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/wt/ watch thread

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This thread is about the appreciation of watches, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that are required to make a fine watch.

>Required viewing for newbies:
https://youtu.be/508-rmdY4jQ

>Strap guide:
http://pastebin.com/SwRysprE

Previous thread:
>>58693758
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>>58722091
Excessively excessive
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>>58722636
That's the pinnacle of watchmaking right there, even if you don't like it anyway.
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Should I finally pull the trigger for 60€ shipped? Or not worth it at all?
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If you have a picture of your watch being worn from a straight on angle, please feel free to post it along with your wrist size, diameter of the watch and lug-to-lug of the watch. Because it comes up so frequently I'll try and compile a small collection of images of wrist-size and lug-to-lug length combinations that can be used for reference, rather than simply telling people that they should be looking at smaller watches.

If you're not sure how to measure your wrist, you can take a flexible tape measure, or just use a piece of string and wrap it around your wrist, then measure the length of the string required to circle your wrist.

Wrist size should be in inches, lug-to-lug and diameter should be in mm.

Thanks.
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>>58722924
Example image of a straight on photo with measurements recorded.

At some point in the future you can expect a basic reference for watch sizing.
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>>58722924
>Inches

That ""unit"" should be erased from existence and people even mentioning it should be physically punished desu.
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>>58723124
Yea, 10 sounds like a good number when you're measuring your dick in centimeters
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>>58723124
Butthurt desu.
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>>58722898
Nice shape not a fan of the two tone bracelet
Is the calendar perpetual?
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>this is now a AL&S thread
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>>58723609
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What do the different penises mean on king quartz seikos?
How does it affect them?
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Considering investing in a diver but I'm a fuckin wristlet. Any recommendations?
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What are some good quality watch boxes to buy?

I'm looking for a lightweight one that can house 6-8 watches. What watch box do you use?
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Looking for a new piece,
>Canada
>under $500 budget
>field watch or pilot
>hacking
>handwinding
>mineral or sapphire crystal
>robust and durable
Want an upgrade to my pic Related.
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>>58723838
Don't fucking invest in watches 99% will depreciate
A small diver could be the skx013
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>>58723904
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>>58723904
hamilton khaki
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>>58724141
Was thinking about this.
I really like the Hamilton Khaki Field Mechanical. Any thoughts?
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>>58723904
>Upgrade
So another chronograph? Good mechanical chronographs under $500 are almost impossible to find, even used. I recently sold my 14 year old Fortis Flieger Chronograph for just under $600. Your best bet is vintage from a defunct brand like >>58724050
Even so, I doubt you'll be able to find one with all original parts, good cosmetic and mechanical condition, and keeping decent time for under $500
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>>58724050
this, but it's 5x anon's budget
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>>58723722
Twin penis is twin quartz
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hey do any of you guys own a demagnetizer?
or, can you recommend one?
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>>58722768
Exceeding also the Henry Graves Supercomplication??
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>>58722924
Gentle reminder ninefag is a retard impeding positive discussion with flawed ideas.
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where can i buy some high tier replicas?
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>>58725275
kys. that's where
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>>58724050
>>58724405
OK, so what about non chronograph?
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>>58725275
bump
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Does anyone know if it will be difficult switching an 8215 to a NH35A/4R36?
I believe have sizes on the 82** series are 100/150/17
I think the 4R is 100/147?/20

I could be wrong. If anyone has done this, please let me know if it is possible. I know there is some flexibility in hand sizes.
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>>58725190
Reminder you got btfo
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>>5872527
check replica watch forums and read up
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[muffled hardbass]
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>technology board
>no one collects quartz watches

Can someone explain this? Mechanical watches just remind me of womens purses, in that you're paying for the brand name instead of quality.
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>>58726982
Plenty of us have quartz watches, pay more attention
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>>58726982
>instead of quality
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>>58727007

You should tip your fedora while you say that. Mechanical watches will always be inferior in quality compared to quartz.
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>>58727089
Since you are so big on quartz movements, you must have some really nice thermocompensated quartz watches with some actual horological value don't you?

Since you care about quality and all.
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>>58722550
What website for great savings on respectable watches?
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>>58726982

Quartz watches are difficult to repair. But I agree, some watch fans go overboard with their hatred of quartz.
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>>58727444
Yes, there are plenty of good quartz watches out there, needless to say, like much of citizens technology, and hybrids like the GS. There are also alternatives like the Bulova Tuning fork and Precisionist line. But as anon said, these are in the collections of many here regardless, including me.
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>>58727433
Jomashop
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Better than a 2000 dollar watch.
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>>58723473
What does that mean
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>>58727897
Does it know that February has 28 days, and 29 days once every four years? Or does it just do 31 days every month.
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>>58722924
OK think it's a silly project but here you go. All images taken with Galaxy S7 at default/auto settings. Front-on from 7.5in and from 14in. Side-on pictures are in the order of the two pictures showing the collection. Wrist 6.25" around, 2.25" wide at widest point.
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Accurist Celestial 43.68x50.52x9.56
B&M 41.81x48.75x9.73
Bulova 34.68x40.03x12.83
L&H 42.07x48.51x15.73
Swatch 33.55x37.98x4.18
Bruno Sohnle 40.60x47.65x10.07
Seiko 5 37.14x42.64x10.67
Election vintage sub-second 35.61x43.45x10.20
Carnival 39.97x48.62x15.17 (with nato)
Orient Disk 41.29x47.44x11.64
Seiko 5S21 35.44x39.26x6.21
Aevig Huldra 41.42x46.05x12.54
Women's quartz 25.11x30.51x7.38
Longines 35.52x42.70x10.41
GS 40.18x48.51x12.77
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>Checked how accurate my Explorer ii is after having it back for 2 days since the service on it.
>Off by only 1 second

FUG :DDDD
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Besides Ebay what are some legit sites to buy J model Seiko?

