Apple to stop support of 32-bit apps

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>>58747608
In other news, Arch is killing 32bit apps as well.

https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2017-January/028660.html

32 bit is dead. Go get a $20 64bit CPU, poorfaggot.

>>58747608
Well, there's no support for 16-bit platforms, it was matter of time when 32-bit applications stop being developed.

>>58747622
Desktop Linux is usually a system for old PCs that can't run new versions of Windows. Arch community is fucking retarded. People will install Lubuntu on their grandma's computer and never again look at Arch.

>>58747634
ahaha your f*cking dumb

This is good.

>>58747631
It costs nothing, nill, zero to run a 32 bit app on a 64 bit CPU but they are blocking the execution of 32 bit apps on IOS anyway. Think sheep, think.

>>58747608
>current year
>buying 32-bit versions for a 64-bit only OS
laughinganimegirls.jpeg

>>58747634
>Desktop Linux is usually a system for old PCs

Sure if you install Ubantu 8 or some shit haha

>>58747644
How else can you have a secure OS on an old Laptop you decided to give your grandma or your poor neighbor? You idiots waste money on useless shit when the old shit works just fine and love that planned obsolescence.

>>58747634
32 bit is dead. grandpa.

don't buy a box of ovaltine one week and you'll be able to afford a cheap 64-bit computer.

we're in 2017 for fuck's sake. 32 bit is insecure and total garbage.

>>58747645
+
64 bit became a thing a decade ago, they just have to move on already

please force ipv6 too
someone has to

>>58747663
>32 bit is insecure
How so? Lubuntu works fine on my 32 bit machine and it receives constant updates.
You can get older 32 bit machines for pennies and they are fine for 99% of uses except gaming. So a normie who isn't into HD youtube can do anything he/she needs on such machine.

>>58747663
Literally topkek. I haven't heard of ovaltine for years. I didn't know they even still sold it

>>58747670
Why? Why do you monkeys love killing backwards compatibility so much? There are no gains for the customer in this.

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>>58747646
>It costs nothing, nill, zero to run a 32 bit app on a 64 bit CPU but they are blocking the execution of 32 bit apps on IOS anyway
>Apple
wow, who would think they dare to ditch backward compatibility

>>58747622
Except it's not even close.

Arch is phasing out their i686 port, not outright cutting out compatibility with x86 apps.

>>58747646
Dunno about ARM, but x64 does require a bit of emulation magic to run x86 apps in x64 mode (mostly deprecated things like segment registers and the like)

I don't expect AArch64 to require half as much code to run legacy stuff, though.

>>58747663
"32bit is insecure"
That has to be the biggest bullshit I've heard this decade.

What the fuck is an app?

>>58747743
>That has to be the biggest bullshit I've heard this decade.
That's what his Iphone told him.

>>58747747
It's a kind of sonic.

>>58747743
64 bit ARM processors have a compatibility mode that lets you simply run 32 bit executables without a change in code called A32 mode

>>58747646
I don't know about macOS but at least Microsoft has to maintain both 32- and 64-bit versions of their libraries/APIs and an automated mechanism that switches between them. So being able to run 32-bit software on 64-bit OS does cost reseources.

>>58747622
>go dive right into consumerism
Eat a dick

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>>58747741
And two versions later they did it again

>>58747843
And yet you still keep buying their "American" shit manufactured in China.

>>58747851
My newest Mac is 9 years old.

I'm pretty surprised it's been this long.
When they introduced 64 bit, I was all "Well, that's nice that they still let you run old apps, maybe they'll drop it in the next iOS version, that should be long enough?"
By this point I'd completely forgotten apple was even still supporting them. Wow.

>>58747766
Just read about it, you're right. It's like the x86-mode in x64 CPUs but it can switched on-the-fly.
I would still assume that requires a bit of work from the OS in recognizing that an app is A32 (via executable header, one would assume) and switch to it (and back to A64 when its scheduling time is over).

>>58747882
>then you have a problem
My phone still works fine even though it was designed to break? Wow, I sure have a problem and need to replace that working phone with a new one.

>>58747891
Listen, fanboy.
Apple wants to fuck you in the ass and that's it.
There is no convoluted backstory here.

>>58747904
Just ignore anything from that trip, literally every post is a shitpost.

