/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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First for Larry. Install Gentoo!

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HIJACKING THIS THREAD IN THE NAME OF BSD

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>>58744190
Are you using LibertyBSD? You'd better be!

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Why hasn't the Intel Management Engine been compromised yet?

Seems like a very ripe target for attack.

I've just installed Debian. My very first (fully installed) distribution, however, Gentoo was my first linux "experience". I grew impatient with setting everything up, that's why I'm not using Gentoo now.

>>58745451
unsubscrbe

Should I try to download drivers separately before installing debian or just let it handle it?

>>58745873
Do not install outside of your package manager

>>58745873
Download debian-nonfree image. It has firmware and stuff

>>58746085
Nouveau should be okay for legacy hardware?

>>58743904
I like htop's looks but dstat is more useful for troubleshooting. What do you use to monitor CLI resource use and things like IO latency or blocking under load?

How do I use synaptic on fedora? I have apt and synaptic installed but I have no idea how to add dnf repos to apt?

>>58746213
You would have to check the feature matrix of your card,but generically, yes it would be fine for daily use

>>58746239
You don't

>>58746263
Thats too bad, yumex is worst pkgmanager front end ever created. Is there gui like synaptic for dnf?

Linux should see NTFS partitions just fine and manipulate files in it just fine, right?

>>58746387
If you're using ntfs-3g, they will

>>58746360
I think the Fedora devs only care about the Gnome software center, whatever it's called nowadays

>>58746421
Gnome software center doesnt show all packages

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>>58743933

>>58746401
Since Windows is using NTFS, I'll have to find another way.

Gentoo users, mind explaining why you like portage? Building stuff from source has always seemed like a con to me, but Gentoo looks interesting because of no systemd.

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>>58744190
FuckBSD

>>58747164
Gentoo user here. Use arch with openRC if arch still supports it

>>58746235
nmon, is also freaking sexy

>>58747186
Arch doesn't support it. The best init agnostic distro outside a source based is Devuan.

>>58747164
>because of no systemd
the fuck? is everyone using systemd now?

>>58747305
wow im so behind, gentoo's pretty much the only one.

>>58747327
no is not, thankfully

What firewall rules would you recommend that I use on my laptop. I use it at home behind a NAT (no ports are forwarded to the laptop) and at my school.

Block all incoming TCP connections, unless established from my side, and then what?

Hey guys I recently installed Ubuntu and I'm pretty happy about but I got some questions.
When I used Windows I used ccleaner once in a while to get rid of unnecessary shit, is using a similar service necessary on Linux?

>>58747465
What are you trying to get rid of?

>>58747465
ccleaner was just a placebo for the most part anyway. people didn't empty their rubbish bins and MS would absolute cunts and have many gigs of unneeded update files sitting around for no reason. Cleaning up the registry was pretty pointless too.

If you install is years old and in that time you've upgraded the kernel tons of times, have loads of orphaned files and want to clear the cahce of packages then you can deal with it then. But it's really not something you need to worry about.

>installing loonix
>mounted root and swap on SSD
>Have ext4 partition that I want to use for games (steam mostly)
Where do i mount it? I don't want it to be home.

So who at Kubuntu thought it was a good idea to make Libreoffice Draw the default association for PDF? I opened the Shadowrun corebook (about 550 pages) and it almost broke my ram. Got it covered now with okular but ffs why not include kde's pdf reader in a kde oriented distro, let alone whose idea it was to associate pdfs to a fucking paint-like image editor.

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>>58747439
I just

ufw enable

tbqhfam

>>58747465
no, it doesn't bog the memory but some people like to use bleachbit to remove unnecessary files and for security reasons

Hillary approves

>>58747509
>>58747483
Alright thanks anon

>>58747465
There's not much unnecessary shit here you could get rid of. Cleaning package caches and old kernel images is enough.

how do programs send messages so I cen see them with dmesg (like ufw for example)? is there a way to do this from the terminal?
>ringbuffer-send 'ayy lmao'

>>58747521
>>58747599
>>58747509
You guys sound smart so let me ask one more pleb question
Is any kind of anti virus/malware protection needed on Ubuntu?
Btw thanks for helping out

>>58747642
Free software is the best AntiVirus protection. Just don't run blindly code made by people you don't trust (PPAs, AUR, etc). There's "clamav" to scan for windows malware, but such malware wouldn't affect your system anyway (unless you run it in WINE). Common Sense 2017 is as always all you need.

>>58747642
>You guys sound smart
we only pretend

>Is any kind of anti virus/malware protection needed on Ubuntu?
no, not really

>>58747642
You don't really need it no. You will probably only ever install software from your distros official repository and if you use permissions like you are supposed to the system is secure. You also get security through obscurity, windows machines are a much more populated and easy target.

>>58747693
>>58747698
>>58747711
Thanks anons you've been a big help

>>58747642
anti virus software is a meme, because viruses don't exist; there are only programs doing their jobs and unlike proprietary systems/programs, where it's easy to backdoor binaries, you and millions of other people cam see what a program does and developers can remove maliciouse code from a package even before it enters a distributions repo.

>>58747771
Well, that works for FOSS, but if you install proprietary software on your FOSS machine, you have the same problem like on Windows and the only way to check for bad code is heuristic, which is why anti virus software exists.

>>58747796
when you use proprietary software, you usually don't care much about security anyway
imho nonfree software belongs into a vm or into the trash
either a secure system or nonfree software, you cant have both...