Specifically looking into getting a J model Turtle.
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>>58728997
There isn't any difference, why do you want a J model?
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>>58728997
>Turtle.
are you talking about a real turtle or the new SRP777?
if you're talking about the new one stop calling it Turtle. it's not

>legit sites
i got mine from amazon, but it was just by chance. i didn't give a shit because there has been an ongoing shitstorm of K vs. J and nobody has come up with any type of evidence that one is better.
ones marked Japan are for the jap domestic market
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>>58729010
I need one to go with my katana.
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What's the best sub $1000 hand winder? I know it seems like a big variety but i don't see a lot of hand winders get attention other than the 1963.
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>>58728997
creation watches I believe
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>>58723609
>>58723674
>>58724668
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>>58729160
>if you're talking about the new one stop calling it Turtle. it's not
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Evening
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>>58729414

>Keeping your watch on while defecating

You're quite the disgusting savage.
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hey lawyerfag are you around and do you own an Accutron Spaceview?
i really want one, but i also wanted to hear some comments from owners
i see this as a bit of a novelty that i'd actually like to wear and put into rotation
any other owners please comment

also: what price should i expect to pay?

thinking about pic related from 1967
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>>58729504
600 eDollars
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>>58729504
>what price should i expect to pay?

Around $300, give or take.
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>>58729578
>>58729606
the one in that pic is around $350 on ebay right now
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>>58729504
>>58728852 here, it's really good. 300 sounds about right. Be careful with ones that have a chapter ring if you care about authenticity, since a lot of chapter rings are frankens.
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>>58729504
Also keep in mind you should research places to get it serviced if it should need it.

Be sure to avoid mybob. That nigga doesn't have 25 years experience servicing any watch, let alone that much in just accutrons. He only managed to scratch up my kreisler coffin links and make my spaceview so inaccurate that it was gaining 6 seconds per minute.

There's watchmakeranon, who fixed mine, but I've no idea how busy he is/isn't. There's also Larry at palmer's jewelry in Indiana. He was the former service manager at bulova when they still serviced the 214 movements. Expect to pay around $300 for a service there.
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>>58730239

Why would you send the bracelet?
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>>58730299
To get it resized. Apparently to him resizing means "scratch the shit out of".
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>itt men who *need* an effeminate accessory
>sweet, nice, sexy mens
>who need an effeminate accessory

Haay. Am I right in assuming that *most* male watch wearers are gay homosexuals and/or bisexualities?

Good day to all, and keep collecting!
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>>58730639
>asserts that fags are effeminate
You obviously haven't been on /fit/
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>>58730639
>when he is so poor he has to try this
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>>58729578
>>58729606
>>58729805
>>58730239
thanks

>>58728852
looks sweet m8
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Whats the deal with richard mille?
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>>58730867
Proof that money doesn't buy taste. See also: Panera, Tag Huehue, DeWitt, etc.
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>>58730886
uwu
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>>58730897
That one is an exception. Most of the DeWitts I've seen are either huge, gaudy, or both.
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>>58730904
>Strictly a limited & Numbered edition of 33 pieces world-wide.
The watch made it debut as the "Incognito" when DeWitt offered the watch for auction at a Charity event. The offer was for a watch in concept only without being presented & without the buyer knowing what he was buying. The wining bid was for 400,000 Euros.

Master troll
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>>58730998
Just imagine the face of disappointment, wew.
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>>58730897
post digital watches
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>>58731118
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>>58731135
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>>58731165
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>>58729414
Hey
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>>58731118
How about jumping hour/retrograde minutes?
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In case lawyeranon is around, what was the name of the jumping hour watch where the hour actually followed the minute hand around the dial? Can't for the life of me remember.
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>>58731335
Are you talking about a wandering hour complication? Urwerk, Arnold & Son, plenty of others have it.
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>>58731374
If I recall correctly there was an aperture that went around the dial with the minutes. It wasn't urwerk or arnold & son, at least.
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>>58731335
I think you're talking about the Analogica.

I talked about a lot of wandering hour watches in this thread.

https://warosu.org/g/thread/54609618
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>>58731399
d'oh

wrong thread

https://warosu.org/g/thread/S54060383
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>>58731399
Yep, that's the one, thanks m8.
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Anyone else /casioclub/ here?

Scratched it the other day, need to buff that out.
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>>58731560
Yeah
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>>58729504
S'up?
Yes, I own a Spaceview, cushion case, integrated bracelet, perfect condition, and it's a truly joy to wear.

First of all, it's not a novelty watch at all. It may look like this in pics and to someone only acustomed to solid dials, but the Spaceview lacks that cheap, funny, and even corny feeling most novelties have.

When you strap a Spaceview on your wrist it truly feels like the watch means business. The smoothness of the second hand going around the indexes is so sober and elegant it makes you wonder how did they ever dare to put it on anything other than a clean, simple dial. -It worked, though- And the humming is just a sweet deal closer.

Funny story: apparently, in the begining Accutron delivered their watches with no dial only to help the sellers show their customers how their promoted watches worked, they weren't even for sale. However, after the success and the unexpected demand, Accutron actually decided to send "conversion kits" to their representatives so they could give the watch this new technny look while the company prepared to launch their production pieces.

Today, some of this has been wrongly confused with modern made frankens, but this very few first are actually quite valuable.

That being said, it doesn't mean there aren't lots of other -badly- restored and modern frankens romming around, so please be careful, specially with chapter ring models, as some other anon already pointed out.

