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There's literally nothing wrong with proprietary software

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Reminder that unironically believing proprietary software is unethical is being a literal commie.

Communists are the ones who believe property is theft. Proprietary software is perfectly okay and doesn't rob you of any freedoms.
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>>58802958
There's nothing wrong with voluntarily giving up your freedom, but denying that you are giving up freedom is absurd.
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>>58803064
I've been using proprietary software since I was born and still do. I feel free as ever.
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>>58802958
But the proprietary software devs beileve that their software is their property.
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>>58803064

Yes, but it's not proprietary software "taking your freedom away", it's you giving it up. No one is forcing you to use proprietary software.
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>>58803080
Feeling free ≠ being free.
>>58803093
Exactly, that's why I said "voluntarily"
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>>58803093
It's more complicated than that. You oppose authoritarian regime not because of the people who choose that system but because of those who don't. Using proprietary software is like voting for authoritarian regimes. Except we have many many small elections on different issues (browser, bittorrent client, operating system...).
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>>58802958
Get the fuck back to /pol/, subhuman basement dweller
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>>58802958
If you don't like proprietary software, get a job
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>>58802958
Property can be private, state or collective.
BSD is private property through theft, proprietary licenses are state property through control over it's users, and GPL is collective property through sharing.
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>>58802958
You can only use proprietary software on platforms they decide to support. Meanwhile I can take free software and compile it on a platform for wich no precompiled binaries.
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>>58802958
We already have a thread complaining about this. Dumb phone poster.
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>>58803169
*binaries exist
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>>58803165
>BSD license
>theft
I don't understand how someone this retarded is capable of using a computer.
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>>58803169
Maybe, but not without porting it first - which is usually not easy.
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>>58803229
Porting isn't inherently necessary. Most things I've needed have required nothing more than
make && sudo make install
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>>58802958
Proprietary software is fine.

If you want to use proprietary software because you like it that's fine to.

Software companies lobbying against the free software licence because their crappy software has too much competition from a free software alternative is not fine.
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>>58802958
>property is theft
Let's define this.
If you buy something, should you own it?
Should you have the option to own something?

Say you buy a car.
Should you not own that car?
If something breaks on your car, should it be legal for you to repair that car? (As long as it doesn't make the car unsafe and assuming you have the abilities)
What about the software on the car?
You own the car, if you know how, shouldn't you be allowed to modify, study, repair and share your modifications?
It is your car.

I personally believe so.

Software is a weird thing, because you can share infinite copies almost instantly and at no cost.
When it is free, people can use it, study it, modify it, give those modifications back as they please.
Features we as a collective doesn't like is removed and if you personally want something else, you can learn to make modifications yourself.
But you get to own your computer, your car and your phone etc.
You cannot say the same about proprietary software.
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>>58802958
Proprietary software is fine, but free software is much better. As well as capitalism is fine, but communism is much better.
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>>58803349
Yeah -- Worked out great for the Soviets.
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>hurr banning slavery is communism
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>>58803366
That was totalitarianism, but both propaganda machines called it communism for they own benefits. Of course it didn't work.
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>>58802958
So?
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>>58803344
>As long as it doesn't make the car unsafe and assuming you have the abilities
What entity ensures that? Government? It is easier for them to regulate authorized repair centers instead of Garage Joes.
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>>58803412
Are we really doing the
>not real communism
meme?
Besides, communism has nothing to do with free software
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>>58803116
Freedom is In the eye of an individual. Unless you live off the land with no technology, nobody would be considered free.

You work for money, you're a slave to the system. Even if you run your own profitable business.
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>>58803366
Actualy it did.
Revisionism is what killed the USSR.
>>58803412
ICEPICK FOR YOU
>>58803368
wage slavery is still slavery
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Reminder that unironically believing free software is unethical is being a literal fascist.
Fascists are the ones who believe everything in people lives should be controlled by a single leader. Free software is perfectly okay and doesn't impose anything on the people.
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>>58803437
>Freedom is in the eye of an individual
OK, I see where you are coming from
>Unless you live off the land with no technology, nobody would be considered free.
Didn't you just say it's in the eye of the individual?
>You work for money, you're a slave to the system. Even if you run your own profitable business.
Only if you're a socialist/communist and that is the freedom that is "in your eye"
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>>58803424
You ensure this by having laws.
If people don't follow the laws, punish them.
If you change the color of the lights on your car, you will get fined.
If you mess with the brake system so it doesn't work, you may get jail time.

