/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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Reminder that AMD Ryzen release is most likely to be announced at the end of this month during GDC and you should wait until then before you buy.

First for r8 my build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Cp2B7h

>>59021539
I thought Ryzen would be released in mid-to-late-March

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>>59021513
Nice microwave.

This is now /pcbg/ Poverty Cook Book General.

Waitcucks are cancer.

>>59021566
Objectively good build but consider a RX480 instead the 1060 and get some other cooler, Intel stock sucks ass and with your budget you can afford it.
Also wait for Zen, it's not even two weeks away, it's not like Intel CPUs will run away.

>>59021566
6/10 Get that MSI gaymur garbo out of there. Get something from gigabyte or asus.
Try the Fractal Desin S for same price.

>>59021513
>The only worthwhile gfx cards are the GTX1050Ti, RX470, RX480, GTX1060 6GB

The 1070 cards are absolutely worth it.

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>>59021513
Heres a better quality photo

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>>59021566
Drop the HDD and get a bigger SSD. It's easier to add storage later than swapping OS drive.
You can get an RX480 8GB for $200 which has the same performance as the 1060 6GB.

>>59021588
ayy

>>59021663
yeah, should add "for 1080p" in that sentence.

>>59021604

How so?


Buying a Kaby now would be absolutely retarded.

>>59021663
Nobody bothers to change anything on there, just copypaste. I did add the little not about buying CPUs before Ryzen release

>>59021685
You people seem to think AMD is the good guy and saviour of poor fags, and will sell competitive CPUs for half the price of intel.
They aren't and they won't.
>b-b-but muh leaks
Stop being dumb.

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>>59021682
Someone should do a custom loop fondue desu~

>>59021722
Who said we we're going to buy AMD? We're waiting for Intel to lower their prices

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>>59021722

The point is price drops as well you fucking retard.

>>59021741
Intel don't lower their prices. Even when AMD were undeniably superior during the Athlon64 days, intel were still more expensive. They give no fucks and sell on brand name alone.

What if Ryzen turns out to be hot garbage? We've been rused by AMD before

>>59020949
>If you're thinking of buying the 7100, you probably want the G4560 instead
Can't seem to find a G4560 here. all sold out.
The G4620 though, is about $30 cheaper than an i3 7100. Is it worth it?

>>59021779
You'll be endlessly told to wait for ryzen+ or whatever they're calling the next version.

>>59021635
I have heard conflicting info about whether or not to use the Intel stock cooler. I will be buying the CPU last though so buy then hopefully their prices will have dropped.
>>59021643
The Asus ROG Strix is $130 for just a gaymur mobo and the Gigabyte GA-B250-HD3 mobo doesn't support 2400hz RAM. The only other one worth it is the Asus Prime B250 Plus but that is literally the same price as the MSI mobo. What sets the Fractal Define S apart from the Eclipse P400 though?
>>59021682
How much bigger would you recommend? I will be buying the GPU second to last and will decide on which is cheaper then. If the AMD card is cheaper then I will buy it, if not, I will get Nvidia.

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>>59021741
this

>>59021765
only a fucking retard would buy something this close to the release of something new

>>59021566
consider the following: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YCssPs

>>59021731
kek

>>59021782
yes. it's almost identical in performance

>>59021779
then AMD is actually finished for good. They wont be able to recover if they do another Bulldozer/Piledriver failure. The tiny trust they had will be gone forever

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Prudencii/saved/TVgCJx

the G4560 has made sub 500 builds so much better desu

>>59021810
At least get a 500GB SSD, that would cost about the same as the 250GB SSD + HDD.

Why does a 16GB DDR4 3000MHz ram cost 169 euros here but a 16GB 3200Mhz ram only 129?

What is wrong with this place?

>>59021765
>Intel don't lower their prices

Retailers will.

>>59021874
the better one is cheaper so who cares?

also, demand and/or better timings maybe

>>59021810
>I have heard conflicting info about whether or not to use the Intel stock cooler.
Intel stock cooler is enough for locked CPUs like yours but it's still shit, it's loud and CPU still gets pretty hot.
Something like the Cryorig M9i for about 19 bucks is much better and worth the money.

http://www.skycomp.com.au/asus-mx27aq-27-ips-led-display-energy-star-eye-care-2560x1440-100000000-1-ascr-5ms-respone.html

or

http://www.skycomp.com.au/27-16-9-wqhd-ips-monitors.html

>>59021920
1440p 144hz Freesync.

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>>59021940
+ IPS

>>59021812
Thank you for the suggestion, but I would rather not OC my PC.
>>59021854
So just get a 500GB SSD and grab an HHD later? I'm cautious about not having a large amount of space on my computer to start with, especially since I have to transfer my files from my old computer to new one
>>59021911
Ok will do. Didn't want to pay more than $30 for a fan if I was going to get one anyways.

>>59021874
The cheaper one probably has shittier CAS timings.

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>>59021994
>but I would rather not OC my PC.
you might change your mind later, and it's quite a decent amount of performance boost. if anything you have the option down the road and it would mean you dont have to upgrade as soon and save money in the long run. also it's slightly better resell value.
and if it's about you not knowing how to do it, it's literally one click in the UEFI BIOS with these new Intel CPUs and as long as you dont go too high and keep OK temps there's no chance anything breaks.

>I'm cautious about not having a large amount of space on my computer to start with, especially since I have to transfer my files from my old computer to new one
How much space does your current use?
You could just re-use the hard drives from your current in the new one (if they're SATA).

>Ok will do. Didn't want to pay more than $30 for a fan if I was going to get one anyways.
If you want an alternative, the Hyper 212 is also good value.

>>59022059
IIRC it's also a ~$100 increase in the price and I would rather not go over $1100 in terms of budget. I do know how to OC, I just would rather not, seeing as this is my first build and I don't want to complicate things. Maybe in the future when it is time to upgrade but for now I will just stick to a locked CPU.

Currently my hard drive uses uses about 600 GB. The thing is I am currently using a laptop (I don't know if the laptop hard drive is SATA so I'll have to do research on that).

I have heard good things about the Hyper 212 so I will just look into both and see which is more value.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rCmRM8

I am happy with this build and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>59022191
it's not complicated, it's literally a single button press and the mobo does the rest automatically.

your choice so here's an alternative if you dont even want the option to OC:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b7Phd6

>Currently my hard drive uses uses about 600 GB
it's most likely SATA or mSATA. you could buy a USB enclosure and use as external drive if you wanted, or buy an adapter (if it's not regular SATA) and put in your new case.

But if you have that much shit and cant clean some of it you could go with 250GB SSD + 2TB HDD and just keep the essential stuff on the SSD.

>>59022208
why are you here then?

>>59022284
Wasting my night.

>>59022260
Needs 2400MHz RAM for sure

How's this look for a budget build? Should I get a different motherboard or something?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zCfkRG

>>59022309
Kinda sucks
You'd need the board preflashed, consider B250
Get 2400MHz RAM
Drop to GTX 1050 or upgrade to RX470
Get 240GB SSD

>>59022302
>need
not really. he wont notice any difference. also for the bump up to that he could get 3000mhz for the same price.

