/pcbg/ - PC Building General

https://youtu.be/4ce91YC3Oww
This video was linked from an msi manual. Shouldn't you remove the black plate before sealing the cpu?
Also to assemble the Intel stock fan can you leave the mob on a flat surface or do you need to raise it a bit so the "screws" go over the holes?

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So I finally managed to get this thing to turn on, but the monitor doesn't even register a signal.

Also, the hdd makes six short buzzing sounds every time I turn it on for some reason.

>>59197263
holy fuck, you call that a heatsink?
No fucking wonder they stopped giving them away with everything except the toy editions for cpus

>>59197410
You didn't use enough thermal paste.

>>59197410
How do you fuck up wiring this bad

>>59197410
You should really re-do your wiring. Anyway, your HDD is defective, RMA it.

>>59197435
I had one of those cooling my 3770K for years on stock speeds without issues, it's just not good for overclocking and does what it's supposed to.

Now if someone can answer atleast the black plate thing it would be great, because I'm probably assembling it tomorow

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want to upgrade but dont know what. budget 100, canadianfag here. i do a lot of video editing

>>59198049
>$100 budget
save up more money

>>59198067
ok, well whats the next thing i should upgrade then ill save for it.

>>59198105
i7 3770 in a month or two, or Ryzen but that means CPU+mobo+RAM

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>>59197062
>Building
You're merely ASSEMBLING Chinese components.

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>>59198113
doesnt the 3rd gen use different socket than 2nd gen?

>>59198105
cpu+mobo+ram or gpu. check pic

>>59198144
fuck off you shitposting autist

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>>59198229
your 760 would be about half the performance of a gtx1060 or rx480 and your CPU is at least 25% slower than latest generation i5

>>59198265
for >>59198105

so check some benchmarks for the things you want to run and see if you need a better GPU or CPU first.

>>59197798
What does rma stand for?

>>59198049
>$100 budget
You should upgrade your job

>>59198348
https://www.google.com/search?q=RMA

>>59198229
>doesnt the 3rd gen use different socket than 2nd gen?
No, 1155

what is the difference between ddr4 and ddr3?

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Is it true that rx500 series will be a rebrand ? Shall i get this baby now instead of waiting for 580 ?

>>59198540
hm. i dont think updating his CPU from 2nd gen to 3rd gen would benefit him more than a few %

>>59198579
there's rumors about that. i dont think it would be a good idea to buy that now. it will probably drop in price once 500 series launches or you could get something better for the same price.

>>59198561
+1

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LRpHQV

this ram gonna be compatible tho?

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nice video game consoles you're assembling in this thread :^)

>>59198685
yes but you should look at the cooler compatability and that gtx 980

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A question. Since the 1080 ti is coming out next week, my question is.
Is it worth it to buy it instead of the 1080?
Even in 4 years, will there be a game in which the regular 1080 won't play in ultra? Or is the 1080 TI overkill?

Also. I'm planning to buy a CPU LGA1151 socket.
Is the 6700k too much? I just want to play.

>>59198728
they say it's 35% faster, only you can decide if that's worth the cost

>>59198685
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bGmxNN
This is a great CPU cooler with AM4 compatibility
>980ti
Why would you ? Just get 1080 which will drop to $500 next week, or 1080ti which will be $700.

>>59198741
Well. Would you say the 980 is outdated? Or do you see the time when it will be outdated?

>>59198842
it became outdated when 1070 was released you tard.

>>59198859
Jezz... Looking at the game industry, would you consider the 980 as outdated to run everything in ultra?

Simple question, guys: Is my motherboard compatible with the new Ryzen 7?
current motherboard is an M5A78L-M LX3 (AM3R2) and I'm rocking an old FX-6300

>>59198891
no but if you're buying a new card then there's no need to buy it over 1070, unless it's a cheap used one

>>59198891
depends on your resolution, but it would be fucking retarded to pay more than $300 for old tech when you can get a brand new card with more features and similar performance for $350

>>59198894
Nope, ram won't work with ryzen

>>59198894
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_socket

>>59198712
cooler is already compatible
>>59198811
i own all the parts minus cpu/mobo/ram/ssd

I'm building my PC tomorow,
i'm not planning on fitting a optic drive.

Can i expect Windows to be a good guy again and install the drivers for me or does it have trouble with recent boards (the ones that fit a i7 7700)?
All i want is to install the gpu drivers and then feed my ocd of changing every setting on the control panel ever.

>>59198703
These are personal computers not consoles silly

Just bought these. Did I do good anons?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dhPKM8
:^)

>>59199003
make sure to have ethernet drivers somewhere. I don't think Win10 has Killer Ethernet drivers, at least in my case.

>>59199064
>Wintendo game consoles thinly veiled as personal computers
:^)

>>59198996
then mark them as Purchased instead of putting a retarded price tag on them

>>59199003
you only need network drivers so save them as backup if windows cant detect the NIC, then you go online and download the latest chipset drivers for the motherboard.
windows can get GPU drivers for you if you're a lazy cunt. but you might want to download them manually anyway if you want the extra features.

>>59199096
>i change the definition of words to shitpost on anonymous korean pottery boards
Youre a rad dude

>>59199069
>>59199096
>:^)
fuck off shitposting autists

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/YD4qqs
I'm currently saving up/waiting for the ti's to come out.

>>59199111
lazy

>>59199111
i guess if the ethernet connects them im good, the only thing i update from the windows automated installer are the gpu drivers to the latest, i have no interest in the extra features since i never use them, im also planning on completely ignoring msi afterburner, i'm a defaults man.

So the only way to properly OC a 7700k is to delid it?

Fuck me. They don't sell delidding tools here in Spain.

give me a good gaming pc build for $850. im new to this

>>59199187
Logicalincrements.com
Google.com
Do your research and come back, we are not here to spoon-feed you.

>>59199150
>buying last generation for same price as latest generation
why

>>59199180
no?

>>59199187
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NFdxNN

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>>59199246
3 minutes stress test, stock, running under a h100i with fans @ quiet (sp120s @ 900rpm)

i know, >900 rpm

but it's still under a CLC

this is unbelievable

>>59199284
what test? you realize most of them put unreal stress on the chip that isnt even near real life, right?

>>59199187
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zHhKM8

>>59199187
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kxj6Ps

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>>59199303
AIDA64 Extreme CPU+FPU.

I know this, but that's still the most hardcore stability/performance/temperature stress test.

I have a x62 on the way, hoping it lowers the temperatures even more.

Bought a 6600k and 170A mobo in a last minute austerity push and now wondering if I shouldn't have gone 7600k/270A. CPU and mobo en route.

Thoughts?

>Ryzen
No.

>>59199417
you fucked up, 7th gen and z270 is pretty much the same price

Reminder that R7 is only worth it if you are a content creator (aka none of us). R5 and R3 are the real Ryzen chips worth waiting for.

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How often should I "clean" my PC (just blowing compressed air into the fans) and how often should I CLEAN my PC (actually removing dust from the fan blades manually with Q-tips, etc)?

I actually CLEANED my PC for the first time since I built it around 3 months ago and I was wondering how often I should do both of these things.

>>59199460
Newegg had a deal

>>59199476
depends how much dust you have

>>59199503
how much did you save?

>>59199521
Not enough to prevent asking this question

>>59199589
enjoy buyers remorse then

>>59199634
Things can be returned, bud

>>59199676
then do it

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This is my speccy (sorry for whole guts picture). Should I upgrade to the ryzen line or go for a cheaper i7 combo on newegg? I primarily play games, sometimes streaming to friends. I sometimes record music but that's about all I do in terms of creation. I don't feel like waiting for the new R5 line coming out in a fuckin month (just got a job, waited on upgrading for YEARS)

>>59199961
it takes less than 20 seconds to crop an image...

if that's all you do and dont want to wait, get an kaby lake i5

>>59200095
phoneposting and realized my phone didnt have a cropped image. Kaby lake i5 then? Awesome, thank you anon.

Im planning to get dual 4k for CAD, how does it handle revit and 3ds max viewport?

OK, so now that Ryzen came out, what should I get? Budget is 900€ in Spain. I already made some lists that resumes on an i5 7500/rx480 8GB and then the RAM came up on price, so an average 24000 MHz, I guess.