>have windows dual booted because I used to rarely need it for stuff (VM etc isn't an option)
>Literally haven't used it for a year, I was much less knowledgeable about computers then
>Mostly used it for games, office and proprietary software
>Boot into it
>cringe as 15 startup items including steam, NVIDIA GeForce Experience, Spotify, some garish overclocking software as well as drivers that for some reason demand their own programs open
>Look at filesystem to delete stuff to save space
>Tons of near useless programs wasting tons of space, each with their own program files entry
>Try to change some settings
>Half the settings can be changed through two different menus
>Uses twice as much space as Linux with the same programs
>Actually need to worry about viruses
>Botnet
>Badly written and bloated so badly many things barely work

Windows is a truly cancerous piece of shit, as is most of its software. Not to mention how fucking bad nfts is, and the price tag.

>>58748214
This so much. It now comes with the added feature of booting your computer at night without asking.

>>58743904
What is the most noob-friendly distro? I've only ever used windows and I don't want to JUST my computer by accidentally being too close to code.

>>58748347
Ubuntu if you dont like Unity, go with Linux Mint

I'm very mad because someone told me that mate is good but there isn't a way to make so that if throw my mouse on the top right and i left click i close a maximized window. Feels like macOS

>>58748375
>recommenting Mint
found the troll

>>58748403
What else then? here a free (You)

>>58748473
Ubuntu Mate?

>>58748473
>>58748347
Ubuntu and if you don't like unity get any other flavour DE (xubuntu, kubuntu, whatever). I use KDE (kubuntu). Do some research on DEs and pick one that looks like you want, or you can try many with "allinone" or something like that.

>>58748214
>>58748246

kek, "knows" how to use linux yet fail to learn the more user friendly windows.

kek to you samefag

>>58748578
Obviously you haven't even used a GNU/Linux liveCD. In any case this is /fglt/, so take your shitposting and/or shilling elsewhere.

>>58748691
who uses CD-s anymore kek
and using "obviously"

go troll your other neet mlp fags you have in the basement

>>58747164

>apparently advanced enough not to need systemd
>doesn't understand the benefits of building packages/sofware yourself

Kill yourself you pretentious poser.

>>58748214

>use it for games, office and proprietary software

So for everything? Did you boot into your Linux distribution just to browse the internet and then boot back to Windows to edit an image quickly and write something in "office"? Pathetic.

>>58748403
>>58748473
>>58748578
>>58748765
>>58748832
>*** Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly GNU/Linux Thread. ***

back to page 1 with you

Is there a way to use vim as hexeditor?

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>>58749561
:%!xxd converts the buffer to hex
:%!xxd -r converts it back
Map it to keys for maximum convenience.

Whats some good awk/sed guide ?

>>58749618
Thanks!

>>58749657
http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/ is the best by far.
Also have a look into these:
http://www.pement.org/awk/awk1line.txt
http://www.pement.org/sed/sed1line.txt

How do I make i3 reserve space for a docked lemonbar (with -d) ?
I want gaps around it so I added -d but it just floats on top of the workspace.

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>>58713556
I MADE IT

>>58750019
welcome to the other side
try installing inxi for real system information

also latest KDE:
sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports

latest mesa drivers:
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers

and update your kernel .... 4.9.6 is latest stable release already

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/G/entlemen, my first attempt at installing debian via netinstall iso botched bootloader and wasted my time so far.
I started install, had to go afk so I left it downloading 1440 packages from repo. I come back 4 hours later, grub failed to install, text installer started asking for CD while being loaded from CD and then stopped responding. I had little time at this moment, so I clicked "Graphic install" for giggles, skipped installing packages from repository and also had to skip something named "System and standard programs" simply because it failed to do so itself. Grub installed successfully, so tomorrow I'll look at barebones debian. I also hope I would be able to load into windows partition. What would be my first action from debian terminal so I won't be stuck editing doc and viewing pdf files via console?

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>>58750019
Should we tell her?

>>58750019
Now, write "man screenfetch" and search what flag you need to use in order to truncate the output based on the terminal width.
Repeat this with all commands you have questions about.

Welcome

Cinnamon, Mate, or just a WM?

>>58750135
Still better than Windows so it's still WIN.

>>58750135
>we

>>58750276
im french btw

>>58750265
I know it sounds strange, but how about making your own decisions? You know best what's good for you.

>>58750291
I've used variations of all three. I'm just interested in what others think :)

(I'm a fan WM only)

>>58750265
WM + favorite programs = best DE, but only if you love your computer. If you just want to have something to get shit done, KDE.

Is there anything simliar to OverTheWire's bandit? Shit was fun.

has anybody here deep understanding of xrandr? i would like to solve a problem of mine if somebody can take the time to answer

>>58750265
I should really look into just using a WM plus the other things I need. I am running mate right now and it has only the bare minimum for what I need. I guess if I had my status notifications as well as date and time I really don't need anything else aside from my windows.

Not really a fan of using the terminal for absolutely everything though. Clicking through a GUI with a mouse is lazy and easy. [spoiler]I can even do it in bed.[/spoiler]

>>58750400
WMs aren't terminal only. You can use guis all you want. Tiling WMs just tile your windows across the screen.

You can do everything without removing your hand from the keyboard! It's even more lazy :)

>>58750479
desu typing is more of a pain than clicking a mouse. especially if you aren't sitting at a desk.

Hi, I'm using kubuntu 16.10. I added the backports repos to get KDE 5.85 (default is 5.75). Someone tells me I can enable the Neon repos to get 5.9 which is out yesterday. Can someone explain how to do it?

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>>58750119
>>58750247
Thank you, I'll get on these right away.

>>58750135
I already got a feeling there's at least 15 things wrong in that screenfetch.

>>58750590
get rid of Kubuntu and switch to KDE Neon if you want a less buggy shit experience.

