/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

My Thinkpad is a mid-2012 i7 Macbook Pro.

Is it true the low voltage cpu of the x240 matches the x230's in performance or is a chinaman trying to trick me again?

>>58868376
x230's i5 3320m still scores higher than the skylake 6200u but the integrated graphics on skylakes beats the hd 4000

What RAM upgrade did you guys get? My old x220 only has 4GB of memory and I'm upgrading that shit.

>>58868900
Whatever is of a reputable brand and works.

Go for the fast timings if you want an unnoticeable speed boost.

Hell, it really doesn't matter.
In my X230 I've got mixed DDR3 and DDR3L right now of different brands. No issues.

Guys I have a problem processor low clock speed in windows 10 when I remove the battery and plug in laptop charger...

how to solve this

thinkpad T420

how's gaming on the 5200m 1gb ?

>>58869118
A 90 watt charger instead of the 65 watt one you're using

>>58869232
the problem is when using OSX the processor running full speed with turbo...

so not the charger problem

>>58869367
Is it a 65 watt charger or not?

>other business laptops

Is it common for used E6400/E6410' s to have some wobble in lid hinges?

It wobbles a few degrees. Outside this amplitude, it feels stiffish as it should, just like on any thinkpad I've had.

I'm puzzled whether the wobble is in the hinges themselves, or have they perhaps become loose where they're bolted onto the lid. I guess in the latter case I should fix it asap, yet I'm not too eager to go ahead since removing the bezel seems a bit tricky.

>>58869062
>>58868900
if i recall correctly, it doesn't matter if you use mismatched brands

what does matter is that the voltage and capacity of both sticks should be the same

>>58869404
sorry i can't answer your question, but how has the dell been treating you?

after much research and usage of both thinkpads and latitudes, i think the elitebooks more sturdy and even aesthetically appealing than the latitudes, but i have never tried one so i can't made a valid comparison

>>58869380
yes 65w

>>58869463
silly poop head, you're using an x-model thinkpad charger

get a 90w 20v, they are like $9.75 with free shipping, assuming you are in the US

Will my 55+ battery burst into flames?

>>58869482
I don't think the charger is the problem...

in windows 7 the processor run full speed with Turbo..

Who wants to tell me about the experience of having an X220

is it delightful

does it feel sensual to have an X220

I feel like 12.5" is not large enough

>>58869541
With the battery out?

Because A: you're getting replies from 2 people now, B: I have no Hackintosh experience, and C: The T420 throttling without a battery on a 65 watt charger is also a known issue in Windows

>>58869572
I don't know about the X220 but my X230T is very nice.

>>58869580
yes... battery out..

and thats the standard power charger from manufacturer..
my T420 is custom build,
my T420 didn't even have camera on it

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>>58869628
Well I guess everyone in the world is retarded except you :(

>>58869572
State your use case. It varies from perfect to cramped depending on what you do with it.

>>58867986
IdeaPads suck quite badly.
A neighbor came asking for help because her laptop was frozen, impossible to turn it off and open it would mean avoiding the warranty.

Stick to the thinkpads, ffs

>>58869572
its cool, but I would still pick a T4__ over it

as other anon said, what is your use case? are you just using your laptop at home? get a t420

are you looking for a more versatile device you can whip out anywyhere, or do you travel frequently? then definitely get either an x201 or x220

>>58869681
My T420 have integrated graphic..
the 'everyone' is having the throttle problem is the one with discreet graphic...

>>58869681
I already buy the 90w charger...

>>58869572
Have two. Got one barely used. Another brand new. Best laptops I had since an old 2012 macbook pro that still works. Used both to work and shitpost. Both run linux. I would like a 1600x900 screen though.

>>58869413
Not really. I'm using both DDR3L and normal voltage DDR3 and it's fine.

>>58869681
I buy compatible 90W not original power charger.. is it work??

>>58869696
>>58869742

Mainly for work stuff and 4champs. Work stuff is a lot of spreadsheets and datasets though, I like a bigger display for that.

I can get a 410 for the same price, worth a punt?

Shoutout to the Asian guy browsing /g/ on a T60 with tape over the webcam at the Philz on Ocean Ave. :^)

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>>58869739

I got an IdeaPad for free once since Lenovo is a client of my Dad's company.

I use it for light vidya but after leaving it idle for a few months the battery no longer charges

>>58870032
>I got an IdeaPad for free
this should the only way to own one

You ever use your thinkpad on the toilet?

>>58869954
Personally I can't stand doing any real work without real peripherals. Would highly recommend a docking station no matter what you buy.

The difference in horsepower between the '10 and '20 series is going to be noticeable. And I don't think the resolution between the two is going to make a significant difference in usability.

>>58870261

Good thing I've got my trusty x220. I barely touch the IdeaPad.

Even for online vidya the thing is awful because whatever ethernet connector they put in the thing is trash.

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>>58870025
us /g/ posters LOL dont forget your meme stickers

>>58870396
d00d, dont insult my beloved Lain by posting her here

>>58870366
I used to.
I also used it on my bed and blocked the fan intake and it ran so hot that it eventually blew the ccfl backlight inverter and some fuses and it wouldn't POST anymore.

Even before that, it stopped POSTing, so if I wanted to cold boot it, I had to get a can of compressed air and shoot it into the fan to pretend it was still working correctly to get past the POST.

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>>58870025
>tape over the webcam

Should I do this?

>>58870557
No. Patches are more stylish

>>58870557
Depends. Taping it over is kinda inconsequent. On a ThinkPad you have the green light that informs you if the webcam is on. If you don't trust the indicator LED you can of course tape it over. But if you don't want to be spied on, being watched should be your smallest concern. Just think about what information criminals could gain through the internal microphone. I'd be more worried about that. And if you decide to take out the microphone you might as well take out the speakers because technically these are microphones too.

>>58870557
Yes, but only after you disable it in the BIOS

>>58868640
But the X240 uses a Haswell processor anon.

>>58870624
Can malware still turn it on after it's disabled in bios?

>>58870774
Malware probably not, but NSA potentially.