Is the 1700, 1600, x or non X comparable/better than an i5 7500 for the same price?
I'll make a new list now with updated prices to check my final budget.

>>59200243
If you are looking at the i5 7500, then wait for Ryzen 5 and get a comparable Ryzen chip. The R7 is just for enthusiast level builds.

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I'm using a decade old Asus monitor, to the point that I don't even know the model number other than it was around $150 at the time of purchase and is 1080p.

I'm looking at getting either a 1070 or 1080 in the next 6 months, what should I pick up to pair it with? I've never even seen a 1440p monitor, is it worthwhile to pick up over 1080p? Is it jarring to do non game related things like browsing the internet with the more pixel dense monitor?

I'm basically a pleb. Please advise.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7kfhTH

Put this together for a buddy of mine. What do you guys think? Any glaring flaws?

Note: No actual GPU since he is going to wait and purchase a 1080ti once they are available.

>>59200210
how does what handle that?

>>59200281
this

>>59200285
use speccy to get model number.
if you play fast paced games you want 144hz, but yes with one of those GPUs 1440p is nice either way for all kinds of things.

>>59200281
I thought these already came out.
Also, here, for some reason, the i5-7600K is 15€ more expensive than the i5 7500. Is it worth it? I mean, it would be 15€ difference+a z270 board (20~40€ more) and a non-stok fan, so a whole 40€ more = let's say 100€ more.

About the R5 series, when will they come out? I really need a PC now, my laptop is dying kinda fast.

>>59197062
>GTX1050
garbage, do not buy this over a 470 in any circumstance even if you hate AMD with every fiber in your body

>>59200285
If you want real future proff and won't change that 1070/180 in a long time, then a 1440p 60Hz, but if you don't care and will maybe change the GPU in two years to keep the 144Hz, then one of these. Keep in mind that a TN monitor 60Hz will be like 200$, but a 144Hz IPS will be 600$. Talking about 27 inch.

>>59200331
I mean could it be harder to see a fine line that is almost a pixel wide.

>>59200303
>overpriced mobo, meh cooler, dual SSD and triple drives from the start, meme case, overkill PSU, two kinds of extra fans
full retard/10

>>59200357
no, R7 8core 16 thread came out

>when will R5 come out
Q2

see https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NFdxNN

>>59200410
not in the way you think, no

so now that we finally know the Zen architecture's actual power consumption, I'm starting to doubt we'll see any mITX AM4 boards in 2017, even after Raven Ridge comes out.

My intention is to build a mITX GPU-less PC, and I've been waiting for Raven Ridge for quite a while now due to AMD's superior integrated graphics. Taking this into account, should I keep waiting and hope for AM4 ITX and then get Raven Ridge or should I go Intel? I'd need Iris Pro level of graphics, which sets me back around 440€ (i5-5675C) because I don't think Kaby Lake iGPU can handle what I play in 1080p even in low settings (FIFA, Street Fighter, etc). But for that value I might as well sacrifice space and noise and get a 1050Ti + 7700K or something...ideas?

>>59200357
>I thought these already came out.
No, the R7s came out. The R5s come out in Q2 (anytime between now and June). If you are pressed on your budget, I would say just go for the non-K CPU. And if you are pressed for time, just get a 7500. Though just know that it will be outdated soon as Intel will be coming out with a new mobo chipset soon.

>>59200432
someone speculated ITX boards in autumn but i'd be surprised if they wait that long

>>59200411
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NFdxNN
>change to Spain
>748,21€ without the GPU.
>1000€
>no HDD

Well, I think I'll use the external HDD I already have and try to hardly save 100 eurocoins. I'll look around for these pieces on several stores.

>>59200411
>overpriced mobo
Don't project, poorfriend.

>meh cooler
You have me on this one. Granted, he won't be doing any OCing, so it doesn't matter all that much.

>dual SSD and triple drives
Do you not understand what a RAID array is, or what? Also, I fully expect you to make some meme about "multiple points of failure" or "no real speed increase" or something else like that. Feel free to respond with such.

>meme case
"I don't personally like it, therefore it is objectively bad, despite almost universal praise!"

>overkill PSU
Its called headroom. And considering the price difference is like sub $20, who gives a shit? Once again, stop projecting your poorness onto others.

>two kinds of extra fans
I don't even really have a comeback for this. I mean, I don't know what you're even criticizing. Two different sizes? Two different colors? I don't know, anon. I think at this point you just felt bad because you needed one more thing to "rip on", so you shoehorned the fans in. I think it would have been better to make some >jewvidia meme
or something of the like.

Anyway, cool. I've been on this board long enough (almost 3 weeks! xD) to know that memeing in lieu of the presence of functional criticism is actually a begrudgingly given endorsement. Thanks for your post! I'll go ahead and give him the greenlight.

>>59197062
Rx 480
i5 6500
16gb ram

what more info you want?

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>>59200536
so many implications and assumptions ill just reply to one of your retarded "points"

>dont project, poorfriend
found the applefag

now fuck off back to whatever place you came from, faggot

>>59200652
>dislike apple products
>recognize their merits to many people
>have a well paying job, and enjoying a sweet sweet DINK lifestyle
>am actively building a new pc
>pc
>personal computer
>not apple product

>"found the applefag"

Sheesh! Its sad that you couldn't even respond to the points about the build itself. When you make a retarded comment like "2muchmonay", and I respond with "not2much4me", you resort to making projections about my alleged "love of applel products"?

I don't know, anon. I think you are just feeling a little insecure about one thing or another, but there is no reason to bring that nonsense here. This is a cordial general thread, and maybe you should go post in another one? I hear >>>/ptg/ and >>>/csg/ are open to people ripping on each other's opinions and what not.

Maybe its time for a life change?

So I built my desktop in the summer of 2012. Its current specs are:
CPU: i5 4570k
Mobo: Asus P8Z77-V
GPU: Nvidia 670
PSU: Some 1000W, modular, gold
RAM: 8GB DDR3
HDD/SSD: 2 Seagate 1TB, 7200RPM and a new Sandisk Ultra II.

Might be a dumb question but I want to upgrade my GPU and CPU. Has the technology changed enough in the last 5 years to warrant me getting a new MOBO/PSU as well?
Basically should I do a new build or just keep Frankenstein-ing my current one?

>>59200737
Your CPU is already faster than a new $500 Ryzen CPU.

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>>59200407
Is IPS worth the premium? Is the response time actually noticeable? Are there recommended monitors in each price bracket somewhere?

>>59200331
Is it significantly prettier, as far as games go? I'm really neurotic about frames dropping below 60 ever, and as stupid as it is, find the fact that a 1080 would never drop below 60 on anything modern appealing, even if it's clearly overkill.

I'm willing to step up to 1440p, but wouldn't want to unless it was a noticeable improvement.

>>59200816
Response time is less noticable than you might think, still I prefer sub 3ms. As for IPS, yes it makes a huge difference.

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I keep getting conflicting messages about what "bottlenecking" will actually do, and how much it's worth worrying about. I've got 4670K and am looking to upgrade my GPU from a 290 to a 1080, and everyone gives different answers.

>any modern i5 is the max you'll ever need
>the 4670K will cut about 20% of the performance off that card
>you need a 7700K if you really want to drive the card completely
>various conflicting videos showing 10-15 FPS difference in some spots and nothing in another
>etc

I'm honestly not sure what to do. Upgrading the 4670K would require a lot more money, as I'd need to upgrade the motherboard and I think the RAM as well.

Is there a straightforward answer to this?

>>59200737
>>59200799
Sorry, I meant 3570k

Can I run 3200 ram on this mobo? Ive heard overclocking can run faster ram speeds than listed on pc part picker
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/C4s8TW/asus-motherboard-sabertoothz170s

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wanting a little upgrade here

Mostly 500PSU 80plus and I guess a CPU to OC with my motherboard. I do not want a need mobo skylake etc due to not wanting to spend money and needing

What would be the best CPU route?

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Im currently on a FX 4300 and need to upgrade badly.

I mainly need it for gaming.

Games I play are H1Z1, CS:GO and ARMA.

