/wt/ watch thread

can we talk about clocks too

>>59210481
sure

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>>59210481
r8 my clock

+1/-1 second over 10,000 years

Swan neck regulators seem really useful, why don't all watches have them?

Can springbars literally disappear?

>>59210541
Do material things ever literally disappear?

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>$12,000

Holy fucking shit, I knew that Panerais cost kilobucks but I thought it was $1,000, $2,000 at best.

But $12,000 holy fucking shit lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFpkE7Rjkns

>>59210567
yes

>>59210567
are material things really here in the first place?

>>59210568
Thought the fake was the real one.

>>59210595
I am not sure it does.

>>59210615
Is that you, Jaden?

>>59210521
That's better answered as two separate questions. Many watches have other types of micro-adjusters for the beat rate, such as the etachron screw (used on ETA movements) or Seiko's screw type micro-adjuster. Screw type micro-adjusters work at least as well as swan necks, and maybe better.

As for why many movements don't have micro-adjusters at all, that's a matter of cost savings on entry level movements, typically

>>59210498
I'd be surprised if it did 30 seconds a month

>>59210741
I don't get what you mean. It syncs every day and it's spot on with time.is

>>59210782
Key word syncs, if I set a mechanical watch every single day it would be pretty accurate too.

>>59210807
Only if you set it using the atomic clock

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i have an excessive amount of alarm clocks. this is not all of them.

>>59210847
Do you use your phone for your actual alarm

>>59210845
Sure, the point I'm making is your clock doesn't have to be accurate at all when it's reset all the time. The atomic clock is accurate to seconds per millennia, yours is not.

>>59210807
>Key word syncs

Yes we have established that it syncs

So your "I'd be surprised if it did 30 seconds a month" is a retarded comment.

>>59210862

at home i use one of the bigger ones until i get bored of it and then switch it out. right now i am using a 1960s westclox. when i am traveling (which is often) i pick one of the smaller ones you see there.

>>59210847
where did you get them? I'm really keen on getting an old style alarm clock

>>59210887

ebay and etsy are the best places i've found.

>>59210868
>yours is not.
It is

>>59210807
>>59210868
This is what autism looks like

>>59210924
he's right though

>>59210879
>>59210924

i think the distinction here is philosophical. is a radio atomic clock a separate movement, or is it merely a slave dial to the NIST cesium fountain? perhaps it is something in between.

>>59210924
Takes one to know one.

>>59210904
Your clock by itself is no more accurate than a cheap quartz movement. It just sets itself automatically instead of making you do it every day. That isn't a very impressive time keeping feat.

>>59210946
I think the distinction here is between people who aren't autistic and people who are.

It's good to have a radio clock in your house as the master clock everything else is set to.

>>59210982
No one said it was you incredible raging autist.

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Is this weird? Am I the only one who does this? I find something about watches spectacular. They are incredible works of engineering and I just ... they're beautiful.

>>59210996
Um, yes? >>59210498

>>59210999
never buying a used watch again

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>>59210985

i set this to the GW5000, and i set everything else to this.

>>59210999

that isn't the right lubricant according to the service manual.

>>59211007
>I'm too autistic to understand jokes

>>59210924
The Atomic clock is accurate, the clocks that sync up to it are not necessarily so.

You can call it autism it doesn't mae you right

>>59211041
What was the joke here?

>>59211057
The same as when someone posts about the accuracy of their mechanical watch and then you post a picture of a $10 quartz watch

>>59211078
what's the joke there?

>>59211102
Humour is a difficult concept for those with autism.

>>59211113
I can tell.

>>59211113
clearly, seeing your attempts

Are these things really worth the money for their engineering value or are their prices vastly inflated by all the rich fuckers collecting them?

>expecting not to find autism on /g/

Pretty autistic 2bh

>>59211159

both

>>59211159
depends what you buy

>>59211159
Which specific watch are you referring too?

>>59211159
which item made by a human culture are we talking about here

>>59211167
Can't be both. $100k watches are worth their value for their engineering alone?

>>59211180
Well, the really expensive ones like Patek. I can understand the price hitting thousands because they're made of precious metals but they shouldn't be worth that much.

>>59211159

Grand seiko: expensive because of engineering

Rolex: expensive because of quality of finish

Omega: expensive because of marketing and memes

Patel: expensive because of exclusivity and rich fucks collecting them

>>59211204

no, it can only be "both". you said "these things", which a reasonable person could only take to mean "mechanical watches in general".

>>59211204

There's only about $500-$700 worth of gold, by commodity prices, in a typical gold watch.

>>59211210
>patel
having a freudian slip, are we pajeet?
were you unable to shill your shitter beat-up sarb to a Mr. Patel?

>>59211245
Maybe k and l are next to each other on his keyboard

>>59211204
Archieluxery is the epitomization of why patek watches are expensive

>>59211245
Patek autocorrects to patel

>>59211245
l is beside k so I can forgive him.

>>59211222
Even then, the cheaper ones (non-crap Chinese minimum) are worth their prices? They're $300+.

All they do is tell the time.

>>59211204
one off masterpieces like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPWCl2FDKe8
are obviously worth the engineering alone

>>59211288
Is a Ferrari worth the money? All it does is drive

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Hey guys, what do you call a watch that can't keep time?
Timeless!

>>59211288

seiko 5 starts at about $60 and uses a movement made in malaysia. it tells the time, the date, and the day of the week.

there's obviously some reason you're in this thread. why don't you get a seiko 5 and see whether it pleases you? if not, you're only out $60.