>>58869954
I use a 410, beat it with a cane for 5 minutes straight tuesday to relieve stress. Shit works perfectly still, just had to pop the bezel back on.

Is there anywhere you can get legit original trackpoints or at least high quality Chinese ones?

>>58870396
There's literally nothing wrong with a couple meme stickers as long as they're not from video games, /pol/ related and you're not just randomly slapping them all over.

eBay is full of overpriced thinkpads...
whats the best alternative in Europe?

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>>58871382
>in Europe

What's the FRU number of the W520 dock that supports USB 3.0?

>>58867986
I'm totally fine with my W541 and X201t. I can't think of anything additional that would meet any of my needs.

What do you do with your thinkpad other than shitpost and programming?

I just got my x230 and I'm very impressed with the keyboard. I thought the chiclets would be shit. Maybe I've just been conditioned to be happy with how crappy they are on other laptops.

>X201i just came in (i3 processor)
>turn on
>use
>somehow the performance is better than my regular X201 (i5 processor)
>both have freshly installed windows.
what gives

>>58871614
Gonna start CAD next year for aerospace engineering. My W530 should be plenty, and I should get lots of lolling from 1500$ Alienware/Mac idiots trying and failing to into autoCAD as I laugh with my 500$ brick.

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There's a local listing for the E570 fully loaded NIB for $600.

S-should I?

Why is there so much screen burn-in on my x230t I just got? After-images appear in less than a minute.

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>tfw my thinkpad is only 10km away but it's not going to be delivered until after the weekend because it missed the local driver morning pickup

I've went to visit my family and forgot to take my charger, but my father has a Lenovo(non thinkpad) that uses the same port
The question is can I actually use it because of the same port or will I fry my laptop/the charger/the house ?
The laptops in question are T550 and E50-80 if that matters

>>58872533
use your head and figure it out yourself.

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muh x201 still just werks

don't really see why people spend hundreds of dollars on laptops when you can buy one of these

I've just had to reassemble (completely) my T430s for unrelated reasons.
Now the camera and battery leds don't work.
Logically I'm assuming I didn't connect properly the LVDS cable (from the monitor), but it is plugged perfectly fine.
Any ideas how to debug this?

>>58873147
Probably because they want a laptop without a dog shit worthless junk TN display. Your photograph is of poor quality but despite that I can still clearly see the pathetic viewing angle on that display and horrible blue tint which is indicative of a bottom-tier TN panel with piteous black levels and contrast ratio.

>>58873446
The blue tint is probably more related to the white balance of the camera being unable to balance the yellow light of the lamp with the blue light of the display and window.

>>58873147

>muh cuckpad for mousing

Why not get the X200? There's no justifiable reason in <current year> to have a trackpad.

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>>58873592
>intentionally using older hardware for the sole reason that it does not include something that you don't like that has no effect on the computer.

>>58873147
>first gen i5
no

>>58873829
Thats what I was thinking.

My third gen i5 in my x230 sucks too much power as it is.

I wish I could install a magical unicorn CPU that is ULV when it needs to be, and turbo boosts up to 4-5ghz when I need it to, thermals allowing.


Hmmmm... Ideal ThinkPad?
An X220 that has the latest hardware and is a bit thinner without sacrificing ports or durability.

Anyone know what the best whitelisted Wi-Fi card I can put into an X230 is? I know there is a whitelist that can only be defeated with a special tool (so fuck that).

>bought a W520
>old T60p is much more comfy

>>58873915
Probably the Intel 6205, you might even have to buy the specific Lenovo version of it.

>>58873958
Thats what its got now, thanks.

Whitelists on Wi-Fi are totally pointless. You can bypass it with a USB adapter, and they don't whitelist anything else. like hard drives or batteries.

Why do they do this?

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>>58873592
>getting an X200 when you can just swap the palmrest on the X201/X201s
plebeian

I feel like I already know the answer to this one but what do you guys think of Thinkpad 13. I loved the keyboard and the specs look alright and it's light and felt like it was well made.

>>58872363
Didn't they give you a "Sorry we missed you" slip or something so you can just drive there and show them that and get it?

>>58874006
why losing a usb port?

They do because they take FCC regulations too seriously. HP also does it. Dell did it too but I don't know if they still do this today.

>>58871495
all i7 versions do.

>>58874134
FCC only mandates that the laptop complies when shipped. Not that the customer cannot modify it afterward.

Whitelisting wifi cards is equivalent to prohibiting USB wifi cards from being installed.

Is this Thinkpad good or does it suck?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA24G3SW1667

>>58874242
Run from it like the plague.

>>58874283
Why exactly?

Im just looking for a Thinkpad running Win 7 with preferably 1080p.

>>58873592
I bought this computer for $10 at an auction. Can't be too picky about such things in that scenario.

>>58873829
yes

>>58873147
they haven't hit a point where they have realized that basically everything is a scam

>>58873559
This is correct. In person the screen has good color. Viewing angles and contrast are just okay, but it's a laptop so whatever. If I want a very pretty picture I will be at my desktop.

>>58874305
E series is trash. Get a T520 or T530 off Ebay for a fraction of the price.

>>58874486
agree they are fucking horrible

>>58874305
E series thinkpads are basically normal craptops that say "ThinkPad" on them are are sold at a premium.

so I just bought, and am typing on a 2016 thinkpad yoga.

I got it for $760, but the screen has these yellow spots in the corners. Turns out this is a problem with these.

Is it worth trying to repair / repairing myself? or do I rma it and wait for something else to come up? is it worth trying to find an x1 yoga?

I'm liking most of it so far. I'm going to boot ubuntu first though. to see if everything works.

>>58874772
by yellow spots do you mean backlight bleed? show us a photo

>>58874791
its really only visible on a black screen h/o I'll see if I can get a pic. but it might be hard to see.

it is definitely defective. I looked online for some other examples, and this one is pretty bad.

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>>58874791

2 other corners like this, but this one is the worst

>>58874921
is it only noticeable on dark/black backgrounds/images

>>58875080
yes

>>58874169
Seriously, the only way to know the real reason to keep using the whitelist is by asking someone working in lelnovo(Morrisville, Yamato Lab or any facility working on the ThinkPad engineering), preferably an engineer, public relations or press people almost never give a proper answer to really technical questions. Unfortunately I dom't know anybody close to Lenovo.