>>59022309
read OP's post.

>>59022334
>not really. he wont notice any difference. also for the bump up to that he could get 3000mhz for the same price.
All of this is shit. He can't use 3000MHz on that board at its full speed. It will run at 2400

>read OP's post
Some retard gutted it of any worthwhile builds

>>59022361
read what said a gain and look at the prices.

2100 is almost $10 cheaper and he wont notice any difference.
2400 is the same price as 3000 and like you said it's capped to 2400.

so, like i said, he does not NEED 2400Mhz RAM.

>>59022333
>Drop to GTX 1050 or upgrade to RX470
Why is that? is the 1050 ti a bad card?

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>>59022455
compared to 470 yes

>>59022333
>preflashed
Not familiar with flashing a motherboard. Why is it a bad thing? What downside is there to getting a H110 mobo and flashing the bios to update it, as opposed to getting a b150? Also I don't have much money to work with so a 240gb ssd is too much.

>>59022334
oh, I missed that. thanks.

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>>59022420
The difference is at most $6.88 according to PCpartpicker. The 2400MHz RAM allows the G4560 to match the i3 6100 (find the new Digital Foundry video for yourself); the difference is certainly noticeable in benchmarks and is a worthwhile price/perf purchase.

Anyway he doesn't even NEED a gaming PC at all

>>59022455
Bad price/perf. The 1050Ti is the best card you can get for the average prebuilt, so you pay a slight but annoying premium.

>>59022536
you cant boot kaby lake cpu with a 1xx motherboard without updating bios and not every mobo can update bios without a CPU installed.

>>59022536
>What downside is there to getting a H110 mobo and flashing the bios to update it
Can't do that without a Skylake CPU installed

A 240GB SSD is a mere $20 more than a 120GB for twice the storage, at least last time I checked prices

>>59022544
like i said 50 times already, if he's spending the extra money for faster ram he should just get the 3000mhz ram cus its exactly the same price.

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About to pull the trigger, please look over. Looking to run EVE, Nep games, and make into a PLEX/NAS server in 12 months.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zyKxkT

>>59022638
>buying i3 one week before ryzen
enjoy your buyers remorse

fsp hydro g 650w at $80 worth it or save for evga g3 650w at $100? evga has a 2 yr longer warranty, really only advantage i can see.

i've never heard of fsp but apparently they're super good and been around forever.

>>59022650
I thought of this too but I also thought how in 3 weeks I'll have my PC already with specs that will be able to accomplish whatever I need it to accomplish. How will Ryzen ultimately affect me? Save maybe $10 on a cpu if Intel knocked down the i3 price.

>>59022691
You could have gotten an overclockable quad-core R3 1300X for the same price as an i3-7100

>>59022656
FSP is good. Up to you if the extra warranty is worth it with EVGA.

>>59022691
Retailers might lower price on Intel stuff or you could get AMD and do what >>59022712 said, or Ryzen might be the same price and outperform the i3.

Why people would buy something when they know something that could compete is being release soon is beyond me.

>>59022712
I haven't bought it yet, but if it was really the same price, wouldn't that increase the price of a mother board that allowed overclocking? I'm not looking to do anything fancy at all with this rig. Quad core would be something nice to have, but this i3 dual core has plenty of computing power for what I want it to do.

How does everything else look on the list?

>>59022771
>that could compete is being release soon is beyond me.
>could
I haven't had good experiences with AMD in my past so Ryzen coming out isn't a huge factor in my build

>>59022793
>wouldn't that increase the price of a mother board that allowed overclocking
B350 allow for overclocking and they start at $65
Face it, u dun goofed

>>59022793
We all remember Bulldozer, but this time there is actually a good chance it's decent since based Jim Keller worked on it and performance seems to actually be there.

>>59022826
he hasnt bought it yet u tard

>>59022845
Let him buy Intel
I want to feel his buyer's remorse on March 2nd

>>59022855
problem is ignorant consumers dont get buyers remorse, they just dismiss every argument to justify their purchase any way they can...

>>59022058
Where do I learn what are good and what are bad CAS timings? And how much of an impact do they have on performance?

>>59022826
>u dun goofed
I haven't bought it yet.

>>59022845
I've read into it just a little, but AMD is still AMD at the end of the day and the last AMD system I had went kaputz after 2 years. I still have a bad taste in my mouth from it.

>>59022855
What I'm worried about the most is probably my RAM choice cause I really don't get the CAS latency and whether or not it is so important.

Is anyone here running an NAS/Plex server? I'm just looking to stream to 2 devices (.mkv files @1080) at one time with this rig. I figure that will be the most intensive thing I do on this machine.

>>59022887
>they just dismiss every argument to justify their purchase any way they can
That IS buyer's remorse, you dunce. They do that because they're unable to accept the fact that they made a poorly-thought purchasing decision. And then they move to the anger stage...

>>59022908
Yet early adopter remorse doesn't concern you.

>>59022901
lower is better. cas 15 vs 16 is barely any difference but you can always get lower cas for the same speed ram for the same price if you actually check the specs first so why not

>>59022904
>the last AMD system I had went kaputz after 2 years
anecdotal evidence means nothing and it was most likely just bad luck.

but if we gonna go this way my dad still has my old 939 opteron rig humming along just fine on an lanparty nforce mobo and ddr1 ram.

>>59022908
i guess, but they dont admit that they have buyers remorse like a normal person.

>>59021513
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PW9Xd6
Is 550 watts enough for this build?

>>59022938
how often is that actually an issue?

>>59022967
yes

>>59022975
>how often is that actually an issue?
Drivers seem to come to mind often with video cards.

>>59022989
easily fixed eventually. but what about more serious things?

>>59023015
A graphics card that catches fire and ruins your mother board isn't an easy fix.

>>59023036
we're talking about how often that kind of stuff happens, not how big of an issue it is

>>59022943
Well the 3200 has CL16 and the 3000 has CL15 so I guess 3200 it is assuming the CL thing is the CAS thing.

>>59023049
Are you telling me all these memes I see about nvidia cards are all a lie now?

>>59023064
go back to school and learn how to read.

>>59023087
I really hope you're this guy >>59022826 especially after that reading remark.

memes aside will this work?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zrNWjc

>>59023108
sorry to crush your hopes you mentally retarded wankstain.

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>>59023132
>Warning: These parts have potential issues/incompatibilities
>will this work?

>>59023132
no, pick a compatible AIO

This whole thread is shit, starting with the OP

>>59023132
Haha

>>59023052
Timings will always to up with speed. Not an issue

>>59023292
that's what happens when people dont know how to read or have any sense when it comes to making logical consumer choices

i blame intel shills

so how better is an i7 compared to an i5?
AMDipshits need not answer

>>59023574
i7 is Ryzen-Lite
i5 is UnRyzen

>>59023574
i7 has more threads than i5.

