/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

>>59149455

What is your daily crap? Do you even know what yo use it for?

I work in a web hosting company as a level 2 support monkey. I know how to get around our systems pretty well. We have cPanel servers as well as a shitty cloud. In addition to BASH, what are some other skills I should start touching up on to get to a system administrator level? While on the topic, what is some good literature to learn bash? Is classic shell scripting by O'Reilly good, or should I consider something else?

>>59149952
I'd recommend http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide

>tfw the first i chrooted into my encrypted system to kernel update

was pretty easy, not sure why i thought it wouldn't be maybe it was just since I never had to do that before.

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>>59150016
this doesnt make much sense anon

>>59150051
kernel update made my system not boot into the desktop but stall right before due to my graphics card.

had to use an arch linux image on a usb to boot up and get into my system to pacman -Syyu with a testing repo. then it worked.

>>59150016
>>59150095
lmao, typical Arch. Gentoo doesn't have this problem

t. 4.10.1-gentoo

>>59150137
what can I say?

It was just that specific kernel not playing with my RX 480.

No harm done, and I learned something that might come in handy later on.

>>59150183
What kernel was it? I'm also using RX 480 but every recent kernel has just werked on Gentoo.

>>59150211
Don't know which one off the top of my head, would have to check and I'm not at home to check it on the machine.

Was just yesterday so unless it was updated since then, it is the current kernel on the non-testing repo.

>>59150321
Probably it's the Arch devs fucking shit up then. No surprise there

>>59150355
Eh installed this awhile back, very much a distrohopper, but it's worked out alright bar a few hiccups like this.

I'm just too easy perhaps, not too critical when it comes to things.

Never have distrohopped to gentoo though, never got memed into it. but have worked with the command line a fair amount, so I'll look into playing with it on a spare machine.

now I get it, macOS rm doesn't have the --no-preserve-root failsave, that's why rm -rf / is so popular https://opensource.apple.com/source/file_cmds/file_cmds-184/rm/rm.c

What is a simple alternative to Slackware that doesn't get bundled with systemd by default?

>>59150627
slackware doesn't come with systemd

>>59150627
Have you tried looking in your preferred search engine?

>>59150682
wrong thread?

>>59150700
Yeah, it definietely belongs to /sqt/

>>59150745
fuck off, this is friendly territory

>>59150627
how is that debian spinoff without the sunnyD?

>>59150772
Oh look, yet another baiting faggot.
Get a trip so I can filter you next time

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>>59150800
still in beta after 3 years.

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>>59150834
It's like people complaining about systemDicks are just a bunch of memespurting faggots too inept to figure out an alterantive and make it work

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I'm new to GNU Emacs
mostly due to its excellent mode for ReStructuredText.
No other editor matches it in that regard.
Does anyone know how I can get a live HTML preview though?
My LISP magic sucks

>>59150800
You can just install sysvinit on regular Debian unstable

The Debian unstable installation on my desktop is over 5 years old and I simply never installed systemd. It just werks.

>>59151162
>It just werks.
until it doesn't. Many Debian devs that cared about init choice left. Those that remain won't be able to support non-systemd systems for long because systemd is so invasive.

btw, I use Gentoo with both OpenRC and systemd so I don't really care either way

>>59151215
I don't care much either. My laptop and multiple servers all run systemd. They just werk, too.
It's all a lot of noise about nothing.

How can i get the same font quality under GTK and Qt?

>waste 5 hours trying to make a shitty script work
>errors everywhere and shit is broken
>use some random first result shit in a XP VM
>work flawless out of the box

I'm done with this shit

I'm just done

OpenSUSE or Fedora for my new XPS13? I want to give an RPM based distro a whirl since I've been using Debian for the past 6 years

>>59151360
keke, that's how it goes anon. what was this so called shitty script supposed to do?

>>59151371
gun to my head, i would pick the bullet.

second I would pick opensuse tumbleweed.

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Installed Ubuntu on harddrive, everything worked fine until I started working, downloading and multitasking, then system just stopped responding (although I heard Youtube audio cleary). I couldn't move, close, or minimize any windows and in the end had to reboot.
Any solutions to this without the need of restarting every time this happens? Happen second time now

Theoretical question /g/:
Can Linux system get infected by a virus in Windows OS while dualbooting?

>>59151515
Of course.

>>59151144
By live you mean the output will change with every character opened?

>>59151515
I don't think Windings supports Linux file systems. On Linux side, you can mount the Windows partitions with noexec mount option

>>59151574
Once a second would be okay.
I can do it with a shell script but built-in rendering would be nicer.

>>59151611
>Once a second would be okay.
I think you should get good at what you're trying to do.

>>59151515
>>59151582
GNU/Linux*

>>59151262

Adjust fonts for GTK programs and make Qt programs use your GTK settings.