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This is the new P51

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>>58875158
All ports seem to be on the back for some reason

>>58875123
Its definitely backlight bleed and unfortunately you cant really do anything about it other than change the panel out. Its caused by poor quality control when the display is manufactured. Most displays are prone to some level of backlight bleed (heck even my pg348q has some) but that seems like too much. I'd RMA it try and get another laptop, unfortunately though there is no guarantee that will will be perfect either, could even be worse...

>>58875171
>hdmi
>instead of displayport
why?

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>>58875201
Looks like it also has mini displayport on the left.

>>58875177
I suspected as much. I already had the label emailed to me.

I guess the question is more of whether its worth replacing the panel, or doing the rma.

I was looking again and I didnt even see any others on sale for the pricepoint.

or even ~850.

So my parents are letting me buy a laptop for college, up to the price of a macbook. I'm assuming 1700$ since that's the entry level cost of a macbook pro with the touchbar. My plan is to buy an X270 at launch with the fastest processer available, IPS 1080p screen, then add 16gb of RAM and a 1TB SSD soon as I get it. I know the T470 has thunderbolt 3 and the X270 doesn't, but I don't want to lug around a larger laptop - even my 13 inch macbook air I'm currently using feels a little too big.

Is this a decent plan, or is there anything I'm really missing out on without TB3? inb4 "get a desktop with the money and then buy a X220" - parents don't want me to get a desktop or a gaming laptop, and since they're the ones paying I'm fine going along with that and figure a thinkpad is the best way to get something I know I can rely on for years to come regardless.

>>58874169
USB adapters have their antennas homologated to the device. It's not the same.
I'm still against whitelisting.

>>58870261
ideapads are goodawful. I really don't know why people buy those when better options exist

>>58875311
get a 2015 rMBP if you want a mac or... (since this is /tpg/)
get a T460s with 1440p display, Win7 Pro (forget about Home, it doesn't allow legally a downgrade) and 2 or 3-year onsite(carry-in is shit and should be avoided).

>>58875401
The T460s looks nice, but I've heard mixed things about the battery. Is it really that bad? the 20 hours battery life on the X260/X270 sounds amazing (and even though it's not thunderbolt, having a USBC port would be nice)

when there is a laptop on amazon and it says
>fd only laptop
what does that mean?

https://youtu.be/nEyk4O_zl-Y?t=269
>4:29
>Let's turn a thinkpad on the size for liquid to drain and then mop it with a towel

That woman is a fucking retard

Is it possible to put an old Thinkpad keyboard in a chiclet version one?

>>58875637
It's possible for the x30 models, but you have to do some tedious shit like flashing the embedded controller firmware or slightly modify some plastic parts
Just google it

>>58875690
Came across a thread for switching the W530's with the 520's.

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=104315

Looks doable, with some key rebinds.

>>58875637
http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Install_Classic_Keyboard_on_xx30_Series_ThinkPads

>>58875637
I did the X220 keyboard swap to my x230. It's fantastic. The only thing I don't have is the FN-spacebar "zoom" that I have never used anyway and the caps lock light. There are some tricks to the EC flash that aren't documented. Some people would just already know what to do but I didn't and had to figure it out. Check the archive, I explained it all step by step and it may save you some time.

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>>58870622
Just use a non-botnet OS and a pre-management engine CPU.

X40 is mighty comfy.

>>58873446
If you just use a terminal all the time it's really not a problem.

Plus they use less power.

Any recommended mods for 2015 X1 Carbon?

>>58874018
B O T N E T

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>>58875959
Pic related.

>>58875936
how is the Pentium M performing for you? are you comfortable with the 1.5GB of RAM?

Should I buy the official X220 battery for $200? Or is anyone aware of a good third party battery?

>>58875936
>no rollcage

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>>58875158
sexy

>>58874064
No I meant the package only made it to the local sorting facility after 9am, so the chance of any driver picking the item up for delivery today is essentially nil.

>>58876092
Ah I see...FeelsBadMan

>>58873829
Core 2 Duo is still viable on laptops. An i5 of any generation will be sufficient for 99% of people.

>>58876051
>for $200?

Jesus christ dude you can just buy a second x220 for that

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>>58876185

I don't know if it's just Canadians are getting fucked again but all official think pad batteries on newegg are $200+

>>58873829
with an ssd and >4 gb of ram, why not?

>>58876255
>on newegg are $200

most used markets have ridiculous markup, it's best to price check between ebay and amazon too

>>58876255
lol just buy them on American Ebay. USD will fuck you, but not that much.

At least you can buy most stuff from the USA version of ebay, unlike Amazon.

>http://www.ebay.com/bhp/lenovo-x220-battery

>>58876255
new batteries are not cheap. Part of the reason a used laptop is cheap is because it has an old battery that is probably used up half its charges and only has 80% of its original capacity.

even in the old days. new cellphone batteries were like $30-50 and they were much smaller capacity.

>>58867986
Should I get a Yoga 370? Or would a Surface Pro still be more like it?

Would like a decently powerful machine for writing notes/problems during lectures + engineering software

>>58875171
>back ports
muh dick

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Can you guys fap to this

I CAN TRY!

my x61 no longer detects my network cable
y

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>>58875158
C H I C K L E T C H I N K T O P

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hows the X201 i5?
one in my area is $99 with a dock

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To whoever asked about the trackpoint caps
It was taken from a X230 keyboard, which is similar to the T520's. However they are slightly thinner and pressing them was hard because it was recessed.
I just applied a small piece of paper and tape to lift it up a bit.
I had the trackpoint buttons a little bit higher, so it felt pretty good, as the response was very quick, but bad if you get misclicks.

>>58869404
No, they should be firm, like firmer than a T400 if you ever had one.
The hinges probably need to be fixed sometime in the future.

>>58869572
I like them, got an X220T right now.
X230 is better, USB 3.0 and HD 4000 graphics.
However given the ThinkPad 13 is out, maybe try that thing out?

