/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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Just replaced my thermal paste after 8 years. I even took the cooler off once a couple of years ago and thought nothing of it. How bad was it? Temperature wise it was idling at 60 and now it's idling around 40.

>>58944096
What were the load temperatures? That's really hot for idle. Even 40 isn't very good honestly

What's the best monitor for an i7+1070 combo?

>>58944119

As far as I remember I couldn't get it past ~60% load without getting into the high 90s. I haven't stressed it since I worked on it this morning so I don't know how much it's improved there.

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>only use PC for web browsing, ms office, PES 6 and emulators
>want to build a low-consumption gpu-less mini-itx w/ Ryzen APU
>Ryzen APUs will take around 6 months to be released
>have already decided on a case, which I can buy now
>having the case with nothing in it seems wrong
>so thought of buying pic related with a lightweight linux distro and make do until then
>currently using an ASUS Chromebox with windows 10 as my only PC
>it performs just a little worse than this potential build but it's even smaller and I'm using 10Gb of ram and a sata m2 ssd
>in this new build I'd only have 4gb of ram and would be using an old 320gb HDD I have laying around

should I?
The power brick, PicoPSU and case would be reused for the Ryzen build, but I would effectively be throwing almost 100€ away. I mean, I could try and sell the mobo+ram when Ryzen comes out but I don't think I'd be able to sell it for over 50€, if that

I don't NEED to buy this, but I want to. Convince me not to

>>58944277
>look at pic
>spanish

fuck off

>>58944277
There's no point, you'd be wasting money by not waiting.

>are you happy now

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>>58944329
>are you happy now
i-it's valentine's day

The motherboard I just bought from newegg has a few bent pins and I don't think I can fix them myself (one of them seems to be completely flat).
I've heard they decline RMAs if they see bent pins.

Is this true? Should I try anyway?

>>58944623
You don't have a magnifying glass and a small pin?

>>58944139
Anything less than 1440 is wasting it unless you just really want 300 fps

>>58944652
I don't, but I could get some if I couldn't RMA it.

>>58944623
what was the mobo if you dont mind me asking

>>58944909
MSI Z270-A PRO

>>58944929
I was gunna get an msi mobo as well, I hope it was just some asshole kicking the box and not the packaging

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Guys I plan on building a new PC after some 8 years. I didn't know much about computers then and I do not know that much now either so please give me some advice.

Pic related is my current PC.

And this is the way I am using it now and how I plan on using my new PC:

I think I play mainly older and not that graphic intensive games such as Smite, League, DotA, Don't Starve etc but I would like to run them perfectly and also run at least the current stuff at solid 60fps without compromising graphics settings too much. I only plan on gaming at 1920x1080 for now and no more.

The thing is, I also plan on streaming said games. And I also like let's call it multitasking a lot. I like playing games, browsing the net, streaming/being on a skype call, watching videos all at the same time.

And it is also very important for me that I will be able to use Windows 7 for general use. Can I dual boot Windows 7 + Windows 10?

Because of these reasons I am thinking either one of the 6/12 or 8/16 Ryzens + RX 480 8GB.

Thoughts? Will it be enough for the way I plan on using my PC?

Hey, I'm looking for an SSD, just to replace the HDD in a laptop, guess this thread is a good place to ask.

Did some looking around, the Patriot Blast 240GB for less than 70EUR seems the best of options - it's MLC, has 2M MTBF, and a nice benchmark on harddrivebenchmark.net, and is a good bit cheaper than anything comparable.
A perfectly good choice, right?

>>58944962
I wouldn't dump anything into ryzen until they've been out a while and you see more real world results

>>58945112
But generally speaking, if I like to multitask like I described + stream, more cores will be very helpful right?

Vegaaaaaaaa Whennnnnn

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My laptop from 2010 isn't cutting it anymore. This will be used for games (civ, ksp, old games, not cod but maybe titanfall or overwatch), general computing shit, and as I'll soon be a phd student, science (which includes R programming, 3D graphics, general science shit).
Should I skip out on the video card for now? I don't think I'll have too much time to play games once I start but I'm also thinking the 1060 might not work for that resolution.

This minus cost?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TRD4wV
Problem: Need decent OS.

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>>58944044
>Building

>>58945525
There's no such thing as a student of phd

>>58944044
Is the Zotac AMP! 1070 the best deal currently?

>>58945151
Possibly not better than an i7.

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Guys is this harmful in any way? I have push pull on my 212 evo and my push fan is slightly slower than my pull. (As seen in pic related, push is cpu_fan and pull is cpu_OPT). I can't seem to be able to change the speed of the faster one. Can that mess up my push fan in any way?

Anyone else addicted to watching full build log videos?

>>58946030
It'll break it
Change it before it fries your PC

>>58946036
I usually watch BItWit or TechSource. Is there anyone else that isn't Jayztwoshills or LinusCuckTips that's good?

>>58946057

Are you being sarcastic tho? I know it's not the smartest of questions but I was just worried because there is a difference in air pressure or whatever.

>>58945525
A 1060 won't hold 60 fps at that resolution. Also you probably want a better cooler, try the h7. 3000mhz ram would be nice too.

>>58946030
It'll be fine. If you want them at the same speed and can't change it just get a fan splitter.

>>58945525
Get a different m2 drive, either a 950 or 960 pro, or a 2.5" SATA drive

>>58946381

if you want to save money, there's nothing wrong with the MX300. it's like comparing a 1070 vs a 1080. One might have a performance boost, but if you're not going to make use of it then you might as well save the cash.

>>58946084
it won't break it. these aren't huge turbines, they're little plastic fans.

but if you're worried about it then connect both to a fan splitter and connect the splitter to your cpu_fan connection. that way you're guaranteed to get even voltage to both.

>>58946657
No it's like comparing a cheap SATA SSD to a real NVME drive that is 5-6x as fast instead of 1x as fast as SATA for $30 more.
Getting a SATA M2 is literally retarded, there are no advantages over a generic SATA SSD until you get into samsungs NVME lineup, Samsung really has no match in NVME drive speed at the moment.
If you aren't worried about speed, get the 2.5" SATA instead of the overpriced M2 SATA that will give you no advantages, use up your m2 slot (which you could've filled with an NVME drive) and cost more.
You're not comparing good performance to better performance, you bought a M2 SATA SSD that performs the exact same as any 2.5" SATA SSD
Getting an M2 that isn't NVME is pretty much admitting you have no idea what you're doing and are just following the crowd (because they all have M2's right? All you need is an M2 right?)

