/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

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>>59261868
Do any Thinkpads support Ryzen?

No? Into the trash it goes.

What are the trackpads like on them? Tap to click? 2 finger scroll? If so I'm really intrigued.

>only recommended thinkpads are ones from 2005
>resolution less than 720p
>+10 year old hardware
Why hasn't there been a good Thinkpad since 2005?

>>59261868
>no forward and back buttons,instead space waste in arrow keys

>>59261922
because lenovo made thinkpads shit.Intel has done nothing new with the mobile cpu for laptops.They are just sandy-bridges with better auto throttles to save battery life,and better integrated graphics

>>59261868
>no copypasta
Previous thread: >>59242547

IRC: #/tpg/ on irc.rizon.net

Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
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If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™

Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", ultraportable
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap.
>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet.
>Great durability: chassis uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels.
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing in the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad buyers guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg

xsauc buyers guide:
http://www.dankpads.com

EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
http://pastebin.com/JVwVGVTW

Helpful links and resources (Wiki, lookup tools and wallpapers):
http://pastebin.com/DYjEnVq1

>>59261890
But it fully support meme magic and chinese two dimnsional girls

>>59261868
does anyone use the mouse nipple? if so, for what purpose?

>>59262577
Yes, I use it for gaymen

>>59262577
because touchpads are shit and the trackpoint is better

>>59262480
>So I am thinking about buying a used T530 that costs $260, is this a good deal for it?

almost, what specs?

>>59262577
you can type and move the cursor without taking your hands off the keyboard

>>59262645
interesting, of everything, this makes the most sense to me

>>59261868
My X1 Carbon hinges snapped in half within 2 years. Never dropped, never abused. Will never buy from Jewnovo ever again. Absolutely trash (sans the keyboard). Ordered a new 15.4" MBP last night; gonna be gud.

I am thinking about buying a used T530 with an Intel i7-3520M for $260 is this a good deal?

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who /comfy/ here?

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Just purchased a X120e. How badly did I fuck up?

>Looking for ultralight, ultraportable
>Already have T430, sick of hauling it's bulky ass to my work every day just to read bullshit on the internet
>Can't justify having both a T430 and a X220
>Probably going to install minimal Linux like Puppy

>>59262747

Yes.

Post pics.

>>59262815
Get a 15.4" MBP. Don't be poor.

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>>59262881

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>>59261922
CHINA

Can anyone vouch for the Latitude 14?

>>59262778
Not your eyes from squinting.

>>59262942
>>59262925
>>59262915

tight.

>>59262961
>not knowing how to greentext
Newfag

>>59262961
>autist detected

>>59262915
>>59262925
>>59262942

>Windows 10

why

win10 is for gaymers only, and a thinkpad won't run any games

install linux, macOS or windows 7/8.1 you silly

>>59262778
is it as hot as people claim?

>>59262815
it's the perfect machine for portability.

I used to have a x100e, that's pretty much the same but with a shitty 1 core cpu. Yours is better.

>>59263090

Hot as in sexy

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Just won this in an auction, should I sell it for higher and get a x230 with 4gb ram and and i5 or keep it

>>59262007
>Intel has done nothing new with mobile cpu for 12 years
What the fuck?

Even for sandy Bridge, a modern 15w laptop processor will perform better than a 35w Sandy Bridge so shut the fuck up.

>>59263114
Good to know. I didn't know if I could justify the extra money for a X120e when an X100e looked mostly the same. The X120e seemed nicer overall.

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Should I or nah?

>>59263357
it's a good laptop, a bit too heavy for my taste

if 290 kangaroo moneys is a good deal go for it

My friend works at Lenovo and he said the retro thinkpad is cancelled

tough luck faggots

>>59263420
Personally wanted a 2570p but the touchpad is just too small imo.

>>59263357

If that's an ssd then yes
if not then nah, too many dollary doos

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>>59263519
How about this? I do think the smaller size has much more appeal to me.

Is the touchpad really so small though?

>>59263074
oh of course i'm installing linux, that's just what it came with

>>59263571

you really want a used expensive HP?

>>59261868
x270 just came out, what do you guys think?

I hope the x250s start dropping in price so i can get a FHD one to replace my X220. Maybe I'll do a keyboard swap if I need to

>>59263090
Only if you don't replace thermal paste. That's usually the first thing to to when getting a used Thinkpad

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>>59261868

Should receive muh x250 today.
It has an M2 slot that I'd like to fit an SSD into - possibly.
Can someone give me the full gestalt on TP whitelisting in BIOS?
Does it just apply to wireless WAN devices because muh FCC or do they whitelist SSD devices too?
Also /csg whats the best SSD I can slot into that M2 - anyone done this?

Thanks you supreme /g/entlemen.

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>>59263780
Yes.
It's not much more than a thinkpad but I like the designs from HP a lot more.

Like pic related for example. That keyboard looks so comfy and snug.

>>59263571
>fauxpoint has been removed
>no trackpoint middle button for /comfy/ scrolling and easy open in new tab-ing in linux
>HP
N

Just a reminder

You guys are too poor to afford good computers so you clutch to the relics of a bygone era.

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>>59263453
well, yeah, because others were already doing a better job than they were going to bother with.

>>59263827

for me the only one that looks comfy right now is the 2170p which is a powerhouse for a 11.6 incher, cant seem to find anything else quite like it.

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>>59263980
Oh my God it looks so cute!

I want one. I'm going to buy one.
Going to try to find a better deal though.

>>59263252

You didn't even use it yet.

What's the best 8gb x2 ram for a x220?

Is there a trackpadless palmrest for the x61t?