Modifying the cars software can mean anything. But the current state is that you cannot do anything or you will be thrown in jail for attempting to steal your car.
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>>58803480
Note the word considered. Coming from outside sources (not you) that are gauging freedom.

You're as free as you think you are. The only thing caging you is your own brain.
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>>58803571
What makes the outside sources' view of freedom more important or more valid than yours or mine?
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>>58803600
It isn't more valid, was just mentioning that someone (to the masses) could be considered not free.
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>>58803080
You're just a fucking faggot
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>>58802958
Well you're a fucking shit
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Where the fuck does the recent anti Stallman shitposting come from? Fucking go back.
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>>58803820

>t. freetard
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>>58803820
Mostly reddit, /v and /pol
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>>58803861
>t. unpaid microsh*ll
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>>58802958
It cuts off a large portion of users.

I would never buy an Apple product, so I miss out on all books on iTunes.
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>>58803064
I still have the freedom to stop using proprietary software.
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>>58803366
It did. Turned a backward ass shitty country which got rekt by a bunch of nips to second most powerful country in the world.
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>>58803908
...and you deserve access to those books because?
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>>58805108
0/10
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>tfw, true freedom is being a pirate
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>>58802958
>Proprietary software is perfectly okay and doesn't rob you of any freedoms.
True, it only steals your personal information and installs malware on your computer.
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>>58803571
>You're as free as you think you are

"The best slave is the one who think he's free."
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>>58805112
geez, I'm vehemently pro-GPL, but really - why?
as long as it's a private company and not a government entity, they can make any convoluted rules they fucking want regarding access to their services.
>cue in a joke about apple products requiring an anal-dildo-authenticator
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>>58803454
>unironic tankie
kys
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>>58805600
>they can make any convoluted rules they fucking want regarding access to their services
Well sure they can but that doesn't make it right. There is absolutely no reason anyone should be restricted from any book.
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>>58802958
Free software is the programming equivalent of peer-review in science.

I cannot imagine how much slower progress would be if everyone depended on their own shitty in-house, closed-source solutions.

It is not even about it being communist or not, but about having a basic level of shared knowledge available, in order for all to work on more interesting problems.
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>>58802958
Sealing intellectual property is futile and only offers as a means to expand avenues to tunnel money.
Of course, money is always nice.
Books and literature, of course, commonly sold intellectual property.

Code, however, whence proprietary, cannot be vetted. It interacts (or rather, CAN) with your own intellectual property, most of which does not have its' own copyrights and protections against unvetted, proprietary code doing whatever it wishes with your property [data].

When you can vet code, and compile it yourself, you have an understanding of what extents that binary data operates within the systwm, how it interacts with your property.

Proprietary code is not necessarily always unethical. However, I'd feel more safe if there was a sanctioned testing committee dedicated to giving a certification to all developers wishing to receive certification that their code is non-property-tarnishing/malicious-intent. Varying levels of certification could be used.

To return from that tangent,
being unable to vet code and what it does to yout property is being at an unequal exchange with whoever writes and publishes said binary files from the code.
It's just an unfair exchange, especially in the cases of paying for programs which one can never quite understand the extent of data tinkering.

Unvetted code is unethical, not proprietary code as a whole. Open source code, on the other hand, is completely free for investigation, and respects the user's data to the degree of the user's investigation of said code.