Price? That solely depends on the condition but I'm sure less than 500 can get you a pretty decent wristbuddy to show off.

Couple more suggestions:
1.don't buy any that has a cracked crystal, because Accutron used to brand the plexi, almost never the plastic plate and it is really hard to properly replace. It's the same deal with the painted indexes.

2. try to buy one that doesn't show tarnish or rust on the two coils on top, as it is the weak spot in the movement and a decaying one will hurt how accurate it behaves.

>>58731118
>kinda?
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>>58730639
yeah I'm bi
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>>58731622
Where the fuck did my name went?
>fucking phone

>>58731257
My nigga

>>58731335
As NoBalls already explained, I think you're referring to Vincent Calabrase's Analogica. I remember Cartier toyed with the concept too.
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>>58729414
couldn't digest it huh?
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>>58729160
>stop calling it Turtle. It's not.
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>>58729160
The old model isn't called turtle either you fucking turboautist
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>>58730867
They do some amazing things with new materials and lightweight watches.
But they all look like absolute trash.
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Morning, /g/. Today is turtle day
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>>58731682
What kind of strap would you put on a 62gs seiko? I'm bidding on a NOS piece right now, but if I'm interpreting the translation properly then there's no strap included.
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>>58722550
I got a Seiko 5, it's really nice.

Is it true that you shouldn't take a shower with it?
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>>58731622
people should also keep in mind that the bulova accutrons have pretty large positional variances. so keep track of in what position you put it on your nightstand.
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>>58732211
depends on the 5. In general they're not shower-proof, only the diver-styled 5 sports are.
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>>58732147
Nice.
There's no substitute for a good black leather.

>>58732211
Does it say water resist on the dial? If not, avoid.
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>>58732147
any custom camille fournet you desire.
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>>58725275
Interested as well
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>>58725275
>>58732570
go ask about where to buy fakes somewhere else
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>>58727674
Trouble is, there are few with any good complications without being utterly hideous.
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>>58732570
kys as well
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>>58729442
He could at least have used a chronometer on the occasion.
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>>58722946
>At some point in the future you can expect a basic reference for watch sizing.
Are watchfags so autistic now they can't even go to a fucking brick and mortar store?
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>>58732651
People go to stores and buy watches that don't fit them all the time.
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>>58728997
Maybe Seiyajapan
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>>58732672
So maybe all they need is to be shown a bunch of pictures of properly sized watches to have a proper idea?
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>>58732076
Sexy
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>>58726982
1. Why would anyone collect quartz watches? A single one is enough, it's perfectly accurate and can last a lifetime.
2. Quartz movement is cheap, and as such, it's hard to justify good designs, materials, and finish costing >$300 when the movement inside is $10 at best. So there aren't too many great quartz watches that are worth their price. Plus those putting the most money into watches are watchfags, and watchfags like mechanicals, and every company knows that well. The majority of beautiful, original, interesting and well finished watches are mechanicals, and if you want a beautiful, original, interesting and well finished watch, odds are it'll be a mechanical. I prefer quartz myself for many very obvious reasons, but I also want nice watches, so I ended up with mechanicals.
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>>58729414
Jesus Christ dood. Do some squats. You're disgusting
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>>58732756
>Why would anyone collect quartz watches?
Why would anyone collect mechanical watches?

also there's nice quartz movements that arent cheap
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>>58722550
How does /wt/ feel about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSSC9e_RO6Y
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Why are these things so expensive? Explain to me. Why.

Not even the high brand watches but even Seiko. No way watches should cost as much as PCs, which are actual marvels of technology.
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>>58733094
>Why are these things so expensive?
Because the market is willing to pay. Or at least it *was* willing.

Things are achanging, especially as China clamped down hard on corruption and excessive "gifts", as in mass executions. That tends to cool the interest for "gifts" that often were watches.

Also MEMS is about to sink the market much in the same way as the Quartz Crisis the Japanese companies served up to the Swiss industry.
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>>58733161
What's MEMS? Btw, were Swiss watches this expensive pre-quartz era?
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>>58733187
MEMS: Micor Emelctro Mechanical Systems. Basically you use silicon (Si) and traditional semiconductor prosesses such as masking and dry etching to make mechanical parts. Pic. related.

Interestingly Oechslin, a Physicist first and tehn a horologist, has used such technologies in his watches. much of the rest of the industry is too tied up in filing brass wheels.

With MEMS you do not need balancing since the parts are made with nanometre precision.

Parts will be much, much smaller and you can add more complications.
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>>58732865
>Why would anyone collect mechanical watches?

Because there's a wide variety of well-finished, great designs, which is seldom seen in quartz.

No matter how you approach the issue, it doesn't quite make sense: if you want a nice watch, you'll surely stumble upon the wide variety of well-finished mechanicals, and when you suddenly consider the reliability of quartz, suddenly you wonder why you would pay >$2,000 for that snowflake quality quartz when a $10 Casio does the same thing.

Expensive quartz is in a very difficult and delicate position, challenged by cheap quartz from one end, quality mechanicals on the other, and sitting on an odd spot of the scale of diminishing returns. It's so hard to justify from a marketing approach that most don't try, and available quality quartz is a rip off.

Snobs aside, no one really is into mechanicals. It's just that there's little choice if you want a nice watch.
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>>58733250
Ah, yes. I've read about this. 70 day power reserve. I can't remember if they're as accurate as a quartz.
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>>58733250
It won't do shit. Watchfags will say it doesn't count as real watchmaking and that will be that.
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>>58733161
>Also MEMS is about to sink the market much in the same way as the Quartz Crisis the Japanese companies served up to the Swiss industry.