I understand ARMA is quite CPU intensive, but what is the best price/performance ratio, I dont mind switching from AMD to Intel.

Just look for the best price really for my needs.

i was told yesterday to get a Intel G4560 but is that really enough for my needs.

thanks

>>59200728
Whats dink

I will be buying my system in May and I want to know if I should just get an i5-6500 (since there is no discernible difference between that and a 7500 as far as I can tell) or if R5 will be out by then. And if it is, should I buy it?

>>59200891
Thanks anon, do you have any recommendation for a quality 1440p 60Hz IPS monitor? Should I expect to sell my left kidney for one?

>>59201296
The best CPU available on Z97 is 4790k, but how do you expect us to tell you which is the best for you if we don't know what you intend to use your computer for ?
Playing video games ?
Playing and streaming video games ?
Watching netflix ?
Video editing ?
What ?

>>59201395
Honestly I really don't. I've only had the liberty to using an IPS monitor only a few times before, but I found them much more enjoyable to use.

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>>59200728

Is there a site where i can virtually build a pc to see how everything looks?

>>59201395
Dell U2515H or U2715H. 25" or 27", pick your poison.

>>59201295
Bumpin this question

>>59201464
No. At best you might be able to find the parts you want as models for Google Sketchup or similar.

>>59201295
>>59201483
yes but might underclock it to 2400mhz

>>59201464

if you watch this video, the guy states a website where he sketched up his build and he states there are other cases which can be used. I have never used it.

https://youtu.be/pz8dOSnD5zo?t=474

>>59201416
>4790k
mild gaming. Fb netflix videos etc

also sort of rather get an i5 . what is the i5 of choice for that gen?

I only play diablo 3 right now

I can get a reconditioned module of 16GB 2400Mhz for 76€ but it's CL14 PC4-17000. A brand new 16GB 2400MHz CL16 PC4-21300 would be 109€.
Is it woorth it to save 30€?

Is watercooling a GPU/CPU worth the hassle?

Also I am not confidant in my ability to install it myself. If I were to do this, who is trustworthy enough to install it?

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>>59201416
So, I guess this would be the CPU of choice for my needs

Intel Core i5-4690K
man, really not sure if the upgrade is worth dropping $200+ with current setup and purpose

I'm looking for a 1060 6GB. This one is cheap and has a decent review: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/95545-inno3d-geforce-gtx-1060-ichill-x3/
It comes with 3 year warranty. Should I get it?

>>59201695
>>59201727
4670k or 4690k, for all intents and purposes these are the same CPU. Only difference are 100 MHz stock, and I think 4670k doesn't support VT-d which you won't use anyway.
Go with whichever you find cheaper.

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>>59201710

dont pay anyone to do it, you can do it

I learnt to build a PC 2 months ago from youtube videos, and I did a basic watercooling, nothing fancy 2 weeks ago, and i saved a bunch.

you can do it anon.

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>>59201469
>$120 difference for 2 inches

That seems significant, is there something else in the specifications I'm missing? It says it has a "fast" mode with a 6ms response time, what all does that alternate mode entail.

Apparently I'm coming from a 2ms response time monitor, looking up the model number. Is that a noticeable increase for something like Dota?

Sorry for all the minor questions, I'm very new at this.

>>59201795
Doesn't the 4690k run a little bit cooler? I thought there was something wrong with that version of Haswell that they fixed in a refresh, but maybe I'm just spouting nonsense

>>59201820
Wow that looks very nice anon.
What CPU/temps do you get with it?

>>59201795
What would be the safest OC limit with lets say 430-500 PSU and 5 stock fans including GPU

I have never over clocked before so not sure if I would need a better CPU cooler or not with the build. Like I said. I'm not a huge gamer and such

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>>59201820
>that
>basic watercooling

That looks incredibly intimidating. I built my own, but I'm afraid to even dust it or add a new harddrive out of fear of breaking something.

I know it's not that bad when you actually start, but it's terrifying to me to mess around with hundreds of dollars worth of computer equipment

>>59201706
70,90€ vs 109€ exactly. I need to know. Also, I said it wrong:
16GB 2133 CL14 PC4-17000 70,90€ (FuryX).
16GB 2400 CL16 PC4-21330 109€ (Avexir Core).

worth these 38,10€?

>>59197062
I want to play video games.
Should I just stick with the 7700k?

>>59201874

what kind of cooler and power supply do you have

>>59201828
I don't know, look up some reviews if you want details on that.
I hear that the U2515H has better colour reproduction despite being the smaller/cheaper of the two, though.

>>59201851
Dunno about that, I own a 4690k and temperatures aren't exactly impressive despite my 4cm thick 360mm radiator.
Intel uses god awful thermal paste between the CPU die and IHS (not on enthusiast chips though), so it probably doesn't matter too much. If you want good temperatures on any of Intel's consumer tier chips, you need to delid them.

>>59201874
Probably as high as you can take it, really.
My system consists of a 4690k at 4.7 GHz, GTX 960 at 1.5 GHz, 16 GB DDR3 at ~1900 MHz CL10, an SSD, and a stack of HDDs, and I've seen it pulling a maximum of around 350 watts from the wall while playing cpu intensive video games. It all draws less power than you might expect.

>>59201901
Get over that fear. Really. Hardware isn't very fragile so long as you don't literally throw it around like a gorilla or mash things into places they don't fit.

>>59201866

pretty good, Idle or just browsing the web its around 26C and under load, playing games no more than 40C.

>>59201901

its really not, i guess its easier for me maybe cause of the case, even if i get a leak most of my components wont have any problems. Since my GPU is a bit ahead, so if the CPU fitting leaked it would at most mess up my motherboard.

The reservoir and radiator are out of the way.

Just watch some videos.

Here watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR9jEczwCZ4

All i watched to do my loop

any ryzen cucks have their stuff ship yet? im still waiting on mine to ship from amazon so im not sure if im gonna get back-ordered

>>59202066
>if the CPU fitting leaked it would at most mess up my motherboard
Which could, in turn, wreck anything connected to the motherboard.
It's not quite as likely as if, say, you were to fry your PSU, but liquid damage on the motherboard can kill anything that the motherboard feeds electricity into along with the motherboard.

Not saying you should suddenly be more scared of a leak happening, I'm sure you've leak tested it properly and all, but make no mistake: An accident could still fuck your components up just as well.

>>59198049

you could try getting another 8gb ram of exactly the same model and make a ramdisk

>>59198561

lower voltage, increased transfer rates (extremely marginal compared to DDR3)

main reason is fixed row hammer vulnerabilities (security privilege exploit) that are only fixed on DDR3 modules made post 2015ish

>>59199284

Ambient temps are fine, the h100i isn't that good because the baseline cooling isn't as dynamic as the temp jumps (watercooling meme) you're fine but that test is the worst, just monitor your usage with hwinfo over a day to see your max

>>59199417

Return the 6600k and 170 mobo get 7600k / asus z270a

How okay is this? My first time making one and I'm open to suggestions. Want to stick to this price range though.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kR78m8

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can any nonshills tell me the verdict on Ryzen?

>>59202637
Forgot to mention it's basically for video games.

Doing 7700k + Z270 MOBO and waiting for 1070 price drop is the smart thing to do now that ryzen turned out meh?

>>59202793
Ryzen makes Intel CPUs cheaper for you.

Okay I could possibly end up paying £200 for a Ryzen 1700, should i do it?

I have a £30 voucher for a certain retail store which is selling 1700 for £320

if I sell my existing CPU, 4300 for like £40?

I already have water cooling loop So i dont need the RGB Wraith cooler, how much can that sell for?, Im thinking £50?

Should i?

>>59203009
Ryzen isn't meh, it's really good value. It just stumbles some in vidya because games value 4 core non multithreading preformance over the hyperthreading 12 core preformance that R7 has.
>>59202793
Really good value compared to the i7 CPUs but isn't that good on games. R5s will perform better due to less cores and other factors.

>>59202793
15% slower in games than the 7700k, but much faster in productivity and multitasking workloads.

>>59198609
He has an i5 now, and of course for editing an i7 will be significantly better, which is why I suggested the 3770. Stop posting, retard.