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>>59264451
yes

>>59264477
Sweet, thanks

>>59262815
i had it for a few years for university, its okay
and really portable with great battery life

end it up selling it to a guy and upgrading to a x230

>>59263252
you probably will pay up for the x230 even if you sell it for higher, so why the trouble just stick with it its nearly the same for less

>>59261868
Going to college this year, my brother has an old ipad so I'll take that for writing notes.
My plan is to buy a rasp pi for kodi and programming.
Do I need a thinkpad? If so, which one? Yes I read the buyers guide but it does not apply as I'm in India.

>>59264693
>Do I need a thinkpad? If so, which one? Yes I read the buyers guide but it does not apply as I'm in India

you should get a Dell Latitude, for obvious reasons.

>>59263273

Intel shills everyone

I'm thinking of getting one but a lot of the options are refurbished. Should I stay away and try to get a good quality used one or do you guys think if it was professionally refurbished it'll be okay?

why do you faggots always use machines made pre 2015? they're old, big and slow

>>59263273
no
plain and simple, no

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Love meme shit, really enriches my life.

>>59265158
>old
true
>big
not significantly bigger than today's thinkpads, just built better and infinitely repairable
>slow
except this is wrong. intel CPUs haven't improved greatly since Core i was introduced and system requirements for web browsing and office work haven't changed since the days of Core 2 CPUs.

>>59265157
refurbished is better as long as it's done professionally.

>>59265158
why is a thick laptop bad if it's well made? footprint matters more. if you can tell the difference between a 1kg laptop an a 2kg laptop in your bag, kys
thickness also gives you more ports like full size ethernet, usb type a, vga and expresscard

>>59263782
Is keyboard swap possible on x250?

>>59265240
processing power might not have gotten that much better, but power consumption, heat and battery life has


>>59265274
yes I can feel the difference between 1 and 2kg laptops

>>59262671
yup, and to top that if you disable the trackpad and use trackpoint exclusively you don't have to worry about accidentally moving the mouse cursor with your palm when you type.

>>59265342
>power consumption, heat and battery life has
I give you that, if you want a 15W CPU, go for an ultrabook. But battery life hasn't improved in any way. Thinkpads still get around 10 hours with the maxed out battery option the same way they did in 2011. Concerning heat, you only get less heat if you opt for a really low performance CPU. Idle temps nowadays are still between 35C and 45C except maybe on CPU with passive cooling and these are on par with shit tier smartphone ARM CPUs

>>59265342
>yes I can feel the difference between 1 and 2kg laptops
Then eat something Mr skeltal

>>59265251
thanks m8. cheers.

>>59265474
you are literally retarded if you actually cant feel a difference

>>59265342
kys
seriously what kind of manlet must one be to feel the difference? or rather, what kind of manlet must one be to be bothered by it? especially if the extra weight buys you a complete array of useful connectors that no modern laptop offers and a completely modular system that can be kept alive longer than anything from its time period.

>>59262477
T430 or T420 and why?

>>59265524
I don't really need the ports senpai, I only use a bluetooth mouse, headphones and that's pretty much it, I don't need all the fancy ports that just add useless thickness and weight...

and at home I have a dock I just connect to with a single cable and get all the connectors I need, 2x displayport, 6x usb and an extra audio out port.


yeah senpai, give me a thinkpad that weighs less than 2kg and has a swappable processor so I can upgrade when a new generation arrives, oh wait, I'd need to change the mobo too, which basically means swapping the whole machine :^)

>>59265564
It's so you don't have to desolder your SSD when it runs out of read/write cycles, not so you can add an Xtreme graphics card and some LEDs.

>>59265606
hm? my SSDs are all 2.5" SATA devices, no need to solder them on

t. using a machine made in 20 fucking 16

>>59265631
2016 is old as fuck
Anything not made by Apple is also 5 years behind.

>>59265682
>apple
please stop with this meme

>>59265716
What are you implying? You know that all of their design choices show up in all other laptops eventually. Even the thinkpad succumbed. It's just a gradual process. Soldered processor, soldered RAM, soldered storage.

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What's wrong with the X1 Carbon?

How does it compare to the T430?

How does it compare to the HP Elitebook 8470p ?

>>59265727
soldered processors are understandable because laptop processor replacements/upgrades are nearly impossible because the motherboards change so fast as well and new parts aren't no longer compatible


only the most lightweight devices have soldered RAM, that isn't a widespread trend yet, neither is soldered storage, except in some 2-in-1's or ultraportables.

>>59265752
The point is
>yet
These changes that no-one likes start with the Macbook, then the Macbook Pro, then everything else.

>>59265784
well, it's not a thing yet so why care now? complain when it actually happens

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T430 vs T430s?

Again - What are the trackpads like on them? Tap to click? 2 finger scroll? If so I'm really intrigued.

>>59265841
>minor weight/size reduction in exchange for inferior battery life which limits your ability to enjoy the slimness

>>59265990
T420s vs T430?

>>59266024
The same as with the T430s, except the T420s has
>Largely inferior GPU performance
>Mildly inferior CPU performance, at least with more common CPUs
>Battery life is very slightly worse as a result
>Different Keyboard
>USB3 provided by motherboard not CPU, though I have no idea how this effects performance in reality

Oh also one other disadvantage to slim models is cooling. And to clarify, I don't hate the idea of slim models, if anything I prefer the form factor, it's just that Lenovo fucked up with not being able to pile in batteries so they won't fit a proper niche.

>>59266098
Cool. How to get around locked BIOS?

>>59265892
None of you Chinkfags actually know, do you?

Do any of you actually have Thinkpads?

>>59266184
I know something you don't know

>>59266205
Obviously

>>59264919
>you should get a Dell Latitude, for obvious reasons.
Is that with an /s/ or nay? Will buy the Dell then

The touchpad has multi-touch so all that shit will be supported, it's more about drivers. The biggest difference to the pad between any laptop is going to be what you get in the way of physical buttons. Thinkpad trackpads are as good as anything in my experience, though it's the trackpoint that's the standout input method anyway.