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bash

$ var=hello
$ echo "${#var[@]}"
1
$ var=(hello)
$ echo "${#var[@]}"
1

zsh

$ var=hello
$ echo "${#var[@]}"
5
$ var=(hello)
$ echo "${#var[@]}"
1

>>58750656
I guess I'll do it in a few days, I just reinstalled kubuntu yesterday and can't be asked to change distros at least until tomorrow.

What's so wrong about Kubuntu compared to Neon anyway? Is most of the team on neon now? I've heard bad things about kubuntu but I guess I need to hear what ppl won't print on official sites.

>>58743904
what's that systemmd command that shows boottime something like sysmte-md-analyze

What DE is everyone using?

>>58750821
tmux obvs

>>58750821
that K.

>>58750394
What's the problem?
>>58750676

$ var=hello; echo "${#var}"
5

@ is referring to an array
# combined with @ counts array items

bash

$ var=(hello faggot); echo "${#var[@]}"
2

zsh

% var=(hello faggot); echo "${#var[@]}"
2

>>58747164
Gentoo user here.

The first thing to keep in mind is that using portage doesn't really feel like you're compiling anything. It just does its magic and maybe takes a little bit longer than a binary installation.

Once you get used to it it really feels like using any other package manager for the most part.
Except that it gives you so many more options to choose from if you want. If I install something I can look and see that it comes with GTK+ and qt5 and go
>shit, I only need one of those, let me tell portage to build it for only one and leave out support for the other
or say you don't use pulseaudio, you can tell portage to globally never build pulse support for anything, meaning you never pull in any pulseaudio dependencies.

But even if that stuff sounds too advanced, remember it's not even necessary. You can also get lazy and just let portage do whatever the fuck it wants and then your system is a little bit closer to having the bloat you'd get from binary distros.

Then on top of all that, there's the benefits of everything on your system being compiled for your specific hardware, and everything being built with the exact versions of libraries you have on your system. The end result is that despite being fairly "bleeding edge" Gentoo is actually one of the most stable distros you'll ever find, and thanks to the flexibility of portage and compiling locally rather than downloading pre-compiled binaries even when something does break it's pretty much always possible to resolve the issue and get your machine working again.

I think the only times re-installation is considered to be the best solution when fixing a Gentoo machine, is when the system is like 10yrs out of date and even then it's still probably doable, but re-installation is just simpler at that point.

>>58750974
Yep, point is that since ${#var[@]} is specifically used for getting the size of an array it's a bad thing it returns the length of variable when used on a single variable instead of an array. That would be a problem, for example, if you didn't know whether var was a single variable or an array. Practically speaking it's not an issue because I can't really think of a case where that could be a problem (except perhaps indirection or if var is a nameref) but still, not good.

>>58751024
if you aim for portability, don't use arrays and write posix sh, which is supported by both, bash and zsh

>>58750265

Hint: Cinnamon and Mate have window managers as well.
You idiots who install "just a WM" end up with the same utilities just like the pre assembled desktop environments. Of course you're too stupid and busy with your retarded elitism to realize that.

>>58745244
I don't know but there is a workaround that practically disables it. I don't know if it works but it's therebit github.

>>58751062
Yeah I know, I guess this is more of a gripe with zsh specifically since that's just inconsistent behavior. And of course now it's way too late to make arrays part of POSIX shell spec exactly because different shells implement them in different ways. Even zsh wouldn't probably change that behavior because who the hell knows, someone's old script might actually depend on it behaving like it does atm. What a pain in the ass.

>>58751118
just use perl my man

>>58750821
The kool one.

>>58750821
The best.

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>>58743904
How to get bigger thumbnails in the file browser (xfce)? These are pretty small and I can't use them for previews.

>>58751149
The DE.

>>58751255

Go to View and increase their size to the maximum. If that still isn't big enough for you, replace Thunar (your file manager) with something else.
I use Nemo and just tested how big the thumbnails get and it's pretty big. As far as I know GNOME Files also offers really big previews, but it doesn't have many features.

>>58751318
That's about as big as they can be. I will try swapping the file manager then.

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>>58751341
Try Dolphin or Nemo. Every other file manager is trash in comparison.

>>58751400
THATS the size of thubms I need. Is that Dolphin?

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>>58751422
Yes. Also comes with a tree style view which is similar to what you posted.
If you're on a GTK based desktop the theming could be fucked without some tweaking though. If that's the case you should try Nemo.

How good are the Intel video drivers on Linux? I have a machine I'm about to put Fedora on, which uses Wayland, and I'm debating just remove the nvidia card that's in it and using the integrated Intel GPU. I don't actually do anything locally that requires GPU power, so it just needs to be able to handle the desktop and decoding video/steam in-home streaming.

The foss/nvidia driver is kind of shit with this card regardless.

>>58751449
>>58751449
https://askubuntu.com/questions/84929/how-to-set-up-dolphin-as-default-file-manager

Is this a proper guide for changing file manager in general?

>>58751492
I mean you could just place a shortcut to it on your bar/dock/whatever you use. I'm pretty sure other programs are still going to invoke the standard gtk filepicker when clicking open/browser buttons and the like regardless of what is default

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want to add an RSS feed to my panel on XFCE.
How do?

>>58751492
Pretty sure there's an option for the preferred file manager in the control panel already. I think it might be under system->details->preferred applications

Anyone run Linux on a 12" 2016 MacBook (macbook9,1) or 13" 2016 MacBook Pro (macbookpro13,1/13,2)?

Hmm, Nemo has too small preview and Dolphin is bugging out and doesn't show previews for anything.

>>58751736
click the preview button

Explain like i'm 5: Why can't I use my installed windows program in linux?