>>58946657
Get the 2.5" MX300 you dip.
This isn't a brand thing, it's SATA vs NVME, and what you picked out is just SATA

>>58944096
is that a motherboard from a Dell XPS ? it look a lot like mine.

>>58945151

AMD has more cores but they've always been inferior to Intel's.

Intel's hyperthreading adds 'logical cores', but they usually test at about 70% of the power of a true core (granted there's a lot more to it than that), which has still pushed Intel's i7 over the 8-core AMDs through history.

So Intel has been the go-to choice for complex CPU intensive work like streaming and rendering and the such. But AMDs 8 true cores are better for stuff like folding@home or bitcoin mining where you need to do a lot of simple computations as fast as possible.

Think of it as a homeless guy with a calculator vs a Yale professor with a full schedule. The poor guy might not be as knowledgeable but he's got more time to work on stuff, while the Yale professor might be more capable but he's better suited for complex work.

At least this is what my 2-3 months researching between Intel and AMD has taught me.

>>58946709

>no advantage

There's a huge advantage in a mini ITX case where you don't have room for much airflow. M.2 will always be superior.

>>58946769
Or they're all just generic x86 compute cores and brands don't matter as much as the actual CPU design
a dangerous opinion

>>58946797
then why does intel always test better than amd

>>58946788
You have room for a 2.5" drive.
I'll bet my entire computer that you do.
And I'll also bet my entire computer that it won't affect your temperatures whatsoever. And an M2 on an ITX motherboard gets excessively hot 90% of the time, ESPECIALLY if the slot is mounted on the backside

>>58946769
>he doesn't know about Ryzen

>>58946788
M2s get really hot on mITX motherboards, there's just not enough room.
2.5" drives are well seperated from the PC heat output and have their own giant heatsink casing. Also you gain nothing from an M2 over SATA unless you're using NVME

>>58946826

I'm not even the guy that posted the build.

I've got a mid-tower and I'm about to install an MX300 because it removed cable clutter but it still had all the same speed as an SSD. So now I can installed two HDDs in my free bays and keep a ton of airflow for an OC build.

>>58946820
Do you remember when AMD was kicking Intels ass and Intel had to buy x86-64 partially from AMD?
I'm just trying to say brand loyalty is fucking retarded

>>58946858
No you didn't.
Nobody in /pcbg/ wouldve allowed you to buy a SATA M2 drive
Stop samefagging, you're painfully obvious.

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>>58946858
Samefag
Buy the 2.5" SATA MX300 on sale or you're actually retarded

>>58946870

This is my build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vgWZjc

I'd post speccy but I'm waiting on a new CPU cooler

>>58946880
>ATX
Where are your two hard drives that 8 SATA ports wasn't enough for?
How horrible is your airflow that a 2.5" SSD taped to the case impacts it?
You bought a modular case, shouldn't you be at least coherent enough to manage your cables? Especially since those extra hard drives have the same cables as well?

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>>58946910

fully modular bra

uploading shitty pictures now.

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>>58946928

you can remove the 5.25 bays and the HDD bays to improve airflow from the front. I don't like AIO because I get better temps from air, so I removed as much as I could and kept the two bays in the basement for HDD.

It might not be everyone's cup of tea, but my GPU and CPU never go above 65*.

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>>58946928
>fully modular
>you can take the dust filters off

Is the ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1070 AMP! Extreme still the 1070 to get or is the new EVGA cards with icx cooling the better choice? i'll have enough to buy one when I get paid on Thursday.

>>58946987

You can adjust just about everything actually

>>58947068
It's about as modular as any other case.

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>>58946858
>>58946870
I'm the person who posted the build and am neither of these guys arguing.

Chiefly I was doing it to avoid more cables but I'm sure one cable to the SSD isn't going to cause any issues. Those samsungs are nearly twice the price and I'm already very happy with SSD speeds so I'll just switch it to a 2.5" drive since there's mounts for those.

What I intended to do is eventually have two 512gb ssd's in RAID0 which would backup to that 1TB drive.

Is the seagate 1tb at Newegg for $40.69 worth it?

>>58947092
That said how are the other Samsung's? If I'm going to cut the video card then I might as well get a better m2 drive.

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>>58947191

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>>58947214
Here's a good SATA SSD on the right and a non-Samsung NVME drive on the left
The 600p really underwhelmed me, I mean it is fast, but for $30 more I could've bought a 1TB SATA SSD

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>>58947227
And for humor, heres a WD Black HDD

>>58947227
The 600p is more of a low-end NVMe drive

>>58947280
I never said it was high end, just that it's no Samsung
Most of the non-Samsung NVME drives test in a similar way, either reads or sequential performance is amazing but the rest is SATA-tier
The 950 and 960 pro are really in a class of their own

>>58945112
Chances are it might run into stock issues. With reviews coming out within a day or two of release, you will then know where the expectation is.

Key thing to look for is how much it will overclock and how the the CPU compares clock/clock with intel variants.

Chances are if its within 10% of Intel shit(given same clock speed), AMD wins out because the overall value is much better. If AMD can overclock past 4.5Ghz, then they will be the true king of CPU this generation and maybe next.

>>58947227

Okay previous comment about sata m.2 retracted. That's pretty impressive.

>>58947404
Too bad I can't notice it very often, only measure it.
But the thing was that Samsung drives reign supreme for NVME speed right now, I believe he posted a 960 pro here >>58947214
The real question is does that speed even matter to you? Even SATA SSDs feel plenty fast

>>58947441
>The real question is does that speed even matter to you? Even SATA SSDs feel plenty fast
This is my issue. The SATA SSD I put in my laptop in place of it's old spinning one seems blazing fast to me, and I think it's only 3Gb/s anyway. Probably a SATA M2 drive would feel fast enough for me but I really just want to buy everything once, and only replace it if it breaks. I'd be surprised if a 7700k, 1070 (will buy one eventually), and good NVMe SSD become slow any time soon.

How hot do m.2 drives get? Thinking about getting one after i upgrade my gpu.

>>58947047
bump

I have a budget of up to $3k and just want to play older story-heavy games and Titanfall 2 multiplayer with buttery smooth FPS at1080p on my ASUS 144hz monitor.

