/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Reminder to wait until Ryzen (release in 2-3 weeks) has real benchmarks released before you buy a new CPU.

>>59009053
Yeah I was actually looking for /pcbg/ to ask this.

I'm coming from a fx 8300 which is bottle-necking everything like crazy. I'm looking at an i5 Kraby Lake build, but I figure I can hold out for a few more weeks because prices for even Intel stuff may fluctuate.

Although, even if Ryzen is actually great, no doubt that compatible mobos will be limited and very expensive to the point of Ryzen not even being worth it until late in the year.

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>"building"

>>59009268
>Although, even if Ryzen is actually great, no doubt that compatible mobos will be limited and very expensive to the point of Ryzen not even being worth it until late in the year.
Mobos were already finished for CES and will more than likely be more available than Ryzen chips.

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>>59009025
>Building

>>59009308
I still imagine they will be price gouged for a little while, as will the chips.

>>59009357
intel 2xx (kaby lake) werent and all the same brands will have ryzen mobos so i highly doubt it

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>>59009303
>>59009314
>anime reactions

I'm not buying Ryzen until there's a motherboard with ECC support.

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>>59009025
>building

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>>59009387
>non-anime reaction

Would I be able to control my case fans if they are 3pin with a y splitter?Mobo supports both voltage and pwm.

>>59009452
Yes. PWM allows lower speeds though.

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>>59009387
>comes on an anime site
>complains about anime
you have a room temperate IQ anon. I suggest a suicide so you can (hopefully) respawn as someone who's not retarded. Reroll and good luck.

>>59009519
Another thing.
Mobo sys fan is 4 pin but ill buy 3pin since thats what my case fans are.
it will still work controling them right?

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1. pick out a mobo to complete this build (4-dimm and under $100 is preferred)
2. should I wait for ryzen
3. besides the cooler, case, psu, and gpu (already in my current build), what would you change

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rzZqVY

>>59009603
Your motherboard will probably have an option to control the fans via DC voltage rather than PWM.

>>59009633
Its this one.
http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-B250M-DS3H-rev-10#kf
Is it in the bios?didnt see anything about Dc or pwm

>>59009611
>should I wait for ryzen
yes

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/W9tN9W

>>59009657
Yes.

>>59009025
Shit OP

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This came today. It's nice but a total meme. If anyone wants I'll do a write-up.

>>59010295
Were you the guy that was asking about it a while back?

>>59010314
Yeah. I haven't noticed any vibrating of the tray at all that the one guy mentioned. It's all on rubber washers and shit. There's a couple other issues with it though like the drive cage screws feeling like they're being stripped when you put them in and out though they seem to be working okay.

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>>59010295
Pardon the cable mess, did a quick and dirty job because it's getting gutted in a month for the rest of my new build. This is with the window on btw, flash goes right through it.

>>59010477
why is your CPU fan on the left side...

>>59010524
>>>/g/guts

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Should I buy an RX 470 this week, /g/?

>>59009421

>>59010533
You ask that like it honestly matters,there's no difference in temps. IIRC it's because of the fan cable. Made it neater to have it wrapped around the fan and the header is on that side at an almost perfect length. Kinda got messed up in the transfer though.

>>59010590
looks retarded and you could probably get better temps if the back fan is intake if you dont want to change it

>>59010605
>looks retarded and you could probably get better temps if the back fan is intake if you dont want to change it
Only because you're used to seeing them on the the right side.

>better temps
I doubt that. Or do you think I didn't flip the fan around to make it flow the right direction? It's still going front to back across the heatsink.

>>59010639
im talking about the fucking case fan you retard.

>>59010670
I know. But I don't see how flipping it around to be intake would do anything to affect the temps of my CPU since the fan on the heatsink is still in a front to back configuration. If I flipped the exhaust fan around it would be fighting the CPU fan.

>>59010590
>>59010533
I have my fan in pull for clearance and the only real difference is noise. If the fan is 100%, it sounds like a plane taking off. The extra thick pads Noctua included fixed this though.

https://youtu.be/NXodAUMqaAQ?t=1m49s

>>59010687
flip the fucking heatsink fan around aswell then you tard

>>59010726
>I don't like this thing
>this thing doesn't hurt me in any way
>this thing doesn't affect the performance in any way whatsoever either
>I'm going to keep calling anon a retard until he changes it though

That's some weapons grade autism there, friend.


>>59010714
I never need them above like 50% anyway and it's a Cougar fan so it's quiet as fuck.

>>59010670
>Unfiltered intakes

>>59010714
>I have my fan in pull for clearance
Oh and I remember that this was the reason for mine now. It was interfering with my RAM.

>>59010564
Why not the 480? Better card for not that much more money.

is a 1070 overkill for 1080p?
I can get one on sale for not much more than a rx480.
I would ask if it would be good for future proofing but
>future proofing
>nvidia

>>59010808
I just got a 1070. Barring any fuckery in a year or two with drivers, it's perfect if you don't want to upgrade for another few years.

>>59010845
yeah but for $550 aushitter funbux I'd hope to get some millage out of it.
I still feel bad for my friend who dropped serious money on two 780tis the week before the 900 series dropped, those things did not have good longevity.

>>59010778
ah you're right, it's hardly even $40 more. Might as well do that, thanks anon.

>>59010867
Yeah, I just upgraded from a 7950. Four years and still going strong, I only really upgraded because new job and decent amounts of extra money. If it lasts that long I'll be happy though the 7950 was amazing for the price. Got it like three weeks before the bitcoin explosion when they were ~$200.

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>>59010768
>buying ram with fuckhuge heatsinks

>>59010748
nigga you moved the convo to this not me

Any major price drops coming soon due to new releases?