>>59198579
Yes

>>59198561
Speed, bandwidth

>>59198685
Check mobo info or call mobo manufacturer. If you don't already have the other parts, like 980Ti, rethink.

>>59198728
Expensive gfx cards are only for high res, dummy.

>>59199187
Read the OP retard

>>59200285
1440p 144Hz

>>59203184
I don't think you know what you're talking about

>>59203009
Meh

>>59202637
You in Canada or something? The 1070 is going to be 300USD soon

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>>59197062
>>59203009

Ryzen is good, it's the intel shills that are countershilling and nitpicking aka showing power consumption without taking in account price or total perf, aka showing an 8 core vs a 4 core, it's very illogical if you know because it's comparing apples to oranges as if all CPUs were equal in form and usage. If you don't plan anything for productivity, just stick with a 4 core 7600k because the perf increase of a 7700k is still too marginal but nice to have in terms of maxing out the i7, but if you want practically the more or less same perf for gaming, have an open horizon for multithreaded processing and feel adventurous get the ryzen, the rest is just marketing and brand loyalty skirmishes.


Also if you're gaming in 1080p, 1070 should be fine, 1440p 1080 but really really the 1080ti is really good, most people have no idea how good the titan xp benches and they're fantastic (the overclocked results never really reached the general public too busy with 1080 and oh muh over 1k$ I'm not worth enough to look at it)

Note 1080Ti will perform higher than XP overclocked

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you guys never critiqued my build last time :(

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/scattass/saved/#view=76M6hM

>>59203672

We can't see ur saved part list, just screenshot it and post

>>59203580
US and yeah I heard about that. Gonna wait for the price drop.

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>>59203705

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got a 7700k for a steal, I already own a RX470 8GB, got my peripherals, HD's, etc etc. The question for me is: What model of motherboard should I buy? I'm looking at DDR4-2133, but will the lower memory speed bottleneck my 7700? I already know im bottlenecked by my 470 and I'm giving it to a family member, and getting a new card soon.

I'm looking to get 144fps at 1080p (or at least solid high fps. Currently still on a 7950). Should I pull the trigger on a 1070 or is it worth waiting to see what Vega's like?

>>59203775
For a complete feature set and low price, I went with the Z270 MSI SLI Plus

very happy with it so far

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>>59203749

960 pro is quite OP, you'd be fine with an 850 instead, follow this build guideline

mobo and get better psu (the evga here is seasonic)

and get Arctic Cooling MX-4 as thermal paste instead

>>59203802

Not sure how much the 1070 is but try getting a 1080 which may go even lower once vega is out (probably before summer), either way 1080 will max out anything at 144fps and that's still nitpicking as 1070 will be up for the task, it's just really completely maxing with a margin 1080 is your pick

>>59203910
I can get a 1070 for £400, but 1080s are around £650. Is it really worth the extra money?

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Planning to buy this like.. now

https://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/10234980/

Thoughts?

>>59203943

The 1080 price dropped to $499 yesterday so check again when prices are updated I'd presume, otherwise check with other retailers and have them check the official prices (amazon, nvidia website) once 1080ti is released

I did then when buying my TV, the stores all showed different prices and when you show Amazon on your smartphone the shop usually can't justify why they sell at a higher price (obv import taxes and shipping need to be taken in account, but not 50% higher right)

>>59199284
I have a h100 and had to reseat it 3-4 times till i got the 71 degrees on the hottest core under OCCT. (that was on a thermal reactor of a q6600 @ 3.6 @ 1.5 Vcore - dont ask.)

TL:DR - reseat it.

>>59203977

Change the RAM which meh tier to Kingston Savage 2666mhz

Change the PSU to Seasonic X if available or Platinum, or EVGA P2 (not usually outside the US)

Seriously psu is very important if not the most for clean power, so get a gold certification minimum and check on johnnyguru. rest is fine

>>59203977
>>59204029

or gskill ripjaws minimum if kingston isnt available, CL14-15ish

>>59203805
Looks like my next purchase. I was having trouble justifying buying a $300+ motherboard. thanks

>>59203977

btw get the asus x370 prime, you probably cant overclock on the b350, if you don't plan to overclock get the 1700 but that's being a cuck, the x370 prime is quite affordable if not the same price

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How's my 1000 dollar build? just ordered the last bits this morning.

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Cheap CPU for CS:GO, H1Z1 and ARMA 3 please?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AVZ_x64hg4

alright /g/, i'm planning on building something mostly oriented for video editing, with a little bit of vidya and streaming on the side. i was originally gonna go for the i7 7700k kaby lake, but Ryzen was just announced and the price point looks pretty attractive. i want to keep the overall cost under 1000€ and i will not be playing any particularly performance-heavy games, so i'm looking at a GTX 1050Ti for the GPU. I'm also looking at a 2TB hard drive for storing content, and a 256GB SSD for system+video software.


in your opinion what would be the more valuable cpu in that instance? Is there anything else i overlooked or need to consider?

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Where do the extreme overclockers hang out now days? Used to be on XtremeSystems, but that place is basically a ghost town now.

>>59204029
That ram isnt avalible, and most of it is sold out. What's wrong with those I picked?

Neither of those PSUs are avalible but I can look around.

>>59204123
That's 50€ more and not in stock, why shouldnt I be able to overclock on that?

Im planning to maybe try OC, but I dont mind running it stock at all seeing how it'd just be 1-200mhz

>>59203749
Need Z270

>>59203802
1070 is fine especially after price drop

>>59204157
i5 7500

Is there any reason not to use an m.2 nvme ssd as a boot drive?

Like, if you ignore the price over a regular SSD, are there any other downsides?

>>59204029
>Seriously psu is very important
>>59204238

also I dont care much about efficeiency, I just dont want my PSU to take my whole PC with it when it dies.

>>59204216
i should mention i'm also going for 8MB of RAM (don't see myself needing more for now) and as for the mobo, B350 if i'm going for the Ryzen 1700, not sure about what would be best with an i7 7700k.

Looking to buy a monitor. I just bought a rig with a 1080 graphics card and an i7 processor. If I don't get a 144hz/ 1440 resolution will my rig be wasted? Or will 1080p do just fine?

>>59204436
yeah not much point with that 1080 when a 1070 or even 1060 maxes everything at 1080p.

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Shit. My laptops not reading my ssd I don't think.
I turn it on a rn it takes me to the bios and and when see what's bootable it only detects the cd rom but that's it, not even the ssd itself.
I connected the ssd to another laptop via USB SATA cable and it's not accessible, but I can still clone it again as it's detectable through different cloning softwares.
Fuck. Should I just return this ssd as faulty? Haven't even been a week since I cloned and used the first time

>>59204545
Cool thanks bro. Know of any good monitors then? Based on my research I'm expecting to spend $500 at the very least

So i want a really good PC for some time forwords, that i will be able to upgrade and such
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Lx2br7
so would this be a good start?

>>59204625
SLI kind of really sucks, dont expect much improvement from it. 2x 1080 is a massive money sink.

What resolution are you planning to game on? If you just want to "future proof", let me stop you because it's not a good idea. You'll save money AND have better performance by upgrading more often for more mid range parts.

>>59204625
I would STRONGLY advise against getting 2 1080s.

consider a) getting a single 1080ti when they're out soon

b) video cards are the easiest thing to upgrade short of maybe the ram. you're going to have a better time taking $700 and upgrading it every generation, than sinking $1400 initially to get 2.

If you absolutely want to SLI because it looks cool, stick with the 1080s, just prepare to be disappointed with multi-gpu in general.

Also,
>optical drive
what year is it? get an external if you absolutely need one. don't waste space on that shit.

WHEN
WILL
1070
PRICES
DROP

>>59204330

look at other x370 boards instead, it's like the B series board is really meant for workstations

Corsair Vengeance LPXDDR4-3200 (XMP) 16-18-18-36
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-2666 (XMP) 15-17-17-35
G.Skill Ripjaws 4 16GB DDR4-3000 (XMP) 15-15-15-35 (2T)

if you can, try getting gskill look in other stores and they're lower priced than corsair usually

re psu it's not efficiency in itself, it's getting a gold star rating not for power saving but extend the lifetime of your components while being more stable esp. with chips like 8 core chips that now show to draw power, you would really need an 80 gold star psu

hey u fagets, which SSD in the 120-250gb range?