>>59211303
For 26m and being a one-off, that's the very definition of the price being inflated because the demand far outstrips the supply.

I agree that I'd actually pay thousands for more complicated movements though.

>>59211312
Unlike a cheaper car, a Ferrari drives really well.

>>59211204
you aren't going to find a piece comparable to a 100k piece for much less. people pay it. I think you are thinking too hard about objective value.

prices are inflated but that's just how watches are

>>59211350

keep in mind that for an item like this, the high price is itself a selling point.

you can't flaunt wealth with something that didn't cost you a lot.

>>59211350
The thing took 6 years to be created, that manpower along with their education training and materials could come close to 3 million, which was the original price of the watch in 1989 (inflation adjusted it's 5.8 mil)

Any luxury company would make far more money by just producing pieces of shit to sell to plebs.

Rolex could make much more money selling $10 quartz watches.]

Volkswagen make more money than Ferrari.

When you buy a luxury item you pay a high price to compensate the company for focusing on high end and well engineered stuff.

>>59211439
it's almost like if someone wants something more than other people do, they will pay more.

this could possibly lead to exclusive collectibles appreciating in value

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>>59211318
Haldimann H9 Reduction

>>59211159
for the most part its inflated to fuck after about 2 grand

>Panerais cost 12 (twelve) thousand dollars

Innovative: no, generic ETA movements

Good finish: no, they look basic as fuck

>>59211565
I mean if you know that much then obviously you know which "luxury" brands are scams

>>59211514

i can't tell from the article, does it have a tourbillon? if so then i might argue that it can "keep" time, but cannot "tell" it.

>>59211660
As you say, it does indeed "keep, but not tell" time.

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>>59211518
I've stuck to looking at watches less than 2 grand, aye. I think you can make a watch look good without having it made out of precious metals.

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>>59210999

If you want watches with non inflated prices look to China. You'll have to wade through mounds of shit though.

Where do you go to get the exact time?
I've been using time.is

>>59211724
that would be the watch from "Hello, My Twenties!"

>>59211802
My sundial

>>59211724
I dig JLC for complications, they are over 2k but well under what you would pay for a comparable Patek

Are there any slide rule watches that look good

>>59212303
as in objectively attractive and everyone will always like it? No because busy watches are something you have to like, it's not everyone's thing

>>59212643
Are there any slide rule watches that aren't busy? Like without a chronograph. I don't give a shit about the chronograph I just want to do math

>>59212659
It's usually a complication that goes on a pilot watch, which often have chronographs.

you'd have to dig around to find a watch with just a sliderule bezel

>>59212659
not a wristwatch, but you could consider a KL-1 pocket watch slide rule

what's a good quartz chrono?

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>>59212683
>>59212659

I have just found some but yeesh, you are probably better off with a chronograph that these

>>59212740
seiko ssb series is alright for the money if you find one you like

Bulova's high frequency quartz are alright movements too.

>>59212744
Is
>21 H
just there to visually balance the date window?

>>59212740
also consider stuff with a VK64 movement

>>59212778
I can only guess

>>59212832
I mean, if that were a functional GMT complication, I could be okay with it. But I suspect it's not.

>>59212844
no I am fairly certain its just 24 hour numerals. not that 24 hour numerals can't be done well,but that one is not

>>59212744
gah and why is 60 on the slide rule at the top of the watch instead of 1? and the hour scale is 13-24 rather than 1-12 or 1-24. Everything about this watch horrifies me. Thanks anon I'm going to have nightmares tonight.

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>>59212303
maybe

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New strap arrived, think it looks pretty goof for $30 chink shit

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Is the extra price worth it over the SKX007?
I love the look of these, probably the best looking seiko diver's.

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Give me a reason why i shouldnt buy this? Has tritium dial by the way

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>>59213558
I'm wearing one right now (black dial version). Works great, appears to legitimately have a Ronda movement inside. Would recommend, go for it. The lume is fantastic.

Wwhats' the cheapest perpetual you can get?

>>59213615
How different is that to the Carnival branded one? They seem to be the same price

>>59213630
The frederique constant is 5.7k USD on jomashop

>>59211210
That's so fucking wrong

>>59213665
Is that used? I meant knew.

>>59213662
afaik they're the same watch

>>59213678
It's knew, just grey marquet. But even from an AD it will be solidly under 10k

>>59213352
Better movement, looks better (subjective)

>>59213630
gerald genta or corum i would think, (used ofc)
if you're into quartz mechanical hybrids there's the GP equation perpetual

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/wt/ sure sped up recently, we're at like two threads a day, and most of it isn't even shitposting.

Anyway today I'm gonna try and assemble the Komandirskie in pic, the mainplate was fucked, but hopefully it will work now. If it doesn't I still have like 4 soviet movements I can use as donors.

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This is my favourite shitter.

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>>59210999
I need a break from 4chan.

I thought /g/ was relatively safe from this kind of shit.

>idiot watch guy at the mall added 3 scuffs on a brand new watch while adjusting the damn bracelet

FUCKING MORONAWODWAJ:FIAWRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHH

>>59215099
That'll learn you, adjust your own bracelets. It's trivial.