>>58870025
There was a business that had ordered fleets of E6430's with webcams and most of the users had tape over their cams... funny how $1500 was spent and they did that...
Though I can't complain because their IT department could of removed those and it would of been a bitch to resell them kinda.

There's a guy selling an x230 near me used for $120. He says it's only got an 8gb HDD in it but it seems like he might not know much about it so he might be talking about its RAM. Would it even be able to run Win7 with a bunch of programs with that small a HDD? Also is it worth it if I wanted to swap out the keyboard?

>>58875690
Takes like 2min in the terminal

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>>58870757
I think anonnu was trying to point out that the Ivy Bridge is still a beast.

>>58871382
Immigrating to Syria is the proper choice

>>58871617
They are nice
If this is your first or second thinkpad, the change might not be a big deal.

>>58872047
Nah.

>>58875201
Because, people will pass up that laptop for it not having HDMI.
It's slowly becoming more standard than DP, or rather, HDMI is alongside DP on monitors.

I'm fairly sure that ThunderBolt port is replacing DP in this case, HDMI replacing VGA then.

>>58875454
No one uses amazon to find deals on thinkpads.
They usually charge 10 to 200% more than eBay and local sales.
Hell they are more expensive than what you can get at Lenovo because they are third party lol

>>58875936
Been wanting one but putting it off.
Maybe when I find a decent PATA to CF Card or mSATA I'll check one out
>dat triangle bottom case
I really don't need one, 240, X131e, X61T and AFFS X31 is sufficient for muh 12" needs.

>>58877420
Win7 can barely fit in a 22GB SSD after drivers and decent programs.
SSDs are so cheap, you can get like a used 128 for like $40 tops.
It probably has 8GB RAM, maybe a 320GB HDD, or maybe none... $120 not that bad though for local.

I have a netbook fetish, any good sub 11.5 inch buisiness laptops? hp/dell/lenovo are all the same to me. Pref. with atleast 2gb of ram or the capability for such.

>>58876267
You don't really even need more than 4gb of ram if you run Xubuntu.

>>58877519
>No one uses amazon to find deals on thinkpads.
I always look at the used / refurbished prices.
I just find amazon easier to search than ebay.

the deals arnt that bad...

>>58877420
Modern Windows isn't going to be functional on 8GB. Certainly worrkable with linux, but he's probably talking about RAM anyway. You could probably find cheaper if it's otherwise quite basic, but it comes down to condition and the fact that it's local.

>>58877533
Lenovo has made some netbooks, though all they probably have going for them over others is a decent keyboard and trackpoint. Unfortunately proper small netbooks don't really get made anymore save for special models marketed for schools.

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Running Xubuntu 16.04 from minimal net install with an old Intel SSD I got on ebay for $15. The cpu is an i5-540m.

Is it faster to boot with the animation or with the text?

>>58877705
Text will be faster, but the difference is going to be negligible so whatever you like the look of is gonna be the go.

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What are some nice anime stickers to get for my laptop?

>>58877667

Yeah that's what I assumed. I should also mention I'm in Aus and $200+ seems to be the going rate for any of the x series.

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Have an X220. Bought bigger pic related. connected via usb 2.0-->SATA cable. Doesn't show up anywhere. Not in BIOS, not in windows (10), not in Samsung cloning software or any third party cloning software.

Tested cable with old HD, worked perfectly, so it's not the cable. Tested new SSD with MBP, also didn't pop up at all.

Is the SSD just dead? is there any kind of special magic driver I need? I have had absolutely no luck with this and have been googling around for solutions all night.

>>58878008
are you trying to put it inside, or trying to attach it via some usb enclosure?

also why even get an ssd if you are going to connect it via usb? just get a regular sipinny disk, you are still gunna max the bandwidth.

If I bought a 710C, would it be feasible to replace parts to the point that it's as good as a t420?

>>58877705
>>58877705
why does it keep rebooting??

stoopid fuckin looonix

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>>58877898
http://www.redbubble.com/people/wordwidesymbols/works/14333484-chinese-air-force-roundel?p=laptop-skin&type=generic_15

https://www.redbubble.com/people/warbirdwear/works/13709125-the-peoples-liberation-army-air-force?grid_pos=4&p=sticker

I know I'd make a >red and black meme with the Thinkpad, but the PLAAF roundel would look really slick on a Thinkpad, and kind of similar to actual current chink prototype planes. Shame they don't have big ones except for the 30$ skin.

Other than that, I wouldn't dare show my turbo autism every time I open my laptop.

>>58878008
sounds like its dead i just installed one into my t530 and had 0 issues.

>>58869572
The screen is small as hell. I bought an X230T in 2012, used it for a few weeks and bought a W530 to try the opposite end of the scale. I still have both of them, but I have never liked using the X230. You will always want more screen, and it's not as bright as you want it to be. It is a laptop that will always have you wishing for a little more. Remember most posters here are NEETs.

I just got an x230 and x220t to go along with my t420.

Is this the start of the end of my life?

>>58870557
buy a meme slide cover

>>58878633
fuck off the t420 and buy yourself a t530

>>58878272
connecting it by usb to clone old HD onto new one before installing it.

>>58875983
>how is the Pentium M performing for you? are you comfortable with the 1.5GB of RAM?
1.5GB RAM is plenty under Linux, and the CPU speed is perfectly fine. The only thing it struggles with is playing Google's faggy re-compressed Youtube videos but I can rip those with youtube-dl and watch without issues in mplayer, even 1080 videos. I get 10+ hours of battery life with my power saving options too.

>>58876061
>wanting a heavier tiny light notebook PC

It's pre-botnet, secure as fuck, and the keyboard is quite good. The screen's not exceptional but neither are my eyes any more, I have no use for tiny text any more.

Saw a ThinkPad Edge at a pawn shop for about $120 a few days ago, but are there multiple models of the Edge? Can't really recall the model but I'd say it was either E420 or E430 or something like that.

Is it a good deal or should I save for that T430 I've been eyeballing on a local online shopping site that goes for around $220?

I live in Beanerland.