>>58747913
Oh poor me! All of my 0 Apple devices are now bricks (when haven't they really) because my argument is now moot!
Thank god you have been blessed with the power of reasoning without having your mind clouded by a logo!

Where did you read I was defending their decision anyway? I think it's retarded (they're just cutting off a feature that it costs them jack shit to keep), but it's not like any Apple idiot is gonna complain.

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>>58747741
Those were some dark days, but we've moved past them.

So, wait. Does that mean there will be no iOS 11 for 32bit devices? That may be a good thing.
> no improvements in the GUI part of iOS or features since iOS 8
> iOS 10 will be jailbroken someday

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>>58747882
>If you're still using 32-bit in 2017 then you have a problem
>PowerPCfag
top kek

>>58748139
He's not PowerPC fag, he shitposts with my old trip. Also,
>implying there aren't 64-bit PowerPC CPUs

>>58748157
>2017
>using PowerPC

>>58748250
>any year
>arbitrary restrictions on processor architecures

>>58747663
>implying ovaltine comes in a box
I think you are inbred or pajeet.

>>58748444
> 2017
> not buying your ovaltine in bulk boxes

>>58747634
Even old PCs are 64bit now

>>58748486
Older ones aren't.

This a good position to be in, you have such sheep as customers you can do anything you want to make company's life more comfortable, even if that means screwing your customers

>>58748491
The older ones are almost useless now. Why would you even try running new software with them?

>>58748505
Just go back to /v/ already

>>58748510
You go back to /v/. 32bit is legacy and it WILL die

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>>58747608
>>58747622
The sooner we get idiots off of 32-bit, the better.
Lets stop the 2038 problem now, before it becomes a huge pain in the future.

>>58748505
>Why would you even try running new software with them?
Because it runs without problems on them?
CPUs don't get faster anymore.

In the meantime /v/indows users still run 32-bit browsers because Microsoft is too afraid to cut old ties.

>>58748510
Don't get mad for not being able to buy a better computer than Nehalem, pajeet.

>>58748517
>muh mindless consumerism

>>58748519
>Lets stop the 2038 problem now
OpenBSD doesn't have this issue.

>>58748519
>signed 32-bit integer
Just use unsigned 32-bit integer.
You can't have negative time.

>>58748543
>muh using legacy crap for the sake of it

>>58747622

For desktops maybe. Must be fun in that super small world of yours.

>>58748530
Yes it runs and yes it might do a decent job at it. However, why would you use an old af cpu that sucks shitload of electricity when you can get newer cpu that does more with less.

>>58748552
>muh upgrading just because something newer exists
How do people this dumb even survive?

>>58748505
>>58748530
Not that guy but pretty much every CPU has been 64 bit since Pentium 4, with the notable exception of a few atom chips that are so slow that they should never have been released. No matter how you twist it, you're looking at Pentium 3 levels of performance if you've got a pure 32 bit x86 machine. Would that even run a modern website?

>>58748568
>power consumption
Third world issues are irrelevant to first worlders.

>>58748568
>why would you use an old af cpu that sucks shitload of electricity when you can get newer cpu that does more with less.
Because I would rather have 10 machines for the price of one new.

>>58747706
Rude. I still drink Ovaltine. Nutritious as fuck.

25 years old.

>>58748549
That is how current software systems are written.
Either way, you're going to have to recompile/reconfigure/rewhatever existing software systems. If you're changing shit anyway, you may as well change the CPUs to 64-bit ones.
Anyway, using unsigned 32-bit integers just pushes the problem out 50 years, which is still a conceivable amount of time and will still be an issue in our lifetime.

>>58748584
Core was 32-bit

>>58748572
>muh using legacy crap for the sake of it, even if there is an upgrade offering a better experience
Why didn't you kill yourself yet, fucking luddite?

>>58748587
You don't even fucking have to buy new. 64bit is supported in many old shit. 32bit only cpus are shit in todays standard

>>58748594
I'm pretty sure I'll be dead by 2106.

>>58748610
That's my point, if upgrading doesn't offer a better experience then there's no damned reason to upgrade. Don't fix what isn't broken.

>>58748612
I'm hoping medicine will catch up by then.

>>58748611
Pure 32 bit computer would cost me about 1/10 of a new desktop. Having 20 workstations for students for the cost of one new PC is the way to go. All you need is Linux. They don't need to play games or watch youtube during classes.