>>59151843
How?

>>59151871

There's an article on the Arch Wiki. Search for "GTK Qt uniform look" or stumble upon the article from the GTK article.

>>59151162
good luck removing libsystemd0 tho

>>59150183
>chrooting with arch.
I've been wondering lately if you can just boot your arch install medium and use the arch-root command.
Not using arch now though.

>>59149573

Hello /fglt/.
I want to try out a Linux in a virtual machine and have determined from what little i could understand that Trisquel seems most desirable to me because of the looks, the specific pre installed software (Some of which I am familiar with) and freedoms it has.
However my concern is how easy is it for a beginner to set up and use, and also is there any other distribution that has those factors i mentioned that I like, only better?
I have no prior experience with Linux.
My purpose for using it is to learn about Linux in general, its CLI and how to program using Emacs in language C.

>>59152201
Triquel is as easy as Ubuntu.

>>59152201
Trisquel has no devs and using it is basically just a statement "hurr GNU durr". Just use Debian and don't add non-free repos if freedoms is what you want. Debian has thousands of devs.

>>59152222
fuck off troll

>>59152240
Have you even checked Trisquel's development? Fuck, you GNU/Retards are so stupid

>>59152201
You will get absolutely zero (0) benefits from using Trisquel over *buntu (which Trisquel is based on) if you're going to use it in a VM.

The only difference between Trisquel and Ubuntu is the deblobbed kernel which doesn't fucking matter if you're not going to run in on actual hardware.

Stop being silly.

>>59152318
>freedom and security isn't a benefit, instead use a distro made by microsoft partners which already comes with spyware
see >>59152240

>>59152222
Quads tell the truth

Trisquel is almost as edgy as the BSDs

following this guide to get wifi working on debian
http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi/__v24.html
i ignored everything under the section "Firmware" (it looked too complicated for me, and i got the feeling that it could be ignored, am i wrong?) except for the:
# cp iwlwifi-*.ucode /lib/firmware

so i copied successfully this thing inside my /lib/firmware folder, but now how do i start it? i can't see the wirless interface with ifconfig, even after a reboot. thanks for any help

>>59152378
only normal ubuntu comes with spyware
not kubuntu xubuntu, etc

>>59152378
TWO fucking examples of freedoms you will utilize in a Virtual Machine that come with Trisquel that aren't available on fucking *buntu.

TWO

You fucking cocksucker. You say you're new but then you continue to sperg about things you have absolutely no fucking clue about.

>>59152439
install the driver with apt

>>59152439
># cp iwlwifi-*.ucode /lib/firmware
Nigger what.

https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi

>>59152452
I'm not the anon who was asking, retard.
>>59152444
Doesn't make vanilla Ubuntu better.
>>59152222
Sure you can keep debian pretty much free, but if he wants to try Trisquel why not? Don't be a sperg.

>>59152452

I said I am new.
He however did not.
This is my only post in this thread >>59152201

>>59152378
>by microsoft partners
Hope you're not using any sort of Linux then

>>59152465
>doesn't know where to extract firmware to.
Debibabby detected

>>59152454
>>59152465
i believe you need to be online to use apt-get, but i would like to do the installation offline. i have already successfully installed that same driver on the same machine with apt-get, but i wanted to learn the offline way using just the .tgz package

>>59152687
get the .deb package and use dpkg to install it without using apt-get. this way you can update it properly with apt and remove it with apt.

>>59152222

How more or less difficult is Debian to use/set up compared to Trisquel?

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How can I set

sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade

as a launcher in XFCE? I tried doing it with MenuLibre, but when I put in my password for sudo, the terminal window closes and nothing happens.

>>59153157
You probably need to change the launcher command to open your terminal and pass the command to it. Or maybe something like sh -c "sudo apt..."
I'm not exactly sure

Can anyone in here running Wayland help me with setting monitor refresh rates?

I'm using Fedora 25 and picking a refresh rate higher than 60hz doesn't actually do anything, is this a known issue or is it supposed to work

>>59152757
i didn't even know the .deb package existed. well it worked, thank you. i wonder why the .tgz packages are even around if using them is such a not-recommended thing to do

What is the safest way to disconnect a USB HDD (bus powered) in Linux?

Is it unmount then hdparm -y?

>>59153157
you could make a .desktop file at $HOME/.local/share/applications/
using below will hold the terminal open until you press <return> (the read line part)
I used kde application editor to make

[Desktop Entry]
Comment=You shouldn't actually do this
Exec=bash -c "sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade; read line"
GenericName=Wanna Fuggup your system?
Icon=distributor-logo-debian
Name=UpgradeMyShit
NoDisplay=false
Path[$e]=
StartupNotify=true
Terminal=1
TerminalOptions=
Type=Application

>>59154192
>in Linux?
unload the USB SCSI module

So I'm confused about WPA2. Whatever I read says It uses AES and CCMP interchangeably. Are these two different or the same.