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>>59215099
>>59215126
FUUUUCCCCKKKIIIIIINNNGGGGGG MMMOORRRRROOOOOOOOONNNNNNN

GGGOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDD

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>>59215099
Must have been shit steel. Or your watch is too much of a cheap shitter for the watchmaker to care. I usually cover the sizing block with a plastic ziplock bag when sizing bracelets, to prevent scuffing, but if it's a cheap chink piece of shit I just don't give a crap.

t. watch repair/batterynigger anon

>>59210999
Did you grind your dick on those gears?
>Hope you get Tetanus

One of the hour markers on my shitty watch fell off. Might buy a nicer one next payday.

>>59215438
Was it a TAG?

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Currently saving for Zenith Pilot Type 20 Extra Special.

Does anyone know what would be the best go to budget version of said watch under $500?

>>59215498
holy fuck, that crown.

>45mm
>With a crown that size
HOLY
FUCK
NIGGA

Think you gotta be extra special to want that fucking thing

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>>59215453
Na bit nicer than them. :^)

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>>59215438
Buy a Vostok. The indices and numerals are stamped from from the dial material, so literally 0% chance of it ever falling off.

>>59213630
Casio f91w for $10

Any affordable alternatives to grand seiko's spring drive mechanism?

>>59215774
Swatch

>>59215774
Bulova.

>>59212744
Wew. Looks like seiko makes a bunch of affordable non chrono slide rules but they're all hideous.

>>59212881
Not bad

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>>59212881
This color of that watch is interesting. I wish they made one in field khaki, I'd buy it in an instant if they did.

Would you wear an all-white watch with a white strap that isn't a G-shock?

>>59215498

Lol, Zenith and IWC make good money making cartoonishly designed and proportioned watches for rich manbabbies that want to play dress up.

Holy fuck the gullible tasteless shmucks that buy shit like this.

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I HAVE A CREDIT CARD AND I'M NOT AFRAID TO USE IT

>>59215774
What aspect of spring drive are you looking for?

>>59216314
Like those mido ceramic watches?>>59216364
Do it, then document your buyer's remorse

>>59216393
HA HA WITH GENUINE A GENUINE SEIKO™ BRAND SEIKO™ THERE IS NO BUYERS REMORSE WITH THAT SEIKO QUALITY™

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>>59216393

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>>59216319

>>59216364
sup archie

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Obtain?

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>>59215681
Yes, yes bravo well done...

However

>>59216587
Why do Vostoks look 30 years old when they're brand new?

>>59215774
Nope. Because spring drive incorporates a mechanical drivetrain with a quartz rate regulator, it is much more expensive to produce than a stepper motor quartz. As far as I'm aware the only other company to have publicly released a watch with such a movement is a $70,000 Piaget.

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>Have hit rich vein on ebay of vintage clocks with cathedral hands.

Oh boy I love cathedral hands. It's why I want a Alpinist.

Hopefully will cop one by the end of the day.

>>59216602
Fifty year old tooling, fifty year old designs, fifty year old QA standards.

>>59216415
The case isn't white though. There are ceramic cases that are actually white.
Blancpain, Omega, Mido... All make white cases. Mido makes white bracelets.

>>59216569
What the hell is that? Why is there a screw in it?

>>59216697
It's an old clock and at some point it's lost a foot and someone has drilled a screw in there to "fix" it.

>>59216587
That watch is an early 90's turd, what's your argument?

What are some "luxury" brands you just don't get?

Sinn: Watches look boring and cost Kilobucks and I can't see why.

Panerai: Again same as Sinn, expensive, boring looking watches that don't even have a complicated finish

Brietling: Look busy and ugly as fuck

>>59216861
Design on sinn is subjective, some people like them. Not to mention they have their own case factory. Overall with sinn it's the technology (for example tegimented steel) mixed with great bracelets and cases

>>59216861
I "get" most of them except for the higher end Swatch brands like Blancpain and Breguet which make no sense why the fuck anyone would buy one instead of comparably priced JLC, Patek, etc. watches.

>>59216861
Damasko. I respect the engineering but really dislike most of the designs aesthetically. Same goes for Nomos. I respect their development into a true manufacture, but the designs just don't do anything for me. Rolex now that they have those maxi-case abominations.

I'm leaving out brands I find reprehensible in their entirety, which includes pretty much every heavily marketing driven brand (TAG, The Swatch Group, Frederique Constant, Breitling, Panerai, IWC, Zenith).

>>59216806
Relax man. I like it. It's just a shame the indice from 10 has fallen off.

Just ordered a quartz grans seiko

>>59217101
>want a tissot
>find out eta movements are used by everyone and their mother
>all these watches of different brands are literally the same

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>>59216861
>Sinn
Agree most of the buyers mention "technology" whatever that is I don't get the impression from online picture

>Panerai
Can literally be replicated 1:1 might as well just buy MM

>Brietling
For some reason only british people respect and covet this brand. Too messy and TagHeuer-y for me, except of course their Emergency line which can actually save a pilot's life because it's a SOS beacon

>>59217101
Seconding Damasko and Nomos

Nomos is incredibly unremarkable in real life. Literally a brand wanked into mid luxury by bloggers wanking bauhaus and manufacture

>>59217163
Which one?

>>59217192
>"technology" whatever that is
Tegimented (hardened) cases, Argon dehumidfying, inert gas filled, oil filled...

>>59217170
This was my pain. Fuck I hate what happened to the watch industry.

>>59217254
What does all this tech wankery do?

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>>59217313
>What does all this tech wankery do?

Make people justify spending $2000 for an ETA shitter.