>>59204330
One of the best investments you can make in a computer is a highly rated PSU that is complete overkill for your machine.

The extra $100 is easily worth it if you ever have problems, and not because it could take your PC with you, just because PSU issues are a FUCKING NIGHTMARE to diagnose. Highly rated PSU that is never stressed is going to drastically reduce the chances of it screwing up. It's basically like an insurance policy.

My motherboard (Asus P8Z77-V LK) is having trouble recognizing new (laptop) hard drives for some reason.

I got a new SSD to use as my boot drive and no matter what I try the damn thing just won't see it. I've tried different SATA cables, different ports, nothing. Tried another laptop drive and that won't work either, meanwhile my plain old desktop drives are still fine. Neither drive is faulty because I can hook them up with a sata to usb connector just fine, but hooked up to the motherboard they don't do shit. I've tried updating the bios, clearing CMOS, hasn't helped. Should mention that neither my current OS in its disk manager or the one I'm trying to install in setup detects them either.

>>59204600

Asus VS278Q-P 27"

If I'm buying my CPU, GPU, PSU, and mobo in May, which should I get?

>>59204600
>>59204954

ffs get the PB277Q instead

>>59205026

what's your total budget and screen resolution

>>59205086
24", $1000 to $1200 budget

>>59204827
I heard on Sunday but could be wrong.

>>59204827
US
BROKE
FAGGOTS
HAVE
TO
BUY
THE
1060
6GB

>>59205143
>not buying the RX 480
It's like you're stupid or something.

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>>59205141
24" isn't a resolution

>>59204914
Ha ha, okay, I'm the world's biggest dumbass.

Somehow I got it into my head that laptop hard drives don't need to be hooked up to power like desktop ones do and didn't have them plugged into my PSU, because somehow I thought that they got power through the SATA connection, or something dumb like that.

Feel like killing myself now desu since I wasted the better part of a day messing around but at least they're working now.

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Is G-Sync worth the extreme premium it commands? Most people I've heard that got it love it, but it seems to nearly double the price of a decent monitor

is water cooling a meme?

>>59205172
Woops, sorry I'm a retard. Resolution is 1080p (so 1920x1080)

>>59205165
I spent weeks deciding which one to buy but I found a 1060 for $200

Is 1070 really enough for 144fps 1080p, or will I regret it in a couple of months when Vega comes out?

>>59205230
That's basically the bottom line though. Get whichever is cheaper. The midrange AMD cards usually age better than the Nvidia ones though.

>>59205184
Custom loops: Not really if done well
Sealed all in one kits: Yes, a decent air cooler is a better investment

>>59205282
I basically needed anything that wasn't my 750ti. It was a desperation upgrade

what's the ideal speed for ddr4 ram? cant find a mb that fits a ryzen and ddr4-4266

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>>59197062

The price is in CAD, in USA it should cost around $688.21

>>59205141
>>59204152

see

>>59203858

just without the monitor and you can change 850 pro to evo (pro is really worth it, esp. 256gb model)

check if 1070 price drops and it should, this prior to 1080ti announcement, release is next week but overall the extra 100 bucks will be worth it if you follow the build

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>>59205184

Basically what this anon said.

>>59205303

Full custom loops are a little expensive to get set up, and definitely require more research and effort. Once they're set up, they're great.

Pic related is temperature data under load from a benchmark. I let it run for an hour, turned it off until temps came down close to idle temps, then fired it back up.

6700K @ 4.6GHz and 1080 @ 2025MHz.

What fucking X370 motherboard should I get?

I like the idea of the crosshair VI's built in water cooling. But is it really necessary for nearly $100 more than the AsRock Taichi?

>>59205368

Asus x370 prime, try getting 3200mhz look for gskill ripjaws V or trident Z or kingston savage or higher and 16GB not less. But 2666mhz is perfectly fine, look for kingston savage, even the 2400mhz just make sure you get CL15 or lower, it's usually on the model name

mem prices are really prohibitive I'm still on ddr3 bought the dip when ddr4 came out

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>>59205616

Fuck, attached wrong image.

>>59205618

Nah the crosshair doesn't have built in watercooling, the premium is for Wifi/Bluetooth and audio

Get Asus x370 prime seriously it's the best board for the buck, esp. how ryzen consumes so far you'd better get an asus board, RAM would always be oc-able to 3200mhz AND you can overclock everything with just a click in the UEFI Bios which is the best on the market. Crosshair is more or less identical but with the gaming tax. Just make sure the network NIC is Intel

>>59205674
i mean the built in water cooling accessories. the water block and leak detection shit. I was editing that sentence, looked away for 30 seconds halfway through, and hit post

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fucking ship already holy shit
I preordered as soon as it was available

>>59205691

also if you want better audio (this is again relative) just get a fiio e10k or xonar dx with uni xonar drivers and HD598SE or a xonar dx with uni xonar drivers - this would only be 200 bucks or so

Usually onboard Asus audio would be quite good but it's an upgrade esp. given the power draw, I'd say getting audio on top of the x370 prime is worth it, I know the xonar dx offloads the audio processing to the sound card so there

>>59205741
I actually have a claro halo with the uni xonar drivers. but that's a legacy pci card so i'm going to have a hard time fitting that bitch in regardless.

>>59205691

If you're planning on using the onboard fan / pump control then the ASUS cooling features on the higher end boards will probably be pretty useful for you.

When I bought my Z170 I went with the Ranger and invested the difference into an Aquaero.

>>59205622
>A recent benchmark from Anandtech showed that the performance difference between RAM at speeds of 2133 and 3200 was zero to 5 percent, depending on the application.
kek. what a jewing. however, I think I will go with
>Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3600 Memory
price is ok for 32 gb and speed and latency is pretty nice.

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>>59197062
I'm building a pc for the first time

I'm read all the instructions and even took apart and rebuilt a friend's pc for practice

Is it okay to have the heatsink on the cpu this way?

I'm using a phanteks enthoo and for what ever reason it will not install because the pipes are huge with corsair facing normally

>>59205888
For example
I did all the steps but suddenly I noticed this will not install properly, at all.

The tubes are so huge
My friend has a coolermaster and the tubes are pretty small but it all fits

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>>59205937
Forgot pic

>>59199180
Set CPU core voltage to 1.35 and set multiplier to 50.
Then work on slowly lowering the voltage to the lowest stable.
Just make sure you've got at least a H60 comparable water cooler or better to keep temps down. Mine stays under 40°C at full load

Retard at computers, but I have just a quick question. Planning on upgrading gpu to radeon 480 from 200 series, should i worry about if it will fit my motherboard?

>>59205888
Yes that's fine, orient it however you want.

>>59205888
Heatsinks work by being in close contact, under pressure, with the cpu.

As long as you've accomplished that, you're good.

>>59205888
So I tested out the top and it seems like I can install it with the fan and radiator top

Is that okay? I'm nervous

>>59206086
>>59206086
Alright and is the top fine too? It looks like that would be the easiest route

>>59206145
As long as the fans can push air through the radiator fins it's fine. This shit isn't rocket science.

>>59206194
It's feel like I'm playing with expensive nukes

Will the price drop on the nvidia cards be immediate when the 1080ti launches or will everyone have to catch up?

>>59206225

>It feels like I'm playing with expensive nukes

That's what she said.

>>59206301

Ask shops to update their prices, show your smartphone amazon prices or nvidia

>>59206383
>Ask shops to update their prices
I can't exactly tell newegg to change update their prices

>>59206482

Well the 1080 was confirmed at 499 yesterday, price update should be on release which is march 8th. Not sure about the 1070 but it should also one. Give it until summer, just check it worst case scenario just send em an email or something

no point in paying full price and higher than nvidia store prices unless you pay a reasonable premium for the import and shipping that physical stores charge.

>>59201820
how do you get your graphics card so far from the motherboard like that?

>>59201820
How do you keep the milk from curdling?