How big is your desktop kernel?
Got mine down to 4.5MB

>>59154625
>using compressed kernels

I want to try out a new WM, any suggestions?

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>>59154625
>making a pissing contest outta anything
this system wont boot on anything except the intended hardware but has a few extra modules

>>59154625
what's a desktop kernel

>>59154819
Post your bar script and stuff please i love that look

is there a guide somewhere to trimming down a distro to bare essentials ?

im running archbang on a 4g eee 701

also looking for something to view pdfs that has an index/pagefinder function, currently using feh and it sucks

>>59154943
also how can i screenshot in arch? do i really need a dedicated program?

>>59154958

import -window root scrot.png

>>59154958
>do i really need a dedicated program
yes, install scrot

>>59155019
use ffmpeg to look like l33th4x0r

Let's discuss systemd.

>>59155047
It makes my computer work.

Arch is a stepping stone.

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What are some cool terminal commands?

>>59154932
its awesomeWM

back to page 1 with you

>>59154748
fluxbox

How can I prevent stuttering in YouTube videos on Linux? I know for sure it's something about Linux and not the quality of my connection.

>>59156513
Update your shit/use a different browser

>>59156526
Think Midori is worth a try?

>>59156552
Buggy piece of deprecated webkit shit

>>59156552
Firefox with Flash plays 100% of videos.

>>59156589
k
Can't add the PPA anyway
>>59156611
I'm using Firefox as it came with my distro, but it's giving me the stutters. I guess I'll update.

>>59156513
Linux can play youtube videos?

>>59156660
yes

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What's so bad about SystemD?

>>59156660
Well of course... otherwise Android wouldn't get much business.

>>59156689
Android can play youtube videos?

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>>59156678
Its a monolithic piece of shit thats slowly taking over the entire ecosystem of what linux is.
It was a good idea but has gone unchecked and allowed to pretty much take over and have sissy fits if things done go their way(programs dep'ing on systemd when there is no need for it)

So I wanna run this screensaver called "memscroller" in a small box in conky on my desktop.

How do I go around doing this?

>>59156728
Linux isn't an ecosystem. It's a program.

>>59156728
IMO it's actually very good modular free software that works well, but poettering is a faggot and its scope is slowly increasing to a ridiculous level. And the fact that it's a little bloated and accumulating a weird number of dependencies.

>>59156874
Binary logs
The biggest retardation that is systemd

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Hey /g/, what's the best lightweight and user-friendly distro for daily use?

>>59156861
>program
>Linux
pls execute it for me.

>>59156952
gentoo

>>59157021
is this fajeet serious?

>>59157021
newfag

>>59157111
pls

>>59156952
Install Source Mage GNU/Linux.

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>mfw setting up a Gentoo with USE="-*"
that is, all USE flags disabled by default. You thought you knew autism?

>>59157139
>USE="-*"
>autism
>not

 NOTUSE="-*"
USE="$NOTUSE"

you may have autism, but you're definitely not autism.

>>59157175
multiple USE lines have confused Portage in the past. No reason to do that.

>>59157001
>linux
>ecosystem
Pls describe the climate zone this ecosystem is located in

>>59157214
that doesnt

>>59157231
Nope, exactly that kind of combining has brought up bugs. In edge cases it might not work 100% correctly.

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>>59156728
It's shit and it's shitting all over everything doesn't really answer my question. Please be more specific.

What's so bad about SystemD?

>>59157254
its red hat trying to make a monopoly

>>59157254
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd

>>59157228
Cold like a tundra if you're from "4chan" ,but very warm if you hail from a region called "reddit".
if you are from such, just make sure to not identify yourself "reddit" in 4chan or you'll get bullied.
Also you'll get made fun of if your race is "Arch"

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Has anybody been using recently the Debian gnu + linux prerelease of version 9 "jesse"?

I would like to install debian gnu + linux on my home computer as I am using a gnu + linux which has nonfree proprietary software built in. I have been using ubuntu gnu + linux for 7 years, and would like to use a freedom respecting computer now.

Is it reasonable to use debian stable?

I'm a low level user. I installed Anaconda (with python 2.7). It went in ~/anaconda2/bin/python.

Later I isntalled a computational chemistry module called psi4. It went in ~/psi4conda/bin/python and this became the default python. Now many of the modules anaconda came with don't load from inside a terminal window. How can I "merge" the two installations? I tried simple copying the folders into each other, but it didn't work. I'm not a total computer retard, but I am new to ubuntu and its install structure etc.

I can launch both of them manually, but they're separate.