Well there's a number of things to consider first:
- that tech is expensive as fuck, don't expect cheap quartz prices
- the assembly needs to be done by expensive machinery in a cleanroom, because the slightest particle can break it
- the movement is impossible to service
- if the movement is design to be replaced, there needs to be some standard in place, which no one will ever agree on, making it a replacement parts hell
- the movement still needs to drive a human-sized watch, which means a junction between the tiny internals and the externals, which must not let dust get into it, unless the entire watch is assembled in a cleanroom and can't be open under any reason

It will be reserved for meme expensive watch for at least a decade and won't be affordable in forever.
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Anybody have that watch guide?
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>>58733322
How power efficient is it? I don't know if Seiko's Spring Drive is more power efficient than a normal escapement.

I know a MEMS watch that has a 70 day reserve. Don't think there's a similar Grand Seiko.
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>>58733030
>WAAAAAHHH IT HAS CHINA ON IT

lol even swiss companies WIS wank on are still have china parts

these people buy into chinese = inferior western media propaganda garbage proliferates
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>>58733359
You mean the genequand escapement?

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/the-senfine-concept-watch-from-parmigiani-fleurier-with-an-amazing-escapement-that-allows-a-70-day-p

Speaking of new escapements, I'd like to see what Greubel Forsey has up their sleeves:

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/greubel-forsey-announces-mechanical-nano-project-with-180-day-movement-in-less-space-than-in-a-conve-2
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>>58733359
Spring drive isn't really any more efficient than a conventional escapement.
The 8 day PR watch has 3 big mainsprings.
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>>58733276
>Watchfags will say it doesn't count as real watchmaking
I don't care. I just want a reliable mechanical watch with certain complications. People said similar things when digital art became a thing. Reality was and is, that new tech is enabling for pure imagination with less restrictions from old tech. MEMS will make it possible to design the face of a watch much more freely within a reasonable form factor as opposed to the Spacewalk wrist chimney.

>>58733322
>Well there's a number of things to consider first:
This could be a start of an interesting discussion.
>- that tech is expensive as fuck
MEMS is the heart of collision detectors, cell phone gyroscopes, microphones, light switches and more. It is established tech, outside watchmaking.

>- the assembly needs to be done by expensive machinery in a cleanroom, because the slightest particle can break it
True. And with large production volumes (say, ebauches) this is no problem. A similar case was made against flip chip fabrication but again Japanese watch makers overcame this with volume and experience.

>- the movement is impossible to service
Perhaps. Still not a problem. ETA movements are relatively cheap compared to the finished watch. Also MEMS need no lubrication so the need for service will decrease dramatically.

>- if the movement is design to be replaced, there needs to be some standard in place, which no one will ever agree on, making it a replacement parts hell
Sure. That is also like ETA movements. And Dubois add-ons. Basically you can make an industry out of this.

>- the movement still needs to drive a human-sized watch, which means a junction between the tiny internals and the externals, which must not let dust get into it, unless the entire watch is assembled in a cleanroom and can't be open under any reason
Wrong, yo can disassemble in clean benches.

>It will be reserved for meme expensive watch for at least a decade and won't be affordable in forever.
No.
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>>58733509
This was the last poorfag guide I saw
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>>58733359
>I know a MEMS watch that has a 70 day reserve.
That would be the Senfine Concept Watch From Parmigiani Fleurier. The Grasshopper escapement is implemented in MEMS-like technology. Strictly speaking no MEMS since it is not electric in any way.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/the-senfine-concept-watch-from-parmigiani-fleurier-with-an-amazing-escapement-that-allows-a-70-day-p
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Are Omega overpriced pieces of shit that you could get better for 10x less the price?
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>>58733636
No.
You could get better for the same price though. But in the end they're good watches.
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>>58733658
What does an Omega offer that a Seiko doesn't?
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>>58733695
Bond branding
a bit more Swiss
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>>58733772
So paying an additional 1500$ for brand.
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>>58733538
this is pretty dated

any more recs?
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>>58733488
>MEMS is the heart of collision detectors, cell phone gyroscopes, microphones, light switches and more. It is established tech, outside watchmaking.
I know that, I work on accelerometers, and previously on EnOcean wireless switches. But all those things produce very basic structures, mostly beams and hairs. Gears and wheels are a whole other story that has been heralded since I started in 2006, and still isn't that much established, and their assembly even less.

>True. And with large production volumes (say, ebauches) this is no problem. A similar case was made against flip chip fabrication but again Japanese watch makers overcame this with volume and experience.
That's a whole other level. The closest thing we have to this kind of volume are companies like samsung, Qualcomm, Texas Instruments, ST Hynix, Infineon or Motorola. And only because their actual production costs are lowered by a huge variety of chips made for plenty different applications, and because the production processes remain quite repetitive and simple, easy to duplicate and iterate. They are also the companies with the experience, I'm not seeing even the Swatch Group suddenly make its own cleanroom and make MEMS watches, though they are on the path to it with Sistem 51 and Powermatic movments, but even then they aren't anywhere near MEMS tech.

>Perhaps. Still not a problem. ETA movements are relatively cheap compared to the finished watch. Also MEMS need no lubrication so the need for service will decrease dramatically.
MEMS isn't magic, it needs lubrication, it ages, and it can break. Even now the accelerometer in your smartphone may have half of its hairs broken, but it still works because it has dozens. Making a MEMS watch would require a lot of redundancy to make it reliable.
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>>58733789
What models are you comparing?
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>>58733827
No
What kind of watch are you looking for and what's your budget?
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>>58731236
under rated post
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>>58733488
>Sure. That is also like ETA movements. And Dubois add-ons. Basically you can make an industry out of this.
Yet there isn't only ETA out there. If all movements were interchangeable, the whole thing would be more affordable. But it won't be, so it'll be expensive as fuck. And without standards, no shared costs, no hope of high volumes of production. So it remains it'll be an expensive product that will replace neither mechanics nor quartz.