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>>59010917
>nigga you moved the convo to this not me
No, no I didn't. You asked why it was like that and then told me to start flipping my fans around in ways that make no sense.

quick question, SeaSonic M12II 750 or EVGA SuperNOVA 750 B2

exact same price. or save for the g3 750? just gaming and work.

>>59009025
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gRXhd6
Is this fine? I'll probably get the FTW2 instead of the FTW 1070.

Recently brought a 1060 and waiting on ryzen to decide what CPU to get, problem is my PSU is a Corsair CX 430, should I upgrade it or is it fine for now?

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http://pcpartpicker.com/user/MitchDevano/saved/fZnXLk

The only thing I'm adding is another 2 sticks of 4, same brand, and the graphics card. Will this work for games like rust or witcher 3?

>>59010929
no, i said it's retarded and you claimed it wouldnt make a difference. i guarantee it would if you flip the back case fan around and make the cpu fan blow that fresh air over the heatsink

it might not be much but that air is closer to ambient than the air that traveled some distance from the front to your heatsink (which btw has less airflow cus it's only pulling air through).

try me faggot

>>59010935
you can get a fully modular gold psu for $70 and why do you need 750W?

>>59010980
>bought 1060
>cx430
>thinks he can decide on what CPU to buy before ryzen is even released and benchmarked with real tests
oh boy what a clusterfuck

Sapphire RX 480 4gb any good? Can't get MSI.

>>59011026
cheaper than the 650w models. what's a fully modular gold psu for $70 that's highly rated?

>>59011026
I brought that 4 years ago dumbfuck, been upgrading parts for the last few months

>thinks he can decide on what CPU to buy before ryzen is even released and benchmarked with real tests

are you retarded? I said I'm waiting to decide which to get

>>59011044
If it's cheaper than the 650w models then it's not actually going to be able to hit the same real outputs that the 650w will hit. That's a theoretical cap and it's likely far less efficient and has worse power connectors than the 650w model.

>>59011014
>filling all dimm slots
>not buying a kit of as many sticks he wants
>last generation cpu and mobo
>not even z170 so he can OC the CPU for free performance
>two 240GB SSDs that each cost as much as a single 500GB SSD
>skimping on PSU
>gtx1060
>optical drive in current year
oh wew

>>59011056
>i said im waiting
then why teh fuck are you asking for what to buy before release

>>59011044
seasonic sx650 or evga g2/nex 650

>>59011077
>problem is my PSU is a Corsair CX 430, should I upgrade it or is it fine for now?

>>59011059
i'm just curious about the brands. it's the same efficiencies it's just how the sales are working(that the 750 is cheaper/equal price than the 650 because of a sale while the 650 isn't on sale.)

>>59011038
Get Sapphire or XFX.

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>>59011113
XFX is out of stock, looks like it's the Sapphire then.

>>59011077
>free performance
>Intel K-series upcharge
>Cost of a Z170 board
>Cost of a decent cooler
>free

>>59011026
>it might not be much but that air is closer to ambient than the air that traveled some distance from the front to your heatsink (which btw has less airflow cus it's only pulling air through).
It will literally be less than a degree of difference according to many, many people who have tested this. Or you know. A standard deviation of any actual test. It makes literally no appreciable difference and as another anon pointed out, it would be absolutely fucking retarded to flip the exhaust fan around into an intake when it's not filtered in an otherwise completely filtered case.

My idle temperatures right now are nearly ambient and it has never caused any issue under load despite an 800Mhz OC. You're full of shit and bitching about things you obviously have no actual knowledge of.


>>59011077
>>optical drive in current year
You really are a retard, aren't you?

>>59011077
You're asking him to pay more money for a CPU that's unlocked and a motherboard with an OC supportive chipset and calling it "free performance", read what you type before submission anon. There's also nothing wrong with buying a last-gen CPU if you don't need current gens, low power draw, low maintenance and cheap. Don't buy new just because it's new.

>>59011102
you'll be fine but i'd update it later

>>59011127
>>59011158
you can get a z170 for $90-100
you can OC non-K CPU.
decent cooler is around $30
you'll be saving money in the long run

or, you know, you could just fucking wait for ryzen instead of buying old locked shit at intel premium price but i guess goys gonna be goys

>>59011142
are you implying bluray isnt optical?

what's the best case that isn't 200$+?

>>59011175
fractal, nzxt, cooler master, corsair, all make super good cases under 150 and most under 100

>>59011175
Whatever cheap, ugly shit that /pcbg/ loves to recommend.

>>59011174
>are you implying bluray isnt optical?
I'm implying you're an idiot if you think there's no reason to have an optical drive. A Bluray one might be a bit excessive if he's not archiving tons of shit but everyone that does anything more than use their PC as a facebook machine should have at least a USB CD drive.

>>59011175
>what's the best car that isnt $1m+ ?

>>59011201
i havent used an optical drive in almost a decade

get up to date, gramps

>>59011175
Jeez, there's so many anon. Be more specific, black or white, sidepanel or no, how much cable room are you looking for, optical drive support or no, 3.5" support/SSD mount trays, general cabling and clearance flexibility you want, PSU shielding, etc.

>>59011219
>I don't need this, therefore no one needs this

>>59011219
anon, not everyone is an unproductive NEET

>>59011175
What's your actual budget?
Rice or no, if yes how much rice?
Size? mATX, mid tower, full tower, mITX?
What are you using it for?

>>59011230
mate how can you not see the blatant shitposting holy shit you're fucking retarded. its 5am im going to bed cya fags and please try to not feed any more ok?

>>59011245
you forgot
>sound dampening
>dust filters
>top/bot mount
>box or tower or htpc
>cable management

>>59011241
indeed, so why would you use a slow piece of shit optical drive when you could use something superior and be productive with your time?

Any reason not to buy manufacturer refurbished monitors?

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>>59009025
My new PC that I just finished today!
All criticism is welcome!!