>>59157288
gnu + GNU/linux

>>59157344

Also, this is on ubuntu 16.04.

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>>59157271
That's more about Redhat.

>>59157274
I don't think that link is a good substitute for an answer.
>systemd kill background processes after user logs out
This behavior is configurable yet they're misrepresenting the news clickbait style. That kind of sensationalism always makes me wary of a source.

is it true that systemd can brick your mainboard?

>>59157391
>buttplug doesn't turn black

How will the RGB cucks satisfy their lust for BBC in their ass?

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>>59157410
I remember there was a file in /dev/ that you could write to that would brick some mobos. Is that what you mean. I think that device file was presented by udev so I guess you could say systemd had something to do with it.

>>59157422
They caused blackholes in the lab, killing the test subjects

>>59157457
>watermelon wallpaper
I have a few questions about your race.

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>>59157422
I'm pretty sure they have access to the real thing.

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>>59157475
ooga booga

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>>59157542
>memecenter

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>>59157542
ON THE GROUND!

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>>59157593
Let me finish this hit first.

how to convert a string to binary on the command line?

>>59157727
if its a zImage, use u-boot-tools mkimage

What are some cool things you can do with dmenu, other than starting programs?

>>59157391
Where's the breathing mode?

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Is there any distro that doesn't get memed here?

>>59157912
only the obscure ones that people haven't shown off yet

Should I use a filesystem other than ext4 if I want something that never corrupts? I don't care about RAID, I have only one drive with one partition.

>>59158198
ext4 is the most stable current filesystem for linux. btrfs is probably going to be fine but still isn't fully trusted like ext4 is. You'd only use something like ZFS if you had a bunch of drives.

>>59158238
GNU/Linux*

>>59158265
GNU has nothing to do with Linux supporting file systems

>>59158265
>talking about kernel modules
>get corrected with distro bullshit
>>>/r/eddit

>>59158329
what kernel module manages the filesystem?

>>59158348
I seriously hope you're not underage/retarded or something.
zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -e "BTRFS" -e "EXT4" -e "EXT2"

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>>59158348

>>59158422
>>59158425
so which module does the filesystem? all i see are configurations for a filesystem
isn't it obvious that the filesystem is the filesystem, not linux?

>>59158524
You cannot access filesystems that are not configured in the kernel.It would be missing the module that runs the filesystem.

>>59158598
i see thanks

How do I install and use i3 on Ubuntu 16.04 Gnome

What DE should I use?

Want something relatively lightweight, easy to use and looks nice without a ton of configuration. (dont have time)

>>59158865
XFCE with

arc-theme

.

>>59158865
I recommend to use the best DE.

>>59158865
mate or xfce

>>59158883
>>59158906
Thanks, I have been using xfce on one of my laptops, it seems ok but I feel it needs a little change to the look of it. I will check out the arc-theme.

>>59155115
while sleep 1;do tput sc;tput cup 0 $(($(tput cols)-29));date;tput rc;done

>>59155115
sudo pacman -Rddsc systemd

Redpill me on package management. (Only interested in binary packages). Which is superior, apt, dnf, zypper, pacman or something else?

>>59160010
The Jews are reptilians funding Israel to kill the Palestinians.

>>59160010
this guy covered it pretty damn good >>59160052

Ok so some DE have my keyboard volume buttons working but xfce does not, same for brightness. How do I go about installing those?

>>59160096
while this is the fglt it is good manners to at least try and find a solution yourself before asking someone else to do it for you

>>59160133
Sorry, didn't mean to come across as not trying. I found this before asking: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xfce#Keyboard_volume_buttons

Wasn't sure if those packages would do the trick or if I am missing something.

>>59160330
there was an attempt

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>>59160405
It gets better every time.

>>59160446
take it over to >>>/w/vector and request a vector

>>59156952
Everything with lxde or xfce.

How outdated are the Ubuntu packages?

can someone walk me through how to host an ssh? I want to be able to use my terminal from another device.

Is it true that windows can be wake my PC while it's turned off to update? Can it do that from a dual boot in grub?
Also, if I use win10 in qemu can it infect my GNU/Linux with the botnet?

>>59161105

You waited 3 hours for a response for something you could look up yourself in 1 minute.

>>59161136

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Secure_Shell

>>59161272

>Is it true that windows can be wake my PC while it's turned off to update?
You can turn on computers via a network; wake-on-LAN.

>Can it do that from a dual boot in grub?
Your bootloader has nothing to do with that.

>Also, if I use win10 in qemu can it infect my GNU/Linux with the botnet?
You don't even know what a botnet is, you just use that term because you saw it on here.

>>59160203

What do you have to lose by installing and seeing for yourself?