>>58877898
https://www.redbubble.com/people/mcasomm/works/25223583-sekrit-dokument?asc=u&p=sticker&size=small

pls buy and gib moni

>>58877960
>I'm in Aus
In that case, if it works I don't think it's possible to go wrong with it.

>>58878787
E models sort of run like a shittier parallel of the T series from about the T420 on (or maybe earlier). Mostly 14 and 15 inch models but I think there are some smaller ones. You're getting similar components but the build quality is shit with no subframe etc, and pretty much any non-electronic part will be a piece of shit.. If its a *20 or *30 then at that price you could probably find an equivalent T series for similar which will last much longer and be worth it in the long run.

have previously owned t410 and t420s which i enjoyed

in the market for a new laptop and considering x220/x230 and wondering how bearable the small screen is as a main computer

>>58878986
>shittier parallel of the T series
just when I thought it couldn't get worse than my t430...

>>58879013
THIS QUESTION IS ASKED 9X A DAY

It is small. It is very small in practice. Is it too small for you? I don't know.

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>>58879043
It is pretty fuccin small desu

>>58879089
>>58879013
meant to reply to the x220/x230 question of screen size

Will a high-end 2-in-1 Thinkpad with Linux have any advantages over any other high-end 2-in-1s with Linux? Other than hardware perks like keyboards, etc. Would it run better/faster, because >thinkpad ?

>>58879089
wow in this picture it looks especially little.

if not x series i'll probably get an x1 carbon or t440s. not sure if i want all the thicc of regular t series again

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>>58879185
The keyboard is full sized (minus some mm from the edge keys). I like this form factor, basically it's the smallest computer with a comfy keyboard.

I have a Fujitsu Lifebook and it's just a bit too small for western fingers. Unlike Japanese women...

>>58879158
Thinkpad's just a name that chinks slap on chinktops these days anon.

>>58875983
>Pentium M
All Intel makes is the Pentium M these days anyway. With 64-bit AMD strapons of course.

>>58879265
You should swap the 30 series keyboard with the 20 series, its comfy as fuck and easy to do. The only keys that dont work are fn3, fn12, and fnSpace, which is a fair trade off for me.

>>58879274
So if I want a 2-in-1 with an i7, a thunderbolt port, and an expresscard slot, I'd be just as well off (or better off) getting a Dell or something? A Thinkpad wouldn't even get me any Malasian basket-weaving street cred?

>>58878008
>buying samshit
you deserve it, Intel or crucial or bust

>>58877335
It's amazing. I miss mine every day. If you have a fresh 9-cell, keep it below 50% brightness, and use TLP in linux, you can get up to 10-12 hours 100-0%.

yo /tpg/

lenovo just updated the drivers section on their website

there aint shit now

When my thinkpad (t420 without nvs) arrives and I throw a clean windows install on there, should I manually install latest gfx drivers from Intel's site or let windows update do it?

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i3 or i5?

>>58879805
Thanks for the ebin wallpaper fám.

I'd get an i3 thinkpad if you're buying used classic, and just upgrade to the best i7 you can get your hands on last. Assuming the thinkpad you're after isn't a soldered one (x220 etc)

>>58879853
thanks anon

>>58878008
Did you just connect it to the X220?
Have you ran Parted Magic on it? If it doesn't recognize it on that, yeah probably dead.
See if you can partition it.

>Buying an SSD for under $20
>buying a samsung SSD
>expecting it to work under $80
shig whiggity

>tfw samsung evo 250GB was inside an E6330 from work and just works
Its going on the M6700

Would upgrading a T520 from 35W chip (i5-2520M) to 45W chip (i7-2630QM) increase heat noticeably during general use?

Also, is it worth replacing the standard RAM that comes in thinkpads with Adobe DDR3L?

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The thinkpad HDD protection, is it firmware feature? or software?

>>58879972
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Hard_Drive_Active_Protection_System
Software.

Is there a way to get ivy bridge chips working in an xx20 thinkpad yet? It has been done on other laptops afaik—the QM67 chipset is capable of running an ivy bridge chip, with some BIOS modding.

>>58879972
is she drugged?

>>58879998
How do I know if it's installed on my system?
Running manjaro.

>>58880031
Why the fuck would you or anyone else care? Is /g/ full of autists or some shit? Holy fuck

>>58879972
dat guitar

>>58880029
Yeah, Coreboot's got it working.

>>58879972
SAUCE

>>58880133
Coreboot still needs a hardware flasher and some soldering on xx20 though, yeah? Bit involved.

Are there any older thinkpads that can have coreboot installed just via software? Maybe one day that can be possible for xx20 too.

>>58880080
>Is /g/ full of autists or some shit?
Does a bear shit in the woods

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>>58880133
>>58880161
Using software made by degenerate trans not even FSF wanted

>>58880192
Whatever it takes to get an ivy chip working in my t520 fám.

>>58880192
That's libreboot which is a fork of coreboot you're thinking of. Get your shit together, /pol/.

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>>58879940
>worth
On a system that 'old', no, I don't think so.
Though get it if you already have a excellent SSD and want more out of your system.

I found the W520 & W530 running fairly cool when I had them, didn't really notice much of a difference from my other machines, maybe the fan kicks in more, if anything.

>>58878787
T430 would be well worth the cost
Especially if you end up with an AMD E-Series.

Metal hinges on a plastic frame, it's just a like a Toshiba Satellite with a ThinkPad design and keyboard.

>>58880080
>autist
jesus im tired of this fucking word being thrown around just because. if you're gonna have a comeback atleast give it some structure instead of talking out of your ass

>>58880347
agreed

X100e worth it for 100$? I just need it for a Visual Studio station while I transition to GNU/Linux + Haskell on my W541

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>>58879391
I run an X40 anon. It has a comfy old-school board.

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Anyone running windows 8.1/10 on their T420?
What's the performance like?
And if I have only 4 GB of RAM should I go the 64-bit version?

>>58880433
>X100e worth it for 100$
god no

>>58880433
It's fine anon. Also a classy looking machine.

>>58880473
Have W7 and Xubuntu only, sorry mate.

>>58880433
very cheap. how you find at this price?