>Wrong, yo can disassemble in clean benches.
I think you don't get it: the MEMS part of the movement would in fact be like a watch inside of the watch, that is a closed, waterproof, and dustproof container. How do you get the little rotating pin out of there providing energy? Well there needs an axis coming out of it, like the crown of a watch, and that assembly must be as tight as possible so the air inside of the watch can't reach the MEMS assembly, and in turn, the watch must be perfectly water/dustproof. Which is precisely the reason why MEMS is mostly hairs and beams used as electrical sensors and completely enclosed in resin, and not wheels and gears which have to be opened to the outside world, full of dust, debris and fucking acaria.

>No.
Well no.
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>>58731560
I'm gonna get a 5600 and call it quits after that
I have way too many Casios
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>>58729805

Is that one of those stupid "perfect" tungsten cubes?
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>>58734097
200 bucks
40mm or less
dive style
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>>58731560
Yep.
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CASIO QUARTZ IS ALL YOU NEED
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>>58733161
>Also MEMeS is about to sink the market

ftfy
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>>58731560
Yes sir
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>>58734220
>using memo as a meme-o
nice
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>>58731560
I'll get Casios again the day they start making those out of fucking steel and not painted resin. Black resin ones are still alright, everything else is just terrible, every scratch exposes the white resin underneath, it ages like shit, and it ends up looking like garfuckingbage.

Meanwhile the oldest, shittiest, scratchiest steel Casio makes my dick HARD. And a Seiko digital makes it so hard I can etch my name in diamond. Seriously they could even make some $300 Casio with a 18/10 stainless steel case and sapphire glass and I'd buy it.

But let's just stop with the painted resin bullshit, please.
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>>58734233
Whew lad
Divers are rarely under 41mm. That being said, since they have smaller dials, and sometimes short lugs, that means they can seem smaller than a 40mm dress watch...
The only option I know of would be the SKX013, and even that's probably over budget.

Or go vintage.
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>>58734671
Buy an old one then, they used to make some in steel.
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>>58734736
Yeah I know that. But finding an old one at a decent price is a headache, and I've long given up.
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This is getting pretty interesting.

>>58734064
>>MEMS is the heart of [snip]
>I know that, I work on accelerometers, and previously on EnOcean wireless switches. But all those things produce very basic structures, mostly beams and hairs. Gears and wheels are a whole other story that has been heralded since I started in 2006, and still isn't that much established, and their assembly even less.
I left the labs a bit before that but try to follow what is going on in the field. These things develop. Already wheels are made by RIE. Integration is hard today integrated bridges are already demonstrated.

>>True. And with large production volumes (say, ebauches) this is no problem.
>That's a whole other level. The closest thing we have to this kind of volume are companies like samsung, Qualcomm, Texas Instruments, ST Hynix, Infineon or Motorola. And only because their actual production costs are lowered by a huge variety of chips made for plenty different applications, and because the production processes remain quite repetitive and simple, easy to duplicate and iterate.
That is the natural way to progress.
>They are also the companies with the experience, I'm not seeing even the Swatch Group suddenly make its own cleanroom and make MEMS watches, though they are on the path to it with Sistem 51 and Powermatic movments, but even then they aren't anywhere near MEMS tech.
I do not expect the Swiss industry to embrace this except from oddities like Oechslin.

>>Perhaps. Still not a problem. ETA movements are relatively cheap compared to the finished watch. Also MEMS need no lubrication so the need for service will decrease dramatically.
>MEMS isn't magic, it needs lubrication, it ages, and it can break. Even now the accelerometer in your smartphone may have half of its hairs broken, but it still works because it has dozens. Making a MEMS watch would require a lot of redundancy to make it reliable.
The first transistors were so unreliable that nobody expected ICs to work.
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>just spent 8 hours looking through forums posts, online watch shops and watch blogs trying to find a perfect watch which 99.99% of the world does not give a flying fuck about or even notice

what am I doing with my life
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>>58734818
What are you after?
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>>58734846
an all-occasion beater watch probably something like the Bond sub watches only affordable to a college kid
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>call yourself watch enthusiasts
>don't even have horological sunnies

goml
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>>58734861
SKX007, literally a James Bond watch.
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>>58734861
>an all-occasion beater watch probably something like the Bond sub watches only affordable to a college kid
Well "affordable to a college kid" is codeword for ultra cheap in which case yeah you're not exactly going to get something higher end that's mechanical, but you can find plenty of quartz divers that are actually waterproof and reliable, daily beater watches.

If you got enough spare cash by working on weekends/spare time or something you could try for a used Tudor Pelagos, which is very "Bond-y" in my opinion and is markedly a non-shittr wristwatch.
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>>58734149
>>Sure. That is also like ETA movements. And Dubois add-ons. Basically you can make an industry out of this.
>Yet there isn't only ETA out there.
I know. That is why I wrote ETA movements in plural.
> If all movements were interchangeable, the whole thing would be more affordable. But it won't be, so it'll be expensive as fuck. And without standards, no shared costs, no hope of high volumes of production. So it remains it'll be an expensive product that will replace neither mechanics nor quartz.
MEMS movements will be small and thin. There will be ample opportunities for horologists to add on top of this as we se with ETA 2428 already. Or for companies like Dubois to make large volume add-ons.