>>59216861
>What are some "luxury" brands you just don't get?
Basically all of them. There is absolutely no way any of them are actually worth $5k - whatever in God's name price they attach to it. It's just advertising and rich people willing to shit out money simply because it's expensive jewelry and they can show off how much money they spent

>>59217328
Fuck right off with this Eta shitter meme. You tell me right now what is wrong with these movements

>>59217170
>find out eta movements are used by everyone and their mother

Doesn't that mean that they are cheaper and easier to service? Why do you want a special snowflake movement in a cheap watch? It's not like at that price you could expect any special features.

>>59217378
They cost $100 yet make the watch they're in automatically $2k+

>>59217402
But they're reliable and and work well. My eta 2824 runs +4-5 a day. Don't blame ETA as the shitter, the watch company is the shitter

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>>59217378
>When you buy fucking garbage and then go full defense mode when someone points out your poor decisions

What strap should i throw on my 1963? Not sure if I am feeling the NATO. Anyone with 1963 strap inspiration?

>>59217440
More than willing to listen to you try and defend what you're saying. Or are you just going to post reaction images and try and be le funny meme man on the internet?

>>59217441
Looks good on some dressy leather

>>59216314

yes. the only all-white watch with a white strap that i would wear is a sistem51

>>59217362
Luxury products have to be set to a certain price for it to be worth the companies time and effort.

There is far more money in making cheap shit for plebs.

So while a Rolex might cost $1000 to manufacture you pay a $4000 "thanks for not turning into a shitter company" tax.

If every luxury item was priced at how much it was actually worth, there wouldn't be any luxury items.

>>59217192

bauhaus minimalist fans are severely mentally defective. they would literally wear a watch with a completely blank dial and no hands if they thought people would notice it less.

>>59217192
>>Sinn
>Agree most of the buyers mention "technology" whatever that is I don't get the impression from online picture

Honestly, would it kill you to do a LITTLE research before opening your mouth? Sinn might not be your cup of tea but it is clear they make significant investments into the engineering of their cases such as >>59217254 pointed out.


>>Panerai
>Can literally be replicated 1:1 might as well just buy MM

>>>59217101 (You)
>Seconding Damasko and Nomos
>Nomos is incredibly unremarkable in real life. Literally a brand wanked into mid luxury by bloggers wanking bauhaus and manufacture

I really don't want to have this argument again, so let's just say that I disagree with you about their pricing as they did spent a massive sum of money to become a true manufacture. That doesn't change that I just don't dig the Bauhaus styling at all. The only model I find vaguely tolerable aesthetically is the Zurich, but at that pricepoint I'm going for a Grand Seiko every single time.

>>59217486
Exactly. I don't "get" paying for a name

>>59217328
This is silly. $500 for an ETA 2824-2 powered watch and $1000 for an ETA 2892-A2 powered watch are more or less the going rates for Chinese cased micro-brands.

Considering all the technology that Sinn puts into the cases and that they are actually manufactured in Germany, their prices are not wildly out of line.

>>59217529
So you would just prefer every luxury item to vanish and we would be buying chinese shitters every year to replace the broken ones?

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>>59217450
ETA movements are made, assembled and regulated 100% by machine, and their design and overall quality shows this. It's fucking Swatch, they put in the absolute minimum effort and cut every corner including shitty machining of gear teeth, QA standards, tolerances, and the designs all use regulated balances because machines can't really into free sprung. All of the little details that make the watches run good and have longevity are absent on ETA movements, regardless of how many Geneva stripes your "level" of ETA is covered in. I mean fuck even Breitling has to order their movements in parts and then refinish and replace a whole host of them just to get the movements into COSC specs.

Even their most respected movements like the Valjoux 7750 are $100 movements.

Buying expensive ETA-based watches is like buying a Ferrari with an engine that was designed for a Ford Pinto. If you buy most Sinn, IWC, FAG Heuer, Longines, Tissot, etc. watches you have brain damage. And Swatchgroup is cutting off access to parts so have fun getting it serviced.

Now please show us the ETA watch you own which must be such a good deal to prove me wrong.

>>59217556
>So you would just prefer every luxury item to vanish
I didn't say that. There will always be people to buy them, so they will exist regardless. Anon just asked what I don't get and I answered

>hating on ETA

what. shouldn't ETA be more valued now that they cracked down on who can purchase the movement (ie. nobody outside swatch group). at least you know the movement is swiss

>>59217362
This is flatly wrong in some cases. Seiko's profit margins would probably go UP if they shut down Grand Seiko. There is simply no way GS can generate the margins Seiko's mass produced watches do considering the absurd amount of labour they spend on each watch and the pricepoint they sell them at.

Car enthusiasts: This engine is used in a lot of cars, it's a good engine!

Watch enthusiasts: This movement is used in a lot of watches, it's a shit movement!

>>59217578
>Even their most respected movements like the Valjoux 7750 are $100 movements.

Quick ebay search says they're $400 +

>>59217628
>$400
To consumers, sure

>>59217578
I have never seen a real world example (except for the flaw in hand winding) of any of the aspects you are bitching about being a serious issue in real life. You can make it sound terrible on paper but when push comes to shove in real life some ETAs are serious work horses. As anon above mentioned, look at the Chinese microbrand economy. A lot of these watches are not unfairly priced to be competitive.


Using the whole "costs $100 to make" argument is so stupid. Everything is cheaper to make then what it costs in store fuck. Take anything and you'll feel bad about how much it costs to manufacture vs sale price

>>59217578
You are generalizing way too much here. The ETA 2824-2 and Valjoux 7750 are pretty mediocre, but the ETA 2892-A2 is one of the most inherently accurate series produced automatic movements ever made.