>>58748600
They were also ULV and used in absolutely fuck all. Again, they're not much better than pentium 3 levels of performance and they wouldn't run a modern website.

>>58748621
Nope. Regular plebs won't benefit from the advances in medicine at all. Don't forget that you are a nobody.

>>58748628
Meanwhile I use a Core processor for web browsing almost daily

>>58748587
>let's buy 10 inferior old machines struggling with new demanding software with their processing power combined can't match one new pc
retard

>>58748626
Are you really this stupid? Virtualize you dumbass. And are you really buying 10+ year old stuff for students?

>>58748628
>They were also ULV and used in absolutely fuck all.
Asus UL30VT was the best laptop back in the day. It had 13 hours battery life and an option to manually turn NVIDIA GPU on. Don't talk shit about ULV as my mother still uses this laptop and everything works fine. Webbrowser, youtube, Skype, you name it.

>>58748644
What demanding software? They need to write fucking python scripts on these machines.

>>58748626
>Pure 32 bit computer would cost me about 1/10 of a new desktop. Having 20 workstations for students for the cost of one new PC is the way to go. All you need is Linux. They don't need to play games or watch youtube during classes.
Not that guy but you didn't actually address his point. You said that used 32 bit machines are much more affordable than a new 64 bit machine, to which he responded that there were used 64 bit machines. You can't get around that by restating that used 32 bit machines are cheaper than new 64 bit machines.

>>58748649
>Virtualize you dumbass
How does one connect displays and keyboards to one machine? You still need terminals which aren't that cheap. Not to mention that you have to pay the technician to set this up more than it costs to just buy 10 computers.

>>58748672
So you don't know anything?

>>58748638
Are you using a GUI or are you going full Stallman?
>>58748653
>Youtube
Can it actually decode anything more than 360p?

>>58748668
But used 64-bit core2 machines are still twice as expensive as other 32-bit computers.

>>58748682
Using a GUI

>>58747608
>app

>>>/lgbt/

>>58748684
>But used 64-bit core2 machines are still twice as expensive as other 32-bit computers.
Those machines regularly turn up in the "free to good home" section of any newspaper. Are your 32 bit machines cheaper than free? Are people paying you to remove them?

>>58748693
>implying it's an Apple exclusive thing to refer to cellphone programs as "apps"

>>58748681
Explain to me how they can use shit without using a thin client connected to the VM server?

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>using 32 bits
>2017

>>58748686
Colour me impressed. XFCE or LXDE? Or is there something even lower weight nowadays? What web browser do you use and does anything run without disabling javascript?

>>58748713
Yeah, cellphones totally need 64-bit CPUs

>>58748682
>Can it actually decode anything more than 360p?
Sure it can. It has a 512 MB NVIDIA on the board.

https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/UL30Vt/specifications/

>>58748701
I don't live in Murrica where people just give away valuable electronics.

>>58748706
No, but they started this cancerous trend.

Who cares, you can just recompile it.
>closed software
oh wait

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>>58748486

>>58748724
POSReady 2009 with Opera 12.18 and Scriptweeder (like NoScript but for Opera).

You motherfuckers never had a Ovaltine milkshake? Shit is god tier

>>58748730
>core 2
Yeah, not a 32 bit machine. You may be running a 32 bit OS but the CPU itself is 64 bit.

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>>58748724
>Or is there something even lower weight nowadays?
pic
>What web browser do you use and does anything run without disabling javascript?
Why would you NOT use NoScript?
Anyway, dwb browser is fine.
Firefox ESR for normies is fine too.

I dare you to find the newest 32bit only intel mainstream desktop processor. Shits not even made this decade

>>58748729
>DUDE 4+ GB OF RAM USE LMAO
please die

>>58748767
>Shits not even made this decade
And?

>>58748769
What the fuck are you on about?

>>58748777
And?

>>58748769
Android and IOS are cancer. Various Linux distros on phones never use that much resources.

>>58748750
So windows XP with an outdated browser and websites stripped down to the point of barely working?

>>58747608
How insane are you?

32 bit macs have not been sold for years and even so, 32 bit macs can still run 64 bit applications.

Usually they don't need to, because in universal applications, 32bit, 64 bit and possibly even powerPC binaries are bundled.
And most of them have been only delivering 64bit binaries for years because there's no reason to support the other systems.