What's minimum price start at?

No desire for grass physics or any other placebo effects.

>>58947696
It depends on what you're doing with it. My 950 PROs would get toasty to the touch after recording 2160p videos from a capture card, but not so hot booting two virtual machines off of it.

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>>58948272
>Budget of $3k
>only going to be playing old games

/g/ everyone

>>58948306

I'm 31 and winter is coming.

But Titanfall mah jam.

>>58948275
Was thinking of using it as a boot drive.

>>58948453
Stick with SATA drives. The difference in loading and booting is literally half a second unless you install a fuck-ton of programs on it.

>>58947696
Depends on which one and how hard you use it
A Samsung 950 pro for example can boil water if you're writing nonstop for half an hour

>>58948453
Some motherboards have a delay when booting from NVME, think it's a boot order issues

>>58948499
>Stick with SATA drives.
Stick with HDDs. The difference in loading and booting is literally half a second unless you install a fuck-ton of programs on it.

>>58948618
I posted some speed tests, the step from HDD to SATA SSD is 5-100x better
The step from SATA SSD to 960 pro is roughly 2-5x better

>>58948366
AUS?

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>>58944660

If I get a 1440p monitor should I get it 144hz?

My concern is not many games being able to reach that framerate to begin with. I was thinking something like 1440p@75?Hz

>>58948736
What kind of games do you play?

>>58948736
With a 1070 at 1440p youll get 60fps in some games and 144fps in other, it'll give you a locked 60fps if you want it to but I think it's worth getting into the high Hz (but you are right, 144fps is not possible for every game, so I recommend gsync as well)
75hz locked 1440p would be doable, Witcher 3 is the only game I could imagine getting troubles reaching that on max settings
If you have the money though, 1440p high-Hz gsync would be the best match for a 1070 (or 1080 even) that still allows you to flex your GPU muscle imo

>>58948862


I very rarely play online because Aussie internet is trash. When I do play online it's co-op like an MMO or Killing Floor.

I mostly play single player stuff, so I won't need something with 1ms response time I guess, but I'd like to experience Gsync.

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Is this worth the money?

>>58948908
I got the PG278Q (I assume the "r" stands for re-release) and I love it
Goes great with my 1070

>>58948934
Btw I paid $500 for a refurbished one, I much better deal that way and I'm sure it had less than one day of use before some /v/ citizen's mom found out and made him return it

>>58948934
You sure a 1070 is enough for 165hz at 1440p? I thought 1070 was the 1080p killer.

>>58948736

Really depends what you prefer.

1080p@144hz or 1440p@60Hz

>>58948905
Honestly, I don't think 144hz is even worth it then desu,

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BpjXd6

Ordering the first of the parts tomorrow, how does this look?

>>58948905
>Aussie

If you want Gsync as an Aussie you'll have to go 1080p/144hz if you don't want to break the bank.

Something like: http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=AOC%20g2460Pg&spos=6

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Hey /g/ I just bought a g4560. They said it comes with thermal paste on the stock cooler?

Is this the thermal paste?

>>58949243
Get a B250 mobo, H270 is really only for SLI.
Get 2400 RAM and a Toshiba P300 instead the memegate.
RX480 is better than the 1060, you should swap the GPU.
PSU is great but not really a must have, you could get a cheaper one.
And get a fucking 24" Monitor, 22" is shit.

>>58949281
It is

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PCD8yf

I'm new to overclocking and i'm not sure how OC RAM works.

>>58949294
Thanks mate

>>58949281

why are stock coolers so ugly

>>58948905
>>58949130
>1440p@60Hz

honestly the better option

100+ fps is unnecessary for someone who mainly plays single player games

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Windows 10 Pro vs 10 home?
[spoiler]just for games, I will still install that anti-telemetry and duel boot Arch

>>58944139
>>58948736
>>58948905

Fellow Ausfag with the same CPU/GPU.

BenQ GW2765HT is great for the price.

I gave 1080p@144Hz a go, but I ended up preferring 1440p@60Hz a lot more.

>>58944044
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/34gLqk

I'm thinking I need a PSU recommendation. The other cahnge I would like to make is to find a compatible motherboard that meets the criteria of gaving a PCI slot and a heatsink over the cpu mosfets.

Any advice is appreciated.

Will all pc parts be:
>cheaper
>the same
>or more expensive?
after ryzen talking about psu, ram, fans, etc.

>>58949590
>1050 ti
Just how retarded are you? A 470 is a better bang for the buck.

This build is meant to run EVE for roughly 12 months before I retire it into a home server meant to store media and allow it to stream ripped BD [spoiler]anime[/spoiler] to other devices on site and off site. How did I do?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wy8KxY

In 12 months when I retire it, I plan to double the RAM and add another HDD. I think I can do without the additional fan as well but would like to hear some feedback.

I wont be pulling the trigger til this weekend in case of President's Day sales.

>>58946069
PCPartPicker youtube channel has full build logs with no speeding up. I like to have it on when I'm doing something else.

Then of course there is singularity computers that does a lot of custom stuff for his customers and he logs everything.

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Hey guys Im trying to make a bootable windows 7 USB.

Which one should i select for the partion scheme?

MBR for BIOS, UEFI
MBR for UEFI
Or GPT for UEFI

>>58949590
>psu
anything from evga and most psu's from corsair as they're the go-to people for psu's, still to be safe, make sure the product has a ton of high ratings across multiple sites.

>case
swap the tesseract windowed blue for the non-windowed white as with the red ram, it will look horrible.
>gpu
I don't know what you are playing, but go with the rx470

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>>58949723
Bootable and by that I mean I'm installing windows 7 on a brand new computer.

>>58949492

pro oem

>>58949726
>>58949645
>t. Pajeets
the 470 has shitty drivers and has power draw issues, 1050 ti is better

>>58945810
(You)

someone has time and effort to build me a PC for aprox. 900$ that I'd use for gaming. I'd go with AMD stuff, since I am not richfag. I'd like to go with mITX or mATX case that's cube shaped, Fractal seems expensive though, and I'm not sure how would it work. I'd run 2 monitor setup that I already have, one for browsing and youtube, 2nd one for in game stuff.

>>58949793
#waitforzen™ my man.

>>58949772
>t. intel cuck
RX470 is much better than the 1050Ti, deal with it.

>>58949723
The one in your pic.