ETA does also do significantly better functional finishing on their top grade and chronometer level movements.

Also regulated balances are not necessarily inferior to free sprung balances, and Rolex perfectly well mostly machine makes movements using a free sprung balance. Actually, movement designers seem to be coming back around to regulated balances after the height of the FSB fad.

>>59217628
>Quick ebay search says they're $400 +

Ebay also says a fake Rolex is worth $2000. What people list things for on ebay is irrelevant.

ETA movements are more like the LS1 engine of the watch world.

Cheap, modular, easy power delivery.

Jesus Christ why can a shirt I ordered on Monday get here today but a watch bracelet I ordered last fucking Tuesday not get here?

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>>59210847
>alarm clock
>best grill
I see what you did there

>>59217693
The jews

>>59217655
>FSB fad.

Hell of a fad.

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>>59217694

>>59217708

I only meant that they were all the rage for a while and virtually every new movement being designed was using a free sprung balance. The pendulum has started to swing back the other way now, with a lot of new movements going back to regulated balances.

The fact that a Rolex 3035 or 3135 will not necessarily outperform an ETA 2892-A2, Omega 56x/75x or Seiko 52xx in positional variance, isochronism, and worn accuracy serves as a good indication that free sprung balances are not inherently superior to regulated balances.

That being said, it remains to be seen whether anyone making a regulated balance would be able to equal Rolex being able to rate their new 3255 movements +/- 2s/d

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This mainplate was about to be binned, but looks like I managed to save it, more or less. There is like a long wave in the signal with a 20s amplitude, probably a slightly eccentric wheel, or the regulating curve of the hairspring not being perfect, but I don't think it can be fixed without making something much worse.

It's not a chronometer after all, it's a pre-bankruptcy Vostok 2414 that was originally deemed irreparable. If it does well in other positions as well I'm gonna re-case it tomorrow.

>>59217440
Do you not comprehend the concept of value for money? I don't think there's anything wrong with an ETA 2824-2 in a ~$500 watch or an ETA 2892-A2 in a ~$1,000 watch. At those prices, you're getting a reasonable value for money and you are in a price bracket where your other alternatives have their own warts (Miyota 9015 and Seiko 6r15c).

The problem is when companies start trying to sell ETA powered watches for multiple kilobucks using marketing. There's nothing inherently wrong with the movements at the right price point.

>>59217757
True, I wouldn't say that free sprung is inherently better than a regulated balance, as JLC proves you can indeed make them to such a high quality that they're equal to Rolex movements. But then you have to ask how much of that is inherent equality in accuracy versus them having to compensate on other aspects of the watch to make it the same. I don't know the answer to that but I do know that the arguments for why it's better to have a free sprung balance seems strong and I can't think of a single watch using this system that has anything less than COSC accuracy (with new Rolexs, even lowly Air Kings, being within +2/-2 seconds a day which is fucking astonishing).

I know this is completely anecdotal but the 20 year old 3185 movement in my Explorer II is nearly dead on balls at less than +1 sec per day consistently with me being fucking savage on it at work.

>>59217328
I don't want a Sinn, none of their lineup appeals to me.

>>59217313
Case that doesn't scratch, moisture extracted from the case, resistance to pressure..

>>59217765
Wut program is this? Is it free? Don't want to spend $150 on a timegrapher

>>59217765
Scratch that, it's still fucked. Escape wheel keeps slipping. Maybe pallet stones, or escape wheel, but most likely pallet fork bridge. Really need to get a fucking microscope already.

>>59217913
tg. You'll find it on WUS.

>>59217872
>moisture extracted from the case

Not a problem if your watch is dive rated. And hence air tight.

>>59217804
ETA is fine for sub-$500 watches. I don't expect affordable watches to get in house movements in them, and hey an ETA movement (can) work decent enough. But again, people that are buying these expensive watches (and I include this as basically everything $1000 or above, regardless of how finely finished the movement is) are making a poor decision.

It goes right back to the "Ford Pinto engine in a Ferrari" thing. Yeah you can go on all day about how it "works" how affordable it is versus the V12 engines, how it's horsepower is enough for your needs, etc. but that feels wrong and it should feel wrong because it's completely soulless and objectively you're not getting a whole lot more substance for a pricetag an order of magnitude higher. It just doesn't make sense.

>>59217920
>tg. You'll find it on WUS.

Do you need some kind of fancy microphone? Most of my watches tick quietly and I have a hard time picking them up with wildspectra

>>59217921
This is false

>>59217601
It's almost as if watch enthusiats value exclusivity and luxury and car enthusiasts value reliability and cost efficiency

>>59217921
If you never wind it or set the time outside a vacuum, sure.
Air has moisture in it.

>>59217937
Get a piezo and a preamp. Google the rest.

>>59217441
Tan leather zulu.

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>Hand press just arrived

Just need my movement holder now and I can do my shitter project. Gonna be first time I've attempted anything with a watch.

>>59218028
Nice. Are hand presses expensive? I kind of want to mod an snk809, because I really like the case, but I'm not that big on the dial after all.

>>59218050
Mine was £8 off ebay

>>59218062
Ah cool. I'll wait to hear about your experience with the tools then.

>>59210999
Honestly I'm surprised it took this long for this to happen

>>59217988
For this price I might as well buy a timagrapher though.