>>59161272
>Is it true that windows can be wake my PC while it's turned off to update?
No, Windows cannot turn on your computer if you turned it off. If it's in stadby however, then the Update Orchestrator scheduled task can wake it up. You can disable this behaviour in task scheduler.
>Can it do that from a dual boot in grub?
this have literally nothing to do with it.
>Also, if I use win10 in qemu can it infect my GNU/Linux with the botnet?
No, but if it can access shared folders from your host system with write access, ransomware might encrypt your files there. Share your main folders in read only mode only and set up a DESIGNATED writeable folder for file exchange.

>>59160096
>sound
install xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin and drop it on your taskbar. The old mixer application is deprecated and no longer available in modern distros because it depends on gstreamer functionality that was removed from it.
>brigness
install xfce4-power-manager

>>59158674
apt-get install i3

>use
in your login manager change the DE/WM to start from gnome-session to i3

I have two hdds. My current install has just the boot, swap and root partitions.

If I get my new hdd, create the same filesystems/paritions on it then just go

dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1

to copy /boot and

dd if=/dev/sda3 of=/dev/sdb3

for too, will that be all I need to do? Also the current drive is 1tb, but the new one is only 500gig, will this cause problems?

Is there a desktop enviroment/window manager that allows me to remove the task bar?
I don't mean just remove. I mean being able to do the same stuff (keeping track of what windows you have open, some kind of notification system +, etc, and the same time, having more free space because the ugly task bar isn't there to waste space

>>59162647
just make it smaller and transparent, remove icons and tools you don't use

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I can't get my cloud core headset to work properly on Debian and don't really know where to start.

If I plug it straight -- sound works, but if I use standard adapter to make use of both microphone and headphones -- nothing works.

>>59162647

Almost every desktop environment allows your to remove the taskbar. Windows managers on their own, per definition, don't deal with task-bar stuff, so every window manager "alone" won't have a taskbar.

Just use auto-hiding taskbars, because that's the reason that feature was invented.

>>59162947
The auto hide feature isn't what I'm looking for, but thanks anyway.

philosophy undergrad
wiping my scholarship laptop because >w10

all I want is a browser and word processor for essays.

what do I install?

>>59163701
ubango

I was looking for a way to hide window decorations in Openbox for maximized windows. Found this and it works like a charm.

https://github.com/baverman/orcsome

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I'm trying to use distcc but most jobs get executed on the local machine (with shit performances) rather than on the more powerful slave remote machine.
What am I doing wrong?

Any perlmonks here? I just discovered the awesomeness of perl and want to use it for renaming and substituting, etc. like awk/grep/sed. Can someone help me to set up some comfy aliases for this?
>alias 1 make perl behave like awk
>alias 2 make perl behave like sed
>alias 3 make perl just grep things

Any tips welcome.

>>59164817
GNU grep has the -P flag which makes grep using perls regex ... if it helps.

what are the most common aliases I could expect people have set up?
what aliases does your distro ship by default?

>>59164948
>what are the most common aliases I could expect people have set up?
none

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>>59164948
Ubuntu defaults:

alias ls='ls --color=auto'
alias grep='grep --color=auto'
alias fgrep='fgrep --color=auto'
alias egrep='egrep --color=auto'
alias ll='ls -alF'
alias la='ls -A'
alias l='ls -CF'
alias alert='notify-send --urgency=low -i "$([ $? = 0 ] && echo terminal || echo error)" "$(history|tail -n1|sed -e '\''s/^\s*[0-9]\+\s*//;s/[;&|]\s*alert$//'\'')"'

>>59164817

What can Perl do that Python can't?

>>59165019
run on arch linux without breaking

>>59164948

Why would you expect them?

>>59165035

What does a Linux distribution have to do with a programming language, idiot? Are you still so obsessed over Arch/Python that you have to bring up your retarded claim every time someone mentions Python or Arch?

>>59165018
thanks
>>59165036
I don't, just want to know it for heuristic/statistic.

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>>59165053
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>59165053
python on arch is broken doe to linking it by default to python3 instead of the expected python2

On wpa_supplicant, am I supposed to use the long hex string generated by wpa_passphrase or my actual wifi password?

>>59165086
>m-muh bleeding edge
Archkids will defend this in 3.. 2.. 1..

Hello, what is the most lightweight browser for Linux?..can You please post some links of good comparisons?

>>59165180
GNU/Linux*

>>59165180

They're all the same if you want the same features. There is no "lightweight" in the sense that you want.

>>59165180
All current browsers are dogshit. Either get Firefox Nightly and configure your about:config not being botnet or install Icecat.

>lightweight
maybe have a look at https://qutebrowser.org

also this: >>59165191

>>59163701
Something like Arch, Debian, or Gentoo. Anything that doesn't come with a DE or tons of other crap by default will do the trick. *buntus and Fedora are, thus, disqualified.