>>58751902
god made it that way

>>58751902
because it's not windows

they're different operating systems, there's a chance you may be able to run your program with wine, which is a linux program which provides windows programs with a windows-like environment with which to run

>>58750974
i got 2 screens with arranged like one is upright on the left and one is normal on the right

the one on the right side is only 24" while the one at the right is 27"

both got a resolution of 1920x1080

the problem is that the scalling is off so that the top of the right screen is shown several cm lower on the left screen

i know the technecalitys but wrapping my head around it proved that solving this isnt as straight forward as i hoped it would be so input would be very welcome

0: +*HDMI-0 1920/598x1080/336+1080+840  HDMI-0
 1: +DVI-0 1080/510x1920/287+0+0  DVI-0

here my active xrandr
any feedback is welcome

>>58751916
The program will still have the same source code no?

>>58751551
I can't find the location of dolphin when I go to "preferred applications" and then try to browse for alternative file manager. It doesn't appear in the list with Thunar.

Name one free as in freedom alternative to VirtualBox. Thanks in advance.

>>58751939
yes, wine is designed to run completely unmodified windows binaries (and by extension, unmodified sources)

while wine isn't an emulator, that's more of a technical distinction, if you were to imagine wine as being like say, a game console emulator, it fits quite well

if you've used a game console emulator before, you know you have the emulator itself, and a game rom
the emulator creates an environment for the rom to run in, which mirrors how the game console's hardware works

wine is similar, it provides the windows program an environment and supporting libraries which work like they do in windows, but unlike an emulator, it doesn't emulate any hardware, there's no need to, since you're already on hardware that the windows program supports

>>58751936
>the one on the **left** side is only 24" while the one at the right is 27"

correction

>>58752011
qemu with virtmanager for ease of use

>>58752019
wine is not an emulator.

it's a translation layer.
turns nt kernel calls of the software and turns them into linux kernel calls

>>58752058
Thank you

>>58751936
Have you used the --mode option to set the geometry manually?

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set -g mouse on
# to enable mouse scroll, see https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/145#issuecomment-150736967
bind -n WheelUpPane if-shell -F -t = "#{mouse_any_flag}" "send-keys -M" "if -Ft= '#{pane_in_mode}' 'send-keys -M' 'copy-mode -e'"

Enables mouse scrolling in tmux. Scrolling works with 'vim', does not work in 'man'.
Any ideas?

>>58752103
man <your terminal>

>>58752103
if urxvt try URxvt.secondaryScroll

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>>58752103
do you like vim? then simply add this to your bashrc:

export MANPAGER="/bin/sh -c \"col -b | vim -c 'set ft=man ts=8 nomod nolist nonu noma' -\""  

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>>58751936
>>58752029
So pretty much You're trying to align the screens so a straight line drawn on the displays are actually straight and not skewed?
like pic related.

>>58752103

i need an asian gf now

>>58752118
Mouse scrolling in man works outside tmux.
>>58752145
LXTerminal
>>58752146
Once again,
vim is what DOES work.
man is what DOES NOT work.

>>58752181
>Once again,
>vim is what DOES work.
>man is what DOES NOT work.

man uses "less" to show manpages in the terminal by default. That setting allow you to sue vim as pager instead (the pic is the result of "man vim")

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>>58751936
it's like pic related

red dot is the "origin"
the third and fourth numbers are the relative offset of the screens from the origin of the framebuffer

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>>58752270
9000 seconds in krita

this is what the current situation looks in reality

>>58752270
top left black text should be 1080:1920:0:0 *

>>58752234
Amazing, my man.

>>58752295
>24" 1080p
>27" 1080p
ah, they have different pixel densities
the only way to make those match up perfectly is to lower the resolution of the smaller screen so they have the same pixel density (dpi)

>>58751936

Just use arandr or lxrandr to manually arrange the screens and let it write the config file themselves.

>>58752325
that didnt work they went all fubar and didnt even allow proper allignment

>>58752295
>>58752323
-- if you're not concerned and just want the bottom of the screens to match, then use 1920:1080:+1080:+840 for the right screen

>>58752295
its will be slightly off no matter what
>monitor 1 27" = 81.81ppi
>monitor 2 24" =91.8ppi

open a program across both, the adjust randr until theyre close

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>>58752234
Don't you know as well how to wrap

tmux kill-session -t <NUMBER>

into something like

tmux ks -t <NUMBER>

?
And also something like

tmux ksa

to kill all sessions?

How can I make Windows key+D to pop up desktop

>>58752295
>>58752351
and if you are
your 24" monitor is 91.79 dpi, and the 27" is 81.59 dpi
so you need to reduce the resolution of the 24" to get closer to 81.59 dpi
1706x960 at 24" gets 81.56, which is almost the same

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>>58752364
>>58752351
i did come that far

any futher allignment via scaling or similar stuff glitched the screens out or just flat out made the resolution go fubar

btw here a screenshot
top overlap are framebuffer artifacts not visible on the screen

>>58752409

No one can tell you without knowing your window manager. Your "desktop" is usually just the root window, so find a shortcut for hiding all windows.

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>>58752428
could be your driver, mix-matched refresh rates or just that the portrait monitor is drawn first.

i use 75hz since one is 74.98 and the other is 75.02 on nouveau driver

>>58752461
Thanks, found the way to do it.

>>58752490
maybe in the end the best solution is to get just another monitor of the same manufacturer the small one is quite old

>>58752393
you could make a function like:

function tmux-ks() {
    tmux kill-session -t $1
}

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What's your excuse for not using the best GTK theme ever?

https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1151053/

>>58750123
Please, respond.

>>58752764
I use kde

>>58752846
OH FUCK!! REKT!!

>>58752764
I don't use GTK.

No idea dude! How is gentoo?

>be excited for plasma 5.9 improvements on wayland support
>non-functonal with qt 5.8
>https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-58423
>last comment by Martin Gräßlin

they are going to fix this in qt 5.8.1 right?