>>59266111
Figure out exactly what kind of password/lock it is, there's a few. Then just google it and figure out what the limitations of it are and how much of a pain in the arse it'll be to remove it. I've never had to deal with any sort of bios lock but especially if it's computrace it might be better to avoid anything with it enabled.

>>59266184
Some people in these threads are actually prospective first time buyers anon. It's not like we could just sustain these threads off of perpetually arguing and circlejerking over our favourite chinkpads, r-right?

>>59261868
>T92
is it going to happen?

>>59266184
>Do any of you actually have Thinkpads?

>he knows

>>59266287
Thanks!

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>open lid
>see this
what do?

>>59266360
Only thing you can do is swap out screen. How the fuck did that happen? And why the fuck do you use the stock wallpaper?

>>59266184
who the fuck uses the touchpad on a thinkpad when you have the superior trackpoint

>>59266403
It's a X220 what screen to get?
And I guess I must have stepped on it or something heavy squashed it while moving.
Wallpaper is default because it's a clean install I did before moving.

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>>59266184
Plenty of options in wangblows, probably a lot more on newer models. However
>using the trackpad on a ThinkPad
>ever

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>>59261868
???

>>59266184
All ThinkPad touchpads are pure and utter shit but that's OK because nobody uses them.

>>59266500
This is the design concept for a retro ThinkPad Lenovo considered producing 2 years ago. They even did surveys on what features it should have. The project has obviously been dumped though.

>>59266510
>dumped
[citation needed]

>>59266501
Yeah. Nobody. I had to use that shit for two years on a t440p.
But that's my fault, I accept it

T420 170€
i5-2520M
8 GB
1600x900
320 GB


How'd i do?

>>59266523
There is no source to this. It's only a matter of fact that there has been no new information by Lenovo concerning this project since fall 2015.

T70 when

looks like it's my only path of upgrade from the t420 if i want to avoid the chiclet menace

>>59266528

post pics.

>>59266624
>chiclet menace
90% of comments like this come from people who have never used the chiclet keyboard. All I can say is, it's great. It really is. In terms of build quality it feels almost like the old IBM keyboards. It's definitely 10 times stirdier than the old Lenovo keyboard.

>>59266648
>All I can say is, it's great. It really is.

Your wrong.

>>59266680
>t. someone who refuses to accept progress

The new keyboard is obviously better in almost every regard except one. It would be absolutely perfect if it still had dedicated volume buttons.

>>59266709

go back to your macbook, Chang.

>>59266709
>before applel made them popular chiclet keys were treated as utter shit garbage
>progress

>>59266643
Going to post when i get it. Was it a good deal? It was in pretty good shape with a little wear and tear.

>>59266731
>Was it a good deal?

almost, yes. how's the battery?

>>59266728
>>59266723
So what makes chiclet keys so bad? The mechanism under the key is exactly the same. All that has chaned is the design of the keycaps.

>>59266761
>So what makes chiclet keys so bad?

The smell.

>>59266756
2-4 hours under load. Probably tested with browsing some fuckbook or something.

>>59266798
This is the ultimate proof. Old keyboard advocates can't be taken seriously. They just want to feel important when people ask them why they use such an old laptop.

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Should I use a paint pen to draw something neat on my x200

>>59266761
Apple did it as well so you have to complain about it incessantly no matter how different Lenovo's implementation is.

The only real downside is the key layout, but if you come from a chicklet keyboard and try and a classic keyboard you'll find big shortcomings in the classic layout as well, especially if you're making effective use of the trackpoint.

If you're capable of making use of re-binding key combinations, the problems with both of them are easily circumvented since the complaints mostly concern keys that are a complete fucking pain to hit on both layouts anyway.

>>59266798
>implying the texturing on newer keyboards isn't better suited to being anti-microbial and thus better smelling and more hygienic

>>59266829
Sure, but make sure you have some sort of solvent handy to get it off when you realise that your attempt at creative self-expression is awful and just spoils the clean and solid aesthetic of your thinkpad while making you look like an autist.

>>59266829
I'd say yes if you are a raging homosexual

>>59266822
>>59266822
>This is the ultimate proof.

you're the ultimate cum slurping retard. there are 12 reasons I use a thinkpad and the keyboard just happens to be one of them. you need to go back.

>>59266893
Not >>59266822 but seriously, you should listen to yourself. That's ridiculous. The new keyboard was one of the main factors why I upgraded from X220 to X250. It's beyond great. They finally managed to get their shit together with the new models.

>>59266893
I didn't say it's wrong to use an old laptop. What I meant was, it's retarded to brag about the worst aspects of these laptops just for the sake of bragging about something. Old ThinkPads have a lot of qualities to them, and the keyboard is good but it's shit compared to newer models. If you really want a great keyboard, get an IBM ThinkPad. When Lenovo took over almost everything, including the keyboard, went to shit and they only managed to get it right when they introduced the Precision Keyboard.

Very freshly new on Linux, where/how to get drivers for my Thinkpad, more specifically touchpad/clitmouse and maybe keyboard drivers
On the Lenovo page, they only let you choose which windows you are using, I have a T550

>>59266938
>>59266958
>I didn't say it's wrong to use an old laptop.

I don't give a fuck what you said faggot fuck you and your horse shit keyboard propaganda.

>>59267122
uh oh

>>59267122
All those drivers will come working straight out of the box on Linux, the only ones you ever need to worry about fucking around with are graphics (and only with Nvidia or multi GPU setups) and wireless if it doesn't work straight up.

>59267138
Wow. The babby is getting aggressive. Everyone will listen to you now. No (You) for you.