Guys, someone is selling a bunch of retired X220 tablets for cheap. They come without HDD, charger and stylus. While former two are not a problem, I'm concerned about the stylus. All I can find for sale are new Chinese fakes (but for reasonable price), and sometimes new unopened brand ones which are too expensive. No used original ones at all. So my question is, are Chinese pens any good? Shall I face reduced accuracy or any other problems if I buy one?

>>58880076
I doubt Manjaro does it by default. Well, if the hdapsd package isn't installed, it isn't installed.

>>58880263
>Metal hinges on a plastic frame
The hinges connect to small metal section that's basically the standard subframe but only enough to support the hinges. That said I've broken that frame before, but it's like it's any thinner than is standard.

>>58880631
Link me and I might have some info for you, cтaлкep

>>58880904
>hdapsd
So I just install that.
And it will protect it automatically?

>>58880928
You guessed right, дpyг. Link you what, the lot of ThinkPads? Here: https://www.avito.ru/moskva/noutbuki/lenovo_thinkpad_x220_tablet_i5_i7_913035839
I think I saw a similar lot from another seller as well.

Libreboot for T420 when?

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who here is blue thinkpoint master race?

>>58881102
when you stop complaining about your non-communist software and get a job

>>58881136
I'll have you know I am a proud unemployed capitalist.

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>>58880564
I basically scrape all local "craigslist"-like sites and have my script text me when a model that matches my list pops up.

>>58881413
Clever, it's a shame that that wouldn't work on my local equivalent since almost nobody is able to provide more information in their listings than that it's lenovo.

>>58877339
Thanks for the input!
>probably need to be fixed sometime
Yeah I guess so, just wondering how bad can it get, since the lid construction doesn't get me too eager to disassemble it, because no screws, just the clickity-crackity thing.
I've seen a T400 with it's hinges come badly loose from the lid or smth like that. Probably the same kind of thing has happened here, just at lesser extent. Outside the wobble amplitude, they're kinda similarly stiff as my X60's and X200's, maybe even stiffer.

>>58869429
I do miss the context menu key and navigation keys, keyboard feels ok, trackpoint is somewhat different but alright, aesthetics is fine too (not so much the case of E6420/E6430; as for elitebooks however, I like the looks of sandy and ivy ones, and I don't the older ones).
All in all, I'm quite happy with, also because it was a good deal cheaper than any equivalent T410.
Ah and I quite enjoy the multitouch trackpad, not sure whether there's such on T410's.

>>58878784
>magnesium
>heavy

>>58881134
I would gladly switch to blue if they had blue trackpoint buttons

>>58881134
How?

>>58879918
Will try Parted Magic. Just seems like if it's not showing up anywhere, it's dead.

Under $80? Pretty comparable price and specs to Intel & Crucial drives at a pretty similar price point, have been running one on my MBP for years and it's AOK.

>>58880360
>autist
>chink

just tired white hickspeak, cuz ppl gotta feel big on the internet forums

>>58867986
T420fag here

How do I into the trackpoint? Every time I try and use it, the pointer just kind of haphazardly shoots around.

Also, I'm happy with my T420, but does anyone else notice the laptop heating up like crazy when you try to multitask? Should I replace the heatsink? I've had it for a little over a year now, and it's fine other than getting crazy hot sometimes.

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>>58882574
On Windows? I set it to highest sensitivity, windows sense to 6/11, no acceleration. Works best for me. On GNU/Linux you have to fiddle around more, thinkwiki has detailled instructions.

My T420 is my main machine since I quit vidya for good and I just don't need anything stronger for browsing, yt and coding. However, some shit to keep in mind based off my own experience:

1. While Win10 works for the most part OOTB on the T420, apart from things like the OSD and all the Fn-Buttons and Lenovo-specific software like the power manager, it's still shit. I had severe performance problems with 1080p60 youtube playback in Chrome (lots of dropped frames). I set up the machine with Win7 again and installed only the official Lenovo drivers one by one (no thinkvantage system update) and also no drivers from Microsoft update (they will fuck up your shit). Machine runs without performance problems now with all the functions and features intended.

2. Get some Arctic Silver 5 and reapply the thermal paste. It never went over 81 degrees celsius with prime95 and fan speed 7/7. Before it would go easily >90 with Arctic MX-4 applied.

3. Get TPfancontrol. Smart mode 1 with default values will give you whisper quietness

4. Either downgrade your BIOS to 1.37 or get a modded 1.46 so you can use >1333MHz RAM + whitelist, updated vbios and other goodies.

>>58882855
I was expecting to see benis spurdo at the end

So how do the Latitude keyboards compare to the chiclets of the xx30s?

>tfw getting addicted to buying business laptops

x220
i5-2520m
8gb ram
120gb ssd
some damage at the plastic from the display
>185€ incl shipping
buy or nah?

>>58883253
what display? IPS or LCD?

>>58883399
It doesn't say it on the ebay page. I think LCD then?

>>58882445
You can just buy them on ebay, a few other laptops have a trackpoint equivalent except different colours and there's never a difference in the size of the slot.

best laptop to buy to play WoTLK?
I have an x220 I use for school but I want to play WoW so bad

>>58883681
WoW uses still only single core cpus so you want as much ghz as you can get. Will be hard with a laptop.

>>58880433
Please don't tell me you went for it.

>>58882496
Samsungs seem to be over priced, and then Intel. At least from what I seen.

>>58883229
Which latitudes?
I don't mind the E6430, though no mSATA support against the T430.
I like the E7440 more than a T440p/s, although shit battery life.

>>58883681
Get a T430 with dedicated GPU

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Dis gud?

>New X1C now on sale in japan

Why Lenovo

>>58884000
Price is good but I wouldn't recomment any s variant.

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>>58883253
Could I get atleast one opinion on this deal?

>>58884125
Considering you posted the price in € I suppose you're in Europe. Used ThinkPads are generally way more expensive here than in the US so that price is pretty good. I got mine with the same specs for 230€. But it seems almost too good. The condition must be pretty shitty,

>>58880263
>AMD E-Series
No thanks. I already own a toaster with a E-300 and it's horrible, I can barely stand it.
Though it has managed to run heavyweight software like SolidWorks but that doesn't change my mind that the E-Series suck. Besides, they're low-end, low voltage SoCs.