>>58752846

You can use GTK programs under any environment. Chances are you're using Firefox right now and it uses GTK.

>>58752562
Do I put in bashrc as well?

>>58752764
Alright anon, I'm gonna download this shit, and you better not be lying to me

>>58752944
>means
>means
>means

>>58752764
>>58753088
Too damn bright

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So, ah, anyone know what a good distro would be that'll run on an ancient netbook (intel graphics) and a modern AMD laptop (amd gfx) out-of-the-box?

I wanted to see if I could get aircrack-ng and reaver running on chromiumOS but it seems like a little much for me. I've got Chromebrew but I don't want to install crouton since it's basically just another OS inside the OS.

I used to use SliTaz for stuff like this but it seems to hang on my AMDbook while it runs fine on my netbook.

I don't want Kali since it has all sorts of stuff and all I need are those two packages.

I've downloaded Puppy-Tahr, Porteus, SliTaz, Raspbian-PIXEL, Slax, and TinyCore+.
SliTaz seems to hang on AMD, Slax boots but if I recall there was some issue that made me keep trying. I think PIXEL works on both but I was hoping for something more lightweight.

I'm about to try Porteus again because earlier I couldn't figure out USM and why there wasn't a simple install flag, but only a get flag, where I'd then have to open up /tmp and find the package and install it with USM's GUI instead of the CLI.

Yet to try Puppy or TinyCore, I'll probably do those next.

If none of these really work I've also got Parrot, but like I said, I wanted something more lightweight than that.

>>58753158
Oh, I forgot to mention, the build of chromiumOS I'm using boots on the netbook but also hangs on the AMDbook. (It's the latest 'special' build from Arnoldthebat)

Trying to change ownership of a file so that only sudo can read and write it (requiring a password like system files do but not being able to cat file it at all without the pw).

I changed ownership to 000 which works except using sudo on the file doesn't ask for a password. Any idea how I would do this?

>>58753307
Oh wait that's because I'd used the sudo pw just before. What's the general consensus on making sudo require the password each time?

>>58753307
If you're using sudo within the same terminal session then you stay elevated based on your config settings. It could be mear seconds to a minute depending on how you have it configured.

>>58753355
'sudo visudo'
Find line with "Defaults env_reset" and change it to "Defaults env_reset,timestamp_timeout=0"

>>58753355
sudo -k will kill you're sudo session while your testing.

you could try setting the dir for the file(s) in your secure path
I don't know if that's the easy way because I've never considered trying what you do.

>>58747511
mkdir /steam
mount partition to steam

>http://ss64.com/bash/syntax-pronounce.html
>Pronunciation guide for UNIX
>/ Slash stroke, virgule, solidus, slant, diagonal, over, slat, slak, across, compress, reduce, replicate, spare, divided-by, forward slash, shilling
When speaking directories out loud, do you also speak out each slash? E.g. "ee-tee-see, slash cron dot daily, slash --". And when do you use alternative names, like "shilling" or "stroke" for the slash?

>>58748540
Ubuntu Mate looks good and works everything else may be smaller but is pretty ugly

>>58753158
just use any netinstall and compile your shit yourself

Good Idea to start with LMDE 2.0 as a GNU/Linux newfag?

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>>58743904
so, her "freedom" derives from "dom"?

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>>58747511
>SWAP on SSD

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>>58753533
Gnewslashlynnogs

>>58753595
what's wrong with /swap on SSD?

>>58753595
>>>/t/roll.me/

>>58753603
it uses up your write/read cycles

if you don't have enough ram and system swaps a lot, your ssd will die fast

>>58753595
Swap stays at 0% usage until you actually run out of ram bud

>>58753603
It's ok if you have lots of RAM, because it would only be used in extreme cases, otherwise it uses a heckload of read/write cycles and make your SSD die really quick.

>>58753625
I doubt swap is going to write 1 PETABYTE of data.

Modern ssds arent fragile,they are built to last

>>58753633
I have 16GB of RAM and have /swap on SSD, did I fuck up? I just use this PC for internet and films

>>58753651
if you want to hibernate, swap is a must

>>58753651
There is nothing wrong with using swap on ssd

>>58753664
How does Windows hibernation work then? Does it "destroy" SSDs too (use lots of rw-cycles?)

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Hey /g/, what's the best lightweight and user-friendly distro for daily use?

>>58753709
debian
fedora
ubongo
arch
gentoo

whichever one you use first becomes the best through baby duck syndrome, and deep inside everything that has package manager is the same shit

>>58753698
Windows creates a hiber.sys file on C:/ drive, unless otherwise specified. It uses files on mounted drives instead of specialized partitions for virtual memory.

>>58753651
If that's the case, then I believe it's alright.
16GB with Linux is quite a lot.

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>>58753752

>>58753730
What if you ran out of space on mounted drive and try to hibernate? And there's no room for hiber.sys file to be created?

It just borks I guess

>>58753087
yes

>>58753777
Probably, but usually if an NTFS partition is ~90% full then doing anything on it is really painful, so you would notice before you would run out of space.

>>58753698
Windows creates a swap file on demand.
(You can create a swap file for linux manually.)
4Gib should be enough swap partition for suspend to disk even with 16G ram.

>>58753777
the file is always allocated, ie if you delete it you get 15GB of free space back

>>58753825
>4Gib should be enough swap partition for suspend to disk even with 16G ram.
Thats not how this works, thats not how any of this works

Fuck Linus.
Fuck GPL.
Lisp is love.

>>58753981
lol i replied

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>>58753849

Why are there no desktop threads anymore? What happened?

>>58752490
cute pink shadow mon

>>58754106
They were anime poster chat rooms and had nothing to do with technology.