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>>59011411
Some specs are unreadable. So here is the original image.

>>59011411
fuck off >>>/g/guts

>>59011477
I posted specs and asked for criticism, but thanks.

>>59011503
this is advice thread not post-purchase commentary thread, fuck off

>>59011503
What are you going to do, replace everything we roast you about?

>>59011542
I will consider making changes based off of unbiased critiques.

>>59011411
What's with the super gay stickers?

>>59011422
>k cpu
>b250 motherboard
Why?

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>>59011537
>this is advice thread
You dont have to be a dick to him/her

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>>59011422
>>59011600
>unknown ram

>>59011639
kek

>>59011600
Newegg had a sale, and the K edition was $10 cheaper than the normal i5 7600.

>>59011600
>>59011589
It's actually a prebuilt and he's just trying to fit in.

>>59011639
I can't believe this meme was born at my university.

And I also can't believe shitty memes like this exist.

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>>59011659
>VR Ready sticker
oh fuck you're right

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>>59011657
Speccy is retarded, its Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200MHZ.

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How much longer til GPU price drops?

>>59011683
nuh uh.

>>59011411
>I just finished!
someone else clearly finished that a long time ago, anon

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>>59011659
>>59011683
>It's actually a prebuilt.
Nope.

>>59011777
Sorry for shaky camerawork, but I just finished installing the LED's today. If you want to be technical, it was "finished" yesterday night, but with no LED's

>>59011777
Welp trips dont lie

>>59011777
Yeah, they were nice enough to send you the component boxes. They did that for me too.

>>59011777
Then you're dumber than we thought

>>59011777
Well, shitty stickers are certainly better than a prebuild.

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>>59011831
>>59011829
I also have receipts, and fedex shipping info for the other components if you want.

>>59011014
>Will this work for games like rust or witcher 3?
Yes, but you won't be maxing out The Witcher 3 without a 980 or 1080.

Also, for $30 you can get a ridiculous increase in performance.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tdZqVY

I assumed there was a reason you went with stupidly expensive SSDs and an ugly cube case, so I kept those.
You could save a lot if you just went for $70 drives instead.

>>59011014
Yeah, you should be getting 60+ fps the whole time in Witcher with a couple of sliders toned down a little, while the game still looks great.

Can adding to CPU over voltage possibly decrease chances of CPU throttling?

>>59011995
you should find out why it throttles first

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Will the "WD Black 256GB Performance SSD - 8 Gb/s M.2 2280 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive - WDS256G1X0C" work with my "ASRock H81M-HDS" on its PCIe x1 slot through some sort of riser or adapter?

>>59012063
RTFM

>>59009545
>>>/a/

>>59012110
Where can I find it?

>>59012218
in your fucking motherboard box or their website

>>59012232
Where do I find my motherboard box?

I've got a 7970 GE.

I game at 1080p. Is upgrading to a 1060/480 worth it?

I get pretty good performance but the noise and power draw are insane.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PZByZ8

This is my current build. Is it worth upgrading or should I build a new one? I need a gaming PC that can handle large raids/battle grounds. My ram seems to be at max usage and I doubt my gpu can handle these new games. I've a budget around 1000€

How is the color aesthetic for this build? Think I have all the parts more or less laid out, just need to order them.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DjX3jc

>>59012863
Looks like Sweden.

>>59012863

Mostly black with a bit of red.

If that's what you're into, go for it.

>>59012614
this shit takes like 30 seconds to google you lazy cunt.
how the fuck did you find this board but cant google simple shit?

NAS build with leftover hardware. The RAM listed is for my main computer. Any chance of this thing catching fire?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TpgqVY

>>59012904

I expected me and you to be Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan, now I feel like I'm Luc Longley bro.

>>59012894
I don't get it.
>>59012898
I was going for mainly black but unfortunately I couldn't find the cherry mx brown version of the cm quickfire and its either the MSI or Gigabyte models for the GPU (the latter of which has orange instead of red).

>>59012916
you have a z170 leftover? just sell it and build something ITX

>>59012934

The orange on the Gigabyte model is limited to small stripes on the fan shroud. When it's actually in the system you can't really see it. Source: I built a system with the exact same card in it.

The red on MSI card is visible when it's installed. So if you want a flat black build the Gigabyte is better for that.

>>59012976
Thank you. As it stands right now the Gigabyte model is cheaper anyways. The only gripe I have is the red LEDs on the keyboard but I can easily just turn those off or get new keycaps.

After help from you guys, this is what I have currently. I'm interested in running nearly all games on high settings. Please let me know if anything is overkill or if something is fucked. Also I don't really care about Zen but I know people will still tell me to wait.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p8TtHN

>>59013088

Hold off until Tuesday. AMD is unveiling their 500 series cards, including a competitor to the 1080, and Nvidia is expected to unveil the 1080ti..

>>59013088
Nigga, you've asked like 20 different times and it's still shit.

>>59013113
My bad but I'm about to spend a shit ton of money and I know nothing about this

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M7TtHN

Burgerland, budgeting about $1200 for the tower and guts.
I'd like to hard cap the build, accessories and all, around 2k. Standard gaming and short film editing.

Thinking about getting a cheaper SSD, since I don't know what to really do with 500gb on one.

>>59013128
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/msX3jc

I'm building a budget gaming pc and going with a i3 6100. What kind of graphics card should I get for 1080p? Don't want to spend too much on the card. I was thinking about a gtx 1050 ti, but I don't know.

>>59013235
https://youtu.be/3fcmSMk8iKk?t=39s

>>59013191
You could go cheaper on the motherboard definitely, but I can't really see any way you could make the tower any cheaper without compromising on something.