>>59214921
>I thought /g/ was relatively safe from this kind of shit.
Ah yes, the girl socks and dragon dildo board is surely safe from degeneracy

Has anyone taken time zone watch school?

>>59218276
These are dirt cheap, silly.

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Wtf happened here?

>>59218342
That's a penis

>>59217578
Yet for some reason the 2824 is pretty much the standard 3-hand mechanical movement, widely regarded as reliable and easily serviceable. The 7750 is a beast. Built like a brick shithouse, ultra reliable out of the box and reasonably accurate. And a bit more than $100... try $300-$500 for a decent used movement and $700+ new. Wholesale.

While I am not an ETA guy, credit where credit is do. They're good basic movements that often find themselves getting a bad reputation because manufacturers plunk them down into overpriced shit (I had to resist the urge to tell my boss his TAG Calibre 5 was really just a pedestrian 2824 marked up to $5k)

>>59218342
geneva penis

to compensate for your manhood

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>>59218337
Well I ordered the cheapest one of each. I know preamps can cost a lot of money but maybe this will work, it's not got to produce quality sound after all, just detect beats.

>>59217944
>>59217601
An engine used in a lot of cars may not necessarily be a good engine, but it makes sense to use a good engine in lots of cars.

A 2GR-FE is used in fairly unassuming cars like the Camry, Sienna and the old Rav4, but they make some small tweaks to the basic engine design and go on to employ it in Lexus products and even the Lotus Evora. Nobody but the most sperg 18-year-old obsessed over being different for the sake of being different will make a big deal out of it.

Why do some people make such a big deal out of it when it comes to watches?

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>>59218364
>>59218372

Ha ha

There aren't any movements that are 100% built by machine right?

I mean the parts are cut by a machine but humans assemble. Can robots even be precise enough to put together a movement?

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According to the tracking my SARB has been delivered! I hope the neighbour they left it with hasn't pilfered it.

>>59218616
Alpinist anon from gizmo outlets?

Post reviews? If your experience is positive I'll order now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE8EOTX7HwU

>99% built by machine

Give me one good reason this mass produced shit is worth $12,000

>>59218703
Because most rich people don't give a shit about watches and just buy what they like.
Same thing with cars, computers, phones, clothing, and pretty much anything

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>>59217861
It certainly takes a fair bit of work to manufacture and adjust a regulated balance to such a level that it is extremely accurate, but the same also holds for adjusting and regulating a free sprung balance via the tiny adjustment screws, really.

In the end, Seiko managed to approach the absolute upper limits of mechanical watch accuracy in the late 1960s and early 1970s with their regulated balance VFA models which were guaranteed to run +/- 60 seconds a month for two years.

I have a 1975 King Seiko Special 5256-8010 with a regulated balance that easily runs between +0 and +8 in six positions and runs +0.0s/d on average when worn and once ran +0.0s total over a 20 day span (pic related).

In the end, it seems to be the case that either free sprung balances or regulated balances can be roughly equally accurate in 28,8000+ bph movements as long as they are manufactured, adjusted and regulated with proper care.

>>59218804
>King Seiko Special

How much can you cop these for?

>>59218703
anon, even Pateks or Dufours are built by machines. you pay for finishing+brand+materials.

>>59218703

And,by contrast, here is Grand Seiko literally microscopically inspecting every single part and using a MEMS labratory to manufacture hollow balance wheels with perfect inherent poise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0hR9jagpSM

>>59218870
This reminds me of a video of the nissan engine factory. Totally not what I was expecting, it's all guys in clean suits in a laboratory.

Each GTR engine is even built by one person and they sign their name on it after finishing.

>>59218824
I bought mine off Yahoo! Japan Auctions using a proxy bidding service for $140 USD + shipping, but I get very lucky to find a 5256-8010 at that price.

For King Seiko Specials using the 52xx movement you should expect to pay ~$250-300 USD on Y! Japan Auctions and ~$500-750+ on eBay.

You have to keep in mind that the 52xx King Seiko Specials were adjusted to a much higher standard that was officially allowed for King Seiko models, since Daini Seikosha saw them as their swan song for mechanical watchmaking before the quartz revolution ended high-end mechanical production at Seiko. Daini adjusted the King Seiko Special models to beyond Grand Seiko levels as their statement for posterity, but for marketing reasons could not advertise this explicitly and hence just marked them as "Special" without defining what that meant.

>>59218944

aaand you've just sold one

If anyone is interested, massdrop has skx watches for 180 bucks.

>>59218448
Did you not read the post you replied to?

>>59218944
>expect to pay ~$250-300 USD on Y! Japan Auctions
>and ~$500-750+ on eBay.

Holy shit why

>>59218604
The swatch sistem51 is entirely put together by automated machinery

>>59218870
I WANT A GRAND SEIKO BUT I DON'T HAVE MONEY NOW AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>59219057
Seiko isn't going out of business anytime soon, don't worry.

>>59219036
Did you not read a single thing he said?

These things are the legacy of Daini Seikosha. This was the last hurrah of the Daini mechanical movements before they were retired for good. And they're damn excellent. Although, I wonder if a KS Special will run substantially better now (40 years on) than a standard 5206 or 5216.

>>59218951
I consider them to probably be the single most undervalued vintage Seiko models from the late 1960s to late 1970s period.

