingwebsite
http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/
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>>59357240
but anon JAVA IS UNSAFE, CHROME SEZ SO
:<
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There's nothing wrong with having a few lines of CSS you fucking autists.
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>>59354423
I certainly do.
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>>59357240
Yeah, hopefully webassembly is competently implemented this time
At least it won't require an oracle plugin
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>>59353589
Just so you know- if someone is using Tor, and they aren't an Iranian political dissident, I immediately assume that they are either accessing illegal pornography or buying drugs. I dislike surveillance and censorship but there is very little legitimate use for Tor in the first world.
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>>59353674
I'm making a tool like that.
It's basically a browser with specific code to handle spscific web sites. It scrapes their HTML, gets the data and presents it to me in a file system-like interface. Uses JSON API endpoints too if available.
Most recently, I integrated 4chan's JSON API. I now get this hierarchy:4chan/
board/
thread/
post/
image
text
etc.
I can choose to view information at any level of detail. For example, my interface allows to get all threads from all boards or from just one specific board or from a specific set of boards. It allows to view unstructured posts with similar constraints.
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>>59353691
>>59356778
>>>/r9k/
>>59353875
>xe doesn't use AOT-compiled HTML
>>59354423
>the internet is objectively better now
>the internet is objectively better now
>the internet is objectively better now
Lolno. There isn't even any original content on the internet anymore, now it's just procedurally generated clickspam as far as the eye can see. And it's nearly as slow as the dial-up days, because of all the needless bloat they put everywhere.
>>59357418
Maybe you shouldn't use a ``gaming monitor", then.
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>>59354423
>the internet is objectively better now
Others have already picked on you for this, but I'm going to greentext it again to hammer home what a stupid thing it was that you wrote.
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I would love it if every website was like the GNU documentation and every web app had minimalist text only design
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>>59353605
Or we could develop a browser that strip down modern websites to the bare minimum. Something like w3m or elinks does.
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>>59353691
Flat design is actually a good thing, way better than that old trend, skeumorphism. I don't know why you blame woman for that. That makes absolutelly no sense.
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>>59360072
flat design is disgusting
>>59360041
thus ending up with broken websites, there needs be a standard
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>>59353734
Ok, a little css isn't a bad thing. The human brain evolved to distinguish things by color and contrast. a little css can make a webpage easy to navigate through. Don't be soo extremist.
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>>59353731
This but unironically
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>>59354552
I didn't notice that before, but this sucks...
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>>59354921
Why not 64 or 128 characters?
A power of 2 should be the standard.
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>>59353880
>It was wrong then
It depended on what you wanted. If you wanted a simple way to make something consistent between computers, it was fine. If you wanted something lightweight and good for search engines, it wasn't.
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>>59354544
A little bit of client-side logic doesn't hurt nobody. C programmer here.
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>>59360209
Power of 2 for a UX decision? C'mon man.
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>>59357521
Buy a book
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>>59356623
Blame those front-end engineers with their colorful t-shirts and laptops covered with stickers.
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>>59353589
http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com
This is the pinnacle of the web.
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>>59357091
I think the problem is this libraries being soo monolotic.
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>>59357189
If the library is small enough, you can maintain it yourself. The problem is that they're huge.
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The problem with modern web development isn't styling, it's javascript. I know CSS doesn't display the same across every browser, but there are only about 5 different browsers that are commonly used and there aren't a huge number of issues if you haven't overdesigned your page.
Javascript is not needed in at least 90% of the cases that it's used in.
If you're making an interactive message board like 4chan, the settings menu and the update button are nice features.
If you're making a web interface for something like an email client, the only thing you need javascript for is an auto-refresh feature. When you go to outlook or gmail, you download an enormous amount of JS which does almost nothing to improve your experience an hurts your experience in a lot of cases.
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>>59357418
Just use Wikipedia in mobile mode by going to the bottom of an article and clicking mobile or adding an "m" to the URL like this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/article_title
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>>59357521
There's a lot of papers and researches that says, shorter lines are easier and more confortable to read than longer ones. And too much contrast and light harms your eyes.
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>>59360085
>lat design is disgusting
This is a matter of taste. I like minimalism.
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>>59360085
>thus ending up with broken websites
I believe that the servers should only deliever API's. The front-end should be replaceable.
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>>59353589
Agree.
I know a guy who makes $144 a day by writing JS for a website. JS is a language taught to 7 y/o's during the mandatory "hour of code" initiative. Modern "web devs" are con artists who are too lazy to learn how to properly code.
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>>59360246
>Power of 2 for a UX decision? C'mon man.
Why not? So you're one of those golden-ratio-lovers?
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a website should be like a virtual reality where you design an open world map. you place houses and they're like webpages with different content. it could be a consultant that tells you about services and products offered, shows you some of them in a simulation, and another can be a snapshot of the creators backstory seeing them build the business up with their own virtues, and it's all interactive. that's what i want the internet to be honestly. it would be so awesome.
what kills me inside is that you would all still argue about it using javascript or not, completely ignorant of the stride.
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Alright but what about:
http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/
http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/
https://thebestmotherfucking.website/
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Can we go back to good old javascript? Fuck jquery
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>>59360072
Flat design are painfully overused and cliché, but they're good if done right and aren't just Bootstrap/Wordpress templates gussied up. Blame idiots tying absolutely everything to JavaScript with poor programming practices (Such as not waiting for the DOM to load before executing the script or tying absolutely everything to AJAX.) and overextending everything to the client-side.
>>59360324
A lot of that has to do with browser back-compat, (ie: Grandma/Governments/Businesses who won't leave IE) which is a bitch depending on how far back you have to support it. Firefox and Chrome are border-line the same when it comes to compatible features, but everything else is a crapshoot on what you can and can't do with it.