>>Wrong, yo can disassemble in clean benches.
>I think you don't get it: the MEMS part of the movement would in fact be like a watch inside of the watch, that is a closed, waterproof, and dustproof container.
Not sure about that "watch inside a watch" but an ebauche with added mechanics inside a watch case is not new. Watertight is not new either.

>How do you get the little rotating pin out of there providing energy? Well there needs an axis coming out of it, like the crown of a watch, and that assembly must be as tight as possible so the air inside of the watch can't reach the MEMS assembly, and in turn, the watch must be perfectly water/dustproof.
How does this problem differ from that of divers today?

>Which is precisely the reason why MEMS is mostly hairs and beams used as electrical sensors and completely enclosed in resin, and not wheels and gears which have to be opened to the outside world, full of dust, debris and fucking acaria.
>>No.
>Well no.
Agree then?
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What are some nice watches that aren't too pricey/preferably on sale? I want a watch, and my girlfriend wants to get me a watch, so I'm wondering what you guys recommend. I'm looking for analog, something nice, not minimalistic but definitely not something crazy.

Also, is ordering online a decent idea or is going into a store the better option?
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>>58735514
Go to a store and try some watches on, get an idea for what you like in a watch.

Also, you've not told us how much you're willing to spend.

But otherwise, Orient's Mako II and Ray II are both very nice watches. Well finished and nicely designed.
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>>58734884

>goml

Get off my lawn
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>>58734220
Dude is that a seiko with the blue dial on a jubilee? I have that too its dope
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>>58733488
why do you hate the dubois add-on for chronographs?

is it wretched?
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>>58735984
Which model is this?
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>>58735984

nah, it's a casio mufucka
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>>58736008
No I don't hate it. I simply used it as an example of a well known add-on. The idea was that you could have one base movement and add on modules for whatever complications you wanted like day, date, moon phase, equation of time etc.
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>>58725275
I'll give you a real answer
http://replica-watch.info/

go to the forums and read up. don't let these faggots stop you from buying replicas, they're getting so good nowadays no one can tell real from fake anyways
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>my birthday yesterday
>wasn't expecting anything from my parents
>remember a few weeks ago I was watching apollo 13 with my dad, explained to him how the watch in the movie is the one I'm saving up for (speedy)
>comes to my birthday
>he comes over and gives me a package
>open it up
>it's a speedmaster pro replica
>immediately I realize it's a replica since for some reason it has an auto movement in it and the chrono timer just works like a regular seconds hand for some reason
>thank him a lot, tell him it's extremely thoughtful and that I love him
>we sit down and have a chat outside
>go inside to get something for us to drink
>he follows me in tears in his eyes, explains to me that it's a fake and that's all he could afford, wishes he could of got me the real thing but hes never been rich or anything like that
>told him it's fine and I still love it


Fuck that broke my heart seeing him like that. But also I'm not really a fan of replicas so I'm soso about it but it means a lot to me since it's from him.

Stilll saving for my real speedy though.
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>>58736604
should have gotten the superior moon watch
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>>58736443
>no one can tell real from fake anyways

except for you. you'll always know you're a fraud.
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>>58725275
NOOB FACTORY
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>>58736633
yea i'm a fraud who cares tho
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>>58736663
>yea i'm a fraud who cares tho

People who have a degree of integrity or at least shame?
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>>58736677
lol get a load of this faggot
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Are smartwatches ever going to stop sucking dicks?
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What sort of clock would you recommend for someone who wants a digital watch but doesn't want to reveal their 4chan power level?
I'm currently eyeing up a fake pulsar led on ebay.
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>>58736843
It looks like hipster shit to begin with, and buying fakes makes you a loser.
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Just got this little vintage automatic watch from a barely known German microbrand called Kröner, afaik it's a jeweller that built some watches in Hannover and his business is still around but he only sells jewellery nowadays.
Got it for just 27€ but the case seems to be chrome prates brass and it's a bit banged up but I polished the glas with some polywatch already. Do you guys like the style?
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>>58736889
The painted on numerals/indices look really poorly done but I like the vintage look it has going on.
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>>58736889
Here's a movement pic, it's a PUW 1360, manufactured in Pforzheim Germany in the 60s.
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>>58736604
Shit man your dad is an amazing person
Go tell him you love him
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>>58736604
now that's a DOGSHIT dad
better kys so he gets his dignity back
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>>58736843
G Gerlach kosmonaut if that's the style you want
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>>58736604
well he tried
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>>58736604
Almost made me shed a tear desu.

Mind posting a pic of that replica?
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>>58737040
Yeah thats actually pretty nice
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>>58736358
>>58735984
It's that pulsar fake-just I've been posting for a while
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Bought it when I was on holiday in Italy in summer
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>>58734671
>Seriously they could even make some $300 Casio with a 18/10 stainless steel case and sapphire glass and I'd buy it.
They do
GW5600. completely steel
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One of these watches will be strapped to you for the rest of your life, what do you pick?
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>>58737781
>Submariner

Asshole's watch. Explorer II or GMT and this decision would be more interesting.

>Seiko

Lol no. I don't want a jumbo gook pedophile dive watch.