Vintage prices for 45xx King Seikos have far outstripped them (understandable as the 45xx movement was the one that terrified the Swiss into cancelling the chronometer trials in the late 1960s and is one of only two production movements EVER to achieve Astronomical Observatory Chronometer certification). The problem with them now, besides their high prices, is that the high-beat 45xx movement is prone to excessive wear and needs frequent maintenance.

King Seiko 56xx's, by contrast, I consider overvalued as they were produced by Suwa Seikosha using the technically inferior 56xx movement which also has an Achilles heel in that it uses a plastic gear in the day/date quickset mechanism that shrinks and eventually cracks due to age. This means that every 56xx Seiko with a date or day/date will eventually have the quickset fail.

The 52xx King Seiko Specials can usually be had for less than the 45xx King Seikos despite being automatics with excellent reliability and no particular vices, and having had adjustment work lavished on them at the factory. That makes them a real bargain in my eyes.

>>59219094
As this stage, in general, quality and maintenance of the particular example in question will probably count for more than the level of factory adjustment between LM Specials with the 5206 or 5216 movements and King Seiko Specials with the 5245, 5246 and 5256 movements.

In general, I would expect any 52xx in good shape that has been recently serviced by a competent watchmaker to be able to be regulated to well under +/- 5s/d, and probably more like /- 2s/d.

Like the ETA 2892-A2, the Rolex 3035 and Omega 56x/75x which were contemporaries of the 52xx, it has very good inherent accuracy as long as it hasn't been run into the ground.

>>59219117
Why is it that Suwa fucked up just about everything they made in one way or another, but all their shit is famous, while Daini had amazingly competent designs and nobody remembers them?

>>59217101
>>59216861
sinn and damasko aren't luxury but "tool watch" brands putting legibility and durability over aesthetics

>>59219257
Suwa Seikosha was more experimental and also came up with the Grand Seiko name and image. To be fair, their more simple caliber designs can be good. The 5740C in the Lord Marvel hi-beats is an excellent, reliable manual winding 36,000 bph caliber capable of outstanding accuracy.

Daini Seikosha, by contrast were more traditional with their movement designs and more austere in their design language. It's only in the last 10-20 years that people outside of Seiko have begun to recognize that Daini was overall the far better movement designer (with the 45xx, 52xx, 68xx, 701x and other brilliant designs to its credit) and its more austere interpretation of the grammar of design holds up really well today stylistically.

Seiko internally recognized it in period, however, as it is not an accident that Suwa now makes printers and electronics while Daini became Seiko Instruments. Hell, if you look at modern Grand Seiko, they are actually almost totally Daini in approach and design language, using very traditional movement designs executed with fanaticism for fine details and a design language that shares much more with Daini's austere take on the grammar of design than with Suwa's more delicate GS designs.

The SBGH001 literally uses the same case shape as the 52KS Special, all these years later.

>>59219431

I forgot to add that this recognition extended to literally resurrecting two of Daini's movement designs essentially unchanged when Seiko began to make high end mechanicals again in the 1990s. The 52xx was brought back as the 4sXX and the 68xx was brought back without bothering to change its movement code. Both were shortly moved up the scale to Credor as they were considered way too nice to be using in regular Seiko models.

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I want it, anons.
But I'm poor.

>>59219585
I want a Seamaster and have plenty of money just sitting there but I really could not justify spending that much on a watch

>>59219617
Why are you here, anon?

>>59219622
My office job is boring most of the time

>>59219640
Yes, but why this specific thread?

>>59219671
Because I really like watches, but at the end of the day, it's just jewelry

>>59219684
So if you don't spend money on things you enjoy, what do you spend money on?

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>>59219712
ryybs and narcs

>>59219712
>So if you don't spend money on things you enjoy
I didn't say that I don't. I just can't convince myself to spend that much money on a single frivolous thing, so it's shitters for me, for now

>>59219733
Don't know what ryybs is, but I'm guessing narcs are narcotics.
Don't know how you justify using money on a few hours of high instead of many years of beautiful jewelry.

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>>59219772
What else are you supposed to do in Oulu?
Everything is fucking depressing

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>>59219733
KALJAA
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>>59219849
Move.

>>59219585
You have excellent taste anon. I love the Milgauss. Shame they're so popular because prices are fucking insane.

>>59218431
Post links

>>59210999
Wtf did you managed to rape a watch?

>>59210999
>crown is broken off
>spring bar is bent

this was a hatefuck wasn't it?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l7xudsBKuY

HE!1!!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111!!11 KEK!! KEK!! KEK!!

WHATA FUCK MAN xD i just fall of my chair cuz i couldnt and i CANT stop laugh xDXDXDXDXDDDDDXXXXXXDDDDDD OMGOSH DDDDDXXXXXDDDDD DDDDDD LOOOOOOOLLLLL FUCKIN HOLY SHITTTT I CANT JUST STOP LAUGHING CAUSE HE HE HE HE HE JUST TO FUNNY MAN!!!1!11!

>>59220392
>i have a little bit of the b-b-bracelet still
>again, totally t-trashed, umm

>>59220392
Wow, that sucks. That's what you get for having kids

>>59220392
Jesus, that sucks. His tearing up and the end kind of got to me.

Especially because he sold all of his other watches except for the shitter.

>>59220495
That's what you get for flipping your ENTIRE collection including a GS to impulse buy a single watch. A shitty Air-King for that matter.