>>58748791
Windows XP for now, I found my dock yesterday so now I can install OpenBSD.
>outdated browser
By choice, not necessity. I could be using a multiprocessor workstation with the toppest of the line Xeons and Opera 12.16 would still be my go-to browser.
>stripped down to the point of barely working
I strip them of useless bullshit like ads and social networking

>>58748834
I would make fun of you but there's nothing I can say could top what you've already said.

>>58748872
I don't see what there is to make fun of.

>>58748876
Of course you wouldn't, you're the punchline.

>>58748888
ebin

>>58747634
People who install Arch on their grandma's computer deserve to be shot anyway.
Arch is designed for "powerusers", not 70-year-old women with P4s.

>>58748897
Arch is designed for entry-level power users

>>58748972
Like my grandmother.

>>58748972
"poweruser" is a joke. Nobody uses that term seriously.
Someone who knows his shit can use a system regardless of distribution.

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>>58747634
>Desktop Linux
this meme along with the "distrubtion meme" needs to die

>>58749057
What meme? Desktop Linux means it's meant for desktops. It helps to distinguish from things such as Android and DD-WRT

>>58749057
Distributions are real.
Suse is different from Gentoo and Debian.
As a Debian user I find Fedora and Gentoo pain in the ass to use.

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>>58747608
"No one will need more than 16GB of memory for a calculator app."

-anon

>>58747634
kek, this

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>>58748834
>mfw just loaded my old Opera presto from backup

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>>58748894
>anime shit
>username is PowerPCfag
imploster pls

>>58749212
Irrelevant. The point is that the real PowerPCfag (me) isn't a weeb.

>>58749188
Hi 8-bit guy.
Release more videos instead of shitposting on /g/.

>>58749236
I don't know who 8-bit guy is

>>58749241
Repeating false claims doesn't make them true.

>>58749288
dumb phone poster

>>58749363
But I'm using my desktop?

>>58749413
t. epik 12 year old memester

>>58749428
>>58749419
Shut the fuck up, both of you.

>>58749441
no

>>58749288

How about banning trips all together?

>>58749363
>>58749413
>>58749428
Put your trip back on.

>>58749450
That works too. I'd be happy if just the designated shitposting trip got banned though

>>58749452
That's not his trip.

THANK YOU BASED APPLE

>>58747634
I put my grandfather on Ubuntu because he was confused and upset by Windows 10 built in adware. Decent hardware, not some old Pentium.

>>58749527
Well, Unity in Ubuntu is also shit.
Use MATE, XFCE, LXDE or anything else that looks like WINXP.

>>58749596
not anime

>>58747741
Right in the feels

same with PowerPC Apps

>>58748740
This happens in every country I've lived in, including fucking Poland. Is your country poorer than Poland? If that's the case, you should be teaching those kids how to cook rats, now how to code.

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>>58749758
One day I will steal your fucking job Polski.

>>58748729
uhm actually most phones have 64-bit CPUs.
the Note 4 already shipped with one, though it ran in 32-bit mode.

but now even poop SOCs run on 64.

>>58749792
Protip; you don't have to be Polish to live in Poland. You don't even need to speak Polish, the only word I learned was "borsuk".

>>58749883
You don't have to be gay to take it in the butt.

Who gives a fuck, isn't this to be expected of apple?

I commandeered my GFs 2007 macbook and I can't update past 10.7.5. A lot of software refuses to update because of the OS version, including chrome. Slowly but surely it's becoming a paperweight eventhough the hardware still just twerks.

>>58749866
uhm actually I never said otherwise.

>>58750069
>2007 macbook and I can't update past 10.7.5
Well yeah, OS X dropped support for 32-bit CPUs years ago.
>Slowly but surely it's becoming a paperweight eventhough the hardware still just twerks.
You do realize it's not locked to OS X, right?

>>58750132
Nevermind on the 32-bit part, I was thinking 2007 models still had Core CPUs

>>58747634
Arch is for power users who want bleeding edge software, not old women

>>58747608
Steam get the fucking shit together and put out a decent 64bits client

>>58750180
This. Arch is for hardcore hackers, expert programmers and top-tier server stuff.