>>59013191
>Thinking about getting a cheaper SSD, since I don't know what to really do with 500gb on one.
store your fucking games. 250GB will be gone real quick so on your budget a 500GB one is good and you can get rid of the fucking hard drive for the same price

why the fuck did you get a shitty low profile cooler when your case can fit anything?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wgBxkT

Is the i5 4460 still good enough for gaming since that's the cheapest i5 I could get instead of buying an i3. Or should I wait for those new amd processors, not knowledgeable about that stuff.

>>59013523

Just wait for the AMD shit.

>>59013235
stop right now and wait 2 weeks for ryzen then decide what to buy

>>59013528
Will there be something good in the 180 euro price range though?

>>59013633
wait and see literally 2 weeks

Should I buy an i5, wait for the ryzen or wait for the i5 prices to drop due to ryzen?

>>59013690

Just wait.

Is the i5-3570K OC'd to 4.30 GHz I have installed too outdated and is it bottlenecking my GTX 1080 in any way?

>>59013588
>>59013690
>>59013710
what's ryzen?

>>59013690
Remember how buying a GPU was a stupid idea before the 1000/RX400 series came out?
That is now for CPUs.
This is a really bad time to buy a CPU, since Ryzen is going to completely turn the market on its head, if the leaks are to be believed.
And if the leaks are completely wrong then nothing really changes and you didn't lose anything.

Need a build for 7 Days to die and 4x sims. Dad is ascending.

Minimum dollars, new parts. 1080p 60+

Doesn't care about color match and wants a windowless mATX or ITX

4560 1x8gb 2400 and a 470?

>>59012232
What is a motherboard box? Where can I get one?

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Im sure some of you guys have Cinebench downloaded, can anybody tell me if these scores are any good?
Can i play game?

>bought a GTX1070
>rarely play online shooters
>mainly just single player games

buying 1 of 2 monitors from a local store

1080p@144Hz+Gsync

1440p@60Hz+IPS

which one?

>>59014784

1440p.

Anybody have any stories about buying hardware second hand?
>last purchase was a LGA775 mobo for a q6600, works fine

>>59014737
Very good, you will be able to play 1440p Tetris, now fuck off and google it yourself, retard.

>>59013809
>4560 1x8gb 2400 and a 470?
This is currently best value. Check if you really need a 470 for those games, maybe you can save a few bucks, otherwise yes, that's what you want.

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How does one go about improving 200R?

>>59014784
>144hz TN
The fluidity of 144hz is indeed super noticeable. The first time I used a 144hz monitor, it was creepy just how fluid animations, the way the mouse moved, etc was. TN panels still look good imo but it's up to you. Getting 144 fps in most of the games you play is a pain though.

>1440p IPS
Better if your screen is larger. Probably the way for you to go since you play single player games.

for you, 1440p IPS

Are platinum PSUs worth it?

>>59017062
Usually not. Some lower W are but most are not cost effective, if you need like >850W for whatever reason cost effectivness becomes better.
You could simply get something like a EVGA G3 or Super Flower Leadex II, they are essentially the same and offer almost plat efficiency.

>>59017062
if you plan on doing overclocking, sure. Otherwise, no. Getting a good PSU is still worth it, but rating is just one variable

PSUs typically last several years and through multiple builds. Keep in mind that a PSU could last you 10 years, but your CPU maybe 5 and GPU maybe 3. The smaller price premium you pay for a good PSU is typically worth it.

i redid my pastes the other day, not sure if my fans are shitting out or the paste just takes a bit to set.
temps are sitting around 40s at idle, not going to extreme temperatures under load or anything. this is normal, right? i vaguely remember the temps going down after a while.

>>59016355
Replace it.
Or, get some sound dampening foam and line the panels/ block the useless vents.

>>59017834
how is nzxt h440 for cooling?
I like internal layout

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Is the 120mm rear exhaust fan really that necessary if I have my CPU fan configured like this?
Air is still being pushed out by the CPU fan.

I have the following build:

i5 4460
R9 280x
16GB of RAM DDR3
A really shitty motherboard that doesn't save settings half of the time and I bought because my previous one died, the MSI H81M-E33

Is it worth spending 265€ on the following:
-Sapphire Radeon Nitro Plus RX 480 4GB GDDR5
-Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H-A

That pretty much covers my budget for a new upgrade.

>>59017970
yes, it is still much better with a fan

>>59017970
airflow is a meme, it all doesn't really matter that much

>>59018023
Sell CPU, mobo and RAM and get a Ryzen when they come out

>>59018092
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OmkmluAYAQ

>>59018123
I doubt right now I can sell these things for anything substantial.

>Build new computer
>Mobo isnt perfectly aligned with mounting holes even though i cant find the problem
>you can see that a couple of the holes werent perfectly in place but still enough space to put a screw
>say fuck it and still mount the Mobo
>7/9 mounts go perfectly
>other 2 kinda go in, screw endlessly
>cant take them out either
>since i can get them out and i dont wanna keep screwing them in decide to finish build

How much is this gonna fuck me later if i gotta take the MoBo out for any reason?

>>59018159
you can easily get 250 for it

>>59018176
If you can't get them out it sounds like your standoffs are spinning. Which is an issue unless you can reach them with pliers or something.

>>59018176
just open back panel, and push with something solid on standoffs ends to fix it in place while unscrewing, they usually go though back panel

Find a flaw: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xFJTVY

>>59018263
>I5+AiO
>WD Blue
>1070 from Asus

and seriously, wait two weeks, don't give in to ADD

>>59018211
You know, I could actually sell my current PC and build a new one with the extra budget.

>>59018023
Your 280x is still really serviceable. Keep it until the RX 500 series comes out. Polaris (RX 400 series) is the last of the GCN line.

CPU is fine. What settings does the mobo need to save?

>>59014784
You fucked up. If you can't afford a nice 1440p monitor you shouldn't have bought the 1070

>>59013809
>Dad is ascending.
Sorry anon

>>59013809
It's a nice build but there are a few games where the 470+G4560 will stutter, probably not with the games you listed though.