My X session (Openbox) isn't aware of my PATH set by my shell. I have to use its environment file from where I export my PATH again.

Why is that necessary? I hate having to source my PATH from 2 files. Is there a better solution or am I doing something wrong?

>>59165290
>arch, gentoo for daily use
ebin meme

when will /fglt/ stop trolling noobs?

>>59165290
got 4 hours of downtime at a middle eastern airport this easter, was thinking of installing gentoo then. just dont want no muslims thinking im hacking their shitty airport

>>59163701

You can have those things on any distribution.

>>59165290

Any distribution can come with "No DE". Kill yourself for spreading wrong and bad information and probably feeling good or knowledgeable about it.

>>59165309
When 4chan isn't 4chan anymore.

>>59165309

"daily use" is a buzzphrase and only full retards, like you, use it.
Any distribution can be used daily and they're all equally reliable in that context. Kill yourself.

>>59165328
>>59165309
>>59165309
>when will /fglt/ stop trolling noobs?
When /flt/, later /fglt/ was made, the initial idea was sharing knowlege without trolling newcomers, but this idea got somehow lost with the time... I blame normies

>>59165191
>>59165214
>>59165217

Thanks,..what is the difference between Icecat and Iceweasel?

>>59165346
yeah buddy, things I want to do daily:
- wait hours for compiling the newest gentoo package
- spend hours for fixing my arch system

sure thing bud

>>59165309
>>59165326
>hurr durr I don't understand derived linux distributions and can't read

something LIKE arch, debian, gentoo

I don't recommend *buntu/Fedora/etc. because although you can make your system barebones, it involves uninstalling default shit, which is rarely a good idea. It's easy and safer to build a system up than tear it down.

Arch has dozens of child distros with easy setup, for both installation and package management.

>>59165382
One is a feline the other one a mustelid
both ice tho

>>59165382
It's the same thing. IceWeasel is renamed Firefox on Debian because copyright problems.

>>59165382
iceweasel: back then Mozilla didn't allow Debian to use the name "Firefox" because Debian changed the codebase of the browser. To avoid "confusion", debian decided to call it Iceweasel, because it's neither fire or fox.
Around 1-2 years ago Mozilla recognized that patches/changes made by fucking Debian are definitely not a bad thing and won't put any dirt on their brand name and let them use the Firefox name since.

Icecat: a version of Firefox made by FSF and free-as-in-stallman: it ships with a number of free software addons (spyblock, librejs, httpsanywhere etc), has some extra privacy features, doesn't recommend non-free plugins/addons and has its own repo of FLOSS addons.

>>59156678
Nothing.

>>59165305

nvm fixed it ;)

I just set my PATH in the Openbox file and not in my bashrc.

>>59165431
>>59165412
thanks

>>59165410
>>59165412
>>59165431

Many thanks, I take a look at IceCat

>>59157254
Nothing

>>59165388

Just because you don't want it, doesn't mean it's not true.

>>59165407

>it involves uninstalling default shit,
There's something called net-installers. Ubuntu and Fedora have them. You just proved that you have no idea what you're talking about yet you continue spreading your elitism and smugness.
Kill yourself.

>>59165498
make sure to disable librejs, it's a very nice idea, but the web isn't ready yet

>>59165431

While the Iceweasel/Firefox on Debian has essential the same outcome, I heard different stories for the reasoning.
One of the other stories was that since Debian heavily changes and patches most packages, it made things harder for Mozilla in at least two ways: people reporting Debian specific bugs upstream and slightly "altering" the Firefox experience. I also heard that the Debian maintainers can't keep up with maintaining it, so they're falling back to the "default" upstream Firefox. That one sounds very unlikely though.
I don't know which of those are the most true.

>>59158865
i3 is a metapackage.
Try apt-cache show i3 for what it pulls in, and the recommends and dependencies and whatnot.

>>59165072
why gnu/linux and not linux/gnu? (as mentioned in the linux commandline book)

Are there any linux distributions with high DPI support without messing too much in settings?

>>59165552
From what I read there were 3 major problems
-FF logo was under a license which did not conform the DFSG
-mozilla released ESR releases in 9 month cycles, 2x-3x faster than debian released their new stable versions
-debian included patches that were not previously approved by mozilla

Time passed and now
-FF logo is under a completely free license
-Debian only maintains ESR versions as long as Mozilla does. Once an ESR is over, debian changes versions in stable (which is kinda out of ordinary from them)
-professional Mozilla devs who are also long time debian devs are in charge of FF in debian, so there shouldn't be problem with patches

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>>59165628

It is right and proper to mention the principal contribution first. The GNU contribution to the system is not only bigger than Linux and prior to Linux, we actually started the whole activity.