>Omega Speedmaster Professional
MAN ON THE MOTHER FUCKING MOON
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>>58737781
Between those, the MM.
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>>58736926
>>58736889
can't go wrong for that price.
I'm not huge on the looks but it's not offensive by any means. The fact that it has an actual german movement is cool.
Nice pick up anon.
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Really want to buy Hamilton Khaki Aviation X-Win. Am I retarded?
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>>58737781
I wouldn't want any of those as my only watch... Can I choose something that's not a sport watch?
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>>58737781
>implying the MM won't be
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>>58737465
Steel covered in ugly plastic is not the same thing.
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>>58738040
You can slip off the covering.
It's rubber not resin on the GW5600 btw
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>>58736510
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>>58737781
MAN ON THE FUCKING MOON!
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>>58737852
>Submariner
>Clearly a Sea-Dweller
m8.
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>>58737781

Looks like i don't have a choice
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>>58727883
You're deluded
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>>58737781
sea dweller obviously
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>>58737986

Not bad. Valjoux 7750 movement with a couple of modifications to increase power reserve and add cosmetic touches. Finishing and dial quality are very good (on mine anyway)
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>>58737983
Thanks anon. On leather it looks kind of cute don't you think?
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>>58738621
Forgot pic
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>>58738638
you look kinda cute :3
i think the military style straps suit it better, it has kind of a field watch look to it. so that green nato or a brown pilot style leather strap could be good
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>>58738064
Yeah and it looks like shit underneath. No thanks.
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>>58738801
Like the brown pilot strap idea, thx anon:3
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>>58736889
>>58736926
>>58738638
>not pin-pallet
You did VERY good anon, I'm genuine jelly. A major pitfall about these old European military-style watches is that a lot of times they were garbage of their time and came with a shitty pin-pallet movement.
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Thoughts on this watch for an upgrade to the Casio F91-W?
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>>58736604
>expecting parents to gift a 4k watch

lmao get the fuck out of here, and your dad's a bitch for crying about it. a real dad would have laughed and said go get a job then you can buy one for yourself.
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>>58736510
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>>58736604
>thank him a lot, tell him it's extremely thoughtful and that I love him
You did the right thing.

Ten years down the road, when you buy the genuine thing you will think of him.
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>>58739055
Read the second line again
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Aside from the date, which watch will tell me the weeknumber and look acceptable in an office-environment? Digital or analog I don't really care. Been on the lookout for some, but they either look like dogshit or the weeknumber is unreadable.
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>>58738985
Sorry for my ignorance but what's a pin palet movement and what's so bad about them?
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>>58739275
basically the cheapest, most shit tier watch movement you can find. absolutely terrible to repair.
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>>58739275
Pin-pallet (or Roskopf for Yuropoors) escapements were cheaper, simplified alternatives to the common Swiss lever escapement, generally in dogshit Swiss watches. These were essentially the pre-quartz equivalent of today's $5 chinkshits.

It used lever pins instead of pallet jewels, and the escape wheel was simplified. It had high friction, and the movement usually had no jewels. There are however some fully-jeweled (15-17J), decent quality pin-pallet movements, like what BFG made, the reason being that Swiss law dictated that a manufacturer either made Swiss lever or pin-pallet movements, but not both, so a lot of manufacturers said fuck it and tried to make the best pin-pallet movements technology allowed.
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>>58739243
My impression from what I have seen is that you have to look at German brands. Sinn 6052 has it, pic. related.

Some have fixed month/week rim but that cannot take week number star into account. Some years have 53 weeks.
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>>58739007
bump :)
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>>58739007
Crowded noisy face
No crown guard
No tritium (that I can see, probably well lumed which is a plus)
No lume of seconds hand
The date window clashes with the rest of the verbosity of that misshapen face
And there is no day or month window

Also, how can you have a Flight watch without a Venus indicator!???
https://www.cnet.com/news/pilot-mistakes-venus-for-plane-sends-own-plane-into-dive/
This has happened a few times to air force pilots too, all of which are grateful they can pull out that SECRET stamp.
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>>58732076
sup PADIbro
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>>58737781
Replace the lolex with a Sinn 903/fortis, and the MM300 with a Pelagos and you have a perfect collection
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>>58740037
Any suggestions for a better watch in the same price range?
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>>58740090
What size is your wrist?
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im suprised there isnt more digital watch appreciation here.

>more rugged by design
(solid state memory, no moving mechanical parts, immune to vibration, less dense for thicker shells

>more versatile utility
-night view (red to maintain low light vision)
-alarms (vibration for stealth)
-easier to ready in a hostile situation
-calendars
-timers
-tighter fight and adjustable
-non reflectant generally for stealth
-smaller screens allow for more dense and tough materials for the price (artificial saphire ect)

-aethetics
-sleek
-modern
-functional
-techy

Digital watches are the thinkpads of watches!

while the old mechs do look classy, unless im dressed fancy id rather wear digital.

/wt/digi/ when?
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> You will never have a watch with an EXCLUSIVE AND PATENTED SYSTEM
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>>58736633
except if you buy so many gens you have to pass them off as fakes to your family, then you'd be more honest getting reps.
Or when you live in a shady country and send in your gens for service, receive them back and then obsess about parts being switched out for replica, this happens, and is a good reason to just go rep to begin with.
Just buy from trusted dealers and know what you'll get.
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>>58727883
The fuck is that thing?
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>>58741039
I'm guessing it's a Casio MW240
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>>58740817
>the heart in the circuitboard

this is the best picture i have to post
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Fuck me does this look under the dial to anyone else ? Right beside the date on the bottom left. White speck.