As I mentioned, I think a committee would be a wise way to solve this problem. But as all humans are corruptible...
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>>58802958
what is ur problem with communism ? tell me
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>>58802958
Property is a dumb idea on a planet with finite land mass.
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>>58802958
Commercial software takes away jobs from on-demand projects and tailored software, it already took a lot of jobs in the 80's.
Net income from big commercial proprietary software never goes to programmers.
You can get more money by fundraising personal projects at kickstart.
You can re-use open source software for your job and get money from it.
You can live as a freelancer or start your business using and re-conditioning open source software.
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>>58802958

>Implying GNU plus Capitalism isn't driving the tech world right now
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>>58803132
saved
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>>58802958
>combined gnu and open source logo
that's so wrong
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>>58806111
>In some ways, Linux was the project that really made the split clear between what the FSF is pushing which is very different from what open source and Linux has always been about, which is more of a technical superiority instead of a -- this religious belief in freedom."
>-- Linus Torvalds
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>>58806354
>all these pajeets flocking around him
im calling bullshit, pajeets dont care about open source
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>>58806354
>"Over the years, I've become convinced that the BSD license is great for code you don't care about".
>Linus Torvalds.
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>>58806354
>“Software is like sex: it's better when it's free.”
>-Linus Torvalds
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>>58806395
That's not what Free Software is about, Linus. Think of free as in free speech, not as in beer.
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>>58802958
>All free software is GPL
Why are pajeets shilling for microsoft so stupid?
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>>58802958
Freetards restrict themselves from simply using whatever works best. Normal people don't have this problem, yet somehow we're the ones who are cucked.
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>>58806434
>everyone who doesn't agree with the fat commie's philosophy is shilling for microsoft

Why are freetards so stupid?
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>>58806079
Like free software, it never works.
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>>58806662
>Pajeet still thinking that GPL is the only free software license
$1.00 has been deposited into your account, poo boy.
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>>58803165
uruguayan scum
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>>58806703
Please show me where I even remotely said anything like that, dumbass.
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>>58806712
When you brought up stallman and insisted I was only talking about GPL, learn to read so you can shill better and learn how to use the loo.
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>>58806731
>and insisted I was only talking about GPL

Quote me on when I did that. I'll wait.
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>>58803344
>You own the car, if you know how, shouldn't you be allowed to modify, study, repair and share your modifications?

No.

I don't trust you driving a modified car where the safety of people is at stake.

Say no to modding cars, don't be a nigger.
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>>58806748
You know exactly what you said pajeet, don't be dumb.
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>>58806760
Yes, and I know that never happened. Fucking dumbass, don't start something you can't finish.
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>>58806774
You mean like that loo training you never finished, pajeet.
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>>58806781
>I'll call him a pajeet again, that'll tell him

xD
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>>58806789
There is no need to be upset pajeet.
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>>58806789
>xD

t. 2000's kid
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>>58806811
Projecting much? How cute.
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>>58806819
This isn't projecting, pajeet.
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>>58806760
>>58806774
>>58806781
>>58806789
>>58806811
>>58806819
>>58806830

Literal underaged autism
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>>58802958

>Proprietary software is perfectly okay and doesn't rob you of any freedoms.

Are you a retard?
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>communism
You say that like it's a bad thing
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>>58803080

The problem is most people "feel" and mistake it for "thinking". You never actually learned to think.
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>>58803092
Do they write their code? If yes, then it's their.

Is it that hard, fucking commie kiddo?
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>>58806962
Is it still their property if they forked a project, made a few changes, and turned it proprietary?
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>>58806907
I have the freedom to use whatever software I please. What do you have to say for yourself, freetard?
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>>58806978
Partially, I mean, they did contribute their own code to it.
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>>58802958
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>>58802958
Kek
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>>58802958
Lel
You jew faggot
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With communism, you get punished for not sharing though, so not sure if this relates. GTFO
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>>58807095
only intelligent post

also you can sell free software, so it's not even anti-capitalism
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>>58807464
>>58807404
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>>58807482

Not a problem with something like the android store, where normies will gladly pay a dollar to not compile your stupid worthless gui app.
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>>58802958
Free software means software that respects the user's freedom.