>>59023382
Actually I was referring to the conversational shitposting, like the post you just made.

>>59023747
I guess we aren't really helping with this, are we?

>>59023574
2MB less L3$, no hyperthreading, and lower clock frequencies due to lower binning. Buy an i7 if you can. If not, buy a decent Z270 motherboard and the cheapest CPU you can get away with. Then when the next socket comes along, upgrade to an i7 used.

Or buy a Ryzen R3 1300X and a B350 for less than the price of a single i7-7700K, you turd.

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>>59023803
praise jim "pussy destroyer" keller

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is it too early to adopt nvme m.2?

about to pull the trigger on this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LYRCIPG/?tag=pcpapi-20

>>59023852
does your mobo support it?

>>59023860
still waiting on how ryzen turns out

but do plan on buying a mobo that supports full 3.2GB/s glory

>>59023906
NVMe seems to be the new standard and will have native support so I dont see any reason not to get one, apart from the high cost.

>>59023852
>>59023906
>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LYRCIPG/?tag=pcpapi-20
Wait until mainstream NVMe can fully saturate 4 lanes of PCIe Gen3 (about 2.8GB/s both ways). That's about two years away.

Since the 4560/4620 are better than an i3, what would be a step above these processors? an i5?

>>59023942
>2 years away
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/950-pro-review-samsungs-first-pcie-m-2-nvme-ssd-is-an-absolute-monster/2/

>>59024010
>Since the 4560/4620 are better than an i3
but that's wrong...

>>59021940
>>59021962

I'll be using a 1070, will I even get over 100FPS @ 1440p?

>>59024308
see >>59022466
it's not hard to get this fucking info

>>59024330

okay so no point getting a 144Hz monitor then

>>59024370
what the fuck are you on about? if you play games where you look around a lot it is absolutely worth it.

>>59024397
if you're not hitting 144fps then no it isn't

>>59024423
that's not how it works and if you have gsync or freesync it doesnt even fucking matter.

>>59024452
>that's not how it works

yes it is

>>59024465
lower your fucking settings from ultra to high then

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>>59024473

>shell out on a video card just to lower the settings

>>59021920
>>59024308

http://www.skycomp.com.au/asus-pg279q-27-ips-led-wqhd-16-9-2560x1440-4ms-165hz-100-srgb-dp-hdmi-kensington-lock-u.html

Get this so that when you upgrade your video card in the near future, you don't have to spend money on another monitor.

>>59024500

Should've waited for Vega lmao

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>>59024500
>implying you need 32x anti-aliasing on 1440p resolution
>implying you would even notice a significant difference between ultra and high
>implying g/free/sync doesnt makes the "fps/hz=same" a meme and a non-issue

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What should I upgrade next?
I have a GTX 1050 Ti coming in the mail so ignore the graphics.

>>59024555
>implying you would even notice a significant difference between ultra and high

>implying I wouldn't

>>59024586
show me your vision test signed by licensed optician

>>59024573
you should have gotten a better GPU.
if you had better mobo and unlocked CPU you could get a cooler and OC and be good for a while....

>>59024573
Should have gotten an RX 470. Similar price, better performance.

1060 or 1070 for dual 1440 monitors? I will only ever casually game on one.

>>59024628
>1060
>1440p
Are you autistic?

>>59024628
Price difference between 1060 6GB and RX480 8GB ?

>>59024638
This is really helpful. Thanks.

I've never seen anyone complain about 1440 on a 1060.

>>59024651
see >>59024330

>>59024666
Oh good. It doesn't say "absolutely will not work."

Fuck off.

>>59024686
how about you download more braincells and learn how to read a fucking benchmark graph you retarded motherfucker

>>59024697
I asked about dual monitors. You showed me a graph testing on a single monitor. I insinuated I don't game much. You showed me a graph testing FPS in various games.

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>>59024720
you said you game on a single monitor you stupid fuck

even a fucking integrated gpu can display on dual 1440p monitor

learn to ask a proper question next time

I7 6700 (not k)
Assrock h110 motherboard
Kingston hyperx 16gb of 2133mhz 14cl ddr4
Gigabyte r9 380 2gb oc
Sandisk plus 240 ssd
Seagate Barracuda 2tb HDD
Zelman z3 case

I bought it exactly year a go
Rate

>>59024736
Casually. Sorry nuance escapes you.

Have fun being an angry dipshit.

>>59024736
Learn to not be an angry retard. Go drink some bleach, you dumb fucking shit stain.

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>>59024748
7/10 bretty gud

>>59024761
so? i already answered that part, what is so fucking hard to understand? look at the fucking graph and compare the FPS for each card and resolution then make your own fucking decision.

>>59024771
topfuckingkek son, stop being so mad you stupid kid

>>59024748
Should have gotten the 4GB 380 unless you're planning to upgrade soon. 2GB is a stated minimum for new games.

>>59024628
Depends on what you want to play. If future games get the 1070

>>59024573
Monitor, but just return the 1050Ti and replace it with a 470 if you have a decent PSU

>>59024308
Yes

>>59024010
Better price/perf, not perf. Next step is wait for Ryzen

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202270

8GB RX480 Nitro $165+$5 shipping

I have a 7970 yet I'm tempted to get it. fuck.

>>59021571
You thought wrong.

>>59024932
do it

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1722?vs=1748

>>59024932
Wait for Vega (500 series) later this year, then upgrade. Your 7970 is still very serviceable

>>59024932
Any card named after an American Gladiator is worth a purchase.

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>>59022887
>>59022887
>>59022887
>>59022887
>>59022887
Underrated

>>59024807
Well I bought the 380 with idea of using it in different PC (phenom ii x4 955be) but it was bottlenecking the 380 so hard that I sold that PC few days later and build this system. If I knew from the beginning that I would get new PC i would have pay that little bit more for 4gb.

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>>59025042
not sure if serious due to that pic

>>59022309

How does this look now?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8qzGtJ

Guys, holy shit. Bits and pieces for my first ever build are starting to arrive and I be needing an hot-to guide from beginning to end of how to build the shit without frying anything. Hook me up?

>>59025107
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LfTVZ8

>>59025132
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIF43-0mDk4

>>59025132
Watch some videos on youtube. It really can't get any simpler than tightening a few screws and plugging things in.

>>59024951
>http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1722?vs=1748
Those are based off old benchmarks. The 7970 got like 15% better with driver updates. And mine is a non-reference one, the MSI Twinfrozr, which was way better than the others. It's really more like 390-390X performance.
I can clock it stable to about 1280mhz over the stock 925mhz.

Like, I could play For Honor at 60fps minimum underclocked to 910Mhz at 1920x1200 when benchmarks put them getting like 50fps average at 1080p. idk.

The main reason to upgrade would be lower power.

So yeah, I think I'll wait for Vega but damn.. what a deal.