>>59205720
never preorder anything
not hardware, not games, not anything
you'll always be disappointed

In the ends we all won

AMD is closing in on the gap
And jewtel cut their prices

>>59206578
>>59201820

pcie extension cables, just rice. Also turn on EMI spread spectrum in your motherboards if you don't want to got non FCC compliant bursts and neuter your balls, keep your PC at least 1 meter from you and away from your balls and above ground if you want to have children someday. Electro magnetic fields

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>>59205180
please respond

>>59206617
I still think the 1700 is a good buy and I plan on getting it

>>59206758

I'm wondering the same thing myself. I got a 1080 a couple of months ago and I need to get a new monitor, but Gsync definitely commands a premium. Nvidia and their proprietary bullshit.

>>59206797

Sure it has a 65W TDP vs 95W on the X, look into getting a B350 board and if it's compatible. What he meant is that preordering gives an advantage to the seller not always at the best price, it's revenue generation for the companies to get more credit for operating margins. the 1700 and Asus x370 prime board are currently sold less than the price he paid

>>59205180
>>59206758
>>59206858

GSYNC isn't absolutely worth it, in fact you can get the same performance with freesync which is cross compatible and even on a monitor without freesync at say 75hz or 120hz you can get GSYNC performance with Fast Sync which is available on all GPUs. You would have under control panel: vsync, adaptive sync and fast sync. Combine that with power mode: adaptive usually the gpu would scale to your monitor to avoid rendering frames that aren't needed or just max performance and cap the framerate using msi afterburner in riva tuner

What's important is latency (5ms or less if it really matters) and the quality of your cables (amazon basics style tier and price don't pay more), usually get 6ft or less and cross compatible hdmi 2.0 for higher resolutions and hdr memes or dp to optimize the bandwidth

>>59205560
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y2H8m8

Just made a test list using the build you outlined. How does this look? Anything I should fix/add

>>59206981
The 1700 is still 329 but its strange that the board is already 10 dollars off despite being sold out on amazon
was planning on the b350 board, just waiting for me to stop being a wussy about spending money

>>59206062
You should be fine, all gpus are virtually the same in shape and size.

Thinking of upgrading my PC to 16gb of RAM from 8. I only really use it for gaming, would it make a noticeable difference?

will 4gb be enough for a mining rig with 6gpu? I plan on trying to use windows since it's easier for setup and configuring the GPU, even though linux has less overhead. mining differences are marginal these days anyway

>>59197062
>mini is smaller than micro
TRIGGERED

>>59207011

Perfect, just change the RAM because those Corsairs are CAS 16 at 2400Mhz, you can get these ones for much better performance:

G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (PC4-19200) Cas Latency 15 Timing 15-15-15-35 $109.99
G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory PC4-25600 16-18-18-38 $119.88

I'd recommend the DDR4-3200 other than that you're all set gl awesome build enjoy

>>59207033
>>59207273

btw you'd need thermal paste, arctic silver 5 or MX 4 (better than the oem for a few bucks)

and throw in a case fan or two, like the corsair SP120 high performance or u can use your previous ones

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Not going to bother >>>ing everyone but:
Reminder that the R7 1700 is the same cost as the 7600k since motherboards are cheaper and it comes with a decenter cooler. It actually ends up being reasonable for midrange builds.

i5-7600k $240
Cooler $30
Z270 motherboard $140
$410

R7 1700 $320
Cooler $0
B350 motherboard $90
$410

I don't know why you'd go for a 7600k, 7500, or whatever. It's so cheap to just get Ryzen instead. It's not as fast in some games, but many of them are getting patched and some of the skewed numbers in benches are from BIOS/UEFI having issues.
The 7700k remains a good buy for $100 more, though.

>>59207347

I'll agree but the general consensus is that a 4 core is beter for gaming vs the 8 core on scaling and power unless you're like taking the bet for the added performance it's much less risky to use the 7600k on a standard gaming build, I'll be first to laud the R7 1700 however that said the 1600x would be probably better and that's not really the debate some ppl just want a standard build without being an experiment again I'm not downgrading the merits ryzen but you know, as the platform and offerings mature and standardize I'm aware AMD needs revenue but it's for the more adventerous type like building an 8 core build as a first setup just match it. If anyone feels like doing video editing at any point get the ryzen (decent 4K cameras cost alot, not mentioning the storage space required to perform something like that, then you'd consider pcie and nvme storage)

>>59206981

Wait a second, freesync is cross compatible with gsync? So my 1080 can do freesync with a freesync monitor?

I didn't think that was the case.

>>59207448
I don't completely disagree, but then why not just get an i3-7350K if that's the thinking? It's $160 so you save another $80 over the 7600k there.
2 cores 4 threads. It's enough for most games... except then you look at BF1 and such. 4 real cores is starting to basically be a minimum requirement to run a game well.
I'm saying at the same price, the 1700 is super attractive. You lose a few frames in some games, but you gain much better multitasking performance, you can stream at higher quality, and *what if* games coming up like Star Citizen and Oxide's next game really do use 16 threads well like they say they will?
We're at the point where 4 real cores, not just threads, is becoming a minimum.

And a ton of reviewers noted that the Ryzen often had better minimum framerates even though averages were lower, and that the 7700k would stutter even in games like GTA V that it beat the Ryzen hard in on averages while the Ryzen was smooth and stutter free on every title.

And finally: AM4 is sticking around until 2020+, so you have a cheaper upgrade path. Ryzen is just the first generation of this new arch and it could improve a ton with the next generation. Intel is changing sockets again later this year.

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>>59207347
Is the 7700K a worthwhile step up over the 7600K for gaming purposes?

I just wanted to upgrade my 290 to a 1080, and then started looking at a new CPU, which requires a new mobo, which requires new RAM, and on and on. I'm not sure if I'm overthinking it and would appreciate someone putting my head on straight.

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>>59207570
> Intel is changing sockets again later this year.

Someone needs to teach intel the difference between socks and sockets.

>>59207585

not really, the 7700K adds hyperthreading which should usually be disabled in games for better performance (or exactly the same best case scenario). Getting the best i7 adds more headroom and you get a better chip, it's a step up which is nice to have and slightly more future proofing but sometimes not worth the premium

>>59207483

freesync and gsync are properiatry to amd and nvidia, they aren't cross compatible

G-SYNC / FreeSync - Syncs refresh rate to frame rate (no tearing, minor input lag) if maximum refresh rate is hit, GSYNC will no longer be functioning so then input lag may be encountered if VSYNC is enabled, input lag will not be encountered if V-SYNC is disabled but tearing will be.

FAST SYNC - De-coupled rendering and monitor refresh. VSYNC OFF but the monitor will only render completely rendered frames, thus eliminating tearing (MINOR input lag but NO TEARING! ) also it is monitor agnostic so it will work with any screen. It is analogous to hardware triple buffering but does not back-pressure the render pipeline.

So if you have a good GPU maxing the refresh rate of your monitor, using fast sync helps immensly and you can combine with msi afterburner / riva tuner to cap your frame rate, usually just 1 frame above your refresh rate with max frames set to 1, the performance is very similar to buying in proprietary tech. If you're really adamant on getting like gsync/freesync then you'd have to buy in the tax and coupling

>>59207347
>I don't know why you'd go for a 7600k
Muh gaymen. 7600K is still better for games than the 1700, which is probably important for 90% of people here.

>>59207570
>Intel is changing sockets again later this year.
Says literally nobody.
Coffee Lake is another skylake refresh, adding a couple more cores doesn't require a new socket.

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>>59207347
Largely I'm going ryzen this time around because of trying to get intel down from it's shady as fuck practices. Not to say AMD is any better, but I already don't buy from some companies for mostly the same reasons

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>>59207675
Sorry for being an idiot, but is fast sync a monitor feature? Would I need to ensure whatever monitor I upgrade to had it enabled?

I'm trying to pick up a 1440p monitor to drive a 1080 soon, and if I can avoid the $200 premium for G-Sync, I will

also
>hyperthreading which should usually be disabled in games for better performance
Is this disabled by default in the games it's detrimental to? What makes it make a game run potentially worse?

>>59207675
But freesync is literally Free. Nvidia could use it if they wanted.