>>58884160
>you're in Europe
yes

>The condition must be pretty shitty
the keyboard is used, but okay
the plastic on the outside is scratched
battery has less than 2h
the corners of the lid are broken

>>58867986
is there anything like coreboot or libreboot for t420 or any cool stuff I can do to it?
I feel like mucking about with it as all I do is go on 4chan and youtube on my thiccpad

>>58884188
>corners of the lid are broken
that's probably the reason why it is so cheap. if you got photos and you're OK with the damage, go for it.


just to compare:

mine has the same specs (except it had a 320GB HDD that I swapped for an SSD) with only a tiny scratch on the lid, brand new keyboard and ~5h battery for 230€

Sup nigs

I can't find x220s in my country with an IPS screen. Is it too hard to install one of those replacements which I can only find on eBay? Do they work with very specific models of x220 so I have to be careful or what?

I just want one of those things with a 250gb SSD.

>>58884362
There is no X220s

>>58884381
I meant x220.

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>buy chink usb3.0 cardbus card
>get faster read speeds on my external usb3.0 2,5" hdd
>but read speed is slower than usb2.0
what the fuck

>>58867986
I really want an classic IBM branded thinkpad that has libreboot on it. I'm thinking t60 but i'm not sure which version is the best, all I know is one iteration has an incredible screen but is absurdly rare in which case, what's the second best t60 I can get?

Also does anyone have a full guide of everything needed to run libreboot on said thinkpad (or another thinkpad) and a rough estimate of the price?

>>58879391
>fn+space doesn't work
So no thinklight then? What the fuck.

I tend to imagine that nobody that recommends keyboard swaps actually does them.

I saved a T520 from disposal today at work. They gave it to me for free. Did I do well?

>>58884828
yes

>>58883253
Not the greatest deal, would be a great deal if that was an x230 or an i7 model with that price imo.

>>58882855
Have you tried windows 8.1 on T420?
Also was windows 10 you used a 64bit?

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Good screen protector for my x230t?

Are IPS screens worth it or just a meme? Better colors seem nice but so far my TN panel just works. I don't see how better viewing angle is any benefit at all because I'm always directly in front of my laptop. If anything I wouldn't want people nearby seeing what I do on screen.

>>58885159
>http://pastebin.com/DYjEnVq1
I NEVER experienced win8 or 8.1 as a user. Never seemed worth it. But what I understand from a compatibility point of view it's somewhere between Win7 and Win10, as in e.g. power manager works on 8.1 but some other Lenovo software not. IMHO these old sandy bridge machines are win7 machines through and through IF you desire all the features they have to offer. If not you basically can run whatever OS you would like to, even OSX (runs formidably on a T420 as I heard, if you switch out the WiFi-card for a compatible one).

>>58882445
Official IBM cap from some old point of sale keyboards. Work was upgrading and throwing them out so I saved some

>>58885487

An IPS screen on eBay for the X220 is ~$50-70 - it's worth it to me. The IPS screen can get richer and more vibrant colors as well as be brighter, so it's more pleasant to watch videos and read things on.

Seeing as how I spend hundreds of hours in front of it per year, I think it's worth it.

>>58885487
>>58885790

I agree, I like my X220 way better after the upgrade.. The improvement in viewing angles is the major thing

>>58873592
>Not simply disabling it

>>58878008
I had a similar "Issue"
You have to partition it first.

>>58883399
>IPS or LCD

IPS is LCD.

>>58886626
Isn't there also the TFT display? How compares this to the LCD?

>>58881706
I said heaviER, which means "more heavy" and pick up an X60 and compare.

Is English your second language?

>>58886668
TFT is also LCD. They refer to entirely different things. Liquid crystal refers to the gate which blocks or allows light from the backlight layer. TFT (thin film transistor) is what controls the electrical charge of the display. IPS and TN refer to different orientations of the crystals and polarizers, which change the viewing angle and color reproduction characteristics of the panel.

It's possible to have a TFT IPS LCD display. It's also possible to have a TFT IPS LED LCD panel, on case you thought "LED" was different to LCD.

>>58879089
my 230t is literally broken in the same places

>>58879719
W-what???

>>58879719
HAHAHA windows babies BTFO.

>>58867986
How do I get the mic mute button to function properly + get the light on linux like my speaker mute button?

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>>58884000
>>58884091
How did I do?

>ebay sellers trying to sell their x201 models with 4gb at the same price as x220 with 8gb

actually, why?

i was looking for an x model under $100 for an expendable thinkpad to take when traveling but I seriously can't find one, I may as well drop the $150 on a x220

>>58887657
I think the x201 is easier to Libreboot or some shit.

>>58887671
that is still some serious bullshit though

even more so considering what just happened with "leah"

>>58884421
no you retard function space on the 20 series keyboard is the zoom function. Function page up is the thinklight

Just grabbed an X220 i7 2.7Ghz with 8GB RAM and 120GB SSD for £200 ($250). Slight dent on top bezel.

New to the used Thinkpad buying game, did I do ok? Should I have held out for a better deal?

>>58888255
Decent enough, maybe $20 over

Is there a 15 inch thinkpad without Nvidia graphics?

>>58888619
T60 has ATI graphics anon. It's a very fine machine.

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>>58888983
thanks anon

>>58889099
Do it faggot

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>>58889099
>$3,696.06
>$99.99 shipping

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>>58877178
Don't need to

Already have

My thinkpad a qt

What is the most powerful processor I can use in my T420 without throttling? I have got 90w power supply so power delivery want be a problem

>>58889099
Oh baby worth every penny.

Mine has the nice screen and has almost no hours. I already got my RAM upgrade, just need a nice cheap SSD. I run my own cloud (LOL) so I just need like a 32-64GB one. Anybody know of a nice cheap deal?

>>58869771
my T430 with iGPU also throttles when I plug a 65W adapter without a battery.
>>58884405
>cardbus
found the problem

>>58881052
move or tilt the computer, if you hear the HDD parking tge heads, it's working.