>>59025085
it was serious. that's me laughing with my trap gf at how good it was.

>>59025205
>old benchmarks. The 7970 got like 15% better with driver updates
alright, might be worth waiting for vega then.

>it was serious.
thanks famalamadingdong

>>59021920

get the asus

>>59024958
It's so surreal to me that I bought this 7970 like 6 years ago and it still does 60+fps at 1920x1200 in most games.

I hope Vega gives me something that can do 100 fps stable at 3440x1440

>>59025298
i wish i had dosh back then and could have bought one

>>59025298
Vega likely will, since it will be a little better than the GTX1080. I sold my 280x (basically a rebrand of the 7970) for 190 before Polaris came out then bought the 470 for 200. Definitely a worthwhile upgrade from a heat/noise/power perspective. Performance hasn't been bad either since the 470 is clocked 1340.

Since you've already got a decent card, it's dfinitely worth the wait for Vega at this point, even if you're getting a 1080p card.

>>59025351
Maybe DX12 and Vulkan at least.

With 8GB HBM and 12.5TFLOPS, it seems like it should handle 3440x1440 100fps.
It was demoing at 60FPS at 4k in Doom
4k = 8,294,400 pixels
3440x1440 = 4953600pixels.
So almost half the pixels. Should do Doom at 100FPS at least and Doom looks great. So there will be no excuse for other games to not run 100FPS minimum at that resolution on that card.

>>59021513
Whats the best midtower case for under $100? No windows pls.

>>59025389
Doom is very optimized (thanks based Carmack) and isnt really a good comparison for how other games will perform since id software is one of the few that actually gives a shit.

>>59025413
depends on what features you're after.
noise dampening? dust filters? cable management? optical or drive bay? etc

>>59025438
>noise dampening?
yes
>dust filters?
yes
>cable management?
sure
>optical or drive bay? etc
no need

>>59025465
fractal design define C

>>59025389
IIRC it was in the mid 70s with an unlocked FR at 4K. Games like Overwatch would be no problem. You can always turn down settings slightly for a huge perf boost, too.

Personally I don't think DOOM looks that good. And open world games with halfway decent draw distance (like GR:Wildlands) will crawl with any card at a high res.

>>59025438
I don't think Carmack really worked on the new Doom.
iD just has very good software engineers in general.

>>59025413
Speaking of this, and make it under $300, what are good cases to wall mount, that's slim, and can fit a MicroATX (needing to drill/dremel some stuff is no problem)
Just the PC-05 comes to mind.

>>59025514
true, but i like to think it's a leftover from carmack's time there and he assembled the staff and told them to make shit run well.

>what are good cases to wall mount
i'd just get a sturdy shelf and put the case on it and use some kind of strap to hold it in place. really not a good idea to screw the chassi to the wall (cases are not built to handle this type of stress)

I currently have an i5 4570, my cpumark score is around 7718, which is higher or in pair with the I5 6500.

How much time do you think this processor will do the job for 1080p gaming, considering that I already got a 1060?

>>59025496
Yeah I said minimum. They said they were usually getting 70-80, and it showed that, but 60 *minimum*.

I want 100 minimum as well. I think 100hz is about the highest we'll see 3440x1440 monitors.
And 100fps is really perfectly fine for me. I just want it to be consistent.

Also, GR:Wildlands looks like fucking dogshit.
And draw distance shouldn't really hurt FPS much if it's optimized well.
Remember Quake Wars? That had some huge ass maps with large draw distance and it was nothing for computers at the time.
And Infinity: Battlescape? That has crazy draw distance and runs pretty alright, all things considered.

>>59025563
No lol I don't just want a case sitting on a shelf.
I want that wall-mount aesthetic.

Really even the PC-05 is a bit too thick at 133mm, 5.3".
Only need around 70mm to fit a SFX PSU + a bit of clearance.
Something around 380x380x80mm would be ideal.

My buddy has a rx 470 and wants to upgrade to the Ryzen shit when it comes out.
Any issues with getting the 1600x or should he get the 1400x?

>>59025576
cpumark is shit, look at real benchmarks of real world programs.

but it'll be fine for 1-2 more years at that resolution i bet

>>59025604
>No lol I don't just want a case sitting on a shelf.
>I want that wall-mount aesthetic.
doubt you'll notice a difference if you get the right shelf design plus you still have the feet of the case visible if you mount it too high.

there might be some custom cases available that's made to be wall mounted.

i would not recommend trying to mount a regular chassi straight to the wall.


>>59025625
ask again after we have real benchmarks

>>59025653
Eh you're not following.

It's about the case being designed to look good wall mounted, like the PC-05.
Slim, full tempered glass side, looks fine without a bottom, etc.

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>>59025692
oh alright.

maybe a fractal htpc case (has pci-e riser for gpu so you can see that better) and put a acrylic cover on top?

>>59025748
nvm im retarded, ull only be able to see the back of the gpu pcb unless you ghetto-rig a flexible pci-e ribbon

>>59025576
Probably until the PS4 Pro's successor

>>59025604
>huge ass maps with large draw distance
Not with the level of detail and foliage in current games

>>59025625
8 threads min

>>59025653
>but it'll be fine for 1-2 more years at that resolution i bet
CPU usage increases with framerate, not res

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>>59025891
lock your framerate to 30 and enable motion blur

>>59025779
with a longer ribbon I could loop it around behind the GPU to make it face.

The bigger deal is that I think it's ideal if the PCI- slot is more level with the motherboard so the GPU isn't rising up.

But yeah if there is a case like that without a glass side, I can just have a local glass shop make me a custom one. But I need to be able to mount mounting holes in there, and the side panel it's replacing needs to be the whole side, and it needs to look good with the panel off..

I don't think that case looks good enough with the panel off. It has that bar in the middle and would have screws in the chassis showing on the edges that the panel covers.

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already bought everything but the GPU and drives, took forever to find that the waterforce has a 140mm rad, i was worried i wouldn't be able to mount it in the back exhaust (still not sure cause tubing, but waiting to get everything else in the case to see what the fit looks like)
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Cryst/saved/4cpQ7P

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>>59025972
>bought last gen intel cpu 1 week before Ryzen announcement

>>59025958
why not get the pc-05 you mentioned?

>>59025988
yeah I'm on the edge of my seat for this one, my i5 3570 is showing some age and I just bought a 1060 this morning because my 280x decided to suddenly die on me.
Feels like there's some bottlenecking happening.

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>>59025972
>$2300+ and not even HEDT
>overpriced 1080 and AIO meme
>poorsair mech keyboard
>all this 2 weeks before Ryzen benches

Congrats, you win the JFMSU-tier build of the day.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/oznerol10/saved/FYrt6h
Help me /g/. I thought my build was done, but i have to get a new monitor. And because my build exceeds my budget by $100 USD. Please help me scale mpdown my price back down to 1500. AMDicks dont need to reply

When's the next best time for sales in the US? 4th of July?