>>59207769
>>59207868

IKR but fast sync is really good and it works with all monitors, no screen tearing and no input lag, it's totally not vsync. Below 500

PB277Q 75hz 1ms more for gaymen

IPS choices:

PB278Q
PB258Q

or if you don't mind getting a 24 inch screen, Dell 1440p gsync at like 400 bucks:

S2417DG

but get 27 inch for 1440p imo

Trying to replace some bargain bin accessories (mouse, keyboard) with nicer stuff, anything recommended that's also reasonably quiet? I tend to have very heavy keystrokes and clicks, makes video calls and such a mess

>>59207585
People say no, but yes, it is.
There are a number of optimzations that use hyperthreading in games.
It's hard to tell from benchmarks because both of them generally max out a game and it's simply GPU bottlenecked most of the time at this point in time, but as games start using more threads (which they are), it is starting to make a difference if you don't want to have to upgrade in 2-3 years.
Go figure, this is titled "threads matter". They do now. http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2808-watch-dogs-2-cpu-benchmark-thread-intensive-game?showall=1
The 7600k gets 55.8min 84.3 av.
The 7700k with 76 min 112 av.
That's a 50% performance increase from two CPUs that are nearly identical except for one has HT and the other doesn't.
This >>59207675 "HT doesn't do anything you should disable it" is a dumb meme.

Most games are being optimized for 8 threads now days because the PS4 and Xbone use 8 threads.

And this gets back to the 1700 also being a potentially good buy, if you believe software is going to get sorted out to fix some benchmarking results most reviewers had (but some didn't)
A 1700 build is $100 cheaper than the 7700k.

>>59207769

hyperthreading splits one physical core into two logical cores doubling output for programs optimized for it but games don't scale it effectively because splitting the game logic isn't the same. It's like eating with a spoon and instead with hyperthreading you're eating with two spoons and at a certain point you can't scale that many spoons. And games aren't coded for brute force end results from raw output scenarios like video encoding or rendering

anyway yeah hyperthreading is specifically for intel i7 models and X for ryzen, you just disable in the UEFI bios splash screen on start up

>>59208039
Also by that benchmark, the 7700k costing 50% more than the 7600k does rather justify its price. It gets 50% higher FPS in a game that actually utilizes it.

The 1700 is currently doing way shittier than you'd expect for a highly threaded game like Watch Dogs 2. It's currently (with its rocky launch software) between the 7600k and 7700k in that game. But I mean, it costs the same as the 7600k when you include the board cost different and cooler, so it's better, no?
However this may be patched, and the 1700 might be brought up more around the 7700k in that game soon enough. And future games will certainly utilize it better.

It's hard to tell.. few are benchmarking the 1700 up against the 7600k. I don't know if it's bias, or they don't understand the 1700 is really a 7600k competitive as they literally cost the same amount for a build.

But yeah. This is why I personally don't recommend the 7400, 7500, and 7600k. I think they're wastes of money at their price points that'll soon become absolete.
If you don't care about a CPU becoming obsolete soon, save $80 over the 7600k and get an i3-7350k instead. Or just get a Pentium G4560.

>>59208117
Ummm no the 1700 has SMT. It's 8c/16t for $330 (and comes with a cooler worth about $30, so really $300. And motherboards are $50 cheaper, so really like $250)

>>59207961

Steel Series Sensei RAW Rubberized with QCK Heavy large mousepad

Or even better Zowie EC1A (large) or EC2A (driverless)

And Topre Typeheaven for the keyboard

>>59207184

16? Maybe. Probably not a huge difference. Do you notice your system memory utilization topping out or getting close to the top often?

>>59208184
A lot of what's screwing Ryzen on benchmarks right now is that no game is utilizing SMT properly like it does HT.

SMT is superior to HT, benchmarks in rendering and workstation have shown, but all these games have special scheduling code to deal with HT and never had to account for something that works different.
So currently the 1700 runs similar to the 7700k with HT disabled in Watch Dogs2. It seems to also only use 4 cores.

AMD says they're working with 300 developers to get games patched. If you believe they will, Ryzen is absolutely worth it over the 7600k or the same price.
If you don't think they will, well, it's still damn good value if you do more than gaming.

>>59207184
I think gta v was the only game in recent memory that actually largely benefited from having 16 vs 8

>>59208184
>>59208250

I didn't single out ryzen, smt or not getting an 8 core top of the line chip as a first build for gaming isn't optimal

The R7 which is in the same category as home enterprise Intels hits two birds with one stone definitely by matching 7700K (clocked higher) but the Intel platform is more standard, not everyone wants to take a gamble and see if it works, the community has enough of enthusiasts esp. at THAT price but you don't send a noob with a brand new AMD setup in the wild and see how it goes. As you said, if you do more than gaming. We've yet to see the 1600X but it's all good, Ryzen is the smarter choice but Intel is safer. Neutral point of view, can't say anything without sounding like a shill on the topic on release

I recently build a PC with a 1080, and I need a monitor upgrade from my old as shit 1920x1080 LG monitor.

4k looks great, but a single 1080 doesn't really seem up to the task of 75fps+ 4k, and I'm ready to move beyond 60hz.

I was thinking about a 27" 2560 x 1440 monitor as primary, with a 25" 2560x1080 as secondary either above the 27" angled down, or maybe below it angled up.

Actual width on both monitors seems to be 24-25" on both, so I think they'd match up pretty well.

Is there any reason this is a terrible idea?

>>59208335
My point is that the 1700 competes in price with the 7600k, not the 7700k, because it comes with a good cooler and the motherboards are $50 cheaper.

So if someone was planning a 7600k build, why should they wait for the 1600X? The 1700 is already within their budget so they don't need to wait.

Though, waiting to see how much software and BIOS/UEFI updates improve things is a reason to wait.

Is it worth it to wait for Ryzen 5 or should I just get an i5? And if so, which one should I get?

>>59208403

It's fine, maybe you could look into dual monitor VESA or VIVO mount depending if you really want to mount them but you'll always have the added functionality of your previous monitor. see

>>59207956

you could get the S2717DG but the price is prohibitive considering 4K is around the corner PG27AQ is the best right now

>>59208555

You could be right but the 1700 is capped. The perf is great already don't get me wrong it's just early, everyone on the ryzen train is the right choices; no frills gaming, just standard will go far ahead even by upgrading GPU 2 or 3 years from now depending on CPU load which is increasingly important but factoring 4K benchmarks when maxing out other components (monitor, mainly) matters

>>59208189
Will check them out, thanks

>>59208403
Don't mis-match monitors like that unless you're going to put a 16:10 in portrait orientation on a swivel mount, anon.

>>59208608
Just get Ryzen 1700 instead of an i5. They're the same system cost because it comes with a good cooler and mobos are cheaper. Can't you read? >>59208039

>>59208666
I said Ryzen 5, not Ryzen 7. Can you not read?

>>59208666
>>59208690

Nice trips, Ryzen 5 1600x not relased yet. If it matches and optimizes R7 performance vs 7700K by all means go ahead

>>59208189
Anything less expensive than the Topre? I just need a simple chiclet-style tenkey, I can use mic deafening to blot out really minor background noise so I don't need anything ABSOLUTELY silent.
Wired is a must though

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>>59208758
>Nice trips
ty senpai

Currently using a G3258 overclocked to 4.7Ghz. What is the best GPU I can get that won't get bottlenecked by my CPU?

>>59208758
>tfw /waitforzen/ only to wait for /zen/ again

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Where should I mount my pump/reservoir if I also need to fit 2-3 HDDs in my case?

I can't decide between the EK PE radiator with 38mm thickness or EK WE radiator with 27mm of thickness.
I'm not quite sure I can fit a thicker rad into upper and front part of the case, but it is a full tower size.

>>59208555

The best CPU for gaymen is still 7600K or 7700K you gotta admit that it's too early to recommend R7 for gaming and the locked 1700 isn't an option it's not at all comparable to X performance

>>59208555

Filco Majestouch (same price)
SteelSeries 6Gv2 cherry blacks are fine, great first keyboard by my standards imo a hundred bucks is fine and actually the topre or filco will last your whole life and you're actually using alot your keyboard so it has to be considered. Below a hundred bucks

Happy Hacking Keyboard Lite2 USB (Black)
which is 60 bucks but it's tenkeyless (it's a steal at that price)

hundred bucks is the minimum for a decent keyboard, imho baybe there are some Das Keyboard silent but make sure you get cherry browns or blacks because blues are noisy and reds are very light

you could get this one since you want chiclet feel keyboards

Rosewill Mechanical Gaming Keyboard with Cherry MX Red Switch at 85

but if you have heavy typing and type like martial arts get the steelseries 6gv2 (great first serious keyboard) linear mx blacks and it's built like a tank

>>59209051
Yeah but the L1151 chipset is on its way out of the market. The R7 is a much better buy.