Why should I buy a pc case when I can use a pizza box?

100% seriously here.

>>58949289
>RX480 is better than the 1060, you should swap the GPU.
Not even that anon, but this is fucking hysterical.

>>58948977
With gsync it doesn't matter if a GPU is "enough"
That being said, some of my games run at 60fps and some of them run at 144fps (the max on the PG278Q), while I do think gsync is necessary because the 1070 "isn't enough" to hit 144fps all the time, I also think that 60hz is a waste of your 1070, even at 1440p
1070 can max any game at 1440p at 60fps. Its more than a "1080p card" (not that I've ever heard anybody call it that, everyone I see praises it as the best 1440p card to buy)

Getting a 1070 soon, would this monitor be a good fit for it? (ASUS PB277Q 27" 1ms (GTG) TN Panel): https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236721&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=IGNEFL021417&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL021417-_-EMC-021417-Index-_-LCDLEDMonitors-_-24236721-S0F&ignorebbr=1

>>58949552

thanks for this it looks good

>>58949130
144hz
1440p is cool and all but is easily forgotten
144hz looks amazing every time
Of course this basically only applies to games, but it's definitely worth it. Looks like an entirely different machine with some good 144fps media (but that's basically only games)

I'm currently looking for a replacement for my current computer,
since the GPU is dieing on me and the motherboard has an history of eating ram sticks on channel A for no reason.
I'm from Portugal

I'm looking at a store that sells some prebuilt ones done by them, in particular this one:

>CPU
Intel® Core™ i7-7700K Quad-Core, 4.2 GHz , Turbo 4.5 GHz, 8 MB Cache
>CPU Cooler
Nox Hummer H-312
>Box
Nox Hummer ZX (ATX/M-ATX)
>Mobo
MSI H270M Bazooka (M-ATX)
>GPU
MSI GeForce GTX 1060 6GT OCV1
>RAM
G.SKILL Ripjaws V 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-2400MHz
>Storage
SSD 2.5" Samsung 850 Evo 250GB TLC SATA
>PSU
XFX XT 600W
>Optical Drive
LG 24X DVD-RW Sata (Doesn't matter, really)

The bundle comes reasonably cheaper than buying each component by itself and it saves me some effort/money.

In my current rig i have 2x256GB Samsung 840 Pro SSDs, which i can probably use one a new build safely, the main one
has 15TB writes (OS/Games/Software) and the 2nd one has 2TB writes (Documents, Images, basically storage).

From those parts i'm definetely sticking to the CPU, RAMs and a 6GB+ 1060 of some sort, any advice on motherboards / psus / boxes?

>>58949772
I love nvidia products and all but that's plain wrong, the 470 is better than the 1050ti
1050 really has no competition at that price though

>>58949872
>1440p is cool and all but is easily forgotten

that doesn't even fucking make sense

1440p looks a million times better than 1080p and 60-7-fps looks perfectly fine - 100+ fps only matters for competitive online games

>>58949900
This rx470 is much better than the 1050. But a cheap 1050ti is nice if you find a cheap one for like 100$.

I personally went with the rx470 and love it.

>>58949908
Yeah I love playing my games at 1440p 7FPS.

>>58949908
100+ fps looks godly, I would literally pay for my monitor again if it meant all videos were 144fps too
1440p is just an extended screen, sure it's nice but the extra ppi isn't enough to amaze and the extra screen space is kind of a meme unless you get a huge screen and use no scaling

>>58949933

1070 runs 1440p at 60+ frames though, retard

>>58949948
No I run it off my HD 5450. I'm just saying I love playing through my games at 7 fps.

>>58949936
And I'm saying this as someone who was dead-set on 1440p/60hz because I thought high-res was more important when I was buying this. I decided to not cheap out and get both high res and high hz.
The 1440p is nice and all, I'm not going to complain about that, but the 144hz with 144fps games, god damn that changes the whole gay men experience

>>58949793
or should i get a 1080p 144hz screen? open to suggestions.

>>58949552
>I gave 1080p@144Hz a go, but I ended up preferring 1440p@60Hz a lot more.

Why? I've never heard this sort of opinion before.

>>58949552

that monitor is crap

wait for this if you're not retarded

https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Monitors/23-24-inch/55980-G2460PG#enq

>>58949908
>that doesn't even fucking make sense

yeah it does

60fps is old shit

it's all about 100+ now in 2017

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How am I doing here? Thinking I'm probably going to go full overkill and get a GTX 1080 even if I can barely use it

>>58946709
this post is extremely autistic

>>58950180
He's right though, absolutely no point in getting an M2 drive unless it's NVME
And even then the Samsung drives do have a sizable lead in speed

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>2012+5
>60FPS

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>>58950197

Don't bother replying. Any time someone posts something concise, the person with no rebuttal always resorts to calling it autistic.

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>>58950197
So you are saying I shouldn't get this?

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>>58950272
That is an NVME drive...
According to this review that came out 8 hours ago, it's better than a 600p but still much slower than a 950/960Pro
But it's $200, that's really up to you.

>>58950300
I'm sure it's plenty fast to someone who has only ever used HDDs

>>58944139

Gtx1080 owner here at 1440p 144hz

Go 1080p
Seriously
1440p was a mistake
It's marginally better looking than 1080p with 1/2 the fps.
Most AAA titles run 70fps.
Making the 144hz meaningless

>>58950272
>8 Gb/s
>actually 32 Gb/s or 8GB/s
HOW DOES EVEN THE HARD DRIVE RETAILER FUCK THIS UP
IT SAYS THE PROTOCOL ON EVERY M2 SLOT

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Okay fuck this 1070 shit derailing the thread.

Get a fucking 1080p@144hz monitor and see how you like it.

Get a 1440p@60hz monitor afterwards.

Experiment and see which you like better for your own personal needs.


Now shut the fuck up.

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>>58950300
>falling for the nvme memes

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>>58950197
No he's not, because m.2 drives are priced about the same as 2.5" drives and have been for years. What world are you living in? Add that to the fact that it won't take any space or need any wires and it will perform just as good.

pic related, I got this for around 40$ CAD 2 years ago because all the 2.5" options were more expensive AND shittier. Stop believing everything /g/ neckbeards say. Even fucking Samsungs 850 are priced the same in 2.5" and m.2 format.