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Here's a stinker for you my /fglt/ maybe you'll be able to help and link me some obscure shit I haven't noticed.


I'm on the market for a gtk2 and gtk3 theme with following characteristics:
>gtk3 version gtk 3.14
debian 8
>toned down color palette
i'm sick of the "fresh and bright" trend but at the same time i'm not particularly fond of dark as muh soul themes. Grey maybe?

I'm getting poor read/write performance,and the system is hard locking at random times upwards of a minute during write actions
No drives are showing smart issues,and all of them perform properly using hdparm.
What should i look in to next?

>>58754217
https://www.gnome-look.org/browse/cat/135/ord/latest/

>>58754226

dmesg|grep ata|tail -n 20

post the results

>>58754251
Buddy if you have nothing to say why open your mouth at all?

openDesktop.org websites were recently completely ruined and the advanced search was removed.
you no longer can search for specific keywords, content and gtk version.

>>58754261

[Sat Jan 28 16:05:46 2017] ata3: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
[Sat Jan 28 16:05:46 2017] ata2.00: ATA-8: WDC WD2500HHTZ-04N21V0, 04.06A00, max UDMA/133
[Sat Jan 28 16:05:46 2017] ata2.00: 488397168 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32), AA
[Sat Jan 28 16:05:46 2017] ata2.00: configured for UDMA/133
[Sat Jan 28 16:05:46 2017] ata1.00: supports DRM functions and may not be fully accessible
[Sat Jan 28 16:05:46 2017] ata3.00: ATA-8: WDC WD1500HLFS-01G6U1, 04.04V02, max UDMA/133
[Sat Jan 28 16:05:46 2017] ata3.00: 293046768 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32), AA
[Sat Jan 28 16:05:46 2017] ata1.00: disabling queued TRIM support
[Sat Jan 28 16:05:46 2017] ata1.00: ATA-9: Samsung SSD 850 PRO 256GB, EXM02B6Q, max UDMA/133
[Sat Jan 28 16:05:46 2017] ata1.00: 500118192 sectors, multi 1: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32), AA
[Sat Jan 28 16:05:46 2017] ata1.00: supports DRM functions and may not be fully accessible
[Sat Jan 28 16:05:46 2017] ata3.00: configured for UDMA/133
[Sat Jan 28 16:05:46 2017] ata1.00: disabling queued TRIM support
[Sat Jan 28 16:05:46 2017] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133
[Sat Jan 28 16:05:55 2017] EXT4-fs (dm-1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
[Sat Jan 28 16:05:55 2017] systemd[1]: Listening on LVM2 metadata daemon socket.
[Sat Jan 28 16:07:40 2017] EXT4-fs (dm-4): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: commit=60
[Sat Jan 28 16:07:50 2017] snd_hda_codec_hdmi hdaudioC1D1: HDMI: invalid ELD data byte 19
[Sat Jan 28 16:12:14 2017] EXT4-fs (sdc1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: commit=60
[Mon Jan 30 00:38:03 2017] NVRM: Xid (PCI:0000:04:00): 69, Class Error: ChId 000e, Class 00009039, Offset 00000300, Data 00100030, ErrorCode 0000000c

>>58754273
*search*
*search*
Find theme you like
Check version
A.Download
B.Move on


We all did it

>>58754283
hard disks seem to be fine.

however, is there any reason why you didn't mount your ssd partition with the "discard" option?

>>58754320
No need to, fstrim is set to run once a week

>Install Mint on laptop
>Closing the laptop doesn't make OS go to sleep
>Opening the laptop lid leaves me with a black screen
>Need to restart every time

Is this an inherent problem with running Linux on laptops

>>58754597
>Is this an inherent problem with running Linux on laptops
Is this an inherent problem with running Linux on laptops at the hand of incompetent users.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Hibernation

>>58754597
does your laptop have switching gpus?

>>58754597
hibernation or suspend?
anyway yes it's somewhat common, but sometimes it's due a firmware bug.

>>58754624
well it used to work on my old laptop
>>58754635
yes

What does fglt do to stop websites from profiling them? I*ve started to use VMs in VMs and VPNs.

>>58754769
>used to work
>on different hardware
>used
>used

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>>58743904
Hello /fglt/
Can you help me pick a distro?
>Platform
Thinkpad X201s w/ SSD
>Requirements
GUI, unobtrusive
Fast boot-up
Edit text, view text in another window, look perhaps at an image in third window
Low energy consumption
>I don't even want internet access

Should I unironically pick gentoo?
I had a bit of experience with Mint. It was ok, but it had more programs than I need.

>>58754769
>yes
then it's inherent problem of laptop with switching gpus.

enjoy your purchase

>>58754790
Any

>>58754790
read the OP

>>58754828
That's not very helpful. Is there a Mint without bloat?
>>58754829
I did. I'm still unsure.
Puppy Linux sounds fast, but it's not meant to be installed, is it?

>>58754865
It is very helpful.Look in to the disto you are interested in and see how it works.LITERALLY ANY distro suites your needs
You need to put your big boy shoes on and do a little digging your self.

>>58754865
you can install it.

it's actually pretty fun distro.
I even tried to switch to it but encountered some hardware-related problems with it.

>>58754816
wut? I have a dedicated nvidia card and don't have any problem

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>>58754783
>>58754816
thank you for giving me the answer

>>58754886
try saying that again but in english friend

>>58754878
>LITERALLY ANY distro suites your needs
Out of all the distros there are, there must be those which have the fastest boot-up, the most unobtrusive GUI and the lowest energy consumption, the least bloat. If you can't answer the question or give an honest recommendation, that's o.k., too.

>>58754881
Ok, thank you.