However, if you prefer to call the system “Linux/GNU”, that is a lot better than what people usually do, which is to omit GNU entirely and make it seem that the whole system is Linux.

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>>59165660
>call the system “Linux/GNU”

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>>59165628
Or as I originally referred to it .. LiGNUx

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>>59165778
For a while we tried the name “LiGNUx”, which combines the words “GNU” and “Linux”. The reaction was very bad. People accept “GNU/Linux” much better.

The shortest legitimate name for this system is “GNU”, but we call it “GNU/Linux” for the reasons given below:

It would not be false to the facts, but it is not the best thing to do. Here are the reasons we call that system version “GNU/Linux” rather than just “GNU”:

- It's not exactly GNU—it has a different kernel (that is, Linux). Distinguishing GNU/Linux from GNU is useful.
- It would be ungentlemanly to ask people to stop giving any credit to Linus Torvalds. He did write an important component of the system. We want to get credit for launching and sustaining the system's development, but this doesn't mean we should treat Linus the same way those who call the system “Linux” treat us. We strongly disagree with his political views, but we deal with that disagreement honorably and openly, rather than by trying to cut him out of the credit for his contribution to the system.
- Since many people know of the system as “Linux”, if we say “GNU” they may simply not recognize we're talking about the same system. If we say “GNU/Linux”, they can make a connection to what they have heard about.

>>59165848
>>59165778
>>59165698
>>59165660

A sign of low intelligence is arguing over banal, already established things over and over again to give oneself the impression of being smart.

>>59165897
I disagree.

>>59165926

Then carry on with your pathetic form of bike-shedding and continue wasting precious 4chan kilobytes.

>>59165897
rms doesn't care about the name, he cares about the initial reason why the system was developed in the first place, which is software freedom

he literally interjects for the sole purpose of software freedom, credit is a secondary question

if you think software freedom is trivial/banal, I wondering where you have been when Snowden told us what's going on amoung proprietary software

anyones every used archbang? been exploring some distros and came across this one

>>59166179
>arch with openbox installed
ebun distro there my friend.
I hope you're aware you can achieve exactly the same thing on regular Arch

>>59166204
wrong thread?

>>59166066
>rms doesn't care about the name
rms only cares about not being irrelevant, like any other human being. If it wasn't free (as in freedom) software, it would be some instagram shit or whatever people do nowadays to feel important. He may be skilled, he may have a cause, but don't pretend he's not primarily in because he's craving the attention like anybody else.

>>59166239
Yeah, your question definitely belongs to sqt or whatever

>>59166204
>lawl something made by profs for noobs is somehow for noobs
wow

>>59166260
i'm stupid, could you give me a tl;dr on your blog?

>>59166204
humm. haven't installed arch yet, only in VMs, maybe will try today

>>59165897
You used the word banal so you are obviously smart and your opinion now matters, you aren't a cliched bigot expressing asinine opinions about how people should spend their time shitposting.

Thank you for striving to improve board culture you are an asset to 4chan.

Arch is just a stepping stone.

>>59166360
woah, h-how did you make that your tripcode is a word??? looks fucking cool tbqh

>>59166360
forgot to ask: what's the meaning of these chinese(?) characters? are you a chinese person?

>>59166179
Tried it as a live usb a while ago.
Has a boot to ramdisk option on boot.
Arch is going systemd and dropping 32bit support, tho, so I don't know what the future is for archbang.

>>59166392
Torvalds?

>>59166360
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mis take in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identit
y has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!
Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

>>59166447
>>59166472
>>59166558
I mean, it's funny and all, but it provides him 3 (You)s for free, and that's what tripcodes are all about. Just filter.

Is there any ext4 driver for Windows that's still supported and doesn't make Windows 10 shit its pants? Ext2fsd just fucks my shit up

>>59166685
filtering is like saying "welcome"
if we don't tell reddit to fuck off, it will turn 4chan into reddit

>>59166728
>implyint 4chan isn't already reddit

>>59166728

Tripcodes were a thing before Reddit was started. Maybe you should inform yourself about your pathetic elitism before you start throwing it around.
Kill yourself.

>>59166728
Arguing about shitposters is basically pissing into the wind.

>>59166807
>>>/p/lebbit

>>59166807
>wahh, 4chan culture is useless elitism
>I want 4chan to behave like reddit, that's why tripcodes exist!!!
see >>59166825

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>>59166879

Is there any gentoo book or course to learn step by step?
I want to learn..

>>59167679
>gentoo
>not source mage

>>59167679
Gentoo is a stepping stone.

should I go for ubuntu or debian?

>>59167955
new? ubuntu
some experience? debian

>>59167987
>some experience
does it even differ in any way other than ubuntu has proprietary divers enabled by default?

>>59168086
Well, that's one of the things you should know how to get around, hence "experience".