>>58950324
Well yeah but so is a $40 OCZ drive

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>>58950372
>those awful write speeds

>>58950372
The SATA ones like the one you just posted are
NVME drives (the only thing worth putting in an M2 slot) are relatively new and have 5-6x the max bandwidth
SATA is already the bottleneck

>>58950326

1440p is almost twice as much pixels as 1080p. How is that "marginally"? The jump from 1080p to 1440p is similar to 1440p to 4k. It comes down to what size monitor you want, really. 1440p at 25-27" is perfect. 4k at 27" isn't worth it. I would only use 4k at at least 32". 144hz is great. 60hz is just shit no matter what resolution.

>>58950372
Man that is just a shit SSD, SATA or not that's awful

>>58950397
Go ahead and play your games at 4K and 20fps, you can enjoy your pixels on your own time, we won't stop you

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>>58950397

>muh pixels

look dickbag - when you're playing video games you'll notice the 100FPS much more than muh pixels

>>58950397
Actually going from 1440p to 1080p, and then doubling the fps, you get MUCH more pixels per second

I'm gonna build a PC for general purposes and gaming/emulation. But I'm stuck one part, do I go for the 480 or the 1060?

(both are the same price in Canada btw)

>>58950501
480 if you have some power to spare(only get the 8gb)
If not 1060 is just as good though many people are starting to say 480 is the better long term investment because of dx12.

>>58944139

1080p@144Hz is superior for video games on a GTX1070.

I'd only go to 1440p on a GTX1080.

Which gtx 1070 does /pcbg/ recommend? I'm going to be upgrading from my Asus 1060 3gb.

>>58950326
>It's marginally better looking than 1080p with 1/2 the fps.
>>58950486
>and then doubling the fps

1440p/4k rarely needs high anti-aliasing if at all, dropping it should give you way more than half the fps

>>58950326
>1440p was a mistake

your mistake was thinking a single gtx1080 will handle 4k/144hz, it'll barely handle >100fps on 1080p on some games

>>58950616
>Upgrading into the same generation

Why? I usually skip gens

>>58950553
>GPU
>long term investment
By the time DX12 is actually relevant there will be cards more than twice as powerful for the same price or less

>>58950632
I can afford to blow my tax refund and I regret cheeping out for the 1060 3gb. It's going into my spare pc I built from the parts my cousin gave me when he upgraded.

>>58950634
I was assuming he wanted to keep the card because once it gets old he can start emulating.

I had my 560ti since 2012 and just recently upgraded myself.

>>58944139

I paired my 1070 with a 1440p 144hz monitor. It runs slighly older games at 1440p 144fps, and almost everything new at 1440p 60fps. I purposefully bough a monitor a bit above what my gpu could power so that I don't need to upgrade my monitor when I upgrade my gpu next. which will most likely be this year's black friday - depending how good Vega turns out to be.

bong here, is there any hope for reusing my old q6600 in a mini itx emulation build?

Best board I could find is a ZOTAC GeForce 9300-ITX WiFi but I can't find it anywhere and some sources say its DDR 2. 775 socket mini itx boards seem rare and are all ddr 2 with no PCIe.

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WHY WON'T THIS FUCKING RAM STICK FIT IN MY GODDAMN MOBO

THE MOBO IS NEW BUT THE RAM STICK IS ONLY 3-4 YEARS OLD.

Fucking ballsitx ram sticks, Im about to go ballsitix

>>58951248
ram it in there

>>58951278
Oh god damn it it's a DDR3 probably.

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>>58951278

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>>58951278

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>>58950618
>1440p gives you more fps than 1080p

>>58951308
:)

I'm gonna do it..

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/N8tJqk

>>58951533
>look at build
>see au.
Shitpost checks out.

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>>58944044
What are the thermal properties, particularly the resultant heat flow and thermal conductivity, of semen?

>>58951565

explain how it's a shitpost

>>58951589
Nice work. No idea but can't be worse than toothpaste or Nutella.
Please do benchmark the thermals and post results here. Only take care, semen is not only sticky but also conductive.

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Alright how's this now? For reference, this was me at the start of the day >>58945525

Dump the video card, Ill get one when I eventually have time for games or if I run into a lot of 3d rendering. Although the computers running the machines usually take care of that. I'm open to jumping to atx if there's going to be cooling issues when a video card is added. Want to eventually run two of those ssd's in raid0 that backup to the 1tb drive. Using Linux, might have to install winblows for somethings maybe. PSU accounts for video card, one more ssd, two more ram sticks and such.

>>58951678
it looks good

>>58951678

get a c7 cooler for your babby case

>>58946769
Hyperthreading is more like 25- 30% of a core. Keep that research up, you need it.

>>58951678
Get the H7, it's better and worth the few more bucks over the 212.
SSD is decent if you write a lot, but otherwise PNY CS1311 and ADATA SU800 are better.
Swap the WD Blue for a Toshiba P300, much better HDD.
Case is nice, maybe add a third cheapo fan.
PSU is good but depending on the GPU overkill and see if you can find the G3, shouldn't much more expensive but it's worth.

Also if it's primarily for muh science shit wait for Zen. Benchmarks and pricing are promising.

>>58951678
SK Hynix 308 is a better SSD.

>>58950819
Just get a 5350 Kabini if you want an extreme shitbox

>>58950634
((((((investment)))))))

>>58951608

because the monitor choice is absolutely retarded

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/oznerol10/saved/gdTP6h
Fan header or fan splitter? Please link me to one if you know of a good one

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>go to website to buy mobo
>It says they support 7th gen intel
>buy it
>read instruction manual
>It supports only 6th gen.

This is the worst Valentines day of my life. And that's hard because they were always lonely and depressing. Now it's lonely depressing and I aint got no computer.

Is there enough power cord in the PSU to make a noose?

>>58951941
Im retarted. Fan hub

>>58951955
RMA idiot

>>58951955
What motherboard?

>>58951968
>>58951941
>windowless case
>those fans
Just buy NF-A14s and use the splitters that are included. No point in buying a hub either unless you're running more than

1 CPU fan + 2 * [# of motherboard headers]

>>58952012
>no point in buying a hub unless you're running more than two fans

>>58952012
I know you like telling these people you can have two fans per header but you can actually have three fans per header

What a good case that supports a ATX motherboard that won't break the bank? I got a Asus H97-PLUS motherboard, 8gb of Corsair 1600 ddr3, and a i5-4690 for free when my cousin upgraded. i already have a psu and a hdd.