>>59261922
the newest X1 Carbon just came out a month ago and is impeccable

the P50 and P70 are the return of the workhorse giants of an age gone by, with better quality than ever before

seriously, anybody lugging around a W500 should look into saving up for a P50. That shit is incredible

>>59267169
The problem with touchpad/clitmouse I noticed is that when using the clit, touchpad is still fully functional, therefore my palm sometimes moves the cursor to wherever the fuck, maybe I just didn't search through settings thoroughly, just thought that maybe I'm missing some drivers

>>59266814
>>59266731
>>59266528
Was it a good, very good or okay deal?

>>59265212
you would be right if it weren't for Kaby Lake

the new ULV CPUs clock much, much higher than even Skylake. The new i5 7300u reaches 3.5 GHz on turbo, same speed as the high end i5-3360m

>>59267226
>konfusing klock speed with performanke

>>59265236
living the meme
>Thinkpads still get around 10 hours with the maxed out battery option the same way they did in 2011
wrong, it's almost double that

a T470 will get about 17 hours and an x270 will get 20, easily

>>59267237
the major issue with haslel-skylake ULV cpus was that they never clocked high enough, which is why Sandy Bridge still outperformed them.

Kaby Lake fixed that. an i5 7300u is faster than an i5 3360m in literally every measurable way

>>59267189
You can disable the touchpad in mouse settings. The Touchpd will be treated as Touchpad while the Trackpoint will be treated as Mouse by Linux

>>59267239
The X220 also got 24 hours

>>59267255
with a brand new 9 cell and brand new slice battery and weighed over 5 lbs

When typing on the left part of my x220 keyboard (ASD keys and the like) the laptop sounds like it's hollow. It's a fairly annoying noise.

Is this normal? Is there a wrong way to reassemble a keyboard?

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>>59267189
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics

>>59267185
It's nice that there's still solid models being made, but from what I can see they're not overly worthwhile unless you're utilising either the GPU improvements or the potential premium options like the 4K screen. A W530 will match the lower spec options on the P50 in all regards but the GPU from what I can tell.

In the US at least, the P50 seems to be available at a reasonable enough price given it's new though. I can't say the same here in Australia - Lenovo is quoting $3900 starting for min spec on their website, though 3rd party resellers want half of that which still leaves a good W530 at a quarter of the price of a P50 here.

>>59263453
no shit
>>59263965
>51nb
>better job than (((lelnovo)))

ThinkPad newfag here.

I'm considering buying T420 with:
Intel Core i5 2520M 2.5ghz
4GB DDR3 menory
Intel HD3000

Is 150 yuromonies worth it?
And isn't Intel HD a shitty graphics card or is it fine?

wew I thought my X60s was going to be here tomorrow but its already at the post office

so I'll go grab it now

please be a good one

>>59267816
Meme

>>59267816
Integrated graphics are just fine if you are doing normal laptop usage, there is no need for a megauberpowerful GPU in a fucking laptop

You wont play any heavy gaymes with that but the thing is, you shouldn't.

>>59267816
buy a T430 and screenswap with the original X1 Carbon screen

>>59266958

You're a special kind of autist if you think someone with a $120 budget here will wait and add another $80 just because you insist you don't like the non-chicklet keyboard.

Do any of you bring your Thinkpads to work/school daily? Is it too heavy/too cumbersome?

>>59268724
Mine weights 2kg, so I try not to pick it up too often. If only it would weigh 1kg.

>>59265524
>>59265474
>I'm so poor I need to use this reasoning to keep myself from feeling sad I can only afford old, heavy computers

>>59261868
I need a ThinkPad so bad to run my Xubuntu and to dev in a comfy af environment T_T

>>59267185
>only good enough laptops are a netbook and a 6 kg mobile workstation
>t-series is still failing
kek

>>59268838
true, you're not wrong. the T series has been a bad joke post ivy bridge.

>>59268022
okay, it is good enough
battery seems to work well
CPU is, sadly, not the C2D
the wireless card is the intel one but doesn't matter, I have an USB dongle
condition in general is good, the keyboard isn't very shiny at all

now off to install gnu/linux on it

>>59268724
I've been carrying around my X220t (1.7kg) for 3 years now, it's not that bad honestly

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>>59269135
Picture of the machine.

What is a TPM 1.2 security chip?

>ebay
>THINKPAD T420 CHEAP 160GB 8GB

scroll down

>installed size: 4GB

literally every single time

>>59269598
>tpm chip
unironically watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GQ9BStPmeA

Rate my E545

>inb4 E545 isn't a real thinkpad

A10-5750 2.5ghz quad
HD8650G APU
16gb RAM
1tb drive

>>59269749
kill yourself

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when you said thinkpads were comfy, you meant warm right?

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>>59262778
>dat 16:10
>all those status leds
maximum comfy
pic related is not mine

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>>59267138

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Are there any Thinkpads with glossy displays? I don't like how the matte coating makes the display look grainy.

>>59270097
my thinkpad yoga has a glossy display

it's shit. matte is the objectively superior option.

Any way to make the TrackPoint scrolling scroll the same number of lines as the normal mouse scrolling? I have my mouse wheel scrolling set to 10 lines, the clitmouse only scrolls 1.

>>59268943
what pisses me off is that X1C's and Yogas have a nice ~100% sRGB bright almost 300 nits screens and shit but if you want a 14'' laptop with more modularity and more ports the T4** series, the fucking Chinknovo punishes you with a terrible 60% sRGB and dim screens that are no better than the shittiest consumer thing you can buy at your local computers store.

What the fuck? Why can't they just put a good screen on a 14'' T series?

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>>59269990
>werks on my machine

>>59266425
>It's a X220 what screen to get?
how about a fucking x220 screen.

also obligatory
>windows

>>59270170
>50C idle is normal

>>59270190
I haven't changed the thermal paste since I got it like a year and half ago.