Need a laptop for travel soon, I figured it'd be a good time to dive into the meme.

Need something that won't take up much space and is preferably under $150. Looks like the X220 fits the bill. Is there anything else I should be looking at before I pull the trigger, or is that my guy?

Is the x100e worth $60? Just looking to have something to learn Linux through since scaling sucks ass on my 2015 Retina MacBook Pro.

>>58890325
X201 would be a little smaller and cheaper, but if you can find a decent-condition X220 for less than $150 then go for it.

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>wifi kept getting randomly hard locked
>open up x220
>secure ribbon
>trackpad stops working
>reattach ribbon
>still doesn't work

>>58890845
Why would you even use the trackpad?

>>58890964
It's comfy

>>58890967
Normie scum

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>>58890974
Two finger scrolling is the greatest invention in the last 30 years

>>58886990
boom

>>58887634
good shit anon. what did you pay for shipping

Whats the average price ausfags pay for an x220?

>>58891763
$200–250

>>58879610
>i7
a celery computer by any other name...

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The wireless adapter on my t430s will randomly disconnect and stop being able to detect networks from time to time. The only way to fix it is by running the network troubleshooter and letting it re-enable the adapter (the adapter doesn't show as being disabled, and disabling/re-enabling in the network connections menu doesn't fix it). Does this happen to literally anyone else

This has probably been asked a tonne, but i couldn't find anything directly related to it on any of the infographics/wikis
>What would be the ideal Thinkpad for uni? preferably <$250 USD
I've been looking at getting a x220/30 if one of those would be the best, or if there is another model which would be more ideal

>>58893070
Probably a T430, just because you may find the X220/30's a bit small.

Can anyone tell me if my x230 can drive a 4k monitor? Thinking of eventually replacing my 23" 1080p monitor with something like 32" 4K.

>>58867986
http://news.lenovo.com/photo_display.cfm?photo_id=15284

>Less Really is More
Available with Microsoft
Windows 10 Pro Signature
Edition, you can say
goodbye to unwanted trial
ware, apps, or distractions.
Hello to a faster laptop,
from start up to shut down

interdasting

>>58893070
x230 + external monitor? My x230 is really comfy.

>>58893123
>Thinkpads are now available in Silver
Really makes you think

ThinkPad yoga line is gud or is it another shit?

Surface Book probably is better with all the love I see for Surface line on /g/

Just got a T430s, but my internet is noticeably slower. I did a speed test on my old laptop (got 7 down and 5 up), and the T430s got 1 down and 1 up. Anyone know why that would be?

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Is there something like this but for Lenovo?
Basically a stand that I can leave a dock on and then pop my thinkpad into, with a mount for a monitor on the side

>>58893402
you could get something like this
>ebay.com.au/itm//132088069647?
Obviously look around for something cheaper, that was just the first one i could find

>>58893081
Is it worth the price jump for getting the t430 over the t420? ive read that the 768p display is too low for that size, and considering there are t420's with 900p screens for $300 BIN it seems like a better idea to go for that, even considering the older hardware

>>58893561
Forgot to mention that the $300 is AUD

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>>58893510
Thank you my Australian Thinkpad aficionado!

>>58884411
>absolutely rare
They come up all the time on the used market anon, just be patient.

Stinkpads are a long game type of thing. Just let them come to you...

>>58893561
Yeah, I mean that's totally up to you.
The hardware itself isn't too ancient, but personally I'd go with the 430 just because it's a slight bit thinner, even though its a bit heavier. More portable + slightly better hardware is worth the extra couple of bucks, in my opinion.

>>58893561
The T430 gets USB3, a reasonable iGPU improvement and a mild CPU improvement. If none of those are a huge difference to you then the HD+ screen can easily be worth it.

In my opinion some of the prices are fucked anyway though. I'd probably just be going with a T430 and upgrading the screen.

>>58893107
I don't think so anon.

>>58893203
>yoga line
another shit

>>58893712
Hmmm...

Okay thanks anon.

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Just got fprintd all set up on my T60. Feeling MIGHTY comfy.

*swipes ginger*

>>58893727
Yoga 370 looks fine mane

i just want something with a pen

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>>58893751
I meant finger. My wife's a ginger so I will make sure to swipe her later for you all.

>>58893914
Just no anon.

>>58893974
AHHHHHH FUCK ELASTIC BENDING OH NO FUCKKK

that's also the consumer yoga retard not the thinkpad

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N E W B R E A D S O O N

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>>58867986
What's a good price on an X220T battery? I got a Chinese one in mine when I bought it off eBay and the battery life is terrible. I'm seeing authentic Lenovo ones for $70ish. Does that sound about right?

>>58894234
>I got a Chinese one in mine when I bought it off eBay and the battery life is terrible.
I've bought several Chinese batteries off amazon and they've all given their rated life or a bit more so far. They were all $25-30.

Try cycling your battery a few times to wake it up, it might be (((sleeping))) and read batteryuniversity.com anon.

>>58894258
What do you mean by "cycling" the battery? Can't seem to find anything on the batteryuniversity website about this.

>>58894315
Cycling a battery is fully discharging and charging it, preferably without use between charges.

nubredwen

>>58894374
Oh, I've done that a ton of times. I've been using the thing for two months now and haven't noticed any improvements.

>>58894468
Next step is to seal it into a plastic bag with all the air evacuated, freeze it, and then gently tap with a rubber mallet or your knuckles.

>>58894787
>>58894787

new thread
>>58894787

>>58878784
>I get 10+ hours of battery life with my power saving options too.
This is how I know you're full of shit. Post configs or GTFO

>>58894797
>tickless
>aggressive switching to d3 hot state for SD card bay and bluetooth
>totally shut off modem and e1000 and IR
If I switch off wifi I can get 14 hours, with it on that drops to 10 or so. It still won't accept any kind of aggressive power-saving options. Fucking ath5k.

>>58894915
Oh and Enhanced Speedstep Technology™. Plus no botnet management engine. SSD helps a lot too.

>>58894797
Where ya at kid?

>>58889099
That's probably what it cost new.