>>59026176
Today you idiot. Presidents day

>>59026117
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gRjsPs

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>>59026020
$300 for a case that's not perfect is a shame.

I wish it was at least 30mm narrower.

But it's like... it seems to be the only case that looks decent wall amounted.

Here's the prototype I think it was? It had more of an open air gap and looks like it would have been easier to make it slimmer. I don't have the tools to, but I could have taken it somewhere.
They fucked it up with the production version, though.

>>59026117
>wait 2 weeks for Zen to come out
>$100 instant savings on your CPU/mobo combined

Even if you aren't buying AMD, you have no excuse.

>>59026230
I know. Im even waiting until april

>>59026221
buy a standalone mobo tray, make a mounting backplate that goes on the wall, attach mobo tray to that with a couple distancers and use a pci-e ribbon for the gpu and just custom brackets for all the parts with a SFX PSU and low profile CPU cooler

you could make something in google sketchup and send to a CNC / laser/water cutter

should be very slim and i think it's very do-able for $300.

>>59026230
dont tell anyone to buy ryzen before we have 3rd party benchmarks from reliable sources

>>59026298
The whole landscape will be different then.

>>59026299
Where did I tell him to buy it? Just saying anyone buying a CPU/mobo right now that is even remotely high-end should just wait and see what happens.

>>59026117
IVE DONE IT! SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO EVERYONE! Halfed my RAM from 32 to 16 and BOOM

>>59026299
I'd like to have dust filters and for it to look nice.

I do not like these wall mount builds that are just components on a flat boards that maybe have some glass attached above some risers.

>>59026299
>dont tell anyone to buy ryzen before we have 3rd party benchmarks from reliable sources
Nice you didn't even read their post.

>>59026360
>>59026117

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vxLqVY

Here's a build I threw together that pretty much shits on yours and I even included a legit new copy of Windows 10.

>>59026398
the mans done it... hes the greatest

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>>59026415

>>59026085
>overpriced 1080

I'd love to know what you think you mean when you say "overpriced." Just to amuse myself. So have at it. Explain.

>>59026360
your whole setup is still fucking retarded even if you half the ram you could save so much more and get almost identical performance and a far better monitor

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Jd8yZ8

>>59026381
you can still make it enclosed with filters and look nice.

>>59026350
>Nice you didn't even read their post.
>Where did I tell him to buy it?
my bad

>>59026398
>2011-3
zoz

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>order a bunch of parts from different websites due to the best sales PCpartpicker gave me on my list
>say "fuck it" and cancel all of the orders because I just want to buy it in bulk from newegg since I'm an indecisive fuck
>card keeps getting declined
>account is put on a hold
>this was on friday night
>can't call the bank to get everything cleared up until tuesday since they think there was suspicious activity on my account
>mfw ordering from newegg on any other day than monday

>>59026459
i havent checked but im pretty sure it's same clock speeds and $100 more expensive than another version

>>59026398
Whats the difference between tne Asrock extreme 3 and 4?
RAM slots?

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>>59026459
You're paying $180 more for a 76 MHz overclock that you can probably get out of the box with a base model. The AIO isn't going to matter in long gaming sessions because the thing is going to end up getting thermally throttled at a certain point anyway, it just may take a few more minutes. Just save your money and get a normal 1080 with a good air cooler. You also didn't mention what kind of monitor you're using.


>>59026495
>2011-3
>zoz
Problem?

>>59026585
what's intel's normal interval between the Extreme/Workstation sockets? i think they'll come out with a new one soon.

also it's a meh combo with the rx480

>>59026648
>it's a meh combo with the rx480
Was just trying to match his 1060 6 GB and add an okayish 1080p monitor to be fair. Spending any more at 1080p is iffy anyway.

The HEDT stuff has been lagging behind the mainstream releases at greater intervals as time goes on. Supposedly Skylake's will be coming soon but who knows.

>>59026580
Looks like less PCI-E 3.0x16 slots (3 vs 2). Possibly lower quality phases but that's just a guess. I mean they're within $20 of eachother so they're pretty similar.

>>59026196
He said next, I assume he knew about presidents day. Probably 4th of july or black friday. Are there summer sales? I forget.

>>59026709
dont some bigger sites have easter sales aswell?

Found a 1060 6GB used for $225, do I take it or try and haggle him down another 10%?

>MSI gaming M3 motherboard
>i5 6600k CPU
>1tb WD Hdd
>250gb Samsung ssd
>16gb corsair RAM
>gtx 1050ti
>evga 600W power supply

I'm not a hardcore gamer, but I figure it's enough to get me by for a while.

>>59027187
Why would you get a used 1060 when you can get a brand new RX480 8GB for that price?

>>59027261
What's your question? Read OP.

>>59027187
depends, is it a really nice card like the strix or gaming x, or is it a cheap zotac.

>>59027269
Literally go read OP, doesn't say you have to post a question you pleb.

>>59027337
why are you even posting in this thread?

>>59027187
What the fuck? You can get a new one for that price.

And you can get a new 8gb RX480 for $170 off newegg right now which is even better.

Like honestly I don't understand you fucks. Why's it so hard for you guys to go to newegg or something, select a card around your budget, and filter the cheapest ones?
You're beyond help, I don't know why I'm bothering.

>>59027358
Are you triggered, snowflake?

Anything wrong with Adata SSD's?

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>>59027509
Not that guy but seriously fuck off. You want a cookie for putting together some horseshit babby's first PC i5/1050ti build? At least link your pcpartpicker so we can comment on the price to see if you did alright for your stupid build.

>>59027509
thanks for participating in the thread, mr attention whore. see >>59027563


>>59027526
not as high quality as some of the other brands but in general nothing wrong with them.

Oh look, the "I come here once a week" Drakeposter is still here 6 hours later angrily sperging over every build posted.

>>59027688
oh look some random tard thinks he's clever by making a shitpost and sperging about someone that actually contributes

>>59027741
the fact you have that saved on your computer makes you more gay than me, buddy

>>59027756
How itchy is your neckbeard? Id stick around and argue but your mom is done with my dinner. Come out of the basement when you hungry, son.

>>59027756
Really witty retort, bud. It's a wonder you can't find anything better to do with your time.

>>59027756
So you are, in fact, gay?

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>>59027688
This nigga is still assblasted lmao.

>>59027526
They are alright. Not cutting edge but more than acceptable. I prefer Sandisk for cheaper SSDs but Adata has been around for a while too.

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>>59027775
I'll have to go to the water treatment plant and dig through their filters and ask my beard that I flushed, I'll get back to you in a couple days.

>>59027792
Likewise, at least I already spent some of my time doing useful stuff. Doubt a person that shitposts for a living has much going for them away from the screen.

>>59027822
Does touching my own dick make me gay?

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>>59021722
>implying companies dont ever change
>implying AMD cant be competitive when theyve dominated the market in the past
>implying its a bad idea to wait when a release is so close to see what the market looks like
>implying its an impossibility that prices could drop
>implying implications
>implying

>>59021513
If I am building on a wooden table with a table cloth and the floor is made of tile, do I still need an antistatic wrist band?
If so what do you recommend?