Also to the guy who always shits on my posts this is good material for you
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>>58740781
>immune to vibration
Lol
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>>58740781
Autistic fuck
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>>58740304
bump
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Anyone know a good place to preorder the new samurai reissue?
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>>58741084
it's there alright

but whether it's under the dial i can't tell
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>>58741084
Guess it's a good thing you didn't get an inert gas filled one then
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>>58741471
I can't tell if it's the reflective coating nicked or not
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she is so perfect

the newer explorer's numerals are pretty ugly now that i look at this more closely
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>>58741870
Why not a Datejust? I know it's still a Rolex but it's very plain.
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been monitoring my recent used purchase, sinn 556 which has a top grade 2824-2

it loses 2 to 3 seconds a day which is nice and accurate but i thought watches with that movement usually gain time? is it normal
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>>58742046
Does it lose time if you just leave it dial up? You could get it regulated if you're really anal about it, but I wouldn't worry too hard.
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>>58740487
17 cm.
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Do you like my watch
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>>58738413
>buying a 2000 dollar watch doesn't involve some delusion.
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>>58742540
It looks gay, faggot.
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>>58742540
Is that young thug
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>>58742046
my 2824 loses time
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>>58743238
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>>58734220
>>58733256
>$2,000 for that snowflake quality quartz when a $10 Casio does the same thing.

Can it? Are you sure?
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>>58740781

Why are you trying to be so stealthy anon
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>>58741084

>Sinn
>Quality
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>>58737781
Don't want to manual wind forever
MM is too thick and big for everyday

Obvious choice is the subbie, no ceramic of course. Fine choice of watches as a collection though.

I have a new grand seiko coming in the mail soon and the omega seamaster is gone. CANT WAIT
>>
Whatvis the casio that bin laden had on in that pic? I need a smaller watch.
>>
>>58743934
>no Patek
You pleb, or what?
>>
>>58723904

>wears broken commie shit
>too feminized to grow arm hair

That's about right.
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So we all agreed on this chart being The Guide to watches.

And now most of you have resorted to negroid-tier filth.

What the fuck is this shit? SINN? SEIKO? CITIZEN? CASIO? HAMILTON!?
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>>58745747
this chart is garbage, obviously
>>
>>58740304
It's a pretty good watch, that anon is autistic
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>>58733346
Anybody?

Isn't there a website with all of this stuff?

Also, here is the latest (?) version of the Poorfag watch guide, taken from the wiki.
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>>58742540
Does that have a cyclops with no date window?
>>
How much were mechanical watches before the quartz revolution? As expensive as today?
>>
>>58746625
As with anything, it depends. Rolexes weren't nearly as overpriced as they are now, at least.

Fun fact: the seiko astron was 450k yen when it was released, which was about the cost of a new corolla.
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>>58746092
I don't know shit about watches, and I want peoples thoughts on that "casio wave ceptor"
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>>58736700
No.
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>>58746625
The whole thing went upmarket to survive the quartz crisis.
Everyone could afford a mechanical watch, and most people couldn't afford the expensive ones... So just like today. The brands have changed, but you can still get a brand new mechanical for $35. And it won't be very well made.
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>>58739007
The Orient Flight is a really nice flieger
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>>58740908
>except if you buy so many gens you have to pass them off as fakes to your family
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What are some cheap hi beat alternatives?

I've got a need for speed
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>>58747317
Vintage Seiko
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Opinion on the Junghans Max Bill Automatic?
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>>58747353
And beats by dre sell more than any actually good headphone out there. Plebs walk among us m8.
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>>58747407
Get vintage pieces, research around to sort the wheat from the chaff, etc. At least here people (mostly) see through the dogshit.
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>>58747335
Go Nomos or go home
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>>58747562
I like the looks of the Junghans better.
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>>58747335
it feels really light and cheap in person. mineral crystal isn't good at the price point either. buy it if you want to have a max bill bauhaus wank since its the only watch faithful to that design house
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>>58745833
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What watch shows that you have money, but your not a dick about it?
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Are Mondaine watches any good or are they mundane?
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>>58748352
Omega Speedmaster MOTFM

>>58748394
>or are they mundane
this
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>>58748426
dang, i just really like their helvetica bold watches.
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>>58747335
Only acceptable Junghans.
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>>58748677
The chrono is thick as hell
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>>58748352
White gold Patek Calatrava.
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So I'm looking to get a watch and my only need is it for to be accurate. Very accurate. Down to the second if possible. I also don't want to be adjusting it every other day.

Ideas ?
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>>58748886
Quartz
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>>58748886
Quartz or COSC
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>>58748886
gps / radio controlled casio, gshock or citizen
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>>58748886
Radio controlled/atomic G-Shock. It will set itself every morning off of the nearest atomic clock. I use mine set set all of my other watches and satisfy my autism
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>>58748971
>>58748936
Alright looks like radio controlled is the way to go thanks. Why not accutron? That's what my basic Internet searches said
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>>58748886
What the others said, radio or GPS. Another alternative is smartwatches, since I'm pretty sure they're NTP-synced.

>>58749021
Accutron is not synchronized.
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>>58749034
That is a fantastic watch my goodness it looks good.

How is the Oceanus? I see some recommendations for that online
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>>58748886
Citizen Satellite Wave Air
It will sync itself every day with a satellite signal to ensure maximum accurancy, wich means it'll work even if it's not in range of a radio signal area unlike the G-Shock. >>58748971
Lawyer has one.
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>>58749081
I'm in Canada (southern Ontario) will the radio signal hit me?

>>58748971
>>58748936
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>>58749087
Satellite signal will hit you everywhere. Radio signals doesn't reach all places in the world.
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>>58749087
According to Casio website, chances are you might no be covered by radio signals. Pic related.
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>>58749139
Fuck
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>>58749200
Better get the Citizen
I think there are newer, cheaper Satellite Wave models now

>Citizen superior again
>/wt/ triggered
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>>58749200
You could always get one and return it if it doesn't get a signal. It's not like you're at the north pole.

>tfw 10 miles away from the clock in boulder
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>>58748886
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>>58749079
They're great. Get an ocw-s100.
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>>58740304
No idea, not sure about the price range of the one you referred to originally.

German brands tend to be tidy and less crowded.
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