There are four essential freedoms that the user of software should always have:

Freedom 0 is the freedom to run the program however you wish.
Freedom 1 is the freedom to study the source code of the program and change it to make the program do as you wish.
Freedom 2 is the freedom to distribute copies of the program to others when you wish. This includes republication of the program.
Freedom 3 is the freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others when you wish. This includes republication.

If you have all four of these essential freedoms, then the program is free software, which means that the social system of the distribution of the program is an ethical system that respects the freedom and community of the users.

If one of these freedoms is missing, then the program is proprietary software, meaning that it keeps the users divided and helpless, and gives the developer power over the users. This is an injustice. Proprietary software should not exist and should not be used.

If you want to have freedom, the only way you can have it while using computers is by rejecting proprietary software.
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>believing proprietary software is unethical is being a literal commie
Who the fuck cares if it's ethical or not, really. Most of /g/ uses free open-source software out of various security and privacy concerns. Sadly in this day and age users must assume that all proprietary software contains some form of malicious code.
Technically 'open-source' would be enough to decide whether you trust a software enough to use it or not, in most cases. Nothing really stops you from making changes in the code for personal use at that point.
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>>58807625
>proprietary software is unethical
>because it robs you of your freedom

Hmmm... that sounds familiar...

>property is theft

>>58807807
I do. Communism is unethical to me because it killed gorillions. So I won't support something that supports communist ideology, either directly or indirectly, and FOSS is by definition communism. Believing that property is theft can be nothing but communism.
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>>58805574

http://www.yegor256.com/2015/07/21/hourly-pay-modern-slavery.html
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>>58802958
There is literally nothing wrong with communism
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>>58806907

No one's forcing you to use it, you braindead pinko.
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Only pedos and terrorists use free software. Trump will ban it.
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>>58805108
Because I bought them. I got $120+ in iTunes gift cards and bought books, but as I don't have any Apple device, I have to use a family member's iPad to open books, take a snapshot of each page, then make a pdf out of them.
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>>58810354
Encryption banned when?
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>>58810420
Can they really ban it? I mean any app taken off Google Play or iTunes will just be uploaded on TPB or hosted on another site for download.
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>>58806962
But when I bought it then this copy is mine, right?
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>>58810450

They can, anon. They can.
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>>58802958
Proprietary woftware isn't unethical.

On the other hand, capitalism is, and property [over the means of production] is theft.
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>>58803064
>but denying that you are giving up freedom is absurd
How? The average layman doesn't practically gain any freedoms from using free software.
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>>58803064
1pbp
>>58803116
5pbp
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>>58810486
Good, government keeping us safe. Libcucks on /g/ hate it because they can't break the law with dangerous software anymore. Nothing to hide and nothing to fear.
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>>58802958
Proprietary software has failed, because it has been used to abuse the users. The GPL forces people to keep the coe open source so that this kind of abuse won't happen. Everything is wrong with proprietary software. Just look at Windows 10. You have to be a literal cuck to take that kind of abuse just because you like some stupid video game or Adobe software.
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>>58812192
>coe
This is supposed to say "software, but for some reason I got this.
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>>58802958
>communism with finite physical resources == communism with infinitely copyable information
I'm a fucking retard, the post
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>>58806999
You clearly are to angsty to understand what "freedom" or "free to use" does and does not mean.
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>>58805574
>"The best slave is the one who think he's free."
- Abraham Lincoln
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>>58811780
112pbp
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>>58812210
did you mean to say "code" ?
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>>58802958
The bait never gets old.
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>cant even put a proper background on an image
>expects me to pay attention to his opinion
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>>58813197
>freedom is only what the smelling pedo kike autist says.
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>>58813622
Dumb phoneposter.
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>>58813581
No, Google. I didn't mean "code". You're a shit AI.
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>>58802958
There's literally nothing wrong with communism. Trying to forcefully "create" communism – that's what were mistake.
Communism is good only if people are ready to live communist way. If they're not, trying to force them, you'll obviously end up with totalitarian shithole like Cuba or DPRK.
And last but not least:
FUCK OFF BACK TO /POL/AND SUBHUMAN
politics is not technology. Thank you.
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>>58814875
>thinks knowing nothing about how images work is better than being a phone poster