>>58754904
"oi m8! i grabba yue bi the gobba, me fuking sistum is fuking fuked!"

English enough?

Why does this no longer work?
Errors out with:
"Unable to find a suitable output format"

#!/bin/sh
for file in *mkv
do
    ffmpeg -i "$file" -c:a copy -vf "subtitles=$file"  "$file-converted"
done

>>58754904
what you don't understand about that post?

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So why the fuck is my boot time so long? I can just log in and go on Arch, but on Manjaro on my desktop it's fucking slow as fuck.

I enter in my username and password, and it takes like 15 seconds before it lets me startx.

~ systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 1.781s (kernel) + 13.219s (userspace) = 15.000s

The first time I try to log in, it takes a fuckload of time but if I logout and log back in, it's instantaneous. I'm not sure why it's doing that.

https://hastebin.com/nofewaqoga.sql is the output of the blame command. Is there something I'm missing?

>>58755042
>

"$file-converted"

use

"$file-converted.mkv"

since '.mkv-converted' is not a container ffmpeg knows

>>58755096
Still throwing the same error

>>58755093
>1min 13.844s [email protected]
this doesn't looks good

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>>58755150

>>58755150
Any idea what it is? If it has something to do with logon procedure, maybe that explains why it takes an hour to just fucking log in

>>58755167
What's going on here

>>58755129
before that, whats up with this part "subtitles=$file"?

#!/bin/sh
for file in *.mkv ;do 
  subfile="${file[@]/%mkv/ass}"
   ffmpeg -i "$file" -c:a copy -vf "subtitles=$subfile"  "$file-converted"

>>58755042
that used to work?

>>58755221
The subtitles are soft encoded in to the file, i need to hardsub them, its telling ffmpeg to look in to the input file for subtitles.

>>58755233
Yes, i havent used it in quite a few months

>>58755248
try -f mkv to specify the format, so ffmpeg doesn't have to guess it

>>58755248
output of

journalctl --disk-usage

?

>>58755303
Archived and active journals take up 16.0M in the file system.

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Good memes desu, would recommend

>>58755404
>another gentoo user, wasting her life with compiling
why

>>58755440
>there are people who believe anything they see online
sad

>>58755404
>to 00.30

finnish?

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>>58755492

>>58746647
I think you misunderstood, ntfs-3g is a tool on Linux that lets you view and edit files in NTFS partitions just fine and it's included with most distros.

>>58746430
What packages aren't showing up in software?

>>58755616
GNU/Linux*

>>58747439
I use firewalld, it's enabled by default on all my fedora systems anyway and the command line is simple and it has a gui tool.

>>58755660
GNU+Linux*

>>58755660
>>58755680
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

>>58755680
GNU (with Linux added)

>>58753651
You're fine. I have 16gb of RAM and swap on ssd and I don't think I've ever actually used any swap.

>>58755660
>>58755680
>>58755691
Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

>>58755696
GNU (with GNU/Linux* added)

>>58747511
Common practice is to mount other drives under the /media directory so you could make a directory named Steam there and mount the drive on /media/Steam but you can mount drives to any empty folder.

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>>58755691
No, Richard, it's 'Legs', not 'Chair/Legs'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Legs were the creation of the GPL and the GCC cushion. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Sitting Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

>>58755707
>>58755696
>>58755680
>>58755660
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as GNU/Linux is in fact GNU. Linux is not part of the operating system itself, but is the kernel that is not covered by the naming system of an operating system as defined by common sense.

Many users run operating systems such as Windows, OSX, and a variant of BSD yet do not use a cumbersome naming system that includes the kernel, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, GNU has been the exception to this for no reason and has just been called "Linux" for no good reason, and many others use the insane, cumbersome term "GNU/Linux", mostly because the GNU project doesn't want you to think that Linux is a part of GNU.

There really is a Linux, and it's not part of GNU, but it's a kernel, and no one really specifies using it. GNU is the OS; the actual base system you interact with, and is useful with any compatible kernel; it can function with many different kernels such as GNU Hurd or even kFreeBSD, so the whole system should only specify the kernel when it matters, because all these kernels are really irrelevant regarding GNU.

>>58755691
>By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer.

Well that's not the definition common definition of an OS.

>>58755819
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system

So plasma 5.9 on Neon user when?

an operating system is literally a system that is operational, ready to be used
a kernel alone is not

I was thinking of buying a macbook and ricing it with window managers and all sorts of shit. But now I'm thinking that it kind of defeats the purpose of spending so much money when I can achieve the same thing with GNU/Linux. Should I just use my current desktop PC or buy a new laptop? I built it in 2014. I kind of want the portability but it seems like it might be a waste of money overall considering I'm a neet who never leaves his room.

Do you use a laptop or a desktop PC? Are laptops all they're cracked up to be?

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>>58755765
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re GNUing to as GNU, is in fact, GNU/GNU, or as GNU's recently taken to GNUing it, GNU plus GNU. GNU is not an GNU GNUstem unto itGNU, but rather another GNUree GNU of a fully GNUing GNU GNUstem made GNUful by the GNU GNUlibs, GNU GNUtilties and vital GNU GNUponents GNUing a full GNU OS as GNUed by GNU. Many GNU GNUers run a GNUified GNUrsion of the GNU GNUstem every GNU, without GNUing it. Through a GNUuliar turn of GNU, the GNUrsion of GNU which is GNUly used today is often called “GNU”, and many of its GNUers are not GNU that it is GNUically the GNU GNUstem, GNUed by the GNU ProjGNU. There really is a GNU, and these GNUple are GNUing it, but it is GNU a GNU of the GNUstem they use. GNU is the GNU: the GNU in the GNUstem that GNUs the GNU’s GNU to the other GNU that you GNU. The GNU is a GNUtial GNU of an GNU GNUstem, but GNUless by itGNU; GNU can only GNUtion in the GNUtext of a GNUplete GNU GNUstem. GNU is GNUmally used in combiGNUtion with the GNU GNU GNUstem: the whole GNUstem is GNUsically GNU with GNU added, or GNU/GNU. All the so-called “GNU” distribGNUtions are really distribGNUtions of GNU/GNU.