>>59168086
>does it even differ
Debian is Ubuntus base, so you get the same stuff but don't have to fear about random crap patching or spyware.

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>yet even more problems with Nvidia drivers
At this point, I don't even care if I lose performance, I think I should buy a 480 and be done with this shit.
Sure, it's up to the maintainers, but this isn't even the first time I've had problems with Nvidia. Fuck.

>>59168347

Just use Noveau.

>>59168347
what distro? I never had any problems with nvidia on both arch and gentoo

>>59168490
>he fell not only for the arch, but also for the gentoo meme
10/10 cringe

>>59168544
gentoo is a 10/10 distro
arch is maybe 6-7/10

>>59168483
Fuck that, I'd rather buy a new card than use that abomination. It's not even the devs' fault, it's Nvidia being assholes.

>>59168490
The only time I had problems before this incident was when I started using Debian Sid with the Nvidia drivers straight from Nvidia's site. That was maybe 10 months ago? Now it's all from apt and I got this.

>>59168582
>distro shilling nonfree software
>10/10
pick one

>>59167901

don't want to stumble. So I need a tutorial or maybe a book.

>>59168669
read the wiki

>>59167901
torwards?

How to resize window title bars in Ubuntu Gnome?

>>59168686

Not properly user-friendly

>>59168703
linus torwards

>>59168916
GNU/linus*

>>59149573
daily reminder that dual booting is self cucking.

>all linux on bare metal
>kvm for vps and windows environments
>bridged networking
>pci and usb passthough for hardware used in virtual environments
all(most) of the speed, none of the risk.

Is there something wrong with Chrome on Linux? It seems to be using much more RAM than Windows. I couldn't figure out what was bottlenecking my system when trying to play a game, used the 'top' command and was at 10-12 out of 16Gb, wtf?

>>59169362
GNU/Linux*

>>59169362
http://www.linuxatemyram.com/

>>59169323
So your saying you should run a windows vm in a linux host rather than dual boot?

>>59169577

give me your mom's phone number. I need to speak with her.

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>>59169362
>Is there something wrong with Chrom

>>59169362
What you're referring to as Chome is literally botnet as defined by Google, which is part of the NSA surveillence program "PRISM".

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>>59168585
>Fuck that, I'd rather buy a new card than use that abomination. It's not even the devs' fault, it's Nvidia being assholes.
Fuck me. Fuck, I guess I'll pick up nouveau while the RX480 ships. What did I need to do again? I removed the nvidia driver and still have the nouveau driver installed. I also went ahead and backed up the xorg.conf whilst removing the blacklist files.

>>59169602
GNU/Linux*

>>59169675
>I removed the nvidia driver and still have the nouveau driver installed.
But clearly its Nvidias fault. And the maintainers. And everyone.

>>59169798
Anon, it has been this way for more than 10 months. Nouveau was blacklisted properly at the time. Stop being a smartass.

>>59149573
Why does K9 mail need me to create an acc

>>59169824
kek

>>59169675
>blacklist files
what are you talking about???

>>59169894
because that's how it worls
you want it to just work, dont you

how can i install linux on my andoid phone?

>>59170100
The Android OS is already using Linux (the kernel).

>>59170100

Like this

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile-device-phone#/

>>59170192
not exactly, the kernel on android is yet another linux fork with patching by google
so technically, it's a linux fork, not the original linux

>>59170209
trivial... that's like saying debian isn't using the original linux because they removed its blobs, but it's still called debian gnu/linux

>>59170209
It's still Linux, and which distro ships vanilla kernels anyway?

(100 house numbers later (wtf 4chan))
New thread: >>59170257

>>59170255
that's like saying mpv is still mplayer

>>59170275
4chan changed something that allows legacy captcha only inside threads, if you want to make a new thread, you need to fill a cancer captchca

>>59151443
Did you try a TTY?

>>59152880
I've never tried Trisquel, but Debian is incredibly simple. The installer isn't as normie-friendly as Ubuntu, but it's still pretty much a case of clicking next.

>>59155115
sudo rm -r /; cd reddit

>>59158865
+1 for XFCE.

>>59168086
does ubuntu differ from debian in any way other than spyware and bloatware?

Is there a commandline switch for 'history that will flush the results?
It's gotten to be too long of a list that I don't know a switch to make the list fit the screen.

>>59171226
what

>>59171365
Console commandline if you type in
history
You get a list of all the commands issued.
Is there a way to flush the que and restart the list?
It's over 200, the screen can't fit 200 entries so you have to use a switch on the history command to display a range of the numbers but that's just guessing where the thing you were looking for is in the stack.

>>59171226
>>59172768
i'm not 100% sure what you're asking but try

less $HISTFILE

and tell me how close i was