>>59270172
anon do you know nothing of the X220? He can get various IPS screens with different characteristics, he can modify it to accept 1080p displays, or just get the basic screen again. But I think if you're buying a new screen anyway, you want to feel like it's an upgrade in some way.

>>59266525
trackpoint. use it.

>>59266938
X250
>Insert as Fn+End
>no media buttons
>no volume buttons
>no mute buttons
>great

>>59270218
>trackpoint on *40 series
Basically even worse than the clickpad, thank fucking god they understood their fuck up and gave dedicated buttons back

>>59270212
it remains a stupid question to ask, not worthy of much attention.

I know you can upgrade screens in certain models. i replaced the shit TN screen in my x200 with an AFFS one, and then upgraded the CCFL lighting to LED. i just don't like people who don't take 2 seconds to google for a solution for their problems.

>>59270242
wasn't that replaceable with something not- or less-shit?

found x230 with i5, 4gb, 320gb HDD for 200euros, seems like there are no physicall dmg on it...is it worth the price, or should i pay 60e more for same model, only with 8gb and 180 ssd

>>59270257
You could replace it with a *50 series touchpad with dedicated buttons, although better than using *40, it was a better choice for me to just buy a whole another laptop (went from T540p to T550)

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When I try to scroll with the trackpoint the scroll icon shows up horizontally and I need to press the trackpoint harder to get it to scroll vertically.

What is going on? Any idea what is going on? Tried re-installing the drivers and it didn't help.

>>59261916
works on linux if they are enabled

>>59261868
I need to replace the keyboard on my T420s. Where is the best place in the UK to get a new keyboard? I looked on ebay and £50 is pretty expensive! I was expecting around £30.

>>59270239
What's the use for insert button?

>>59270677
insertion

>>59266501
>All ThinkPad touchpads are pure and utter shit

The latest generations are actually quite good.

Yeah, I use the trackpoint, but if you absolutely insist on using a trackpad (because maybe you have a disability, or you're just a total sperg) it's no longer a reason to avoid (new) Thinkpads.

>>59270677
Shift+insert as paste in Linux

>>59270684
Yeah, just as I thought. It's absent because nobody uses it.

>>59267196
That deal's solid. I got mine for more with a shit battery, but it came with an ssd. I would suggest an ssd if there isn't one.

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>>59270714
What?? Is this true? You can operate the ctrl+c ctrl+v with one hand. Why would you want to use shift insert?

>>59270718
I don't understand what it is == nobody uses it

My T420 fell from my passenger seat to floor of car, while in its carrying case, and now it's dead. I plug it in and the charging light doesn't come on, power button does nothing. What do? New mobo?

>>59265332
wait maybe it isn't

>>59270762
I actually do. And nowadays, there is no practical use to it. Can you prove me wrong? Can you present at least one example of a practical use for insert nowadays?

The trackpoint is an excellent invention if you want to know how it feels for old people to use a computer for the first time.

>>59270818
It has the same function it always did, there are no exciting yearly upgrades

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Is it possible to replace my x220 motherboard and gpu with an x230 tablet motherboard and gpu? I want that 3rd gen i7 and better Intel HD graphics

>>59270827
it's so nice to never leave the keyboard tho

Where does one get a good battery for a T420. The one that I got lasts for maybe 30 mins under a light load.

>>59270877
A motherboard is most of the computer, why not just sell your X220? I guess an X230T can take an old keyboard.

>>59270910
True, thanks

>>59270151
this was the deciding factor for me to go with the Carbon

I hope it lives up to my expectations

>>59270793
reseat the ram

>>59270968
I'll give it a shot, thanks. I figured the fans would at least spin if that were the problem.

I recently bought a T540p and it has one of those combination audio jacks for headphones and mic ins. I'm currently waiting on my mic for my X2's but in the mean time I am using a pair of IEMs with a in-line mic but my laptop won't detect it, any ideas?

>>59271090
To be clear, I can hear audio just fine, but it's not detecting my mic.

>>59270898
Lenovo

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It's weird looking at old threads from 2011 where people discuss whether your current Thinkpad is a good deal at $1500 or not

>2011 was 6 years ago

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>>59261868
Looking for a tiny, lightweight and cheap laptop.
It pic related (X100e) any good?

>>59271090
There are competing standards for the extra microphone line, could be that

>>59271145
Something a simple dongle would fix I assume?

My t430 trackpad is unusable as its pushed too deep insode the keyboard, is it possible to buy replacement nubs that have a longer neck?

>>59271182
If that's the problem yeah

>>59270017
nice view ュキ

>>59271142
We use one in my lab, and it's ok for very basic tasks (web surfing, document editing, super simple matlab analysis).
If you want to do more than watch a 720p youtube video or shitpost on 4chan (not at the same time), this laptop probably won't cut it.

We used this thing to run Labview and it was absolute torture. 2011 AMD dual-core low-voltage processors have not stood the test of time.
runs hot af as well. it's light tho

>>59271184
Trackpad or trackpoint? There are a couple different trackpoint shapes, but I'm not aware of other compatible trackpads.
You shouldn't be using the trackpad, anyway. Clit is so much better.

>>59271113
It has some pretty shitty reviews.

Looking for a 6 cell battery for my T450s

http://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/New-GENUINE-NEUVE-Original-Batterie-68-LENOVO-0C52862-6Cell-T450-T440-X240-X250-/152448705163?hash=item237ea6a28b:g:QmMAAOSwwIZXTHQM

Is it too good to be true?

Also, what are some good hints that identify fake products? Besides the low price and shipment from China/Hongkong

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Is $300US for an X201 with an i7 too much?