>>59027913
Best thing to do is put on socks, and rub your feet around on the carpet before touching your motherboard

>>59027913
no. just plug in the PSU to the wall but keep the switch off and just touch it before you touch something else

>>59027930
Right, how didn't I think of that

>>59027876
>I know you are, but what am I?

Don't you have some word problem worksheets to do, Aidan?

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>>59027966
No, I don't need that to talk with you. You already proved you're retarded when you implied I had to be gay after I said you were more gay than me.

You still are/have more of something even when I have zero of that something.

Class dismissed.

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>>59028005

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>>59028034
no you

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Building my second PC, i had no idea how much cheaper AMD was compared to intel for identical performance.

However, i haven't been to /g/ in many years, why is there a current contrarian consensus that waiting for the new architecture?

>>59028065
>i had no idea how much cheaper AMD was compared to intel for identical performance.
this is just not true at the moment.

>why is there a current contrarian consensus that waiting for the new architecture?
because it's a new architecture, previous release has just been improvements on old arch, and it's highly likely to be very competitive.

GUYS I FELL FOR THE AIO MEME

1080p 144hz monitor or 1440p 144hz paird with a 1070?

>>59028245
Depends on the size. 24" or smaller 1080p. Larger, 1440p.

>>59028122
Every benchmark i'm seeing indicates that while gaming performance, which i don't do, is more or less on average a 10% difference in intel's favour, practically every CPU intensive application or software is given a significant, usually doubly so, improvement in performance for the same price with intel.

So, either this dichotomy fanboyism has caused actual brain damage or this is a great buy.

>>59028296
Any recommendations on either?

>>59028374
I have the ASUS VG24QE or whatever. 1080p. It's good, had it for about 2 years now.

Honestly I'm bothered by the fact that 1440p monitors can't upscale 1080p content perfectly and I already have a larger 27" 1080p monitor that I sit back quite a bit from for comfy gaming/watching stuff. I'll eventually replace it with 4K HDR when that's available.

My 6870 just died, any recommendations for a budget GPU? Can be refurbished/used too.

>>59028470
4GB 470 or used 970
Failing those, GTX 1050

>>59028484
>GTX 1050
At least get the 1050ti, but fuck that Newegg had the 4gb RX 480 Sapphire for $180.

>>59028470
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202270&cm_re=SAPPHIRE_NITRO%2b_Radeon_RX_480-_-14-202-270-_-Product

>>59028484
whats a good price for a used 470 or 970?

>>59028516
in yurop (Germany)

>>59028245
What games do you play?
Will you be using multiple monitors?
Will this be your primary screen that you watch chinese cartoons/movies and stuff from?
Will the rest of your build bottleneck the 1070 in any way?

>>59028558
>used 470
too new of a GPU to find used at a good price.

Honestly, what is your budget?

>>59028604
I would say under 150 yuros

>>59028493
No

>>59028558
ebay of course

>>59028628
Used 970 is your best bet

>>59028591
>What games do you play?
I'm playing Doom right now.
>Will you be using multiple monitors?
Yes, but I can run the others from my integrated graphics. (I have a Dell SE2216H which is ok, and a ASUS VP228 currently.)
>Will this be your primary screen that you watch chinese cartoons/movies and stuff from?
No, i'll use one of the other monitors or my LG tv for that.
>Will the rest of your build bottleneck the 1070 in any way?
I don't think so. Pic related is my specs.

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>>59028650
Forgot pic i'm tired.

Will Ryzen finally make the 2500K/3570K obsolete? What is the best PC build per dollar? What's the point where you start to get diminishing returns?

>>59028122
>this is just not true at the moment.
Eh it is. An FX 9350 is only $180. That's the same price as an i3-7350k which is a 2core.
Is the single core performance as good? No, but it's got 4 times the cores and a higher clock.

In the $120-$200 range AMD is actually good for budget PCs.
But lower than that, and you're better off getting the $60 Intel G4400.
Higher than that, you're better off getting an i5-7600k or i7-7700k.

>>59028065
Because the newer ones have 60%+ higher IPC, and at least 80% higher performance per watt.
The cheapest $129 processor is probably going to be as good performance as the $180 FX 9350 and btfo the Intel i3s.

>>59028470
You can get a new 8GB RX480 for $170 off newegg right now.

I think there were also 470s for like $80.

>>59028715
I'm honestly really shocked, i'm looking at the rendering performance of the fx 8350, and multitasking performance, and for the price it seems to be raping intel.

But looking around for info on the newer CPU's, and these new skylake CPU's, has given me a pretty severe case of the rage induced diarrhoea so frequent with this level of autism.

>>59028650
Oh. Doesn't the RX480 do as well in Doom as the 1070 for half the price?

>>59028761
I'll play more games but I bough a 1070 because I got a decent tax refund this year and can afford a decent monitor too.

>>59027913
I built my computer on a medium-thick carpet floor on top of a piece of cardboard. I think you'll be fine.

>>59028746
Yeah but that's JUST in things like rendering and blah blah.

The FX 8350 or 9350 will do okay in modern game engines, like on Gears of War 4, RE7, and so on. Especially console ports using DX12. But its per core performance is like that of the G4400.

Yeah it's good value for a workstation card, but it'll be choked trying to get over 60FPS or 120FPS depending on the game engine.
But if 60FPS is good enough for you and you want the extra chrome and rendering and so on performance, it was actually a good buy the past 3 years.

But Ryzen is even better. Ryzen is like a 50-65% performance increase (though they're a bit more expensive, you save that much money in a year or two off your power bill from how much more energy efficient they are, and more modern motherboards)

So yeah, buying an FX 8350 3 years ago wasn't really something of a mistake. It was okay. AM3+ was alright in general and not the dumpster fire that Bulldozer was. But now Ryzen is almost here and it's godly.

>>59028799
Well, i'm not planning on using it to play modern games, quite frankly. None of them interest me, and none of them seem to be optimised well enough to play enjoyably on anything that's not rocking at least an i7 4770 and a fucking 1080 titan.

I'm building a cheap, cheap as i can, PC, that'll mostly be used as a general purpose desktop and occasionally to play some older games.

And for 250 bucks (Dollarydoos) the 8350, unless anyone wants to correct me, really does seem to fit the bill.

Will a 25" monitor scrunch 1440p?

I was interested in a monitor, it's a great price but it's also 25" instead of 27". It's IPS.

>>59028843
I think you should wait and get a 1600.

For $229 its 6cores and 12 threads will outperform the 8c/8c FX 9350 at half the TDP and wattage.

>>59028869
And when does that come out? Can't find anything online.

>>59028843
Buying an 8350 right now is a horrible, horrible mistake. The anon above is spot on. Even if you aren't interested in modern games there's zero reason to buy one now that even lowly Kaby Lake Pentiums have hyperthreading for like $60 and give you an upgrade path.