>>59220392
poor guy. I can tell he really treats it as a massive fuck up and soured the hobby for him.

then again that air king was ugly and the world is better it got demolished

>>59220499
>except for the shitter.
come on turtles aren't that bad

>>59220392
Yeesh that fucking blows

>>59219431
>>59219460
Was the 45 caliber a Daini thing? I thought that was a Suwa design. My understanding was that Daini produced the 44 caliber, which my watchmaker describes as "fantastically reliable", whereas he berates the 45 caliber (the cannon pinion and wear issues seem to be far more Suwa in nature than Daini). But other than that, yes, Daini is an amazing company. Every single Daini movement I've brought in to be serviced has impressed my watchmaker- the 701x in particular is "absolutely fucking brilliant". Open them up, and it is clear that while the designs may not have been as experimental, they were nevertheless meticulously thought out.

>>59220686
Written like a canadian

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LOL

>>59220519
we all attempted to consolidate at least once in our watch careers

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>>59220519
>A shitty Air-King for that matter.

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>>59212303
Sup
Also remember to use it when doing science

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Posted this yesterday.
Here it is on wrist.
Not sure about the aviator watch band because the backing pad adds height.
I still have a regular Poljot band with white stitching lying around. Might try that.

>>59220731
>subscription
Good goy

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> not insuring your watches

>>59220686

Yeah, the 45xx is a Daini design. Manual wind 36,000 bph movements is the one case where the Suwa design (the 5740C) is superior.

OUR watchmaker recently worked on a couple of 5740Cs and remarked that he expected them to show accuracy comparable to my 52 King Seiko Special.

My guess is that Daini was so focussed on winning chronometer trials with the design that they placed less of a focus on long term wear considerations.

>>59220916
I like it anon. Chrono work well?

>>59220795
The new air king is kinda lame.

>>59221067
>what colours do you want on your watch?
>just fuck my shit up

>>59221067
The dial has grown on me a bit since last year. Other than that it's just a Milgauss with a clear crystal.

>>59221001
Yep. Runs and resets nicely.

>>59220731
A g shock would have easily survived that

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>>59220795
>>59221067
>cramming the busy dial of a pilots watch in a dateJUST case

who the fuck thought this was a good idea??

>>59221214
And keep better time

>>59220392
I felt bad for him, until he started begging for money.

>>59221338
They're not even lumed, only the triangle at 12.

>>59221397
If you have a 3 year old and you drive a Mazda, I'm not sure luxury watches should be your hobby

>>59221397
if you're out $5000 I'm sure you'll throw that shit there even if there's a .00001% chance someone will help

Did seiko alpinist ebay anon get his watch yet?

>>59220519
He sold a GS to buy an air king? Lol

Would buying a GS get me more pussy than a rolex?

>>59221652
U need a hublot

>>59221652
If you're really that hard up you could take the Rolex money and give bits of it directly to the women. They'll fuck you for it.

Just ask Archie

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>>59221652
P U S S Y M A G N E T

>>59221538
>>59221481
Sure, I can understand the logic of it.
But he still loses my empathy.
He's retarded for buying luxury watches if he's poor.

If your watch costs more than your car you got issues

>>59222036
That's your opinion.
If people prefer a nice watch over a nice car, it's their own choice.
Stop projecting your opinion upon others, as if it was some objective fact, anon.

>>59222086
My opinion is a good one though. If you have a rolex and you're dressed shit and roll up in a shut car you either look like a fake watch pretender or a retard

>>59222036
Nah.

But my car was free
>>59222036

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>>59222036
>If your watch costs more than your car you got issues

Not really. For someone like me who give zero shits about cars, an old Subaru Outback works fine and I have no need to get something nicer as mechanically it runs like a champ.

You could just as well say that someone buying any car above their utilitarian, actual value has "issues" but that's retarded, as people have a natural attraction towards collecting nice things or owning status symbols. Some people like fancy cars, some people collect stamps, or watches, guns, paintings, etc.

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>>59218675
No SARB033 but from them. It came well packaged in the Seiko boxes with instructions etc. I got a vintage leather strap to put it on too.

I recommend them and I may get an Owlpenis from them at some point.

>>59219057
Get a SARB or SARX.

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>>59219585
Just get a quality fake like this shitter chink del boy sent me when I wanted an homage...

>>59222241
Sorry I worded that weird, I bought a leather strap separately. I just read what I put and it could read that they included the strap, they did not.

>>59222208
>dat filename

What's going on here anon?

Best NATO seller on amazon?

> ebay seller keeps saying 3 watch in stock then 2 then back to 3

????

>>59210999

Someone pls post this on WUS and post reactions

>>59222979
you'd just get banned

>>59223207
Then try again

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God tier Seiko lume reporting in.

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>>59222036
My car cost quite a bit more than any of my watches, unfortunately. I miss the days of driving a car that cost less than my watch. Wasn't as worried about a 1993 Saturn SL2 getting scratched, damaged or stolen.

>>59220958
The Suwa design was dead simple though. No hacking or date display. So there is literally nothing to fuck up. I should take my Lord Marvel into our esteemed friend, because it is running about a minute behind every day and I know it can do better than that.

I don't know if it is just me, but I personally do not notice as much of a difference between 36,000 bph and 28,800 bph as I do between the latter and 21,600. Even though the Hi-Beat is cool and I am glad to have one, I question whether or not they are worth the trouble.

New thread where

>>59222036
cars lose money faster than watches do.

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>>59223794

>>59223967
>>59223967

>>59223967
>>59223967

>>59223938
That and even if you had expensive watches, picking up a miata or something for 2k is still fucking fun.