>>58815172
i am not ready nor will i ever be ready to have the government tell me what i can and cannot have
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>>58815265
>Why would you post a transparent-background image, when you KNOW that I use a dark theme. How DARE you.
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>>58815674
why would you post a transparent background image when you are making an image like in the OP or something that is meant to be read? and phones with a dark theme are more battery conscious when using a superior oled screen
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>>58815674
Since when did transparency actually follow the theme?
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>>58816610
Thumbnails are jpgs, so the thumbnail creator replaces transparency with either blue or red to match the default theme of the board (depending on sfw or nsfw). Not sure how long they've done that.
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>>58806371
those are MS employees, they were forced to be there... and to smile, too
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>>58815265
>communism
>government
jej
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>there's nothing wrong with proprietary software
There's a lot wrong with proprietary software.

There's two types, the "paid and get what you pay for" sort and the "free but we'll sneak in toolbars and malware to pay the bills"

The latter is hell on earth, and avoiding it is irrationally hard especially on mobile.

I quit using Windows entirely just because a fucking partition manager doesn't need to ask me if I want to install a bing bar or some bullshit game malware just so it can exist.

Linux and F-droid assure me that anything I download will just do whatever the fuck it says it will do and NOTHING else.

I wouldn't even mind paying for some proprietary software if that was the fucking end of the line, right then and there. Some of it is fucking great, but this "Free BUUUUT" bullshit has to go.

Gotta fucking GO!
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Except information doesn't scale or have an additive value as If it was a commodity. Its like saying you own the English language sure you could try to say it's a specific combination of software brand or whatever and Block it off from people but you just end up delaying progress or having any sort of common base from which new technologies can emerge. Thats the real danger of it, just sort of a dick move, that and because it's obfuscated malicious actors have an advantage over those who don't know or are not allowed to know how something works. But you can't bottle information, because the nature of information makes it intrinsically dynamic.
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>>58817109
>being retarded enough to download 3rd party partition managers from some shady site
i don't think your problem is with proprietary software, anon.
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>yet another license war thread on /g/
>still nobody can argue against going full public-domain
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Software is not scarce so you can't really apply economic theories to it. Now take /pol/ back to /pol/ and let us use our autism for actual useful things.
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>>58802958
Counterpoint: Both communism and free software are good things
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>>58817225
FUCK OFF COMMIE
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>>58817109
Gratis but not libre is generally sketchy, and should be avoided.

There are some exceptions, like I think paint.net is not open source. But the vast majority are bloated with ads and crapware to the point of being unusable.
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>>58806111
nice trips
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>>58803132
So because someone is a capitalist they're a poltard? Fuck off commie
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>>58817109
This. I just use free software because it isn't such a fucking Jew.
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>>58802958
Linux user here.
Freedom of choice to use or not use any software is true freedom.
GNUfags are dictators by saying software a is good and software b is bad.
Windows IS a shitty OS, so i chose not to use it as main OS, whilst i chose to use proprietary GPUdrivers and install steam.
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In 2050, when AI is so advanced it can manage politics and the market, Communism will be objectively the best political system. Free software is the only way we can guarantee such AI is benign and just.
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>>58818640
>AI in charge
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>>58807482
>Be normie
>Want to install Selfie Magician Pro 2017 on my large-screen Facebook apparatus
>Go to developer page
>Asking me for $5 to access easy double-click installers for my version of Microsoft Word
>Breaking character; the precompiled binaries could have ads built into it and still be fully GPL compliant as long as the ad code is also in the source, but let's assume a gratis-but-ads option is not available for whatever reason
>For those $5 I also get a month of free tech support, and every monthly update installer is just $1
>BUT WAIT, I HEARD THERES A WAY TO GET IT FREE!