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>>59208651
>>59208666

The idea was to put them both on arm mounts, something like this.

>>59208999

1050ti at 150

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The missing part no. 8 is an i5-6500, I don't know why it's not showing. I apologize for indonesian mudcoin currency, it translates to roughly $1400.

I picked a watercooling for less noise and i'm not sure if it's an error in their pricing but it's like 40$ for an AIO 240mm radiator so why not.

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>>59209051
I really can't admit that.

7700k okay, it's a decent enough chip. HT gives 50% perf increase in Watch Dogs 2 and other games will follow. Good mix of single core and multithreaded perf.

But the 7600k? It's dogshit. Do not recommend that to people when they can get a 1700 for only $30 more.
No matter how big your hardon for single-core performance is, you know a lot of the reason the 1700 is underperforming in some benchmarks is faulty motherboard BIOS, and because some games are awaiting a patch because their engines are getting confused thinking they see HT and only using 4 of its 8 cores and using SMT in a way that makes performance worse even when they're games that get performance increases from HT.

G4560, i3-7350k, 1700, and 7700k are the only processors worth considering anymore.

>the locked 1700
There's no such thing. You shouldn't give advice when you don't know what you're talking about.
All Ryzens are unlocked. You just need a B350, X370, or X300 motherboard to overclock them. And B350 are way cheaper than Z270.

>>59209103
>The idea was to put them both on arm mounts, something like this.
Oh then that's alright. I'm going to be doing that with my tv up above once I move.

>>59209100

Agree, the socket change a year is ridiculous

>>59209119

That's easy to draw but you're overthinking it, check what kind of mounts you have and then look for some single desk extra tall and just hover it but you're going to strain your neck with that setup so I'd highly advise against it, just look into setting it side by side with vesa or vivo mounts

>>59209165

Get a regular toshiba, hitachi or WD hdd instead of a seagate sshd. more reliable and maybe you can get more TB for the price also water cooling meme with locked cpu... Can you try getting a discounted 170 and 6600k instead; no case meh add a fan directly on the side panel parallel with the gpu but its fine

>>59209103
see
>>59209261

>>59209165

btw you can't be paying $1400 for a locked 6500 on a h170 reconsider

Z170A
6600K

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>>59202637
Please help

LMAO!

Another
Massive
Dissapointment

>just wait some more, they are improving the bios

>>59209350
Go back to your shitposting general

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>>59209043
Pls halp

How are Samsung's SSDs? They're cheap in price but are they cheap in quality too?

>>59208855
see
>>59209051

>>59209343

7600k
asus z270a
850 pro instead of evo
1070 you must be joking at 440 check in a week or two for price update on 1070
case NZXT S340 (White)
psu EVGA SuperNOVA 650 GS (seasonic)
>you really need a wifi adapter
keyboard ducky one blue
mouse steelseries sensei raw rubberized

>>59209424
Hop back in your hot bath and use the razorblade this time. AMD is dead.

>>59209501
Nah, rock solid actually.

>>59209100
What this guy said, too. Ryzen has upgrade potential as AM4 is sticking around until 2020+.

The 7700k is an okay buy, too. I think it's overpriced, but it's undeniably a good CPU.

But the 6600k is just buying something that you'll regret in a year or two as almost every game will be using HT/SMT well as they already started to the past year.

>>59209501

no they're the best get 850 pro 256 (preferred) or 850 evo 512 at around 130 it's worth it with a regular hdd (hgst, wd, toshiba) if you need the extra storage

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>>59209501
I've had one for 3 years and it's never had a problem.

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What are some sexy mouse/keyboards to go along with my NZXT s340? I already have a nice monitor to compliment it, but I want something to match the clean aesthetic of the case.

>>59202637
>>59209343

and obvioussly add a cooler like Noctua NH D14S, thermal paste Arctic silver 5 or MX4, the case usually has fans but pack of two Sp120 corsair high perf fans

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>>59209590

this is the most sexig config but kinda feminine imo whatever floats your boat, the headset is siberia v2 probably

steel series sensei white (the rival is also available in white)
qck heavy mass white

for the keyboard you're better off just getting a ducky shine 5 or 6 (7 might be released soon, didn't check)

or topre realforce white or happyhacking for the tenkeyless factor if you don't mind dropping 300 bucks on keyboards

>>59209258
Explain how the 7350K is worth a damn when you can for less get a non Z chipset and i5-7500?

I'll take four real cores and put the spare money into a better GPU if for gayman.

>>59209769
thanks anon, i'll look into those

>>59209424
WAIT™ FOR ZEN®+

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I didn't want to start a new thread so I thought I'd ask here:

Would anyone here please help me find a computer on ebay in the ~$400 range? I'm a novice when it comes to computer technology and would greatly appreciate any help. Thank you.

>>59209779
ur right they both suck

Anyway Z270 motherboards aren't $45 more. You can get some cheap ones. The cheapest one is only $20 more than the cheapest non-ASRock B250. So the non-unlocked 7500+mobo is $25 more still.

The i3-7350K should be cheaper still, though, but it's not, because jews. Oh well.
That's their whole business model. Leave you with a bunch of shitty options hoping you'll pony-up for the 7700k or just go "fuck it" and buy the cheap ass Pentium that you won't miss when you have to replace it.

>>59209902
i5-7500 + cheapo B250 board : $268.22

i3-7350k + Hyper 212 (no stock cooler on K skus) + cheap Z270 board: $302.97

$34.75 to spend on other better shit.

>>59209886
>image

you mother fucker

>>59209963
if 35 bucks is the difference between settling on something and picking a better product i'd just fork it out

>>59210077
4 Physical cores vs 2 cores and HT.

Pick which is better?

I don't get why the i5 7500 is the same price as a 6600k in my country, I was hoping to save some money.

>>59209963
Ahh you're right, the no stock cooler. Thanks for correcting me.

It still seems like it should only be a few dollars more with a $30 cooler ($160+$91+$30=$281), but either way, still shittily overpriced at that when you can get a 1700+mobo for $410.

>>59210077
eh it's not really better. They're equal in a lot of cases, varying by how much you overclock, but it's not worth what it ends up really costing.
They're both 4 threads, and the 7350K is unlocked and $45 cheaper, but it requires a more expensive motherboard and doesn't come with a cooler.

>>59209261
>>59209334
AH, thanks for the reminder, the store does not offer the case i'm looking for, i'm getting Phanteks Enthoo Eclipse 400 that should add roughly 100$ more.

yeah the watercooling is meme inducing, but it's cheap, about 10$ more from air cooling I had in mind. the jump to 6600k and z170 is more than $80.

thanks for the heads up on storage though!

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Do I need a sound card for speakers and headphones?

>>59210173
i3-7350k ($169.99) + Cooler ($30) + Z270 Mobo mATX ($107.99) = $302.97 (5 dollar jewbate).

i5-7500 ($196.33) + B250 Mobo mATX ($71.89) = $268.22

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>>59209165
>>59209261
Okay thanks to you >>59209261 I changed the processor and motherboard and opted for cheap seagate 2TB drive. I think this build is much much better now with unlocked processor and watercooling.

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>>59210181
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

>>59210338
Okay, somehow for me it's $160+$30+$91 for the 7350k and $205+$71 for the 7500.

But close enough. Doesn't matter. Both are overpriced shit.

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rx 480 8gb
or
gtx 1060 6gb
For maya and adobe aplicactions?

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For a while now I've been using an eGPU setup with my Thinkpad and a desktop PSU/GPU, and now that I've got enough money, I'm building my first fully-fledged desktop PC.
So, I was wondering: is there any precautions or things I should look out for when transferring the PSU/GPU to the new setup? They both work completely fine, I'm mostly asking 'cause I'm paranoid of the PSU completely frying my system or something like that since it's been in use before.