>>58750519
Steam for Linux should have been 64-bit from day 1. That was one of my first thoughts when they released it. They should have required all Linux games to be 64-bit also
Now it's too late and they have to ship bloated compatibility libraries for all eternity

>>58750524
>this is what archfags tell themselves

>>58750546
laughed out lol.

In regards to PPC and Rosetta, who the fuck cares. Just run Snow Leopard in a VM and for OS9 programs use SheepShaver?

Or do what I did and get a cheap PowerBook.

>>58747891
>It's like the x86-mode in x64 CPUs but it can switched on-the-fly.
It actually can't be switched "on-the-fly" anymore than x86's 32- and 64- bit modes can be. A theoretical OS maybe could somehow support programs with mixed arm32 and arm64 code, but none actually do (Windows, Linux and BSD certainly don't).

Basically, arm64's 32-bit mode is exactly like amd64's, except with even less compatible bytecode.

>>58750817
Good goyim

>>58748618
They're not fixing anything, just dropping support/maintenance.
If you really want to, go build/patch yourself. Fucking Pentium 3.

>>58748585
>implying
In my 3rd world we just suck electricity from public lightpost.
Free energy is not a problem here, ameriburguer.

>>58747608

And this is why Windows rules the desktop market, you still can run ancient as fuck applications on windows 10

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>>58747622
linuxfags btfo

Apple and Arch are for pajeets. I'm white I don't care.

>>58747608

*cricket chirps*

>>58750132
Nothing else really works nicely on it. Something is always broken or battery just plain sucks. I tried.

>>58750150
It has a core 2 duo and it's still bretty gud.

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>>58751339
That's their only advantage these days.
If they some how manage to successfully pull off that x86->ARM translation bullshit then they've basically won the mobile enterprise wars.
Not sure how they'll do it in a reliable manner since old developers did some batshit insane stuff to make things work.

>32bit in 2017
It's not the stone age, faggots.

If you have an iPhone 5c or an older iPhone, you will lose support.

>>58751604
it's super quick, faggot

much quicker and up to 64GB of RAM, what's there not to love?

>inb4 huehuehurrdurr virtualize GPU passthrough

>>58748590
Milo is better

>>58747608
I have 5.25" floppy software that doesn't work anymore also.

I'm not sure where the motivation for endless backward compatibility comes from. We've really dug ourselves a hole with it.

>>58748590
>>58751702
SOYLENT

>>58751339
Old Windows applications work better on WINE under Linux than on Windows 8/10.

>>58747608
REEEEEEEEE I FUCKING HATE THEM SO MUCH. FIRST ALL THE COOL FEATURES GO TO THE 64bit CRAP, NOW WE HAVE NO JAILBREAK FOR 32bit DEVICES. WHAT DO? I DONT WANT ANDROID BECAUSE I DO T LIKE GOOGLE'S COCK NOR DO I WANT TO INSTALL A CURRY NIGGER ROM!!

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>>58747851
Not anymore

> iOS 11 will probably be 64bit exclusive
Is that going to be supported on any 32bit devices? I think the last 32bit devices are the iPod Touch 5, iPhone 5 and the iPad 4
Those are ancient shit by now.

>>58748059
Only for fucking 64bit devices. Why don't those Chinese fags jailbreak 32bit devices?

>>58750069
Install windows or Gentoo

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>>58751613

Every post clamoring for continued 32-bit support was made from a 64-bit CPU.

>>58748029
how???

>>58752894
Not me.
Sent from my iPhone 5

>>58750132
http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/os-x-el-capitan-on-unsupported-macs.1889851/

>>58747798
How is getting a $20 used AMD x86_64 CPU related to consumerism?

32-Bit/x86 are dog-doodoo anyway.

>>58748491
Pentium 4 630, Q4 2005 (<- I have this processor)
Athlon 64 2800, Q1 2003

I hate elitism over outdated hardware as much as anybody, but FUCKING COME ON. THERE ARE 64-BIT CPUs THAT HAVE LITERAL HISTORICAL INTEREST AT THIS POINT.

>>58747608
RIP my iPhone 5. Guess I'll just get a SE or an 8 once iOS 11 hits.

>>58747608

32 bit is obsolete at this point. Most people are using computers with over 4gb of Ram now.

>>58747663
Most standard binary exploitation defenses aren't architecture specific.
Aslr, DEP, NX, Cfg and stack canaries work in both 32 and 64