>>59271510
FWIW, I once bought a "hardly used" original T400 battery very cheap on eBay.
Turns out it really was in mint condition.

I also had 2 knockoff batteries. Both worked reasonably well, although with only about 70% of the genuine capacity.

Nowadays I only buy new from verified vendors. When your knockoff explodes, you will regret the 10 bucks you saved.

Elitebook 2170p vs 2570p.
Which should I buy and why? The 2570p is almost 50 dollars cheaper.

>>59271554
There's another seller selling it for about €80, which feels kinda "less wrong". Lenovo is charging €100+, which feels like a lot for a battery...

>>59271606
>Lenovo is charging €100+
I got mine for ~60€ from Amazon.DE

http://geizhals.eu/lenovo-0c52862-thinkpad-68-li-ion-battery-a1035153.html

Incidentally also a T450s

>>59271535
>X201
thats a FIRST GEN i7, mobile
its worth 50-60 dollars

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>tfw when i JUST bought a T520 for €135
The owner wanted to get rid of it because there are spots on the screen (probably from kids pushing against it)
Its not noticable from a normal viewing angle tho
Also, it came without a HDD (and caddy, using cardboard nigga dock now) and only 2 gb ram

>1600*900
>i5 3.2ghz dualcore meme
>intel hd 3000

It still feels like a good purchase, i could fish RAm from a dead laptop nearby and already took its hdd

Also, it has a Thinkpad W520 cover (owner said he replaced it, now it says w520 instead of t520)

>>59271650
Damn, are those genuine Lenovo batteries?

Though I hate the Krauts for asking €20 for shipment to fucking Belgium.

>>59270190
For that cpu it actually is.

Also >>59269990 normal under full load as well.

>>59271723
Yes

>>59271900
Thanks man!

>>59271892
>2520m at 50c is normal while my 2720qm stays most of the time at 45-50 with the fan off.
I'm glad i don't use that piece of shit operating system.

Also how is the 2520m at 96c on load normal? that's way too high imo even on windows.

>>59271900
Should I get a 90W adapter as well? Idk if the 65W will suffice for the bigger battery.

>>59271994
>2720qm stays most of the time at 45-50 with the fan off.
My 2520m stays roughly at 45-50 with the fan off too while idling using W7. 96c at full load including the igpu is what I get, I monitor it with HWiNFO64. Right now im resizing some images and it's at 80c. My memepad doesn't have dGPU so it has the crappy single pipe heatsink. Your machine probably has the better heatsink with double pipes and dGPU so it's made to deal with the 2720qm, I've seen some "upgrades" for the iGPU T520 with the quadcore models heatsink and heard it does make a great difference, a 2520m with quadcore heatsink never goes past 70c or so they say. The standard heatsink/fan is shit.

>>59272473
>96c at full load including the igpu is what I get
Actually I get slightly less, around 90c but the igpu does get to 96c. It's weird that according to HWiNFO the cpu consumes almost double the watts than the gpu yet the later gets hotter.

>>59272473
>Your machine probably has the better heatsink with double pipes and dGPU so it's made to deal with the 2720qm
No, my machine is a T420 with the stock single pipe heatsink and no dGPU, my processor is already 45W i don't want a dGPU that adds more heat sharing the heatsink with my processor and also it's not even a good dGPU.

memepads 4lyf nigga

What's the current recommended tpad for $200. I'd like to go big guy mode w520 hopefully.

>>59272235
I have the standard adapter and it's fine

>>59272580
That's weird, how hot does it get under full load?

>>59272703
The maximum i've reached is around 87c or so compiling things.

Tell me a cpu stresser for macOS and i'll test.

>>59262778
Comfy on a 3:2 Pixel :P

>>59263252
Best of luck selling it for $180 if its not IPS

>>59263780
Elitebooks are great computers. I think they are nicer than Dell Latitude/Precisions but never at a better price point, because there are so many fucking Dell laptops it seems.
Probooks on the other hand are hit and miss.

The 2570p benefits on having a socketed CPU, so you can toss a i7-3xxxQM onto there for warm winters, better than E6230 and x230 in that regard.

>>59265342
I'm just gonna assume you were that big tall buff dude who came into my work and said 'these computers are too big' on literally every 12" ultraportable we had?

>>59265682
what's next, you gonna complain that RAM isn't soldiered on?

>>59265732
X1C2/3 felt too flimsy/thin for me. I think the X1C4 was revised a bit thicc.
Processing wise, T430 blows it out of the water, minus battery life.
And vs the 8470p... Have yet to have one, but it has an ATI gpu optional instead of nVidia. I think 8470p's were outfitted with 900p displays, maybe even standard. But it doesn't have mSATA support.

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>>59271571
Bump

>>59270757
It doesn't work everywhere, I for example use shift+insert for terminals

>>59269749
>A10
Best of luck anon

>>59270097
Some touch based ThinkPads have a glossy overlay. I think there are maybe 2 different ThinkPads with an actual gloss screen instead of matte, I can't recall them right now.

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>>59262778
comfier than that

>>59273119
how hard is it to find an x201s with the nonshit screen

>>59273149
The X201s only had one screen option, the 1440x900 TN panel. They're pretty rare at all though, you'd likely have to lurk ebay for a month or so to find one, and be ready to fight hard if you really want one. Snipers jacked up the one I got to over twice the listing price in the last minutes of the auction. I wasn't happy about it, but for a rare model in good shape that came with two ultrabases, it was worth it.

>>59270285
Anyone?

>>59273242
you can libreboot an x201, right? or is it the x200 that i'm thinking of

>>59273271
That's the X200. The X201 is Nehalem, so it has Intel ME, and I don't know if it can be disabled in the same way the Sandy and Ivy Bridge versions can be. I haven't tried it myself, it's just that what I've read on the subject has only covered Sandy and Ivy Bridge, no mention of Nehalem.