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>>59360426
IMO, a website should look more like a book. Pure and simple.
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>>59360483
>Flat design are painfully overused and cliché
And so are user interfaces on Android and iPhone, and I don't see people complaining. If each website make their UI different, it's a new learning curve for the user, each time he/she browse that site for the 1st time, specially if he/she is old an doesn't have much familiarity with the internet. If we make every UI the same, the user doesn't need to learn everything from scratch and if you use a template, you saves time and money. And navigate through a website is a common thing that DOESN'T NEED to be different on every single website!
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>>59360483
>A lot of that has to do with browser back-compat
a lot of what has to do with compatibility? An enormous amount of javascript or the hatred of CSS?
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>>59360621
Both. Good luck doing something like async functions right now outside of Chrome, FF, and Opera.
>>59360579
A lot of the complaints come from bitter designers and /g/, and while I can understand the necessity for a common language when it comes to website design, a lot of it comes off as creatively bankrupt at the lower levels with no attempts at really trying something new. There's a difference between making things similar for new users and not even bothering to try.
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http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/
http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/
http://thebestmotherfucking.website/
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>>59361101
>http://thebestmotherfucking.website/
this is so fucking sad.
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>>59353726
I'm jealous of the kids born today who can grow up going on ADHD Wikipedia / Google / ELI5 binges from the time they can read. It would have answered so many questions I had as a kid, and then I would have had a head start on other areas of knowledge.
The younger you are, the easier it is to pick up advanced concepts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_period
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity
The dumb people are getting dumber, but the smart people of the future will be super smart. The bell curve is widening.
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>>59354896
>Like HTML?
HTML isn't a standarized format for presenting content.
It is a standarized language for presenting content.
CSS certainly is one of those things, but it is far too cumbersome to alter the entire sites CSS and add new rules to change the layout of a site. Especially when you have Javascript involved, adding new elements at times, and elements that are difficult to target with custom CSS rules, no set position in the DOM due to Javascript loading and no or random id/name.
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>try to load site in firefox
>doesn't load
>unblock some scripts
>still doesn't load
>open in it lynx
>loads fine
>but there's about 300 lines of menu hanging there like a prolapsed anus
But at least I could read the HTML news article, I guess?
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>>59353589
I agree except the white background should be changed to #F0F0F0 so you dont kill your eyes.
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>>59357418
>and the brightness rapes my eyes.
Adjust your monitors brightness and light your room, you brainlet.
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>>59354354
>whole site is 1 line if you use a screen bigger than 1366x768
no thanks
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>>59364707
>you have to have a window full screen
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>>59358216
cuck
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if your website doesn't have a dark background you should kill yourself.
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>>59360377
Flat sites are anything but minimal nowadays. Sure they may look somewhat minimal but they are so bloated with js frameworks and crap that it would be faster to find what are looking for in a book in some cases.
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>>59360289
>google-analytics.com
killyourself
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OP I think you're throwing the entire maternity ward out with the bathwater here.
Install W3M if you love your precious static text so much and see how long it takes you to realize that you're a complete hipster.
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>>59357707
>>>59354354
>motherfuckingwebsite
>http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/
https://bestmotherfucking.website/
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>>59353731
>wanting government to control the internet.
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>>59367181
>wanting corporations to control the internet
The central problem is not government but that the government has stopped being the servant of the people and is instead the ruler of the people.
Not helped by the corporations now running the government too.
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>>59357212
this
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>>59353972
I do love Gopher for having enforced methods of rendering and structure.
But if it had beaten HTTP all that would happen is that it would be the mess that the web has ended up being.
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How do I actually learn web design? Learning HTML/CSS/JS isn't a problem but I'm having a hard time finding resources for learning the actual design. Shit like colors to use, where to put shit and what fucking size should it be?
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>>59367303
if you give the government too much power, powerful people will lobby and buy that power. corporations are not the problem, statism is. they're just using the systems they have at hand, everyone else is doing it and a company will lag behind if they choose not to do it.
Kinda like an WMD, it's for the best if no one has it even if you have it and consider yourself a "good guy" cuz it will eventually fall into the wrong hands.
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>>59367986
I can't believe you had to explain that on /g/ of all places
especially after the CIA debacle
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>>59367857
>Shit like colors to use, where to put shit and what fucking size should it be?
Hire women to tell you that.
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>>59353796
>Loading a web page never used to be a problem.
This Flash site better be worth it! I've been waiting 15 minutes for it to be loaded with GPRS!
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>>59353589
I love plain html websites but you have to know that most websites want to stand out, so here comes the CSS
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Still too much.
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>>59367857
1. Browse the web.
2. Screencap shit you like.
3. Rip it the fuck off.
4. Repeat 1-3 until you create something original enough.
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>>59367857
for the colors is use http://paletton.com/, pretty straightforward and usefull
for the rest, just try different things
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>>59360223
we already had a little bit of client-side logic 10 years ago before smartphones. they've gone full retard in recent years to the point that browsing the web without an adblocker is impossible and browsing the web with a Core 2 Duo machine is impossible due to horrifying amounts of JavaScript bloat.
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>>59368363
I have a T60 and browsing is fine as long as you're blocking pretty much every script.
The really shocking part is how little I notice that I am even missing. Just makes me ask why they even do it in the first place.
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>>59360354
fucking hell mobile wikipedia I fucking hate that shit. Removing features from mobile is so disgusting. Also at least on my firefox I cannot access wikipedia desktop version even by requesting it or changing url. Fucking reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
If you are not making a responsive site only make a desktop one, I dont mind side scrolling on my mobile to read as long as I have same features as desktop.
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>>59357199
whats that?
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