>>58952053
Depends on fan specs. 2 is generally safe.

Thinking about which case to get, silence, noise and temps matter, looks don't. I'm in between the Thermaltake Supressor F31 for 65€ and the Nanoxia DS3 for 69€.
The Tt F31 comes with one shitty fan only, so i'll have to buy 3 Be Quiet Pure Wings 2 for about 22€ while the DS3 comes with 3 decent silent fans.
Only downside is that the DS3 is full metal old school screws style build and supports HSF up to only 165mm which means low profile RAM or no NH-D15.

http://nanoxia-world.com/en/products/cases/deep-silence-series/deep-silence-3/220/deep-silence-3-dark-black

http://thermaltake.com/Chassis/Mid_Tower_/Suppressor/C_00002733/Suppressor_F31/design.htm

What do you think? Does anyone here have either? I know Fractal and Be Quiet cases are also good, but they are more expensive.

>>58952130
Just save up more for a Fractal or a Be Quiet case.

fuck this there are literally 0 decent looking small ITX cases on the market for someone who doesn't want a GPU

I'm going to be building my own case out of wood, how likely is it to catch fire, especially if I want to put a 95W CPU in there? Going to perforate the bottom so the underside of the mobo gets cooled, a bit on the sides as well and will water cool the CPU, the radiator and fans will be on top of the case pushing air out. Is this a good idea?

>>58951955
instruction manuals aren't usually updated, but by now the mobo must have shipped with the kaby lake update. If not then you just need to flash the bios

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>>58952204
Inkubus cases are made out of wood if I'm correct. Look at what they're doing for inspiration.
http://inkubus.de

>>58952012
Im running 5 fans. 2 case and 3 added

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>>58952204
>>58952231
http://www.hardwareslave.com/reviews/chassis/inkubus-300µ-mitx-htpc-personal-cube-chassis-review/

>>58944929
Shit. I was thinking about getting a MSI Z270-A Pro, not what I wanted to hear.

Assuming this is a one time issue, would it be worth it to get a MSI Z270 Gaming M5 over the Z270-A PRO if I'm on a budget. I can afford it but I'd rather save the money if it's not worth it.

I'll just have one GPU, and an m.2 SSD. I might overclock but nothing crazy(just on air.)

>>58952241
Would not recommend running a top fan with that setup if that's what you're thinking.

>>58952012
Is it safe to spraypaint them or something? I dont like the colors

>>58952305
That would throw off the impeller weighting and you wouldn't get the 6-year warranty.

And you have a windowless case, nigga. Come on.

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>>58944044
Need help with case fans
>intake is on the front and a fucking massive fan (like 300mm)
>only have 3 fans total, and 4 fan connectors to use anyways but one is being used for my waterpump.
>case is bitphenix prodigy.

Option A: push out rear of case with fan on top of case for ambient air extraction
Option B: push/pull out of rear of case
Option C: Push/pull out of top of case, but leave rear open.

pic related.

>>58948366
Yeah I get that, but you don't need anywhere near 3 grand to do what you want to do is all I'm saying

>>58952330
Option 2 is best.

Option 1 would mean that the top fan is stealing cool air from the rad. Option 3 is not efficient in terms of airFLOW and the extra turbulence means worse cooling and worse noise.

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>>58952330
>be noctua
>make best air coolers on the market
>too retarded to take ram clearance into account
Fucking austrian mountain jews... do something about this.

>>58952294
I was planning to do one on each side. Care to recommend me something better?

>>58946860
>Do you remember when AMD was kicking Intels ass and Intel had to buy x86-64 partially from AMD?
no

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>>58952376
Kek'd

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>>58952376
Back in the oven, goy.

>>58952380
>3 aftermarkets in the front
>1 stock in the back

>>58952366
I have it currently setup for c because I figure heat rises so it'll help the fans a little naturally. I don't think it would make much of a difference, but for some reason I've been going overkill with my cooling. I can't even overclock and I've got a watercooler with a push/pull config. Temps never break 49c even under full load for an hour.

So I'm thinking about buying this monitor, but the idea of having a monitor delivered from overseas worries me a bit. Anyone have experience with buying monitors overseas?

https://www.newegg.com/global/au/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824160226&cm_re=g2460Pg-_-24-160-226-_-Product

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>>58952389
>>58952390
>only one fan allowed, silly goy
>superiour dual fan air koolin is only for GD's chosen ones
Smells like shoah spirit.

Should i write 5 page long sperg rant and send it to Noctua tomorrow?

m.2 worth it over sata ssd if not working with video/etc? just programming

>>58952472
>Is enthusiast hardware worth it if all I do is some of the least computer-taxing work ever?

>>58952472
If youre going to go with m.2 make sure its NVMe. Not sata

>>58952472
There are two types of m.2. One is sata and one is nvme. Nvme is over twice as fast and is more expensive while sata is cheaper but blocks an actual sata port. But a sata m.2 is still less wiring

>>58952416

never do it

voltage/plug style issues just aren't worth the trouble - just ask around local shops if they're willing to back order

>>58952518
How is sata less wiring desu?

>>58952538
>>58952518
>sata m.2 is still less wiring

>>58952601
Because it plugs into tbe motherboard directly

>>58952619
So does nvme, or am i mistaken

>>58950174
Do it, its worth the overkill

>>58949873
Try to get an EVGA 500W+ psu or check the psu tier list
Any Z-170/Z-270 should work, just check for the ports you need
That box is fine

Posting my productivity build for critique.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4tpq7h

could really use a second set of eyes to make sure i'm not missing anything/comparability issues. been a few years since i built a pc and would love feedback before i pull the trigger.

light gaming in win10, day to day use in linux.

>>58953021
You're missing everything.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tDQZjc
Win 10 because no free 7 lying around to load. Still feel like I've got some problems with the build though. Can't place problem. Goal is solid game/stream dual monitor, 60 fps.

1080 or 1440 dual monitors? Only game I play is Minecraft. Mostly browsing, YouTube, and work stuff (document review and editing).

Really on the fence.

can anyone recommend a quiet micro atx case that fits a cooler master hyper 212 evo cpu cooler.