>>59273313
guess i'm in the market for an x200s, then. thanks anon

90% of Thinkpad users are pretentious faggots because they are elitists who feel like they're better than the dumb sheeple for buying business class hardware. You buy these laptops because they make you feel like you're part of an "in group".

>>59269710
Not him, but what is the last gen of Thinkpads to not have shit like this?

>>59273331
In the X200s' case, there are more screen options than just the 1440x900 that was standard on the X201s. I know there's a 1280x800 panel, and I think there's also different backlight configurations, since that generation was when Lenovo switched over from CCFL to LED. Do plenty of research to make sure you're getting what you want.

There may also be compatibility issues with the X200s and Libreboot. Again, I haven't done anything with it myself, I'm just repeating things I've read. I know for the T400, you have to have the model with the lower-resolution screen for Libreboot to work. It might be the same with the X200s, but I really couldn't tell you.

>>59273372
thanks a million
hopefully i won't mess anything up so i can become fully liberated

Is windows 7 truly the best OS for an xx20 or is there a linux distro that manages to get equal or better battery life

Cause while I can get used to Windows 7 it'd be nice to have this thing not lose any capabilities while running a loonix distro.

>>59269710
uh huh.. so it's in all laptops already.. yet.. no one done for dodgy software due to this chip.. uhhuhuh..

>>59271142
Lenovo - chink shit

>>59269583
Eh what the hell, both Trisquel and gNewSense installers crash before finishing. I don't even get enough data out of them to really search why this might be. I'll still try, maybe it is a common problem.

Tomorrow I'll try installing Debian I guess, unless I can find a fix.

The computer should have no flaws, live trisquel runs fine and the windows it came with worked as well.

>>59273349
Find me a better sub $200 laptop with better documentation and community.

You can't faggot.

>>59270151

That's why the P50 is shit. $2k for a X220 tier panel.

>>59273823
C720?

>>59261890
shut up it's good anime watching machine

Picked up a T420 for £92 on eBay, using it now feels goodman, put a 120gb SSD in it that i had lying around

>>59273847
>a fucking celeron chromebook

>>59270285

m8 the whole ultranav thing has like 73 configurable options, you clearly messed up somewhere.

>>59273823
This, I buy them mostly because I want used/cheap laptops and I want to run GNU/Linux (here the documentation helps). I also like that the hardware is, at least on old models, easy to replace and upgrade.

>>59273847
>a chromebook
seriously?
I mean, it probably works, it is probably ideal for some people, but calling it "better" than Thinkpads? what the hell m8

>>59273904
I didn't say it was better than a Thinkpad. I only said it met the criteria of
>>59273823


>>59273878
T. Consumerist whore. Unless you're a developer, a video editor, or a gamer, you don't need more than an i3 in a laptop.

Installed lenovo's OSD software but it does nothing and I can't turn bluetooth off. anyone know what to do? x220, w7

>>59273931
you answered to a post asking for a "better sub $200" laptop so yes, you called that thing better than a thinkpad (at that price point, at least)

>>59273931
>consumerist whore
>buys a used laptop from 2011 for

>>59273944
Buy a Mac

>>59263074
I've been using my T530 for games. I recently finished Fallout 4 on it. Thank you NVS 5400.

>>59273872
1600*900?

>>59271129

They be like

>I spent 1,499 and the fan is loud. What now?
>Use TPfancontrol
>Oh, okay.

wew lad, I would have had a breakdown.

with all this support windows has for thinkpads

what do you even use the thinkvantage button for-' it does dick.

>>59273931
Yeah I'm a consumerist whore for not wanting to pay $200 for a 1366x768 celeron

You're an excellent salesman you should work for bestbuy

>>59273974
Unfortunately not, but ive only had it a couple days, maybe ill upgrade it in the future

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>>59273956
OK what now?

>>59273979
on Windows i used it to open foobar, on macOS i'm using it to open a terminal

>>59274016
Fist your arsehole with starbucks cups

>>59273948
I misread his post, but still, Chromebooks get better battery life and are more portable, which a lot of people consider to be the most important aspects of a portable computer.

>>59273953
Yes, you are. Nobody needs a power hungry i7 in a laptop. You're just a prententious fag who thinks buying a business class laptop makes you an important computer user like how macfags think buying used Macbooks makes them important computer users because artists use them.

>>59273980
Thanks.

>>59274016
Holy shit, take them aside, you're messing with powers beyond your comprehension!

>>59273979
Yeah but, how?

>>59273349
>who feel like they're better than the dumb sheeple


This angry fag with the "they feel like" again. The fuck kind of argument is that, kid?

>>59274067
meant to respond to >>59274026

>>59274138
here https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S56159870#p56165815

an old post of mine

>>59274104
I'm not angry. I'm just tired of Lenovo shills getting a free pass on /g/ when Dell, Apple, HP, Asus, etc etc shills rightly get called out for their bullshit.

Which one of you faggots drugged me and convinced me to sell my x201 for $80? I hate you motherfucker.

>>59274177
You still haven't posted a better alternative. Start posting or get the fuck out

>>59274177
You obviously care way too much about our thinkpads. You probably just live in a poo tier country where you can't buy one.

>>59274177
>Muh /g/

>>59273537
W>>59274030
>Chromebooks get better battery life and are more portable, which a lot of people consider to be the most important aspects of a portable computer.


Hello chromebook shill how are you today?


You are in a thinkpad thread again recommending celeron-2GBram-8GBmmc_storage shitty subpar notebooks.


What are you doing with your life? How did you end up in this situation?

>>59274220
But there is no objective best anything. It all depends on your use case scenario.

>>59274234
I live in the USA.