Which one of you fuckers did this >>>/wg/6840193?

>>58755861
>an operating system is literally a system that is operational
what about Windows

>>58755705
>>58755691
Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services ?

That sounds preposterous to me.

If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without a windows. This clearly is not happening, so there must be some error in your calculations. I hope you realise that windows is more than just Office ? Its a whole system that runs the computer from start to finish, and that is a very difficult thing to acheive. A lot of people dont realise this.

Microsoft just spent $9 billion and many years to create Vista, so it does not sound reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence overnight like that. It would take billions of dollars and a massive effort to achieve. IBM tried, and spent a huge amount of money developing OS/2 but could never keep up with Windows. Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft.

Its just not possible that a freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer from start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible.

I think you need to re-examine your assumptions.

>>58755884
>for people who don't use the silly graphical file managers
this is the work of some autist for sure

>>58755953
>graphical file managers
people actually use those?

>>58755953
cli is simply more efficient
gui programs are for normies just passing by

>>58755977
Well, ther are situations where GUI can be more efficient than using CLI, Wireshark is a good example, GIMP another.

>>58755993
>Wireshark
reminds me of a question: i heard that running wireshark as root isn't a good idea and i should use a group instead, can anyone explain why?

>>58755993
GUIs are useful for dealing with data that can't adequately be represented as text, but it turns out that most things can be represented as text.

>>58756015
Running any graphical X program as root is a hilariously bad security hole. If you have a web browser running you may as well be running unpatched Windows 98 or Windows XP RTM for all the security you have. Wireshark is an X application, therefore don't run it as root.

>>58756037
>>58756015
I thought you need root to manage networking stuff? How will you run it, if not with superuser privs?

Whats the reason behind setting a variable like this in bash?
VAR="${VAR:-60}"

>>58756105
what does that do?

>>58756086
Linux has this awesome ability called "capabilities" that basically acts as partial setuid. With the right "setcap" call on the Wireshark binary, you can grant access to a certain group to the exact subset of root capabilities you need, so you can run the application without opening yourself up to a full automatic root exploit if there's a bug in the program, or giving other X programs root access. Debian has a good walkthrough for this for Wireshark on their wiki.

>>58756086
>>58756015

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/wireshark#Capturing_as_normal_user
tl;dr you create a group with limited privileges

>>58756105
is it a recursive variable?

>>58756105
If VAR has not been set or is empty you set its value to 60. If it's not, you set it to $VAR. Just shorthand for

[ ! "$VAR" ] && VAR=60

although it does set VAR again to the exact same value.

>>58756037
>>58756125
i see, thank you very much

>>58756124
>>58756138
>>58756156
Thanks!

>>58756105
Protip: another thing you can do is ${var:?}, which throws an error whent the variable is empty. Useful for situations like:

rm -rf "$STEAMROOT/"*

which will cause:

 rm -rf /*

and delete your home directory if STEAMROOT is empty[1].

With :? you get:

$ rm -rf "${var:?}"
bash: var: parameter null or not set

1 https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671

>>58756247
for all expansions:

man bash | less -p 'Parameter Expansion'

>>58756247
fucking morons, I remember nearly having an heart attack when I found out that code was in my system. Now (but not only for this reason) I run steam from a separate unprivileged user.

>>58756247
All bash scripts should start with:

set -euo pipefail

-e exits immediately on errors
-u treats unset variables and parameters as error
-o pipefail makes pipelines exit with an error when something inside it throws an error (by default the exit status of the pipeline is the exit of the last command)

use set -euo pipefail and force yourself to write proper code

>>58756550
Stop shell scripting, start programming in C.

Why is KDE so great

>>58756556
(You)
>>58756564
(You)

somehow this thread got some quality back
wtf happened? how to keep it?

How is Ubuntu?

>>58743904
Is there any easy way to switch language in Linux like on Windows?

>>58756857
locale

File: 0a5194ed699d950c281e80fa887fb3de.gif (46KB, 384x288px) Image search: [Google]

46KB, 384x288px

Any recommendations for backup software that supports encrypted backups to amazon drive?

rclone would've been perfect if it supported history like rsnapshot.
rsnapshot would've been perfect if it supported third party backends like rclone.

>>58743904
I'm doing an English course at college and get to write about "an element of society that is of global significance"

I'm thinking about doing the essay on UNIX and C, pertaining to the history, engineering and resulting change in economics.. Any other topics that would be well suited?

>>58756841
With Unity and propeitory drivers, it's excellent

>>58756963
Doing social media would be alot easier, and your essay wouldnt be boring as fuck to read

>>58756963
>>58757016
This. Your essay on UNIX and C would be boring as fuck.

just found this site, how do I use it?
judging on the content, it must be made by some of you faggots
https://stallman-copypasta.github.io/

I'd just like to interject for a moment:
New thread: >>58757053

>>58757069
I'd just like to suck your dick for a moment :^)

why is it called UTF-8 if the encoding use only 4 bits?

>>58757366
4 bytes*

>>58757016
>>58757035
I kind of got that feeling when my teacher couldn't realise that her browser lagging wasn't caused by "the internet being overloaded"

What about just "the internet"? Normalfags love that.

>>58757580

That could work for the type of course, honestly. Keeping it general, and in terms that normies can understand is good.