>>59013713
Depends on your res. 99% chance you're a retard for buying the 1080 if you have to ask that question

>>59013690
>>59013523
w8 m8

>>59013235
No reason to get a Skylake CPU unless you're a Win7 fag, and even then you should be on GNU/Linux if you're not retarded.

>>59013191
>GTX1080
>Freesync monitor
If you're video editing wait for Ryzen or buy an i7

>>59013088
Wait for Ryzen

>>59012863
Overpaying for monitor. Just pick up a used 1080p display

>>59012731
You have a great build. If you're having performance issues, make sure your drivers are up to date, clean up your background processes, or even reinstall Win

>>59012614
Yes, but wait for the RX 500 series

>>59018263
>paltry i5 when Ryzen is around the corner
>ATX form factor
>multitude of case fans
>60Hz monitors
>expensive everything

When shopping for new hardware, what brands do you look at first?
>CPU
Intel
>Graphics cards
EVGA
>Mobo
Asus
>Ram
Corsair

>>59018570
>paltry i5 when Ryzen is around the corner
What Ryzen has to offer remains to be seen. I'm not buying today.

>ATX form factor
And?

>multitude of case fans
Undecided on how many, but they're cheap.

>60Hz monitors
I'm only a light gamer, not an MLG.

>expensive everything
I'm going for a particular aesthetic, but otherwise, this isn't a valid criticism, it's just reality.

>>59018507
Latency, as XMP profiles have to be set manually, and putting it on Windows 8.1 mode so it can boot somewhat faster (since I don't use any other OS)

What happens is, at times it won't recognize some drives and in order for them to be bootable I have to restore my settings to defaults. Also at times I have to disconnect all of my drives, otherwise it will hang before showing the bios splash screen no matter how many times I restart it. It's painful.

BTW, how long do you estimate until we get RX 500s? I'm not exactly a fan of grabbing a GPU as it comes out, due to how AMD handles drivers, but at this point maybe I should wait.

>>59018507
>Just pick up a used 1080p display
Literally where?

>>59018623
I don't give a shit about brands. Of course you want an Intel CPU if you have to buy TODAY, but not many people are buying right now with Ryzen around the corner, at least judging by the number of builds getting posted in this general.

I look for features and at benchmarks and user + critic reviews.

If you buy anything but the cheapest RAM at the appropriate speed you have brain problems

>>59018623
>being a brand fanboi
you're everything that's wrong with consumers these days, please kys

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>>59018685
possibly out of a fucking dumpster if you know your shit

>>59009025
shit did someone upgrade the potato?

>>59018716
You do realize that doesn't answer his question, right?

>>59009053
it's been 2-3 weeks for 2-3 weeks it a.

when is it. whats the date in all regions.

>>59018742
yes it does

also ebay you dumb shit

>>59018755
it's been end of this month ever since they announced the fucking AMD convention thingymajig last month

>>59018263
i have this monitor. great colors, sharpness and eye blinding brightness. not the most amazing for games (only 60Hz and mediocre response times) but the increased pixel density is nice for non-gaming stuff.

>>59018742
lets try this slowly.

is there an office building, school, hospital, or government site near you at all?

if so, do they have waste management?

If so they are trying to pay as little as possible and will sneak expensive to dispose of electronics into the cheap to dispose of general trash

i've scored current-gen i7s of boards with update-to-fix bioses. even more i5's and raid cards. sell them on ebay for a bundle.

>>59018805
you can also often ask the techguys if they're getting rid of some old hardware

>>59018824
finding a dc that's decomissioning, just rent a flatbed and a storage unit and ebay to town. like it's all right there for $10/100 kilos why dont more people do this.

Can I short a motherboard if I have dried semen on my hands?

>>59018687
>>59018715
I'm a fan boy because I care about the bios of my motherboards, customer service when shit hits the fan, and product warranties.

>>59018685
Craigslist or whatever mobile app is popular in your area

>>59018670
>how long do you estimate until we get RX 500s
My guess is that prices will have stabilized by mid year. You definitely want to wait, considering you've already got decent hardware.

You could try a BIOS update if it's not already on the latest

>>59018645
>ATX
Unless you're planning to SLI you'll just have a lot of useless volume.

>60Hz
You can avoid screen tearing, Vsync latency, and even get low framerate compensation with a higher Hz monitor. Why spend so much money on mediocre displays that you'll likely have for years?

>expensive
>it's just reality
Are you trying to make me laugh? I'm talking about the RAM and the case, etc, not the 1070

>>59018856
yes, in fact this is most common cause of failure.

>>59018805
>office building
No.
>School
Yes, but it's a shitty public school that I doubt would have working monitor.
>Hospital
No.
>Government Site
No.

I live in a super residential area of my city so there isn't much to go to get used shit.

>>59018866
>mediocre displays
>display worthiness is solely a function of refresh rate

You need to stop.

>RAM and case costs
I might save myself $60? Wow.

>>59018878
o, well it sounds like you're fucked for free shit.


urban till you burbon mate

>>59018849
initial investment costs i guess, and lack of knowledge/motivation/time whatever to actually do it and then go thru to assemble working shit.

>>59018856
google ESD, you dont even need to have wet hands.

>>59018860
doesnt apply for CPU and i doubt you have been in contact with every RAM producer to know how their customer support it (ps they all have lifetime warranty on RAM).

also you go through the seller 80% of the time, corsair is one of the few exceptions to this (but i agree their support is good).