>>59274177
have you seen threads about modern lenovo laptops?

anything newer than the **30 gets bashed to death

>>59274242
How are you, Lenovo shill? How did you get past China's firewall? Your thinkpads are equally shitty unless you're always inside and close to a power outlet and never need to put your laptop in a backpack or something.

I don't care what you buy, but I'm tried of thinkshit shills thinking they own /g/. Kill yourself.

>>59274030
dude i bought one because it was $120, runs, and will likely continue to run for a few more years. so if tpg smells their own farts all day, that means everyone who bought [some dumb business laptop] is beneath contempt? you be projecting a lil, buddy

>>59274249
>I live in the USA.

lmao

>>59274256
No they don't. Lenovo hires too many shills to drown out the critics.

>>59274294
Shills need to be called out any and every time they post.

>>59273830
According to this
http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-p50
P50 has an impressive 183% sRGB but 276 nits thought

>>59274249
Nice non answer faggot.

Start with the T420 then. It's been the recommended Thinkpad for the past 2 years and it's the most popular Thinkpad by far.

Wouldn't it be great if you could find a better alternative and immediately kill /tpg/ once and for all? Hell I'm sure we'd be all up for having a general of your T420 killer.

>>59274324
god help people for liking a thing

>>59274286
>equally shitty

>Celeron, 2GB of soldered ram, 8GB of sd card storage, plastic shitcase

>thinkpads


Kek nice """bait""" you got there.

>>59274340
You only think thinkshit is so popular because of all the shills.

>>59274286
Obviously jelly his laptop isn't a meme

The above sounds like a joke but that's likely the exact reason

>>59274338
>but 276 nits thought

Unexcusable, my dude. And the vertical angles are bad.

>>59274364
It gets better battery life because it has a less powerful processor. Unless you're a video editor, a GAYMER, or a developer, you're wasting battery life with an old i5/i7. Battery life the objectively most important aspect of a laptop.

How much does Lenovo pay you?

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Hey /tpg/ What's you opinion on the T431s? i'm thinking of getting one and it seems there is no reason to get a t430s over it

>>59263920
the X62 retails for 1000usd
literally

>>59274417
>Battery life the objectively most important aspect of a laptop
[Citation needed]

>>59274370
if anything, the general popularity of used thinkpads in /g/ can be measured by the lack of blowback from this perceived shilling vs other laptops. who can argue against a cheap, good, used laptop with decent repairability and support from an enthuiest community? except on the "buhhh you think youre a fancy computer man but you arent duhhh" level?

>>59274406
True. Seriously thought what the fuck? Are they doing this on purpose? Spreading out the good parts between all their series so there's always some compromise between them?

>>59274324

>Shills need to be called out any and every time they post.

>spams "chromebooks are better" 24/7 in every laptop thread on /g/

Go make a chromebook general you faggot stop crying like a bitch.

>>59274249
>I live in the USA.
t. somebody who doesn't live in USA

>>59274417
Or they can get an i7 and use speedstep to lock the clock to whatever they want and get over 12 hours with a 9 cell 10000mah

>>59274461
he (or those like him) have tried to make chromebook general threads in the past, but they always die off early. maybe because nobody gives a shit about chromebooks??

>>59274446
>controlling the argument by trying to define the most important aspects of a laptop
Fuck off shill. Some people actually care about portability. If anything, you guys are just proving me right by responding to me so much. You've made your purchasing decisions a core part of your identity. You feel personally offended when someone calls you out on your shilling.

>>59274442
Why would you buy a laptop that required you be tethered to a wall?

>>59274461
I've only argued in one other thread about thinkpads. And in that thread, I only said they were better in one specific aspect and that you should install Linux so that you deprive Google on revenue. You on the other hand want me to give all my money to Lenovo like your salary depends on their well being...

>>59274446
I'm still shocked at how there's replacement parts for nearly every part of the thinkpad. They're dirt cheap as well. It's near diy desktop tier repairability.

>>59274449


Yea, I guess so.

There are slightly older haswell/broadwell T/W models with literally perfect screens.

Oh well, I will probably consider it in 2020.

>>59274495
You seriously still trying to shill that 8gb storage chromebook?

>>59274495

>in a /tpg/ general

>calls thinkpad owners 'shills'

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>>59274495
things like, price, repairability, upgradability, community support, are important to enough people to warrant a regular general thread in /g/, yes

>>59274177
>Lenovo shills
Probably the least accurate description of the people who post in these threads. I'd break it down something like this:

>40% plebs that just want a decent laptop for cheap and are consulting /g/ for consumer reviews and purchase validation
>20% ignorant people who got newer Thinkpads either through a job or simply without hearing about them on /g/
>20% IBM fanboys who despise Lenovo for everything they've done
>10% true thinkpad cultists with no particular bias regarding IBM or Lenovo, but perhaps disdain for newer laptops due to lesser modularity and removed features
>5% owners of other business laptops, welcome friends so long as they are peaceful
>4.9% idiots that think their chromebook or macbook have any place here
>0.1% Chang from Lenovo, here to tell you why you should buy a brand new Silver ThinkPad 13 for full price today and run Windows 10 on it - you don't want to look like an autist, do you?

>>59274570

>>59274570

>>59274570

>>59274549
I don't give a fuck what you buy as long as you're not being paid by Lenovo to buy it.

>>59274565
Viral marketing is real. Lenovo wants to make it look like theres a big community so that people want to buy thinkpads to fit in.

>>59274585
10% here

>>59274590
nice

>>59274417

>Battery life the objectively most important aspect of a laptop.

>>59274519
>with literally perfect screens.
I assume these are 15 inch models? T440, T440s, T450 and T450s all have either dim screen or low sRGB

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>>59274424
>awful trackpad
>keyboard worse than the one on the T430