>>58952601
But you were talking about M2 drives the entire time
M2's don't have the heatsink, temperature readout or capacitor failsafes of higher end SSDs, getting a SATA M2 just to have an M2 is retarded, it's one cable to your motherboard, odds are there's a SATA power cable dangling right next to where you're gonna mount it

>>58953071
And can a GTX 1060 run two 1440 monitors?

>>58953133
Can't say 100%, but probably.

>>58953070
well for streaming, cpu and ram matters so you might want to invest more in those.

>>58953133
Yes it will run your monitors.

>>58953165
Thanks. Any idea why my current system would have construction noises going on if I raise my conference levels on mic or should I take that query elsewhere?

should i replace my thermal paste? i used the stuff that came with a 212 evo and this was 3 years ago. some people say change it twice a year but that seems like a marketing gimmick

>>58953347
I've been using the same 3.5g stick for over 3 years and 8 pastings, and it was like $5 new
I'm sure it's not a marketing gimmick

>>58953279
Your system is making the noise if you raise your levels? Or you're getting feedback in the mic?

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Which one should I go with /g/?

I will be running Lakka live off of a USB so no internal storage drive is needed.

Sure there is a huge price difference but having a modular PC would be much more economic in the future if something were to fail in either. It would also be much more useful having modular parts if I were to re purpose them individually or as a whole.

Pros/ Cons:

The NUC's GPU is about 25% more powerful.
The ITX build's CPU is about 4x more powerfull.
The NUC is about $150 cheaper (inc shipping)
The ITX has better cooling
Note: A 120W PSU is included in the ITX case.

>>58953390
When streaming, sounds good in headphones, viewers complained about banging sounds. Lowered the conference level on mic, banging noise drastically decreased but then they can barely hear me. Oddest thing imo.

>>58953504

Could be vibrations into the microphone?

A while back a few friends of mine got stoned and chilled around the back of one of their houses. One of my mates got out his Go-Pro and recorded our conversations, the camera was in its mount on the table.

The table was made out of glass. I saw my friend again the next day, and we watched the vid he recorded.

Every small vibration into the table, putting a glass down, tapping fingers, placing hands on the table to stand up even, were all picked up by the Go-Pros microphone and amplified a 100X. The conversations we had were inaudible and the whole recorded was deleted.

>>58953562
You know there's an open frame for clear audio right?
In a sealed box I'm not surprised the only thing it can pick up is vibrations of the camera shell

>>58953621

Yo I don't fuckin know I've never owned or held a Go-Pro and we were all high as fuck.

>>58944044
I'm looking to build a gaming/work PC for my wife so I can get her off mine. I wanted to center the build on amd/free sync I have a budget of 900 dollars for keyboard mouse monitor... Well everything. I am going to put in a rx 480 and have the build figured out mostly, but should I wait for ryzen, or should I just go ahead with a fx processor? I'm needing to build this computer by the end of March so I can't wait if amd is going to release the low cost CPUs six months from now.

.

>>58953710
wait for low end zen or get a b250 and 4560.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FW7Wjc
Finally got a decent return.
Am I dumb?

>>58953710
Why the fuck would you buy an FX on purpose, regardless of ryzen's existence?

>>58953806
It's ok for games I'm not about to get a hyper threaded dual core that's just asking to be obsolete. With these consoles having 8 cores it will run atleast until the ps4 pro dies. And my wife could really give less of a shit about ultra graphics just that it runs and that it runs smooth.

>>58953882
>I'm not about to get a hyper threaded dual core that's just asking to be obsolete
>>58953710
>should I just go ahead with a fx processor?
Doesn't want obsolete hardware
buying agricultural tier FX and DDR3 ram for a dead socket.

when do you know it's time to upgrade a part. I'm currently running a Gtx 660 and a i5-3750k. I wanna look into upgrading to a 10 series gtx but I don't know if I'd need to upgrade my motherboard or CPU as well.

>>58953929

A 10 series will fit in the same PCI-E slot as the 660.

You can find this out by looking up the Bus Standard of the GPU you want and then looking up your motherboard model and seeing if it supports the same.

In regards to upgrading your CPU, if you overclock it 20-25% it will be fine for another 2 years if you're into high/ ultra shit.

Ive got a 20~% OC on my GTX780 SC and my 3770K is running at 5.0GHz. I have no intention of upgrading in the next couple of years.

Not very computer smart person here. What part(s) would be the most important for lower recording latency for recording music? I would assume the processor and sound card but I don't really know to be honest.

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>>58953929
clocked 3570k should be fine for a 1070.

>>58953929
>>58953993

Sorry I never answered your original question. Personally, if I'm not getting the performance I want it's time to consider an upgrade. But that's just preference. Another indicator is when sockets and such are no longer supported by newer hardware.

>>58954012

what website is this?

>>58953927
FX is not bad for gaming or even everyday use but most games see that hyper threaded weak ass pentium as just a 2 core CPU still. If ANYONE is buying a fake quad core in 2017 even if it is "cheap" you are getting fucked. The FX series may be obsolete in terms of upgrading but put it up against benchmarks not focused on IPC and it whips that pentiums ass. Besides the computer is not ONLY for gaming as I said.

>>58954032
>talk shit about fake cores
>considering buying FX
Top lel
Just go waste your money on obsolete shit m8 you've clearly already convinced yourself.

>>58954012
would I need any additional cooling if I overclock ~20%?

>>58954029
userbenchmark
>>58954245
from oem? yes. I have a 212

>>58944044
So I have a 120mm fan spot for what is effectively "under" my cpu spot.

Should this blow in or out?

>SEASONIC Platinum 760 (SS-760XP2)

how are seasonics these days?

>>58954427
warm air goes up, cold air goes down

so, if your fans are vertical they all should point up

decent ATX case for under $100?

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>>58954443
no its not a pizzabox

its a fanspot on the backside of the case "underneath" the CPU spot

>>58954454
oh, i wouldn't put anything there, there is just backplate, most cases don't even have holes there
but if you want to, then it should theoretically push air out, it might create vacuum cleaner effect though if it doesn't have airflow there and make things worse

>>58954476
>i wouldn't put anything there, there is just backplate

wtf are you talking about, lol :)

a big feature of the case is that fan position (its just a moderate antec)


with thought what way should i go?

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>>58954508
>a big feature of the case is that fan position
that is absolutely useless? fans on the sides make things worse.

you need to make tube like airflow,fans on sides just make air spinning inside case slowing it down

Carbide 200R
I have this thing, I had to saw out front panel to make it more air flow friendly, dropped like 4C'

Tried fans on top, on side, it makes things worse.