>>59018909
>>59018860
also i doubt you've had to bother with every mobo producer and gpu producer aswell

>>59018909
>assemble working shit.
i can see you've never even considered this. it's all gear that was working fine yesterday.

stop posting if you are being so dumb, it's not adding to the conversation

>>59018927
>it's all gear that was working fine yesterday
>stop posting if you are being so dumb
stop assuming people can read your mind you retarded fuckstain

>>59009025
Whats the best 1tb hard drive on the market right now? Or just by anyone heres personal opinion

>>59018860
Of course, that's why I listed features. As long as the warranty is 3yrs (or whatever is standard for that product) you don't have to worry too much

>>59018716
>>59018805
>>59018896
This isn't a dumpster diving general. Thank you but fuck off

>>59018920
>implying saphire isnt out there shitting up people's gear

>>59018965
retard idiot

if you have money to look down on garbage finds then go buy a better life

>>59018963
A 2TB HDD for $10 more than whatever 1TB drive you're looking at.
Or even better just put that money towards a SSD instead.

>>59018507
>You fucked up. If you can't afford a nice 1440p monitor you shouldn't have bought the 1070

I can, but it will cost around $1k Australian, and I have the option of one of these 2 refurbished, so I wanted to get one before I save some Koalabux for the big one.

>>59018954
why are you so fucking dumb. this is the case every time moron

>>59019004
I was looking at this https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16822236339

Mainly because my current drive is going to shit, and I don't have the cash to buy good ssd

>>59018963
At this point, pretty much all of the current 1TB 7200rpm hard drives have 64MB of cache and perform within a few percent of each other. It's just a matter of which drive costs less.

>>59019028
consumer drives are more or less exactly the same just get whatever. also there's no point buying 1TB drives when you can get a 2TB for almost the same price.

>>59019017
>hurr durr durr
fuck off and kys

>>59019055
no kill YOUR self

just because you're an idiot doesn't mean i need to feel bad

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I just bought a EVGA 1070 Superclocked 2 and was wondering what tyope of monitor should I get/ I currently have a Asus VP228, and a cheap Dell but I'm looking to replace the Dell and upgrade. Pic related is my specs.

>>59019067
you're already bad just leave.

>>59019055
Not for the same prize in canukland

>>59019087
oh i'm bad to the bone sweetie, but we're here to talk about computers not our date.

>>59019079
1440p144hz

>>59019100
i didnt say same price. learn to read.

>>59019113
doot doot?

>>59018909
I'd always go to intel for my cpu. I couldn't give a shit about amd.
I've never had to deal with a motherboard producer because I've always had a comfortable time with asus when people talk shit about msi.
>>59018974
That's probably why I don't look at sapphire

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>>59019119
yeah i'd doot the doot

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>>59019120
>always go to intel for my cpu
good goy, keep shilling

>>59019120
>That's probably why I don't look at sapphire
good decision making

the very best

>>59019119
>1440p144hz
Any recommendations?

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>>59019120
>i only use intel
>i only use asus
i bet you also only use nvidia

>>>/v/

>>59018986
I already dumpster dive. It's a niche pursuit that's not for 99% of people. Most places have fenced off receptacles or compactors anyway. Pointless to bring it up in this thread

>>59019240
there's not a single western market mobo maker who's specifically bad at hardware but firmware and software stack warfare is just getting started

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>>59019142
You better protect your Jew coins for budgeting your amd build.
>>59019240
If you read previous posts you'll see I turn to EVGA.
>EVGA don't make amd cards
>Keep this

>>59019276
there's not a single western mobo maker, period.

Why are there so many shitty trolls in this post?

>>59019407

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermicro

>>59019465
because the only janitor on this board only checks the chink shit thread

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>>59019468
>美超微電腦股份有限公司

>>59019490
diu lei lomo

>>59019508
nej du

>>59011077
>>59011885
Are you both fucking retarded or illiterate? I already have all of those parts. The only thing I'm adding is more of the same memory and that graphics card. Is that graphics card decent enough for the price?

>>59019578
>implying you're not the retard for buying that shit
>implying you shouldn't mark shit as purchased in the list
GPU is fine if it's cheaper than the RX480 8GB.

now go kys for making stupid purchases

Rejiggered a few things: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dFpN9W

YES I KNOW ABOUT THE RYZEN 1600X AT A SIMILAR PRICE POINT

>>59019680
>1080p@60hz

>YES I KNOW ABOUT THE RYZEN'
then why aren't you waiting until end of the month to buy?

>>59019680
>Kelvin Lake
>GTX 1060
It's shit.

Whats a good full case?

>>59019680
>2x1080p@60 Hz
>i5 now

You know we might as well just title this "wait for ryzen" general

>>59019718
I don't recall saying that I was buying now.

>>59019723
What is wrong with a 1060? Please have something more substantive than, "if you spent more money, you'd get a better GPU."

>>59019855
I'm not a hardcore gamer, so 1080/60 suits me fine.

>>59019886
>What is wrong with a 1060?
It's shit. Your monitors are shit. Everything is shit. Start over from scratch.

>>59019886
>I don't recall saying that I was buying now.
then you should come back when you are
>What is wrong with a 1060?
nothing really depending on what price you can get a rx480 8gb for.
also, are you going to game on both monitors at the same time?
also also
>paying Dell premium for 1080p 60hz 6ms g2g monitors
but at least they're IPS....

>>59019947
You're not very good at this.

>>59019959
>gaming on two monitors at the same time

Do you think before you post or just start typing and see where you end up?

>>59019961
Neither are you, based on that horseshit build you just posted. At least invest in a nice monitor you fucking turboscrub.

>>59019959
Those aren't IPS monitors, either. They're PLS.

Sounds like you have a solid grasp on what you're talking about.

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>>59019980
>being this retarded

>>59020001
>spending your day trolling PCBG

lol

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>>59020017

>>59020019
>n-no y-y-you

Do you really thinking people game on two monitors, staring directly at the bezels separating them?