How much rendering do you do? You're about 2 years too late for an FX-8350 to make any sense.

>>59028896
None whatsoever m8.

>>59028908
The only conceivable reason you'd buy an 8350 is that you do lots of highly threaded CPU tasks like rendering and you're too poor to afford anything else.

The 8350 will be 5 years old in October and its based off of even older Bulldozer tech. It's ancient technology. Avoid.

>>59028951
Well i'm doing some reading on that now from Intel and AMD's website, and apparently since my absence from computing, which has been 3 years, a lot has changed in regards to architecture.

I'd really love to pay 250 dollars for a fucking i5 6400, though.

>>59028692
>Will Ryzen finally make the 2500K/3570K obsolete?
Yes, but those chips are already "obsolete" if you force them out of their 4 thread comfort zone so that's a loaded question.

>>59028858

nah 25" is perfectly fine

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So, buying a new PC. Two choices, the i5 7400, or the 6500.

The 6500 is 50 dollars more expensive than the 7400 where i'm buying it, yet they seem, specs wise and performance wise, practically identically. What's the go.

>>59029035
Don't buy that, they both suck. The 7400 barely outperforms a i3.

Either go for a i3 system, save some money for similar multi threaded performance and much better single thread

Or save up for a 6600/7600

Or wait 2 week for Ryzen and get a quad for i3 prices or a hexa for i5 prices

>>59029072
I wish i could trust you, /g/. I really do.

So, when's these ryzen's coming out. Also, everyone keeps saying "THIS SHITS ALL OVER X" and then the performance difference end's up being 3fps in a video game or 12 seconds on a render.

>>59028985
>Yes, but those chips are already "obsolete" if you force them out of their 4 thread comfort zone so that's a loaded question.

Let me rephrase it like this, you Mr. Every Single Dev Is Great With Optimization.

Is the difference between Q6600 and the 2500k the same size as a 2500k and whatever AMD made with Ryzen?

>>59029083
>>59029072
Sorry, not when, actually you answered the other question as well. I just misread it. My fault.

>>59029035
>>59029072
>>59029083


Ryzen should be out sometime in March. I'd personally wait to see what happens, and to see if certain retailers start discounting current Intel chips. I actually bought an i7-7700K for the price of an i5 earlier this month, and have no regrets.

>>59028890
less than 2 weeks. I'm surprised you can't find it.

That is why everyone is saying not to buy a CPU/Motherboard now. Ryzen is going to change everything more than any hardware release in the past 6 years.

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>>59029101
Ya know what that actually sounds like a pretty good idea, i didn't realize AMD were coming out with their new chips so soon.

As much as this place gives me a headache, i appreciate you guys.

>>59029083
Isn't a $340 i7-7700k like 1:36 in the Blender render test and the $390 1700X 0:36?
That's almost 3 times faster.

If you don't trust /g/, why not look at other forums and sites?

I've looked at some hardware sites that have a poll like "Will your next PC be Ryzen or Intel?" and they're like
-85% Ryzen
-5% Intel
-10% don't know yet
And that's before the press embargo is over to get the solid benchmarks. It's just leaks now.

>>59029131

there are also new kabylakes coming out like an i5 with hyperthreading - so it's a bad call to buy an intel cpu at this time

>>59029126
Yea i just looked up some of the leaked benchmarks. Looks pretty impressive.

>>59029143
I would agree, i appreciate the help.

>>59029091
Maybe not quite that large of a jump but pretty close to it. It will be about 20-25% faster than the 2500k clock for clock in single threaded tasks.

>>59029126
>Ryzen is going to change everything more than any hardware release in the past 6 years

Hopefully. I just hope all the leaked becnhmarks and prices are actually legitimate.

>>59029161
I don't think AMD are competent enough with social media to realise faking leaks would be beneficial to them.

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How do you know if your CPU is damaged or if a core is faulty?

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>>59029161
Even if they're 5% less good than they look from the leaks, which is probably the worst case.


Like you have to understand that if someone at AMD didn't decide to scrap K10 and start over with Bulldozer, which sucked ass, and instead they applied the one improvement in it to K10, and then the piledriver improvements on top of that, making basically a Phenom 3, it probably would have come out in fucking 2010, a year before Sandy Bridge, and been less than 10% behind the IPC of Sandy Bridge.
Instead they started over with Bulldozer, which had a 20% LOWER IPC than K10, almost 40% lower than Sandy Bridge, and it was heavily delayed BECAUSE THEY WERE FUCKING STARTING OVER and it sucked and they had to make it not suck before finally giving up and releasing it anyway because they wasted so much R&D they could have spent improving K10.

Zen is basically what Phenom IV would have looked like, because Jim Keller came back, told everyone what retards they were for making Bulldozer instead of improving K10.

Zen looks just like a K10 chip with 4 cores per CCX instead of 2 and even more cache. It has a lot of improvements that were added to Bulldozer by Piledriver, Steamroller, etc, but it looks like they were added to a K10 instead of Bulldozer.

When you understand "gee if you take all those improvements added to Bulldozer to make them suck less, and instead add them to K10 on a 14nm process, yeah you're looking at something that's around Broadwell" it's easy to understand that there's no magic, it's simple, AMD just fucked up and now they're correcting their mistakes and that's what correcting their mistakes looks like.
While, at the same time, Intel has stagnated and has been overpriced as shit. Zen is like a 15% smaller die so the low price is believable when you factor in smaller die = cheaper, and not overpricing like intel jews = even cheaper

>>59029168
>>59029168
>>59029168

>>59029083
Doesn't really matter what /g/ says, because Ryzen is so close to release, even if you hate AMD you might as well just wait another couple weeks and see. 14 days isn't a lifetime

>>59029155
More like a 30 % jump, it's very close to skylake.

But in multithreaded it's a 50-90% jump in the performance from Kaby lake in the 250-400$ (i5-i7) price range

>>59028650
If you play FPS games, get the 144hz monitor.

144hz is not a meme, it is night and day once you use it.
You sacrifice the color accuracy and viewing angles for extremely fluid movement and faster response time. It is worth it imo. It looks better to me to have 144 frames than better colors.

>>59029680
144hz is massive over 60fps, but I don't think it's a big deal over 100hz.

But if FPS is your main thing, and you have hardware to run it, then 144hz can make a deal over 100hz in them.

I remember back in the day on my CRT my first PC played UT at like 100-120FPS. When I got up to 150fps it wasn't much difference to me, but it might be to other. But from 60 to 100 is a massive as fuck difference in a fast paced FPS.

Hey pcbg, I need some spare cash, so I'm planning to sell my 970 and get a 1050ti instead. I don't really play games anymore, other than some CSGO and FFXIV. Would that be alright?

>>59029885
Wait 6 months Ryzen Vega APUs instead. That'd be even cheaper.

You could sell your whole "gaming PC" for like $600 and make a Raven Ridge system for like $350-$400 that could be be better than the 1050Ti.