I slightly twisted my 212 evo and it seems it's supposed to twist a little. My question is: does hat fuck with the thermal paste? I used mx4 which is slippery as fuck. Do I need to reapply that shit?

>>58954560
if you didn't pull it up, probably not
if you did pull it a little it might have air bubbles

>>58954436
Still the best.

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did I do good /g/?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H92M6X
I'm getting all the parts by tomorrow. I haven't gotten an ssd yet because I kinda ran out of money for the build now; but I'll be getting one as soon as I can.

>>58953882
The FX series is fucking garbage
Don't let the hype fool you, this ain't hype because AMD *was* good, it's hyper because AMD stopped being complete garbage and flipped to possibly being the better option in one shitwrecking generation

>>58954550
b b b b ullshit


i can increase or decrease air pressure in certain places.


your a retard if you think not running fans on the sides is better in these leaky cases than using them widely.


honestly at this rate im going to run it exaust if no one has a real answer.

draw down some air from the board

>>58954032
No the FX series is obselete because it's shit, not because you can't upgrade it.
I know it's so much easier to just be retarded but stay with us here

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>>58954032
>but put it up against benchmarks not focused on IPC
>it's not only for gaming
Name ONE multicore-optimized program you use on a regular basis.
I'll wait.

>>58954603
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H92M6X


coulda shaved 50 or more bucks on the ram and mobo and kept same specs/performance

thats all i got. looks solid af either way. enjoy that fucker :)

>>58954508
Yeah I'd just leave it as a vent
There's no real airflow options there behind the motherboard, it's just an exposure to fresh air, probably best to just leave it and let the backside of the CPU have that vent

>>58954613
Side vents are best left as vents unless you have a serious, consistent, unidirectional aerodynamic in your case.
You want to suck the air in and launch the air out, side vents with fans tend to fuck all this up and either let hot air build up in the case or detract seriously from the CPU cooler
Combined with the fact that this is a side vent BEHIND the motherboard, just don't fuck with it

>>58954603
whered you get an i7 for 300 anon

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>>58954632
>>58954603


bad time for random access meme now

>>58954637
>>58954654

Thanks guys. for real :)

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>>58954664
Got lucky on ebay. There was a sale recently that made i7's go for $310. A guy was making a build for a customer who bailed so he was trying to sell the parts still in box. I offered $300 for the i7 during the sale and he accepted lucky for me.
>>58954678
[spoiler]I wanted rgb[/spoiler] I know, I'm part of the problem

pic related is the case the components are going in

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Hey same idiot from earlier here.
I bought a
ASRock Z170A-X1/3.1. A site said it supported 7th gen CPU but in the instructions it said only 6th. I emailed pajeet but I don't think he understands and just says it can support 6th gen.

If the motherboard didn't get an bios update is it possible to use my old i5-2300 CPU on the motherboard and update the BIOS and then switch?

This is my first time building a PC

>>58954776
it needs a BIOS update most likely

>>58952871
Gigantic fucking waste of money.
Also define "productivity"

>>58952871
id view underage trap porn on that


gj

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>>58954835
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z170A-X13.1/

It's pretty confusing. Do you think it can support a 2nd gen CPU if not a 7th?

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Is there any ATX horizontal case like so? Basically a bit like a workbench, except it's a case and it's not mATX.
It would make for more compact cases, more airflow and no bending of the gpu/cooler.

>>58954972
Is that motherboard facing up instead of the side? If so it might put weight on the motherboard

>>58954972
Core P5 is the only unit I know of that isn't necessarily a bench. It's not quite an enclosure either. The P3 is essentially the same, though smaller. Both accommodate ATX mobos.

Rate this gaming pic - $1100au

Intel i5 7400 3gh/z
Nvida 3gb GTX 1060
8Gb Corsair DDR4 Ram
ASRock Fatal1ty Mobo
Cool master case with 500W power supply
2tb of storage
Windows 10

>>58955064
>Cool master case with 500W power supply
That should ring alarm bells, especially if the model of the PSU isn't mentioned. Get the case and PSU separately, and get a good quality PSU.

>>58955064
POS locked i5, 3gb 1060, assrock mobo, nobrand psu, no ssd
Worthless.

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https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/WxpGtJ

Not too shabby?

>>58955239
Bueno

is tempered glass really worth it over acrylic? any anons have experience with both?

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>superior in every way
HA HA HA

How do GPUlets even compete?

>>58954950
No. You need to use a 6th gen skylake chip to update it to support 7th gen.

>>58955780
Shit thanks.

https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/kW4Ljc

>tfw I made a list too early
>now I suffer the agonizing wait of saving up for it

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>>58955979
>new zealand prices

Hey boyos, incredibly general question but figure I can get some interesting responses. I have about $100 in Amazon gift cards and have no clue what I can/should buy. Thinking of something for my Pc?

I5-6500
8gb 2400 RAM
1060 3gb

Have peripherals like mouse, keyboard, headset.

>>58956148
SSD or another 8GB ram are the obvious choices.

>>58953070
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T8FtHN
Changed per >>58953165 suggestion. Seems better for the dual monitor stream. No compatibility problems. I think I'm just about satisfied with the build.

Unless you really have a need for a super slow system and for some reason can't go used, that's a stupid build.

Hey /g/, how is this compooter for a prebuilt? I plan on upgrading it a ton but I'm just gonna start here.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883221303

>>58956264
Have a 240gb ssd. Figured the RAM but interested if other options

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Been a while since I've gotten any new parts, do I have any obvious bottlenecks?

>>58956448
>cooler
with that cooler, it's not going to be cool or quiet and in time, it's going to bother you a lot, get something like a C7 or noctua nh-l9i,
>mobo
if you're getting a z270 mobo, might as well get an I7 7700.
>ram
I don't know why you still have the 1x8 kit of ram in there

this build could use an ssd

>>58957219
Update GPU and get a SSD

Should I build a PC I have a rough idea for around 1k involving 1070 and i5 not sure but I want to play witcher 3 but that's about it right now though..

>>58958009
No. Wait for Zen, it's already around the corner.

ey

Does anyone have the Sapphire NITRO+ RX 480? It's surprisingly cheap and that usually is the case for a reason.