>>59020028
2bh bro I just come on here about once a week and pick on one fucktarded build and then peace out. I used to try to help people but it's an exercise in futility.

>>59020041
Site's wrong too, then. You'd know that if you knew what you were talking about.

PLS is similar to IPS, but a step up in brightness and viewing angle.

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https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/G2NWjc

what's the best way to shave some bux off this?

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>>59020043
that's what i was asking you fucking moron holy shit get a fucking brain

>>59020053
Move to the United States.

Am I doing this right?

>>59020050
>someone doesnt know fucking everything about a subject boo hooo
if you're so knowledgeable why arent you ordering a M320CLZ you clueless faggot?

>>59020053
RX470 instead of 480. Smaller HDD. An actual mATX case may be cheaper than that, too.

>>59020096
>ultra-wide
>curved
>144hz for a non-gamer

>compounding memes

I'm speechless.

>>59020107

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/XN7Zjc

>>59020135
lol you clueless faggot

>>59020053
just wait until ryzen for fuck sake

but, drop the HDD and get a better CPU.
replace 480 with 470.

>>59020107
>RX470
Yeah go from an already awful card to a knee capped version with even more problems
>downgrading storage
>ever
Not worth it in the long run, you'll save more by buying a large amount up front.
>mATX
Way to fall for marketing, John.

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>>59020182
>480 and 470 are awful
>doesnt know how to prioritize parts

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>>59020180
>just wait until ryzen for fuck sake

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>>59020155
Now you're talking. If you're even more hard up for cash consider a 120 GB SSD, should be enough for a boot drive if you don't mind storing most of your shit on the HDD.

>>59020182
Shit tier opinions general? Shit tier opinions general. He either has the money now or he doesn't. Also
>RX 480
>awful
Just fucking kys my dude.

>>59020196
>falling for AMD marketing
1050 ti makes more sense for his case.

>>59020182

You're a legitimate retard.

>>59020206

Not that strapped, just wanted it under 1k.

>>59020201
>waiting 1 week is too long so i will waste money now even to there's a chance ryzen will have significant impact on the market and if it actually flops i wont have lost anything anyway
good goyim, keep being a retarded consumer cuck.

>>59020209
i guess, but depends on the price difference

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>>59020182

They're great budget cards.

>>59020239

why the fuck would I wait for an over $100 ryzen when this $70 cpu does the job?

>1 week

lmao

>>59020243
>there's no 980ti
this graph is incorrect

>>59020261
i already told you, fucking learn to read you retard

yes, guess what happens in 1 week.

>>59020283
>too retarded to see it only has the latest generation cards
>implying that makes it innacurate
you just dont know how to use it correctly.

>>59020283
>980ti
Autism.

>>59020289

wow I'll get to save $5

amazing - I should totally wait

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>>59020362
>pulling numbers out of his ass

>>59020376

price of the pentium will barely dent

it's the price of the i5's and i7s that will significantly drop - especially in australia

Need a new GPU for playing at 1080p at least 60fps at maxed settings. Has to be Nvidia, because I need CUDA. Is GTX 1060 6GB enough?

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>>59020397
>assuming shit out of his ass
we have no clue how the market will react, and it would be one thing if it was like 2 months away from release, but it's not.

but go ahead, spend your shekels. but dont you fucking dare come and cry about your buyers remorse later.

>>59020421
see >>59020243

>>59020421
Nope, you need a GTX 1080 Hybrid™ from EVGA.

>>59020435

why would the pentium drop when amd doesn't have anything in it's range?

>>59020435
>see >>59020243
Source? I'd like to know which games were tested.

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considering getting a 480 but was wondering if a 470 would be enough

>>59020478
Get a 1060.

>>59020496
dosen's AMD have a feature where i can link my onboard graphics and my graphics card. was main reason for getting a rx4X0

>>59020505
Have fun with your bottleneck. Your CPU is garbage.

>>59020463

hardware unboxed

Threw together a build that meets /g/'s expectations:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LGFxkT

Suck my dick.

>>59020505
They do but it's basically useless. That APU's CPU is so weak it's going to bottleneck the shit out of anything you try to do, whether or not you link its graphics to the GPU or not.

>>59020376
>>59020435

the price of the pentium won't get any lower as AMD doesn't have anything releasing within it's spectrum. they're mainly going up against the i-range.

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>>59020530
>being this assblasted
My work here is done.

>>59020532
so going for ryzen then rx480 or 70 would be the best course of action?

>>59020549
You're really, really, REALLY cool.

>>59020558
Oh fuck yeah, the jump in performance for you is going to be huge.

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>>59020558
Yeah just start over with a new build. Wait for Ryzen and then see what you can afford based on what you need.

>>59020565
>mfw

>>59020289
>guess what happens in 1 week

The price of the Pentium not going down? No way in hell it gets any cheaper just because of Ryzen in Australia. It's already a steal.

>>59020585
would my motherboard not be compatible with ryzen?

What's the cheapest motherboard I can buy for the g4560?

>>59020180
>just wait until ryzen for fuck sake

christ you are a parroting retard

>wait one to two weeks just to save $20 at the very most

>>59020452
>>59020540
we dont know that yet, which is why people should wait and see what actually happens.

and now that i think about it i doubt you would even get buyers remorse if AMD release something better because you the kind of retarded consumer that's too fucking ignorant and will just try to justify your purchase no matter what.

>>59020463
are you blind?

>>59020606
No. GDC and highly likely Ryzen launch since both CPU and Mobos are already done.

>>59020617
Ryzen is AM4 socket and a completely new architecture. Take a guess.

Hey there guys, recently built a new PC, and it needed to be small because i need to be able to move it a lot and keep it on my work bench, and also cheap because the company paid for it ($600 budget) I'm using it to run proprietary software that I need to use my 3d plotter. I've found 2 things: 1, i need a water cooler. and 2. I need a dedicated GPU, the APU is not cutting it, my render times are taking hours.