Should I care about M.2 SSD heat if it's mounted on the back of the motherboard against the motherboard tray? I don't think I'll be doing any huge writes or transfers.

what can happen if PSU fails?
worst thing - it will fry components, can modern PSU even do that?
light thing - it just will start rebooting PC out of nowhere

anything in the middle? is slight ripple dangerous or is it only OC problems?

>>59030809
Figuring out that the PSU is failing is the hardest thing.

Are all 3 pin DC fans controllable through the motherboard if the mobo supports it?
Or do I need spesific fans?

>>59031457
you need 4 pin fans and 4 pin fan outputs on motherboard

>>59031476
Im not talking about pwm but voltage.My mobo supports both im asking if all 3 pin voltage fans are controllable or do I need specific ones?

>>59031457
>>59031491
Yes it'll work but results will vary. All fans have different start voltages required to spin up and may have motor hum or other odd noises at lower voltage.

>>59031533
I see

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My current build:
>6700k
>980ti
>Corsair H100i aio w/cooler
>Define R5 case
other crap is irrelevant

I want to sidegrade to a smaller ITX case and also try to reduce noise in my system, while keeping similar performance (or only a minor performance reduction)

My plan:

>Lian Li PC-Q37
>Asus ROG Strix Z270i gaming
>Silverstone 700W SFX-L psu
>Noctua D9L tower cooler
reusing cpu, gpu, storage, ram, etc

I will populate all four 120mm fan mounts in the case with high quality low RPM fans and (Hopefully) try to run the heatsink with no fan. A major force for this new build is to make it more cosmetically pleasing as well as quieter, and I have a boner for nickel plated twin towers with no fans.
I was just wondering if I can expect to take a big performance hit by downgrading to a tower, I currently run my 6700k at 4.7Ghz 1.35v with the H100i. Do you think the passive airflow will be enough? It's a small case and the air will be constantly moving through.

>>59031543
Don't go without the fan, just don't. Set it to minimum rpm at least.

>>59031543
>Define R5 case

what's bad about it?
thinking about getting one, cooling is not an issue in this case sicne you are willing to got ITX

>>59031587
Why not? I've seen people do it before.
As long as the fan profiles for the case fans are set up to never turn off there will be a constant flow of air over the heatsink

>>59031677
You're way overestimating that airflow, you'd need all the fans on 100% just to keep it from shutting down under moderate load. That is a very small heatsink and isn't the best performer even with the fan attached. Anyone with an ITX build will tell you managing heat is a big issue.

>>59031677
density of air is not that high to work on this basis inside even small case, warm air will stay near fins

>>59031663
There's nothing wrong with it at all (apart from the fact that the power button is just big enough for my cat to press if he steps on it)
There's just a lot of unused space, 5.25" bays I never use, 6 unused hdd bays, etc.
I just want something smaller and I really like the dual chamber design of the Lian Li, all the cables are completely hidden

>>59031663
I was sort of in the same situation, going from an R5 to an ITX case. Kind of a sucker for "premium build quality" and the R5 doesn't really have that.

>>59031736
>>59031710
>"premium build quality"
don't really care, I will build and forget about it for two months before dusting
I like it because it has removable whole front stack and included sound dampening and 140mm fans - on paper it looks very good, that's why I asked if it has any underwater stones.
Thanks.

>>59031698
>>59031708
ok then I'll be cautious. I will experiment with it and see if I can make it work.

>>59021513
Is there any reason to have ATX mobo and case in the current year?

How bad of an idea is using two completely different RAM sticks, and is there anything I need to look out for before buying the second stick?

>>59032342
Fine as long as speed/timings/voltage are the same.

>>59028339
>http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1289?vs=1826
really makes your neurons activate

>>59028715
too bad AMD doesnt have anything high-end at all and it's a fucking dead socket.
only a fucking moron would buy old AMD shit now.

>>59032251
more expansion slots

>>59032342
no issues 99% of the time.

>>59032352
you dont even need this you tard, the faster stick will run at the slower stick's speed.

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count the fans!

>>59032754
10?

>>59032754
8? That's smalltime.

>>59032758
close, 9
waiting to get a molex splitter to install a 10th somewhere at the top

>>59032754
>But Moooooooooooom, I need a mid-tower

>>59032767
gonna upgrade once Ryzen comes out

>>59032763
you dont have 2 on the GPU? or are you not counting the PSU?

>>59032774
You are right my bad, i wasn't counting the PSU

Is an i3 6100 paired with Radeon RX 470 4GB the best budget PC build to date?

Best used budget GPU?
under $100
r9 370?
under $75
r7 360?

Anything else?

>>59032798
no, read OP's post.

>>59032799
save up for a rx470

>>59032806
>Consider a G4560
It's a lot cheaper, are they really on the same level performance-wise?

>>59032806
a G4560 with an AMD card is an extremely stupid thing to do, unless you plan to upgrade to a better processor very soon. AMD cards are still dogshit with weak CPUs, the G4560 is as such pretty damn worse than an i3 when paired with an AMD cards.

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I know the Strix cards are bad, but I get the new ghost recon from jewvidia PLUS another game of my choice from asus on top of it. Also, I have two screens with only HDMI inputs and asus makes the only cards with 2 HDMI outputs.

Can anyone confirm reliably that the Asus 1070 Dual shuts the fans off in idle? Because I'd much rather get that if it does.

>>59032813
too spendy

I want budget used, ideally under $75

>>59032832
This is what i suspected and why i think the best deal for me is RX470 paired with an i3.

>>59032830
>>59032832
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTuPSMthgic

Is this the best CPU for an AM3 socket?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B009O7YUF6/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B009O7YUF6&linkCode=as2&tag=thedaionl-21

I think so.

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>>59032872
>2017
>buying AM3 one week before AM4 socket release

>>59032881
No one is giving me a free new motherboard next week. I want something I can use.

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>>59032853
>>59032832
If i choose to buy an RX470 and either the G4560 or i3, will it fit on my motherboard Acer Aspire TC-105 (P0)?

Pic related are my current shitty specs

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>>59032881
>2023
>buying AM7 one decade before AM11 release

>>59032251
>Expansion slots
>more front panel connectors
>5.25" bays
>more HDD bays/sata devices
>multiple LAN ports
>multiple M.2 slots
>more RAM slots
>better on board audio
>better airflow/cooling

>>59032905
>2190

>buying cerebral cortex expansion 56 when cerebral expansion 57 is only five years away

You must only be using cerebral extension 20 to be this dumb.

>>59032896
Tons of people will be selling their old AM3/+ shit when Ryzen hits the stores and prices will plummet for your socket CPUs.

>>59032904
>what is socket compatability - the post

>>59032931
>Tons of people will be selling their old AM3/+ shit when Ryzen hits the stores and prices will plummet for your socket CPUs.
That literally never happens.

I want to upgrade to a 4790k, can't find a used one under 280 bucks in the current year 2017.