>Google tells me to download some folder from the "source" section and I have to "decompress" it
>Try double-clicking the "INSTALL" paper inside
>Doesn't work
>Read next steps
>I need to know how to program or some bullshit
>Fuck that

So normie either paid for the installers and monthly update binaries, or he got them from some warez site run by a sketchy Indian dude and would have pirated your closed-source software anyways.
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>>58806666
underrated post
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fuck the gpl and fuck stallman
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Reminder that using a software that doesn't werk just to boycott proprietary software is dumb, and if you do this then you should get >>>/out/
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>>58802958
>literal commie.

A "literal commie" believes in a classless, stateless, society.
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>>58806666

Capitalism doesn't work either.

We're currently floating the World economy on $199 TRILLION of debt.

Failure doesn't stop Capitalists trying and it shouldn't stop Communists, either.
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>>58805083
Do you realize that only ~10 cities in Russia even resemble the 21st century? What about cities other than Moscow? Do you think they have it so great?
https://youtu.be/_asmLpqwius
https://youtu.be/-hR4g9GgXXo
https://youtu.be/6W3XYjlfUwo
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>>58819985

Russia's had a market eocnomy for over 25 years.

Living standards took a sharp dive after the fall of the Soviet Union. The IBRD and the IMF attemped to deindustrialize the Russian bear, to break its economy. They nearly suceeded - they set Russia back 30 years.
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>149 posts and 27 image replies omitted.

neck yourselves, all of you
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>>58820021
Exactly. Not to mention the wealth disparity. Moscow was one of the most expensive cities to live in, but on the other hand there are rural areas that don't even resemble the 21st century.
http://rbth.com/business/2015/06/18/moscow_is_no_longer_one_of_worlds_10_most_expensive_cities_47027.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/wealth-inequality-in-russia-in-photos-2016-8
http://www.businessinsider.com/putting-russias-unparalleled-wealth-disparity-in-perspective-2013-10
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>>58806119
this.
Actually, open source is the pinnacle of capitalism and competition.
The main drive of the free market is providing the best products for the lowest prices.
And the lowest prices you could lower to are practically 0$, while the best, most secure and trustworthy software is generally open-source.
It also rewards coding skill and hard work, since if a software is doing badly, and you believe you can do better than them, you are encouraged to do so, and profit off the success
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>>58820047
thanks for the reply
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>>58815265
Literally have no idea what you talking about. Communism it's anti-government ideology by design.
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>>58820722
t. bernie voter
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>>58820751
t. American
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>>58820751
I don't vote. (even though it's mandatory in my country)
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>>58817219

>scarcity is being artificially imposed by savage capitalism in order to force profit at the expense of the worker and the consumer

News at 11.

Pic related.
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>>58820751

Try reading a book once in your life, you tool.
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>>58820751
>implying
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>>58820756
No shit. Gee, you're real smart, aren't you?
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>>58803165
>BSD is private property through theft
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>>58815265
>i am not ready nor will i ever be ready to have the government tell me what i can and cannot have
Anon, I've got some bad news...
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>>58820850
Based book.
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>>58802958

On a professional level, I appreciate proper support more then anything else. FOSS is great, but having paid support plans I fully agree with. It sucks having to spend hours on the internet researching a problem, when I can put in a ticket and get a real response to a problem and it actually works the first time.
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>>58802958
>Implying communism is bad
get out pajeet
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>>58803080
Well, yeah, if you've been the same level of free your entire life you'd feel as free as you ever had, that's kind of the idea. The point is you could be MORE free
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>>58818330
>making yourself a slave is true freedom
ok kid
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Friendly Reminder.
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>>58825074
>I don't have arguments so I'll just blame it on a conspiracy
Freetards can't recover.
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>>58820847
Don't worry lad I'm still a lefty, but I just wanted to point out that not even the false claims of capitalists apply here.
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>>58826500
Go back to where you came from, shill.

Mods have already confirmed in IRC that your IP is linked to a bunch of similar posts.
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>>58825074
>>>/x/
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>>58827069
>>58826500
samefag
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