4670k @ 4.1ghz
8 GB DDR3-2133
240GB SSD
535w Raidmax PSU with 41A +12V
Gigabyte mini-itx motherboard with A88x chipset

Is the corsair h50 going to give me a good improvement over the stock cpu cooler? I'm currently maxing out at 70c under load. And will a gtx1060 be pretty much the maximum amount of GPU i will be able to use without my shitty AMD meme-tier CPU bottlenecking it?

Thanks guys.

>>59020606
There's going to be top-down pressure on everything intel. It might only shift a few dollars but it will eventually move. Not a huge deal though if you need a cheap PC immediately.

>>59020617
It's not compatible. You'll need an AM4 motherboard and new DDR4 RAM. You literally have to start over if you want to play games.

>>59020656
ah ok, thanks for the help on the ryzen stuff

>>59020656
>we dont know that yet

It's common sense, and you don't know how shit works in Aus. It won't cost less than $50 anywhere. As I said, it's already a steal at $70.

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>>59020623
h100 chipset mobo, but needs bios update before you can even boot kaby lake CPU.

>>59020653
>pulling random numbers out of your ass again
christ you retarded mongoloid come back when you have a real argument


>>59020675
fucking intel shill kikes implying waiting 1 week for official release and see what happens is a bad idea holy shit this is a new record for retardedness

>>59020656
>which is why people should wait and see what actually happens

Can't expect much of a price drop considering it's already a very cheap chip.

>>59020660
APU is an AMD thing. 4670k is an intel CPU. Not sure what you're talking about here unless you've got your numbers mixed up.

I'm confused by your dilemma because you're saying you're bottlenecked by the graphics of the iGPU but you're asking about CPU coolers. As to gtx 1060 helping render times it depends on if the software you're using is CUDA based. If it is, then yes it will help.

>>59020705

Nobody's saying it's a bad idea you fucking child. People are saying the price drop won't be significant as the chip is already as cheap as chips.

>>59020736
Whoops, i meant 7670k. My bad. I was asking two seperate questions.

1. Is the water cooling system going to reduce my CPU temps by an amount that's worth the investment?

2. Is the GPU going to be maxed out by my CPU?

Thanks.

>>59020705

>he thinks the chip will be cheaper than $50

Try using your brain instead of throwing around insults like a retard from /v/.

>>59020717
>>59020737
sure, but there's also mobo cost. it all adds up

>you fucking child
topzozzle

>>59020769
>implying this hard
try using your own brain before telling other people to use theirs

>>59020791
>mobo cost.

>B series mattering


LMAO

>>59020814
>those are the only alternatives
ROFL

>>59020660
See seem confused. You listed an Intel CPU and an AMD mobo. Anyway rendering is CPU base AFAIK. Check benchmarks. Likely you'll have to make do until Ryzen shows up, in which case you'll want the 4c / 8t if you're on a budget or the 6c / 12t if at all possible.

>>59020761
1. No
2. In games it's a crapshoot, but if you're speaking about professional work see my previous reply

>>59020769
>>59020653
Literal retard. You're looking at possible savings of 150USD if you buy mid range.

>>59020791

oh shit where are you taking these goalposts

>>59020761
Ok, makes a bit more sense then. If your APU is hitting 100% load now at 70c then a water cooler isn't going to make a difference as APUs are designed to run hot as fuck. It's getting choked by the workload but it's almost impossible to say if adding a GTX 1060 will help without knowing what that software is trying to do. Like I said, if it's CUDA based then yes, in theory an Nvidia GPU will help with the workload since that will be much more powerful than the R7 graphics component of your APU. How much it will help will be up to the pathetic CPU side of your APU.

What I'm trying to say is your shit's fucked and a water cooler isn't going to help.

>>59020823
>USD

this is why you're a retard

>>59020828
you should know, you've been helping me with them the whole time along with the other fallacies.

want me to remind you of what i said that triggered you so hard that you started implying and assuming more than i've ever seen anyone do before?

>>59020823
>>59020843
Thanks for the help m80's. I know it's not an ideal setup but once again, i didn't pay for it. I have to use it for at least a year before i can get a new workstation so I'm just trying to make the best of what i've got. If 70c is an acceptable temperature i'll just leave the stock cooler on, and the software is indeed cuda based so i will be getting the 1060. To be fair though, this CPU is lightyears faster than my old Q6600 workstation.

Thanks again!

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what's the difference between i3 6100 and i3 7100? They're the same price as far as I've found.

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>>59020530
How are the monitors that cheap?

>>59020910
higher number = newer and slightly better.
7100 has more threads and performs better at most things that can use the extra threads.

>>59020910
If theyre the same price get the newest one dumbass

>>59020623
B250 if you're looking for plug and play

>>59020558
Get the cheapest mid range Vega gfx card, probably RX570

>>59020540
Agreed

>>59020656
>we dont know that yet,
As the other anon stated, it's already a bargain basement chip.

>>59020478
The best gfx card you should pair with that APU is a 1050Ti. Anything better is a waste of money

>>59020844
Just admit that you wish you were a US citizen.

Anyway I jumped into the middle of that conversation. If you were talking about the G4560, it's already priced as low as it will go. If you were talking about a higher perf part, wait and see.

>>59020919
It's a troll post.

>>59020910
Almost nothing. The benefit of the i3 7100 is that it natively uses 2400MHz RAM and has a higher clock speed.

If you're thinking of buying the 7100, you probably want the G4560 instead

>>59020949
>As the other anon stated, it's already a bargain basement chip.
i never said otherwise

Is there a noticeable difference between 4ms and 5ms on an IPS monitor?

>>59021003
no and those numbers are misleading as it's gray to gray and can be measured in different ways and you can really only tell by doing actual tests